#technology
turbid verge
prime jasper
@quaint topaz Toshiba
agile rain
@prime jasper Outta here 
odd goblet
For my two Xboxes at home, both of my 1TB external drivers are Seagate.
Pretty cheap too, each one costs about $60
prime jasper
Still don't like Seagate :/
🤷
And yes, I know these servers are running 24/7, but still it says something about reliability
prime jasper
Seagate aren't bad now that WD is cutting production of hdds
Yes, but they still won't be my preference. Seagate improved, but not enough 🤷
prime jasper
I used to be the same way
quaint topaz
Any cheap RGB fans with Asus aura sync?
cedar arch
But the problem is mine doesn’t match it maybe something is wrong
rocky trail
some of the cards come with an OC.
whats your card?
also whats your CPU, maybe you are getting a bottleneck
cedar arch
Sudden dips since driver change
cedar arch
Tnx
rocky trail
👌🏽
quaint topaz
Anything to add or remove?
prime jasper
Where's your graphics card?
quaint topaz
I have a 1070
prime jasper
Well, I might get criticism on this, but I think 650W should be enough by far
quaint topaz
I had 550W but someone told me to futureproof it
rocky trail
ssd?
quaint topaz
Too much. I have a 120gb boot SSD and that's it
quaint topaz
Yes
prime jasper
Yeah, 650W should be enough. What about the Hydro Series™ H150i PRO RGB 360mm Liquid CPU Cooler? :P
quaint topaz
rocky trail
why not to buy from Israeli shop?
quaint topaz
ripoff
quaint topaz
Buying locally is more expensive.
prime jasper
¯_(ツ)_/¯
quaint topaz
@rocky trail I picked the same items on Plonter, Amazon is cheaper by 1000 Shekel ($273.84) lmao
ILS 5159 - Plonter
ILS 4,234.68 - Amazon
quaint topaz
That was total
including VAT
I'm not sure if I have to pay customs in Israel
just DM'd amazon support on twitter
agile rain
I got a code to get 100 off select gsync monitors, I guess for spending 300 on that 1060. Too bad the cheapest of the qualifying monitors is 600
quaint topaz
Amazon covers that during checkout I think @rocky trail
rocky trail
different things have different tax, some things dont, some things do, and it also depends on the cost.
read the article, it might help you
i dont want you to order it and then out of nowhere have to pay even more to tax
quaint topaz
I'm aware of that. Will give Amazon support a call later
rocky trail
good luck man
quaint topaz
Ty
prime jasper
Do you guys still use a discrete sound card or do you use the on-board-sound of your mainboard?
lofty light
Never even had a sound card myself
prime jasper
I use USB devices mostly.
quaint topaz
White build vs Red build vs Blue build
Fight
The mobo I'll get is white
NZXT S340 elite
winged tapir
I am using an internal soundcard not mainboard
turbid verge
I have a white build theme with the s340 elite @quaint topaz
quaint topaz
@turbid verge pic
rocky trail
ssd lives matter (?)
prime jasper
Eww Kingston... Eww not an rgb ssd.
flint locust
got a 1tb samsung ssd and a 240gb m.2 drive don't mind my flex @quaint topaz
quaint topaz
Pic
I might go for the S340 Elite
Not sure what color
Fuck is that picture
Show an actual one
flint locust
would involve me scrolling through my photos
quaint topaz
Yet calls me out for being lazy
Still lazy
Could've found it by the time you took that screenshot and cropped it
flint locust
Reminds me i need to get an extension for that fan on the back of my case since the cable is too short smh
flint locust
S340 i would go for, i have the razer h440, i like matte black so had to get that.
Now i would probably get the S340 but no point in upgrading a case when mine is fine
quaint topaz
Which color
flint locust
Black and red
Looks nice
Black and white is also nice, with the white being inside
quaint topaz
I think it just gets in the way if I wanna actually do RGB
flint locust
i got rgb strips but only on white at the moment, my motherboard has rgb on it
looks alright
Instantly turned off the RGB feature on my power supply.
flint locust
Got the same parts minus the brand of ram and power supply
similar rgb strips too, but got them like 5 years ago
quaint topaz
The case is what's holding me back. Idk what color to get
flint locust
If you just put your OS and one game on it, 120 gb is fine
quaint topaz
Too expensive
flint locust
Not just that everything loads faster on it
quaint topaz
Fuck it
Added a 250GB one
Actually not as expensive as I thought
Now
CASE COLOR
flint locust
matte black goes with anything
flint locust
i have 650, no point in getting anything higher unless you're doing SLI and have a ton of stuff to power
prime jasper
650w is good for mid tier
I had to get a 750w since I have a 1080ti and I wanted to overclock it
750w for ripple protection since I was around 647w and 700w was too low if I wanted to do a custom loop
quaint topaz
What case color should I get
NZXT S340 Elite
And what PSU cable colors?
