technology

[unborn epoch]

i have no idea what that article is about

[prime jasper]

SSD's performance

SX8200 is labeled as highest price to performance low price SSD(faster than 860evo)

[unborn epoch]

what about return numbers? how often do a-data ssds get returned?

[prime jasper]

in lithuanian market that doesn't work like this.

not fast

970 evo goes for around 110euros here of 250gb

SX8200 for ~70s

[unborn epoch]

LOL

you guys are getting scammed

[rose eagle]

ill never buy anything but Evos, rock stable ;D

[unborn epoch]

970 evo 500gb is 120 here in the netherlands

[prime jasper]

860evo is pon par of mx500

[rose eagle]

kinda like fk you AMD 😄

[lofty light]

Evo's are great price perf

[prime jasper]

but both of them slower than sx8200

whiole 860 evo is also m.2 type

[unborn epoch]

lithuania got all their prices messed up

[rose eagle]

the 860 m.2 perform exactly the same as the 2.5?

[unborn epoch]

970 evo 250gb is 74eu here

[prime jasper]

it's messed up. so only solution is check everything

sometimes u find better performing ssds from adata

[unborn epoch]

Snutten where are you from/ Scamdinavia?

[prime jasper]

you're free to do that

ADATA SSD is also micron one(sx8200)

[rose eagle]

can get a 500gb 860evo m.2 right now for $93 from newegg

[prime jasper]

which means-theyre the same oem as crucial ones

[rose eagle]

970 is like $160?

no gaming situations even use half the 860 i assume

[unborn epoch]

i got a evo 970 1tb

[rose eagle]

ive never watched my hdd usage during BF

[prime jasper]

http://www.skytech.lt/mzv7e250bw-samsung-970-evo-ssd-250gb-nvme-15003400-mbs-p-390164.html

[unborn epoch]

and a 1tb samsung evo 860

[prime jasper]

http://www.skytech.lt/asx8200np240gtc-adata-sx8200-ssd-240gb-pcie-gen3-readwrite-30501200mbs-p-387695.html

sec ill give u perf result pics

[rose eagle]

im not even sure what's going on in here anymore tbh

[unborn epoch]

also adata has 3 year warranty

[rose eagle]

id like to discuss GSync perf over your monitor's refresh rat and what happens 😄

[unborn epoch]

samsung has 5 year warranty

performance per dollar isn't the only deciding factor please

[prime jasper]

http://www.technews.lt/portal/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/ADATASX8200HDTunewrite64Cwo-650x414.png
http://www.technews.lt/portal/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/ADATASX8200HDTunewrite54Cw-650x413.png
it's only using one of softwares to test-sites provides more. SX8200 480gb

[unborn epoch]

if you have half a brain

[rose eagle]

ewww PPD 😄

who buys a gaming rig on PPD!?

[unborn epoch]

[rose eagle]

Gsync kicks in under your monitor's refresh rate, so its very important for me on 1440p even with a 2070

[unborn epoch]

gsync is a godsend for the high-end market

[rose eagle]

but if you go over 144fps i didnt realize it acts like v-sync

even more reason to limit fps in BFV to 120

so that those occasional frames dont go over 144

cause thats only like 10% of the time

[unborn epoch]

that's horseshit homie

[prime jasper]

970 evo 500gb
http://www.technews.lt/portal/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/970EVOHDTuneread.png
http://www.technews.lt/portal/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/970EVOHDTunewrite69C.png

[rose eagle]

but if those frames act like vsync that would be terrible

[unborn epoch]

if it'd be true vsync that would mean you'd notice mouse delay

which never happens to me

[rose eagle]

how often are you over 144fps and not limiting the in game fps to 144?

[unborn epoch]

in battlefield all the time

csgo all the time

i run csgo at 300fps

[rose eagle]

you sure you'd feel 20ms input latency?

[unborn epoch]

definitely

i can easily feel it if you disable gsync and turn on vsync

and enable gsync

[prime jasper]

so average writing on 970 evo is 689.0MB/s and reading 2764.8mb/s
sx8200 873.4 write, 2379.5mb/s read

even faster than 970 evo LOL

and cheaper aropund 50%

[unborn epoch]

cheaper in your country

pricing is equal here

yup

[prime jasper]

sme products we get cheaper-some more pricier

but if it goes in around price to perf on tight budget-u can't say sx8200 is bad ssd can ya?

[unborn epoch]

it isn't bad, but if you are on a budget i'd say warranty is worth more

since you probably can't replace parts that easily

[prime jasper]

exactly.

toshiba p300 hdd is better than wd blue

better random writing speeds also reads

[unborn epoch]

hdd

[prime jasper]

also sequentials 4k are better

[unborn epoch]

i have 8 wd reds in my nas

[prime jasper]

they cost +/- 3euros around the same.

[unborn epoch]

no need for hdds in my pc

shit slows me down, gotta keep killing

i buy parts based on aftersale/customer support

i dont want to buy no PeePeePooPoo3D 1080ti with nonexistent customer support

i'll pay a few bucks extra for EVGA or w/e

[lofty light]

EVGA are great for their support

[rose eagle]

fk.. im really sad at the input latency increase when running borderless, i have to now stop doing that

[unborn epoch]

ya borderless is often badly implemented

[lofty light]

Doesn't even void warranty by ripping the cooler off

[rose eagle]

https://www.blurbusters.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/blur-busters-gsync-101-csgo-vsync-full-vs-bor-vs-win.png

[lofty light]

Hmm, me too

[rose eagle]

this is CS:GO so not sure on BFV

so its game dependent?

not just windows?

[lofty light]

I find there's more issues tabbing in and out of full screen games than borderless

[rose eagle]

8ms is a lot

[unborn epoch]

interesting

some gams also eat fps hard in borderless windowed mode

personally I play shooters in full screen all the time

no time to tab out anyway 😄

Sadly like @flat grotto says, tabbing out of fullscreen games often goes horribly wrong

ehh not him

I can't tag you MrDerrik, that's funny.

[lofty light]

You're tagging my clan mates 😛

[unborn epoch]

@lofty light that's the one

[lofty light]

Bonjour

I may have to test fps with full screen and BFV, but I'm more for throwing as much hardware at it as possible for performance

[unborn epoch]

I wonder how well DX12 works compared to DX12 for us non RTX owners

[lofty light]

It's awful for me on a 1080

But my CPU is Haswell

[unborn epoch]

aweful on bfv? or bf1

it is bad in bf1 for me

[lofty light]

Bf1

[unborn epoch]

but bfv should have proper dx12 implementation due to the raytracing gimmick they added

[lofty light]

It's just a wrapper for both right?

