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i only do multiplier
@narrow fable no overclocking for whomst?
Mister Grim Ace over here
why is that?
its probably 4+2
^
4 for vcore, one for iGPU, two for SOC
4+3 is good enough for Ryzen5
I was aboot to say that
Ryzen5 doesn't take much
It's not an X chip
wouldn't matter if it was an X chip
So there's no base clock overclocking
strong VRMs > amount of phases
X chips just have XFR
You can change BLCK on non X CPUs 
8+ phases are for enthusiast level overclocking
BLCK?
base clock
and even a 9900k doesn't need more than strong 8 phase even for XOC
You know what isn't neat
The Z390 Godlike 
14 phases for vcore is worthless
and your $600 motherboard doesn't even have a PLX chip or any XOC features anyways
This years gpus and cpus are all just disappointments
RTX
Fail
9th gen intel
Fail
but Zen+ wasn't a fail
and the 9900 is great for performance just not price to performance
RTX is a flop
you can't say something failed if it's still in the process of doing what it was supposed to
wait until next gen and make a conclusion
yes it is
Nah
RTX features were a flop
they were
It's not real ray tracing
I mean
ray tracing is unuseable
Its not even close
RTX cards are the same price or very similar to 10 series cards before their price hikes
1080 was $535
before the 1080ti went OOS
2080ti 1400 dolla
and 1080ti is just a bit better than the 2070
1070 was like $350
and 2070 is 500
There is no 1070 equivalent
2060
you're comparing 1070 to 2070
The 1080ti outperforms the 2080
I'm comparing them based on performance
and you can compare the generational
There's no excuse for the 500 dolla increase in price between the 1080ti and 2080ti
there are a few examples where the 1080ti is slightly stronger but overall on average the 2080 is better
I've only found one game where the 2080 performs better
The 2080ti should be $800-900 tops
And thats battlefield
Afaik 2xxx series performs better at higher res
Literally every other game I've played i use my 1080ti
Like 1440p and 4k
you have a 1080ti and a 2080?
Yeeeeeeees
Turing overclocks farther than Pascal
Best investment ever
and GDDR6 goes a lot farther than GDDR5X
Wtf
why?
Rendering

??
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I'm so confused
Workstations don't need identical GPUs
2080 murders a 1080ti in blender
Oh
So u have both for workstation use
Okay
And yeah that's what I mean the 2xxx cards scale better at higher res
Really i bought it over a second 1080 ti to try out ray tracing
Yep
I dont do any rendering and stuff so idk
Just gaming 
Other than that a massively overpowered shitposter
yeah well a single 2080ti struggles with 'ray tracing'
Spend the other 80% of my time not gaming on discord or reddit
And other 20% for office use
as in it fucks your FPS over for no real gains
the gain is raytracing
Yeah
wow fancy reflections I won't notice
Rtx is a meme
for 60fps instead of 120fps
don't buy RTX cards if you don't want raytracing
Well
raytracing will 100% be the future of graphics though
If u have $$$$
well no
just might not be ready now
Why not
RTX is NOT ray tracing

There's no point buying a ray tracing card to use ray tracing in rendering shet either
Wow
besides RTing
people overlook DLSS
Eh
DLSS is AA
One of my scenes took 79 hours
Holy fuck
Would have taken*
What do u render
You keep referencing the 2080ti's price
i wouldn't.
Just hobby?
Had i not realised i was rendering it on the cpu
2070 and 2080 are much more reasonable comparisons
All hobby xd
RTX features like 'ray tracing' only count on the 2080ti
2070 shouldn't even have access to them
How much time on the gpu?
2080 is going to die
5
and actual ray tracing takes server racks ages to render scenes
What are u rendering tho
CUDA is insanely good at rendering
Like what stuff
so they why bother
because it's still a big improvement
don't insert personal preferences into objective talk
Um
Ever seen what happens when you take a realistic looking 3D person and add 6000 hairs to every single face?
Your fps went from 140 to 70
and wait for it
yes
From off to low
yes
1080p 60hz on a fucking $500 GPU is not acceptable
That's massive
not acceptable, to you
to anyone
Fair
1080p on top of the line hardware is bullshit
again, that personal bias is going to make you unreasonable
It honestly isnt acceptable
Someone on 60hz monitor might not care
learn to remove it
Sorry the 2080ti is built for 4k
^
For me personally its not worth it
The 2080 is a good card for 1440p
Cause I want fps
not fucking 1080p
It's also built for RT high no lower resolutions
Still think the performance hit is too high tho
The next step in graphics is 4k
Literally the only reason people buy the xx80 ti cards
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not ray tracing
just like how a 1070ti can do 1440p 75-100hz but also smooth 1080p 144hz-165hz
cards can do multiple things
uh yeah a 2080ti is overkill for 1080p
Fuck around
just a little
๐คท this discussion is going nowhere though
you are defending nvidia
My advice is to speak objectively and not in personal preferences
for being shitty
I'm curious
I've added more stuff than hair

