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red ingot
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Everyone knows this

molten bramble
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MSI MEG Z390 ACE / i7-8700K / 16Gb Corsair DDR4-3200

red ingot
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Nice

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Gpu?

molten bramble
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Second board at that--first board was DOA

red ingot
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Ouch

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Doa sucks

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I'd cry

molten bramble
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Same GPU, 1050Ti--probably pick up a 1080Ti in February/March, have some other $ priorities first.

red ingot
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Nice

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Then u can make full use of those new parts

molten bramble
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Indeed.

molten coral
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I've a MSI Z370 gaming pro carbon love this board so much

molten bramble
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It's a massive upgrade from the ASUS P5K-E / Q9650 / 8Gb DDR2

red ingot
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Oh wow

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Yeah

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Jesus

molten bramble
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Decade old board.

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Literally.

red ingot
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Wow

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Must feel nice

molten bramble
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Yeah, I mean, I had that board OC'd as far as I could take it to 4.5Ghz without a major cooling upgrade and some $150 a stick DDR2 memory

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I think the max someone has gotten out of it is 4.8Ghz on that chip, liquid cooled

red ingot
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Damn

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Nice

molten coral
red ingot
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Ohh nice

molten bramble
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But yeah, couldn't have run through the issues in a timely manner without the help of our staff here. Big support paid off.

steep gust
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32GB of RAM is a little overkill for gaming

red ingot
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Yeah

molten bramble
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The DOA was so depressing yesterday, haha.

red ingot
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But meh

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More the merrier

molten coral
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Eh, I just wanted to use all slots and it looks nice.

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It's totally overkill yes.

steep gust
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Not when overclocking memory

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More = worse

red ingot
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Huh

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Til

molten coral
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32GB RGB ram> 400 euro blobsweats

molten bramble
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It's not overkill for a game like Cities Skylines when using custom assets. The more memory, the better.

steep gust
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32GB of RAM is like

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$200

red ingot
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Not in Canada

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:(

molten coral
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200? Lol

red ingot
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My 16gb of ram was $200

molten bramble
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My 16Gb was $150

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Vengeance

steep gust
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I paid $140 for TridentZ RGB 3600mhz 18-22-22-42 (2x8)

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Gotta love black friday

molten coral
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It's around 150/200 here in the Netherlands last time I checked it and the Gskill trident z was 50 more expensiver.. So I basically bought that because RBG looks pretty cool.

molten bramble
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I don't need the RGB gimmick, the RGB fans and board are enough for me.

molten coral
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My fans aren't RGB and are the ones which came with the case.

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I've setup my ram that it's just static and no flashing etc

steep gust
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RGB fans are costly

molten coral
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Only thing i've been thinking about is spray painting my corsair air 540

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and have the laser at work do something cool with the plexiglass

molten bramble
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What kind of work do you do?

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Now I've gotta figure out what's up with this AORUS software for this Gigabyte 1050Ti

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Card no longer registers on this new board, so I imagine there is an on-board control or something.

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This software is such shit anyways though, so who knows...

molten coral
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I'm a manager at an e-commerce, who deals in smartphone cases, accessories and custom made phone cases.

molten bramble
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Oh I see

molten coral
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I do it part time though, also working as an apprenticeship as an system administrator.

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It's like split, 25h manager, 15/20h as an apprentice.

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and both at the same company

latent light
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went to create an account on Gigabyte customer service

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have no idea what contact person means

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I put my name there or what lol

steep gust
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yes

latent light
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I already put my first and last name on the top of the registry but ok

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guess gigabyte is retarded lol

molten bramble
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@latent light It makes sense if say you're the owner of a product, but have an IT manager that handles the technical end.

latent light
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since my card is faulty, I request repair right?

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my only options

steep gust
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yes

molten bramble
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Yes

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They should issue an RMA

latent light
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hell, the bios of the card could be the issue but idk if updating the bios will make it ineligible for a return

steep gust
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updating, no

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flashing a new one, yes

latent light
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so all gigabyte graphics cards come with 3 year warranty unless it's refurbished

molten bramble
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Good to know.

latent light
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I hope my warranty didnt void because I lowered the voltage some at one point

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I figured the warrenty will only void if you kill the card by increasing the voltage but you never know what excuse the manufacturer will come up with

steep gust
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You can't kill a Pascal / Turing GPU through voltage without hardmods

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or a XOC bios

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Also just like

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don't tell them you tweaked the voltages

mortal nacelle
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i dont really wanna do water

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at all

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@molten coral are you cooling with water

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on cpu

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in closed loop ?

molten coral
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It's a NCIX kraken something

latent light
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@steep gust should I tell them that I increased core clock?

mortal nacelle
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do you like it

molten coral
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Apart that I've the small version it's good.

steep gust
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@latent light If you want, although there is probably a factory overclock anyway

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NZXT not NCIX

mortal nacelle
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when i got this upgrade packet with cpu mobo ram and such i got a corsair hydrop h60

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i never installed it

molten coral
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Although I should upgrade sometime to get better temps especially with a i7-8700k

steep gust
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120mm AIOs aren't very good

mortal nacelle
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i have my old trustet nh-u12s

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it keep my cpu at 40c under load

latent light
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It didnt have a boost clock oddly

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It didnt have a boost clock oddly

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I did increase the core by 60 MHz once

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Ran*

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It always tan at 1340 base clock no matter what

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I did increase the core by 60 MHz once

mortal nacelle
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but its also wintertime right now

molten coral
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Eh it's doing the job fine, always stays around 40-45 with loads.

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I could upgrade it to something better but honestly I could care less.

mortal nacelle
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yeah

steep gust
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locked at 1340mhz sounds like a VBIOS issue

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and 40-45C on a gaming load =/= load

mortal nacelle
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my case is closed no window notting . and all my hardware got RGB

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hahaha

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my case is from my first pc ๐Ÿ˜„

molten bramble
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LOL

steep gust
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My H100i keeps my overclocked 8600k at like 50C while gaming with the fans at like 800rpm or whatever the lowest possible without shutting off is

molten coral
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I've upgraded my case like 5 times in 3 years.

molten bramble
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I have a PC from the previous build I need to get rid of.

