technology

[fast ether]

thanks

[prime jasper]

np

[short crypt]

just got my new Q9FN 65"

its hella cool 😄

[red ingot]

TV?

[crude ether]

it not hard to make the point of how mest up bomber are

and they spent a bunch time telling us theyd fix them

and did they really do anything to how easymode they are

[red ingot]

Ur in #technology sir

[crude ether]

thats what we wanted fixd not bomb size

fol

[red ingot]

Although I guess bombers are tech 🤷

[steep gust]

@latent light free sync is free and software

Gsync is a module that cost like $200

Gsync with HDR support is like $500

@latent light GDDR5 is old, which helps with the price

GDDR5X does cost more, but it's just a revision

GDDR6 is new tech produced on new production nodes (IIRC) which doesn't help prices

Like Samsung's top of the line DDR5 will cost a fortune when it comes out

Since it will most likely being on their 7nm EUV node that is new tech

[prime jasper]

kool

we need a low end ryzen cpu that supports ddr3 ram

[red ingot]

Why

[prime jasper]

cuz ddr3 is cheaper and better for budget builds

[steep gust]

uh

ddr3 is only cheap

because its old

and there is a lot of it

[red ingot]

Ddr4 isnt even that expensive...

[steep gust]

Also ECC DDR3 is cheap, high end DDR3 kits compete with DDR4

[red ingot]

Literally my ram was probably the cheapest part of my build

Aside from maybe case or hard drive

[steep gust]

I bought a decent 16GB kit for $140

[red ingot]

Yeah

[steep gust]

and you don't need RGB

or binned RAM

[red ingot]

I got a decent 16gb kit for $180 (CAD)

And that was RGB

[steep gust]

3000mhz CL16 is like $100 for 2x8

[red ingot]

Tbh the non rgb was only $20 cheaper

So meh

I spent the $20 for rgb but if u wanna really be frugal then yeah no rgb

[steep gust]

Oh

and DDR3 will kill the IMC in Rzyen CPUs

given enough time

[red ingot]

IMc?

[steep gust]

integrated memory controller

[prime jasper]

oof

[steep gust]

DDR3 runs at much higher voltages than DDR4

[red ingot]

Ah

[prime jasper]

i said they should make

[red ingot]

No u

[prime jasper]

not use

[steep gust]

nah

[red ingot]

Um

[steep gust]

no reason to go backwards

[red ingot]

Why would u make it but not use it

[prime jasper]

oof

[red ingot]

for the lulz

[prime jasper]

im saying to make a ryzen cpu that supports ddr3 not use an existing ryzen 3 or somthin

[red ingot]

Idk, seems like a waste of $$

Like what market are u trying to appeal to

🤷

[prime jasper]

i have a "lazer" office mouse lmao

when did logitech make theese?

oh btw its wireless

[red ingot]

https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/zmd9a5/tim-cook-to-investors-people-bought-fewer-new-iphones-because-they-repaired-their-old-ones

[prime jasper]

lol

the reciver is fat like a usb drive

we need an nvme ssd raid

[steep gust]

or not?

NVMe never gets used by a consumer

Unless you really love transferring 10GB+ files

[prime jasper]

on servers lol

i dont think theres a motherboard with 20 slots

[steep gust]

PCIe adapters

You got CPUs with 64 lanes

which means you could do like 12+ NVMe drives

[prime jasper]

lol

how about an usb raid

some one told me that he wants 1tb phones

[steep gust]

You can already do that

512GB internal storage + 512GB micro SSD

[storm osprey]

who needs that?

[prime jasper]

ye but wtf would u store

[storm osprey]

the only thing i can think of is an audiophile that wants to store flacless audio on his phone

[molten coral]

@prime jasper spicy memes.

[prime jasper]

he says bc his 8gb phone cant store gameloft games

[molten coral]

I've around 310GB of storage

On my note 8

[prime jasper]

id say 32 is god for phones

64 maybe

128 if ur gana take hella pictures

[molten coral]

32 is pretty low tbh

I think 64 is the sweetspot

[prime jasper]

for a phone idek

[molten coral]

I only have so much storage because I still had a 256GB card laying around.

[prime jasper]

u dont store much on a phone

plus apps are a couple mega bytes

[molten coral]

I don't play games on my phone.

[storm osprey]

i have 16gb

[prime jasper]

i just have only 1 game and my pictures its only 1.6 gb

[storm osprey]

i have a few albums stored on spotify that uses my storage, i think i have 8gb left

[prime jasper]

oof

[storm osprey]

i have like 2 games downloaded, and maybe 5 downloaded aps

[molten coral]

I've downloaded almost my whole spotify playlist it has 400+ songs

[storm osprey]

yea i dont travel enough to dl that many songs

and thankfully, the places i have gone get service for a long time

[prime jasper]

ima go rn

il be back

[storm osprey]

dont die

[prime jasper]

oh shet fbi is here

jk

[steep gust]

I have a like

8GB micro ssd card with 800 or so songs on it from spotfiy

songs don't take a lot of storage

[storm osprey]

depends on dl quality

[red ingot]

really?

do u just dl them all in low quality

on high quality songs take up a fuckload of space

i remember a couple hundred songs on high quality took up like ~10gb no problem

that's why i just stream em now and say fuck it to downloading

[storm osprey]

yea i think i have a hundred or 2 hundred songs dled and it took like 6 gb

[red ingot]

on wifi 99% of the itme anyways

yeah

cause i mean why tf dl in low quality

screw that

[storm osprey]

yea spotify says im using 4gb for music

my dl quality is very high

i would say i have somewhere between 100 and 200 songs

cant find a dl song list

[lofty light]

I normally grab mine in low quality as I save a LOT of music on my phone, go to the country often and don't have coverage

[long sphinx]

hey guys anyone here with bf1 installed?

[steep gust]

Why?

[long sphinx]

its taking 104gb of my disk atm

it should be around 80 right?