How many people buy a $500-1300 GPU for 1080p 60hz monitors?
Idk I'm just curious man Haha

I want to know who
I'm giving u permission to self promote
Oof
Because I personally did buy a 1080 with a 1080p monitor, but I fully intend to upgrade to a 1440p monitor
I would not have bought it nor recommend doing so if you are going to play at 1080p
1080 is great for 1080p 144hz in AAA titles
Those reflections add way less to the game then playing at 4k
thats part of its use
You know what else is great?
1440p 144hz
Which is fully possible on a 2080 / 2080ti
1080p ultra < 1440p low
@red ingot
Hi
Do you know
I have a feeling you only own a 1080p 144hz monitor
No
What a furry is?

Ah
Thicc hair
I'm saying it's preference

Which it is

That's a cold hard fact
I'm also wondering why
and its a cold hard fact that you don't need more than an RX580 for 1080p 60hz
So $200
Or pics
RX580 can't RT
Idk

so not comparable ๐
Idk how much it takes
4 hours a frame
If i tried to animate these
its not ray tracing
Sending here
ray tracing would run at less than 1fps if actually sent into BFV 

@steep gust
Inb4 ban
Ever wonder why animation studios have massive supercomputers?
That's real ray tracing
Naaaa
If you head to my twitter
I'm curious
Which would be..
Nsfw
yea its not there
u liar

bait
Tis
While that video is brute forcing path tracing instead of using the cores for it, it still shows how far out the tech actually is for consumers
Here
Also developers have to support and add ray tracing, while resolution increases are leagues easier
and don't involve dividing your playerbase
alphaPRS has left the server
You could do 4k on an AMD GPU
@narrow fable
I mean

if you consider GPU features to be dividng the playerbase
no u

I don't think there's a game that doesn't do that
Can't use shadowplay with an AMD card
can't use freesync with Nvidia
etc
You can run Nvidia's ray tracing without an RTX card btw
AMD GPUs users aren't going to get mad because they can't RT
you can use freesync with nivida
you can hack it yes
no
you literally just need a 2400g
But prepare for .6 fps
yes, hacking it
not official use
Its literally changing a few settings
@steep gust Ryzen 5 3600G + Nvidia GPU + FreeSync monitor
i can only wait so long
Wel then go shower u musky husky
Dang I missed some juicy debate... But its ok I did not have any popcorn either
Just to clarify DLSS is not anti-aliasing per se, it is a technic used to gain larger resolution by rendering smaller source and upscaling
thicc
Im on phone, dont want to write out everything properly
technicc
Autocorrect ples?
autocorrect
although
autocorrect would probably make it something completely different
at least for me, cause autocorrect hates me
2018, and use autocorrect, what are you? Americans?
and puts in the worst words at the worst times
I'm irish

