but it should be 15-15-15-35
#technology
latent light
latent light
yes
latent light
gigabyte memory support on Ryzen boards is garbage
red ingot
noped out so hard
latent light
don't get gigabyte if you have ryzen
red ingot
nice
yeah i can't remember what my build was at that time
just that i had an 8350
and i got rid of it ~1 year later
my only xp with amd
rose eagle
i bought an i5 back when they were 3 digit and it only lasted me like 1.5y
ive been a tad concerned id regret this 9700k some day but nothing should kill 8 cores until it's time to change out everything all over again
red ingot
yeah
i mean i had my 4770k since it came out
so like ~5 years
not bad imo
so if my 9700k lasts me 5 years, $1000 for board/ram/cpu, its like $200/year
which isn't horrible
some people can spend $200 in one night at the bar 
rose eagle
i have zero faith AMD will release anything to destroy the 9700k
at best i see the 12c24t being comparable
latent light
3600X will probably
8 core/16 threads for only $230
5 GHz boost clock
Zen 2 isn't supposed to have any quad cores, 6 cores will be the minimum
so Ryzen 3 will have 6 cores
Ryzen 5 with 8 cores
latent light
IPC will be ahead of intel too because there will be 13% minimum increase in IPC over Zen+
Zen+ is 5-8% lower than Intel 9th gen
you gotta know that Ryzen only came out in 2017, there is many improvements and optimization that can take place for every new gen
rose eagle
i mean, CPU enhancements over the last 6 years have been mediocre
i technically could have continued to use my 2012 i7 4c8t
Ryzen 3 is just a boost clock increase over 2 and IPC?
latent light
Intel's IPC has only increased by 10% since 2012
next gen Ryzen 3 will be comparable to 2nd gen Ryzen 5
core counts will be the same
we will probably see a Ryzen 3 3300 for only $100 with 6 cores/12 threads and 4 GHz boost clock
Ryzen 5 3600 will be 8 cores/12 threads, around 4.4GHz boost
for $180
rose eagle
im just going to be curious what comes in at $350
latent light
3600X will be 4.8 GHz boost for $230
rose eagle
I mean, at this point my 2070 would be a bottleneck so it wouldnt matter
latent light
possible 5 GHz boost on single core
rose eagle
this pairing 2070 + 9700k is pretty spot on for 1440p gaming
latent light
$350 will be the Ryzen 7 3700X with 12 cores/24 threads and 5 GHz boost
5 GHz on single core I bet
might be 2 idk
latent light
Ryzen 5 will be the sweet spot
8c/16t
Ryzen 7 will have a TDP of around 105W
Ryzen 5 95W on the 3600X
65W on the 3600
steep gust
9700k doesn't turbo to 5.0ghz across all cores
Also TDP means jackshit, who uses a CPU at base frequency?
Also a 2070 will struggle with 1440p, I would recommend a 1080ti / 2080 at a minimum for 1440p 144hz that isn't relying on gsync
latent light
9700K does 4.6 ghz boost all cores
steep gust
Thing is, Zen2 will close the gap between Intel and AMD for gaming to the point it doesn't matter unless you are aiming for ultra high refresh rates
The only thing holding back Zen+ right now is clocks and IPC, and both are improving (even if not to the extend of leaks) enough that price to performance will be what kills Intel
Because lets be real, the 9700k should be like
$300
tops
molten bramble
LOL, nothing is going to "kill Intel"... their patent portfolio alone will keep it around just like Motorola.
And Qualcomm.
steep gust
Uh
You do realize that AMD and Intel have agreements on patents?
Intel can't stifle competition via patents, they already tried to kill AMD and lost a shit load of money
Motorola is used for a lot of government jobs iirc
Qualcomm produces a lot of networking stuff, and mobile devices, and other things people don't realize
latent light
Intel had to pay $1.45 billion to the EU for trying to kill AMD competition in the prebuilt desktop market
molten bramble
Who cares? Not relevant to the fact that Intel is way more entrenched in their patent farm than any of their competitors. Whether they have any deals or not, doesn't mean squat, because if they don't made headway in one area, they can concentrate their R&D in another. AMD on the other hand NEEDs the consumer marketplace to stay competitive.
steep gust
Intel will lose a lot of market share
EYPC 2 is shitting on Intel's current Xeon CPUs
latent light
AMD has gained a lot of marketshare
steep gust
and server CPUs is where the money is at
latent light
Not far from intel
steep gust
The DIY market for Intel and AMD is not how they make money
molten bramble
😄
steep gust
EYPC 2 is bringing the first 64c CPU to the market
While Intel was like
"Guys we overclocked an already existing processor with a phase changer"
EYPC 2 is gonna have PCIe 4.0
While Intel can't even get their 10nm node to work after 5+ years
molten bramble
You made a statement, that AMD could kill Intel, and that's just not the case.