[unborn epoch]

i doubt it

[lofty light]

Ah yeah true

[rose eagle]

i dont know your FPS will be better in full screen, your input is increased supposedly a lot in borderless

[unborn epoch]

the problem is you never played fullscreen probably

csgo is an extreme example, csgo isn't a very good engine

im not sure about BF1, i never tried comparing the two modes

[rose eagle]

wow never use nvidia's FPS limiter

i didnt know it existed but dont use it

only use in game engine limiters

knowledge is power

[unborn epoch]

what happens if you use nvidia limiter

[rose eagle]

https://www.blurbusters.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/blur-busters-gsync-101-vsync-off-ingame-vs-nvi.png

adds lots of input lag

vs simply running vsync off

[unborn epoch]

oh shit

too bad engine limits oftne don't work

😄

[rose eagle]

yea even bf's allows high spikes

looks like we're all sol

im convinced this guys tests are accurate

you run CS GO at 300fps?

[unborn epoch]

omething like that

it;s limited at 300 at least in the config

[rose eagle]

have you tried playing with no gsync or vsync before?

[unborn epoch]

ya i used to for years

[slate rivet]

people emailing for memes at work

they are not ready for what i have in the locker

[rose eagle]

@unborn epoch i dunno man, i dont see why this guy's tests would be wrong

for > 144fps input lag + Gsync

[unborn epoch]

oh i lied

my fps is 158

you have to cap your fps a bit below your max refreshrate of monitor

[rose eagle]

that should still introduce full vsync input lag

right

[unborn epoch]

no

[rose eagle]

oh, are you 165hz?

[unborn epoch]

my refreshrate is 165

because im a real man

[rose eagle]

well that fixes things 😉

so yes, if you capped 300 and had GSync on, this report claims you'd see full vsync level input latency

[unborn epoch]

too bad i can't put in a custom fps cap in battlefield

[rose eagle]

44ms vs 23ms

yea that sucks because 144 isnt proper...

[unborn epoch]

i'll have to deal with 144fps

[rose eagle]

i mean it sucks for me as well, i have to use 120

but i dont think im too impacted, i have the perfect video card to achieve 90-120 ish fps

[unborn epoch]

ya definitely

[rose eagle]

i almost feel better having a 2070 over a 1080Ti

[unborn epoch]

so hyped for this game

god damn BRO HYPED

[rose eagle]

your fps range was 72 min, 142 avg

in the test you sent me for BF1

youll have to join a game with me and follow me for 30s to record a fraps test 😉

mandatory

[unborn epoch]

ya that was at 80% power target

[rose eagle]

gonna need exact same settings, the high mesh etc but flora low

for science!

[unborn epoch]

ya i'll do that maybe later

[rose eagle]

and all of Battlefield mankind

no i mean in BF V

[unborn epoch]

oh that i will definitely do

i'll go full performance mode

[rose eagle]

you will have to join a game and get the exact map and looking at same thing

like literally spawn on me, it will be coordinated damnit!

apples apples

[unborn epoch]

wouldn't singleplayer be better then?

or even practice range later on

[rose eagle]

nah sp is a bad test

mp adds a ton of variables, real fps test

[unborn epoch]

but it isn't a true 1on1 tedst

since the other 62 players aren't doin the same thing

[rose eagle]

i mean it would be good for apples apples for sure, but id like to see the effects of mp FPS

to see what i really get

[unborn epoch]

ya

bbl, going out for some GRUB

[rose eagle]

yeh, waitin for wife to get back so i can go get some coneys

mmmmm

[storm garnet]

any idea on minimum reqs for bf5 144fps all low settings?

got a 2600 and 480 8gb right now, i figure ill prolly have to upgrade gpu>

[rose eagle]

2080Ti? Lol

Maybe just a 1080Ti ;)

[storm garnet]

damn is it that bad

ill legit go 720p if i have to

[rose eagle]

My 2070 gets 120 in BF1 and someone else's 1080Ti gets 140 avg or so

[storm garnet]

on all low? fuck

[storm osprey]

for 1080p i dont think the 480 will be too bad, but idk, 144 fps sounds a bit high for that set up

[rose eagle]

Not all low I mean textures all ultra

[storm garnet]

oh then

[rose eagle]

But that doesn't impact fps

[storm garnet]

ill be fine i think

[rose eagle]

That's just visuals

If you have 8a gig of vram then you can set the texture to Max to make the game look pretty

But then you turn off post processing and all the other crap to give you a boost in performance

So technically a 1080ti gets about a hundred and forty FPS on quote-unquote low

Bf1

Oh wait yeah we're 1440 p haha

I keep forgetting people mostly run 1080p

Yuck

[storm osprey]

i assume they are at 1080p, and i think theyll get at least 100 fps, but idk about 144

[rose eagle]

Someone with a 1080ti needs to run a battlefield 1 fraps benchmark for me

[storm garnet]

im1080p yea

[storm osprey]

ideally they would need the same exact computer as well though

[storm garnet]

i can prolly snag a 1070ti or something if need be

[rose eagle]

Yeah I bet you can get 144 frames per second on a 1080 TI at 1080p

For 1080 P yeah the CPU then becomes a factor

[storm osprey]

480 should do fine imo, but yea you can always upgrade

[rose eagle]

Come on people do 1440p so I know what I'm talking about

[storm osprey]

i saw an evga 1070 ti the other day for 370 i believe

[rose eagle]

I would take bf1 as a decent indicator for V

Cause it really doesn't even run as optimized as bfront2

[storm garnet]

in bf1 im getting anywhere from 130fps avg to 180fps avg depending on map and im perfectly happy with it

so if it stays same/similar then very epic

[storm osprey]

at first i would think you would get less fps, but not much

you didnt play beta?