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*case

steep gust
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I have a S340 Elite collecting dust

mortal nacelle
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the beast

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i really need a new case

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just look at all that dust

molten coral
mortal nacelle
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I really like that

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looks so clean

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my ram have RGB too ๐Ÿ˜„

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can't see them ๐Ÿ˜›

molten coral
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๐Ÿ˜›

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My ram is on 2 static colours

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Orange/red

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So it doesn't flash or anything

mortal nacelle
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but i really can't find a case wich fits me

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i'm 1 of those oldish who want a dvddrive ๐Ÿ˜„

steep gust
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eww

mortal nacelle
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and all the cool cases don't have bay for stuff like that

steep gust
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duh

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5.25" bays look like shit

mortal nacelle
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cool dude

molten coral
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@mortal nacelle I also have a DVD drive

mortal nacelle
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wich case

molten coral
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Corsair air 540

mortal nacelle
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i have been looking at the Fractal Design Define r6

steep gust
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I have the meshify C

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which is almost the exact same

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Its not a bad case

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Could be literally 0.5" longer

molten coral
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I'm not a fan of PC cases which look like any other

steep gust
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So I could fit a 25mm rad + 25mm fans in the front with a 300m GPU

mortal nacelle
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but i dont care about watercooling

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not my style

steep gust
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I need like 2mm why fractcal design

molten coral
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I bought the corsair 540 because I like how odd shaped it was

mortal nacelle
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i like yours too nacho

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it dont look like others

molten coral
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You also have the corsair air 240

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which is smaller then the 540

mortal nacelle
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but are you moving that block around alot ? ๐Ÿ˜ฎ

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i'm happy i anit

molten coral
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I move it to my living room when I wanna talk around 12 till 5 AM

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I still live at home and everyone can hear me talk if I sit in my room

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ยฏ_(ใƒ„)_/ยฏ

mortal nacelle
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i have my pc in the garage

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๐Ÿ˜ฆ

molten coral
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Yeah we don't have a garage so nope.

mortal nacelle
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Well i made my garage to my place so i can get away from my gf ๐Ÿ˜„

molten coral
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I don't mind it though it's like 2 min of work to set it up downstairs

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I literally carry my PC, mouse, keyboard, mousepad etc in one go.

mortal nacelle
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my garage is warm and such with cauch and heating and also still space for car

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and tv ๐Ÿ˜„

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just missing the ps4

molten coral
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I've a PS4 and bought a Nintendo switch last saturday

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The switch is propably one of my best purchases from 2018 LUL

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I've been playing smash and some other games so much since I got it

mortal nacelle
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i need to figur out how i can get my gf to like swtich so we can buy one ๐Ÿ˜„

molten coral
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Buy zelda and mario party and she will be hooked aweSmart

mortal nacelle
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I will i will

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but she is like you are spending much money on tech stuff

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@molten coral dont get a gf

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the steal you life

molten coral
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Had a GF for a long time though but we broke up sadly.

mortal nacelle
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i'm sad to hear that

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not sure my gf and me are going to break up i'm now stock with her for like 15 years now

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soon 16

molten coral
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Nah, you will be fine then, it's like the rule if you have a friend for longer then 7 years he will be your friend forever.

mortal nacelle
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she is my best friend

molten coral
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We are still friends after we broke up

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So that is nice, it wasn't like ''Oh god I hate you so much etc etc blah blah blah''

mortal nacelle
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she is my parten in crime if i wanna do stupid shit she is in

steep gust
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See more money without gf

mortal nacelle
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ah not tech anymore ๐Ÿ˜„

latent light
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I genuinely hate windows 10

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I'm trying to rule out the problem of my graphics by manually installing graphics driver, but windows 10 comes to fuck it up by automatically downloading them

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Even though I turned off auto download for hardware drivers in control panel

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Windows 10 doing the complete opposite of what I tell it do like it always has done

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Fuck Microsoft

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Can't make a good gaming console and can't make a good OS

brazen burrow
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check logs

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@latent light you aren't being very specific but if you unhook your gpu it will "rule it out". also when you install a driver over the preexisting one it will replace it. generally no need to uninstall

fringe sorrel
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Try to change the power plane on Nvidia panel to maximum performance @sullen lichen

brazen burrow
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I'm away for the holidays so I wouldn't be able to help directly but if you can find a cause in the logs that can help

fringe sorrel
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@sullen lichen documents/battlefield v

brazen burrow
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it may help narrow down the cause

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cuz rn it could be anything from DX having trouble to power problems across the whole pc

fringe sorrel
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Sometimes you don't receive a crash error but you can check the log for crash informations

brazen burrow
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just pm it to me for now

fringe sorrel
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Bot clean @sullen lichen posts?

sullen lichen
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Many thanks!

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I wont post the log again ๐Ÿ˜‰

fringe sorrel
olive hazel
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wow

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Even after the open beta I still can't play BFV

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My build is a
GPU: RX-470 4GB
CPU: FX-8350
RAM: 16GB DDR3

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The farthest I have gotten to are the intro cutscenes and then I get a black screen and cut right to desktop

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no error message or anything

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although my graphics card does reset

latent light
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Have any trouble running other games?

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Wait, by gpu reset do you mean it turns off for a second and the monitor cycles through inputs looking for a display device? @olive hazel

olive hazel
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Nope trouble is only from BFV

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I can run BF1 without crashing

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And by GPU reset, I mean the graphics (like icons or pictures) all need to be rendered again

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@latent light

latent light
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Yeah just a crash then

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Any error messages?

olive hazel
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No error messages

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Origin does crash with it though

latent light
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File repair check

olive hazel
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Got farther

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didnt do a repair check as I am currently still installing lol

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I was able to finally shoot a gun

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and it ran smoothly with minimal FPS drops on "max fidelity"

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or ultra settings

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the game is on fullscreen with DX12 on

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it was off before and I crashed to desktop

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but with it on, it seems to be doing better

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I'll wait for it to finish installing and see what happens

molten coral
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its pretty cool

latent light
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What app is it

prime jasper
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I had my taskbar like that ages ago, until I setup a theme with wallpaper engine/rainmeter that looked better with it normal BlobCatDerp

molten coral
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TranslucentTB @latent light

latent light
latent light
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3nm

red ingot
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Ohhh

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Fancy

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What's this rgb malware exploit?

verbal raft
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So when tf is dice gonna fix the assignment/story progression? 1 of my camping items wonโ€™t unlock even though Iโ€™ve done everything and now the progress on assault mastery keeps getting reset every time I die even though itโ€™s get 7 kills with explosives IN A ROUND, not IN A LIFE, so goddamn frustrating

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Campaign not camping

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Like cmon, and this isnโ€™t the first time either, I didnโ€™t get the helmet in tides of war week 2 because of this bullshit, about to go for a fโ€™ing refund and get red dead redemption 2

prime jasper
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Guys what should I OC my 8700k to?

