technology

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HDD was a little too close to the card

[latent light]

oof

my M.2 NVMe SSD sits right next to my RX 580 on the motherboard

don't even have a heatsink on it

but it stays under 50C lol

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nice ya that was before i got intake fans so all i had is 1 exaust

it got a little toast + my crap was old anyways

[latent light]

hope you had a blower style cooler on that gpu if you only had an exhaust fan lol

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.... no

[latent light]

blower coolers work best in poorly ventilated cases

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i made that pc at 16 when i didnt know shit about computers

luckily i baught a 600W power supply and a tower case so i got too keep both of those swapped everything else

[latent light]

I like my RX 580 because I undervolted it a lot and it runs all games stable

I took off -125mV

still runs at base clock

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O-o

[latent light]

it stays around 65C full load

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wow what thats impressive

[latent light]

before undervolt, it went to around 76C

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how did that not lower ur clock

[latent light]

it doesn't boost anymore but it still hits the base clock

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oh and thats why games are most stable

[latent light]

RX 580 is rated for 185W but the undervolt makes it under 150W lol

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https://forums.battlefield.com/en-us/discussion/162595/low-fps-with-any-settings

look im not the only one

[latent light]

lmao that dude has a i5-7500 and a gtx 1080

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"something is broken, cpu 60-70%, GPU 70% and 50ish FPS, it was working fine like 2 days ago (70+ FPS) :("|
"indeed, something with the latest patch screwed the performance big time, I was running max fidelity 2 days ago, now I can't even make stable 60 fps with medium settings...."

[latent light]

bottleneck

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60-70% cpu usage

for the other guy

i had the same issue everything was fine before the patch

[latent light]

people had performance on par with BF1 before patch lol

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there was an update during early beta and all the sudden bam my fps tanking

[latent light]

I get 70-75 fps on ultra with my RX 580

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with FFR on right?

[latent light]

some dips under 60 whenever something is happening

yeah

although FFR didn't change a lot

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ya i get 100-120 but on some fucken maps it dips to 80 70 60

[latent light]

I bet i could get 144 fps on low settings

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try it cause like i said lowering my settings game me 10 fps

gpu usage 30% cpu usage 60

[latent light]

around 110-120 fps on low

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wdf

screw this man i when into my computer triple checked everything made sure there was absolutely 0 bottleneck

[latent light]

Battlefield games have always been well optimized for AMD cards, even though BFV is an Nvidia game

kind of strange tbh

[clear widget]

i used userbench my pc is performing in the 99th percentile all parts working above expectations

ive been holding off on reinstalling the game cause i dont wanna lose all the key bindings and settings i set

but i think i might have to try it

[latent light]

do a file integrity check

[steep gust]

userbenchmark is shit

Legit just an RNG software tbh

If you don't want to lose settings back up the config

[latent light]

16-core Threadripper 1950X is 45% off at MicroCenter lol

[placid holly]

am i the only one who has a smoothie game without any bug !!

[rose eagle]

yea even at $410 it aint worth it 😄

gaming cpu only!!!

[sonic osprey]

I want to buy 9900k, 16gb 3600, but the 9900k is not available at any stores :/

[steep gust]

Fun fact

RAM over 3000mhz CL16 has very little scaling in games

Beyond CL14 3200mhz you have literally no reason to spend money

Unless you benchmark

[sonic osprey]

yes but i do also work stuff on my computer

ie compile lots of code in parallel

[red ingot]

Who doesn't benchmark

[sonic osprey]

"spend money" like 20-40euros more, its like less than half on hour work

[red ingot]

Look at mr. Moneybags over here

Making 40-80 euros an hour

[sonic osprey]

[red ingot]

That's actually a lot

That's like $60-120 CAD/h

Wtf

Where do u work

[sonic osprey]

im a senior consult in ux/ui who can also do the coding part, working on a 3d construction design software

[red ingot]

Nice

That's like 120-240k CAD/year

Damn

U can donate me PC parts

[sonic osprey]

no

sorry, I will not :(

basically i'm billing the customer for 100e/hour

for the past 4 years so far, maybe its time to rise the price

[steep gust]

Uh yeah

RAM speeds won't cause a 20-30 minute drop in compile time

Also you should be looking at something like a 2950x then

[red ingot]

Welp I tried

Hopefully one day I'll be making that much

[sonic osprey]

yeah, considering amd build but still I somehow prefer more intel

[red ingot]

[steep gust]

Intel has shit price to performance

and shit consumer practices

Remember kids

[red ingot]

What daddy

[steep gust]

6c and 8c were impossible on the current LGA155x socket

[red ingot]

What do I have to remember

O.o

[steep gust]

Intel claimed a lot of shit as to why they kept 4c 8t flagship CPUs for years

Then Rzyen shows up

Look guys Kabylake can handle 6 cores

and then 8 cores

[sonic osprey]

well, what do you expect, do they want to say "yeah we could push more from this but we wont because we want to profit first before pushing more"

[steep gust]

Yes

[sonic osprey]

its all about making money brah

[steep gust]

You can make money and still have competitive products

See Maxwell -> Pascal for Nvidia

[red ingot]

Businesses 101

[sonic osprey]

unless there is competition its all how the sole provider handles the availability

[red ingot]

Intel still owns the market

They dgaf

[steep gust]

Not for consumers anymore

AMD is quickly gaining market share

[red ingot]

Consumers are like 5%

I don't have stats

It's a guess

[steep gust]

And Eypc 2 is going to trash Intel server market share

[red ingot]

But I doubt it can be large

For all we know they have bigger and better shit

[steep gust]

eh

[red ingot]

Ready to roll out

[steep gust]

Remember the whole 5.0ghz 28c?