[storm garnet]

i didnt no, was very busy at the time

and regardless i just upgraded my pc about a week ago

[rose eagle]

I'm not sure why but Battlefront 2 runs better than Battlefield 1

I got like 20% worst frames in Battlefield 5 beta than Battlefield 1 but if history repeats itself you'll see like a 10% increase from beta to release

[red ingot]

plus new drivers which will help

[storm garnet]

im itching for an excuse to spend more money that i really dont need to so no big deal if its worse

[storm osprey]

ehh just wait imo

[storm garnet]

i will ofc

[rose eagle]

lol i have the same problem @storm garnet , i bought a 2070 but want to replace my 3770k 😄

[storm garnet]

i upgraded from 3570k recently

its honestly worth it just to go to ddr4 ram

if u do anything that requires quality ram

[red ingot]

i'd replace my 4770k but i wanna wait for 10nm

[rose eagle]

nah, gaming doesnt seem to tax it

[storm garnet]

i play overwatch and for some reason it really wants good ram and a lot of it

[rose eagle]

i play 1440p so my cpu is of less importance

do you set an FPs limit for overwatch?

like 142

[storm garnet]

my fps went from 110 to 240 from 3570k -> 2600 and 8gb ddr3 -> 16gb ddr4

[red ingot]

wow

[storm garnet]

i did on my old platform but not here , ive been considering doing 150 until i get a 240hz monitopr

[red ingot]

100% increase is significant

[rose eagle]

lol somethin had to have been wrong

[red ingot]

yeah

that's not a massive upgrade

[storm garnet]

the game is just shit optimized in comp now

id still get many fps in tdm or widow hs ffa

[rose eagle]

plus your 3570k is only 4c4t

[storm garnet]

but in comp my fps would be super inconsistent and weird

[rose eagle]

huge diff between that and my i7 4c8t

[storm garnet]

its genuinely amazing how much worse ow performance has gotten over the last year and a half

[rose eagle]

i mean when you say worse.. we dont reallllly need more than 144hz, theres diminishing returns on input over that

[red ingot]

true

60-144 is massive

144-240 is pretty incremental

[rose eagle]

its 25% from 144 to 240

[red ingot]

yea

but like 120% from 60-144

[rose eagle]

21ms to 39 yea

[red ingot]

didn't actually do the math just guestimated but yeah

[rose eagle]

i got shit in front of me im researching on today hehe

[storm garnet]

ofc i dont need it but im a megatryhard at videogames and have expendable income so

why not

[rose eagle]

i dont have disposable income and shouldnt 😄

thats the only thing keeping me from poppin my entire rig out for a 9700k

[storm garnet]

ahaha the dream

[red ingot]

i mean i have disposable income, but I should probably save it like a smart person

[storm garnet]

yes u should and so should i

but i never claimed to be smart

[red ingot]

but

pc parts

😦

[rose eagle]

saving? pff, thats what 401k matching is for

[red ingot]

:D

[rose eagle]

looks like the diff between 144 and 240hz with gsync on and fps limiter to match the refresh is 21ms vs 16ms so you'd have to feel that 5ms

definitely nothing on my radar any time in the near future since it's like $600+ for a good 240hz

glad to know im not suffering the FOMO on that one

[storm osprey]

fomo?

no fomo?

[rose eagle]

35% of steam hardware survey is 750Ti, 1050/Ti, and 1060

pretty crazy that high a % of people settle for 60fps in a game like BF V but maybe none of those people play it 😄

fomo!!!

[storm osprey]

60 fps is good

i just like 100+ xD

[rose eagle]

if you replace good with trash

i agree

60fps is 100% unacceptable, but my 60hz monitor doesnt have gsync

i mean, do any?

[storm osprey]

i dont think i can game competitively on 60 fps, i think i would be too distracted

idk any 60hz gsync monitors

i think the range of gsync is 50-140

[rose eagle]

i have two 1440p monitors, one 144hz gsync next to a 60hz and i played on both yesterday and about threw up playing on the 60hz

i didnt know what i was missing til i did the comparison, i for some reason never have

i always was wondering if buying this 2716 was worthwhile not having a 1080Ti +

seems its very much so

[storm osprey]

thats the dell model number right?

[rose eagle]

yar hehe

[storm osprey]

yea, i love it

[red ingot]

yeah i have a 144hz and 60hz side by side

even just doing web browsing and stuff on the 60hz feels slow

:/

[rose eagle]

hehe saying people are hacking in chat really gets people's goats

99fps on 2070 on this map, oof

the odd part about 1080Ti vs 2070 is the 1% low is relatively equal

[odd goblet]

I just realized that I can get a 1050 Ti for my computer

[rose eagle]

"can" ?

[odd goblet]

Yes, I am able to put that into my computer

[rose eagle]

you need a 1060 6gb or better for V

why wouldnt you be able to?

[odd goblet]

I don't plan on getting that for the computer

Compatibility and shit

Was checking if my motherboard and other parts are compatible

Although I still have no idea what I would play on a good computer.

[red ingot]

bfv

[odd goblet]

no

[red ingot]

😦

[odd goblet]

I can't think of an actual single reason to upgrade my computer tbh, but I am considering it

[storm osprey]

to get into the pc master race

[red ingot]

^

[odd goblet]

But I don't see any games worth getting

[red ingot]

bfv?

[odd goblet]

Already have it on console

[red ingot]

could buy it again lol

or literally any other game

imo fps is more fun on pc cause mouse and keyboard is more accurate

plus u get all the cool rts games like starcraft and company of heroes and stuff

and turn based like civ and xcom

[storm osprey]

any game worth getting on console is more worth to get on pc

[odd goblet]

I highly dislike RTS games now

[storm osprey]

just the options on pc make it worth it

[red ingot]

pc graphics frame rate > console graphics & frame rate

once u go 144hz u can't go back

[odd goblet]

Eh, I guess I'll not waste $150 on this... I might just get a new monitor and that's it

[storm osprey]

have you tried pc gaming?

[red ingot]

144hz masterrace

[odd goblet]

Yes, not worth it

[red ingot]

🙄

[storm osprey]

to each their own, but youre wrong

[red ingot]

^

[odd goblet]

Eh, as long as I am playing the game I don't care how the system feels

[red ingot]

idk, the lag and downscaling on console bugs the crap outta me

[odd goblet]

Unless I am at like PowerPoint Presentation frame rate

[storm osprey]

how it feels means the most to me xD

[odd goblet]

I actually don't even like 4k, something about it just... nah.

