technology

[crisp shoal]

i7-6700

[storm osprey]

i mean, that shouldnt be a problem in anything other than bfv

but bfv is an outlier

[prime jasper]

I just got a HDD without a data cable

[storm osprey]

hdd doesnt come with cable

it comes with mb

[steep gust]

storage doesn't come with SATA cables

[fickle fulcrum]

Anyone here on pc have an issue where it like the character slows down for a second and then everything works again?

My framerate is usually in the 100s as well

[storm osprey]

i have that at the beginning of games or when i just spawn in

[fickle fulcrum]

Dang, it only occurs for me while I'm playing and randomly

[storm osprey]

very rarely does it happen when im in the middle of a game

i mean, spawning in is in the middle of it

but that seems to be the only time it happens

[fickle fulcrum]

Okay cool glad I'm not the only one haha

Thanks!

It does occur more towards the beginning of games now that i think about it

[molten bramble]

Anyone have curved monitors for their setup?

[fickle fulcrum]

I have the aw 34 monitor that's slightly curved

[storm osprey]

yea i wouldnt get curved unless i was getting into 30"+ screens

[molten bramble]

Looking at. 27” curved Samsung at the moment

[fickle fulcrum]

I dunno my old monitor was 27 inch g sync dell one that goes on sale often and that was good enough

Not sure if you need a curved display at that size

[storm osprey]

dell s2716dg

[molten bramble]

The 24” isn’t curved, but 27” is

[fickle fulcrum]

Yep that's the model haha

[molten bramble]

24” seems a bit small for me.

[fickle fulcrum]

What resolution are you playing at

@molten bramble

[storm osprey]

i highly recommend the dell s2716dg

[molten bramble]

1080p as I have been using an LED television for awhile as a dual purpose for the guest room where the system lives.

[mental hatch]

just get one of those huge 40" monitors and run 2 games at once

[molten bramble]

I’ve got a secondary Sony monitor next to it.

[storm osprey]

if youre main purpose is gaming, get the dell

[fickle fulcrum]

If your gpu is good enough for 1440p,that Dell model he suggested is great

[storm osprey]

gsync is incredible

[molten bramble]

That dell isn’t available here

I’m in a store with a limited selection

[storm osprey]

ouch

gsync

anything with gsync lol

i couldnt go back to non gsync

[fickle fulcrum]

Haha I have had several g sync monitors but always leave it off

[storm osprey]

WHAT?1

what kind of blasphemy is that

[fickle fulcrum]

There's input lag I feel when it's on

[molten bramble]

I have a 1050Ti in the system at the moment

[fickle fulcrum]

And framerates go down quite a bit from my experience with it on

[storm osprey]

it increases input lag by like 13 ms or something like that

fps shouldnt be affected

i use mine for gaming and havent had problems

1440p and gsync

[molten bramble]

I might just buy another TV then since there isn’t much selection here

[fickle fulcrum]

I think some newer games idk if it's a bug with game or gpu but I noticed my framerate went down with it on

A TV has more input lag though compared to a monitor

[storm osprey]

^

typically

some tvs are solid now

[molten bramble]

That’s true, but since the room is dual purpose, having a TV in there isn’t a bad gig.

A 4-series 32” Samsung goes for $199

Sorry, 5-series

4-series is $169

[fickle fulcrum]

And if you are playing battlefield with the 1050ti,i would stick to 1080p for more frames

[molten bramble]

SF350 24” Monitor goes for $169

[steep gust]

gsync shouldn't be adding input lag or reducing FPS

[molten bramble]

Ohhh

[storm osprey]

gsync does increase input lag, but shouldnt reduce fps

[molten bramble]

They have the MSI optix mag27C here oddly enough

[steep gust]

but a noticeable amount, no

Generally the advantages out weight the dis-advantages

[storm osprey]

right, as i said and iirc input gsync increases input lag by 13ms

it was something that was very, very, very minor

[steep gust]

also monitor response time is meaningless

[molten bramble]

Haven’t seen this before

[fickle fulcrum]

Let me test later then as I've always left it off for battlefield but I know some games it dropped or capped my fps when I enabled g sync, could be a bug with the game itself though

[steep gust]

Most likely a TN panel

boo

It should cap your FPS at the monitor refresh rate

[molten bramble]

Another possibility

That’s a g-sync/240Hz Monitor

The only other options here are Acer monitors, and they have plenty of those in stock

[steep gust]

240hz is hard af to run

like a 1050ti isn't gonna cut it at all

[molten bramble]

It’ll run, just not great. But, would be future proofing for the upgrade in 2019.

[steep gust]

1440p 144hz > 1080p 240hz

[sonic osprey]

For bfv 240fps, get 2x 2080ti, ez

[storm osprey]

i pref resolution

getting rid of jaggies is awesome

though 24" 1080p isnt far off in ppi compared to 27" 1440p

[zinc bolt]

guys what is your opinion about those three monitors Acer Predator XB271HUA - Asus Rog Swift PG278QR and Dell S2716DG ? I am thinking of picking one of those for Gsync and 1440p 144hz i would like your opinion if possible as i am reading too many comments on internet people complaining about almost every monitor...