[sonic osprey]

I hope the lower nm tech will provide more competition

I do

because more competition is better for consumers

[steep gust]

Its not competition

A fucking water chiller is beyond normal uses

*IIRC it was chilled water could have be phase change

[red ingot]

This is true

More competition is better

[sonic osprey]

it is better for consumers, because providers have the drive to do better

[steep gust]

It was an advertisement

That CPU was drawing thousands of watts

If you think Intel overclocking a $10,000 CPU is helping consumers then

Since it was just an unlocked 8180

Yeah the 2990WX was an overhyped product, but it changed the market

[sonic osprey]

yes those things need to happen to push development forward

[steep gust]

Remember kids

[sonic osprey]

if you don't disrupt the market it is stale

[steep gust]

A few years ago 4k 30hz was considered impossible

Well more than a few years but shh

[sonic osprey]

when I started with computers 320x200 was good resolution

[steep gust]

Now we have single GPUs that can do 4k 60hz+

If you treat the 2080TI like the Titan GPU it is, then the next few generations are gonna be sweet

[sonic osprey]

400x300 was really good and 640x480 was unheard of

[steep gust]

You can mention CPU core count scaling in games

But there is a limit to that

Optimization around high core counts is fucking hard

[sonic osprey]

ofc there is a limit, it will be dependant on what the developers can split to separate cores

single frame in game about what all is happening has to happen synchronously

[steep gust]

I wish DX12 would become more common

Since proper DX12 is sweet

[sonic osprey]

oops had a typo, meant synchronously, not asynchronously

single frame has to be synchronous, but how the happenings are calculated can be asynhronous, but the synch point has to be based on the frame

[steep gust]

Hopefully AMD has something to combat Turing

and Intel doesn't fuck up their GPUs again

[sonic osprey]

yeah, I do hope there is more competition on graphics side

otherwise we just have to settle what nvidia will provide for us

[steep gust]

Also DDR5 and PCIE 4.0 will be f u n

Since PCIe 4.0 x8 is as fast as x16

That means NVMe won't be bandwidth limited

[sonic osprey]

yeah, but still, there are limits on the known materials used in computer tech for the time being, i'm pretty sure they have already reached the limits in lab environment but won't be releasing stuff if they can still keep milking with old existing cheaper tech

[steep gust]

Its mostly issues with mass production

[sonic osprey]

that is true

if the yield from production is low the prices gonna be sky high

[steep gust]

You can go about to 4nm before quantum tunneling becomes an issue

[rose eagle]

so.. i order through ebay newegg store get 9700k today.. 2 days to ship

ordered motherboard through newegg site, it is taking til dec 1

[harsh walrus]

guys weird issue here i5-4690k runs fine on dx11 on dx12 higher frames but cpu usage stays below 100%

any idea what might be the issue i definitely need it to max out because it feels laggy sometimes

[rose eagle]

dx12 uses less cpu

[steep gust]

DX12 is suppose to be more on GPUs

But considering BFV has a shit DX12 implementation

[harsh walrus]

still makes no sense where the lag might be coming from since the frames dont spike

[steep gust]

Frame times?

[harsh walrus]

~16

[rose eagle]

for dx12? its just crap to implement

you'll absolutely get hitching

[sonic osprey]

~16ms frametime = 60fps

[steep gust]

I meant frame time spikes

[rose eagle]

no matter what your pc is

[steep gust]

DX12 is possible to implement

Plenty of benchmarks do it properly

Games don't because not everyone is on DX12 and it isn't mainstream yet

[harsh walrus]

if i lock it with rivatuner could it help with frame time ?

[steep gust]

I wouldn't lock FPS

[harsh walrus]

yea not a fan of it as well

[rose eagle]

if you were a developer and you had to implement platform specific dx12 optimizations for like 10% benefit would you? x_x

clearly it's taking a monumental task to get it into Frostbite

[steep gust]

I'd implement DX12 and tell everyone to suck it up

[rose eagle]

imo.. it'll never make it in

[steep gust]

Just like how DX9 is dead

[rose eagle]

maybe next engine 😄

[steep gust]

DX11 also had rough years

@harsh walrus Do you know what is causing the hitching? Also if DX11 works just use it

[rose eagle]

i5 pairs with a 1060, need i7 for anything better imo

or a newer i5, at least 6c

[steep gust]

Use actual product names not naming schemes

Since Intel has fucked them

[rose eagle]

more like core thread count

[steep gust]

An i5-8600k is about the king of gaming price to performance if you overclock

Now a 7600k will struggle

[rose eagle]

3770k is just as good as a 7700k for gaming

[steep gust]

Yeah hyper threading isn't useful for games

[rose eagle]

4c4t + 1060, 4c8t does help a ton for V

[sonic osprey]

How would 16c32t threadripper run bf V?

[steep gust]

Bad

The way threadripper is built means it suffers in games

Look up a 2700x benchmark and then expect worse

[sonic osprey]

right

so basically intel still dominates

[steep gust]

For maximum FPS

[sonic osprey]

if you get 6 or 8 core intel

[steep gust]

The 2600 / 2700 will do perfectly fine for gaming

But if you want every last FPS then Intel

[rose eagle]

"perectly fine" but i bet an 8600k even beats a 2700x for gaming

[sonic osprey]

so watercooled 9900k would be best option at the atm, disregarding price

[rose eagle]

meh.. no

i bet a 9700k fully cooked OC will beat a 9900k

[sonic osprey]

9700k does not have HT

[rose eagle]

9900k is running hot as fk, anyone able to even OC it?

doesnt need it

havent you see 8600k vs 8700k benches?

no HT, less vulnerabilities 😄

[steep gust]

You do realize the 9900k doesn't run hot?

At stock

The 8700k was hotter

[sonic osprey]

thats why watercooled so you can oc

[rose eagle]

i really need to find the best aio

[steep gust]

Also 9th gen Intel as a whole is SHIT for overclocking

[rose eagle]

yea im concerned for that tbh

[steep gust]

Since the solder TIM kills thermals

[rose eagle]

you mean vs delid?

[steep gust]

yeah

[sonic osprey]

whats about the solder thing I have been reading?

they have some stock soldering on top of the chip?

[rose eagle]

gotcha, but still better than vs paste

[steep gust]

Intel went back to solder for the TIM between the IHS and die

but the issue is that they made the die thicker

and used too much solder

So its thermal conductivity is limited

[sonic osprey]

right, so basically rebuilding on top of that if you are professional oc'er is better

[rose eagle]

doesnt penetrate even as good as the 8700k paste method?

[steep gust]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5Doo-zgyQs

[rose eagle]

what about just for general purpose OC, aftermarket aio or noctua

[steep gust]

I mean solder is great for sub zero

Since it doesn't crack

It depends on looks tbh

[sonic osprey]

I currently have 115x noctua NHD14, so wonder if upping that to AIO water cooling would be better if upgrading to 9900k

[harsh walrus]

@steep gust might not be cpu related it seems gpu is dropping from 100% usage to ~20

[steep gust]

A D15 and a 240mm AIO are about equal IIRC

*Or equally performing air cooler

@harsh walrus Do you also see a spike in frametimes? Use something like MSI Afterburner

[sonic osprey]

240mm?