steep gust
Yet they can
steep gust
Plenty of other businesses have died from poor business decisions
molten bramble
Your scope of reference is way too small on this.
steep gust
Take Sears
red ingot
steep gust
Didn't innovate
red ingot
Sears is a meme
steep gust
died
red ingot
True
molten bramble
Intel is nowhere near the ineptitude of Sears.
red ingot
Also true
steep gust
yeah sears was bigger
red ingot
Plus
latent light
Epyc 64 core/128 thread CPU for the same price as a 28 core Intel Xeon
steep gust
They had no competition
molten bramble
Huh?
red ingot
Sears had tons of competition
molten bramble
They had plenty of competition.
red ingot
Intels only competition is AMD
prime jasper
you know some of those Ryzen 2 leaks were totally made up
steep gust
Sears could have been what Amazon is now
red ingot
Well
steep gust
easily
red ingot
Apparently their supply chain was horrendous
molten bramble
It would take a biblical-level of fuckup for Intel to go under.
red ingot
I read somewhere that even if they did go online
steep gust
It won't be quickly
molten bramble
B I B L I C A L
red ingot
They still wouldve failed
red ingot
Sears would never have had 2 day shipping
Amazon revolutionized supply chain
And yes they might lose market share
steep gust
Amazon lost a shit load of money with prime to do that
red ingot
Doesnt mean theyll go under
latent light
Zen 2 leaks are accurate speculation from sources that got Intel 9th gen, Zen+, Threadripper 2 and RTX 2000 series accurate months before announcement
steep gust
I mean
red ingot
Gotta lose money to grow
steep gust
I'm waiting for my 9900k to do 5.2ghz on air
molten bramble
You're equating losing marketshare to the downfall of a company, and that's not the case. That's not economic theory at all. 🤦
latent light
I'm sure the Zen 2 leaks are atleast 90% accurate
red ingot
Especially when it's like going from 90% market share to 80%
(No stats, just an assumption)
prime jasper
@rough gulch Well I would love it would turn out at 90% truth
I would be all in swapping my 2700x for an 3700x
steep gust
CPUs cost a shit load of money to create (See the billions into 10nm)
So if Intel loses enough market share, and large companies switch to AMD for server CPUs. Intel will have to reduce spending somehow to continue to pay for R&D, you can already see Intel changing its focus when it cut DIY CPU production for mobile CPUs
and Intel's innovation has been less than stellar
molten bramble
sigh...
molten bramble
Okay guy, no debating it with you. DM me when Intel goes under. I'll buy the round.
prime jasper
Well nobody wins if either one goes under
prime jasper
Competition is what we should hope for
steep gust
Plenty of companies do
steep gust
Intel has a ton of patents it really shouldn't
short crypt
Ayy
red ingot
Just like every company ever
steep gust
and while Intel does have a cross-licensing agreement with AMD
It kills other companies from coming into some markets
latent light
Intel isn't as corrupt with competition as they used to be
steep gust
Qualcomm can't create an x86 CPU due to Intel's patent, and they will probably step on some of AMD's patents to create one anyway
short crypt
New tv arrives in two days cant wait
latent light
throughout the 90s and early 2000s, Intel was paying retailers to not sell AMD products which is why the EU fined them $1.45 billion
AMD even had better processors at the time
in 2005 Japan issued sanctions against Intel for being anti-competitive lmao
steep gust
Oh my
Intel is saying Qualcomm is anti competitive
With how they handled Apple's patent infringement in China
The irony 
latent light
Intel tried to hide their court dates from the public
steep gust
google patent "Intel"
219,000 results oof
molten bramble
Articles from 2013 through today show AMD has been a mess since the early-to-mid 2000s and the marketplace isn't getting much easier for their survival. (RE: https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/04/the-rise-and-fall-of-amd-how-an-underdog-stuck-it-to-intel and https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/04/amd-on-ropes-from-the-top-of-the-mountain-to-the-deepest-valleys/ among others). They're not doing as well as has been represented here. In fact, they peaked in early 2018. Attached is the five-year performance of their brand.