[storm osprey]

IF these are the monitors im thinking of, the dell is way cheaper but only slightly worse

you can get the dell commonly for 350

[zinc bolt]

On my country the have the same price all of those

so i am about which one i should pick

i play bfv atm 1080p with 1080ti so i was thinking of moving to 1440p as my graphic card is good enough and i play moba and mmo games also

[storm osprey]

if they are the same price i would get the asus rog

here its always the most expensive

[steep gust]

I would get the one with best colors

Check them yourself

oh and if one is ips then get that one

[storm osprey]

i wouldnt trust that, the dell has SHIT calibration out of box

[steep gust]

They all use the same panel

[storm osprey]

none of them are ips

[steep gust]

Ye same panel

1440p 165hz

[storm osprey]

right, id go asus

[steep gust]

I wouldn't go Asus just because it cost more normally

[storm osprey]

normally, but he said its the same price

[latent light]

it's impossible to notice the difference between a 5ms and 1ms monitor

it's snake oil

@sonic osprey SLI sucks in Battlefield, although average fps is higher, it sees more frametime spikes than a single card

which means more stutter

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NynXieDmhsU

look at the frametime graph

[storm osprey]

sli sucks in general

[latent light]

game devs don't care about SLI/crossfire anymore which is sad

[steep gust]

frametime spikes are fine when small and you have gsync

and he clearly did that with RTX features on

which fucks your fps over

[latent light]

how can you tell he is using it

I'm sure 1080 SLI will get higher average fps than a 2080 Ti in any game that supports SLI

[steep gust]

I know right

[latent light]

in games that support SLI, GTX 1070 SLI will beat a 1080 Ti

[steep gust]

uh no

technically any non DX12 game supports SLI

and very few games then have proper DX12 to support multi GPU

and they see scaling

Generally SLI scaling is less than 50%, and a 1080ti crushes a 1070

[latent light]

[steep gust]

two games

=/= all

[latent light]

i didn't say all

[steep gust]

in games that support SLI

almost all games do

[latent light]

hardly

a lot of games only see 30% scaling

which means they weren't optimized for SLI very well

games with good SLI optimization, 1070 SLI will beat a 1080 Ti

[steep gust]

uh yeah any scaling = support

Building your engine to support SLI (AFR) means you just have extra money

[latent light]

feels like before the GTX 600 series, SLI optimization was really good

[sonic osprey]

Rtx nvlink should be better than sli, but really its just sli anyway

[prime jasper]

I would never go for SLI since it often does not work that well since many titles do not really support it

[sonic osprey]

You dont go for sli, because its supported or better, you go for it because its baller setup

[storm osprey]

you only go sli when got money to blow

so you get 2-3 top of the line cards

unless you get that rare scenario where you can get your card again later at a MUCH cheaper price that makes it worth it

[steep gust]

NVLink on RTX IS SLI

[sonic osprey]

Has someone said anything else?

[steep gust]

Calling it NVLink makes it sound like its the Quadro style NVLink

[latent light]

NVLink and SLI are the same thing for RTX series?

could have sworn people talking about it having better scaling

[steep gust]

It has more bandwidth

but its exactly the same core concept

[sonic osprey]

Well nvlink should work better than traditional sli, as it should be more scalable and no master/slave coding is required from application

[steep gust]

Okay this is what NVLink is

[sonic osprey]

Or namely the new "nvlink" on rtx cards

[steep gust]

a SLI bridge

with more bandwidth for the physical bridge

It doesn't create one virtual GPU like it does on Quadros

Also those bridges are like $600 and fucking huge

[red ingot]

What

Its $600

For the bridge

[sonic osprey]

Interesting, have to double check my sources

[red ingot]

Scuse me

[steep gust]

https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/design-visualization/quadro-store/

Scroll down

The RTX bridge does 80GB/s

[red ingot]

Huh

Yeah theres a few different bridges

I guess for more bandwidth u pay more

And those cards are like 8k now

[steep gust]

No

[red ingot]

That's insane

Oh

[steep gust]

some of the bridges are locked to a GPU

[red ingot]

[steep gust]

The GV100 is $10,000

each

[red ingot]

ohhhhhh

I see

[steep gust]

and you can only use that bridge on that card

[red ingot]

Damn

That's a hefty price

[steep gust]

Its not meant for consumers

[red ingot]

But I guess you're already paying 10k for the gpu

Yeah no its workstation

But still Haha

$40 bridge vs $600

Big price jump % wise

[steep gust]

Different tech

[red ingot]

I suppose

Just isnt proportional

[steep gust]

NVLink on Quadros can combine VRAM into one pool

[red ingot]

Like the $5k cards are $80 bridges

[steep gust]

While NVLink on RTX is like

[red ingot]

10k cards are $600

[steep gust]

SLI

[red ingot]

Youd think its be like $150-200

🤷

[steep gust]

which SLI isn't needed for workstation usage anyways

[red ingot]

Yeah

Makes sense

I dont know much about workstation cards lol

Never gonna need one

[steep gust]

You mean you don't need an RTX Titan?

[latent light]

how could a consumer like me buy an AMD Epyc CPU

[steep gust]

newegg

[red ingot]

[latent light]

64-core Epyc CPU will be mine

[red ingot]

Rtx titan

[steep gust]

buying a server with them

[red ingot]

Meme card

[steep gust]

its good for workstation usage

For gaming its functionally a 2080ti with like 100 more cuda cores and if you can't look at a spec sheet and assume performance you are special

[latent light]

server CPUs operate at low clocks for efficiency right

[steep gust]

ye

[latent light]

which is why most server CPUs are under 3 GHz

[steep gust]

yeah they need the core count not the clocks

[latent light]

Threadripper is close to server level lol

2990WX underclocked to 3 GHz or less could work as a server cpu

[steep gust]

uh the 2990WX is pretty much a server cpu

because it is

eypc = threadripper

[latent light]

it doesn't user server ram though

[steep gust]

pretty sure it supports ecc memory

[latent light]

threadripper performs better in games whenever you disable a lot of the cores lol

[steep gust]

ye it does

and it does support ecc

[latent light]

"Game Mode" in Ryzen Master specifically targets threadripper and it disables half the cores for gaming

[steep gust]

disables the two dies without direct access to memory on the 2990WX

[prime jasper]

Nevertheless I would never buy a Threadripper for gaming only 😄

[latent light]

never buy Xeon or Threadripper for gaming

can almost say the same for i9

[steep gust]

eh

a lot of older Xeons are fine for budget

[latent light]

saw a 6-core Xeon for $50 on ebay lol

[steep gust]

ECC DDR3 is cheap

[latent light]

hard to find a motherboard that works though

[steep gust]

eh depends on the socket

[latent light]

do you think it's weird that Zen 2 could have Ryzen 3 with 6 cores/12 threads for $100