[steep gust]

DLC

[long sphinx]

can you check your client size real quick?

nah i clicked repair yesterday and partition got full

and stopped at 25%

broken feature imagine my shock

[steep gust]

I uninstalled it recently but its around 80GB with just the game

and more with DLC

81.42GB for just the game

[long sphinx]

i think thats the entire game

[steep gust]

I doubt it

[long sphinx]

at least most in forums say that

[sonic osprey]

Mp3 potato quality about 3-6mb per song, good quality 80-100mb

[storm osprey]

i just do high quality

[storm osprey]

does anyone have PBT keycaps

[obtuse kettle]

hmm, i've bound my Yaw Left and Yaw Right to my mouse for the pilot settings in BFV. But when I go left with my mouse, my plane goes right and if I go right with my mouse, my plane goes left. anyone know how to fix it?

[storm osprey]

is there invert options?

[obtuse kettle]

not that I know of, there is one to invert the pitch but turning that off doesn't seem to work

[obtuse kettle]

it seems to be happening with roll too. (when i tried to bind it to that) but rest of my game input isn't reversed

only with planes.

[storm osprey]

there might be a place to change JUST plane settings

[whole birch]

i guess the question belongs here) guys, i'm crying, tears of happiness 😄 i bought and i7-3770 IvyBridge, a fckn MSI mobo with old bios, scared the shit of me when upgrading bios, 😄 installed it and i have good performance on 64 players server, operations, conquest, so, now when i'm shooting with Automatico or a LMG i have trrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr not trrr..rrrr.....rr...rrr.r...rrrrr 😄 in video settings i set the framerate of monitor, so i constantly have 60 fps, it means my monitor support only to 60 fps?

[obtuse kettle]

oh huh.. after trying to change the input multiple times it fixed it self. i guess it's just a bug that i was experiencing! ;D

[molten bramble]

@whole birch I had a similar issue, I had to unlock v-sync and run in borderless. It was grayed out for me at first, but I kept playing with settings, and it unlocked.

[steep gust]

disable vsync, while you monitor is only 60hz there is no reason to cap it

[molten bramble]

Congrats on the upgrade, hope you're as happy with it as I was mine recently.

[whole birch]

vsync is disabled, well, i don't mind, it's working cool, tomorrow will arrive my 260Gigs SSD and then i will catch the begin of the round :D
@molten bramble thank you, i'm not a fan to upgrade the pc, but played a lot of BF3/BF4/BF1, now i'm happy like a little kid, i played good on very low settings, now i play extra-good 😄

[molten bramble]

Haha, I get ya

[lime pollen]

I might redo my build for 2019

into an AMD one

any suggestions?

[steep gust]

Wait till next week?

[lime pollen]

true

🐍

[steep gust]

While Intel is suppose to have 10nm out in 2019

Its also Intel

[lime pollen]

mm mm

[steep gust]

10nm was suppose to be out in like 2015

So would not wait out for that one

[lime pollen]

[storm osprey]

yea just wait

i might upgrade my front room pc

[lime pollen]

yeah I just wanna see what I can build

was rebuilding my pc from my current

[steep gust]

AMD has their keynote next Wednesday

[lime pollen]

since my mobo is faulty

only thing I was gonna use from current build was my 1070

but uh

would've liked to upgrade it

and since the Navi is gonna be announced soon

was amped

[storm osprey]

yea just wait, amd is expected to drop their next cpus, and hopefully their next gpus

im stoked

[steep gust]

Navi is more mid range

So it should beat out 1070s easily

but AMD GPUs don't have the best performance records

[lime pollen]

yeah

I'm still a bit skeptical

[storm osprey]

isnt the 3070 supposed to be better than 1080?

[lime pollen]

since >AMD gpus

3070?

oh the navi

yeah hopefully

[storm osprey]

early leaks suggested they were gonna call their new gpus rx 3070, as a kind of "one up" on the rtx 2070 line

and it would match their 3xxx naming convention for their cpus

but, who knows

[lime pollen]

mm mm

well

I'd totally go amd if they can prove performance superiority over ngreedia

and intel

[storm osprey]

no ray tracing planed for amd

[lime pollen]

who cares lmao

[storm osprey]

exactly

[lime pollen]

it's not optimized anyways

mean of 48% performance impact

[storm osprey]

for 300-350 youll get 2070 performance...

[lime pollen]

mhm

[storm osprey]

IF these leaks are true

[lime pollen]

I think I saw a leak saying they'll be 250-300$

which would really be lit

[storm osprey]

if they are, its expected nvidia will release gtx 2070's without ray tracing and match their performanec and price

will be interesting to see how 7nm pans for efficiency

[lime pollen]

mhm

[steep gust]

Nvidia won't do shit to pricing

People bought into the RTX hype

hard

[storm osprey]

i think they would if amd starts taking sales

[lime pollen]

well

their stock has taken serious impact

[storm osprey]

like i said, drop ray tracing, calling it gtx 2070, and sell around the same price and they will be fine

[lime pollen]

the market for the crypto hype is dying out

also

[steep gust]

All tech companies have took a hit

[lime pollen]

were they 50% hits?

[steep gust]

Nvidia took a huge hit because they fucked up their quarterly aimings

When you expect to make way more money than you do

Then you deserve the fallout

[lime pollen]

lmao

also

rumors for the next gtx series is 11xx

1160 and whatever

[steep gust]

Rumors mean nothing

[storm osprey]

they deserve fallout from not giving normal gaming benchmarks and stopping others with an NDA

[steep gust]

Remember that Turing was suppose to be Volta

and suppose to be out in April

and suppose to be cheaper with way better performance

[storm osprey]

right forgot about 11xx

[steep gust]

Every company does the whole shady benchmarks + NDA before launch

[storm osprey]

not the same with rtx

[steep gust]

"X% better performance than last generation"

In benchmarks that made to run on the next generation leagues better than last

[storm osprey]

its like earlier, everyone took a hit with stock, but its not the same hit

[steep gust]

Its not unique

Other companies have mis judged the market

[storm osprey]

no the practice isnt new, but the degree and price gauging is

[steep gust]

and ate the bullet when they planned for much more demand

Also no, the no competition = insane prices is not unique

Intel did it for years

Nvidia did it for years before

Hell people bitch about the RTX Titan

But they were not around for the Titan Z

Nvidia doesn't advertise the RTX Titan as the ultimate gaming card, but pull up the once $3000 Titan Z's webpage

[prime jasper]

rt 2030 lol

0 times better then the gt 1030 but you guys buy everything

i phone xs max just a bigger screen but u guys buy anything

[lime pollen]

?

