technology

[quartz whale]

Why would I base a GPU off a core clock

🤦

[rose eagle]

you're tryin to say 2080 non ti wont beat 1080ti?

[quartz whale]

can’t tell

gotta wait for benchmarks

[rose eagle]

i mean just wondering if thats what the comment was ;P

[prime jasper]

@rose eagle https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/products/geforce-store/

get a 10xx series

[lofty light]

You don't see them being good phenanthrene?

[prime jasper]

basic look

I see them as being good, but they are way more exensive

[lofty light]

That's fair

[quartz whale]

Buying a card without seeing benchmarks LMAO

[prime jasper]

dont need to see benchmarks dude

[lofty light]

Tbh I just want the most powerful card to run 4K 120hz

[prime jasper]

benchmarks are all synthetic and only mean anything to people not in the industry

its just a baseline

honestly these might beable to do that simply due to the memory bandwidth

[quartz whale]

Ur right gaming benchmarks don’t matter

[prime jasper]

gddr6 is way faster with lower latency than gddr5

or in the 1080ti case, gddr5x

[quartz whale]

Yes

[prime jasper]

616gb/s for ddr6 and 11gb/s for ddr5x

well 616gb in theory

I think it'll be highly limited by the normal pci-e bus we have

hell, even the volta was slightly bottlenecked

these cards I think will bottleneck prettyhard

[quartz whale]

In PCIE ?

I thought there was no difference between 2.0 and 3.0

Too even make a difference

[prime jasper]

by the pci-e 3.0

4.0 there is, but 4.0 is no where in sight

or am I thinking about 5.0

doesnt matter 5.0 cant handle 616

anyways

[quartz whale]

4.0 should be coming soon I heard by rumors

[prime jasper]

it was supposed to be out last year

[quartz whale]

Was it? Didn’t know about that

[prime jasper]

16 gt/s for 4.0, so 128gb/s?

256gb/s for 5.0

yeah those cards are going to be bottlenecked hard

[quartz whale]

2.0 was 8 3.0 was 16 4.0 32?

[prime jasper]

no

4.0 is 16 and 5.0 is 32

3.0/3.1 is 8gt/s so 64 gb/s

hell even the 1080ti gets bottlenecked by it

[quartz whale]

I’m talking PCIE

[prime jasper]

so am I

I'm talking about the gigtransfer rates

then calculating thr gigabytes per second rates they have

[quartz whale]

Ohhh ok

Had me confused

[prime jasper]

I tend to do that

I was technically typing down a conversation I was having with myself that was relevant to the bottlenecking

so yeah

these cards literally don't have much of a benefit in theory

I still need to test them out though

see how far I can get one with ln2

[quartz whale]

Apprently they was built for overclocking he said

Also I’m gonna add you if u don’t care

Pascal was shit for overclocking tbh

[prime jasper]

not really, pascal was amazing of oc over the past gens

[quartz whale]

Pascal scaled shit with voltage

https://youtu.be/bflLDenKirQ

[prime jasper]

oh god that video

[quartz whale]

Ahaha yeah

You don’t like buildzoid?

[prime jasper]

No i love the dude

but that video is one of his idiot moments due to lack of sleep

[quartz whale]

Lmaoo

[prime jasper]

no audio

[quartz whale]

Wdym

[prime jasper]

and then he misses a bunch of things

I've met the due in person

and yes, he does seem like he's always cracked out on meth and looks like he's going to pass out at any second

his hair just gets more and more yugioh like every year also

waiting for him to dye it crazy colors

[quartz whale]

Lolll

You actually met this dude?

[prime jasper]

yes, I do competitive overclocking

its been years though

[lofty light]

Are you secretly derbour?

[prime jasper]

no

I wish

I wonder how the benchmarks are gonna be between the 1080ti and the RTX 2080

more impressive in 4k applications

about the same in others from what I've been seeing with the specs

it's basically an early adoption tech for ray tracing so it's not worth much

[boreal coral]

@steep gust yeah the thing ius those were flagships test phase gpus the big deals coming out will complete as they stated they will. they never said vega was gonna compete against the intel gpus just that they were high end didnt mean better.

[prime jasper]

intel gpus...

[sour ivy]

Intel GPUs are really good

[violet nova]

I wonder how intel gpus will be in 2020

cause they are making official ones

[lofty light]

Probably a bigger disappointment than VEGA

[prime jasper]

@lofty light now to be fair, vega was very good the problem was it got fucked hard by memory prices just before release, and since it uses hbm2 it got fucked even harder, then you add that shitty cooler and the fact it was raped by cryptonight since it was the best for mining

the issues all stem from bad luck

@violet nova they've tried for years and failed

But these wont be for gaming, just data centers

[violet nova]

How do you know?

[lofty light]

@prime jasper I won't lie I agree, Vega was good but for the price with all that crap it's nowhere near worth it

[prime jasper]

@violet nova because that's what they've told everyone. They're trying tackle the titan V area of machine learning and that type of thing

[prime jasper]

i hope good luck for Intel

[prime jasper]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GuKm8z2CGVs

[boreal coral]

intel is losing slowly but surely or at the very least is being slowed down

amd is pushing the right direction and even at a huge loss of money they continue to fix and work on new hardware in order to compete in the future

eventually they will be equal if not better to the point of forcing intel to lower prices

[prime jasper]

AMD will probably never be an equal

they are more likely to take market share from nvidia than intel

[boreal coral]

i dont choose the present i see whats to come and yes its inevitable for them to becoem equal with the agenda they have

[prime jasper]

even back when the phenom 2 x6 was a top of the line amazing processor, they werent on top

[boreal coral]

that isnt the meaning of on top

[prime jasper]

yes it is

They never had even close to equal market share

I think their peak was 40%

[boreal coral]

you can have 1 cpu and it be the best but your at the bottom you can have 15 $1000 gpu's and be at the top even though no one wnats them

its irelevant

[prime jasper]

I have no clue what you just said

[boreal coral]

being the top has no consitency to be a valid form of argument, just take it slow and read

[prime jasper]

I did

your english is bad

[boreal coral]

you forgot periods your english is bad i cant read a thing your typing

would you like a video of my 6 year old brother reading it exactly right

[prime jasper]

Well I see trying to explain market shares and how the future predictions of them based off the road maps both companies have is fruitless then

[boreal coral]

not sure man those periods

[prime jasper]

"you can have 1 cpu and it be the best but your at the bottom you can have 15 $1000 gpu's and be at the top even though no one wnats them" this is not english

this is poorly written, that is all I said

What you said either comes out as either A) poor understanding of how market shares work B) You don't understand tech sales

either way, besides the point, its clear you wont understand.