[steep gust]

I doubt the leaks

[latent light]

they are confirmed

[steep gust]

but I mean the Rzyen 1200 is cheap

and no the announcement is at CES 2019

[latent light]

leaks these days are just early reveal

[steep gust]

yeah

Where is my 5.3ghz 9900k on air

[latent light]

Intel 9th gen leaks were pinpoint accurate months before reveal

[steep gust]

not really

and the 9900k was easy

[sonic osprey]

Too bad the AM4 socket limits the cpus they can bring on it, you have to get TR mobo to gain full benefits of ryzen 3000

[latent light]

Threadripper 2nd gen leaks were perfectly correct like 4 months before AMD revealed them

[steep gust]

Uh yeah have you seen the size of TR2?

and threadripper 2 leaks also weren't accurate

I saw nothing about the memory bandwidth issues

[sonic osprey]

AM4 can only do dual channel

[latent light]

they were accurate for the core count, clock speed, price, TDP and PCI-e lanes

[steep gust]

core count is ez

same with TDP and PCIe lanes

[latent light]

I'm certain Zen 2 leaks are accurate

Zen 2 was supposed to see higher core counts anyways

[steep gust]

Also the 9900k, etc was easy because manufacturers left them in BIOS updates

[latent light]

accidently?

[steep gust]

most likely an oversight

[latent light]

@sonic osprey gamers don't need more than dual channel anyways

[steep gust]

I'm pretty sure AM4 could do quad channel

Its just not worth the cost

[sonic osprey]

Nope it can not

[steep gust]

Source?

[latent light]

his ass

[sonic osprey]

Google it, im on phone

[steep gust]

Like from AMD

[latent light]

[steep gust]

yeah I can't find any source

just people saying "it doesn't help gaming and it cost more"

[sonic osprey]

Its about pin count on the socket

[steep gust]

Intel motherboards have the pins for quad channel, read that wrong

[latent light]

quad-channel only sees 5-10% higher performance than dual-channel in gaming

whereas dual channel sees over 20% than single

and like 50% more in games like BFV lol

[steep gust]

You can easily make your CPUs more efficient (node shrinks)

and then take power pins and make them memory

[latent light]

TSMC cost of Research and Development for 7nm was expensive but the manufacturing is cheap

[steep gust]

That applies to most things

[latent light]

yeah lol

7nm much cheaper to manufacture than 12nm/14nm

[sonic osprey]

No you can not go and change the socket layout 😂😂😂

[steep gust]

Yeah you can

and force a new chipset

[sonic osprey]

That would be really bad call

[steep gust]

Intel does it all the time

[latent light]

oof

[sonic osprey]

Nope

[steep gust]

See Z270 -> Z370

LGA1151 should be one massive chipset

[latent light]

and AM3 -> AM3+

[steep gust]

but nah gotta change the ground pins so you plug and play

[sonic osprey]

@latent light what I read is the manufacture costs are higher than estimates

[latent light]

I wonder when AMD will make the AM4+ socket

[steep gust]

2020

I mean they said AM4 is supported until 2020

But like

[latent light]

2020 is when DDR5 will probably come out

[steep gust]

just be like

Zen3 won't be backwards compatible ez

[sonic osprey]

If they gonna use AM4 socket, they are forced to its limitations in the pin layout

[steep gust]

Again, they can pull an Intel and redo the pin layout

[latent light]

this is the roadmap:
Zen, Zen+, Zen2, Zen 3, Zen3+

no Zen 2+

[sonic osprey]

Otherwise zillion law suits of fried up parts

[steep gust]

Its not hard

on the package

"Does not support X470"

Also the board just won't post without the right CPU

Nothing bad happens if you stick a 8700k in a Z270 board

[sonic osprey]

No they cannot do that, they need to make the chip not fit into the socket

[steep gust]

See Intel

[latent light]

I have Ryzen 5 1600, should I wait until 2020 to upgrade to Ryzen 4000 series?

[steep gust]

They got away without any issues

It depends

Why not wait until the Rzyen 5000 series?

[latent light]

[steep gust]

[sonic osprey]

Their point of supporting AM4 to 2020 is that people dont need to buy new mobos

[latent light]

I have B350 board, might just get a 3000 chip

[storm osprey]

ill be tempted between 3000 or 9th gen intel

[steep gust]

but I wouldn't stick a 3700x in a AB320 or whatever the cheap chipset is

[storm osprey]

gotta see how they stack

[steep gust]

Cus the VRMs on budget boards

are well

ass

and the memory support is ass

[sonic osprey]

There wont be amd chip available in 2019 q1 or q2 that beats 9900k

[storm osprey]

i dont want a 9900k

[sonic osprey]

Maybe in q3 or q4 if you also get new x399 moboand go for TR4 sockey

[steep gust]

3700x will crush the 9900k in multi core

[sonic osprey]

Maybe in 2020

[storm osprey]

im a gamer yo

[steep gust]

9700k then

or an 8600k for cheap

[storm osprey]

ill wait to see what amd offers

[steep gust]

you really don't need more than 6c for gaming

[storm osprey]

im in no rush

at the least amd will make intel drop prices again

[sonic osprey]

The flagship cpus will need TR4

[latent light]

Ryzen 7 3700X will crush 9900K while being $200 less

[sonic osprey]

[storm osprey]

in multicore maybe

not gaming

[steep gust]

nah Intel doesn't need to drop prices

its followers don't give a shit

and validate it somehow

[storm osprey]

well they quickly put out more cores

so they care

[latent light]

thing is, seeing around 15% higher IPC than previous Ryzen which will pull ahead of Intel by 5-10%

[steep gust]

Rzyen isn't than far behind Intel right now

[sonic osprey]

Intel can also release larger socket like amd TR4 to get more cored and more thermal surface

[latent light]

Ryzen 2000 IPC is only ~8% behind Intel 9th gen

[storm osprey]

thats one thing i dont get, why not just make cpus massive?