Kinda lost here
agile rain
rip in peace
quaint topaz
I don't wanna stay on a static color
Would change depending on mood
Not sure how black would look
prime jasper
well black matches everything
white is weird because no one agrees on a white tone
some to creame and soem do eggshell
some do sun baked plastic off yellow
quaint topaz
What about cables
quaint topaz
I don't like EVGA stock ones. No mustard and ketchup appearing but it's like a mesh
Braided cables look really good
But expensive
quaint topaz
Oof
prime jasper
and if you get the wrong type, say good bye to the system
you literally have to match it to the psu or else it will literally fry the system
prime jasper
Hi, sorry to interrupt or cut in , but i need some help!
Im looking to buy a decent computer for bf5 and could really use some guidance.
This is what Im looking at
High / Ultra in 60 fps 1080p.
No need for 4k or something like that.
quaint topaz
@prime jasper budget?
limber salmon
Get a machine with at least a current gen i5 so i5-8600k and a 1070 / 1060
preferably 16Gb of ram
everything else is up to you
rocky trail
yeah i think you will need at least 6 cores, also its more "future proof" than 4 cores anyawy.
rocky trail
battlefield 1 is stuttering on my i5 4590, which is 4 cores.
im replacing that very soon
so yeah, youll need at least 6 for battlefield 5.
limber salmon
I'm not upgrading this summer so I'll keep plaing BF4 is 5 doesn't run well
Hoping for that Battlefront 2 level optimization tho
rocky trail
whats your specs
ahh you need to keep in mind battlefront 2 is a lot different than battlefield.
limber salmon
i5-6600k @4,4Ghz, 1070, 16Gigs of ram
rocky trail
the engine is "cut off". 40 players max, liner maps
limber salmon
yep
rocky trail
no destruction
so its more of, less heavy than optimization
also with your sepcs, why wouldnt battlefield 5 work good?
oh, its 4 cores cpu
limber salmon
Alpha didn't
rocky trail
well its alpha, keep that in mind
limber salmon
barely maintained 60 at some times
rocky trail
stuttering and lags?
rocky trail
yeah, mainly when you play 64 players. good thing that today times 6 cores arent too expensive
limber salmon
true
rocky trail
8th gen i5 is kinda different than previous i5 gens
winged tapir
go i5 in a macbook 
limber salmon
prime jasper
@quaint topaz 8600k is just a 8700k with less threads, and gaming never uses many threads or even threads for that matter because of how complex it is to code x86(AMD) vs x64(intel) architecture for enabling both hyperthreading(intels threads) and infinity threading(AMD threads). The only time the extra threads will be helpful if you are trying to render videos or you stream in very high quality(ie 1080p@60)
@limber salmon My system had problems on the alpha, so it wasnt just your rig.
quaint topaz
My biggest concern is that if Customs will make me pay
prime jasper
well
yeah
youre in Israel?
All I remember is that one of the Admins was from the general area were the british fucked a duck in wwi
@quaint topaz somwhere around $1000-12000
quaint topaz
@prime jasper Israel yes
$12K build 
Ain't touching that let an expert deal with that
quaint topaz
F
prime jasper
1k - 1,2k
quaint topaz
Can easily get a decent build with that
Here's what I wanna get
Total $1K without shipping
rocky trail
@quaint topaz you will most chances have to pay customs.
our state wont give up free money so quickly
prime jasper
want to know how I avoid custom taxes?
quaint topaz
American btw.
rocky trail
no but for real now, this customs exist so people will buy from stores in the state, so its reasonable.
quaint topaz
quaint topaz
Teach your ways
prime jasper
I bribe a politician
prime jasper
No, United Statesian
rocky trail
no thats the UK
prime jasper
America is a continent
prime jasper
Only in the eyes of "americans"
Let me think , 1 k USD would be approximately 7000 in Swedish crowns
quaint topaz
Don't the import fees Amazon makes me pay for cover customs?