[boreal coral]

you do realize a scientist has already proven we dont need commas periods ect. becouse our brains are intelligent enough to read and add everything in without it being written so we naturally understand, our brains are designed to fix error automatically just like i can write something backwards but you can read it perfectly

[prime jasper]

Thats not #technology discussion

[boreal coral]

technicallly it is

[prime jasper]

No, it's for offtopic

[boreal coral]

the brain is tech

its a convo of the brain thierfore a tech reffered tropic

[prime jasper]

I'm done here, have a nice day. Please go research previous market shares and road maps

before saying they will be equals

[boreal coral]

they will be just takes time

[prime jasper]

60+ years

[boreal coral]

doesnt matter if its 2 months or 20 years

the fact is they will

[prime jasper]

and even then AMD will only be at 30%

They wont

[boreal coral]

they will

its inevitabvble

[prime jasper]

intel is way more dominate

WOrk places, servers, AI learning facilities all use intel

[boreal coral]

doesnt matter pokemon was dominate look where its at now all it takes is new ideas persitance time and a track to what people want

[prime jasper]

I'm assuming you've never done anything relating to higher end marketing

You're saying that with no actual knowledge of the ecosystems, information, just stuff you assumed and a bias from it

[boreal coral]

the new process they have is brand new literally nothing they have done before becuz they just made it dont expect something to happen over night its completely unknown where they will be at in 20 years but if they keep it up they will succeed in being equals

[prime jasper]

It's not brand new...

and no they literally wont

[boreal coral]

amd might be the dominate in streaming performance and intel in gaming they will be equals

[prime jasper]

Maybe in the smallest percentage of what youre thinking, gaming pcs

[boreal coral]

yeah this new process is like going on 3 years

all new architecture

[prime jasper]

Zen isnt new

[boreal coral]

literally the ryzen architecture is brand new

[prime jasper]

it's existed for a while

[boreal coral]

no but the new form of it is

new die patterns to code new setup

[prime jasper]

Its the same form as bulldozer

[boreal coral]

no lol nevermind im done after that lol

[prime jasper]

I've been done as it's clear you have no clue what you're talking about

[boreal coral]

bulldozer if it wqas the same as bulldozer we wouldnt even be hearing of ryzen lol

[prime jasper]

I feel like youre not a native english speaker, possibly greek

[boreal coral]

omg idiots

[prime jasper]

to ellinikó mou eínai kakó allá xéro kápoia, eínai aftó to glossikó sas glossári?

[timid citrus]

Lol bring @opaque mist in here to settle this god awful convo

[prime jasper]

maybe someone can translate for me,

[timid citrus]

I read the whole convo

I can see where there is a loss in translation

But then you both turned into twelve year old internationals and started personally attacking one another. Which made anything you guys debated null and void lmao

[prime jasper]

I actually never attacked anyone, I just stated that his english was bad and I couldnt understand it

I know for a fact my english is bad and trying to translate it isn't my best skill

[cedar arch]

Hope rtx fails

[sour ivy]

Why lol

And Intel will probably always be better than AMD

[rose eagle]

people get real butthurt if you present actual facts 😉

[timid citrus]

@prime jasper when you state someone's English is bad that is a personal insult to that specific individual bud lol

[rose eagle]

no different than telling someone they walk funny or have a thick accent

RTX best not fail, i mean it at least needs to crush 1080ti prices down

[prime jasper]

@timid citrus not when it is literally bad enough where they have tons of typos and are using words that sound like it came out of google translate

[timid citrus]

@prime jasper you don't know his situation tho. Because he may have difficulty typing or comprehending

Or is on his mobile typing with autocorrect by not proof reading

[sour ivy]

That doesn't sound like autocorrect xD

[timid citrus]

@sour ivylol I know

[willow igloo]

hi i have a tech porblem iam playing bf1 on pc and i can only play 1 game and then it crashs on the 2nd game witch i dont get cos i have a 1080gtx grachics card a 7700k intel core prossor and ddr4 16gb ram so iam wondering whats going on so if anyone knows why its crashing so much would great

[timid citrus]

@willow igloo in origin right click on bf1 and select from the window repair. After it finishes see if that fixes any crashes

[willow igloo]

yh ive tryied repair thing and it didnt work

but thank you btw

[steep gust]

@boreal coral AMD doesn't have the budget / employees to compete with Nvidia

[lofty light]

@willow igloo updated your graphics drivers?

[rose eagle]

https://camelcamelcamel.com/EVGA-GeForce-Gaming-GDDR5X-Technology/product/B07417FZS6

Bring down those prices 20xx series

I don't understand how some Ti are $850 vs $650

Better be like 30% better perf

[quartz canopy]

I'm sure they'll drop in price once the 20 series comes out

[lofty light]

I'm looking forward to getting a water-cooled 1080ti when the 20's come out with the price going so low

[rose eagle]

1080Ti needs to be $400

2070 is supposed to be $400 I thought

[prime jasper]

Some sellers (1080ti) bought them at inflated prices, and are unable to drop below that price

so if you see someone selling 800 dollar 580 8gb

it is because they basically spent that to try to flip it for 1k

[sour ivy]

lul

[prime jasper]

but prices crashed and now they are stuck with it

[sour ivy]

580 for 800 is funny to think about

[lofty light]

And it was released to be a cheap card as entry level VR

[rose eagle]

$600 for EVGA 1080Ti already

$400 for 1070Ti

tough to blow $600 on a 1080Ti when 1080 regular is $450

https://www.evga.com/support/stepup/#

[prime jasper]

@rose eagle no one said this gen was going to be cheaper. We assumed better though.

They aren't powerful enough to over take past gen, hence price drops won't be drastic, not to mention if we follow 900 and 1000 series prices, 980ti brand new is still around $500+ if you can find them, used are 350-500 still also.

[rose eagle]

i mean we're already seeing drops from the news 2 days ago

[prime jasper]

Yes but not $400 1080ti levels

Also not all cards are created equally

[rose eagle]

no but this is good stuff 😉

a 1080Ti FTW3 edition for $670?

pretty much one of the best Ti's

[prime jasper]

Hence price differences, evga cards are notoriously expensive because they use they use high end thermal regulators and sensors

[rose eagle]

i got my 970GTX for $300 back in the day

so if 1070 falls to $300 we're golden back to good ole days

which is highly likely

[prime jasper]

Check their bstock

[rose eagle]

i do

some prices are higher than new

lol

[sour ivy]

isnt the 1070 like a LOT better than the 970?