[prime jasper]

im making fun at companies that realeases the same shit but more expinsive and everyone buys it

[lime pollen]

no

[sonic osprey]

whats so funny about that

[prime jasper]

ik they arnt the same

[sonic osprey]

its the consumers who buy that are at fault :D

[lime pollen]

people who are clueless buy stuff like that

[sonic osprey]

nah, people who have money

[steep gust]

The 1030 existed for a reason

[sonic osprey]

its like you dont wanna drive around in ford ka if you can buy lamborghini

but for some people its the option that they will have to take if they want a car or a "modern" gpu

[prime jasper]

gtg gn

[storm osprey]

GOODNIGHT

[prime jasper]

[storm osprey]

perfect

[steep gust]

nah

RTX Titan

or Titan V

[lime pollen]

lmao

[steep gust]

Money = performance

duh

[lime pollen]

buying a 2080 ti

[latent light]

buying RTX

[steep gust]

I know someone who has two

The 4k 120hz HDR monitor

A 7980XE, a 9900k, a 8086k, a 7700k, 1950x, and more

but he also likes to buy a bunch of hardware so

Kinda jealous of his planned chiller loop to run daily XOC (and his 9900k at well above safe voltages so rip it in 5 months)

[latent light]

Lenovo accidently confirmed the GTX 1160

[storm osprey]

link?1

[latent light]

https://youtu.be/qncSeyXnPqc?t=852

timestamped it

14:12

[storm osprey]

good ol lenovo

[steep gust]

its just a 2060

without the RT / tensor cores

aka how nividia is gonna do max-q GPUs

Since the RT cores can randomly pull a ton of power and probably get pretty warm

[spiral cosmos]

been having mad packet loss for days idk if anyone else is experiancing this

[latent light]

RT cores sit idle when you don't have Ray-Tracing or DLSS enabled

RTX 2060 uses TU106 architecture

GTX 1160 uses TU116

[steep gust]

That means literally nothing

and when you enable 'ray-tracing' they become really fun

Most likely TU116 is just TU106 with the RT / tensor cores lasered off to be smaller

Also helps with the yields

[keen forge]

I don’t know if I already said this but it needs to be known - I have a friend with an i9 9800x or whatever it is and a 1080ti who only plays Minecraft, EU4 and a tiny amount of Rome 2

[steep gust]

People use their money how they want to

[latent light]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMY-EEFkGVk

why does Z390 exist

[steep gust]

$$$

and to force manufactures to update VRMs

[latent light]

Z370 and Z390 have the same amount of pins but I think each pin on Z390 can handle a little more amperage than a Z370

[steep gust]

Z390 is just USB 3.1

and integrated wifi

but some companies took Z270 boards and stuck Z370 in it

So the VRMs can be lackluster

[latent light]

lmao they just took out the Z270 socket and put a Z370 socket in

[steep gust]

and chipset

[red ingot]

What's the tldr of the video

I don't wanna watch 17m and like regular YouTube descriptions it doesnt give u an actual description

[latent light]

der8auer said Z390 is not good to buy if you already have Z370

they are basically the same

[red ingot]

Ah

[steep gust]

no

der8auer said Intel didn't need to change the socket from Z270-Z370 (by adding more ground and power pins)

He proved this by taping a bunch of pins up (and more than Z270) to prove they weren't harming his 9900k

Also tested a pin to see how many amps it could do

[rose eagle]

All a ploy to make motherboard manufacturers happy since nothing has changed in Intel CPUs in 6 fkin years

I mean.. if I could have dropped an 8700k in my old 3770k board I even would have

[steep gust]

You can stick an 8700k in a Z170 board

with a basic cover a few pins with tape

and bios mod

thing is

Memory demands a lot of pins

So DDR3 -> DDR4 meant more pins

and quad channel means more pins

[rose eagle]

Yeah my Asus z390 defaulted my 3000 ram to 2166 and it was like a 20% perf hit in BF

[minor turret]

There are so many people running 2133 and want to upgrade their entire rig because their cpu lags

[steep gust]

Uh yeah the default settings are 2133mhz

So if you failed to boot for some reason it'll go to 2133mhz

[rose eagle]

scary how many people out there might not know to use the XMP profile for their ram

[latent light]

what about the people who buy single channel memory

[red ingot]

[mental hatch]

imagine not eating ram

IN CURRENT YEAR

[red ingot]

not eating ram

u mean not downloading more ram?

https://downloadmoreram.com/

[ocean valve]

that website is awesome. That's where I go if I need a quick 8gb ram for something

[minor turret]

my i5-8400 gtx 1070 is getting 20-40 fps in battlefield

time to upgrade my pc

singlechannel 2133 cl 20 ram

[rose eagle]

lol it shouldnt be that bad 1080p

reformat!

[latent light]

@minor turret dual channel memory is important for BFV

[minor turret]

i am parodying the average bot saying he gets bad fps with decent rig

if a 2500k gets better fps than you get with DDR4 rig then something is wrong

[latent light]

I have a ryzen 5 1600, 16gb 3000 mhz dual channel ram and a RX 580, I get 85-90 fps average on ultra with occasional dips to 70-75

on medium settings I get around 120-130 fps lol

@minor turret are you getting 20-40 fps constantly or is it dipping to that low

[minor turret]

@latent light i am making fun of people struggling with bad ram complaining over bad fps

unable to enable xmp

i am running fine at 180 with dips to 130 with gtx 1070/2600/3533 ram

[sonic osprey]

max fps means nothing, always consider the low fps

because when you are on the low fps is when things matter most usually

[latent light]

oh lmao

[queen field]

Max and low fps means nothing, always aim for consistency

Praise straight lines on my frametimes graph

[sonic osprey]

well low fps @ 200 is pretty straight in bf v

[latent light]

frametimes > fps

sucks when you get a consistent frametime of 7 ms then it suddenly gets a 30ms spike

30ms isn't a big deal but it's noticeable

[vestal ferry]

guys i have a problem

my gpu usage is like 0.1-0.5% in every battlefield game

i've formatted my pc, reinstalled the games, repaired, nothing seems to work

my specs are an i5 6600k and a GTX 1070 SC

getting on high graphics/medium around 60-50fps

rarely above 70s

[sonic osprey]

try plugging your dp/hdmi in the graphics card instead motherboard I/O?