Intel on the other hand...
latent light
molten bramble
Can't fight the math.
latent light
steep gust
I find it funny that the 2990WX destroys the 7980XE in some workloads 
latent light
Windows 10 NUMA support holds back the 2990WX
steep gust
There will never be one CPU to rule them all
molten bramble
🎤 drop.
steep gust
So comparing Intel vs AMD's top CPU means nothing
Intel can't compete with AMD for pricing
molten bramble
Neither can Dodge vs Ford, but one makes quality products and the other makes Fords.
latent light
they probably could but they'd throw a tantrum if they started making less profit
steep gust
Also Intel has a lot more products that hold it up
When was the last time you saw an AMD network chip?
molten bramble
It doesn't mean anything. LOL
steep gust
The 7980XE beats the 2990WX in memory bandwidth sensitive workloads that don't scale well with core count and prefer clock speed
The 2990WX destroys the 7980XE in anything that prefers straight cores over clock speed and isn't memory sensitive
latent light
2990WX underclocked to around 2.8-3.0 GHz would be a nice server cpu
steep gust
Threadripper are just EYPC CPUs anyways
molten bramble
You can keep Googling whatever you'd like in the tangential arguments, it's not going to change the fact that Intel isn't going under and by the margins, is not even worried about AMD in the long-term. The math doesn't support it.
latent light
AMD server marketshare is growing pretty quickly
steep gust
It was obviously thrown together to beat Rzyen
latent light
lmao why did Intel release 2 generations in a 8 month period and increase core counts for the 8th gen if they aren't worried about AMD
molten bramble
Illuminati not confirmed.
steep gust
It seemed like 4c 8t CPUs sold fine
They did for like
7 generations?
dunno too lazy to check
Then Rzyen shows up
and Intel releases a main stream 6c 12t CPU on LGA 1151
Which it said was impossible at one point
Then a 8c 16t CPU on the same socket
latent light
steep gust
but no
Intel doesn't have to worry about AMD
They just decided to 'innovate' for the shits and giggles
latent light
do you think Ryzen 9 at 16 cores will work on AM4
supposed to be a 2 chiplet design
steep gust
It should
Der8auer has a new video showing how the pins can handle a lot more current than given
latent light
I guess it's not possible at the moment to put more than 8 cores on a single die
or chiplet
not die
steep gust
7980XE is one die
latent light
forgot how many pins are on AM4
steep gust
It just uses a mesh
latent light
AM4 - 1331 pins
latent light
what is PCI-E 4.0 on next gen supposed to bring
latent light
Zen 2 so far is confirmed to have:
- Higher core counts
- Higher frequency
- Higher memory support
- Lower Latency
- Refinement
molten bramble
So last night I was looking online trying to figure out if the Turtlebeach Elite Pro Tournament headset I have is CTIA or OMTP compliant. Anyone know? Because it will matter on what kind of splitter I buy for the PC mic/headphone ports versus the $30 one from TB themselves.
Ideally, I want to use the same headset between the XB1 and the PC.
steep gust
and considering bandwidth is the holy limiter to storage speeds and some server usages 
I think there are server motherboards with x32 slots
latent light
Xbox got no exclusives
meh PS4 exclusives don't grab my attention
more cutscenes than actual gameplay
interactive movies
I mainly like single player games that are in the RPG category
Borderlands, fallout, elder scrolls, bioshock, ect.
buoyant rover
@latent light Confirmed by who
If you say AMD have a source ready
preferably one that isn't a video
quiet wasp
Are they any good CPU like the 7820x 8Core ?? Right now ?? or in the future ???
i overclock my 7820 to 4.7GHZ per Core
latent light
CES announcement is less than 2 weeks away which is when AMD unveils all of their products for this year
@buoyant rover you do realize most leaks in the past 3 years have been precise and correct in detail
latent light
I wouldn't deny the Zen 2 leaks considering Wccftech, Videocardz and Techradar have had all of their previous leaks for Ryzen, Nvidia and Intel atleast 90% accurate
they predicted RTX 2000 series all the way back in July lmfao
and got the CUDA core count, memory type, memory size and bandwidth all right
steep gust
9th gen leaks were not accurate
Wccftech
Shit source
Still waiting for my 9900k to do 5.2ghz on air
Leaks said it would
buoyant rover
Plenty of leaks regarding the PC world turn out to be false
I'm going to wait and see and not try to say X is happening or Y is expected
steep gust
It was one of the china leaks
That would take me ages to dig up
tldr someone supposedly got an engineering sample and pushed it really high without much effort "due to the sTIM"
as we found out
was straight bullshit, 9900k over 1.3v thermal throttles without some hardcore cooling
latent light
didn't they use some motherboard that no one has access to and they used a freezer or something to cool it
steep gust
They used a Dominus Extreme IIRC
and yeah a phase changer cooler
To push it well below ambient
steep gust
Different motherboard then
latent light
32 power phases
steep gust
I don't think anyone got close enough to see the controllers to check if its a true 32 phase
or doubled
Since there have been doubled 32 phase consumer boards before
latent light
Intel's demo didn't tell the full story. Many in the press mistakenly assumed the new processor runs at 5.0 GHz at stock settings, but we carefully analyzed video from the event and spotted a few obvious signs that the processor was overclocked. Intel was apparently running some sort of closed-loop cooling that required insulating material around the tubing. This turns out to be a water chiller hidden under the table. As expected, all of the components are properly shielded to avoid excess condensation from the chilled liquid.