[steep gust]

You really want a 280mm / 360mm AIO for heavy overclocking

At least when you can't delid

[sonic osprey]

NH D15 is 140mm?

[steep gust]

D15 is a air cooler

240mm refers to the radiator size

[sonic osprey]

k

I'm new to water cooling, never even considered one

[steep gust]

a 240mm radiators fits 2x120mm fans, which is where the name comes from

[rose eagle]

@steep gust do you have research regarding the 360 models at all?

[sonic osprey]

I have been considering NZXT x52 as AIO

[steep gust]

tbh

[rose eagle]

the floe riing 360 and coolermaster ML360R seem to be kings but info out there sucks

[steep gust]

I'd go with a custom loop at that point

With sales and shopping around you can do a custom loop for $200

[rose eagle]

i dont trust myself with that nor have the patience so its either the two 360 options or just slap a noctua on and be done

[steep gust]

It would be soft tubing and not all be name brand EKWB parts

[rose eagle]

the EVGA 280 is way up there in perf but very loud

[steep gust]

Its probably super thick

I would look for radiator thickness / size

You can always replace fans

[rose eagle]

my case only fits a tiny one 😄

ill have to measure the top, it only takes a 280 though

front can fit a 360 with some work

[steep gust]

Check the spec sheet

[rose eagle]

the top mount offsets to avoid ram

[steep gust]

My case would need slim fans to fit a radiator in the front with my GPU

[rose eagle]

but it would stock block them

so that is ugly

the view anyway

yea i only have like 75mm to the GPU

[sonic osprey]

guess the best option would be to just get some custom build from somewhere instead of trying to do yourself 🤔

[steep gust]

ALL YOU HAD TO DO FRACTAL DESIGN IS MAKE THE CASE 0.5in LONGER

[rose eagle]

the 2 main 360s are like 52mm

[steep gust]

Literally like 2mm

25mm fans

[rose eagle]

lol which u got?

[steep gust]

Meshify C

[rose eagle]

i got the meshify c

ha

[steep gust]

with a ROG Strix GPU

[rose eagle]

yea its a short bus..

[steep gust]

Also my H100i doesn't block RAM

Its close

but as long as the RAM isn't longer than the DIMM slot it shouldn't cause issues

[rose eagle]

that keep things nice and cool to OC?

[steep gust]

ye

but I have a golden 8600k

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/354433588919271435/516042938321469450/20181124_190938.jpg

Bad picture since side panel

27mm radiator + 25mm fans

[sonic osprey]

so, building a gaming rig, what do you recommend at the moment for cpu? 8700k?

[steep gust]

8700k / 8068k (if you overclock)

[sonic osprey]

even if money is not an issue?

[rose eagle]

Yep

[steep gust]

https://pcpartpicker.com/b/dy9J7P

[sonic osprey]

interesting 🤔

[steep gust]

Unless you really want a 9900k

But you can just buy a 1440p 144hz / 165z monitor

and be GPU bottlenecked (in most games / depending on GPU)

[sonic osprey]

I have 144hz 3840x1080 monitor

and 2080, which i'm maybe gonna upgrade to 2080 ti

if they get the stability on them that there should be, dont want the hassle of being in rma cycle

[steep gust]

3840x1080 is about 12% more pixels than a 2560x1440p monitor

Also 2080TI haven't been dying

Anymore than normal

[storm kraken]

they've been combusting

[steep gust]

uh no

There were 1070s that literally caught on fire

RMA rates for the 2080ti are normal

[sonic osprey]

in bfv i'm more cpu bound than gpu bound

because i can lower the details / scale if want more fps, would be nice to have steady 144+fps

[steep gust]

Look up 1440p benchmarks for the CPU / GPU you want and take an estimated guess from there

[sonic osprey]

seems like only option is to upgrade cpu/ram at the moment

[steep gust]

If you have 2x8GB of RAM don't upgrade

[sonic osprey]

because my 4770k@4.2 with 16gb 1600mhz ddr3 is limiting my cpu/ram speed, gpu is not issue

[steep gust]

DDR3 oof

[split storm]

I have DDR3 too

[sonic osprey]

that is why I am considering 9900k and 16gb 3600mhz

[split storm]

I don't have problems with it

[steep gust]

Depends on your use case

[split storm]

BF5 for example only uses 10gb of ram

[sonic osprey]

because even in overwatch which is less demanding, I cant get past 240fps with my ram, even with cpu & gpu load being at 50% only

[steep gust]

I doubt RAM is capping your FPS

[split storm]

Me too

[steep gust]

It sounds like a CPU cap since overwatch doesn't perfectly scale with cores

So 50% usage would be 4 cores at 100%

[sonic osprey]

4770k is 4c8t

[steep gust]

What is 50% of 8

[sonic osprey]

so maybe it is

[steep gust]

Also the 4770k isn't exactly speedy

[sonic osprey]

in BFV my cpu is usually at 80%

[steep gust]

BFV is good at using 6 cores

Its hard to compare the 4770k to any modern CPU due to DDR3

and other fun stuff

[sonic osprey]

yeah

[steep gust]

Since just matching RAM speed / timings isn't enough

[sonic osprey]

I mean I would guess the cpu could use faster ram

but it is not worth just getting faster ram

so I guess I will just have to upgrade all cpu+mobo+ram

[split storm]

I'm playing BF5 with an 4770 on high 60fps

I'm happy with that

[steep gust]

oof 60fps

[sonic osprey]

I have 4770k+2080 3840x1080 100+fps

[steep gust]

Don't ever try a high refresh rate monitor

I can't use a 60hz panel anymore

Even windows feels better at 144hz

[rose eagle]

lol yea i got 60 next to 144 and i can tell once it hits the other screen moving the mouse

i moved V over to it to feel the diff and its like a slide show

is OC sensitive to temps over 70c 80c etc? or should it OC regardless as long as you're under the thermal limit

mainly only limited by the voltage and lottery

like my current 3770k seems fine temp wise even on a 212 evo so it would seem a waste to get a noctua

if your CPU is just limited

[harsh walrus]

@steep gust so fps is ~100 frame time +/- 3-4 ms so my gues would be the gpu usage is cousing the lag

[latent light]

playing at 144hz is super expensive so stay away from it

enjoy your 1080p 60hz monitors while you can lol

[rose eagle]

1080 144 is fine

[latent light]

i might get a 75hz monitor soon

I push close to 75 fps on my RX 580 on ultra settings when playing BFV lol

[dawn canyon]

Is this the area to ask for help with the deluxe edition stuff not working?