[vestal ferry]

it is? duuh im not that stupid

[icy mist]

Hi

[latent light]

0.5% usage but at 50-60 fps?

wtf

[icy mist]

I want to buy another 8 gb of ram. Currently I have only 8 GB. This is the model I have. CMK8GX4M1A2666C16
And I want to buy this one. CMK8GX4M1A2400C14R
Will there any performance issues?

[latent light]

possibly

having the same model and same speed of ram is optimal

since you currently have 2666 MHz, look for another Corsair Vengeance LPX rated at the same speed

[icy mist]

They aren't available anymore in my country. Also they are %40 expensive than the model I want to buy due to low amount of stock.

What about buying 4 gb with 2666 mhz? Will that work with 8 gb ram?

[latent light]

no lol

has to be the same capacity for dual channel to work

[icy mist]

Ok. Thank you very much.

My cpu temp change between 65-75° during gameplay. Is it normal or should I change my stock cooler with a better one? I have i5-7600.

[sonic osprey]

65-75 is quite fine on stock cooler

https://gyazo.com/21e8b5e38b8b84a14836c05dd3e2e124 this is my worklaptop temp maxes when im running parallel builds of c++ and C# code for 30minutes :D

[icy mist]

Wow 96°. I guess your cpu support upto 135°?

[latent light]

105 probably

[sonic osprey]

i7 4900MQ

shitty old dell workstation laptop, should get a new one already

Max. Temperature 100 °C

but really gaming and compiling code in parallel or running avx ops are not comparable

[quaint topaz]

I just downloaded the pictures I took from the NVIDIA event from gamescom

expect to see some really nice builds

it just works @winged tapir

[winged tapir]

oof

was so sexy

[quaint topaz]

This phone is actually pretty solid. While I don't really like anything that is "GAMING" branded, i played with this for a good 5 minutes and i liked the phone

[molten coral]

The event was pretty fun especially the after party with all the food

[floral pilot]

hey guys

so my bfv wont go over 50% gpu load

i got an i5 8600k gtx 1080 16gb of ram

[prime jasper]

what are u using to play?

[floral pilot]

im on pc, and i play in full screen

[prime jasper]

cuz it happened to me on playstation 4

but after that it loaded

how long have u waited?

[floral pilot]

no no, its how much gpu it tames

takes

nothing with loading time

[prime jasper]

oh

[floral pilot]

someone ping me when they can help

[lofty light]

@floral pilot what's your CPU usage

I wouldn't think an 8600K would be that big a bottleneck but quite possibly with a GTX1080 on 1080p

Also what's your frames

[floral pilot]

100

And 60-90

Mostly 90fps

[lofty light]

Ah, so it's definitely a CPU bottleneck then

The lower your resolution the less the GPU will be used but the CPU will always be hammered

The only real way to get more frames there would be to overclock your CPU I think

That or upgrade

[sonic osprey]

well, you should be able to get more fps from i5-8600k according to tests made in https://gamegpu.com/action-/-fps-/-tps/battlefield-v-test-gpu-cpu-2018

8600k+2080ti gives 122fps min and 150fps max, on dx11 ultra

[keen forge]

I read your GPU as 1060 and was wondering how people were saying there was a bottleneck

[lofty light]

1080 on 1080 will basically always be a bottleneck

Unless you're playing ARK

[minor turret]

Most likely another case of dogshit ram

[sonic osprey]

or broken or malfunctioning cpu fan, and cpu is throttling the clocks, but still running at 100% load

[steep gust]

I get like

100-140fps in BFV maxed

on an 8600k / 1080

1080p is a hardcore bottleneck for a 2080ti

[sonic osprey]

my point on 2080ti fps was that 8600k is not bottlenecked by the 1080, the cpu should be able to do more than 100fps

[steep gust]

My 1080 is bottlenecked by my 8600k @5.0ghz in BFV

I sit at 100% CPU usage generally

[minor turret]

i swear to god this game uses all 12 threads of my cpu and hits it hard

like its getting close to prime 95 temps

[steep gust]

Game isn't built in AVX only instructions so it won't near P95 SFFT

[minor turret]

that matters for intel not so much for amd

[steep gust]

and depending on your settings its built for 6-8C CPUs

AMD has AVX

[minor turret]

which doesnt run nearly as hot as intel because it doesnt use 512

or whatever its called

[steep gust]

uh

No consumer CPU supports AVX-512

[minor turret]

i dont remember the name but amd clearly lacks the instruction intel has and as such doesnt cause as much heat as intel

amd is apparantly adding it to next gen ryzen

[steep gust]

AMD can use whatever instruction sets from Intel it wants

Due to patent agreements

Zen+ draws a lot less power than Coffeelake (aka Kabylake 2.0) and has a much better solder job

[minor turret]

just googled it, intel has 256 bit wide execution units vs amd that splits into two 128 bit operations

which effectively means ryzen today does not need seperate avx offsets etc

and heat is not necessarily that different on synthetic benches

[vale trellis]

Hey, I can Play BF5 on High ( 50-70 FPS)
But if i play the Campaign, i have HEAVY laggs and the cutscenes are laggy af what can i do?