[prime jasper]

I bought 20 1080s from them last month for $300 each

[rose eagle]

it's ok better yea

not enough to warrant purchasing though for my 1440p needs

a 1080 non Ti for $450 might be though

when a 1070Ti is $400 and 1080 is $450 it's kinda durr..

[prime jasper]

1070ti overclocks worse, that's about it

[rose eagle]

never really OC my vid anymore

shit better last me 4 yrs 😄

my 560Ti lasted 4 yr, this 970GTX looks like it's on its way out

after 3 short yrs, $100/yr feh

[prime jasper]

I just want pcie 4.0 to release

[rose eagle]

560Ti was $250.. best card in a while

and then these stupid 144hz monitors released

someone must be scalping the b stock daily if you somehow scored 20

its funny their b stock costs more than brand new

[prime jasper]

Ive been scalping it

I resell them for... $0 profit

[white wind]

You got me fucked up if you think I'd sell my 1070ti for below $400 even now, with new cards coming out

If you want a good card, gotta fork over that cash m8

[prime jasper]

Yeah, the only good card on the market is the titan V though and thats just hard to get a hold of

[sour ivy]

q.q

[rose eagle]

lol wut? whose 1070ti, a used one?

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1430950-REG/evga_geforce_gtx_1070_ti.html i mean, they're $400 now already brand new ;P

anyone who bought during the peak of the dumbass market within the last year got raped 3 ways

i call 2025 before we see a market worthwhile of RTX 😄

unity/unreal devs are too dunce to utilize it indefinitely

[lofty light]

Was looking at old mining cards yesterday, peeps were selling the K1ngpin edition 1080ti for half the new retail price

FTW3's for 800 AUS too

[willow igloo]

ive tryied updated the grachics drivers 2 and that doesnt work

[willow igloo]

iam still geting crashs after 1 game of bf1

[prime jasper]

@lofty light I want a kingpin, give me

[rose eagle]

1080 non Ti $430 O_o

[modern forum]

those calculators are spicy bro

buy one when you're a freshman in hs

it pays off

but not non TI what the hell is that for 430

[rose eagle]

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814487252&cm_re=1080-_-14-487-252-_-Product

er that brought up the wrong model

hate these multi model pages

the first one

false fkin advertising

the main page you click in from is the FTW edition

but then its "just" the ACX 3 version

still..

nice to see any 1080 down to $430

im probably holding out for 1080Ti to get down to $430, that's my wife's magical price point

all i asked her was what price should i wait for, she had no idea if it was $100 or $1000 what i was asking for, lol

i recently asked her 1-40 what price point to sell Gamestop stock and she said $17 and i sold it today 😄

maybe she's psychic!

target price bottom for 1080Ti $430 you heard it here first!

1070Ti -> 1080 is kinda eh, same price point almost too

but that 1080Ti perf...

is stock drying up quickly already on 1080s though? there's more "on the way" on some sites, but surely they arent already trying to phase it out

i dont think a 2070 will touch a 1080Ti

[modern forum]

wait

i bought an old school one at an office max for like 150-180 its worked fine

like TI-84

analog

[lofty light]

@prime jasper what do you think of AdoredTV?

[limber salmon]

our Uni is selling old workstations

90€ for a pc with: Intel i5-3470, 3.2 GHz, 8GB RAM, 500GB HDD, Nvidia GT 640 2GB GP + HP Compaq LA2306x monitor + mouse + Keyboard

[limber salmon]

I might go and get one today

and build a server out of it

[lofty light]

Hell yeah

[limber salmon]

Current theme in my studies is Networks so everything goes hand in hand

[prime jasper]

I paid $125 for my actual pc. i5-3470, 12gb ram, gtx 1050

[lofty light]

Couple of mates and I bought our first dedicated server as a bitser like that

Old school computers are normally not bad if it's a rich school too

[prime jasper]

@lofty light who?

guess that answers the question

[lofty light]

Fair enough 😛

He's a YouTuber who peeps seem to like and I used to watch but he seems VERY biased for AMD

[prime jasper]

yes

he is

holy shit

even lies about their financial reports

wow

So... fuck him

[agile rain]

True

Much accuracy

[sour ivy]

lule

that dog is hella cute

[prime jasper]

its not that much more

[sour ivy]

its a meme 😃

[prime jasper]

if you cant afford $200 more than you shouldnt be playing video games as you're mcjob isn't a means to support a single person

[sour ivy]

xD

well its a lot of money

[prime jasper]

no its not

[sour ivy]

1000 dollars isn't pocket change for most people

[prime jasper]

$1000 is a months rent

[sour ivy]

to spend on a computer COMPONENT

[prime jasper]

Then get a better job

[sour ivy]

yes thats very helpful

[prime jasper]

or do on disability as that pays more than mcdonalds

[agile rain]

Damn, lemme just instantly get a better job, so easy, damn you right

[prime jasper]

Send me a resume

[sour ivy]

I cant get disability because im not disabled lmao

[prime jasper]

my company has been trying to fill 50 spots for tech support for months

[agile rain]

I don't even have my degree yet, gimme year and half

[prime jasper]

dont need one

its tech support

your job is to get yelled at

[sour ivy]

you just say turn it off and turn it back on?

nice

[agile rain]

@prime jasper so it's the army?

[prime jasper]

No

its customer service

[sour ivy]

same difference

[prime jasper]

No, the army is better

you get yelled at less

[sour ivy]

how much does it pay

[prime jasper]

We start at $19 an hour

[agile rain]

Not bad I guess

[prime jasper]

after 6 months you can get a raise to $23

after a year you get end of year bonuses

[agile rain]

Do I need to be from India with the name Chris?

[prime jasper]

No

you just need to stay awake and answer phones

which is shockingly hard to find as a qualification

[agile rain]

[prime jasper]

Most people we hire last about 3 days

[sour ivy]

lole

[prime jasper]

and it takes 4 days for the paper work to get through to register them as employees

[agile rain]

Lol

[prime jasper]

so they dont ever get paid

[agile rain]

Rip

[sour ivy]

ez

[prime jasper]

seriously

we cant even fill the 10 required spots to the point where Im working tech support

[agile rain]

[prime jasper]

How hard is it to tell an IT who calls up to "reboot the server"

?

and stay awake for 8 hours

an answer the phone by the fourth ring

[agile rain]

Well idk, sitting and staying up 8 hours is hard

I get through work because I'm standing

[prime jasper]

Its an it company, bring your gaming pc in and you can play games all the time youre there

We even have consoles set up for employees

not that anyone uses them

[agile rain]

Nani?