latent light
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4.8 GHz

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the sweet spot

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5 GHz runs hot

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also depends on how good your chip is

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some 8700K are unlucky and can't get to 4.7 stable

prime jasper
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Iโ€™m at 4.7 now and temps seem to get kinda hot

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Iโ€™m watercooled too

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So Iโ€™m guessing they run kinda hot normally? Especially when OCโ€™ed?

red ingot
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Yeah I havent gotten around to ocing my 9700k yet but it runs at 4.6 rn and gets pretty warm on water as well

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The new chips seem to just run hotter

latent light
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5+ GHz never seems to be worth the thermals

olive hazel
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Damn

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I think I found my error

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my CPU temps get too high running BFV

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im in the 73 Celsius range LMAO

latent light
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yeah that's hot for an Fx-8350

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Fx chips have low temp limits

red ingot
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Was about to say

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Doesnt seem that hot

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But idk about fx thermals

latent light
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Fx limit is like 75C

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iirc

red ingot
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Oof

latent light
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Ryzen is 100C

red ingot
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Does it run cooler then overall?

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For a 75c limit

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Or you're just screwed

latent light
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it throttles

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like any other cpu that hits limit

red ingot
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Rip

latent light
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next gen next month

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not all products will be available on launch

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just the high-end I think

red ingot
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Makes sense

latent light
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2 weeks from now

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is CES

limber salmon
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Anyone good with wireless headphones here? I'm looking to upgrade from my old HyperX cloud I to wireless

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Right now the Steel Series Arctic 7 2019 edition would cost 80โ‚ฌ cause they are on a pretty steep discount

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But I'm not necessarily looking for "gaming" headphones since I have no need for a microphone in the headphones

crude storm
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hm i have never tried a wireless headphone for gaming

brazen burrow
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@limber salmon if you want to use them with shit like you're phone too make sure they're bluetooth. other than that it's up to you. I have the man o wars wireless but their a bit more expensive

limber salmon
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I've already got dedicated bluetooth headphones for my phone

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I'm looking to buy strictly for home pc use pretty much

mortal nacelle
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@limber salmon i Got the steel series arctic the Mic is hidden

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You Can drag it out

limber salmon
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Yeah I know

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What model?

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3,5,7?

mortal nacelle
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7

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I wanna changes over to the Pro

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Wireless one

limber salmon
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One friend is saying to just get the pro Thonk

mortal nacelle
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Yeah

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I hear Its so much better Sound wise

limber salmon
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Soo expensive

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350โ‚ฌ for the pro

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80โ‚ฌ for 7 2019 model

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Is the difference really worth it xd

mortal nacelle
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@limber salmon if you looking for only music ones

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Sennheiser PXC 550

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is the go

limber salmon
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Well plenty off stuff I'm gonna do

mortal nacelle
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then i thinkthe steel is allaround

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the best one

limber salmon
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Yeah I'm gonna test out the 7s tomorrow

mortal nacelle
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test it out with surround also

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its a gaming headset

limber salmon
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I heard the surround sucks

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I don't really care for it

mortal nacelle
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i have the first version of it 7

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and the surround is pretty good

lofty light
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Surround is good for games and positioning but you don't need it that good just accurate

north crow
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you can also use HeSuVi for surround -> binaural conversion for regular stereo headphones (similar to e.g. dolby atmos and the like)

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which works really well in my experience (though BFV has its own equivalent - the "3D Headphones" option - so it's not really needed there)

strong breach
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meanwhile SSD is performing like 25% above expectation ๐Ÿค”

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i feel like my CPU is bottlenecking 1070

mortal nacelle
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Its a xeon

strong breach
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yes

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it's also like 4 years old

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it was like really good of a CPU back in 2014 ๐Ÿ‘€

brazen burrow
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@strong breach here's mine ๐Ÿคท

prime jasper
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4790k/ xeon equals are garbage with even gtx 1060's and 580's on heavier games. bottleneck love.

strong breach
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oh yeah they're really outdated now

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in 2018

prime jasper
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if you play battlefield-it's a global game problem. not just cpu

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ppl with 5820k-/5960x still faces that somehow

brazen burrow
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well bf is cpu heavy

strong breach
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i still manage to get like 100fps in bfv which is more than enough for me ๐Ÿ˜„

brazen burrow
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so it doesn't help

prime jasper
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it's not that heavy tbh for cpu.

brazen burrow
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@strong breach yeah, I keep 70+ at 1440p

prime jasper
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@strong breach you need know not the max fps but min fps

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if you lower settings and basically charge off peanuts for perf increase-it sucks. means the game is unoptimised

strong breach
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honestly i should just upgrade my rig (except gpu)

brazen burrow
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your fine for a while

strong breach
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but like that costs money that i don't want to spend

prime jasper
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you know that in 99% of the maps with i5 4590 at 75hz + freesync pairing with enchanced sync no fps cap i get 100+ fps on ultra at 1080p on rx 580 8gb?

brazen burrow
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it's pretty damn balanced

prime jasper
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on BF1 i cant get a stable 40fps with lowest settings

strong breach
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oh yeah BF1 actually ran worse than BFV for me

prime jasper
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BFV runs just as trashy as BF1 for me

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so i removed the game though. only play overwatch now

strong breach
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overwatch is fucking fun ๐Ÿ‘

prime jasper
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it is ๐Ÿ˜

strong breach
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been having a lot of fun with that game ๐Ÿ˜„

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even if im definitely not the best at it

prime jasper
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i pretty suck at it but if i try harder and have half decent team i can stable carry gold/silver

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or if i try hard i may get plat. as a skilless widowmaker/ana xd

strong breach
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i can't even play ranked on that game yet GWvertiPeepoSadMan

prime jasper
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you should try it's cool

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but people are pretty salty tbh

strong breach
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i played it between Black ops 4 and BFV launch

prime jasper
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theyre so arrogant for their elo.