[steep gust]

Generally temperatures on CPUs don't really change anything in the 70s and 80s

You only get scaling with subzero on CPUs, now memory can suffer when getting hot @rose eagle

[latent light]

I've seen CPUs throttle at 80-90C before but some CPUs have faulty sensors

my i5-4690K would throttle right before it hit 90C

so I assume it was off by about 10C or so

[steep gust]

CPUs shouldn't thermal throttle until 95-105C

Now turbo might drop to reduce temps but just disable that

Also disable CPU temp monitoring in the BIOS because who gives a shit about thermal throttling

[latent light]

found a 1070 for $280

[rose eagle]

My buddy attempting to OC 7700k and even 4.8 giving errors

I think it's 4.2 base so 💩

10% OC not lottery winner

[steep gust]

Turbo of 4.5ghz

https://siliconlottery.com/pages/statistics

top 100% of 7700k can hit 4.8ghz with enough voltage

[rose eagle]

Did I get a lottery on my 3770k getting 4.3 or something?

[steep gust]

Dunno

[rose eagle]

Or 7700k just doesn't oc much

Mine is 3.5 base

[steep gust]

uh

Base clock means little 🤷

[rose eagle]

22.8% OC though?

[steep gust]

My 8600k has a base of 3.6ghz and can do 5.3ghz

That isn't a 45% overclock since the all core turbo is like 4.1ghz

Google what the all core turbo is to find what you actually overclocked

[rose eagle]

If you can't exceed your turbo it's still worthwhile though?

I don't know how turbo functions once you exceed it

With your base clock

[steep gust]

tldr it depends on how you set it

[rose eagle]

3.5/3.9 is my CPU

[steep gust]

If you set 2 cores to 5.0ghz and the other 4 to 4.8ghz, then it is functionality the same as turbo

If single core workloads your CPU will turbo to 5.0ghz, and multicore will do 4.8ghz

Now its generally just easier to sync all cores

and then the CPU will turbo up to that

[rose eagle]

So mine is all core 4.3

[steep gust]

If you have all cores set to 43x on the multiplier yes

[rose eagle]

Boost 3.9 so that's void

Yes

[steep gust]

and yeah once you change the core multipliers then factory turbo is tossed out of the bag

Stock is still there for stuff like safe mode, safe boot, etc

[ocean tulip]

hello everyone...still looking to buy BFV...but still rocking the GTX970...anyone have experience running this game with 970?

great...thanks i will try it

i have new mobo, cpu, mem, and M2 drive coming in...cant afford those shiny expensive GPUs 😦

kk

[rose eagle]

@ocean tulip 970 should be fine for 60fps easy

[ocean tulip]

thanks...thats good to know!

[rose eagle]

I got 50-80 in beta 1440p

3770k CPU

[ocean tulip]

seems like BF1 was a CPU hog more than GPU

[rose eagle]

V is moreso

So that could hurt you

[ocean tulip]

kk...i got a 8700k coming this week

[rose eagle]

Oh yeah you'll be fine unless you want 100 fps

I mean not ultra..

[ocean tulip]

just as long as it runs smooth 😉

[rose eagle]

But game looks amazing on low lol

[ocean tulip]

HAHA

[split storm]

What's wrong with 60fps? lol

[steep gust]

It feels bad

Like a slideshow

After you get use to 144hz at least

[red ingot]

anyone else getting bad server lag tonight

[rose eagle]

im getting bad actual FPS...

real bad

but i downclocked my CPU and assumed it was it, surely servers are shitting also

getting like 50fps sometimes x_x

[sick robin]

My tower has a 6600k at 4.2Ghz, 1070, and 16GB of ram what FPS / setting configs should I expect to see and use

I know my processor is kinda succ now cause no hyper thread but upgrading is not an option rn

[rose eagle]

yea i have to test by re-OCing but my FPS is SHIT tonight after putting my 3770k back to 3.5...

i had a nice 4.3 OC on it

which was about 20fps boost in game

[royal hull]

I’ve got a 6700k a 1080 and 16gb ram. Everything runs maxed out between 70 to 110 fps

It shits itself only when in breakthrough everyone is attacking/defending the same obj. Never dropped below 55 fps

Does dx12 improve performance? Mine’s off

[sick robin]

It didn’t for me in 1

Kinda made it shit itself tbh

[royal hull]

Ah no, my game’s smooth as silk

[sick robin]

I heard the game likes to eat cpu so I was a bit concerned but I should be fine

[royal hull]

Mind that all my hardware is stock. No oc whatsoever

[sick robin]

I got occasional stutter in 1 if I have chrome tabs open but if I keep everything closed it’s fine

Just high? I run 1 at ultra.

Dang my machine is already aging oof

i5 6600k is the top end i5 from that generation

And yea I’ll mess with it when the time comes

[red ingot]

huh

okay well good to know it wasn't only just me

and yeah I feel like I was getting more fps drops than usual today too :/

which doesn't make sense cause there hasn't been a client side patch...

but i definitely felt stuttery/laggy

[latent light]

I think even a 8600K would sit around 90% usage in BFV lol

[red ingot]

I guess @rose eagle will let us know how his 9700k does

[rose eagle]

its only on certain maps my cpu is pegged and causes issues but id like to remove those dips

[red ingot]

pretty much every map except fjell for me

and probably just cause it's a small map

and plus this annoys the living heck outta me cause BFV is literally the only game I have issues with

[split storm]

Only map that I sometime have more usage is on Rotterdam, I used to get shit performance on arras too, but that worked itself off, don't know how

Oh wait! We got the new RX480 driver today!