[prime jasper]

We literally use PS4s to keep windows open and an xbone to keep a door open

[agile rain]

What are y'all, Google? 👀

[prime jasper]

no

just some hole in the wall warehouse with around 80 employees

[agile rain]

[prime jasper]

GEEP is very similar to us

the difference is we are more exclusive than geep

[agile rain]

I heard of geep from the latest season of scrapyard wars

They make PC's for like businesses

Enterprise stuff

[prime jasper]

yes

except they also sell to normal people

they just lired to linus straight out

https://www.geepstore.com/en/

[agile rain]

Didn't Linus try to buy from them and they wouldn't do it

[prime jasper]

I know which employee that was

[agile rain]

And?

[prime jasper]

I have to deal with geep a lot since we both do recycling but we do more server stuff

well that employee is always a pain

since he tells me the same stuff

which is why i do everything over email

[agile rain]

They kicked him out when he had his camera stuff in there

[prime jasper]

yes because their warehouse isnt a store

[agile rain]

Could have nicely told him to stop recording

[prime jasper]

but he was kicked out for having a camera

well yes they could have

but they arent known for being very friendly

if they werent so large no one would deal with them

[agile rain]

They had one of the most influential tech YouTubers in there, like doesn't look great for em

Big oof

[prime jasper]

honestly, linus is also not the nicest guy

not to mention they dont do over the phone orders

[agile rain]

But he's persistent, lol

[prime jasper]

its online sales only

reminds me I need to buy a new laptop

[sour ivy]

DO IT

caps

[prime jasper]

I am. I'm going to probably buy a t530 since its cheap and does what I need it to do

DEW IT !

[agile rain]

Do it, no balls

[prime jasper]

$180 and sold

because I buy used

typically grade B

little tip, grade B is a dirt cheap and normally has tiny imperfections

grade Cs arent much cheaper than grade B and can have hardware issues on occasion

plus used thinkpads are everywhere

no need to spend $600+ on a brand new laptop for school or basic work tasks

[agile rain]

I want a laptop with atleast something like a mx150 for editing on the go

[sour ivy]

isnt that like a rough equiv of a 1030?

[distant vine]

my laptop has bad heating problem......

[agile rain]

@sour ivy idk probably. But it's atleast discrete so you can gpu accelerate Photoshop and premiere

[sour ivy]

right

[agile rain]

Gaming would be oof but that's not what it for

[sour ivy]

not rlly oof

whats the cpu

[prime jasper]

Id never buy a laptop with an mx150

thats just asking for trouble

[agile rain]

Better than integrated, need that discrete for Adobe

[prime jasper]

mx150s range from 630 to 1030

they are really shitty chips

[agile rain]

Well the next step up is a 1050 not ti

[prime jasper]

there is always the m4800, its cheap and has a quadro

[agile rain]

Why would I need a Quadro?

[prime jasper]

no reason

actaully there is a really good deal on m4800s

[agile rain]

Define good deal

[prime jasper]

around 300ish

it has a 4800mq which is a nice processor

[agile rain]

Gotta be a low end Quadro then

[prime jasper]

and a quadro k2100m

yes

its like a gt750

576 @ 667 MHz 128 Bit @ 3000 MHz

wow fuck it im getting this when I get paid for myself

its a nifty laptop

its got all the specs I want and can do some minor tasks like video editing

its not super fancy

but itll do

[agile rain]

What, 750? Boi a mx150 better than a 750

[prime jasper]

not all mx150's are created equal

^

at least with the k2100m I know Im getting at least the performance of a 660ti

but with the mx150 it could be 1030 or way way worse than a 660ti

[agile rain]

Hmmmm

[prime jasper]

they are really bad chips

[agile rain]

Your mum a bad chip

[prime jasper]

no my mother is a prostitute

[agile rain]

I knew it

That means you're a slut

Mahaha

[sour ivy]

Eventually I'm going to get rid of my macbook

For college

What do you recommend for video editing school work and a bit of gaming at medium settings

@prime jasper

[agile rain]

A rock

A commodore 64

[sour ivy]

Acer Predator Helios 300 Gaming Laptop, 15.6" Full HD IPS, Intel i7-7700HQ CPU, 16GB DDR4 RAM, 256GB SSD, GeForce GTX 1060-6GB, VR Ready, Red Backlit KB, Metal Chassis, Windows 10 64-bit, G3-571-77QK https://www.amazon.com/dp/B06Y4GZS9C/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_kGUFBb0MNZMJE

[prime jasper]

thats a pretty nice system, too bad you cant afford it

[sour ivy]

Yes I can @prime jasper

I'm saving for a new laptop

[prime jasper]

then why did you buy a ryzen 3?

[sour ivy]

Ryzen 5?

Because it is good for what I paid

[prime jasper]

you were talking about a ryzen 3 the last time

[sour ivy]

Naw I got a 2600x

[prime jasper]

ok good

[sour ivy]

Haha I'm actually happy with it

Quite happy

[prime jasper]

its not a bad processor

I just had issues with the platform

[sour ivy]

I can't wait to see what it can do when I get 3000mhz ram

[prime jasper]

2933 for ryzen or else it can become unstable

they dont use the best memory controllers

[sour ivy]

Ok

[prime jasper]

[turbid verge]

https://imgur.com/vV13myb

Great place to post this

[white wind]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/422598689928773632/482212071799521288/OX79BTm0vFEMGviPQu4enQZUd4tR_o_-OPNbNhZKVAo.jpg

Couldn't agree more

[rose eagle]

oh i read too deep into that like this is the perception of your life without raytracing 😄

[agile rain]

https://eteknix-eteknixltd.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/5-13.jpg

[steep gust]

@prime jasper That has been generally fixed

If you watch compatibility from manufactures you should have no issues getting RAM to run at 3200mhz

[prime jasper]

its still a thing though, you see a lot of low end boards have issues like that

it has gotten better but it's still not fool proof

[prime jasper]

Does anyone know how to fix a PunkBuster issue with BF4?