rocky trail
no
prime jasper
seriously though just bribe a dude at customs
rocky trail
the customs is different, it has nothing to do with amazon but with our goverment. they basically want people to buy from stores in israel
but if you still want to buy from outside, youll pay customs like they do.
prime jasper
israel have pc stores?
rocky trail
yes, mobile camel stores.
quaint topaz
scuffed stores
prime jasper
I have an image of it just being a bunch of people screaming at a wall and their military kicking citizens in the balls
rocky trail
if you ask me, or find somewhere to call to ask (goverment place?), or buy from israeli store
wait what
why would soldiers kick citizens
prime jasper
because its a police state with forced military service?
quaint topaz
Tech chat btw.
rocky trail
thank you for your input from america, in which state im living in
@quaint topaz buy from israeli store or call the place that deal with customs, they will be able to answer you
prime jasper
what if you hide the pc parts in a shipment of cocaine? That way you wont have to pay the import fees
rocky trail
@quaint topaz is the case that important?
rocky trail
so you meant garbage by tech design and not beauty
rocky trail
do you plan to build it yourself?
quaint topaz
Yes lol
rocky trail
then its possible to buy parts from different places
yes, its a pain in the ass, but possible.
agile rain
So I set up my parents controller so I can easily control my PC from my bed, touchpad comes in handy :p
Ps4, autocorrect why
somber tendon
should i upgrade my i7 4790k + MSI 980 TI to i7 8700k + 1080TI for BF:V
im currently playing bf1 @ 1440p with my i7 4790k + 980 TI
prime jasper
well we might have an idea about when the new line of cards release before bf5 launches
quaint topaz
Is it really worth the upgrade from 2133MHz RAM to 3000MHz?
I currently have 16 GB 2133MHz DDR4
Can get an additional 16GB too
For an i7-8700K
prime jasper
if youre going with 2133hz then you better get an i3
because the patches to fix spectre done fucked lower ram speed
youll notice horrible slow speeds on minimum speed ram
@quaint topaz Check benchmarks
plus if bf5 is as ram hungry as bf1 is, you'll want the faster speeds
There are a lot of gaming benchmarks that prove if it's worth the upgrade or not, with an i7 8700K
prime jasper
Not really, for just gaming
strong breach
There really no need for 32gb yet
prime jasper
you dont need 32gb
It takes what it has. Same with Android
all 32gb will do is slow down your system
quaint topaz
3000MHz then?
quaint topaz
Lemme se
rocky trail
why not just 2400 or 2666
prime jasper
generally they are around the same price
because those arent fast enough
3000 is optimal, as I've read. Like the sweetspot, if you have enough budget
Or wait...
quaint topaz
If RAM wasn't as fucking expensive
rocky trail
3000 is a bit too much
prime jasper
2933 for ryzen
rocky trail
2400-2666 is fine.
prime jasper
If you go higher than 2666, the difference is not worth it. Minimal fps increasement
rocky trail
its not worth the money with Intel
prime jasper
Yeah, cause IPC
2666 on my 8700k will cause windows to take 8 minutes to get past the dashboard
quaint topaz
Is Patriot a good brand?
prime jasper
Lmao, hilarious joke there, @prime jasper
rocky trail
okay man lol
rocky trail
3000 is a waste of money with intel
rocky trail
i guess hes talking about xbox dashboard
prime jasper
hes also planning on doing video creation
quaint topaz
Completely missed my question. Is patroit a good brand?
prime jasper
so 2666 will just be meh
patriot is ok
Why would you run Xbox Dashboard, lmfao
its a budget brand, sometimes its good sometimes is mediocre
prime jasper
On Windows, right?
Im not talking about xbox
Inb4 a ported version of the OS of Xbox 
Im talking about the start screen
Define 'start screen'
🤷🏻
you know after getting past the log in screen
when superfetch is using every single bit of your ssd to load windows
prime jasper
it does
I actually have proof
if you want me to record it I will
on 3200 it takes about 2 minutes for superfetch to unfuck itself after starting up
I have 8GB of DDR3 RAM and never had that issue
And I got that system for fucking 4 years, lol
No issues
are you on windows 10 using an 8700k?
I'm on Windows 10, but no, a lot slower CPU, so yeah, seems a bit weird if a fast CPU would lose it there 🤷🏻
using ddr4 and having to get past the shitty windows updates that are a security fix for spectre?