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but it was pretty cool when ive met smurfing grandmaster couch on silver account

strong breach
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but hnnngh i really should focus on upgrading my HDD to 1tb SSD first

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my rig for now, runs games well enough

prime jasper
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helped me a bunch after match

strong breach
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๐Ÿ˜„

prime jasper
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for OW i was happy with 960 but didnt expect id quit BF series and origin itself after buying 580 XD

strong breach
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oh yeah OW runs like a dream on like any PC

prime jasper
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AMD cards are kinda miracble somehow XD

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theyre well performing, pretty equal heat to nvidias and identical power consumption so it's a way to go xd.

strong breach
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i've never had an AMD card

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wait actually i lied

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i have one on my laptop GWqlabsMmLol

prime jasper
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AMD gpu's arent bad tbh

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they just like nvidia has disgrace cards

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but for price to performance and some higher ends-theyre still solid ๐Ÿ˜ƒ

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extremely solid*

strong breach
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oh yeah AMD is way better for bang/buck

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in general

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ofc there's some good bang/buck nvidia gpu's too

prime jasper
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you mean old high ends

strong breach
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I've just always been buying Nvidia GWqlabsSweats

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pretty much yeah

brazen burrow
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if you want a 1060 3gb get a 580 otherwise I'd stick to nvidia

prime jasper
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coz older mid range/lower ends-budget ones are trash these days comparing to how amd cards are supported

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1060 3gb costs 200eur in lithuania

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rx 570 4gb sapphire 130-170eur depending on modek(not asus, msi branded ofc) XD

brazen burrow
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580 is similar price and better performance

prime jasper
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i mean sapphire or powercolors xd

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580 price here varies from 220 to 400euros brand new

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1070 400eur new at least xd

strong breach
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i got a pretty good offer with my current gpu

prime jasper
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asus strix'es 580 is 420 ~ euros

strong breach
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got 2 games with it which i sold

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paid 380โ‚ฌ for this 1070

prime jasper
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sapphire nitro+s 8gb goes for 280 to 340

strong breach
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and the games i sold for like 60โ‚ฌ ๐Ÿ‘ combined

prime jasper
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i'd not pay for 2fps more for 400+ eur and ~3C less in min/max temps on strix vs sapphirre

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300euro golden sample red devil 580/590 is more reasonable than a strix/strix top edition of 580/1060 6/8gb XD that going for 400eur

strong breach
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i used to have a gtx 770

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my gpu is literally the only part on my PC that i have upgraded

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since buying the parts

prime jasper
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yeh cpu's crucial

strong breach
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yeah it's just so much more work on upgrading a cpu

prime jasper
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the more you spend or aim for a valid higher end base part-the more you get

strong breach
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this one has a LGA1150 socket

prime jasper
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gpu's are give or take

strong breach
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so i'd have to upgrade my mobo too

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if i was to upgrade to LGA1151

prime jasper
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they can last for 2years until uypgrade or until dies

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or 5+ years,

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cpu's usually never dies while mobos does. gpu's dies also quickly, and the high performance ram too.

molten coral
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@strong breach where can you find these stats? thinkies

strong breach
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userbenchmark

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just because my HDD is being slow as heck

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workstation % takes a huge hit

prime jasper
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your cpu has alot of rivals. especially from amd side, intel's even worse

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since the easiest way to compete is the same company of the same cpu but a different model xd

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1st gen to 7th gen intel cpus i5/i7 mainstream sockets were 1-5% inc per gen, after 8th gen that changed-i5 8400 became i7, i7 became extreme perf level.
intel wins in gaming-amd 5-15fps less in gaming but harder on budget on streaming/multitasking.
even r5 2600 not including 2700 can compete with a locked 8700

strong breach
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I'll need to look at what options I got in the future

#

i was only planning to get a new SSD as for now

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๐Ÿ‘€

prime jasper
#

alot of people saying i9 9900k is an owen

#

with even custom loop exceeds 80C after oc

strong breach
#

how expensive is i9 9900k anyway

#

isn't it like 500โ‚ฌ cpu

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or more

prime jasper
#

with aios cpu melts and kills mobos+ cpu itself

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yep

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500-700eur/usd

strong breach
#

owie

#

i would never

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spend that

prime jasper
#

well 8700k is still pricy

#

500eur in east europe

#

r7 2700 ~320eur, 2600 is ~180

strong breach
#

maybe i should look more into ryzens

mortal nacelle
#

9900k is not worth it

prime jasper
#

2600 beats down i5 8th gen and compete with 8700-k in multi tasking

mortal nacelle
#

Iโ€™m on a 9700k

prime jasper
#

loses to 8700-k in gaminhg but wins in tasking

mortal nacelle
#

I really like it alot

prime jasper
#

so going ryzen is give or take, less perf for gaming by 5-20fps depending on tittle(max fps margins).

#

but horse power for multi tasking.

mortal nacelle
#

Ryzen are ok if you are on a budge

prime jasper
#

if the intel cpu';s prices were like 360eur for unlocked 8-9th gen i7 i'd offer that

#

but since it is not. not worth a pick

#

320eu for 2700-2700x

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or 500eur for 8700k for ~same multi tasking perf level after oc and bit more gaming engine power.

#

intel cpus needs a delid, while ryzens after hexa core has been delided with pre applied liquid metal performance thermals already. so thats another drawback for intel.

mortal nacelle
#

My 9700k dont run hot at all

prime jasper
#

@mortal nacelle one sec

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9700k may be a bit of an owen without decent cooler. i'd not risk it. the deliding is needed for stable 4.6-5.2ghz ocing with an aio ofc.

mortal nacelle
#

I run stable at 4.6

prime jasper
#

@mortal nacelle depends on how many hours you run pc every day

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how long it;s beeing used

mortal nacelle
#

@prime jasper Its 9700k

prime jasper
#

also what cooling u got

mortal nacelle
#

Not 9900k

prime jasper
#

then what thermal paste and was it delided

mortal nacelle
#

??

prime jasper
#

and at what rpm does the fans runs, not including what type of fans u use.

mortal nacelle
#

You are talking about 9900k iam on 9700k

prime jasper
#

still. idk what u mean"its not hot at all".

#

not to argue but it comes down to voltages, temps, thermals(type of cooling and exacty model, thermal paste type).

#

then the case you use.

#

also ambient temperatures and the ventilation possibilities of the place your rig stays.

ornate falcon
#

Anyone else having issues with the game constantly crashing at the loading screen?

#

I have re-installed, updated drivers, defrag, ran a system clean up and nothing seems to work.

sonic osprey
#

9900k is just fine in usage with custom loops, my temps are like 60-62C with cpu intensive gaming and regular usage (80-95%) loads

#

I would not recommend getting 9900k for nhd14/15, they will thermal throttle

latent light
#

next gen Ryzen is coming out next month after CES

molten coral
#

Also @strong breach my HDD is much worse then yours monkaS

ornate falcon
#

Been trying for the past 3 hours to play the game and nothing.

#

Yesterday I was playing for 5 hours straight no problem

#

Maybe RNG is given to some other player

prime jasper
#

Ryzen = better for multi-tasking like streaming, etc.