[rose eagle]

Why the hell is there a FTW3 edition 1080ti $650 vs $800 with 100hz lower clock

They make this very confusing

And then 5 similar cards with exact same clocks with different fans but can't tell what else

[prime jasper]

I dunno m8

[lofty light]

For your first question, is it the seconds version of the card? Also the other bit is probably the better cooling/components on the PCB

[rose eagle]

feel like a 1070Ti is a huge waste right now with the 2070 price point being the same supposedly

if i buy anything itll be through EVGA for the step up program, no worries then

just need time for 2070 to come out, you get 90 days from purchase to upgrade to newer tech and just pay the price diff

[prime jasper]

its not, the 2070 is weird

if the hypothetical benchmarks are right, the 2070 is weaker than a 1070ti because the pci-e 3.1 slot is bottlenecking the 20xx series

[prime jasper]

sounds like a faill from nvidia to me

[scenic gorge]

i still want it

bad

ly

i WAnt rEAl TIme rAYtRaciNg

wait how much is it

[strong breach]

around 600€ for 2070

around 1400€ for the 2080ti

[scenic gorge]

oooof

ok

well

not aaas bad as I thought

[strong breach]

I'd probably play with RTX off either way

and got 1070 already so not really worth of the upgrade

for me 👀

[distant vine]

people will play multiplayer with RTX on?

FPS > super duper ultra graphic quality

[magic totem]

Man I just noticed that my ram is capping my battlefield 1
I really should upgrade from 8 to 16gigs
But damn 155 euro's for ram?

[prime jasper]

@distant vine you can say that millions of times but people will always pick graphics over frames

for instance we had a dude who kept saying he was a professional gamer, how pros only played csgo on 60 fps because there wasnt a benefit to playing at 144 fps and only negatives. Also talked about how 60fps IPS panels were superior to 144hz TN panels

[prime jasper]

rtx might improve situational awareness since it i guess lights the surrounding areas better than without it

but i doubt

[rose eagle]

realistic expectations is RTX tech + RTX card = great perf, but the overall FPS will probably be comparable if not worse than a 1080Ti without RTX crap enabled?

ambient occlusion seems like a hindrance if anything to competitiveness

all these fancy ass features are extra bs for the eye to process

[prime jasper]

I'm only getting an rtx 2080ti because I want to have the ability to have ray tracing on in an rpg

expensive

[strong breach]

im just waiting for more titles to support it

i only got PUBG and will be getting BFV and those are the only games that will support it as for now

[quartz canopy]

Pubg 🤢

FiX pUbGeE

[prime jasper]

fun fact, the 2080ti is actually a titan with gaming drivers

its just confusing marketing from them

[sour ivy]

What no pro plays csgo on below 100 frames

Lmao

I play csgo on 350fps

[prime jasper]

I thought you played csgo on a trash can

[sour ivy]

😉

[agile rain]

@scenic gorge u get nothing

[rose eagle]

when is 1080ti going to be $450

[white wind]

Probably not soon

Who knows

RTX is meme status for a lot of people atm due to the prices, so a lot seem to be holding onto their cards & skipping this new gen for now

I sure will be, with my comfy GTX1070ti

Sure was looking forward to the new cards, but HA, nice meme NVIDIA

[sour ivy]

Yep

Ray tracing

[prime jasper]

@rose eagle when the 2180ti comes out it will be

[rose eagle]

i dont see any reason 2080ti will push 1080ti prices down that far

with its price point

[prime jasper]

2080ti is a titan

not a ti

[rose eagle]

if the 2070 is within 10% perf of the 1080ti it will drive the prices down

[prime jasper]

nvidia got the bright idea to call the titan of this gen the 2080ti

which is why its $1200\

[scenic gorge]

@agile rain i hate you weeb

[prime jasper]

it actually might not work well with gaming because nvidia says stupid stuff like "its not for gaming"

[scenic gorge]

ok what

thanje nvidia

[rose eagle]

1080ti stock is drying up so maybe thats a good thing

lower priced inventory

[prime jasper]

its more of people buying them up because the price is spiking on them again

[rose eagle]

because they realized the prices of stupid ass 20xx and perf isnt as expected? ;D

shoulda snagged one for 650

[prime jasper]

Yes

should have

the cheapest they will get used is probably 500-550

used kingpins are like $1300

thats above msrp

[rose eagle]

1080 non Ti are 450

$200 for that perf x_x

[prime jasper]

actually you can find 1080s all over the place for 300-350

[odd goblet]

Is my PC good enough to run Skyrim?

[prime jasper]

yes

[rose eagle]

on top of that it's confusing with the boost clocks

[prime jasper]

not really

its just an OC

[rose eagle]

1569 MHz - Boostable to 1683 MHz vs 1480 MHz - Boostable to 1683 MHz

why the core clock diffs

its a 1080 ti..

[prime jasper]

factory overclocks

[rose eagle]

CPUs dont have all this nonsense

[prime jasper]

and the internal turbo booster

[rose eagle]

feel like ill regret any 1080ti if i dont get at least a 1670+

[prime jasper]

if AMD processors had board partners, they would

It's just factory overclocks, you can completely ignore them

[rose eagle]

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814487336 theres still this nice one for 650

why would you pay +$150 for that FTW3 wtih 3 fans?

[prime jasper]

because its better

[rose eagle]

with basically same clocks

13mhz

[prime jasper]

the FTW3 runs cooler, has a superior pcb, superior bin on the gpu, and tons of other reasons

[rose eagle]

how does that equate to my FPS in BF

if im not OC'ing

[prime jasper]

with a 1080ti if you dont get a 3 fan, just get a 1080 since the card runs hot that it can throttle in shit tier cases

[sour ivy]

Aka my case :)

[prime jasper]

yeah, your case would throttle a 1080ti

[sour ivy]

Most likely

[rose eagle]

i got a fat ass full tower from 2000 😄

[sour ivy]

Because I have a shittyyyyyyy case

[rose eagle]

son of a bitch weighs like 40lb

[sour ivy]

Its a 30 dollar thermaltake versa h22

Or something

[prime jasper]

@rose eagle which case?

[rose eagle]

plenty room all around my vid card

[sour ivy]

It's a shitty box of shit

[rose eagle]

hell if i know anymore lol

[prime jasper]

take a picture

[sour ivy]

Oh yeah my gpu has a decent amount of room

[rose eagle]

its just a solid box 😄

[prime jasper]

just because it has room doesnt mean the case is thermally sound

[sour ivy]

O

[rose eagle]

found it online

[sour ivy]

Dang son

[prime jasper]

yeah that case will fry a 1080ti

hell it would cause an 8600k to throttle

[rose eagle]

pff my 3770k is rockin

[prime jasper]

that cpu runs cooler than a coffee lake

my idle temps are 40c

[rose eagle]

the stock cooler was pushin my cpu to 85c easy

[rose eagle]

i got aftermarket cheap and now it's 40c idle

[prime jasper]

I have an nh-d15

[sour ivy]

That's my shit box

[rose eagle]

my case has 2 80mm in and out

[sour ivy]

But I'm not getting a new gpu anytime soon

Because I have a 1060 with is decent

[rose eagle]

so i dont see any problem with it

[sour ivy]

I have no need for a 1080ti

[prime jasper]

my case https://www.silverstonetek.com/product.php?pid=737&area=en

[rose eagle]

theres like 4inches under my video card where an 80mm fan blows right across it

[prime jasper]

and an 80mm doesnt produce enough air flow for modern gpus

unless its running at like 4000 rpm

[sour ivy]

200 for a case

[prime jasper]

it just will throttle them

[sour ivy]

I have a stock cooler but as you recommended I should overclock it slightly so it doesnt turbo

[sour ivy]

Or can I just set it to be at 4 always

So I'm just setting it to the max it turbos to

[prime jasper]

i dont know very much about the ryzen stock cooler

so I dont know

[sour ivy]

Max I've seen under load was about 80c

1 hour

[prime jasper]

thats higher than I like to see

[sour ivy]

I'm thinking of getting an h7

But lemme see if that'd fit in my case

Are thermal pads good?