ive assumed you're american
Im finnish
Nokia, torille!
I assumed you are dr phil
Not alpha 
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DLSS can make 1440p look like 4K
But ye, dlss would make it possible for game engines to render at some specific optimized size like 1080p, use smaller textures etc for even faster rendering. And eventually upscale to 4k
while being less demanding than 4K
That is the main point of it, not anti-aliasing
They train the system running 1080p and 4k resolutions and then patch the training data, so the game can be run with dlss
isn't dlss bad tho
i saw a vid by gamersnexus
where he compared dlss
and it was flickering for some parts
and he said it still needs some work
Its not same as native render+aa
Point is you could disable lot of stuff that needs to be done when dlss is enabled
But most likely the source is rendered with max settings which get negated by the dlss
Not entirely sure though, dont have supported title
sorry im not following lol
like
are u saying that dlss is not really doing anything?
cause i mean watching dlss on/off i can't really see any big dif tbh
For 4k you need larger texture etc, for dlss 4k you can use lesser texture to gain "similar" effect at 4k
@red ingot well.. you'd need a display that is actually at 4k to see the difference
or whatever res DLSS is upscaling to
DLSS is worthless
just like how you aren't going to see a difference between 60hz and 240hz if you have a 60hz monitor
DLSS is literally only AA right now, and its not even good AA
i see
It is not AA
I wouldn't use AA at 4K
Unless I'm on a big screen
Its AA
quit reading the marketing material and look at the games that have it
Oh and anyways super sampling is AA
1080p on a 20" screen looks as good as 4K on a 32" screen
Smaller the screen, smaller the pixels will be
Which is why it's hard to tell the difference between 1080p and 1440 on a smartphone with a 5" screen
hm
and is also why 1080p 27" monitors suck
Yep
1080p 24" > 1080p 27"
yeah no
i know that
but in terms of PPI 4k still has higher on 32" than 1080p on 20"
1080 24" = 1440p 27"
Super sampling is not AA, it might be "similar" results but AA by definition is about to reduce the pixelation of sharp lines, super sampling is about increasing resolution of smaller image source
@sonic osprey Do you know about Ambient occlusion?
4K on 27" looks really sharp and wont need AA
specifically the differences between SBAO and HBAO?
@buoyant rover nope
4K on 32" may need AA if you are a huge image quality enthusiast
My 27 4k monitor looks bad ass
4K 27" is the sweet spot for pixel density
and fuck anything bigger than 27" for monitors anyways imo
bigger than that is impractial
cause u sit so close
(or at least i do...)
27 4k 144hz โค๏ธ
for a tv bigger makes sense
Pure love
Yeah 24" to 27" is the good size range
but heck im still using a 32" tv
i can't imagine putting something equivalent size on my desk
1 foot infront of me
not even
49" samsung ftw
@sonic osprey to quote you
definition is about to reduce the pixelation of sharp lines
super sampling is about increasing resolution of smaller image source
Super sampling renders at a higher resolution then reduces it to get a cleaner, sharper, and better image quality
It does the same as AA, and was the first form of AA
Supersampling is a spatial anti-aliasing method, i.e. a method used to remove aliasing (jagged and pixelated edges, colloquially known as "jaggies") from images rendered in computer games or other computer programs that generate imagery
For a TV?
i mean a massive 75" would be cool
but i feel like smaller would be better
and yes for a tv
not a monitor lool
55" monitor 
2 27 inch 1440p monitors here
nice
have a 50inch 4k tv but don't use it for games
You ever used a 60" 1080p TV as a monitor? Looks gross
i have a couple (2) extra 24" 1080p monitors that i don't have room for on this desk 
oh god i bet
It's like taking a typical monitor and cutting the resolution in half
its so pretty but sitting on the floor
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all my rgb is installed now tho
+50fps
Main reason why i bought a bigger desk
@steep gust dlss is about rendering smaller source and upscaling with deep learning, not to render larger images to be downscaled
but im moving outta here soon anyways ๐คท
75 oled?
oh 75"