The one-horsepower Hailea HC-1000B is a beefy water chiller that can dissipate tremendous amounts of waste heat, but it also requires more than 1,000W for operation. We were originally going to witness the demo first hand, but there wasn't enough power handy to run both the chiller and the system simultaneously.
steep gust
A water chiller that beefy is pretty much a phase changer
I can't find specs on the chiller
but yeah that CPU is pulling 7980XE on LN2 levels of power
latent light
what year do you think we will be able to cool 28-cores at 5GHz on a basic AIO lmao
latent light
oof
steep gust
Efficiency gains aren't going to be that big
and that is most likely above a safe daily voltage
latent light
CPU technology has to change
steep gust
Getting a 7980XE to 5.0ghz takes a lot of voltage
Man I don't even want to know what the mesh connecting all the cores was drawing for all that
long sphinx
any pc nerds here? i was trying to fix ram issues but i messed up some stuff, while i fixed most of the crashes Im still getting pagefile issues, I set all the drives to "system managed" (win7) how you guys set the pagefile?
steep gust
pagefault in a non-paged area BSOD? or whatever its called
If that is happening, then up your CPU voltage or drop your CPU overclock
I doubt you messed up the page file, since that is just selecting the drive and it should default to your OS drive
red ingot
Wow
storm osprey
Anyone into 3d printing?
languid acorn
Wassup whatever your name was before you changed it
languid acorn
Yes my boy
red ingot
Yeah u know what
New year new me
I didnt actually make this my nickname btw
A mod/admin set it
🤷
I just rolled with it
languid acorn
Judge cockman
languid acorn
This is the new me
red ingot
O.o
buoyant rover
@latent light at least you get options at all
asrock low end boards give only control over base voltage
latent light
is it better to have a dynamic voltage offset than a static one?
I feel like dynamic will tone down the voltage whenever not doing something task heavy
queen field
That's what it does
latent light
I think Dynamic Vcore SOC is for RAM because when I increased it, my memory overclock became stable
DRAM does have a static voltage option but CPU doesn't which is weird
livid tiger
guys is the HS60 and HS70 same but HS60 is wired ?
if yes I'll get the HS60 cause it is literally half the price
I'm talking about corsair headset
latent light
HS70 has 7.1 surround I think
livid tiger
it is written that HS60 has too
latent light
wait they both do
livid tiger
Yeah
I just checked on amazon
CORSAIR HS60 – 7.1 Virtual Surround Sound PC Gaming Head
latent light
hs60 is wired, 3.5mm jack by default but comes with a USB adapter for 7.1 surround
HS70 is wireless and bluetooth
livid tiger
The USB adapter works on Ps4?
latent light
ps4 doesn't have 7.1 surround support I don't think
latent light
PS4 only supports 7.1 via HDMI which means you need an actual surround speaker system and not a surround headset
livid tiger
ah I see
latent light
@prime jasper what ryzen 7 is it
prime jasper
2700x
latent light
get a B450 if you don't want to have the chance of going through bios update
also you'd have to wait a week until AMD shipped a AM4 CPU to you so you could update the bios
B450 would be better if you want instant out-of-the-box compatibility
prime jasper
ok ty
latent light
I got my B350 board like 3 months after Ryzen 2000 series came out, didn't have the bios updated for 2nd gen
but it didn't matter because I have a 1600
prime jasper
theres a 1080 used on amazon should i trust it goes ffor 500
latent light
500 USD?
latent light
MSI Armor get pretty hot
prime jasper
should i get it or nah?
latent light
prob not
it will run over 80C most of the time with that cooler
that cooler is better fitted on a 1060 lol
prime jasper
lol
latent light
you see any 2070 deals
prime jasper
leme say
seee
but i limitid bc im shiping to isreal
2070 for 550
oof plus 15o $ for shipping for me
150*
latent light
wtf lol
prime jasper
ehh idk
prime jasper
im buying liquid cooling
latent light
AIO cooler?
prime jasper
ye
prime jasper
if i need to
latent light
wait another week, next gen Ryzen announcement
I think on the 10th
of this month
you'll probably see much better value by then
prime jasper
ok
btw
i wana make yt vids on bf2 do u recommend an editting program?