[latent light]

the cutscenes are laggy for everyone

[mental hatch]

^

[latent light]

but you can try a file repair

[vale trellis]

okay, how? xD

[latent light]

Go to Origin and view your games library. Right click over Battlefield V and select repair

[vale trellis]

alright thanks :)

[latent light]

yw

[prime jasper]

cool trusted user

never gonna get that

[storm osprey]

?

dice doesnt give trusted

[prime jasper]

yeah i know i just found that reaction

[storm osprey]

[latent light]

[red ingot]

[storm osprey]

[red ingot]

[storm osprey]

[latent light]

[molten coral]

[latent light]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M2LOMTpCtLA

[storm osprey]

YOU RUINED IT

[latent light]

[storm osprey]

[latent light]

Windows holds back the 2990WX and Epyc CPUs performance

[storm osprey]

epyc isnt out tho

[latent light]

the Epyc 7551

[storm osprey]

ahh gotcha

[latent light]

AMD was first to GHz clock speeds, integrated memory controllers, Gigaflop stream processors and chiplets

[steep gust]

Windows already harms 12t+ CPUs

Some games get better performance by disabling SMT

Since Windows won't bounce the game around threads

[latent light]

is it pointless to disable SMT on 8 core CPUs?

I was going to get an 8 core 3rd gen Ryzen CPU and disable SMT since I won't be needing all of those extra threads

and will enable them in the future if games fully utilize 8-cores in the near future

idk, I could skip this new generation for Zen 3 in 2020 for possible DDR5 memory which will definitely increase Ryzen performance dramatically

[steep gust]

Less power draw

More overclocking headroom

Less heat

If you don't need the extra threads then disable SMT honestly

[latent light]

you think DDR5 will be available in 2020

[steep gust]

It will be expensive if it is

[latent light]

lol

[steep gust]

and it won't be on consumer hardware

[mental hatch]

but will it taste better then 4 🤔

[latent light]

DDR5 rumored to default at 5200 MHz speed

but I think it will be somewhere around 4000 default

DDR4 is 2133 at default

I think DDR3 starts at 800

[steep gust]

5200mhz is the spec IIRC

You can pay $80 for the entire sheet from JEDEC

[storm osprey]

wtf ddr5 is supposed to come out this year?

[steep gust]

The new DDR5 chip from SK Hynix supports a 5200 MT/sec/pin data transfer rate, which is 60% faster than the 3200 MT/s rate officially supported by DDR4. Meanwhile the DRAM operates at 1.1 Volts, a 9% decrease in operating voltage.

No?

The spec has been around since like 2014

[storm osprey]

_Release date: 2019 estimated_
Predecessor: DDR4 SDRAM```

[steep gust]

https://www.techquila.co.in/sk-hynix-develops-first-16-gb-ddr5-5200-memory-chip/

2020 at best

That stick alone is most likely hundreds of thousands of dollars

[last copper]

^

ouch my silicone

[steep gust]

Since I don't want to know the amount of effort required to get that kind of bandwidth across the same pins

[storm osprey]

tbf estimated release date doesnt mean consumer

[steep gust]

it'll be on server CPUs first

Just like PCIe 4.0

Companies can afford to front that cost for performance

[latent light]

DDR4 first came out for servers didn't it

[steep gust]

Probably

[latent light]

I remember people claiming that the 6700K would destroy the 4790K because of DDR4

[storm osprey]

[latent light]

even though it only supported up to 2400 MHz with anything higher being an overclock

[steep gust]

uh yeah the first of any will not be as good

The first CPUs to support DDR5 won't be taking advantage of it

Most Intel CPUs can do 4133mhz+ on good motherboards for DDR4

[latent light]

4266 on Z390

[steep gust]

Give DDR5 a few years to mature and that kind of performance should be common

You could probably do more with a Z390 Dark

when it comes out

[latent light]

when DDR5 comes out it will be as fast as high end DDR4

4000+ MHz

[steep gust]

Faster

[latent light]

is clock speeds going to be the only interesting thing for DDR5

[steep gust]

DDR4 at best can do like 4666mhz

Over 5000mhz and CPUs lose their minds

How they do the timings will be neat to see

but beyond most people's caring

5200mhz on DDR4 would be amazing if you could pull it off with decent timings and non 3T command rate

but you can't so

[latent light]

damn 6700K users could only get to 4.8 GHz

7700K could do 5 GHz

[steep gust]

higher with a delid

5.0ghz was average and common

[latent light]

4.8 GHz was considered golden on 6700k

[steep gust]

9900k can do 5.2ghz

With enough cooling

[latent light]

people have gotten a 2700X to 4.4 GHz at 1.45v

still disappointed that a 2800X never came out

[steep gust]

1.45v oof

That isn't really safe

[latent light]

even though there probably wouldn't been a use of it besides der8aurer overclocking it to hell

probably wasn't enough good yields to make a 2800X

der8aurer had to push 1.8v to get 2700X at 6 GHz on LN2

[dry geyser]

@latent light 2800x not coming out wont matter if these 3700x leaks are real. 12 core 24 thread, 5ghz boost

[latent light]

3600X will be the best choice

8 cores/16 threads for $230

[steep gust]

5ghz boost on 1-2c

Maybe 4.6ghz at best across all cores

Since AMD really pushes the single core / multi core boosts

[prime jasper]

Boi. Suk meh

[latent light]

tbh if I bought a 12 core/24 thread 3700X, I'd disable SMT

[steep gust]

I'd just disable a die when not needed

[pure prism]

only got 50fps if i turn on the dxr

gg

lmao

[latent light]

do you think a 12 core CPU would have 8 on one die and 4 on the other or 6 and 6

[mental hatch]

i mean isnt that how threadripper is 2 really binned 2600/1600?

[minor turret]

Pretty sure I saw a claim that ddr5 will have faster speeds while maintaining latencies

in which case it will be an outright upgrade unlike ddr4 at launch

[steep gust]

@latent light 6 and 6

@mental hatch Threadripper are just EYPC CPUs with cut out features

I mean

Have you even seen the size of TR4 vs AM4? There is zero chance of a 2600 ending up as a 1950x

[latent light]

lmao

I like the size of threadripper CPUs

looks nice

[minor turret]

make am5 great

make it threadripper size and space shit out

so you can ez oc it

[mental hatch]

@steep gust maybe were talking about 2 different things but this is what im referring to https://www.techpowerup.com/236018/amd-ryzen-threadripper-summit-ridge-dies-are-heavily-binned

[steep gust]

@minor turret that isn't how overclocking headroom works

[minor turret]

more space between cores will improve spot temps on individual cores

[steep gust]

Yeah

Rzyen's limit is a voltage wall

Not thermals

[minor turret]

but ryzen has a soft temp limit of 60c where if you go above it you need more voltage per clock

[steep gust]

Source?