[storm osprey]

dont go 4k, go 2k 144hz with gsync

no that youll run that with a 1050ti

[odd goblet]

I am talking about graphics wise 4k not really performance wise

[red ingot]

2k 144hz i don't think will run on a 1050ti

[odd goblet]

Fuck I am on like the 40th page of Steam and I still don't see an actual game to get a better pc for

[red ingot]

..

can't tell whether serious or trolling

[odd goblet]

I am serious, I don't see a 'high-end' game worth really getting

[storm osprey]

its not about high end games

[odd goblet]

So far, found one MGSV

[storm osprey]

its the options to play games how you want

[odd goblet]

I didn't even know MGSV was on Steam...

[storm osprey]

i just got mgsv on humble monthly

well with that said

for 12 bucks youll get mgsv, cities skyline, and like 5 other games in a month

[odd goblet]

Oh wait, I remembered the time I got with MGSV...

Day of Infamy is so far the one game that looks worth upgrading

[red ingot]

Insurgency is solid too

Sandstorm is out in Dec

[odd goblet]

I can run Insurgency one... refunded it

[red ingot]

or pre-order and play beta now

insurgency is sooo much fun tho

[storm osprey]

bfv, destiny 2, witcher

basically any game that gets 30 fps on console a 1050ti will get roughly 60

[odd goblet]

I can play those all on Xbox One and they'll feel good... well not Destiny 2, I don't really like RPG shooters as much as I did with Borderlands 2

[storm osprey]

bl2 was 30 fps as well

[odd goblet]

Battlefield or Battlefront?

[storm osprey]

both

[odd goblet]

I have BF2 and BF2 classic

[storm osprey]

not to mention, i can still play old games on pc without rebuying or pulling out a system to play them

i still play psychonauts on pc, that game came out on ps2

but they updated it and now i can play it with better resolution

[odd goblet]

Yeah uhh, you don't need good PCs at all to play... old games

I can emulate Twisted Metal Black just fine

[storm osprey]

not saying that

just a perk of pc over console

[odd goblet]

I am talking about reasons to upgrading

btw, I am surprised Seid Meyer's Pirates! got very positive reviews on steam.

[storm osprey]

you upgrade to only use a console for exclusives

but saying youre on xbox one that doesnt mean much

[red ingot]

yeah lots of xbone games come to pc

[odd goblet]

Yeah to me, it doesn't really mean much...

[red ingot]

forza series is on pc, gears of war on pc

[storm osprey]

welp, cant help ya panzer

might need to speak to a shrink

[odd goblet]

Gears of War is on PC?

[red ingot]

yep

MS store/Windows Store

lots of xbone exclusives are now xbone/pc

[storm osprey]

iirc basically only halo and sunset overdrive are not on pc

[odd goblet]

There is Halo Online, I think my computer can run that just fine

[storm osprey]

halo online and i think some other halo was on pc, but im talking about recent stuff

[odd goblet]

Honestly who the fuck would play Halo 5 on PC?

Or Halo 5 in general?

[red ingot]

..

[odd goblet]

What sucks is that I really wanna spend my money on something that I am gonna actually use.

[red ingot]

welp idk how to help u there

[odd goblet]

120 pages...

only 90 more pages of the games on steam to see if I should actually upgrade my system

[storm osprey]

i mean, halo is basically destiny, and destiny has healthy player count on pc

[odd goblet]

I am trying to find like a GTX 700 something and I can't really find one on pcpartpicker

Well, I can but the prices aren't listed at all

[rose eagle]

i mean technically the only reason i keep a computer upgraded is to play battlefield so 😄

which means BF costs me like $150+/yr

[odd goblet]

I keep seeing 750s more expensive than 1050 Tis.

[rose eagle]

some people spend that per month on cigarettes

shrugs

i spend $100/mo on alcohol but $1200 for a PC i use daily for hours is crazy?

where's the math 😄

[storm osprey]

because they are rare

[odd goblet]

Fuck 750s are rare

Okay, I guess I will use 660?

Oh well, I guess I'll run GTA V with a 710

[storm osprey]

?

[odd goblet]

GT 710

Doesn't run well, oh well, there's always steam refund

[storm osprey]

you have a gt 710?

[odd goblet]

Yes

[storm osprey]

get a 1050ti my lord

[odd goblet]

no

Like I said, I can run every game I have well

Like L4D2, CSGO (rarely), a bunch of mods on Garry's Mod, Doom 2, Far Cry 2, Modern Warfare 3

[storm osprey]

those are old games...

[odd goblet]

Yes

[storm osprey]

play new games

get 1050ti

[odd goblet]

Ew

The newest game I will have in my library will probably end up being GTA V

And you don't really need a good graphics card for that it seems

a 9800 GT can run it

[storm osprey]

at what? low settings 30 fps?

[odd goblet]

That's actually good

[storm osprey]

console good

[odd goblet]

For what a 9800 GT is, that's good, thanks for saying that my computer should run GTA V just fine

And there's no real reason for me to get a 1050 Ti

[storm osprey]

console fine

bleh

[odd goblet]

Console fine is perfect

[storm osprey]

not perfect

[odd goblet]

It already runs well on the Xbox One

[storm osprey]

but it at least good enough

[odd goblet]

And 360 for that matter

Fuck this is a huge game 👀

[rose eagle]

$200 for an xbone is a perfectly good reason to become a skill capped to a controller console gamer if you're broke ;D

everyone wins, no one can be good!

[storm osprey]

console has roughly 3 things going for it, budget friendly, even playing field (even though thats changed this gen), and... i forgot the 3rd one

[odd goblet]

I am still allocating disk space

[rose eagle]

why is it changed this gen?

mouse support still isnt officially supported is it?

XIM is against ToS

for most games

[odd goblet]

I don't think it is, so far only Fortnite actually outright uses the tools against XIM

[rose eagle]

honestly that sucks for consoles lately is the player's complaining against XIM users where the hardware is undetectable

no way in hell id controller vs mouse

[odd goblet]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

TheBrokenMachine is good with Controller

[storm osprey]

because you can buy a better console

xbox one x and ps4 pro

[odd goblet]

I've got a Cronus for Doom and Far Cry 5

and GTA V singleplayer even though it doesn't make much of a difference in online because the aim assist is so strong

Like, so fucking strong...

[storm osprey]

if its anything like rdr, its not aim assist, its aim lock

you ADS even remotely close to a target, it just snaps

[odd goblet]

Yeah

It is like that

[rose eagle]

yea i dunno i guess aim assist might be as competitive

i assume you have to turn it off for mouse or itll just go insane?