@ me what u recommend ima go record bf2
slate rivet
anyone use admin centre o365?
pallid roost
r7 2700x > i5 9600k
minor turret
@thick mist @narrow meadow https://gamegpu.com/action-/-fps-/-tps/battlefield-v-test-gpu-cpu-2018
keen forge
@latent light what’s wrong with no backplate? It’s not like they help cooling
prime jasper
\
prime jasper
it's a structural thing right?
sonic osprey
I like big backplates and I can not lie, You other brothers can't deny
livid tiger
I have one last small question..which is better Corsair HS60 or HyperX Cloud Stinger
Keep in mind I'm on Ps4 and dont need sorround noise
steep gust
@keen forge It helps with cooling
If they are well
connected to the mosfets
Most companies forgo any kind of thermal pad between the PCB and backplate
Also if you are buying a 2070
Spend the extra $50 and get a binned one
It will overclock (and boost automatically out of the box) much higher
keen forge
Backplate doesn’t affect cooling
steep gust
It easily can
VRMs are sometimes stuck on the back of cards and should be connected to the backplate if it exists, but most companies are cheap and don't include $2 in thermal pads
keen forge
That wasn’t the point - that’s not what comes stock
steep gust
You said backplate doesn't affect cooling
Not "Stock backplate doesn't affect cooling"
and anyways no one has actually done proper tests on PCB temps
keen forge
The conversation was about stock back plates
keen forge
Anyone can stick a piece of metal to their GPU with thermal pads, that’s not what you get when you buy tho
steep gust
and I know my GPU backplate is doing something for heat at stock
because it gets fucking hot
and its not magically producing its own heat
keen forge
My case gets hot - is not exactly improving my thermal performance
steep gust
more fans
keen forge
I’ve ordered a new case and more fans already
steep gust
Meshify C + excessive amount of fans = fine airflow
but i really should add more exhaust fans, the issue is I can't without fucking up my radiator
or it will just choke itself on its own hot air
keen forge
My case doesn’t technically support my rad, I drilled a couple holes to get it to work
steep gust
I might do that
It has the mounting holes for a 280mm rad
but doesn't technically support it
keen forge
It doesn’t look too good, wouldn’t recommend
latent light
backplates do cool
@steep gust are 2mm thermal pads too thick?
I see 0.5mm, 1mm, 1.5mm and 2mm
storm osprey
holy shit aliaz switches are awesome
storm osprey
FUUCK THESE SWITCHES
latent light
what switches
steep gust
Eh
Too thick might be bad
But like 0.5mm off shouldn't do anything bad since they do compress
latent light
quiet as a membrane?
storm osprey
pretty fucking close if i had to guess
like, i dont bottom out when i type, and i can really only hear the leaflet getting depressed
storm osprey
yes you need it for that, but you dont need it to the max
prime jasper
over clock ur i9 9700k to the max with no cooler and use a fire extinguisher
prime jasper
bbtw im being sarcastic
prime jasper
oof
prime jasper
im gonna get a i5 9600k
prime jasper
im geting an aio
prime jasper
oof
pale notch
died
prime jasper
1500?
pale notch
1700
prime jasper
i can find an rtx 2070 for 500
pale notch
yeh i know me to thats why i have this pc now
steep gust
Don't get a 9600k
Wait literally a week
For CES 2019
Zen 2 will most likely shit bricks on Intel for price to performance
prime jasper
but will they get realeasd the same day?
prime jasper
im short on time
pale notch
??
prime jasper
me?
prime jasper
sorry rn i run on an athilon apu
steep gust
At least the 9600k is a bad investment
pale notch
gouat
prime jasper
2700x?
pale notch
omg
pale notch
steep gust
Sunny Cove will not support Z390
pale notch
prime jasper
hmm k
prime jasper
ok ty forthe help
steep gust
I mean
If you made this long on an athilon
I feel like you could wait a little longer for Zen 2
Just to see
prime jasper
ye ok
if a ryzen 7 3600x is the same as the 2700x i might buy
or a better for the same price
i think i can wait till feb
latent light
next gen Ryzen should be able to do 5 GHz
prime jasper
even 5?
storm osprey
just like im stoked on these aliaz switches
latent light
yeah just as boost
5 GHz boost on 1-2 cores should mean 5.1-5.2 GHz all core overclocks
steep gust
uh no
latent light
"uh no"
prime jasper
i think ryzen 3 wil do 3.9
latent light
all you ever say
steep gust
The 2700x can get up to like 4.3ghz across all cores
latent light
steep gust
Can you do
4.4ghz on a 2700x?