Come on dude. I've also installed the Spectre and Meltdown updates
But yeah
ddr3 has faster timings than ddr4 also
I know it has a decreasement of different systems
considerably faster
Like inpact
But less bandwidth 🤷🏻
I dont have issues with the 4790k system I have
🤷🏻
I just have issues with lower ram speed on my 8700k systems
this isnt even just mine
its the work rigs also
most of the issue comes from superfetch
Never ever heard of that issue by the way
And i'm pretty well informed when it comes to that (on some forums)
Anywayyyy
I'll go record it here in a minute
I believe you got that problem, but I'm not sure if it's just coincident or not.. I haven't heard about it nor seen it
I believe you. I just don't believe everyone has that
if you want to see how boggeddown it gets
I can pull this up on my work rigs also, same thing
needless to say
he wants to do streaming and video editting
so 3000-3200 is where he wants to be
Heh, earlier I understood he only wanted to game
The fuck
prime jasper
🤷🏻
quaint topaz
Only if there was a service where you can pick parts and see how your PC will end up looking like.
quaint topaz
20USD
quaint topaz
Yeah, no.
rocky trail
¯_(ツ)_/¯
check on your friend list if somebody has it and ask him if he can build one for you and take a pic.
prime jasper
I wouldn't have said ** dude, youre from israel. pirate it ** That doesn't sound nice.
It sounds like labeling a race.
Oof
But eh.
rocky trail
it was a joke
prime jasper
The new i7-9700k coming out is a joke
;-;
8 cores with only 8 threads - and don't forget the hyper threading is not going to be a thing on that i7
like y intel
lmao
lofty light
So it's an i5 but branded as an i7?
somber tendon
i guess the i7 8700k holds strong
prime jasper
@prime jasper got a link? I've only heard rumors and Intel doesn't talk to me directly after I sent letters filled with glitter to their offices with notes that say "ryzen is better"
Totally worth it
prime jasper
Lmao
prime jasper
yea i think 12threads 6cores is better than 8threads 8cores
l
its not
cores are generally better for most users
thought its the as in 4c/8t vs 6c/6t
4c/8t being better
well to be fair the 8600k crushes the 7700k in almost everything including thread heavy tasks
oh damn
no OC on both
and it basically is better on almost everything
single core is only better on the kaby because of its higher base clock
for those who dont know what hyperthreading is
then mix it with https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3I5WNHbnJ0
Mock linus all you want, he's done a lot of good content
sour ivy
I'll take an 8600k
somber tendon
@sour ivy over an i7 8700k?
prime jasper
@somber tendon there is not much of a difference between an 8600k and an 8700k for gaming
prime jasper
so is the 8700k
most CPUs are used 100%
Testing bf1 on both the 8600k and 8700k at an over clock on both of 4.5, there was barely a difference between them
the averages were incredibly similar
deep mountain
I need help with this Morse code. Could u help me?
prime jasper
@undone terrace mine uses 100% on 1440p just like my 8600k, both supplied stable 144hz
@deep mountain try the bfee discord, they will help. We probably wont
undone terrace
@prime jasper with HT on?
undone terrace
I don't understand how yours is 100 percent
Mine is barely hitting more than 50-60
prime jasper
is he using dx12?
undone terrace
And this video neither
undone terrace
Well everyone use dx11 on bf
undone terrace
He has 20 more fps with HT on compared to off
undone terrace
You are at 100% with HT off right?
undone terrace
OK so 100% at 3.8ghz?
prime jasper
yes on both
at 5.0 on both they were around equal
at around 70ish
the 8700k was hotter though
because of HT
but only by 1c or so
winged tapir
Just buy a MacBook with i9
Implemented grill function
For perfect sausages and stakes
prime jasper
he's using an 8700k and turning off threads for it
undone terrace
Wait I'm dumb that's normal at 1440p since you graphic card is bottlenecking harder nevermind
prime jasper
1080ti dont bottleneck that hard
thats at like 80%
also keep this in mind here
I am recording things and streaming
while doing the testing
so my results are extra harsh because of that
winged tapir
You stream 😮
winged tapir
I am always lurking streams 😃
prime jasper
I stream in a plague doctor mask
winged tapir
prime jasper
did you even watch it?
prime jasper
he doesntsay anywhere what settings or clock speeds they are at
undone terrace
Cause 10 bench videos I watched had same results
prime jasper
the two you linked were poorly done
im looking for bench mark videos
most are really bad
undone terrace
I will find a better one but it won't change result
prime jasper
some are testing at base clocks
undone terrace
Why would that guy oc one hard and lave another stock though
prime jasper
no clue
to make the results worse?