Like the alternative to paste

[prime jasper]

no

way worse in fact

[sour ivy]

Lol alright

[prime jasper]

jayztwocents did a video about it

[sour ivy]

Just was wondering because it showed up when I searched up thermal paste

[prime jasper]

are you talking about those graphite pads?

[sour ivy]

Yes

So the h7 is the best air cooler that will fit in my case?

Okie

[prime jasper]

i dont know

whats the clearance?

[sour ivy]

So 155mm

[prime jasper]

umm

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835118223

[sour ivy]

Thanks

That's a unique looking cooler xd

[prime jasper]

yes, its also one of the best on the market

[sour ivy]

Wow

Alrighty

I appreciate that

[prime jasper]

its not easy to install

[sour ivy]

O

[prime jasper]

and expect to be cut by it

[sour ivy]

Thanks for the warning lmao

[prime jasper]

the fins are razor blades

[sour ivy]

They look that way

[prime jasper]

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835118003

i prefer this one because I hate blue leds

[sour ivy]

Idc about color

I care about if it works

[prime jasper]

i care about looks

[sour ivy]

Are there any aio coolers that would be better for a similar price

Liquid coolers I mean

[prime jasper]

fuck no

[sour ivy]

Haha alright

[white wind]

AIOs or liquid coolers in general.. hahaYES

[sour ivy]

@prime jasper if I opt to go for one easier to set up what should I get

[prime jasper]

Don't really have an opinion honestly.

[sour ivy]

Other than the h7?

-_-

[rose eagle]

my 3770k is now stable OCd from 3.5 to 4.3 on the old trusty EVO 212, $20

in my omgwtfbbq case you think is shit 😉

its actually only at 4.3 due to requiring 1.27v to get there

not really due to heating issues

[sour ivy]

Doesnt ryzen run a lot hotter then that CPU though?

[rose eagle]

which one?

you need a bracket for Ryzen most likely

AM4

dont care what anyone says, for $20 you cannot beat this https://www.amazon.com/Cooler-Master-RR-212E-20PK-R2-Direct-Contact/dp/B005O65JXI/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1535145229&sr=8-1&keywords=hyper+212+evo

$10 MIR right now, $30 usually

got a week to decide ;P

i also got MX-4 thermal compound for $10

[prime jasper]

Actually you can, for $20 you can get a block of copper and cut groves into it and it'll cool it several hundred times better

also the 212 cant cool a ryzen very well, 212s are no longer good

h7 is a decent enough cooler though, I wouldnt call it easy to install though

@rose eagle never go less than kryonaught. MX-4 isnt a bad paste, it just scratches the fuck out of everything and needs to be replaced once a year on average

[rose eagle]

stick with the most reviews on amazon and your life will turn out average and happy

and give all technology at least 1 year before adopting it

[prime jasper]

if I could settle for average then I wouldnt be making 6 figures a year

[agile rain]

@scenic gorge 😦

[sour ivy]

Wow so cool 6 figures

[prime jasper]

explains why im always broke though

[sour ivy]

That's probably true

[agile rain]

@prime jasper Stop spending money on hookers smh

[prime jasper]

bills bro

tech is expensive

[agile rain]

Thats alot of bills

As soon as I can afford it, I am buying a Tesla Model 3 👀 but that is just me

[scenic gorge]

kek

[agile rain]

No kek for you

[rose eagle]

Mo money Mo problems

If you got none you don't care about tech 😆

Only reason I'm considering a

New card is because GameStop did well for me this month

[agile rain]

👀

[rose eagle]

I rolled the magic 8 ball and played the option on it and it went on a nice bull run ;)

I should reinvest it all but what's the fun in that

[white wind]

Or drop twelve grand on GPUs to mine with

Then cry when crypto mining isn't worth it anymore

Because you dropped twelve grand on GPUs you couldn't afford to begin with, so you got loans for, etc.

[rose eagle]

Yea that doesn't sound like it's in my 10 year plan

[prime jasper]

@rose eagle just buy a used one off r/hardwareswap

[limpid glade]

r/nosleep is crazy

[prime jasper]

what does that have to do with tech?

[limpid glade]

Not much

[prime jasper]

then post it in general

[sour ivy]

^ or nowhere

[prime jasper]

[white wind]

Oculus Rift on EBay, worth getting?

[sour ivy]

100 dollar shipping

[limpid glade]

nO

Oculus Rift and general VR is overhyped. Not many games.

I would wait until VR is a technology that we are capable of optimising and expanding.

[rose eagle]

it wont happen

itll come and go like the wind as it did in the 80s ;D

its for people who have plenty of disposable income who just want something cool

anyone with a family it's kind of.. what? Detaching yourself from your actual family and surroundings, you're all alone in a set of goggles.. isn't ideal.

[white wind]

@sour ivy My dude

There was this one post with $250.00 shipping as well

Some sketchy ass cunts trying to scam people

I normally would agree, but companies are already working on the 2nd generation of VR head sets, the new prototypes are like goggles & lightweight, for some designs @rose eagle

Not to mention that it has really positive feedback, usually, I don't see this being a fad

VR was total shit in the 80's, even more so in the 60's with the first prototype that took up a small closet space, & required the user to sit, you may be right, but I think its to the level where people can use it pretty comfortably & enjoy it now, enough to keep using it

[prime jasper]

VR is really cool, the issue is that its still a prototype. It requires a fuck ton of free space and has issues.

I know a dude who bought a ps4 vr headset and a ton of games for it... he only plays rb6s and hasnt even opened the games yet

[white wind]

VRChat has been hacked, this patch, lmao, the main game I want to use it for

People are labeling themselves as Mods/Devs, tracking players logins/instance activity, crashing people, sending moderation messages & warnings to people in mass numbers in worlds, etc.