I think

Yup, it's 18.11.2

[fathom dagger]

Great, Driver update just in time for me to switch to a 1070, Good job as always AMD

[analog linden]

I fixed my performance problems by switching to fullscreen, which I hate using

But it works. Windowed fullscreen was weird, the framerate was fine, but it wasn't smooth

[latent light]

AMD cards seem to have less trouble in BFV

my RX 580 holds up well, over 70 fps on ultra settings 1080p

then again, another rx 580 user could be different

which is what bad optimization is

[clear widget]

just realized 144hz lowers pixel life 😭 my babies

[prime jasper]

seriously?

sounds kinda odd.

waht

[rose eagle]

im tempted to go with the EVGA CLC 280 , is cheapo, seems best aio and swap the fans

the competitor would be the Thermaltake floe riing 360 but $80 vs $175

[neat nacelle]

@Lyyted It's not really odd, but also really depends

the basic idea is that the pixels in your display have a limited number of times they can switch, but you should hardly reach that limit through normal use

[prime jasper]

ahh never thought of it like that. but wouldnt it be lowers pixel life faster? I cant imagine that number limit tho lol

[quaint topaz]

context to voice discussion ignore this

[green nebula]

oof

[cosmic star]

i can't launch bf5

after 'play' nothing

[prime jasper]

Is the i5 8600k any good for battlefield v?

yes

i use an i5 4690k and run the game just fine

reee ok

what gpu you got

oof

lemme see

i use an i5 4690k with a gtx 1060 and i get like 90 fps. sometimes in 100s

[lofty light]

👀

[prime jasper]

Radeon RX580 8gb oc edition or something

that is a decent card

you should be running this game a bit better than me. amd cards work well in frostbyte engine games

ah

oki

[wicked nymph]

Hey Guys. Does someone els have a Bug in BFV where u cant see things in ur arsenal? I can see the price but not the picture..

[cosmic star]

@wicked nymph +++

[queen field]

praise novideo

[small fractal]

@wispy wing Dual channel 2x8gb 3200mhz 😦 not sure why im running low FPS then

[prime jasper]

@prime jasper how did you sort low fps problem for your i5? i use a 4590 and fps keeps contantly dropping with rx 580 at 1080p with low or either ultra settings. may whisper me solution?

[craggy dagger]

THE DAY IS TODAY MY FRIENDS

Or not?

idk

anyways, is there a chance my pc cannot have 2 screens?

[prime jasper]

there is-you try run two 4k screens ;p

it doesnt affect the perf but in fact hogs the memory clock usage making it idle at max on newer generation nvidia gpus

so it's better orr running secondary monitor on igpu

yep

it idles at 100%

for amd and gtx 1000 series

once u set the monitor up

[unborn epoch]

Doesn't happen for me

[prime jasper]

it maxed out the memory clock. at least to me

so i prefer use cpu';s integrated graphics for secondary monitor.-less stress for the gpu.

it idles at max

thats why ur gpu is above 50C

[craggy dagger]

@plain vessel what...? sorry but that was not my question?

[prime jasper]

it infact can easily reach 60C on idle running secondary monitor due to the fact of resolution

[craggy dagger]

i asked if there's a chance my pc, GPU cannot have more than 1 screen

[prime jasper]

let's say running 2-3 2k mnonitors are more heavier than 1080p or 720p right?

hiting in load 75C is normal

[craggy dagger]

@plain vessel WHERE IS IT

[prime jasper]

what u can do is to adjust fan curves

[craggy dagger]

bottom/up?

[prime jasper]

the mem clock is maxed out or nearly maxed

which means-ur gpu might idle in usage at arund 10% in example

but it takes memory clock which results in extra heat when fans off still.

once u plug the monitor to mb for igpu support-it dips down to 40s

and yet that reached 50C

[craggy dagger]

@plain vessel you took a picture like i can see through all the cables

[prime jasper]

so having single monitor on gpu would dip down temps under 40s

[craggy dagger]

wait, does that mean my temperture will go up?

temp

[prime jasper]

yep

[craggy dagger]

and that brings performance down...?

[prime jasper]

on idling system because of multi monitor plugged to gpu makes it take a little perf u could use for games

it's like zero to none

[craggy dagger]

@plain vessel thanks man,if i took a picture of my pc, could you analyze it please?

[prime jasper]

but in temperatures, having single monitor is about 10-25C lower degrees of any ambient temp

does your MB support DVI?

[craggy dagger]

like, im using one for games and one for you know, discord and stuff

[prime jasper]

or hdmi/DP ? so u could plug the second monitor there

[craggy dagger]

@plain vessel gtx 1060 6gb, NOT Ti

[prime jasper]

and run it on igpu

or it doesnt support integrated graphics?

[craggy dagger]

uhh wha?

english...?

Hmm, lemme check

[prime jasper]

@craggy dagger what cpu you got?

[craggy dagger]

where can i know? or i need to actually find the paper of my pc parts

@prime jasper i7 something, dont remember the rest

[prime jasper]

dxdiag

check the model

i hope it's not S/T so u can run igpu

[craggy dagger]

wait a miute

brb

[prime jasper]

meh just type in search dxdiag

it'll tell the processor u got

@craggy dagger running secondary monitor on single dedicated gpu affects not the actual performance by a significant margin but the temperatures of gpu idling with fans off. the way reduce it is to run monitor on igpu

[craggy dagger]

ok, so i have no idea where the reciept is

wait, people actually buy two gpus?

[prime jasper]

a sheet of paper with specifications

[craggy dagger]

why...?

[prime jasper]

listen

processor has their own graphics that are integrated

[craggy dagger]

@prime jasper i mean, i know what a reception is, i have no idea where is it tho

[prime jasper]

the igpu's are mostly as a back up for secondary monitor which isnt used for computing

also igpu's are a great opportunity in streaming if you dont have the capture card such as elgato.

[craggy dagger]

whats igpu

[prime jasper]

igpu-integrated graphics processing unit(intel cpu's igpu)

for amd integrated graphics are called APU.

[craggy dagger]

ok, so i can use my cpu as a backup plan for my second screen

[prime jasper]

yeh

but u ned have dvi/hdmi or dp port for it

and enable igpu's in bios

[craggy dagger]

sound ok i guess, does it affect performance?

[prime jasper]

low to none

and your dedicated card will idle at lower temperatures

[craggy dagger]

what do you mean, will idle at lower tempeatures

?

[prime jasper]

the rest of igpu's performance u can use for obs as a streaming card until you get dedicated one

yeh

on idle ur 1060 will idle at lower temps

it can be from10C to 25C difference

depending on ambient temps which usually isnt a matter.