a lot of lower tier people will do that
or try to simulate a cpu
sour ivy
Ofc the 8400 gets 100+fps on ultra
And apparently my 6500 cant play at over 70 on medium
rocky trail
6 cores
sour ivy
Does it really make that much of a difference
I feel like theres something wrong with my processor
rocky trail
it makes a difference in some games. battlefield is one of them
prime jasper
will high speed nvme ssd make a difference for windows 10 performance
i already have a 850samsung ssd tho
or gaming
prime jasper
Hello!
Sorry if I interupt anything! I have decided on a new mb, cpu and ram to my computer - will this suffice for a decent gaming computer?
Corsair Vengeance DDR4 RAM 16 GB
Intel Core i5-8400 processor
Z370TOMAHAWK
prime jasper
I would not go below 8600k, and the z370 tomahawk is just a b350 board with z370 written on it
also msi boards tend to not be great with coffee lake since they dont know what a heatsink is and coffeelake likes to make vrms toasty
Ok, what would you recomend as substitute?
8600k and asus z370 strix
Using US prices, basically most boards that are under $150 tend to be not great or just rehashes of the same board
now what country you live in changes things
Someone said to buy 1060 instead of the parts i mentioned, thoughts on that ?
what specs do you have?
you need to update everything ivybridge is about to no longer be supported
So cpu , mb and ram , or gpu as a first pick?
prime jasper
yes
sour ivy
@prime jasper CPU MB and RAM should be top priority
prime jasper
oh yeah @prime jasper
A leak from Intel suggest they're dropping hyperthreading
"Hyperthreading to be a Core i9 exclusive feature"
sour ivy
Why? Gr
prime jasper
As I said before, hyperthreading isnt widely used past professional workloads. 99% of games dont use it and can in a fair bit of situations make performance worse.
prime jasper
True true
white wind
I have a $320 CPU and the sad thing is not one of my programs/games use more than 2 cores
agile rain
I bought one those phone VR headsets the other day and just got it today
Just plan to use it for video watching basically, lol, but only paid like $10 so
flint locust
I have one i got for $5, gave me a headache after 10 minutes
flint locust
Black friday at best buy. Some cheap brand i never heard of
lofty light
Google cardboard?
prime jasper
Is that actually a thing
flint locust
Google cardboard is more expensive than half the ones you can find on ebay
They all do the same thing in the end
prime jasper
Wait wtf Google Cardboard is real
flint locust
yea
prime jasper
I thought it was an april fools thing
flint locust
cardboard vr holder, you have to hold it on your face. No strap
prime jasper
lmao
lofty light
You could probably use the cardboard cupholders from fast food places
rocky trail
Guys, Razer Electra V2 vs HyperX cloud stinger
quartz canopy
HyperX
rocky trail
The Razer electra v2 is virtual 7.1 btw.
quartz canopy
HyperX
lofty light
Logitech G933
rocky trail
thats not what i asked, i asked between these 2 products
rocky trail
again, of course headset that cost 100$ more than both of them will be better.
limber salmon
Idk if I should upgrade or not 
currently on a 6600k at 4,4Ghz
I was thinking of going i7-8700k
and overclocking
I've got a AIO cooler
upgrade would set me back about 500-600€ tho
also there is the possibility to go to an i5-8600k
which would be 100€ cheaper
mortal skiff
Stick with what ya got I would say. It's hardly gonna be a jump in performance as games are still to catch up with the bump in CPU performance lately
prime jasper
Battlefield is meant for console.