#

Intel beats Ryzen though for just gaming

sonic osprey
#

No, you can not make such generalization, it is not exact math, it is about how many cores and what is max turbo per core.

#

Intel has higher clocks per core, even when all cores fully utilized, and even more higher clocks if not all cores are fully utilized. Amd just has more cores in their "cheaper" cpu line

latent light
#

Next gen Ryzen already hitting 5.1 GHz turbo

#

Who knows where it will overclock

hazy latch
#

Should I be using DX12 with my vega 64 on bfv?

keen forge
#

Overlocked my 1800x to 4.1 (It seems to hate 4.2) - BFV crashes. Does BFV hate overlocking or is it something else?

sonic osprey
#

I have not yet to seen next gen ryzen hit anything

keen forge
#

Do you know if cooling performance is better on 2000 series?

sonic osprey
#

Turbo is already overclock, so your 4.1ghz is just minor overclock over the turbo

keen forge
#

I don't have turbo on, just a straight overclock

sonic osprey
#

Yes but running stock, the turbo is activated when required

#

And that is overclock by nature

keen forge
#

Yeah but it wasn't consistent - it wouldn't usually hit 4.1

sonic osprey
#

1800x turbo is just 4.0ghz

keen forge
#

Ok it wouldn't usually hit that then

#

Might have been my massively inadequate cooling system, I went straight to OC when I went liquid

sonic osprey
#

Manual overclock just tells the cpu to run with specific clocks 24/7

#

Also the TDPs announced for cpus are based on the base clock, so ryzen 3850x 135w tdp 3.6ghz base and 5.1ghz turbo, will most likely drain like 250w+ and heat like a pig in oven on christmas

mortal nacelle
#

thats good

#

who cares about power drain anyway

#

just need more coal power plants :d

sonic osprey
#

Power drain = heat

#

When im running prime95 with avx on my 9900k it also drains like 250w

mortal nacelle
#

i'm happy i didn't get a 9000k

#

9900

#

my 9700k is just fine

sonic osprey
#

Its best cpu there is at the moment

mortal nacelle
#

not for gaming

#

9700 beat it with like 2-3 fps

#

its notting i know

sonic osprey
#

It is the best cpu at the moment

mortal nacelle
#

so you say don't even wanna start this with you

#

when the reviews say other thing

#

but v0v

sonic osprey
#

The reviews are done gpu capped so they are irrelevant

latent light
#

9700K does see higher fps in most games than the 9900K

#

by like 1-2%

mortal nacelle
#

just what i said

#

its notting

latent light
#

idc about high fps at all, I care more about stable frametimes

#

60 fps with consistent 16.67ms frametimes > 120+ fps with frametimes spiking all over the place

red ingot
#

^

#

i agree

#

also @molten coral what benchmark is that?

#

for your hard drive

latent light
#

which is why I have a Ryzen 5 1600, best $150 CPU money can ever buy

mortal nacelle
#

thats what i have i run a 2080ti 4k highsettings and i jump around from 85 fps to like 130 fps

#

i have a 144hz 4k mointor

latent light
#

it runs all games stable

red ingot
#

yeah

#

i mean i just can't play 60fps anymore just cause ive had 144hz for so many years

mortal nacelle
#

144hz is where it is now

red ingot
#

but playing with massive frame variance is horrendous

molten coral
mortal nacelle
#

i kinda like 100hz as of now

red ingot
#

before i upgraded my cpu i was getting massive frame variance

#

thanks nacho

latent light
#

it would be annoying to have a 144hz monitor and play games that cap to 60 lol

red ingot
#

and yeah

#

killing floor 2 comes to mind

#

๐Ÿ˜ฆ

#

love that game but hate the 60fps cap

#

๐Ÿ˜ฆ

molten coral
#

My ultrawide is only 75hz sadly.

mortal nacelle
#

is it not all games on consol wich is locked to 30fps

#

or somethink

latent light
#

75hz isn't bad

molten coral
#

Really wanna get the 43 or 49'' samsung ultrawide someday.

sonic osprey
#

Well I have 140+ fps in bvf with my 9900k, its good enough, would not touch 4k until they can get 144+fps all the time on gpu side

red ingot
#

wow

latent light
#

75hz is actually noticeable over 60hz

molten coral
#

But don't feel like spending 800/1000 Euro on a screen FeelsMeowMan

red ingot
#

thats a massive ultrawide

#

and same @sonic osprey

#

im not upgrading to 4k till 144fps stable is a thing

mortal nacelle
#

hey my sceen ischeap ๐Ÿ˜„

sonic osprey
#

@molten coral I have the 49 samsung

red ingot
#

no it is not

molten coral
#

I've a 34'' ultrawide at the moment and it's not bad but I would love to get something bigger.

latent light
#

I'm getting Navi next year and a $150 freesync 144hz monitor

red ingot
#

it was like $2500

latent light
mortal nacelle
#

Cheap i'm telling you @red ingot ๐Ÿ˜„

red ingot
#

$2500
cheap
OMEGALUL

#

pls gimme your $$

#

i too want to be rich

sonic osprey
#

Has 144hz 4k monitor, buys 9700k picard

mortal nacelle
#

get a work ๐Ÿ˜„

molten coral
#

@sonic osprey How good is it?

mortal nacelle
#

fuck the 9900k i dont need it . as it a s hit cpu

latent light
#

4K doesn't need a CPU more powerful than a i3-8350K lol

mortal nacelle
#

my 9700 beats it

latent light
#

higher resolution = less CPU usage

molten coral
#

I know the pixel density isn't really that great for a 1080p screen so that is kinda what is keeping me back from buying the 49'' one.

sonic osprey
#

@molten coral it is good when running fullscreen gaming and in normal multitasking, dual input is kinda bad because only 60hz

#

9700k is trash when doing real work

mortal nacelle
#

but i'm gaming only

latent light
#

i5-8600K/9600K/R5 2600 would be fine for 4K 100+ fps

mortal nacelle
#

no need for a trash 9900k for gaming

sonic osprey
#

You are gaming only and not bothering to get over 144fps

mortal nacelle
#

no need for 9700 either

red ingot
#

so apparently my hard drive can't be benchmarked..

sonic osprey
#

Please dont talk about gaming only

red ingot
#

Relative performance n/a - RAM cached drive detected

mortal nacelle
#

you can't get stable with 2080ti with the 9900k stop lieing for you self

molten coral
#

@red ingot Is your hardrive full?