[craggy dagger]

this thing is so complicated lmao, i just want a 144hz screen

but i dont wanna waste my current one

[prime jasper]

for me the room can be at 15C or at 25C, so the temps are just 2C diff when using igpu for multi monitor

[craggy dagger]

so im gonna use it as a second one

[prime jasper]

buy an adapter

[unborn epoch]

My 1080ti is 40c idle

[prime jasper]

if ur mobo doesnt support dvi and its a dvi port

[craggy dagger]

OMG THIS IS TOO COMPLICATED

[unborn epoch]

But with fans not spinning that's expected

[craggy dagger]

How much does an adapter cost?

[prime jasper]

it rlly depends

[craggy dagger]

@unborn epoch omg shut up nick you are making me more stressed than I am

[prime jasper]

it can be from 1$ to 20$'s

usually 3$ 😄

[craggy dagger]

difference between prices is?

[prime jasper]

hgo from a dvi let's say to DP or hdmi basic cable

the performance-usually spliters are most expensive

or cables that can handle higher badwidth but in basic tasking tat's a waste of money.

[unborn epoch]

Just plug in the fucking cables

[craggy dagger]

omg i might as well just give up on this current screen

[prime jasper]

look

[craggy dagger]

really, its gonna make me have less of an headache

[prime jasper]

use ur mobo as a station for secondary screen

[craggy dagger]

and a mobo is?

[prime jasper]

go to fking bios and find enable multi monitor

motherboard

it'll enable integrated graphics if u didnt until now

[unborn epoch]

Unless you old ass monitor has a VGA connection you will be able to connect a 144hz monitor and your old monitor

[craggy dagger]

nick i see you typing there

OMG

@unborn epoch its a white cable

DETAILS 100

really tho?

[unborn epoch]

The connector is white?

[craggy dagger]

true.

[unborn epoch]

Or the cable is white

[craggy dagger]

connector

the one i plug in, yes\

[unborn epoch]

Then it's most likely dvi

[craggy dagger]

GOOD OR BAD

[unborn epoch]

Good

[craggy dagger]

YES.

so what do i do first when i get the monitor

if i even buy it

[unborn epoch]

Your GPU has at least one displayport connector

So connect your new monitor to the display port connector on your gpu

Graphics card*

[craggy dagger]

but my screen that im using now is already connected

[unborn epoch]

Yas your 1060 has 3 or 4 inputs

[craggy dagger]

i mean, it has small holes

is it good?

[unborn epoch]

Take a picture

[craggy dagger]

oh come on

i gotta change passwords and stuff

[unborn epoch]

You can't name the brand

I don't know what you mean by small holes

Also imgur doesn't require an account to upload images

If you want a correct answer the easiest route is a picture

[craggy dagger]

ok

just wait a bit can you?

thanks a bunch

[prime jasper]

When they drop the new patch? 4 dec?

[craggy dagger]

wrong channel my friend

[prime jasper]

Oh i saw that now

[craggy dagger]

wait, i dont need a certain cable for the monitor, right? different ones can work if i got it right

[prime jasper]

yes, as long the motherboard supports that port.

unless you need keep your monitor plugged into the gpu so keep at it

[craggy dagger]

so if i do, its false?

[prime jasper]

u dont need change

it depends on what ports monitor supports

[craggy dagger]

wait, it can support multiple ones?

[prime jasper]

and gpu always of current gen supports 1dvi 1hmi and DP

[craggy dagger]

im just going to get a picture of my pc

[prime jasper]

gpu can support multi monitors depending on of a maximum resolution

[craggy dagger]

1920x1080 is ok?

[prime jasper]

maximum resolution of 1060 is 7680x4320@60Hz

[craggy dagger]

im gonna make then compy the primary one, not stretch

@prime jasper lmao thats alot

[prime jasper]

u cna plug into even 240hz monitor

means

u can run let's say 4k UHD+ 2K monitors at the same time

and a highly limited 2x 4's UHD-real 2x 4k will not be supported.

[craggy dagger]

if im gonna take a picture of my pc, are you going to be able to analyze what's what?

[prime jasper]

u can run up to 4 1920x1080p monitors on your card

that doesnt include the igpu if ur mb has its own ports. but sorta of a waste xd

your card has 5 ports

if u plug 1080p 1920\s monitors there will be 4 of them fully supported

1920x4=7680p on 1080x4=4320p

but plugging into 4of them limits the main monitor's refresh rate-itll degradate from 144hz to 60hz.

so 2 monitors are a sweet spot for 1080p@gtx 1060

[craggy dagger]

so there's no chance i cant fit two if i got it right

just play around and see what cable fits

right?

[unborn epoch]

Yes

You can easily connect 2 monitors. It's not a graphics card limit

[craggy dagger]

thx

[prime jasper]

gpu limit is 4 1920x1080p which results in only 60hz support.

so connecting two 1080p while one of them is 144hz-there's no limitations

[craggy dagger]

so lemme get it right now, how do they work?

does my mouse just smoothly move from one to another?

my most concerns are how the mouse moves from one to another

what about ingame?

does it happen too?

great, im using fullscreen

hmm, when im gonna press ESC for the menu ingame, is it gonna let me do so? because thats the whole point of two screens

when i do that i can see my mouse soooooo

?

i mean, when im pressing esc to see my mouse

thats really disapointing

thats the whole reason i wanted to get a second monitor, TO NOT tab out

hmm

nah, im only using fullscreen

i wonder if i can make bf not tab out but only show desktop

[prime jasper]

not minimize it and make temp windowed?

if i get correctly you need it stick full screen right awhile surfing on the other monitor right? do borderless for battlefield but at first adjust refresh rate for the main monitor to the max else it'll be set to smth random

[craggy dagger]

i only play fullscreen, i dont like anything else

btw, when i mirror my screens, it doesnt litterally miror them right?

for example, i want to have discord opened on the second one and bf on the primary

[molten coral]

So why do you prefer fullscreen? there isn't really a change between that and borderless fullscreen.

It's only easier to swap over to different screens.

[craggy dagger]

i just like it

[molten coral]

[craggy dagger]

btw, do you have an answer to my question?

[molten coral]

sorry what was the question.

I didn't read everything

[craggy dagger]

above your first message

[molten coral]

if you mirror your screens one screen will copy your main monitor

[unborn epoch]

windows never mirrors

mirror = copy

[craggy dagger]

how can i make one show bf and one show discord

[unborn epoch]

drag discord to the screen you want and open battlefield

[craggy dagger]

so what option to choose in windoes?

[unborn epoch]

expand

or extend

something along those lines

[craggy dagger]

doesnt that mean bf will be all over the two screens if i choose fullscreen?