link
more for curiousity, i aint buying for another year
who knows what they'll have out in 1 year
OLED has short life expectancy right?
does it?
well shit i don't want short life expectancy
i aint spending a buttload on a nice tv just for it to die
No, it is SS only done when training the material when they teach the system how to upscale
i aint upgrading that tv until 8k is the norm
There is no AA happening with running game with dlss
8K is barely noticeable compared to 4K
Just to teach the system yeah, when running the game there is only upscaling, so no "AA"
oh well
@red ingot Its all good now the old died fast
4k does look super good
Unless you have a 100"
8k vs 4k is not even worth if only if you get like Cinema size
cause the pixels are so small
like past a certain PPI the eye can't see?
Wana hear the greatest joke i ever heard?
gonna be leagues better than "ray tracing"
4k gamning is the norm
4K 240hz monitor by 2020 maybe
4k gaming is not the norm
Someone said we'd be getting 8k VR headsets
Just Gotta drop Them v buks
a $1300 GPU is not normally affordable

nor is a $2000 monitor 
Csgo wont be hard to run at 4K 240hz
Its worh it for me

4K 240hz monitor by 2020 maybe
I guess
what
This Grim
u sir are optimistic
Is getting some pings
If Only
4K 144hz already exists
4k 240hz with 300 fps
Gimme 1440p 240hz tho
Tbh, where is 1440p 240hz
4 144hz doesn't exist without down sampling
@red ingot
hi
and you will need whatever is after the 2080ti

1 2080ti= 60-70fps
Probably a 3080ti since Nvidia is Nvidia
in sli
2 2080ti= 100fps
eh no
2180 Ti
a single 2080ti can do 4k 100fps
@narrow fable i sit around 85 to 130 in 4k 144hz
Depending on the game and setting
2200Ti
In wot
you don't need AA for 4k
CS?
so that is ez fps

Bfv
u fucking wot m8
Only when Pro
so its plausible
SLI can do 100fps+
Yeah
@narrow fable just google it
There is reviews of it
Its jumps alot trough
But you get from 85fps to 130
All settings max
No Ray
I Got the Asus strix card 2080ti
there's a strix 2080ti?
Where is the Galax Hall of Fame 2080 Ti?
Here you go
Such a beeyutiful card
Hall of Fame is the best cards
I dunno
That my card โค๏ธ
That Geforce 256 seems hella lit rn
beautiful
it has a waterblock on it
I think the 1080 Ti HOF looks better
but hey
That one is bad ass
HOF have the best PCB and VRMs
if you could afford to fly to like Taiwan
You got free LN2
to benchmark
thing is
VRM means jackshit with power limits
@latent light come with me to Taiwan
event is over
Omg
and ln2 is cheap
you can only find HOF in used condition
yeah cus they only made like 100
even then, people aren't selling them prob
We fly to Taiwan and tell to give us 2 Or we burn the building Down @latent light
You with me
1080 Ti HOF with the triple fan cooler stays under 50C under OC load lmfao
Also the FTW3 has the highest power limit out of all consumer 2080ti
So just buy one
slap a waterblock on
and ez 2100mhz
the 2080ti ftw3 looks like shit
my 1080ti sc2 doesnt get above 70c
Same
but its not that loud
and never goes past ~70c which is nice
my 780ti used to get up to about 85
When i play bfv it runs at 50% and at 60
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@latent light RTX ends with the 2070
2060 will have RTX too
Very much doubt that
buildzoid rambles a lot
and the 2070 can't really do 'ray-tracing' so if the 2060 has RTX it will only be DLSS
yeah pretty sure DLSS will only be useful on it
Tbh There is No games out There with Ray tracing engine
real-time ray tracing isn't an engine
blender isn't an game
Tis in my mind
the third 8-pin connector on the HOF edition is absolutely useless
Unless you're doing dry ice OC
two 8-pins can handle 300W and that's without adding in the PCI-E slot
uh yeah even with DICE
two 8 pin is enough
A single 8 pin can do like 150-200w
then add 75w from the PCIe slot
can't PCI-E handle over 75W for a short period
LN2 may need the third 8-pin connector, 1080 Ti HOF can peak around 700 watts if doing LN2 overclocking lol
Someone send me a pentium 2 pls
heavy overclocking though
that will also quickly kill the gpu
1.2v is bad on a gpu and will kill it
that is like
1.4v+
yeah stuff has gotten more efficient
I've put 1.6v into my cpu
1.617 to be precise
I mean
y u do dis
BECAUSE
am i the only normal person
but it doesn't do shit short term
that doesn't want to go out and buy a new cpu
I managed to get a 5.4 OC at 1.49
that and i want my parts to have some resale vaue
I thought my motherboard was broken when I got it, it would use 1.42v to auto boost my 1600 to 3.9 GHz
Got me a 5.9
yeah it self overclocks
Just take off the heat spreader
I thought you said you had a regular 1600
but I have a manual overclock on it now
stock cooler
I'm talking about my 1600
rite of fucking passage
it was the bomb in 2012
did I ever say 1600X?
we've been over this
well the 1600x is the one with XFR @latent light
if it didn't look ugly
1600 shouldn't have any auto-oc features
but i got an AIO instead cause it looks nicer
then why the hell did my motherboard self overclock it to 3.9 GHz at 1.42v
I have a hyper 212 in my closet
maybe you have some feature I don't know about
1.42v is kinda edge of safe for rzyen 1