Because XFR sure overclocks automatically over 60C

[minor turret]

it starts downclocking above that

[steep gust]

Uh what

[latent light]

my 1600 goes to 80C without downclocking

[minor turret]

like i can get 4.25 1.4v manual oc fine below 60c, not stable above

1600 is different and is irrelevant

[steep gust]

That is called thermal throttling and it's nowhere near that low outside of Threadripper CPUs

[minor turret]

its the 2. gen

[steep gust]

There is very little difference

[minor turret]

PBO looks at thermals and limits OC headroom just like nvidia gpus do

[latent light]

can't 1.4v weaken Ryzen over time

[steep gust]

Depends on 1 or 2

1.425v is the max recommend by AMD for Zen 1

[minor turret]

1.4v is pushing it but i run a 2600 as a placeholder

[steep gust]

Zen+ never got a number but around 1.4v from PBO settings

but considering that Zen+ is literally just Zen on 12nm

and node shrinks generally result in more leakage, I doubt its much higher than 1.4v and not above Zen 1

[minor turret]

R1 was 1.4v to be safe, official maxx 1.425v but some reports of degradations.

r2 has nothing official but reports of degradations at 1.4v and above so 1.375 usually recommended

even r1 had stability issues over 70c, r2 seems even more temp sensitive

[steep gust]

You don't see voltage scaling (aka temp) until below 0C on almost every CPU

So it sure doesn't have to do with a limit on the silicon and more a risk of degrading at higher voltages at higher temps

AMD bins most of Rzyen pretty hard

You don't get the same overclocks that are possible on Intel also due to the lack of voltage scaling (14nm Intel if you keep it cool it will generally scale pretty well till like 1.45v), since the factory settings are already pretty hardcore

[latent light]

@storm osprey Aliaz 60g, 70g, 80g, or 100g?

[storm osprey]

60g

I hear 70 are good too

[latent light]

that's just the weight it takes to press down the keys?

[storm osprey]

But after that they just get heavy

Yea

[latent light]

what weight are razer greens

[storm osprey]

Probably around 50

[latent light]

damn

[storm osprey]

That's normal

[latent light]

i want the most absolute quiet mechanical keyboard

[storm osprey]

Reds are 45g

These aliaz are insanely quiet

Like.. wtf quiet

[latent light]

lol

[storm osprey]

I thought romer g was quiet

[latent light]

can't find a keyboard with them already installed, have to buy them seperately and put them in

[storm osprey]

Gmmk plate is a modular board

Usually around 50 bucks

[latent light]

i figured you could mod a razer keyboard

but idk

[storm osprey]

Comes in tkl or full

If you can solder you can

[latent light]

i can solder

but would i have to solder every key

[storm osprey]

Yep lol

[latent light]

time consuming

[storm osprey]

Could just do the alpha keys

[latent light]

10 aliaz switches are $5.50

I'm going to gift my friend a custom keyboard with random weight for each key

😈

50g to 100g randomly

the most evil plan

[calm crown]

joined a tdm with no one in

except for the 3 on our team

we lost

[storm osprey]

Lol that would be so fucked up

I'd hate that gift

[latent light]

https://www.pcgamingrace.com/products/gmmk-tkl-tenkeyless-customized

is it this?

[red ingot]

Ohh that's the one nyphon told me I should get

[storm osprey]

Yeah that one, I have that at work and I like it, the rgb isn't very bright, but good enough

[latent light]

aliaz compatible with it?

[storm osprey]

I'll check tomorrow when I go to work

But I'm sure it is

I think everything is, you might have to clip some plastic stems on the switches though

[latent light]

what keyboard do you have your aliaz switches on

[storm osprey]

I'd have to find that tomorrow. It's a kit that my friend put together for me

It's an xd84 pcb board, and some metalbase

[latent light]

"12 months ago"

just say 1 year ago

[storm osprey]

My child is 28 months old

Yeah that video, he smashes the keys

I touch type and you can really only hear the spring and leaflet actuate

[red ingot]

U have a kid?

Or you're just using that as an example of absurdity

[storm osprey]

Example

[red ingot]

Damn

Almost had a reason to call you daddy

[queen field]

Daddy!

[atomic atlas]

[mortal nacelle]

[tiny flame]

guys

i need help

plz dm

[jovial yoke]

Hi everyone, I'm new here. Playing on ps4. Recently, I am looking for headset. Any advice? (Don't actually want to spend too much money.)

[lofty light]

Logitech G933

Oh wait you wanted cheap

I'd always recommend Logitech tbh

Definitely don't get like a turtle beach or something, those suck balls

[storm osprey]

@jovial yoke we need a cap

cause for me a 100 dollar headset falls under not too much money

[minor turret]

superlux hd 681(b) if on hard budget, chinese brand

though if you research there might be better ones out now

oh nvm i didnt realize superlux didnt have a mic

[jovial yoke]

I'm considering about Hyper X cloud stinger

Don't know if it is good or not

[storm osprey]

its good

corsair h60 or wahtever its called is good too

[jovial yoke]

Thx! My friend recommended me ps4 wireless headset but it's a little bit too expensive for me. Is it worthwhile?

[storm osprey]

which one?

they have a bunch

[jovial yoke]

can I post a link?

the one has 7.1 virtual surround sound

[storm osprey]

7.1 virtual surround is a gimmick

@latent light if you were to get the GMMK and the aliaz switches, you would have to cut down 2 plastic tabs

[jovial yoke]

So normal surround sound is good enough for amateur player like me?

[storm osprey]

almost all headphones are stereo headphones

they are just 1 left and 1 right speaker

whenever they say 5.1 or 7.1 its simulated

some of the best "gaming" headphones arent even made for gaming

[jovial yoke]

Lol, didn't know that before. I'm using the ear headset they gave to it me when I bought my smartphone.

[storm osprey]

im a slight audiophile, and a pretty serious gamer

[jovial yoke]

Do I need to upgrade it?