[steep gust]

and IPC isn't everything

There is issues with manufacturing larger dies

[latent light]

transistor density

[steep gust]

and considering that cores aren't always helpful

[storm osprey]

doesnt tr have unused area

[steep gust]

Plenty of people have said the core count race doesn't help the consumers

[storm osprey]

doesnt that help with thermals

[latent light]

1 core used to be enough

[steep gust]

good soldering helps more

[latent light]

then 2 cores were enough

[steep gust]

Issue is scaling

[latent light]

and 4 cores were enough

[steep gust]

going from 4c to 8c is fucking hard on developers

[latent light]

now we have games that can 100% use 6 cores

[steep gust]

and 4c is still enough

[storm osprey]

enough

but we already see games that do perform better on 6c

[steep gust]

duh

[sonic osprey]

There just needs to be 1 or 2 cores at 6ghz,and rest can be like 3ghz

[steep gust]

You always have an outliner

also clock speed isn't everything

see FX

[storm osprey]

outlier doesnt mean thats not where we are going

its not an indication thats where we are going either

just saying

[sonic osprey]

Bfv runs butter smooth on 9900k

[storm osprey]

shits already here that could use 6c

[steep gust]

uh yeah

when something like 70% of gamers have a 4c CPU

the industry is gonna be mostly built for 4c cpus

[storm osprey]

no one is arguing otherwise

[sonic osprey]

Its hard to get actual benefit from just cores, simultaneous threads is where it is at

[latent light]

optimization for 4 cores will be relevant for a while longer

but games will still see more benefit of 6-8 cores

[sonic osprey]

When they get AVX to games...

[latent light]

Ryzen 7 2700X gets higher fps than a Ryzen 5 2600X at same clock speed

2700X is 8 core, 2600X is 6 core

so games can take advantage of more than 6 cores

[steep gust]

a 2600x is just a cut down 2700x

[latent light]

all CPUs of the same generation are cut-down variants lol

[steep gust]

generally yes

[latent light]

even goes for GPUs as well

[steep gust]

eh

no

1080ti was a different die than a 1080

[latent light]

RTX Titan is the same die as 2080 Ti

[steep gust]

yes

Titan Xp is the same as a 1080ti

[latent light]

does the 1070 and 1080 share same die

GP104

or whatever

it's called

[steep gust]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

Think so

but I doubt the 1030 is the same as a 1080

[latent light]

that principle applies more for CPUs anyway

9900k, 9700k, 9600k are all the same die

Ryzen 2600, 2600X, 2700, 2700X are all the same

it all depends on binning

2700X could clock higher than the 2700 in the foundry, so they give it a higher base/boost

applies for every Intel and AMD CPU of the same gen

the reason low core counts exist is because a core was defective so they disable 2 and call it a 2600X (still using ryzen as example)

[latent light]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q13t_r8o4rY

not bad

[steep gust]

@jovial arch If you really want to stick to Intel, then a 9700k is the best gaming CPU right now

[buoyant rover]

@jovial arch Thats just liquid cooling btw

[steep gust]

but its expensive and not really worth it

[buoyant rover]

call that shit water cooling again and I'll scalp your nuts

[steep gust]

what

an AIO is water cooling

[buoyant rover]

liquid

cooling

[steep gust]

cut it open

wow water

[buoyant rover]

sure

drink the shit that comes out

[steep gust]

its water

[buoyant rover]

if you live you can call it water cooling

[steep gust]

with a ton of nickel

and aluminum inside of it

oh and anti corrosion stuff

[buoyant rover]

propylene glycol

[jovial arch]

Okay what's up

Uhm

I might got for an 9

[buoyant rover]

anyway buy 8th, 9th, or ryzen @jovial arch

[steep gust]

Zen 2 boyo

[buoyant rover]

probably just wait for Zen2

[jovial arch]

What's wrong with Zen 1?

[steep gust]

If leaks are even semi accurate is going to fucking crush 9th gen for price to performance

[buoyant rover]

Well Zen1 is the 1600/1700 etc

[steep gust]

Zen 1 and Zen+ is great

[buoyant rover]

and they're fine but getting older while newer stuff is coming out

[jovial arch]

I remember last time I was gonna upgrade everyone told me to wait for Zen hahahah

[steep gust]

but Zen 2 is around the corner

[jovial arch]

I mean

[steep gust]

like getting announced next month and should be out soonTM

[buoyant rover]

I hate getting into rumors

[jovial arch]

I'll just get top of the line Zen?

[buoyant rover]

but the idea is that Zen2 is 7nm

[steep gust]

2600x / 2700x

[jovial arch]

Oh it is

[buoyant rover]

and is supposed to be very close to Intel single core performance

[jovial arch]

Wtf

[steep gust]

Zen2 is gonna be 7nm

[latent light]

Zen 2 comes out shortly after CES 2019 which is next month

[steep gust]

TSMC has the node done

[jovial arch]

Are you fr about the 7

Or is that a rumor

[latent light]

7nm has been confirmed 3 years ago

[steep gust]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zen_2

[latent light]

[buoyant rover]

We don't know that @latent light

"Shortly" could be in october

[steep gust]

in 2017

[latent light]

Apple already has 7nm

[steep gust]

Intel has its head up its ass when it comes to chip production

Most manufacturers have working 7nm nodes

Samsung, TSMC, Apple, and Global Foundries had it but dropped it

SK Hynix and Micron will probably have 7nm soonTM

[latent light]

@buoyant rover high end Zen 2 processors (Ryzen 9 and Ryzen 7) come out in January, Ryzen 3 and 5 come out Q2 and APUs Q3

[jovial arch]

Intel still hasn't hit the 7nm

Afaik

[steep gust]

Intel has done it

[buoyant rover]

Yeah but I would not base shit on that

[steep gust]

It has terrible yields

[buoyant rover]

Until AMD announce something, just sit tight

[jovial arch]

I wanna play v so badly thoooo

[steep gust]

We know its getting announced at Computex

[buoyant rover]

unless they did and I missed it

[jovial arch]