[odd goblet]

If you keep it on with mouse in singleplayer it's like the game is just playing for you

There are numerous times where the aim will snap on to the person in cover when there's a man sprinting after you with a shotgun

But that's what players do a lot of the time, I use controller on Console because the UI would be hard to actually configure on a keyboard

And no one plays free aim on console

The most populated server would end up being like 6 players which is great if you're gonna grind for money in the online mode without any real repercussions

But they don't separate free aim and free aim assisted

So you'd get people using free aim assisted having a bigger advantage over people who use just free aim

Free Aim Assisted I forget what that is entirely, I think it snaps but it doesn't lock... I forget

Page 170 on steam, woot

[prime jasper]

https://www.vg247.com/2018/11/02/destiny-2-handed-pc-users-free-today-november-18/?fbclid=IwAR2pX4t0UMR3NjVQaTHabGWvvKtgwmaOgLctF5PjHnxeujF3DJi5b2c1fgY idk where put this..

but i think i can leave just here.

[unborn epoch]

interesting

never tried that game

what is this scam

how do i activate it

[fiery oracle]

No way this is legit

[rose eagle]

https://kotaku.com/you-can-now-get-destiny-2-free-on-pc-1830184743

kotaku cant be wrong!

i already own it so

already a damn year? =/

[storm osprey]

destiny 2 was already in humble monthly, and it was free for ps+

[fiery oracle]

Shit ill gladly take a free game

[storm osprey]

you also get the base game and the first 2 dlc for free if you only buy the latest dlc

i suggest playing base destiny with at least 1 other person, its fun

forsaken is really good, im roughly 70 hours in atm and im addicted

[fiery oracle]

Yea, I used to fuck with the division heavily and thats what i did

[storm osprey]

i tried the division and didnt stick with it

played for maybe 10 hours

destiny 2 has me hooked though

i postponed buying bfv in part of destiny 2

[rose eagle]

ugh, dude in gaming group is not gonna buy V cause he had BF1 timed out connection issues a year ago, reinstalled recently to get psyched again but still gets timed out in BF1

so clearly its not something they will ever resolve on their end

[storm osprey]

HAHA WTF

sorry caps

[rose eagle]

i mean i dont blame him =/

why would he expect V to not have same issues

no idea what he can do, suggested just forwarding all known ports for Battlefield

[fiery oracle]

Just tell him to wait till the game is like $30

took bf1 under 6 months to reach that point

[storm osprey]

i mean, at this point i suggest its his end

[rose eagle]

that wont help, disconnects would drive me batty

he's bought a new PC since, so its not windows related or nic

[storm osprey]

maybe updare firmware on his router

[rose eagle]

gotta be router or something

he should bypass right into PC and test

[storm osprey]

rocket league fucks up on me

if i do a firmware update it always fixes it

[prime jasper]

is it your friends internet or his pc

[rose eagle]

he doesnt have a clue

just knows he gets booted

[prime jasper]

i watched a video which helped me a lot

i try to find it but what it told me to do was

disable all apps running in background through windows settings and change the wifi mode to a metered connection

[rose eagle]

wifi!

aint nobody use no wifi!

[prime jasper]

yeah i use wifi lol

[storm osprey]

ew

get out of here

[rose eagle]

spits

lol

[prime jasper]

my router is in the other room and there is a bathroom between if that makes sense

[storm osprey]

buy 100ft cable

[rose eagle]

use ethernet over power

anything is better than wifi gaming

[prime jasper]

id have to run the ethernet cable through the bathroom or across the entrance of it lol

[storm osprey]

route wire around door frame

[prime jasper]

aesthetics dude

[rose eagle]

get yo ass up in that attic

[storm osprey]

aesthetics my ass

i need a stable connection

[prime jasper]

lol

[rose eagle]

yea kinda like i needed surround sound

speaker wires are in baseboards

[prime jasper]

i could get another router plug installed in my room

or just adapter? dunno never heard of one

[unborn epoch]

what is a router plug

[storm osprey]

only used wire

wired master race

[prime jasper]

its like

rectangular slit

[storm osprey]

not wired

[rose eagle]

LOL

falls out of chair

[prime jasper]

which you put in the phone cable

thing

[rose eagle]

facepalms backwards through time

[unborn epoch]

you want to turn 1 connector into 2?

[storm osprey]

wired

[rose eagle]

dont

walk away slowly

[unborn epoch]

D:

[rose eagle]

lol

[storm osprey]

drill through walls, whatever, get wired

[rose eagle]

ethernet jack? O_o

[prime jasper]

ive also never experienced a monitor higher than 60 hertz or surround sound, just stereo

[storm osprey]

itll cost you some time and 20 bucks for a wire to get the best connection

go wired

[rose eagle]

time to off self

[storm osprey]

my god h2pho

actually

youre h1pho now

[rose eagle]

life is not worth living without wired internet, surround sound, and 144hz

[storm osprey]

you lost points

[prime jasper]

loool

[unborn epoch]

h3ph0 is now h0ph-3

[rose eagle]

h1ph-2

x_x

you harsh, -3

[storm osprey]

h0ph-3

[prime jasper]

does the ethernet actually give you more stable ping in game i thought it was just for dwonloading stuff

[rose eagle]

always more stable yo

[storm osprey]

it makes everything better

[unborn epoch]

wireless is doodoo for pretty much anything

[rose eagle]

your internet is in the AIR

susceptible to all kinds of interference

[storm osprey]

connection, ping, stability, dl rate

[prime jasper]

i get like 700kb per second

[unborn epoch]

your thick skull blocks all those signals

get wired

[storm osprey]

i pay for 100mbps, with wired i get 130

wireless i get 90

[rose eagle]

even a damn phone call coming in could piss it off

[storm osprey]

microwaves

[rose eagle]

mhmm mhmm

[storm osprey]

get wired

[rose eagle]

satellite TV

[storm osprey]

the cat

[prime jasper]

lol i think thats why when someone in my house is on the phone i cant play

[rose eagle]

fkin cats

"cant?"

like it disconnects you?

he got old school dsl, that'd be a riot

[prime jasper]

no just 100 ping or more

[storm osprey]

go wired for gods sakes

[prime jasper]

yes sir i will try

[rose eagle]

no we need more of a commitment than that

[prime jasper]

yes sir

[rose eagle]

BF Tech chan, fixing gamers 1 person at a time

60hz should be banned

1000dpi mice

[storm osprey]

i dont have anything surround either, but i have damn good heapones

[prime jasper]

how expensive is a monitor that is 144hz though

[rose eagle]

what else might people not even realize

$250?