If you say otherwise you’re as bad as Jackfrags and Westie
limber salmon
idk @mortal skiff my 6600k is choking pretty badly
rocky trail
you need at least 6 cores 6 threads for battlefield and some other games
i dont see battlefield 5 working so well with 4 cores tbh
limber salmon
I'm just wondering if I should go 6 cores 6 threads or 12 threads + hyper threading for +100€
rocky trail
if you have the money and want to, why not? if you want to spend as less as possible, jsut get the 8600k imo
prime jasper
Just buy a console
rocky trail
8th generation i5 are very good imo
rocky trail
keep in mind youll need to replace Motherboard but i guess you know that
limber salmon
yeah I know
prime jasper
Then buy a 4K monitor and have steady 50 FPS for the rest of the consoles life instead of blowing 1,000 on something that’ll be out dated by the time it ships to your house
mortal skiff
Gen 1 ryzen 5's go for fairly cheap if you want an upgrade (playing 4)
prime jasper
Y’all nerds I’m out
rocky trail
r5 is good, but you need to keep in mind intel is better for gaming overall becuase of faster single core speed
limber salmon
yep
rocky trail
@prime jasper you really have no idea what you are talking about
6 cores is more "future proof" than 4 cores anyway
what GPU do you have
limber salmon
Reference 1070
rocky trail
thats a good card
limber salmon
tho with the i7 I'd be set for a while
rocky trail
12 threads, its of course better but still 6 cores
limber salmon
cause hyper threading and double the threads
prime jasper
@rocky trail I do tho, you’re just wasting your money on unnecessary things
rocky trail
@prime jasper let people waste their money while you dont
whats the problem?
dont tell people what to do with their money
he wanted an advice about cpu, just keep on saying oh console is this and that does not help.
limber salmon
tho would my 550W psu be enough
prime jasper
@rocky trail You just could be doing better things, cough cough invest in apple stocks
mortal skiff
@limber salmon I run a 1080 on a 650w, ya should be good
limber salmon
yeah
rocky trail
if its good psu brand i dont think youll have much problem
rocky trail
nice
rocky trail
PSU?
rocky trail
imo just stick with what you have until it will go rip
strong breach
that's neat-o 👌
limber salmon
oof discord downgrades the quality a lot
rocky trail
you will need to replace your ram too no?
mortal skiff
Cable management is less important than one might think airflow wise
strong breach
yeah it does
rocky trail
its just nicer
limber salmon
I've got some pretty good airflow going on 
limber salmon
I just cleaned my pc up and there is little to no dust inside
mortal skiff
Linus tech tips (Luke) did a test to see how cable management affected thermals
He basically filled the case full of boxes before it did anything major
rocky trail
overall its just nicer
limber salmon
should prolly get a M.2 SSD too
mortal skiff
But a well managed case always gets my +1
limber salmon
those things aren't that expensive afaik
rocky trail
check if you will need to replace your ram, unless you are thinking to stay with 2133
if im not wrong its the maximum 6600 could get?
i might be wrong
limber salmon
I've got 2400mhz
rocky trail
my bad then
limber salmon
no need to upgrade that
rocky trail
i thought 6600 is limited to 2133
mortal skiff
1600 with a 3.8 oc stock voltage
rocky trail
did you notice a change for the better?
more fps and so on?
since the r5 really need high ram speed
mortal skiff
Considering I disabled the pagefile the better speed really made a difference
More so in single thread games due to the low 3.8
rocky trail
yeah also not as high effective single core speed as the new intel cpus
which is sad, i wish amd will work on that a little
at least you wont need to replace your entire pc if youll want to update to a newer r5
mortal skiff
mortal skiff
It's more power than I actually need :/
rocky trail
there is no such thing, if you dont need it now, youll need it in a year or 2
so its always good to have that extra power
mortal skiff
True, shame my screens don't match the rig
rocky trail
60hz 1080?
mortal skiff
2 TV's from 2007
mortal skiff
1920x1080 and 1920x1200
rocky trail
get 1400hz 1080p at least, theyre pretty cheap nowdays
and at least you will enjoy your rig and have high fps
rocky trail
2k - 1440p?
mortal skiff
Yeah
rocky trail
yes they are, mainly becuase of the g-sync
1440 is really nice
mainly when you can get that with kinda high fps
mortal skiff
One can dream tho, not had a solid income for a while now so screens are off the table for me
rocky trail
its okay, at least you got something. you can always upgrade in the future.
mortal skiff
Indeed, top of my list for new parts is fans
Been using the same factory case ones for over 5 years now
Back when I had a 2gb 960 hehe
prime jasper
@mortal skiff http://www.microcenter.com/product/478859/xf270hu-27-wqhd-144hz-dvi-hdmi-dp-freesync-gaming-led-monitor
They can get pretty cheap without g-sync
because g-sync along adds at least $200
mortal skiff
g = 200% markup I know xD
prime jasper
That monitor I linked is actually a great monitor. 1440p 144hz IPS panel with some of the fastest response times on the market.