I bet I could get the hookup for a top ryzen if I wanted to

[steep gust]

and that I would expect the flagship to follow shortly after

[jovial arch]

I think I'm gonna do that

2600x

[steep gust]

I would get a 2600x / 2700x if you are going Rzyen

[buoyant rover]

You can use a B450 or X470 board now for Zen2 @jovial arch

[steep gust]

Both are still amazing CPUs

[latent light]

waiting for the Ryzen 5 3600 to come out tbh

[jovial arch]

Hmm

[buoyant rover]

I have a 1600

[steep gust]

You will need to update the BIOS of a X470 or B450 board to work on Zen2

[jovial arch]

So hot am4

[latent light]

I got a 1600 too

[jovial arch]

Not

[buoyant rover]

I doubt I gain shit from going to Zen2

so I'll probably wait for 4600

assuming that's what it's called

[steep gust]

I mean it really depends on your usage

[jovial arch]

How many cores does the 1600 have?

[steep gust]

6c 12t

[jovial arch]

What's ur frame rate on bfv

[latent light]

Zen 2 will be the last gen that supports AM4

I bet

[steep gust]

Probably

[jovial arch]

Oh wait

[buoyant rover]

I mean it definitely is

[latent light]

Zen 3 will be AM4+

[steep gust]

AMD will want more pins

[buoyant rover]

but I'm just going to buy another board like a smart fella

[steep gust]

PCIe 4.0 is coming

[buoyant rover]

not like my current board is good anyway

[jovial arch]

Ur telling me zen2 will be am4?

[steep gust]

DDR5 is coming

Zen2 is AM4

[jovial arch]

Okay that's a bet

[buoyant rover]

yes @jovial arch

[latent light]

Zen 2 will be AM4 yes

[steep gust]

Zen2 is supported until 2020

[buoyant rover]

you mean

[latent light]

DDR5 memory comes out 2020 for consumer use

[steep gust]

But I don't think Zen2+ is happening, so Zen3 in 2021

[buoyant rover]

AM4

[jovial arch]

I'm gonna get a 2600x now and then upgrade to Zen 2 when it comes out and it will only be a cpu upgrade and I'll already have everything else

[steep gust]

That works

[buoyant rover]

don't get a X then

just buy a regular 2600

[latent light]

Zen 3 might be in 2020

[jovial arch]

Okay

Thnx

[latent light]

and Zen 3+ 2021

[buoyant rover]

X chip isn't worth it if you're going to upgrade anyway

[jovial arch]

What frame rates do you guys get on 1600?

[buoyant rover]

I haven't checked

[jovial arch]

I just need something to play bfv until zen2

[steep gust]

I mean if its only like $20 more for the x CPU

[buoyant rover]

my CPU outpaces my 1060 though

[steep gust]

then buy it

[buoyant rover]

It's $50 more lately

[steep gust]

Then just overclock a 2600 to become a 2600x

[latent light]

Ryzen 5 1600 and RX 580 8GB, I get around 90-95 fps on average with 0.1% lows of 80 on BFV ultra settings 1080p

3000 MHz ram

[jovial arch]

Oh damnn

[steep gust]

Oh yeah you better have decent RAM for Rzyen

[buoyant rover]

thats not an issue

[jovial arch]

I should just get an 1600 until zen2

[latent light]

I recommend 3000 MHz ram or better for Ryzen

[buoyant rover]

it costs like $2 more to buy 3000MHz ram over 2400MHz

[steep gust]

Since it scales nicely off of speed up to around 3000-3200mhz

I'm guessing he already has DDR4

[buoyant rover]

no

[jovial arch]

Nope rip

[buoyant rover]

he has DDR3

[steep gust]

r i p

[jovial arch]

Yeahhh

F

This next gen shit stg

I'm already getting too old for PC gaming and I'm 20 lmao

[steep gust]

Man I even have a 2x8 kit of DDR4 in my desk just because it doesn't match and prices have fallen again

[jovial arch]

Oh fuck you 😂

[steep gust]

gotta have that RGB

[latent light]

there's rumors that DDR4 will still work with DDR5 ram slots

[steep gust]

it won't

[jovial arch]

That sounds like a dumb rumor

[steep gust]

DDR5 has more pin IIRC

[jovial arch]

Ngl

[latent light]

288 pins on DDR4

DDR3 was 240 I think

anyway

DDR5 will start at 5200 MHz apparently

Ryzen at that speeds would be incredible

[steep gust]

dunno because I'm not paying $80 for the JEDEC spec sheet

[jovial arch]

Okay so I can probably get an upgrade for $400

[steep gust]

Getting 3600mhz to work on Ryzen can be a pain in the ass

[latent light]

atomic just wait a month for AMD announcement

best you can do atm

[steep gust]

DDR5 is gonna require AMD to change how the infinity fabric scales

[latent light]

if AMD unveils a 6-core processor for $100, that will be the best budget option available

[steep gust]

and if not

Zen+ will still fall in price anyway

[latent light]

yeah

[buoyant rover]

@latent light Bet it starts at CL20 as well

[jovial arch]

Yeah but I might as well get a board and ram now right

[latent light]

maybe

[jovial arch]

I really wanna play bfv man

[latent light]

will be like 1.0v too

[buoyant rover]

DDR3 to 4 doubled speeds

also doubled latency

[steep gust]

1.1v for DDR5

[buoyant rover]

so...