[storm osprey]

200

acer 24" 144hz 1080p

[rose eagle]

i dont have surround for my PC but my home theater is a fkin beast

[storm osprey]

acer gn246hl i think

[rose eagle]

got like $5 grand in my HT setup

[storm osprey]

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824009642

[rose eagle]

theres nothing like replicating the movie theater experience in your house 😄

[prime jasper]

do you watch movies in it

[rose eagle]

at 80db

[storm osprey]

sad i know the fucking model number by heart

[prime jasper]

lol

is it really popular/good

[storm osprey]

its the go to bang for buck 144hz monitor

[rose eagle]

the 24" Dell seems to be highly popular to our 27", just not as good a bargain

[storm osprey]

i had it before my current monitor

[rose eagle]

i wonder how well 144hz works without GSync

[storm osprey]

i know roughly 5 people with that mointor

[rose eagle]

Freesync adds input delays

err

Fastsync

[prime jasper]

is it worth getting a 27 inch one

[rose eagle]

always? 😄

[storm osprey]

27" is for 1440p imo

[rose eagle]

oh right that

yea you need a good gpu

[storm osprey]

ppi for 1080p at 27" is pretty high

[rose eagle]

damnit man! not everyone has the same budget

i know panda

so yea 24" for 1080p

[prime jasper]

i havent seen 4k but is there really a difference

[rose eagle]

27" 1440p requires a stout PC

[storm osprey]

4k overkill imo

[rose eagle]

fk 4k til 2030

[storm osprey]

1440p 27" imo is the sweet spot

[rose eagle]

if ever, tbh

what video card you got?

[prime jasper]

me?

[rose eagle]

y

[prime jasper]

gtx 1050

[rose eagle]

1080p

[prime jasper]

ya

[rose eagle]

1440p would reduce you to like 30fps

[storm osprey]

i dont even think a 1050 will push over 100fps at 1080p

unless youre playing overwatch or csgo

[rose eagle]

over 60 on V will be unlikely..

need a 1060 6gb

[prime jasper]

i will get over 60 on bfv

[rose eagle]

gsync prob isnt even helpful til 50+ fps?

[prime jasper]

no matter what it takes

[storm osprey]

gsync not in question here

[prime jasper]

i dont even know what gsync is

[rose eagle]

i mean, it is cause its godlike below the monitor refresh rate

[storm osprey]

magical tech

[rose eagle]

but i think it isnt useful super low

[storm osprey]

gets rid of stuttering and screen tearing, while barely adding input lag

[prime jasper]

what is the adapter called again that makes a normal 3 holed plug go to a rectangular slit

[storm osprey]

so vsync that works

[rose eagle]

3 hole plug, rectangle.. what 😄

[prime jasper]

uk plug

and

its like an ethernet plug

rectangle you know

[rose eagle]

to send ethernet over power?

[prime jasper]

uh

in the uk we connect the router to the wall with a cable that looks like an ehternet one

its like a slit in the wall that closes by itself

[storm osprey]

the phone jack connection?

[prime jasper]

yes

[storm osprey]

wait.. what?

we dont have anything in usa that closes by itself

[rose eagle]

id need a pic

[prime jasper]

and to power the router itself you just use a normal plug

it wont work without the phone jack connection in though

[storm osprey]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTWZs5ntiO8

[rose eagle]

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51-RMedXRDL._SL1500_.jpg

we dont have those power outlets looking like that

ours look similar but 1 is called the ground

[prime jasper]

yo my broadband has a new router should i get that

[rose eagle]

wont fix anything

[prime jasper]

the picture i sent yall is the phone jack connection

you see the lip closes by itself

[storm osprey]

yep, never seen that in my life

[prime jasper]

you have to push it up to put something in it

[storm osprey]

thats what she said

[prime jasper]

its called the master socket

wtf is wrong with me i type things and it makes sense in my head but it comes out garbled

just normal typos i guess

my brain auto corrects it

what is ADSL

or VDSL

google

[rose eagle]

btw, still no BSODs since uninstalling iCUE

thank god that was it and i didnt blame the 2070

this needs to be a fking PSA somewhere

[prime jasper]

this is what i was looking for

https://www.telecomgreen.co.uk/engineering/move-bt-master-socket-without-actually-moving-advice-telephone-engineer/

still doesnt explain how to move the master socket to another room actually, i think its nearly impossible without calling someone to do it for ya

does TP link work yall? its like ethernet but it uses your existing cables in the wall right

[storm osprey]

i use tp link stuff

[prime jasper]

its not ethernet (or is it)

you just plug it in two separate points in the house and they connect and the waves go through the cables that are already in your walls or something

just wondering if it works/should i get it

[storm osprey]

lol dude i have no idea

but no i say get wire directly from router to your pc

[rose eagle]

yea im out since this is now majorly uncharted territory lol

i did my good deed for the day posting my BSOD findings on Nvidia and Corsair forums

the reward will be any replies with OMG THANK YOU to either

taps foot waiting for human acceptance

[prime jasper]

good job your BSOD will go to new lengths in learning more about our world

[prime jasper]

@unborn epoch mmo fps games

it's completely legal on battlenet

[unborn epoch]

what

i forgot what i said

[prime jasper]

you considered it illegal

but it's legal for real.

[storm osprey]

what headphones are those synth?

[prime jasper]

Sennheiser HD598SR

https://www.amazon.com/Sennheiser-HD-598-SR-Open-Back/dp/B06WRMZZ45

m20'es i think

the ones i current;ly use are 598SR's.

[storm osprey]

what do you think about them?

[prime jasper]

yeh it was m20x

really good sound stage on sr's

not as powerful as hd58x masssdrops but great for gaming

[storm osprey]

you try the 58x for gaming?