[unborn epoch]

no that never happens unless you set it up specifically inside nvidia control panel

[prime jasper]

it wont since you;ll be able adjust the resolution for a single monitor and choose which one supports the game.

[craggy dagger]

which one supports the game=primary monitor???

[prime jasper]

yep

[craggy dagger]

ah

i got it

[prime jasper]

u choose primary one on the game settings

[craggy dagger]

ahhhh

much better

much clearer

much Y E S

[unborn epoch]

it's easier to do it in windows too, not all games support monitor selection

[prime jasper]

in nvidia control panel u choose mods-extend/expand screen or separate

also mirror

[craggy dagger]

@unborn epoch bf does

[unborn epoch]

yes, bf is not all games

[craggy dagger]

@prime jasper its ok its also in windoes

[unborn epoch]

bf is barely a game

[molten coral]

This is how my setup looks like and thx to borderless I can just swap over without tabbing out @craggy dagger

Not playing a game at the moment but you get the point

[craggy dagger]

OMG WHY

WHY ARE YOU USING VERTICAL

[unborn epoch]

also make sure you set your refreshrate to 144 in windows, makes everything in windows a lot more enjoable

[craggy dagger]

i get it

thanks

[molten coral]

I like this setup better then 2 screens next to each other

[unborn epoch]

ya looks nice

looking to the left or up is equally strenuous

or right

and if you have a true neckbeard chair you just have a headsupport anyway

[strong breach]

send me a bottle

[molten coral]

That pic is from months ago those bottles aren't there anymore

[unborn epoch]

nacho, why not route your headphone cable underneath the table?

[molten coral]

I take my headphone with me if I go somewhere on the train etc

[strong breach]

SMH Nacho

[unborn epoch]

ah right

[lofty light]

I've got three screens all in a line

An ultrawide in the middle too 😛

[molten coral]

I've like 20 more bottles downstairs.

I can share

[unborn epoch]

do you also have 20 more livers

2077 cybernetic technology, hotswappable livers

[molten coral]

I'm half cyborg, I had an operation to change my liver.

So I can drink all I want and don't get drunk

[unborn epoch]

so are you 25% human or 25% machine?

assuming a cyborg is 50/50

[molten coral]

If i'm 25% human and 25% machine what is the other 50%

[unborn epoch]

a cyborg per definition is already human/machine

i'm taking this too far, thanks for RUINING IT

the other 50% is probably nachos though

[craggy dagger]

i hope you guys are ready

to see my pc

the picture doesnt upload...?

[quaint topaz]

nacho

addicted

[molten coral]

[craggy dagger]

@unborn epoch

do it right niw

now

[unborn epoch]

https://i.imgur.com/a4UDLlv.jpg

relax

[craggy dagger]

so what cable do i need?

for the new screen

[lofty light]

They should come with?

[sick robin]

I’ve been wanting to do that with my monitors as well but never got around to buying the mount

[unborn epoch]

no

cheaper 144hz monitors come with HDMI cables, which is dumb as hell

you need displayport for any new 144hz+ monitor

[sick robin]

I say I want to free up space in my desk but I know I’m probably just gonna put another monitor there cause that’s just how I am

[lofty light]

HDMI can technically support it

[unborn epoch]

new standard can yes

[lofty light]

But you'll find the manufacturers will cheap out

[sick robin]

Is it 2.0 or 2.1 that can

I’m not up to snuff on my cables

[lofty light]

My two secondary screens are 144Hz and they only get the full Hz on DVI-D

[sick robin]

I mean if it works whatever I use DVI-D on my second monitor cause it’s like 7 years old lol

[unborn epoch]

ya

older screens need dvi-d

or displayport

[sick robin]

It has DVI-D and VGA

[unborn epoch]

yours is hella old then

[sick robin]

It’s some old Samsung 1080p monitor

[lofty light]

Mines got DVI-D and HDMI but an older standard

[sick robin]

I don’t need a fancy screen for discord or system monitors

For its age it’s actually a really nice panel lol

I wanna get a 144Hz Monitor but I feel like my 1070 couldn’t run games at that speed

Or games like battlefield I guess

[unborn epoch]

what resolution

it would run bfv at 1080p easily, if you lower your settings that is

[ivory kayak]

anyone else got fps drops after new update?

[prime jasper]

my page file is hitting 12gb on BFF

bfv

how bad is that

and should I consider moving the game to my ssd

actually I think I’m reading it wrong

[steep gust]

That is bad

Move your page file to your SSD

and BFV

and get more RAM

[sick robin]

How big is BF5 atm

I only have a 250GB SSD I might have to purge stuff when it comes out of the performance benefit is high

Oh it’s already out isn’t it

When I get around to buying it

[red ingot]

Maybe I should try moving bfv to my ssd and see if that helps

Has anyone done that and know if it makes a difference?

[steep gust]

It will if its using a page file a ton

[red ingot]

No clue if it is.. lol

[prime jasper]

would mix and match 8 + 4 gig sticks work

you only need 12 gigs of ram for bf to run at a stable framerate right

[steep gust]

you lose dual channel

[red ingot]

Afaik mixing kits is never a good idea

[unborn epoch]

mixing is possible if you get the timings identical

gl with that

[red ingot]

challenge accepted

[steep gust]

or just use jedec standard

every RAM kit is rated at 2133mhz

Its not recommended since you lose almost all overclocking when different sized RAM sticks

Just buy a second 8GB stick for like $40

[rose eagle]

@steep gust so if somehow a 212 evo can keep a cpu at 75c before it starts being unable to be OC you'd say that's prob just due to the cpu itself right? a better cooler would be useless.

useless, as far as a better OC

[green nebula]

Depends which cpu ?

[red ingot]

or well, how much voltage ur pushing through

[rose eagle]

i mean let's just assume you've hit the "best" voltage and mhz and it's at 75c

the cpu doesnt seem like it'll take more

buying a noctua or better cooling wouldnt help it OC more?