no
My dud
I have it manually set to 3.8 GHz now at 1.375v with stock cooler lmao
1.42v is around the max I would recommend
With the furry gifs
max temp is like 82C
1.5v will kill it
1.5 is perfectly fine
Asus recommends only 1.42v for 14nm Intel
I have me an 8700k that's been hit with 1.6
Very tru
I'm running 1.46 at the moment

If it dies
It'll force me to get a 1950x
I see no downside
@steep gust for just a quick run or all time use?
normal usage should never go above 1.4v
that's AMD's recommended max
in fact I've heard 1.375v as well but I know 1.4v is fine
quick runs is fine
long term 1.42v will not be safe on Rzyen 2 and I know people who have degraded their CPU's
I have never seen proof of actual conclusive evidence done
^
Same as liquid metal destroying your cpu die
and it degraded
I've never seen proof
I'll believe it when i see it is all I'm saying
Personally I jsut stay within AMD's guidelines
well one person claiming what liquid metal can do that is clearly bullshit is different than AMD's guidelines
I have my 1600 manually set to 3.8 GHz now at 1.375
ffs
50% packet loss since last night's storms
takes a website like 30 seconds to open
takes 10 seconds to send a discord message

nah, had terrible storm last night, power went out for 10 minutes and when it came back on, internet was really slow
ping went from 30 to 120
download speed from 3 to 1.4
it's still slow
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doesnt this guy only do rumors?
it's proven at this point
why does 3GB still exist
4GB should be the minimum
it's almost 2019

shipping dates for 2060 is January 15th
What?
They're still including the 3GB?!
That's actually a scam
I don't think there's a AAA game I play that uses less than 3GB of vram
Battlefield V will use less than 2GB at low settings
overwatch as an AAA tittle and a well optimised while gaming uses less than 1.5GB vram in max settings at 1080p
rainbow six siege with ultra hd textue pack pulls out 8gb of ram easily.
heh i used that special packing for 1080p default for nearly max settings 6~ gb vram used and still got 100+ fps on my 580
Why would you even get a 2060?
I'm guessing its even weaker than a 2070 due to numbering scheme but?..
So we can have 1070 performance with RTX support for like 2 games, for the price of a 1080ti I'm guessing ?
Am I missing something here, I need to watch this video
uh what
a 2070 is like $500
so logically a 2060 should be like $350
and hopefully be more like a 1070ti
I expect 30% higher performance than a 1060
like how 2070 is 30% faster than 1070
2080 30% faster than 1080
and so on
Hello! I got a question, i've lately wanted to play some BF3 after a long time again.... but i always get an error message about my DirectX i think?... I've reinstalled the game several times also platted my windows and set it up from 0%- 100% again but i still get the same Error and the youtube tutorials are also all successless... Does anyone know a way to fix that issue?;;
download the right direct x ?
idk ;; i've installed the one in the origin games / Battlefield 3 folder
okay!