[prime jasper]

wide sound which can very accurate for bf series games using hifi/wartapes sound setting

no. i've met on fb their owners

they got hd600's and hd58x's

[languid acorn]

I use the Hyper x Stingers. I love em, but I want to upgrade soon because the jack is messed up

it's all jacked up

[storm osprey]

wait for black friday and look for the sennheiser hd 598

i hear they go for around 100

[prime jasper]

if ur in us or around uk/america get hd58x'es from massdrop

or ath-ad700x

[storm osprey]

i have the 700x

6xx, and 58x

[prime jasper]

hd58x is basically hd 600/650's

but cheaper price as they come as massdrop exclusive.

m20x'es could be better, the actual problem is their pads-hurts head sides alot

[languid acorn]

i need the ones that go over the ear. Like ear cups almost. Everything else kills my ears

[storm osprey]

58x more like lil brother of 660, and 6xx is the 650, but they are all pretty much the same but with different signatures / strength / weaknesses

[prime jasper]

some headphones from samson rivals the m20x'es so hard that m20x looks as not worth the price

[storm osprey]

@languid acorn yea 598 are over ear

[prime jasper]

sennheiser hd 58x/650/660s and 600's are extreme;y comfy

doesnt feel like youre wearing them at all

[storm osprey]

after you wear them for a week or 2, because that clamp at first is real

[prime jasper]

the clamp is feelable

but it doesnt hurt nor tires. can be worn kinda forever

just like beyerdynamic dt 990pro's.

[storm osprey]

i felt like it was a little too clampy, felt like i got headaches from it

[prime jasper]

could be, but they're decent

great all rounder headphones for music, gaming, streaming and music production.

[storm osprey]

i feel the 990s are more all arounder than the others

[rose eagle]

ok all a sudden BF1 is missing like 5 rows in center

and they're moved to the right

[storm osprey]

?

[rose eagle]

5 rows of pixels are moved to the right of my screen

i dunno how to explain lol

[storm osprey]

tf?

[rose eagle]

the middle is cut pasted

indeed..

rebooting

its in fkin windows also

whew

that was fkd

annoyance, every time i boot into windows i have to click nvidia settings to trigger my color changes

[storm osprey]

hmm

isnt there a way to make it launch on boot?

[rose eagle]

i mean its supposed to just happen

"This is a known bug caused by the windows 10 fall creators update. No fix yet. Nvidia is working on it."

cool i bet its a new 1803 issue

again... windows 10 update strikes at worst time right when i reformat

and causes me another unknown problem

really reformatted at the worst timing

[prime raptor]

You can just turn your monitor off and back on again @rose eagle

At least that does it for me

For me it's a gsync issue

or my monitor firmware

I forgot which exactly

pretty sure its my monitor tbh

[rustic hinge]

I’ve had problems with it before I even had a Gsync monitor

[prime raptor]

I didn't before I got my new monitor

so your milage may vary it seems

But I literally just turn my monitor off then back on. Which takes like a second.

Which makes it seem like a firmware issue on my monitor it seems.

and I have a 1080ti, while panda man has a 2070 iirc

Different arch, different issues

[rose eagle]

I've had it a year, first time I've seen it

[prime raptor]

well

you dun fudged up

[minor tide]

Anyone here build computers or PC savvy? Just have one question. For Battlefield V, i'm not sure if it is cpu or gpu dependant. Wondering what I should upgrade for this build to have a decent leap to 144frames? Feel free to message me. https://www.userbenchmark.com/UserRun/11876664

[lofty light]

Hmm, you overclocked the CPU?

Plus are you running graphics at low?

My CPU is one model up from yours but I'm GPU bound ATM

[red ingot]

From experience battlefield is usually both gpu and cpu heavy

But gpu > cpu still ofc

[lofty light]

It's very CPU heavy but that CPU is good

[red ingot]

Yeah it is

I have a 4770k and I've been running fine (pretty much on par)

Imo if you want to upgrade I'd upgrade the gpu, but I think u should be fine for 144fps if u run low

[fiery oracle]

Heavy on the cpu

[gentle dawn]

yeet

does the minimum system requirements account for actual fights with aton of shit going on for bf4

[somber tendon]

im still using 4790k + MSI 980 TI to play BF1 @1440p ultra

will do the same for Battlefield V with a few settings tone down (e.g. Post Processing Ultra to Medium ) because at 1440p u cant really the difference

mayb im wrong

i may consider going for i7 8700k + MSI 1080TI or the RTX 2080 in the future

[prime jasper]

get 1920x TR4, isnt very pricy, about 400eur/usd. about 30% less single core perf comparing to the 8700k, depending on what you're doing-gaming/streaming/rendering.

[somber tendon]

just gaming only

[rose eagle]

There's zero reason to upgrade a 4790k for 1440p

As far as the 980 for V and 1440 I have to assume that's not targeting 144hz gsync ;p

[summer gyro]

hello I have a problem with my origin launcher whenever I inv people my origin crashes

[ocean valve]

Try to contact origin. They usually have live chat support and should be able to assist you

[gentle dawn]

gotta love ea

[opal wharf]

Please is there anybody knows a lot about hardware? I need to ask something

[prime jasper]

alot of people know about hardware in here

just ask away

[red ingot]

^

What's your question @opal wharf

[green nebula]

http://gpuboss.com/gpus/GeForce-GTX-970-vs-GeForce-GTX-1070

[red ingot]

@neon mauve what did u upgrade from tho

Like add another 8gb to 8gb to make 16? That's a significant upgrade

[neon mauve]

Yeah

[red ingot]

yeah that's probably why

[neon mauve]

Back before PS4/xb1 gen 8gb was good enough

[red ingot]

But afaik ram speed doesn't usually have a major impact on fps

Meh

[neon mauve]

For some reason fallout 4 dis

[red ingot]

enough but not great

[green nebula]

some games do, some don't

[red ingot]

Some do some dont what?

[green nebula]

But like 16gb will improve the experience with mods games if they were running on 8gb prior

[neon mauve]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/wccftech.com/fallout-4-performance-heavily-influenced-by-ram-speed-according-to-report/amp/
Because Bethesda

1600MHz: 36.0/54.6
2133MHz: 39.0/61.0
2400MHz: 44.0/66.9
That’s a 22 per cent increase in performance

So I went into the BIOS and over clocked it

[red ingot]

Huh

Interesting

Well rip me for being stuck on ddr3

[green nebula]

ouch

[red ingot]

Dont wanna go through a whole cpu/mobo/ram upgrade rn

[green nebula]

Well it still does its job

[red ingot]

Yeah

Will hopefully get an upgrade next year

And hopefully 10nm is out

Then I can have a solid upgrade for a while

[green nebula]

I'm seriously contemplating getting Ryzen 7 2700x

Because you know, Gaming and 3d Modeling

[red ingot]

I'm just a shitty nvidia/Intel fanboy :(

[green nebula]

Me too, but seriously, the Ryzen 2700x is great

[red ingot]

Idk I had an 8350 at one point and it was good

But meh

Idk I guess I'll have to decide next year

[storm osprey]

ryzen 7nm

[red ingot]

This year is monitor upgrade, next year is everything else

Damn

Well hopefully Intel skips 10nm then lol

If they wanna stay competitive

Othereise ryzen for me

[storm osprey]

afaik intel is having problems even getting 10nm working

[red ingot]

Havent really stayed on top of cpus lately

Damn

Well that's a big plus for AMD

I'm glad actually it's about time they caught a break

[storm osprey]

its suggested 10nm will come out end of next year

[red ingot]

Yeah

But ryzen should still theoretically outperform it then if it's on 7nm np?