latent light
#

i9-9900K almost made the list on 2018's Most Disappointing CPU of the Year but the i9-9980XE took that title

mortal nacelle
#

2080ti can't get stable fps at 144hz

latent light
red ingot
#

no it isnt

#

got like 2tb free

mortal nacelle
#

2080ti fullsettings are around 85fps

sonic osprey
#

Its not about cpu to get 144fpa, you need dual 2080ti, but could do with just about any new cpu

red ingot
prime jasper
#

help i overclocked my monitor to 81hz but i see like no difference

red ingot
#

only ~50% full

mortal nacelle
#

i can buy dual 2080ti without buying a shitty 9900k

latent light
#

don't overclock monitor, it greatly reduces its life

mortal nacelle
#

why do i need a 9900k

sonic osprey
#

Go for it then ๐Ÿ˜‚

prime jasper
#

yeah im seeing artifacting too

#

go for a ryzen 7 so you can upgrade to zen 2 easily

mortal nacelle
#

9900k is a Disappointing

red ingot
#

@latent light didnt u oc your monitor?

latent light
#

only overclock a monitor that says it has overclocking support on the box

mortal nacelle
#

^^

red ingot
sonic osprey
#

@latent light still best cpu on 2018

prime jasper
#

yeah it doesnt lol, i just went into the radeon control panel and kept incrementing it until it crashed

latent light
#

worst value cpu of 2018*

sonic osprey
#

Best cpu*

mortal nacelle
#

ha

latent light
#

i9-7980XE still beats it

sonic osprey
#

Value = for poor people

mortal nacelle
#

@latent light you can't win

prime jasper
#

i9s are pretty bad value themselves

red ingot
#

Also for a monitor that does support oc

prime jasper
#

threadripper is gonna be 32 cores wow

red ingot
#

Is it worth bothering?

latent light
#

people that say value = poor people just don't have a brain

red ingot
#

Loo

sonic osprey
#

Or have enough money

red ingot
#

Lol*

latent light
#

this is why we need communism

#

capitalism is a fail

mortal nacelle
#

true ๐Ÿ˜„

red ingot
#

Yeah tbh I go for performance > value cause I'm gonna end up spending that money anyways lul

prime jasper
#

why were people overhyping 8 cores back in the ryzen release, wasn't bulldozer already 8 cores

sonic osprey
#

Yeah communism and everyone drives lada and plays games with ryzen 1700

red ingot
#

I'll just lower my budget in other areas

mortal nacelle
#

@red ingot put aside D:

#

and then go big

red ingot
#

Haha no I have enough $$

#

I did

#

Spent like 3k this year

mortal nacelle
#

๐Ÿ˜ฎ

red ingot
#

There is a point where its just unfeasible tho

#

Like

latent light
#

capitalism where people go into millions of dollars of debt because they get cancer or a terminal illness

red ingot
#

Spending 3k on a monitor

latent light
red ingot
#

Is a bit overkill

mortal nacelle
#

i know

#

i did goof

#

but its really nice

prime jasper
#

are you going for an ultrawide

red ingot
#

Like I spend $900 on a monitor

#

Which was big, cause my old monitor was like $250

#

300% more I spent

latent light
#

Ryzen is going to come out with a CPU next month that will beat the 9900K and will cost $200 less

red ingot
#

So in perspective I really did go "big"

sonic osprey
#

My desktop gear has cost like 5k+ euros

red ingot
#

And we'll see

#

Jesus

#

Yeah

prime jasper
#

if ipc improves by 30% (optimistic) it still won't beat out the 9900k?

sonic osprey
#

Not even a months salary though LUL

latent light
#

9900K IPC is only ~8% more than Ryzen

red ingot
#

But like for example I didnt get a 9900k cause other than gaming all I use my pc for is just general office work/web surfing

prime jasper
#

oh wait the leaks were 13% not 30% lol

red ingot
#

I dont do any rendering and stuff

#

So 9700k is fine for me

latent light
#

if the Ryzen 7 2700X could reach 5 GHz, it would only be like 5-8% less than the 9900K

#

Ryzen 7 3700X will be able to do 5 GHz boost clock

#

and will have 12 cores

sonic osprey
#

I highly doubt the first released new ryzen reach 5k

latent light
#

it will easily

#

AMD have been improving the core clocks every gen

prime jasper
#

chiplets allow for better overclocking im pretty sure

sonic osprey
#

Sure the tech can reach but they wont release them from the get go

latent light
#

Zen to Zen+ was 400MHz increase

#

Zen+ to Zen 2 will be around 600-700 MHz increase

red ingot
#

I guess we'll find out soon

sonic osprey
#

Sure LUL

prime jasper
#

intel 10nm will probably end up beating zen 2 out either way

mortal nacelle
sonic osprey
#

We have amd worker here leaking stats

latent light
#

intel 10nm might not even come out in 2019

red ingot
#

Lol I got the same shit

latent light
red ingot
#

Csnt bench

prime jasper
#

intel 10nm = tsmc 7nm

#

and im pretty sure they'll be forced to push for 2019

latent light
#

false

#

epicly false

red ingot
#

Yeah I gave up on waiting for intel 10nm

latent light
red ingot
#

I was gonna wait but I said fuck it

#

Cause it's been delayed so long already

#

And will probably be delayed again

mortal nacelle
#

@red ingot it will happen 1 day

#

its just there

red ingot
#

Yeah one day

#

Could be 2 more years

latent light
#

can't say 10nm Intel = 7nm TSMC, what matters more is transistor density

red ingot
#

I ain't waiting forever lol

sonic osprey
#

Intel will have the upper hand in the end anyways , they most likely have tech ready to be harnessed and released as soon as amd makes their move

red ingot
#

Probably

mortal nacelle
#

@red ingot 2 years for you to put money aside

red ingot
latent light
#

AMD will beat Intel by having better pricing

red ingot
#

Yeah

mortal nacelle
#

amd will crash and burn

prime jasper
#

but intel will still end up having higher market share because consumers are sheep

sonic osprey
#

Who cares intel will have better cpus

red ingot
#

But apparently we all want performance > value in this channel

mortal nacelle
#

who cares about value ?