Hell no
That would take some hardcore silicon lottery
prime jasper
4.2 maybe
latent light
no lol
prime jasper
idk
steep gust
4.3ghz is considered golden for a 2700x
prime jasper
7.3
latent light
I heard of 1300X going to 4 GHz but no higher
prime jasper
lol
steep gust
AMD isn't going to add a gigahertz of frequency just by a node shrink
latent light
Epyc will have 64 cores this next gen
steep gust
The record 2990WX frequency is 6.0ghz
latent light
1 core?
steep gust
I think HWBot requires all cores
latent light
how can you get 32 to 6 ghz lmao
steep gust
Its not stable in anything
latent light
did it boot though
steep gust
duh
latent light
prime jasper
160 digreees
steep gust
Since most motherboards freak the fuck out with the sensors once under LN2
prime jasper
melt iron with ur 32 core 6 ghz cpu
latent light
what's the highest oc on a 2700x
steep gust
Der8auer took a 2700x to 5.6ghz for the Cinebench record with LN2
latent light
he got it to do a cinebench run wtf
steep gust
If you think just going to 7nm will let AMD push a 3700x to 5.2ghz across all cores with safe voltages, you will be very disappointed
steep gust
We don't know
AMD has said nothing
People are guessing around 10-15% IPC improvements, and I can see 10%
But the claims of >15% IPC improvements are bullshit, lets be real
latent light
idk how over 10% IPC improvement could happen in 1 new gen lol
latent light
AMD said themselves 19% higher IPC than first gen Ryzen
youtubers are saying 13-15%
storm osprey
i say we just wait lol
latent light
wait not 29%
storm osprey
19% sounds reasonable
steep gust
3% @storm osprey
Ultimately, the changes in Zen+ resulted in a 3% improvement in IPC over Zen; which in conjunction with 6% higher clock speeds resulted in up to 10% overall increase in performance
storm osprey
10% sounds reasonable
steep gust
Which is normal considering Zen+ was a refresh
storm osprey
15% slightly less
steep gust
and just moving to 12nm
Intel normally does 1-3% IPC improvements per generation
and lets be real, everyone was expecting Intel to have 10nm products at least in the pipeline
Not Skylake for the third time
storm osprey
well, lets not use intel as a baseline, they basically had a monopoly and could put out little shit like that
latent light
how long has 10nm been in development
steep gust
Since like
latent light
I first heard about 10nm in 2015
latent light
Zen was being worked on right after Piledriver
latent light
lol
latent light
2012 was 32nm I think for Intel and AMD
steep gust
Ivy Bridge was 22nm in 2011
Man 10nm has been "next year" for literally half a decade
latent light
TSMC is ahead of Intel lol
steep gust
TSMC also isn't trying to use old fabrication techniques to get 10nm
latent light
Intel has fabs in the USA, Israel, China and Canada
steep gust
Samsung has a working 7nm EUV node
So does TSMC
Intel is trying to use immersion lithography IIRC
latent light
3 in Ireland
steep gust
TSMC has one in USA
latent light
that's a random location
steep gust
but its most likely a research fab
latent light
damn there is so many TSMC fabs in Taiwan
and they got 1 in china and 1 in USA
2 in china*
latent light
Intel fab 42 is going to cost $5-7 billion and starts production in 2020
GlobalFoundries has a fab plant that costed $6.8 billion
was made in 2016
TSMC has the most expensive one at $9 billion that was made in 2016
and they have one expected to be $20 billion in the future
and a $17 billion one in 2020
currently under construction
TSMC is worth a lot
since they make AMD and Nvidia chips
steep gust
Intel is also worth a lot
latent light
AMD did claim that Zen 2 will have 29% higher IPC than Zen
"Estimated increase in instructions per cycle (IPC) is based on AMD internal testing for “Zen 2” across microbenchmarks, measured at 4.53 IPC for DKERN +RSA compared to prior “Zen 1” generation CPU (measured at 3.5 IPC for DKERN + RSA) using combined floating point and integer benchmarks."