mortal skiff
@prime jasper I been looking at this one recently, just hoping the price comes down a bit https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B01KZIOSSQ/?tag=pcp0f-21
prime jasper
Those drop to around $400 usb all the time, only reason why people buy them
but
you get what you pay for
the panel is trash and even properly calibrated its washed out
the input lag is atrocious
prime jasper
yeah thats pretty bad
sour ivy
@prime jasper is an upgrade from my i5 6500 to an i5 8400 worth it
quaint topaz
Will the NZXT Kraken x52 be able to actually cool an i7-8700k?
sour ivy
ik
rocky trail
whats your gpu
sour ivy
Are you asking me
rocky trail
about the gpu, yes
rocky trail
of course
sour ivy
You should get a 6gb te
prime jasper
@rocky trail 6gb, the 3gb actually has lower specs all around not just vram
@sour ivy if its not a K model I always say, be prepared to upgrade in a few years because non-Ks arnet easily overclocked
@quaint topaz Technically anything can cool it
quaint topaz
But would it perform let's say better than the h100i
sour ivy
I wasn't planning on overclocking it
But it's still worth the upgrade, a 6500 to a 8400?
prime jasper
@quaint topaz https://www.gamersnexus.net/hwreviews/2662-nzxt-kraken-x52-x62-x42-review-and-benchmarks-noise-temp?showall=1
prime jasper
I do not deal in parts that low end for gaming PCs so I have no data on them for those uses
prime jasper
Yes, but for $70~ more you get something substantially better, I dont mean just the overclocking ability
sour ivy
I'm tight on money rn
prime jasper
then save your money for something that will last longer
rocky trail
gaming doesnt use the base clock tho?
prime jasper
and you cant get it higher without "hacking" the chip and bios
sour ivy
I was thinking of getting an 8500 instead because rn its only 10 dollars more
prime jasper
Gaming does use the base clock
rocky trail
it has 4.0 single core speed when gaming.
sour ivy
I'm just asking if the motherboard i just linked would be better
rocky trail
Intel Turbo Boost is Intel's trade name for a feature that automatically raises certain of its processors' operating frequency, and thus performance, when demanding tasks are running
aka - games
rocky trail
it will run when the cpu will think it should use its turbo boost
sour ivy
so the msi board is better?
prime jasper
My experience and the reason why I always say go for something slightly higher end to something like the 8400 is because it will have constant frame jitters because it will keep boosting to 4.0 then jump back to 2.8
because how intel has the safety set up in them
because a stock cooler will not cool off an 8400 at 4.0
we are also talking about someone who is trying to buy a cheap mobo and will not have a cooler that can support coffee lake
His best bet is to save and get something good
not to mention the 8350k is slightly better for gaming and its way easier to cool since its a quad core and effectively is a lower power consuming 7600k with a tiny bit extra on performance
sour ivy
@prime jasper http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i5-8500-vs-Intel-Core-i3-8350K/m447884vs3935
???
prime oak
awd
sour ivy
?
wat
@prime jasper so should i be getting the i3 and then get a better mobo and water cooler?
prime jasper
You need to get a lot of new stuff
lets leave it at that
cheap water coolers arent that great
Cheap+good air coolers wont fit into your case
h7 should cool the 8350k enough
but
still
sour ivy
ok
sour ivy
none of the intel processors are even in stock on amazon anymore lmao @prime jasper
prime jasper
why bother even using amazon to buy stuff when newegg exists?
sour ivy
true
lone mesa
Is the xbox one X enhanced patch only available for people who has 4k tv?
sour ivy
battlefield in 4k on the xbox lmao
prime jasper
@lone mesa Yes, you need a 4k TV to play in 4k. Just keep in mind it is not 4k@60fps, it's around 30 fps
sour ivy
@prime jasper so even though the 8350k has less cores its still better than the 8500?
prime jasper
you will not have the multicore performance, so no
mortal skiff
You could also get a ryzen
prime jasper
8350k out performs ryzen 1700 on a ton of games
prime jasper
because it;s a 4 core 4 thread, its easier to cool
sour ivy
ok
and it will run battlefield a lot better than my i5 6500?
sorry for all these questions bro
nvm its 30% faster at base clock LMAO
lone mesa
@prime jasper but my xbox still downloads the forza 7 enhanced patch tho
sour ivy
so youd want to sacrifice half of your fps for 4k upscaling?