[storm osprey]

i would lol

i have iems

(in ear monitors)

[wet notch]

(in eyes head phones)

[jovial yoke]

Lol. I think I have the thoughts. Thx for the replying.

[storm osprey]

whats your budget?

[jovial yoke]

Probably going for the cloud stinger

about 50 I guess

[storm osprey]

and you need headset built in right?

[jovial yoke]

yes

[storm osprey]

https://www.amazon.com/CORSAIR-HS60-Certified-Headphones-Compatible/dp/B079D3WNR5/ref=sr_1_3?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1546711008&sr=1-3&keywords=corsair+hs60

https://www.amazon.com/Cougar-CGR-P40NB-300-Inmersa-Gaming-Headset/dp/B01KPT6IEC/ref=sr_1_2?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1546711027&sr=1-2&keywords=cougar+immersa

those two and hyper stinger would be my choices

[jovial yoke]

Thx a lot!

[opaque sapphire]

Hello all! I am looking to buy a UPS for my gaming rig (although if it has the wattage to support my monitor that would be great) but since I’m a college student, I can’t afford to shell out $300+ for one. Can anyone recommend me one that is a bit easy on the price but will do well and not short out/cause a fire? My usual gaming wattage is 540w, but I won’t be gaming on it during a storm, and my monitor does pull ~100-115w

[storm osprey]

PSU?

monitor runs off its own power

im kinda confused what you want

you can get a quality 600w psu for like 70 bucks easy

100 tops

[opaque sapphire]

It’s called a UPS. Basically it’s like a surge protector, but with a battery @storm osprey

[steep gust]

uh no

To have a UPS that is like a surge protector you will need hundreds to thousands of dollars

To get one that is inline and not just a battery that connects when it notices a power drop

[storm osprey]

ok gotcha now

man thats confusing the psu and ups are just typos of eachother

[steep gust]

PSU = power supply unit

UPS = Uninterruptible power supply

Generally a UPS is just a battery and basic electronics when cheap

[storm osprey]

yea i figured it out

just weird like i said

[opaque sapphire]

@steep gust has a better description. I was on the run on my phone writing my basic interpretation haha.

Regardless, I’m looking for a good priced UPS if anyone has any recommendations

[steep gust]

a car battery and knowledge about soldering

Dunno much about UPS outside of ones to run a system off of cost a small fortune

Since if your PSU detects any drop in AC input, it shuts off

[storm osprey]

got like 300 bucks in amazon giftcards, what should i get? a 3d printer, upgrade pc, save for tv, or home theater stuff?

[steep gust]

Depends on what you want

I would see if your local library has 3D printers, good ones are costly

[storm osprey]

local libraries have public 3d printers?

[sonic osprey]

depends, they might

the ones you buy at home are not that good, at least in my experience few years ago

unless you buy some more expensive one

[storm osprey]

from the couple of hours of research ive done you can get a pretty solid creality ender 3 for like 200 bucks

[steep gust]

Libraries have a lot of stuff

[storm osprey]

yea im gonna check that out

see what their rates are

im not gonna get into all crazy

but want to test shit out and see if i like 3d printing

i have some keycap and mouse shape designs i want to try

[steep gust]

Generally you run out of ideas really fast

and it just sits there

[sonic osprey]

yep, things that I want to 3d print are usually something got broken and I need to replace it

but for that owning your own printer is like... not really worth :D

[latent light]

I want a UPS

my power goes out like once or twice a week

[storm osprey]

@latent light https://support.wasdkeyboards.com/hc/article_attachments/115015452207/plate_pcb.jpg

that picture shows the 2 main differences in the pins for switces

most modular boards dont have slots for the plastic pins

so you have to cut them off

[latent light]

oof

[storm osprey]

logitech defaults to 400,800,1200, etc

[ebon cairn]

Replaces Logitech Gaming Software?

[north crow]

if I can switch between 400, 800, 1200, etc. without any extra software then that's good

[storm osprey]

increments of 400 from 400 is standard

im almost certain you can do that default

[north crow]

👍

[quaint topaz]

This software is much better and easier to use. Especially setting up macros.

[north crow]

what's the native dpi on the g502

[ebon cairn]

does it manage their webcams etc still?

[north crow]

p r o

"I went to Google it and it appears all DPI is native to the g502's sensor"

neat

[quaint topaz]

small keyboard 🤢

no numpad

[north crow]

same as the ec2-a then (though the ec2-a only lets you switch between 400, 800, 1600, and 3200)

[quaint topaz]

🤢

[ebon cairn]

same for g402 afaik ;)

[flint locust]

its good

fucc numpads

[storm osprey]

i wanted the pro keyboard

[north crow]

as long as 800 works well I'm content

[storm osprey]

i had the 810

[ebon cairn]

I like my numpad for csgo buy binds haha

[storm osprey]

who needs numpads?1

[quaint topaz]

I do

[storm osprey]

for what?

[quaint topaz]

typing numbers.

[storm osprey]

lol

you got num row

[quaint topaz]

fuck that

[ebon cairn]

that's sloppy

[quaint topaz]

I got used to the numpad

[ebon cairn]

/time-consuming

[storm osprey]

i dont need to use num pad during gaming

[north crow]

I like numpad

[flint locust]

i just got this keyboard like a month ago, dont even miss the numpad

[quaint topaz]

how else are you gonna fly in GTA V without a numpad?

[flint locust]

had a razer keyboard before

[north crow]

plus it's not like I need that 8cm extra space

[storm osprey]

never played gtav

[flint locust]

sold it

arrow keys?

[storm osprey]

who needs arrow keys?

[quaint topaz]

Arrow keys are used for your phone in gta

[storm osprey]

are we playing slimeball?

[quaint topaz]

[storm osprey]

welp, its a good thing i dont play gta v

anyone looking for a mouse should get the finalmouse ultralight air ninjas

[quaint topaz]

This is how you setup Macros in the new Logitech software.

really easy

[storm osprey]

[flint locust]

used my old keyboard for like 5 years, and sold it for $15 less than what i paid for it... lmao

[storm osprey]

thats a deal

sold my 810 for 10 less than i bought it

well, thats including the price of the game that came with it

[quaint topaz]

got a 910

pretty happy with it

although i wished you can turn off the multimedia keys

or change their color

from blue

[storm osprey]

you cant change those keys color?!