[steep gust]

so no

not how that works

real latency went down

[latent light]

my DDR3 was CL8 I think

DDR4 is CL15

[steep gust]

real latency falls with every revision of DDR

[latent light]

yeah it does

frequency > timings

[steep gust]

CAS latency

A. Not the only timing that mattters

B. Means jackshit on its own

C. Has nothing on the actual latency of the memory

[jovial arch]

What's the cheapest ryzen CPU that can run bfv at 60fps? I'll get that and the board and ram and then get a zen2 when they get released

Then it's just a CPU swap

[latent light]

https://wccftech.com/sk-hynix-ddr5-16-gb-5200-mhz-memory-dram/

[buoyant rover]

1400

but don't get that

just buy a 1600

[jovial arch]

Okau

[buoyant rover]

well

don't buy a 1600 either

just buy a 2600 and a B450 board

cause it's about the same price

[latent light]

literally just wait bro

1 month of waiting isn't going to kill you

[steep gust]

I think DDR5 might use the same amount of pins

[latent light]

hell CES is actually in 2 weeks

[steep gust]

does that mean backwards compatibility

[latent light]

so wait 2 weeks lol

[steep gust]

eh no

It'll probably curve the other way to stop you from putting it in DDR4 slots

[latent light]

lmao

what if they put the notch in a different spot

same amount of pins doesn't mean compatibility either

[steep gust]

yeah the tech behind DDR5 is gonna be way different than DDR4

If it has the same amount of pins and is expected to be way faster

[jovial arch]

Most ram gens are pretty different

[latent light]

Imagine if they were cross compatible and you stick a DDR5 5200 mhz stick on a 6th gen Intel board that only supports 2400 mhz

lmfao

waste

[steep gust]

You can buy DDR3 to DDR4 adapters

and I think there were a few motherboards that did both

[latent light]

wtf

[steep gust]

Issue was it burnt out the IMC if you tried to use DDR3 in DDR4

too much voltage

[latent light]

yeah DDR3 was like 1.5v

[steep gust]

max DDR4 voltage is 1.5v

[latent light]

DDR3 max was like 1.65v

don't some people go above max voltage with LN2

for ram

[steep gust]

yeah for benchmarks

but daily voltage is much different

[jovial arch]

Yooo

[latent light]

going past limits requires very strong cooling

[steep gust]

You try to daily 1.7v on a 9900k

It'll die first off

and it'll run fucking hot

[latent light]

Fx-8350 still has the record for highest clock speed lol

[steep gust]

That means very little

and it was an FX8150

8.429ghz

[latent light]

only 1 core enabled obviously

[steep gust]

but hey they got a 9900k to 7.6ghz across all cores

[latent light]

de8aurer did?

[steep gust]

ye

with liquid helium

[latent light]

oof

[steep gust]

not that it matters

Since it isn't bench stable

It would crash the second you hit it with any load that wasn't the CPU-Z validation

[latent light]

there's records for highest overclock with a benchmark and a records for just overall highest overclock

[steep gust]

http://hwbot.org/hardware/processor/core_i9_9900k/

ye

[latent light]

also, do those CPUs that get pushed that high die afterwards?

[steep gust]

Not always

Some do

Generally if they die it was because of some mistake

[latent light]

germans always trying to push tech competitively

[steep gust]

Some benchmarks really like single core, some multicore

Others are AXV workloads, some really love fast memory, etc

[latent light]

ww2 all over again

[steep gust]

Which is why each benchmark has its own record

Man I should really switch to offset voltages instead of fixed for my CPU overclock

While I doubt constant 1.3v will do anything it could easily sit at much lower voltages when just downloading games

[latent light]

my gigabyte AB-350-Gaming 3 board doesn't let me set fixed voltages, only dynamic

X370-Gaming 5 does allow fixed voltage though

[steep gust]

AB350 doesn't even support overclocking as far as I know

[latent light]

it does

all B350 do

A320 don't

A320 may not even allow memory overclocking

[steep gust]

It would go up to whatever the CPU is spec'ed to

So 2666mhz for Rzyen IIRC

[latent light]

1st gen Ryzen supports up to 2933 MHz without overclock I think

don't remember

may be 2666

I got 3000 MHz ram on my Ryzen 5 1600 and B350 board

Ryzen 1000 series was impressive considered that it's the first generation

[steep gust]

and that its predecessor was Bulldozer

[latent light]

yeah

Bulldozer IPC is around 30-40% lower than first gen Ryzen

[steep gust]

Can't forget the funky module - core shit they did

[latent light]

2 cores in each module

[steep gust]

with shared cache

[latent light]

still confused whether or not that's just multi-threading

[steep gust]

tldr it pretty much is

[latent light]

or it is true 8-cores

[steep gust]

longer tldr its not SMT

Since there is still two physical cores

[latent light]

was the most confusing architecture to look at

[steep gust]

They just share the same cache, etc so its like SMT

[latent light]

I remember now why I thought first gen Ryzen supports 2933 MHz ram stock

because when I put 3000 MHz in and enabled XMP profile, it capped at 2933 and I had to manually set it to 3000MHz

[steep gust]

Rzyen doesn't support 3000mhz

133mhz dividers

[latent light]

so I'm overclocked right now

I put little MOSFET heatsinks on the SOC VRMs

helped a lot surprisingly

https://www.amazon.com/Enzotech-Mosfet-Passive-Copper-10-pack/dp/B004CLDIHK#customerReviews

these right here

[steep gust]

Not having heatsinks on your VRM

[latent light]

yeah, board only had a heatsink on the CPU VRMs

or the VRMs on the left side

no stock heatsink for the top VRMs

[steep gust]

Generally left side of the CPU socket is vcore

[latent light]

yeah

and top is for the ram?

[steep gust]

RAM is generally near the slots

to the right of them

Should only be like 1-2 phases

[latent light]

my board is 4+3 phase

weird right

[steep gust]

ye

Also sometimes they have iGPU support

which means more VRM

[latent light]

this is my board

hold on

[steep gust]

man I wish I was trusted

[latent light]

view it from straight up

only paid $80 for this board

[steep gust]

yeah vram is to the right of the dimm slots

[latent light]

wait, vram?

[steep gust]

voltage ram

[latent light]

oh thought video ram

[steep gust]

nah its the RAM VRM

[steep gust]

Are you sure that board isn't 5+2?