More so than usual, actual hacks, not some script kiddie stuff that half the playerbase uses at this point

So I'm questioning if its even worth it to spend $400 on an Oculus with things like this going on all the time

[white wind]

New update, DevTools on VRChat officially hacked

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/483317421420052481/483389784308449300/2018-08-24_22-26-32.mp4

[lofty light]

Half of my mates and two of my bros have the Vive, I was going to save up for the Vive pro but ended up getting a good monitor instead

[white wind]

Oh no

Vive Pro isn't worth the price, compared to what it offers

A lot prefer the original Vive over the Pro as well

[lofty light]

But but....moar pixels!

[steep gust]

If you have the stands already get the pro

Its not worth all the extra money if you have nothing vive releated

[prime jasper]

I have a pro vibrator too

[lofty light]

I mean, who doesn't

[rotund pendant]

which laptop should i buy

i want a laptop thats not black and red

and has gpu

£1200 budget

[floral badger]

why not buy a desktop with that budget ?

[magic totem]

👆

[rotund pendant]

i have a desktop

[floral badger]

ahh well idk

[rotund pendant]

maybe macbook idk

[winged tapir]

depends what you wanna do with it

I bought my macbook 4 weeks ago and i am super happy with it

[rotund pendant]

which one did u buy

[winged tapir]

13" 2018

was 2k

[rotund pendant]

i think im buying the 1.2k one

2017

[prime jasper]

macbooks are for very specific uses, generally they get completely wrecked in those by linux OS laptops, but it requires effort

what are you trying to use it for? I can tell you what would be the best pick

Of you're after the cleanest looking porn, mac books are the best pick.

[wet notch]

Hey guys, calling all hardware gurus

i recently changed a chassi fan because a fan started making noises and i suspects its a chassi fan

i used an older one, stock for my last computer, and the only difference i can see is that its 0.14a instead of 0.38a

how can that affect my comp? its on the rear of the chassi

[rotund pendant]

@prime jasper design

architectural/civil

plus i have a pc with i5 8400 1060 16gb ram

so dont need it to be insanely beefy

[prime jasper]

@wet notch can shortout the fan/fan port

[wet notch]

it can?

[prime jasper]

yes

[wet notch]

but it means ampere?

[prime jasper]

yes

higher ampere fans normally mean higher voltage

lower ones can sometimes short out on it

[wet notch]

oh shit

[prime jasper]

0.38a would normally indicated 12v

[wet notch]

they are both 12v

[prime jasper]

then that means the 0.14a is an incredibly low rpm

or it's prone to massive power leakage

[wet notch]

yeah its definately more quiet

but is higher ampere better?

or must it be exactly the same as the other one

[prime jasper]

i swore like .14a fans were 40mm

then like .38a were 75mm

[wet notch]

they are both the same size

120mm

[prime jasper]

know what

let me get back to you after I grab my coffee

I just woke up

[wet notch]

okies

[prime jasper]

if the voltages are the same, it'll probably be fine

[wet notch]

ah ok

im gonna check with the support where i bought the computer just to make sure

[prime jasper]

they probably wont know

honestly amperes are something you dont normally list on specs for a reason

it just has to do with power flow

[wet notch]

ah yeah

i called em up and he said it's not going to short it or anything, but the airflow might get worse

so i think i'll order a new chassis fan and use this one for like 2 days

cuz i still want to keep a decent airflow

[prime jasper]

Thats generally what Im thinking, I still wouldn't fuck with it too much as some motherboards are really finicky

[wet notch]

ye

[quiet coyote]

pls help.
When i start bf4 on my pc, i get sound and a black screen. but can hear the mouse hovering over buttons on the screen. when i click outside the game screen i get the screen up right. but when i click back it gets black.. tried reset the video settings didn't help.
"not sure what i did but it works again."

[sour ivy]

Ok lol

[white wind]

Why does BO3 have to run on a host system for zombies

[formal garden]

😐

[white wind]

Like really man, come on

[prime jasper]

do you really expect blizzard-activision to supply servers to a copypasta low budget high profit game?

[wet notch]

is it difficult to replace a power supply on a desktop pc?

[normal rivet]

no

[white wind]

Just annoying

[lofty light]

Depends on the case for how easy it is

And if you can be stuffed making the cable routing nice

[wet notch]

the stuff im worrying about mostly is: either forgetting to connect something and breaking my computer when it starts, or: figuring out which order the hard drives should be connected

[normal rivet]

if you forget something it just wont start. Power supply order for hdds doesnt matter

actually its difficult to messed up anything

[unkempt shadow]

I got a server connection issue? I press join and goes on loading then it turns black and take me back to join section

thank you

[prime jasper]

@wet notch is it a prebuilt tower?

[wet notch]

what do you mean?

[prime jasper]

some prebuilts like from dell have proprietary PSUs

which either mean it's tricky or impossible

[wet notch]

ah, yeah, i bought the computer already built

but, the company i bought it from puts parts from different brands together

[prime jasper]

might be fine, generally though it's not hard

[wet notch]

i think i should be OK tbh

im hoping for them to send me a new one under warranty

[prime jasper]

what company?

[lofty light]

Oh! One thing is never to use mixed brands for cables and PSU, they're not properly standardized

[prime jasper]

Yes. Also some brands aren't even standardized with their own cables. I've had issues like that with seasonic before

[wet notch]

@prime jasper they are called "komplett", but pretty exclusive to scandinavia i think

[prime jasper]

Yeah I know nothing of them.

[rigid knoll]

Does anyone know if you can make BF1 remember the window size and position, in windowed mode?

[prime jasper]

by yelling at windows

[rigid knoll]

Actually, you can set the window dimensions, and positioning in the user.cfg located on your bf1 folder

[prime jasper]

that works too, but I prefer yelling at windows

it deserves it, it's been a very bad OS

[sour ivy]

Lmao

[rose eagle]

any game can claim RTX now probably with like hardly any implementation of it

nvidia can pay me $500k if they want for my indie game and ill gladly implement some RTX on our 2d game

missed these game ready drivers already for BF:V beta

[white wind]

Windows 10 has indeed been very bad @prime jasper

Had the BSoD 3 times since I got my new rig with Windows 10, never BSoD before in my life all the way from Windows 95 to Windows 7, switch to Windows 10, & in the span of 3 months, 3 BSoD? Fucking rip

[prime jasper]

Win10 BSODs on me constantly

fun fact, more often than not it's because I didnt update windows

like with TESO, when it updates if you arent on the most current win10 update it bsods

[white wind]

Yeah.. I've never hated an OS so much in my life

I even installed Mint on my desktop as well, after my Antegros install failed because of my motherboard having issues with it, trying to switch my main OS, but of course gaming on Linux is..