minor turret
For a specific workload
which is likely true
not a blanket 29% ipc increase
also rumours about amd going 16 cores means rip 5 ghz 
steep gust
The 9900k at 5.0ghz across all cores gets toasty so if y'all make a big deal of the 3700x not hitting 5.0ghz across all cores then 
latent light
any CPU that can hit 5 GHz on a single core boost should be able to manually overclock all cores to 5 GHz
minor turret
inb4 we get 16 cores 3.8-3.9ghz and 6/8 core at 4.4
with maybe boosting 1-2 cores to 4.5-4.6 ghz with pbo
latent light
not too long ago Intel users were saying all you need is 4 cores for gaming
now 6-8 cores is mainstream which AMD implemented before them
before Ryzen though 8 core AMD CPUs were pretty bad
prime jasper
can confirm
did have fx series cpu
did not work with a powerful gpu, would get a slight bottleneck
to be fair I plugged a GTX 1070 in with it
latent light
Fx-8350 would bottleneck a 1060 unless you overclocked it to 4.5+ GHz
prime jasper
#stock-cooler-lyfe
minor turret
@latent light this is true, when next gen consoles get released
prime jasper
inb4 gta 6 is released and it doesn't come to pc for like 4 years
minor turret
if so, holidays 2020 release LUL
latent light
didn't GTA 5 come to pc 1 year after it came out
prime jasper
I thought it was 3
latent light
came out in april 2015 on steam
latent light
so it came out on pc a year and half after it came out on xbox 360 and ps3
it came out on xbox one and ps4 in late 2014 I think
latent light
console users have to experience game breaking bugs, we don't
prime jasper
we experience PC chat
latent light
even gta 5 optimization was shit on pc when it came out
minor turret
Consoles have AMDs dogshit old 8 core
why arent console games optimized for 8 cores then?
latent light
a lot are
minor turret
the single thread performance on jaguar must be terrible
prime jasper
I thought they were
latent light
which is why Battlefield games are 60 fps on xbox one and ps4
AMD Jaguar CPUs are 28nm and have IPC identical to Bulldozer architecture
problem is that the CPUs are clocked low
basically take an Fx-8150 and underclock it to 2 GHz
basically a Jaguar CPU in terms of performance
minor turret
and yet some ported console games are terrible at utilizing multiple threads
latent light
consoles architecture is way different
minor turret
last gen is x86 aint it?
steep gust
That is similar to the base of FX
Console games are built around the hardware
and the games that do run on console are pretty impressive
latent light
I played BF1 on the release xbox one, game looked and played good
think it was 900p 60 fps with good anti-aliasing
because it didn't look pixelated on a 60" 1080p TV
and the graphics looked identical to medium settings on PC
I remember when BF4 came out and it looked like shit on the xbox one because it was 720p with no AA present
storm osprey
aliaz switches are the shit
latent light
It's not going to be a disappointment tbh
VideoCardz leaks came up today which is only a week away from the CES announcement in Las Vegas
I'm sure the leaks are true
plain quiver
hey i have a GeForce GTX 1050Ti in my PC. And a intel i7 7700. now, everything is laggy like graphics lag. i dont know why.
8gb ram
on my laptop with a 1050 2GB it runs much better
well not much, but better
ive disabled all extra effects, set to low latency graphics settings
but still its a bit laggy
storm osprey
a 1050ti isnt very powerful
plain quiver
but the laptop i use
has 1050
and Ti is better
still the laptop performs better
im going crazy i keep lagging
once an nme runs across the screen
and i turn
everything hangs
and i cant aim
bewm down
cries
loud sparrow
plain quiver
yay i got it fixed. used optimization from nvidia experience. it somehow ... disabled or change dsomething that fixed the lag.
;D
prime jasper
u should upgrade to a 1060 down the line
lofty light
Why not a 2080ti?
molten bramble
@plain quiver I have a 1050Ti in the PC, not a laptop, don't have those issues.
prime jasper
my brother is saying apu beats cpus in gaming lmao bc apus have graphics and help the gpu
like a i5 9600k and the ryzen 7 2700x
lofty light
Well price perf for a low end PC APU's are best
It beats a low end normal CPU and like a 1050 for sure
prime jasper
he is saying bc i5 9600k has intigrated graphics its gives more fps in games then the ryzen7200x both with a graphics card ofc
molten bramble
*than
prime jasper
ye ty im bad at spelling
lofty light
As a mod do you have perms to edit peeps messages?