red ingot
mortal nacelle
#

fuck them then

#

๐Ÿ˜„

sonic osprey
#

People who dont have $$$

red ingot
#

Lol

prime jasper
#

ps5 navi mmm, 1080 performance in a console

red ingot
#

No as in

#

None of us care

latent light
#

just like they beat Intel in sales 2:1 in September, October and November

mortal nacelle
#

we don't like amd

prime jasper
#

amd is great

red ingot
#

Cause I read your comment as sarcastic lol

#

Cause yeah really nowadays value doesnt mean as much

prime jasper
#

if it weren't for ryzen we'd still have incremental perf gains from intel

mortal nacelle
#

i really do not like amd ๐Ÿ˜„

red ingot
#

And that's true

#

I 100% am for competition

mortal nacelle
#

same

latent light
#

Intel is seriously a corrupt business

mortal nacelle
#

just don't meen i like amd

red ingot
#

If it wasnt for AMD we wouldn't have performance increases

mortal nacelle
#

who issen

latent light
#

I don't like Intel because they are shady

mortal nacelle
#

i'm corrupt too

sonic osprey
#

Any business is corrupt

red ingot
#

Intel would just never innovate

prime jasper
#

intel and nvidia are evil and anticonsumer, adoredtv uploaded extensive videos on all the sketchy shit they've done over the past 20 years

mortal nacelle
#

i cheat where i can

#

i cheat in bfv also

red ingot
#

Oh yeah any big business is corrupt

mortal nacelle
#

playing on low settings

red ingot
#

As long as u don't use nvidia inspector and change your ini

#

I'm ok

mortal nacelle
#

gotta cheat the system ๐Ÿ˜„

red ingot
#

Cause fuck that shit

sonic osprey
#

Amd is corrupt too, most likely got all their tech studying intel cpus

red ingot
#

Its human nature

mortal nacelle
#

thats against the rules i think to changes ini @red ingot

red ingot
#

It is

#

But people do it

mortal nacelle
#

so not doing that

red ingot
#

And dont get banned

latent light
#

false, Intel gave AMD rights to use 86-bit architecture

sonic osprey
#

Just making small modifications so the teacher does not notice amd copied intels homework

mortal nacelle
#

not sure the can see it @red ingot

red ingot
latent light
#

and when AMD started to make their own CPUs in the 80s, they got ahead of Intel and Intel started crying about it

red ingot
#

Yeah well intel has had some pretty anti competitive shit

#

Like the whole kickbacks thing

latent light
#

then Intel tried to take the agreement out of their hands

#

which AMD took to court and won

red ingot
#

Making manufacturers use intel exclusively

#

Yeah

#

Anti competitive

#

Read a case study about it a while back

mortal nacelle
#

hey @red ingot you can only use Kappa from now on

red ingot
#

But yeah intel has done some shad shit

mortal nacelle
#

i'm intel

red ingot
#

Okay Kappa

mortal nacelle
#

Good boy

red ingot
prime jasper
#

they bribed oems to stop putting amd cpus in their pcs

red ingot
#

Yeah

prime jasper
latent light
#

AMD invented 64-bit architecture and multi-core CPUs, Intel made 86-bit architecture

prime jasper
#

fucking vlc was lagging on integrated graphics haha

sonic osprey
#

86bit LUL

#

x86 was 32bit

latent light
#

Intel made x86

#

AMD made x64

sonic osprey
#

Well no

#

64bit was already used in supercomputers not meant for consumer use

#

In the 70s

mortal nacelle
#

sure sure

sonic osprey
#

Amd may have copied the architecture from the RISC processors and made them available on the consumer market

latent light
#

Intel and AMD were companion companies throughout the 70s and early 80s

#

then Intel threw AMD under the bus and AMD reverse engineered their CPUs

sonic osprey
latent light
#

in the mid 80s, Intel tried to make illegal payments towards PC companies like HP, Dell, IBM to prevent them from selling AMD products

#

which worked for a bit until 1991

#

when they were caught breaking European law

#

and lost a lot of money

prime jasper
#

they were fined billions but they had nearly bankrupted amd in that time so it was a win for them

#

at that point their marketshare went from 50% to 90%

latent light
#

not billions lmao

prime jasper
#

im pretty sure

#

it was billions

#

in europe

latent light
#

around $200 million

#

Intel almost got banned from Japan for breaking international trade laws

prime jasper
#

all together it was somewhere near 2 billion

latent light
#

that was over the coarse of 20 years

#

I was talking about the case in 1991

prime jasper
#

ah right

latent light
#

you know there was a time where Nvidia thought Intel was going to make their motherboards to where they didn't support Nvidia GPUs lmao

#

for some reason Intel and Nvidia don't get along

prime jasper
#

both companies have spoofed benchmarks in the past

#

so i wouldn't mind if intel were sticking it to nvidia

latent light
#

left-wing websites hate Intel lol

#

like The Hill, Washington Post, The Guardian, ect.

prime jasper
#

leftist media hates pretty much everything

latent light
#

yeah

prime jasper
#

just a reason to stay relevant i guess

latent light
#

this is the 2009 lawsuit

#

that $1.45 billion should be paid to AMD, not the EU

mortal nacelle
#

Nah EU

#

We need the money ๐Ÿ˜‚

latent light
#

Nvidia is pretty fucked too

#

they hold back game engines by keeping PhysX for themselves

mortal nacelle
#

NVIDIA is just same As Apple

prime jasper
#

Basically

#

RTX series really showed off Nvidias true colors

latent light
#

Nvidia implemented Ray-Tracing the wrong way

#

they should have waited another generation when they could tell more game devs to optimize for it

latent light
#

it was truly a terrible time to release it

#

2 year generation gap only to see ~30% performance improvements for higher prices

mortal nacelle
#

i dont use it

#

at all

red ingot
#

WELL

#

whoops caps

#

i think its more of a they didn't want to wait to release another series

#

wanted to make some $$$

#

cause lots of people bought in anyways

latent light
#

they also wanted to get rid of Pascal stock

#

I view the RTX 2000 series as a prototype

red ingot
#

yeah

#

it really is

latent light
#

2100 series will have much improved ray-tracing performance

steep gust
#

@latent light the generational improvements are fine

#

It's the price

latent light
#

manufacturing RT cores costs Nvidia like $100 on each 2080 Ti

#

manufacturing the card alone probably costs $400-500

#

maybe less idk

steep gust
#

Source?

#

Because it's a massive die and the larger the die, the worse yields

#

You also have to remember Nvidia isnt making profit until its R&D is paid off

And making new architectures is expensive lit

tired laurel
#

What's the min watt requirement for a rxt 2080?

steep gust
#

Like 450w?

It has a TDP of what 225w at stock?

#

So as long as your CPU / GPU isnt overclocked you are fine on 450w

With overclocking I'd step it up to a 550w or 650w (more towards 650w)

lofty light
#

IMO it's always worth getting a great PSU that can last a decade

tired laurel
#

So will a 500 do?