[red ingot]

idk about oc

maybe better temps

[rose eagle]

if it was reaching like 90c i think it might

[red ingot]

i know when I switched from my 212 Evo to an h100i my temps went down by like 10c

under max load

[rose eagle]

im prob buying a CLC 280

[red ingot]

used to peak at like 70c i peak at like 60c now

[rose eagle]

putting my 140mm front fans on it

that cooler for some reason seems the best rad

[red ingot]

god i want your stuff to come in already

i want the benchmarks

😄

[rose eagle]

i had like 9 tabs opened last night researching lol

man i had shit FPS again last night...

on base clock

[red ingot]

:/

i was getting shittier fps than usual

which doesnt make sense

other guys i was playing with were saying same thing

idk what kind of sorcery is happening rn

[unborn epoch]

twentybillion megahurts

[red ingot]

yes

[steep gust]

@rose eagle If you are at the daily voltage limit on a hyper 212, or require a ton more voltage to hit the next multiplier then a better cooler does nothing

[unborn epoch]

just buy a damn 9700k

FFS

[steep gust]

9700k is not a good cpu

[unborn epoch]

get that motherboard FAASSSTTEEERRRR

[rose eagle]

yea so i think im just going to slap my 212 Evo on the new cpu and see if it OCs first

if im thermal limited then ill look into an aio

[steep gust]

All of 9th gen CPUs are bad products

[green nebula]

9700k is trash

🤷

[unborn epoch]

ur a bad product

tell yo MUM

[rose eagle]

is trash but if you gave me a 8700k vs 9700k for free i wouldnt piss on the 9700k and reject it lol

rtx is trash as well

guess my whole PC will be trash 😉

[green nebula]

i'd sell 9700k and save for Ryzen 7 2700x

🤷

[rose eagle]

2700x is a downgrade from my fkin 3770k though

[steep gust]

RTX is trash, Turing is okay

[rose eagle]

i cant just buy it and wait for amd to release their new line

[unborn epoch]

9700k beats 2700x in vidya all day everyday

[steep gust]

So just wait for Zen2

[green nebula]

I'm not exactly only doing video games though.

[unborn epoch]

the guy behind zen already left amd

everything amd is coming with now will be DOOKIE

because the brain behind current architecture already ran away

[steep gust]

what

[rose eagle]

who needs HT when ye got 8 cores!

[unborn epoch]

DOOKIE

[steep gust]

You really think Intel has the same people who made x86?

[unborn epoch]

no, that's why you haven't seen any major improvements for years

[rose eagle]

no one can take over

[unborn epoch]

[rose eagle]

apple is dead

[unborn epoch]

also x86 is made by amd

[rose eagle]

Blizzard is dead

oh wait..

[unborn epoch]

or at least, amd has the patent

[steep gust]

uh no?

Intel made the 8086 that pioneered the x86 CPU instruction set

[unborn epoch]

ya not the 64bit variant we see now

is playing Creedence Clearwater Revival - Fortunate Son

this is your jam @rose eagle

[red ingot]

wat

[unborn epoch]

The x86-64 InstrUcTure Set is PAtenTEd By AmD

[steep gust]

Intel has its own variants of it

Intel owns multiple patents AMD needs

[unborn epoch]

ya intel is better

[steep gust]

ya no

Intel is shit

[unborn epoch]

[steep gust]

They didn't expect competition which is why getting 10nm to work is taking so long

[unborn epoch]

apple will be #1 chip designer in 10 years anyway

who KAAAREEESS

[steep gust]

Apple won't

Apple makes mobile ARM CPUs

[unborn epoch]

which will be faster than whatever amd and intel is doing

[steep gust]

You do realize you can't draw 500w on a mobile phone

[unborn epoch]

You do realize they are planning on making chips for their non-mobile products as well

so called mac

[steep gust]

Doesn't mean they will be good

[unborn epoch]

MakinTooSh

ya will be the best

[steep gust]

Mac have shitty cooling solutions

[unborn epoch]

1 trillion budget, eaaasy

[red ingot]

draw 500w on mobile phone

well

[unborn epoch]

shitty cooling solution requires more efficient chips = better chipskees

[steep gust]

An overclocked 7980XE easily does 500w

Also silicon has some pretty well know limits and just becoming more efficient =/= better

[unborn epoch]

shut up amd fanboy ur such a debby downer bro

who even thinks about silicon anyway

[green nebula]

[unborn epoch]

amd will probably release a fully optics based processor by the year 2021

err

apple

amd is still on wool technology

call it Retina

[red ingot]

so what's the solution then

once we reach the limits of silicon

im curious

[unborn epoch]

there are plenty of (more expensive) materials to chase after

[steep gust]

There are more exotic materials

[red ingot]

i like exotic

but like what though - im genuinely curious

[unborn epoch]

Graphene

[red ingot]

cause yeah afaik moore's law is becoming less and less relevant every year

so like graphene doesn't have the same limits of silicon?

[unborn epoch]

apparently not, i'm no graphenist

it's just extremely difficult to work with

[steep gust]

Anything that is a conductor could be used

Moore's Law isn't an actual law

Its an observation

That isn't super accurate even nowadays

[red ingot]

well yeah no i know it's an observation not a law

but like it's been pretty relevant afaik until the last few years

and yeah like back in the 60's or whatever everything was expanding at an exonential rate now not so much

but i guess silicon is still used cause it's the cheapest? just found some random article about graphene and apparently it's way better than silicon

[unborn epoch]

also i'm confident the future isn't even in electronic cpus, it's all about the protons bay-bee

[red ingot]

more speed & less power

plus from what i understood before the issue also comes down to size - like we can only make shit so small

cause u know can't really make something smaller than the size of an atom

[steep gust]

Before that

You hit quantum tunneling

[red ingot]

yeah what's quantum tunneling

i've heard people throw that term around

[unborn epoch]

funky shit, that's for sure

[red ingot]

and google is like no help

it's all too sciency for my small brain

[steep gust]

Its when electrons decide to be in a different spot randomly

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i see

so like that happens when u get super small

and not much u can do to counter it

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Quantum tunnelling or tunneling is the quantum mechanical phenomenon where a particle passes through a potential barrier that it classically cannot surmount tldr electrons go through stuff they shouldn't

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i see

i guess i'm just trying to understand why that happens as u get smaller + what can we do to stop that

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Quantum mechanics apply to tiny stuff on the scales on atoms

So don't go that small and its not an issue

You can't really stop it

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ah so essentially we are restricted by size then

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It ruins CPUs since they kinda rely on electrons moving in defined ways

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yeah that makes sense

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photonic computing

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The chances are super super super small still

But when you have billions of transistors with billons of cycles a second then the chances go up

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idk i guess im just wondering whether we're close to reaching our limits