No?*

[green nebula]

Maybe, maybe not.

But still Ryzen is pretty decent for its price

[red ingot]

Yeah

Probably outperforms top intel CPU right now then right?

Like the 9900k I think it is

[green nebula]

Hang on

Somebody made a Ryzen 7 2700x vs i9 9900K video

can't find it

[storm osprey]

7nm is supposed to put it on the same level for ipc as intel

[red ingot]

Ipc?

[storm osprey]

individual performance count?

[green nebula]

Well iirc, basically the Ryzen 2700x is slightly under the i9 9900k, but for twice as much in price.

[storm osprey]

i dont remember what its called

is it icp?

individiual core performance

that sounds right

[green nebula]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RDL7h7Vczo

HUZZAH

(There's really a lot of techno mumbo jumbo in that video though)

and its 30 min long

[red ingot]

Ah thank u sir

I'll probably watch it later

I've got too much free time these days anyways...

[green nebula]

I know that feels mate, you know until BFV comes out

[red ingot]

Ughhh

Dont remind me

12 days

I got digital deluxe just for the 5 day early access

Or well I bought it way back when it was Oct release and 3 day early access

If I had known that premier members were getting even earlier access I would've gotten that but whatever

[rose eagle]

that DDR3 test isnt sufficient info, its running on an i5 4690k which is horrible

any i5 that isnt 6c6t is bad for gaming

i7 4c8t cpu's dont suffer framerate issues like the older i5s

[opal wharf]

@red ingot can i dm you?

[red ingot]

Yah

[gentle dawn]

yeet

can an athlon run bf4?

[unborn epoch]

at 60 gigabutts

[stable vector]

@hasty axle sent me this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axeBN7gj7gU
Anyone got an idea?

[unborn epoch]

Just format

[rose eagle]

^

[dull zephyr]

looks like the pause menu stuck in transition or something

deffs a bad game file

[prime jasper]

a re-install should fix

or does origin have that thing

where you it searches through all your files in the games folder

and will download any missing files

/ fix any bad ones

[crude storm]

The blue red grenn flickering happens sometimes with amd cards, do you use an amd card?

[prime jasper]

1080ti is now hitting low stocks

Enjoy buying self destructing RTX cards now

[wet notch]

self destructing RTX cards?

[steep gust]

@storm osprey IPC = instructions per clock

Also don't listen to leaks

Intel has a lead over Rzyen with IPC

@prime jasper RTX cards aren't not dying at any rate faster than normal

[prime jasper]

Yah they are?

[steep gust]

Source?

Because the AIBs and Nvidia have said they aren't dying any more than normal

[prime jasper]

“Nvidia have said”

Nvidia also said they don’t force devs to use their software but a few billion in lawsuits says otherwise

[steep gust]

Also wow its so hard to RMA

Nvidia cant force people to use their software

Get a proper source or find a better argument

[prime jasper]

https://youtu.be/z75wDmwfIJY

Enjoy

You right, nvidia can’t force people but monetary incentives can which is why they’ve been whacked with anti-trust & anti-monopoly lawsuits

[steep gust]

Also fun fact

It seems to be an issue with the GDDR6 modules running too hot and dying

Not the actual GPU

And are pretty much limited to founders editions which you shouldn't buy anyways

[prime jasper]

The current stocks? @plain vessel

[steep gust]

1080TI is pretty sold out of stock

Production for the 1080TI has ended

While the lower end might have had production for longer due to release dates and demand is higher on budget cards

@red ingot The 9900k is better than the 2700x.

Outside of price to performance.

Also node shrinks don't not mean more performance increases. Its more of an efficiency thing

Leaks are not to be listened to for CPUs or any PC component. You cant run a 9900k at 5.3ghz daily with an air cooler yet the leaks sure made it seem like it was possible

[prime jasper]

9900k runs so damn hot

[red ingot]

thank you @steep gust

and yah i know node shrinks don't necessarily mean performance increase, although I was under the impression that efficiency and performance are usually correlated

unless i'm mistaken

so as in i guess in a sense usually node shrink = more performance

correlation rather than causation

[prime jasper]

whats the best i can buy to build a pc with 600-800$ budget?

[red ingot]

just pc? (no monitor, os, peripherals, etc.)

[prime jasper]

include that

[red ingot]

region?

assuming either US or CAD?

[prime jasper]

US

[red ingot]

ok

[prime jasper]

does anyone know how to get rid of this "lost connection to session" error

[gentle dawn]

whats the cheapest intel 4 core cpu

[prime jasper]

restart your device

i've tried that, i've tried running origin and bf1 as administrator, i've tried deleting cache in the bf1 folder in documents and programdata

flushed dns reinstalled drivers restarted services

i had this issue 2 days ago but it seemed to go away after running as admin and deleting avast,
came back the next day and nothing's worked so far

[coral yarrow]

Maybe because your antivirus was blocking the network connection to EA servers.

[raw turtle]

@gentle dawn 4 core? Wtf u r so 2017

[gentle dawn]

what

[untold geode]

nerds

wann aplay bf4

plz

only active channel

[junior plover]

:information_source: If you are looking for an LFG to play any of the Battlefield titles head over to
PC: #lfg-pc
Xbox: #lfg-xbox
PS4: #lfg-playstation

[prime jasper]

@prime jasper Never use Avast

Way too many false positives

Find yourself a better one

You'll always have more issues with it, than problems it solves

Also yeah, rip, 1080ti stocks are getting low, prices are 100% going up on them now

Now we'll be stuck with shitty RTX cards until next gen, if you want to upgrade, or an over priced 10XX card

Just use Defender. Improved a lot since 1709