#

For now ofc

steep gust
#

Yes

tired laurel
#

Ok on the box it said 650w

#

Got a bit ner ous

mental hatch
#

Considering 7700k and 1080ti only pull ~350w anything over 650w is a waste of money imo

steep gust
#

Uh no

#

A 1080ti is 250w

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And a 7700k be dated

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A 8700k at stock does like 170w

mental hatch
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We're still at ~400w then

steep gust
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Running your computer at stock angery

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At least max your GPU power limit if you don't want to actually overclock

mental hatch
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Still doesn't really justify getting a 750w like G3 when you could use that money for a 650 whisper m or rmx

red ingot
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Well

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Remember that psus arent 100% efficient

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I'd say at least 500-600w

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Then u have room for oc

lofty light
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Just get a 1500w HaHAA

red ingot
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I have a friend that got a 1200w for the lulz

mental hatch
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Biggest I'd go is 850 for the asus thro psu

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That's a big peen psu

red ingot
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I'm personally running an 860w

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Lots of overhead

lofty light
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Yeah I'm on an 850w I think

steep gust
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Buying a bigger psu =/= helpful

If anything buying a 1600w psu for a 400-500w system is terrible for the psu

red ingot
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Yeah probably

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But

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I feel like 600-800w is the sweet spot

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500 is erring on the low side imo

steep gust
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Yeah stuff is getting more efficient

red ingot
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Yeah for sure

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But like, may as well get like 800 or so

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For an extra $50 maybe?

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It's worth it imo

steep gust
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No

red ingot
lofty light
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You've got more longevity with the more efficient ones too

red ingot
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Well I mean I'd rather pay $50 for peace of mind and oc ability

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But ๐Ÿคท

lofty light
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I got a 7 year warranty on mine but you can get 10+ now I think?

red ingot
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And yeah my platinum is running strong

sullen lichen
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Ok regarding the crash to desktop, still getting the error :/

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just happened 2 times within 10 mins, game is 100% unplayable, really fustrating when this is my main game at the moment

latent light
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idk man, my 550w had problems with a GTX 770 with 230w tdp

last copper
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too many people are buying PSUs with massive overhead

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overspending on it tbh

latent light
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I ordered a Gigabyte RX 580 8GB (exact model is GV-RX580GAMING-8GD) from Newegg in November and I've come across an issue. Games crashing even after trying different drivers. I've used DDU in Safe Mode to uninstall the old drivers to be sure there was no conflict but there seems to be nothing I can do to fix this problem. Games only seem to crash when they utilize more than 2GB of video memory, which is leading me to believe that the VRAM itself is faulty, or maybe the Power Delivery to the Memory is. This isn't a normal game crash either, it's like like the GPU itself turns off for a half second because my monitor cycles through different inputs for a few seconds when it crashes. I've ran Unigine Heaven Benchmark for several hours and it never crashes or gets hotter than 76C, I also ran FurMark for 30 minutes to stress it to ensure stability in the GPU core itself. No problems there. Where the trouble begins is when I play fairly demanding games (such as Witcher 3, PUBG, Battlefield 1, Battlefield V, War Thunder, ect.) that can utilize a decent amount of Video Memory. If I turn graphics settings to low, the games no longer freeze/crash because they are only using 2GB of VRAM or less. For example, War Thunder starts to stutter very heavily then freezes for 5 seconds, GPU loses signal, monitor cycles through different display inputs, and the game automatically changes the graphics settings to low with an error message saying "insufficient amount of video memory". I'm very close to sending this card back to Gigabyte for another one.

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^my forum question^

steep gust
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just RMA it

latent light
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hate going through RMA

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had to RMA my first GTX 770 a few years ago, took a month for a new one to arrive

prime jasper
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Idk why people get these big ass PSUs

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My 2700x and 1070ti runs on less than 350w

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My 600w PSU has plenty of room to OC on as well

lime pollen
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500-600w should be the maximum wattage people should use even if they have higher end pcs

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unless they're doing sli or something

crude storm
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i checked on bequiet page with my systemspecs and bought a 450 watts

tired laurel
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can someone good with a computer message me ?

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Just need to verify specs for a part ๐Ÿ˜‚

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really anxious here lmfao

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eh ill just ask here
So I received a RTX 2080 today, just want to make sure my comp is A ok for it
~I7 7700 4 Core
~16GB RAM
~550 Watts (which im buying 750W tomorrow because I want a new one anyways)

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im sure it is but just want extra opinions

lime pollen
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you're fine

tired laurel
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Sweet, ty

lime pollen
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at most you'd hit 450 w probably

crude storm
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the 750 watt are too much

tired laurel
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eh they are on sale for a EVGA Gold 750 watts for 85 on amazon

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so

lime pollen
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ah

crude storm
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between 65 and 85 percent is the sweetspot

tired laurel
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im just like might as well get it

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this is m first graphics card upgrade so quite hyped

crude storm
prime jasper
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help

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me

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my emblem isnt working

atomic atlas
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@prime jasper WaitWhat

prime jasper
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@atomic atlas my emblem isnt swowing

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@atomic atlas no matter what i do it isnt showing in game it is shown in the companion app when i press edit

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@atomic atlas you know whats up....?

storm osprey
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so with the money i got for xmas, i was looking to upgrade

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but i told myself to wait

mortal nacelle
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Wait

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If you are a amd Wait for the new cpus

storm osprey
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i have a 4790 right now, but i dont mind going to amd, especially if amd increased its icp with 7nm

mortal nacelle
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4790 is still a beast trough

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That was my cpu Before i upgrade to 9700k last month

storm osprey
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yea, thats the other thing, even in bf with my ideal settings i dont drop below 100 fps

mortal nacelle
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Id you not playing bfv in 4k dont upgrade

red ingot
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No nyphon

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Upgrade

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I just bought my rgb fans

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10/10

sonic osprey
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How much +fps?

prime jasper
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hey could any one help me..?

storm osprey
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possibly

prime jasper
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i got prpblems with my emblem

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it isn't showing in game nor in the priview in the companion app its only showing when i press edit

storm osprey
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might just take a while to load

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i suggest restarting origin or pc

red ingot
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+10fps

prime jasper
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im not on pc

red ingot
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For rgb fans

crisp shoal
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you should be

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I recently bought a rtx2070
but since I am on 1080p my cpu bottlenecks in some gmaes

storm osprey
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what cpu you got?

crisp shoal
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oh rip forget to write it