Since I doubt they did a 3 phase for the iGPU

[latent light]

what's these 6 mosfets for

at the top

that's 3 phases right there

I know the 4 phases to the left of the CPU is for Vcore

but the ones above confuse me lol

[steep gust]

SOC and probably iGPU

Since there is DVI-D output

[latent light]

yeah there is VGA and DVI slot on the mobo

wait no

DVI and hdmi

I thought this board was pretty solid for being only $80

[steep gust]

4C10N operational Tjmax is 150c

The mosfets are fine without heatsinks

[latent light]

lol

I was going to get an 8-core Zen 2 cpu though

all I need to do is update bios for that

[steep gust]

SOC doesn't get very hot

Ye

[latent light]

also, you see the m.2 nvme slot on that board

it's under the first PCI-E slot lmao

[steep gust]

You see my $250 motherboard with only a single M.2 slot

and a riser for a second

[latent light]

do risers have issues

[steep gust]

That spot is normally fine tbh

nah just look like shit

[latent light]

you can't see my nvme ssd whenever gpu is installed

lmao

[steep gust]

oh wow that sucks so much

[latent light]

one neat thing though is that the gpu fans circulate air on it

[steep gust]

yeah my GPU sits at like 75C

That doesn't help the drive that already gets hot

[latent light]

oof

[steep gust]

NVMe is toasty and Samsung, etc try to avoid thermal throttling by letting it run hot for awhile

[latent light]

samsung 970 evo gets pretty damn hot

[steep gust]

Under sustained loads (so almost never for consumers) NVMe is hot

but how often do you move 10GB files?

[latent light]

never

[steep gust]

Exactly

So NVMe is worthless to you

[latent light]

I like it because it doesn't require a PSU cable and SATA cable

2 less cables to manage

[steep gust]

ye just buy a SATA M.2 drive

generally only like $10 more than a 2.5"

So like $150 for 1TB M.2 SATA vs $250 for the NVMe

[latent light]

I see Crucial has a MX500 2.5" sata and m.2 sata for same price

[steep gust]

yeah that happens

but like samsung master race

[latent light]

crucial is amazing value

[steep gust]

When everything SSD hits SATA 3 limits anyway it doesn't really matter who makes the SSD

I just like samsung and I'll pay the extra $10-20

[latent light]

https://www.amazon.com/Crucial-MX500-NAND-SATA-Internal/dp/B077SF8KMG

1TB for $135

not bad

[steep gust]

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B078DPCY3T/?tag=pcpapi-20

$147 was like $127

[latent light]

the MX500 went on sale for $119 last week

[steep gust]

Man prices went back up

[latent light]

demand

[steep gust]

I bought a 500GB 860 evo for like $70

I paid the same for a 250GB 850 evo like a year ago

[latent light]

oof

[steep gust]

oof yeah that is how computers work

$650 for a 1080 in June

Could have bought a 2070 for that

or a 1080ti when they were cheap af

or two 1080s used

[latent light]

1080 Ti best choice out of all of those if at the same price

[steep gust]

duh

I'll wait until Navi

See how Nvidia reacts

[latent light]

Navi only targets mid-range market

[steep gust]

I just want a good 1440p card and a 2080 is costly

[latent light]

Navi best card will be around 1080 performance

[steep gust]

duh

still competition

[latent light]

Vega will still be the high-end lol

in other news, Vega 2 announcement at CES

anyone have any idea why AMD chose HBM2 memory for Vega?

GDDR5 would have been cheaper

or GDDR5X

[steep gust]

cus its AMD

HBM2 is better but just cost so fucking much

[latent light]

HBM2 isn't that much better than GDDR5 in gaming

may be even worse

GDDR5 in Vega would have made the value so much better

[steep gust]

Micron has a agreement with nvidia for GDDR5X

If AMD goes with HBM3 for the next Vega GPUs

oof

[latent light]

expensive

helping my friend uninstall geforce experience with DDU, telling him to not download GFE and just download the drivers from the nvidia website

[mental hatch]

wait why is gfe bad?

[latent light]

nah he's just having a problem with it

can't install new drivers gets an error saying "windows task scheduler service should be running to continue"

even though it is running

[mental hatch]

ah

thought you were gonna say something dumb like "it keeps updating his drivers as soon as they come out"

[latent light]

lmao

[red ingot]

[lofty light]

I never use GFE because I don't like it 🤷

[queen field]

geforce needs your information to give you the best driver support @lofty light

stop denying free pc check!

[lofty light]

I'll download MacCleaner before I do that!

[crisp shoal]

hey guys what is the amd equivalent of the i7 8700k?

I have been thinking of switching since prices seem to be alot more reasonable

[latent light]

@crisp shoal at the moment, Ryzen 7 2700X

next month, Ryzen 5 3600X

the 3600X will be only $230, 8 cores/16 threads and 4.8 GHz boost clock

with possible overclocking to 5+ ghz

[crisp shoal]

So I read that ryzen cpu's benefit from fast ram right?

also do they have a different socket than the intel ones?

[sonic osprey]

Imo that is quite stupid thing to say that ryzen cpus benefit from faster ram, it should be said that more cores utilized benefit from faster ram

[latent light]

@crisp shoal 3000 MHz or higher for Ryzen is good

[crisp shoal]

@sonic osprey it's just what I read in forums and I wondered why

and thanks @latent light
I guess I'll wait a few months and get the 3600x

[sonic osprey]

Its mostly about people making conclusions on test results, when comparing lets say 8c16t amd and 6c12t intel and amd benefits more from the ram speed in that scenario (in some games that utilize more threads)

Also the on board cpu cache size(s) will have a say in the maths involved

[brazen burrow]

Intel doesn't get much from faster ram unless you're overclocking

amd does though

it's not just a cores thing it's an architecture thing

though coffee lake has been seen to get significant performance boosts by faster ram, the architectures before it don't

[sonic osprey]

Its the same for amd, you need to enable the xmp or what ever it is for the amd mobo you are using

[brazen burrow]

xmp is just predetermined memory overclocking profiles

[sonic osprey]

Yes?