I was ready to ditch Windows all together, but sadly I have to stick with it

Never has an OS in my life pissed me off so much

[prime jasper]

gaming on linux is getting better

steam is actually putting effort into linux support now

[unreal locust]

does anyone own any 200mm RGB fans and what ones to recommend

my shitty stock 200mm fans are dying in my Thermaltake Chaser MK-1

[prime jasper]

Youd need to get the exact ones for the case, 200mm isnt standardized

not to mention I think only coolermaster and thermaltake make them these days, maybe others

I know noctua does, but those arent rgb

[lofty light]

The ones in the H500P are supposedly alright, however the standardisation issue is still there

[prime jasper]

plus the chase mk-1 is an old case

which means even new thermaltakes might not fit

because 200m fans were never actually 200m

[sour ivy]

Mine bosds when sometimes when i turn it on after its aslerp

[unreal locust]

Yeah it sucks, I don't want to buy another set of the stock 200mm fans because they suck

[prime jasper]

theres a reason why they stopped making them for years

[visual cedar]

Anyone knows how to fix this? I can quicklaunch BF1 from windows button but BF1 keep bouncing out of server loading page. BF4 works though.

Origin is forever stuck in this screen, but Steam and Uplay both works smoothly.

[quartz canopy]

Uninstall/reinstall if it doesn't work after relaunching

Or, open as administrator

[visual cedar]

Did that, cleaned origin cache and browser cache as a EA forum page suggested

[quartz canopy]

And uninstalled/reinstalled?

[visual cedar]

Yes.

[quartz canopy]

🤔

Contact support via live chat

[silent belfry]

Using EVGA PrecisionX Anyone know how to slow down a GPU Clock?

Don't wanna fuck with anything i don't know

[lofty light]

@prime jasper TESO, you play elder scrolls?

[prime jasper]

Yes I do

[lofty light]

Sweet

That's basically all I've been playing now that BF1 is playing up again

[prime jasper]

Just go to view and game library

[prime jasper]

do you guys think BF5 will run as good as BF1? my i7 3770k is starting to show its age but if the two games run nearly identical as good it might not be worth spending all the money for a new CPU and motherboard

[sour ivy]

It won't run the same but you still should be able to run it @prime jasper

Youd also need a ram upgrade as well

[prime jasper]

true, i think it will be a struggle hitting around 120-150 frames though to utilize my 144hz monitor

[sour ivy]

Oh, you definitely won't be hitting those frames

@prime jasper knows much more than me

But I can't see a world where the 3370k runs the game at 144fps

[prime jasper]

i dont expect to run it at maximum graphics but still

i have a 1070 aswell but i doubt it will be able to carry the weight

[sour ivy]

Well the card can push that fps

But can the cpu

Probably not

[prime jasper]

yeah well, lets hope the beta is a good resemblance of the final performance

[sour ivy]

Yes

I'm hoping I can run it well, since i just got some extra ram

My ram was hitting 95 percent on the alpha

[prime jasper]

damn, how many gbs u running?

[sour ivy]

I WAS running 8

Now I have 12

Yes, I'm losing out on performance

But still it shouldn't lag so much

8gb isnt really enough for bfv

[prime jasper]

8gb isnt really enough for any triple AAA game with good graphics

[sour ivy]

That's not true

Well partly it's TRUE now

For the newest games

[prime jasper]

i guess

@prime jasper you'll be fine. you might bottleneck slightly though. What hertz is your cpu at?

@prime jasper 4.3 ghz

you can always try to get 4.5 or 4.6, it might help with a few frames

is it that easy to overclock it? im familliar with overclocking my GPU but i have never tried anything with my CPU

yeah its pretty easy

just dont go higher than 1.35v

i'd suggest not trying to pass 1.2 though

try just boosting the clock without increasing the voltage first though

never know how high it can get

ill definitely look into it, thanks for the answers

no problem

[steep gust]

@prime jasper you do realize 1.2v is below the stock voltage for almost every chip?

Generally 1.4-1.45v is the limit people say

[prime jasper]

vcore is 1.0

and no, 1.35 is the recommended limit as anything over can damage the cpu

and motherboard

[steep gust]

Really? Because the stock voltage on my 8600k was 1.22v?

and I would like you to link me to the product specification that says that 1.35v is the voltage limit for CPUs and motherboards

Because I shoved 1.512v into my 8600k on a non-overclocking motherboard to get on a leaderboard without any damage

and even with setting my vcore to 1.0v, it still turbos up to 1.22v since I'm too lazy to fuck around in the BIOS

[prime jasper]

Its on the intel and amd schematics and every guide. Also that 1.22v is from the turbo clock, if you leave everything on auto it can also underclock itself below 1.0 when say you're just using discord

[steep gust]

Speedstep

and please link me to the Intel schematics then

[prime jasper]

You can shove as much voltage as you want to, but that doesn't mean that prolonged use wont damage it, because it can

remember that I said can, not will

why not just grab it yourself? AMD and intel both have them.

[steep gust]

lets see

[prime jasper]

the max recommended for normal use cases is 1.35, personally i dont like going higher. Ive fried a ton of cpus in my life.

1.35 and under is the "safe" standard

[steep gust]

because a quick google search only brings up schematics for ancient CPUs

Its not publicly release information

and no, most people say 1.4-1.45v is the 'safe' limit

[prime jasper]

No they dont

[steep gust]

It depends entirely on your CPU and cooling

[prime jasper]

some hardcore ones will say 1.4-1.45 but only on enthusiast sites where it's assumed you have high end cooling.

I'm assuming people here have stock coolers

and lower end parts

[steep gust]

you shouldn't be overclocking on stock coolers

So you are literally telling people to risk frying their CPUs on something you should only be doing on high end cooling

[prime jasper]

well ryzen stock coolers are just fine for minor OC

with intel Im assuming they have a 212

Im not telling anyone to do major OC, just very minor

100 or 200 mhz

[steep gust]

I run a 212 since I'm a cheap fuck but I know what I'm doing and undervolted it hard

100 to 200mhz does literally nothing

[prime jasper]

it can

[steep gust]

You will get more gain out of enabling MCE

wow you get 3fps

[prime jasper]

yes

3 fps

[steep gust]

which isn't noticeable

[prime jasper]

no but it can help with dips and stability

in some cases