sonic osprey
the integrated gpu is not used if you dont use it
molten bramble
@lofty light We can do all sorts of nifty things. 😃
sonic osprey
intel is actually releasing 9th gen chips without gpu for less price, 9600KF, 9700KF, 9900KF
lofty light
I should become a mod to edit peeps messages and correct their spelling 😉
lofty light
*yaeh
prime jasper
get a 720p monitor for secondary
and 60 hz
unless ur gaming on both for some reason
dull stag
prime jasper
hmm k
but if u want a thrid monitor make sure its 720p
bc then u will waste money'
sonic osprey
my ocd says no
prime jasper
oof
sonic osprey
people using 144hz monitors just for discord though, is like
prime jasper
ppl need to see tha 
smoothly
sonic osprey
and then they have 1080p and 150-200% res scale on windows
prime jasper
ppl like the typing thing
sonic osprey
just get a laptop for discord
sonic osprey
I have the 49" samsung
prime jasper
kool
i have the cheapo hp
60hz
we want 620hz already
more hz over 200 is usless
on a 4k screen
make sure they look the same
sonic osprey
it depends what you are doing with the second screen
if you are just showing "static" content, 144hz burns through it faster
prime jasper
if u wana browse the webs use ur phone as a second screen lol
sonic osprey
but you can always limit it to 60hz too, if 60 or 144 is nearly the same price point. Also there are some inconvenies when using 144+60 mixed
prime jasper
lol
get a spectere or somthin
i wonder what happends when u get curved ultra windes in a cirlcile
u need an O shaped desk
and somhow get in
the mid
sonic osprey
@prime jasper if you have intel cpu with integrated graphics, you could get 60hz display and plug it into the motherboard hdmi, that way it would not interfere at all with your gaming 144hz
prime jasper
sadly
get a cheap video cards of of ebay
or just use ur damn graphics card and plug in 2 monitors
sonic osprey
problem is 144hz and 60hz dont sync, 120 and 60 "sync"
prime jasper
i can barley afford a 1 inch screen oof
then get worse response time
i dont think reddit needs 1ms response time
hmm
then stick with the benq
molten bramble
Has the BENQ been good? Had some of those at work.
prime jasper
wait
u had a 120hz one
so use that
oh oof
do u want better cpu or monitor
u could opt for a cheap one then save up later
for a better monitor
get ryzen they always use same chipset
so ez upgrades
lmao
it is
u need to upgrade to a new motherboard
sonic osprey
I think the 4770 + 1070 is good balance
prime jasper
ehh idk
sonic osprey
I mean 4770k can bottleneck 2080ti on ultra
molten coral
Amd 
latent light
mainly games with the Unreal Engine like Fortnite, PUBG, WW3
RX 580 stomps the 1060 in most games
prime jasper
im planning to get a 1070 and a 2700x
latent light
wait a week and get a 3600X
prime jasper
ik
latent light
it will be sub $230
prime jasper
noice
sonic osprey
you really think you can get those new ryzens this month
there would be already leaked videos and benchmarks if they were coming
latent light
they are doing this launch exactly like first gen ryzen launch
launch right after CES
prime jasper
will ryzen 3600x beat intel in gaming?
prime jasper
bc ryzen looks like for gaming and intel looks like for workstations but exactly the opisite
latent light
well, considering Intel 9th gen IPC is only 8% ahead of Ryzen 2000 series and 3000 series is supposed to have 13-15% higher IPC than 2000
it should be ahead of current intel
sonic osprey
ryzen 7 series was announced dec 13, 2016 and launched feb 22, 2017, not quite immediately
its gonna take months before you can get those new chips, and most likely not the flag ships until they get them optimized
sonic osprey
moooonths
I say the 3700x or what was the best, is available in like late august tops
latent light
Flagships always launch first and the low end launches last
Ryzen 7 launches first always
well Ryzen 7 and 5 launch together
same goes for intel and nvidia
they launch the high-end first
latent light
the last products of the next gen to launch are the APUs which will come out Q3
sonic osprey
still its gonna take long time from the "launch" or "announcement" in CES, until you get any of the new lineup
prime jasper
cant wait to see the new athilon apus
latent light
there may not be new athlon cpus
prime jasper
they have done me good
latent light
there was athlon cpus launched like a month ago
Athlon 200GE, 220GE and 240GE
with Vega 3 graphics
prime jasper
ik
but i dont think it affects performance
if i dont have a gsync monitor if i get more hen 60 fps on games will it lag?
then
60hz btw
prime jasper
much better
latent light
G-sync and FreeSync makes lower framerates look smooth and also help with stuttering and screen tearing
prime jasper
oh ok
latent light
G-sync monitors cost $100+ more than FreeSync
G-sync is used by Nvidia
FreeSync for AMD and soon to be Intel graphics cards
prime jasper
wut
latent light
Freesync 2 is out
tepid river
I had freesync1 and its not that good
fast ether
hello my game is not saving and i tried to delete the PROSAVE file and rename the PROSAVE_tmp it worked one time but then not. anybody can help me plz?
prime jasper
try to uninstall and reinstall the game