[brazen burrow]

higher clock speeds on ram result in higher latencies. in the past for intel these have offset each other performance-wise. with coffee lake this has changed and begun to follow the trend amd has been found to have where the higher clock speeds are influential enough to the core's processing that it outweighs those higher latencies.

but before intel's 9XXX processors there was no real performance boost from faster ram

[sonic osprey]

7700k and 8700k both benefit from faster ram

[brazen burrow]

not unless youre overclocking

[sonic osprey]

Also it is always overclock becuse JEDEC standard limits the ram frequencies

....

[brazen burrow]

the 7700k and 8700k are great OCing processors but they dont receive nearly the boost amd cpu's of similar gens get/got from faster ram

[sonic osprey]

You are an amd fan boy I would guess, if you dont have a clue how ram works?

[brazen burrow]

i have a 7700k

[sonic osprey]

And it benefits from faster ram as much as similar amd with similar core count and clock speeds

[whole phoenix]

Hi fellow soldiers ! Got a little question

Everytime that BF5 launches, I got dropped in the prologue of the solo campaign

Which is annoying since I have to wait for the video to end to be able to quit and join the multiplayer

is there a way to avoid this ?

[brazen burrow]

prolly something wrong with ur game files

easy but long way is reinstall

[whole phoenix]

Oh okay

would I lose my multiplayer ranks and everything ?

[brazen burrow]

no

[sonic osprey]

https://youtu.be/43g3OTK2AbE?t=317 7700k with faster rams, no benefit?

[brazen burrow]

but id guess its not tracking that u already opened the game

[whole phoenix]

Ok great, guess I'll just do it then

Yeah it's weird

I mean, I still have my multiplayer weapons and ranks

[brazen burrow]

yes

[whole phoenix]

But somehow solo campaign always resests

resetsù

Cheers buddy, happy new year

[brazen burrow]

@sonic osprey hadn't seen that, i concede

[prime jasper]

Question, should I run DX12 since I got a 8 core processor, would it have a fps boost ?

[sonic osprey]

Every processor benefits from faster ram till the cpu is bottleneck in the performance, the more cores/threads there are, the more benefit from the fast ram there is

[brazen burrow]

what gpu @prime jasper

[prime jasper]

Ryzen 7 2700

[brazen burrow]

wgpou

gpu*

[prime jasper]

ah

GTX 1060 6 Gig

[brazen burrow]

probably

set it and compare fps

[sonic osprey]

I would not run dx12 yet, still buggy, dx11 + ffr seems more stable

[prime jasper]

so DX12 still crashes the game ?

[sonic osprey]

Sometimes it stutters in bfv, have not tried in few weeks though

[brazen burrow]

i run dx12 on my 1070 and i havent had any issues

got probably 10 frames from it

[prime jasper]

ill prolly give it a try

and see how it preforms

[crisp shoal]

your mp stuff is stored in a database

the sp.stuff maybe is just locally stored

[crisp shoal]

Can anyone name me a good modular power supply with braided cables?

[red ingot]

i have the corsair ax 860i

i personally really like it

[prime jasper]

corsair RMx/i white one

fucking wonderful cords

https://www.corsair.com/us/en/Power/Plug-Type/RMx-Series/p/CP-9020156-NA

[feral hull]

where can i report bugs for the game

[crisp shoal]

oh wow

never thought a psu could be that beatiful

will the new ryzen 3000 series have a different socket?

[prime jasper]

nope, still AM4

but you'd most likely need an updated BIOS if you would like to use an x370 or X470 Mainboard for them ^^

[crisp shoal]

alright
so basically I am very uninformed when it comes to motherboards does anyone have a suggestion for me?
I need atleas 6 usb ports (4 for oculus rift, mouse and keyboard) so preferably 8

[mental hatch]

oof your looking at x470/x370 range

[crisp shoal]

the x470 looks really good on paper but most of my build is black and white and that's why I ll first search for one which is mostly white or black
the red accents kind of annoy me

[feral hull]

where can i report bugs for the game

[crude storm]

i own a asus prime x470

[steep gust]

@crisp shoal Crosshair 7 Hero is the best X470 board

mfw

BFV doesn't use the same sen settings as bf1

[crisp shoal]

@crude storm I also think of getting that one actually

[crude storm]

i had to choose between the crosshair 7 hero and the prime board, and i didnt really saw the "benefits" to pay 100 euros more

but hey, i am a linux guy

and i dont overclock

[mental hatch]

wait if you didnt want to oc why did you get an X470 board?

[latent light]

@crisp shoal ASUS Prime X470-Pro

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813119100&ignorebbr=1&nm_mc=KNC-GoogleAdwords-PC&cm_mmc=KNC-GoogleAdwords-PC-_-pla-_-Motherboards+-+AMD-_-N82E16813119100&gclid=Cj0KCQiAjZLhBRCAARIsAFHWpbHf-Hl_vcMxPcAxM245HSFyjqWZwYBGDlV2_GSijkFLEZgdefw3f-EaAroXEALw_wcB&gclsrc=aw.ds

it's black and white

[red ingot]

Sexy

[steep gust]

I hate seeing bare pcb after owning a maximus x code

[narrow fable]

Bare pcb is sexy

It's like lingerie

Seeing a bare cpu die?

That's a nude

[red ingot]

Idk, sometimes the tease is hotter than the actual result

[narrow fable]

Phew, the unmounting of the heatsinks and heatspreaders?

Kinda hot

[red ingot]

What about

Heh

sensible chuckle

[narrow fable]

Is that a role play?

[red ingot]

Is it?

[narrow fable]

It is?

[latent light]

@steep gust so the VRMs on the top of a motherboard are just extra ones for your CPU

since my board is 4+3 phase, all of those are for the CPU itself

[narrow fable]

[latent light]

one of them might be for iGPU though

[narrow fable]

Only 4+3?

[latent light]

I got a $80 Gigabyte AB350-Gaming 3

[narrow fable]

A

Was about to say

No overclocking for u

[red ingot]

:(

[latent light]

I overclocked my 1600 to 3.9 GHz on it already

was fine

4+3 phase can handle a good amount of voltage