[north crow]

I got a Kingston HyperX Alloy FPS last june

it's been pretty great

[storm osprey]

with cherry reds?

[north crow]

blues

gotta have that click

[storm osprey]

whoever lives with you must hate you

[north crow]

lmao

I live alone, with my Cherry MX Blues and open back headphones

😉

[storm osprey]

haha nice

what headphones you use?

[north crow]

(though this keyboard doesn't really have anything fancy, except macros - I just like the form factor a lot)

HD800

with a modmic on the side

[storm osprey]

JESUS

[north crow]

lmao

can recommend

[storm osprey]

those are? 600?

[north crow]

they were ~1000€

[quaint topaz]

they're not RGB. Just blue

[storm osprey]

orange ftw, and yea that blue would bother the shit out of me

[flint locust]

oh yea i used those headphones before, sound nice

[storm osprey]

idk if i would ever get hd 800s

[north crow]

they better at that price point

the treble isn't for everyone tho

[storm osprey]

i would like to, but damn

[north crow]

I have some eq on them as well

[storm osprey]

you use them for music as well?

[north crow]

yeah, music and gaming

[storm osprey]

what amp dac?

[north crow]

a Schiit Vali 2 as the amp, my old FiiO E10K as the dac

[quaint topaz]

Right now I'm using the Steelseries Arctics 3 (They're not that good but I got them last year as a gift). And I have a pair of Audio Technica M50X which i use for movies and music.

[storm osprey]

nice, i got a schiit stack

[north crow]

which ones?

[storm osprey]

modi 2 magni 2

[north crow]

ah nice 😄

which headphones?

[storm osprey]

got them brand new for 130$ total

[north crow]

oh shit, that's a hell of a deal

[storm osprey]

yea couldnt pass

it was on their B stock

for music im using hd 6xx

[north crow]

I've heard those are pretty good

they're basically HD650s right?

but from massdrop

[storm osprey]

yea

650s exactly really

[north crow]

ah

[storm osprey]

just different colorway

for gaming i use audio technica ad700x

[north crow]

any specific reason you switch to those for gaming?

[storm osprey]

i had the 700x for gaming from the beginning

their soundstage and detail are really good

[north crow]

ah, nice

[storm osprey]

they are harsh though and a bit dry

so they are great for gaming, but kinda suck for music and movies

[north crow]

yeah

[storm osprey]

i got a new job and now im at a desk

so thats why i got the schiit stack and 6xx for music here

(at work atm)

[north crow]

I sorta want to try a TH900 somewhere, but I don't think they sell those in many places in Finland

[storm osprey]

6xx soundstage is really intimate, profile isnt great for gaming. so i dont use those for gaming

[north crow]

makes sense

[storm osprey]

the 6xx are SUPER easy to listen to

but the downside is that a lot of people will say its boring

[north crow]

I have a pair of Shure SRH1540s at work

those are really easy to listen to as well

[storm osprey]

i had the 58x which are basically hd 660s little brother

and they were definitely more exciting music wise, but it was a little too much

[north crow]

ha

[storm osprey]

i imagine thats what the hd 800 are kinda like

[north crow]

they're very neutral

so probably "boring" by most standards

but have a great soundstage and respond to eq really well

so you can sorta make them what you want 😛

[storm osprey]

thats cool

one day man, ill get them lol

[north crow]

I made the mistake of trying them out at a store

after that I just really wanted to get them

[storm osprey]

lol

[north crow]

but definitely try them first if you can

[storm osprey]

thank god i havent found anywhere to demo them

[north crow]

back when I was first getting into headphones (coming from gaming headsets) I tried the HD518(?) I think

definitely wasn't a fan of those

and not knowing much about headphones, I steered away from sennheiser in general for a while

[storm osprey]

aww ouch

[north crow]

tried DT880s after that, which are still probably the best bang for your buck headphones I'd recommend

[storm osprey]

oo yea

good all arounders

[north crow]

(plus its sisters, DT770 and DT990, though I haven't tried those)

[storm osprey]

i havent heard the 770

[north crow]

any idea how the HD6XX/650 compare to HD600?

[storm osprey]

they are just closed back right?

[north crow]

I tried a pair of HD600s at the same time as the HD800s and found them really "muddy"

yeah afaik 770s are basically a closed back, V-shaped 880

and 990s are open back (and also V-shaped)

[storm osprey]

i havent heard the 600 myself, but afaik they have a wider soundstage, and are more neutral

650/6xx has boosted lows, forward mids, and recessed highs

so they really emphasize vocals and easy listening

600 is supposed to be their studio headphones iirc

[north crow]

ah alright

[storm osprey]

i think i would like the 600 more than the 6xx/650 but im not gonna pay 100 bucks more for them

(at least)

[north crow]

yeah, and if you're happy with the 6xx why bother

[storm osprey]

right, its perfect for work, since its so easy going

it masks a lot of bad recordings too

if imagine the 600 would just reveal everything

[north crow]

that's definitely the opposite of the hd800 then 😄

bad recordings stand out like a sore thumb

a blessing and a curse

[storm osprey]

have you tried any flacless tracks?

[north crow]

flacless?

[storm osprey]

its like pure 1:1 recordings

[north crow]

do you mean flac files in general, or is "flacless" something more specific?

[storm osprey]

oops, yea put less at the end

[north crow]

I have a bunch of music I've bought encoded as flac but I don't really notice much if any difference between those and 320kbps mp3/similar tbh

[storm osprey]

i feel you gotta get like super CRITICAL to hear the difference

[north crow]

yeah, know what to look for etc.

[storm osprey]

i did a test online and got 6/7 or something to where i only missed 1

but man, it wasnt THAT big of a difference

[north crow]

oof, I picked the 128kbps one in half of those 😄

if we're talking about the same test

it was interesting, in half of them I picked the 128, in the other half the wav file

[storm osprey]

had like 3 options that you clicked and it played a sample