that doesn't seem worth it
prime jasper
@lone mesa Yes
Believe it or not, a lot of people prefer graphics over frames since they think graphics are vastly more important
prime jasper
I dont get asked "can this drive 144 fps+ on ultra" I get asked can this play games in 4k?"
mortal skiff
4k is great if you care about AA not doing enough but other than that I don't see the big need for more than 2k
prime jasper
I have a 4k 144hz monitor
which is technically 4k 120hz because there isnt a standard that can drive 4k144
yet
cant really tell a difference between that and my 2k monitor
mortal skiff
That and 4k 120+ needs SLI
prime jasper
I have voltas
mortal skiff
Unless it's war thunder
prime jasper
The only reason why I use that monitor at work is because its flashy
Same reason why the front desk has one pure RGB cancer rig and the other is UV reacting
prime jasper
my monitor says optimal res is 120hz 1080p
but im running it 144hz 1080p
does it actually matter what the optimal says
its 144hz but it says optimal is 120hz
prime jasper
theres literally no changes in bf4
quaint topaz
$1,310 total with fees and shipping
Gave up on the SSD
Will probably upgrade later with a new monitor
lofty light
You've got a little SSD ATM don't you?
quaint topaz
SanDisk 120gb
white wind
Put your OS on it at least
I have mine on a SSD right now, and I have like 10ish second boot up times, its nice
Also
You don't need that cooler
Thats hella expensive when you could get a Ryzen 2700x for $320 that comes with a stock cooler thats nice, & RGB
Also, you already have a GPU? Or you are buying one but it didn't fit in the screenshot? @quaint topaz
white wind
Hmm ok, I was worried for a sec 
quaint topaz
I'm planning to OC a bit
white wind
Oh yeah, wraith spire on the 2700x isn't good enough to OC, sadly
Or any stock coolers in general
quaint topaz
I wanted to go for the corsair h100i but figured the kraken x62 is better
white wind
Yeah, I've seen a lot of people & friends going for the Kraken, I was going to get it myself, but I figured that was $180 better spent elsewhere, for my budget
quaint topaz
Guess I'll go for that
Would you make any changes?
SSD and monitor will get them later
white wind
Not really, no, it looks like a solid build, & there shouldn't be any issues with bottle necking
I didn't look to see if everything was compatible though, if you meant that
quaint topaz
They good
glossy cove
Hey, Does anyone have a solid source on when the new Nvidia GPU are announced?
prime jasper
Unfortunately not, but rumors say they will be announced on 20th August. However so far it is still a rumor so no solid proof at all. Also rumors say that the 1160 will start at 500$, the 1170 at 600$ and the 1180 at 700-750$ so quite a high up price.
glossy cove
Is AMD still going to be releasing their own GPUs?
prime jasper
they are however there is nothing competitive expected on the high-end sector
glossy cove
My 1060 ain't holding up anymore
prime jasper
Navi is expected to be on 1080 level
glossy cove
Navi?
strong breach
I hope AMD keeps doing new GPUs would be bad if nvidia didnt have any competition
prime jasper
Navi is the next GPU generation of AMD
prime jasper
If you live in Germany you can get your hands on a Vega 64 at a price of 500€ at the mometn so it would be cheaper than a 1080 at the moment
prime jasper
I rather stick to my 1440p 144Hz
refresh rate is more important than the resolution in my opinion
strong breach
Yeah same
prime jasper
especially for shooters like Battlefield
glossy cove
Yeah I know, I have this 4K IPS monitor mostly for video/photography purposes but I'm also quite a casual gamer so I don't need nice gaming monitors
prime jasper
60 fps for me do not look smooth
glossy cove
But games do look nice on 4K I must say
prime jasper
however everyone is diffent regarding that
strong breach
Oh yeah 4k is nice for anything not gaming and even gaming if you have a beast of a pc
144hz 4k monitors though are rare
well not rare just expensive
prime jasper
however if you can afford such a monitor you should definitely be able to afford a nice GPU 😄
talking about the 4k 144Hz
otherwise you would be better off buying the best 1440p 144Hz monitor and a gtx 1080ti
glossy cove
I just need Nvidia or AMD to release a 12GB GPU for 500e this coming fall and I'm happy
But I bet it's not going to happen with their new ones
prime jasper
I am not very hopeful regarding this to happen
Nvidia wants to sell their redundant Pascals at first anyway
glossy cove
Is bitcoin still a thing
prime jasper
not for GPUs any more at least not for the current gen of GPUs
that is why Nvidia suddenly has so many excess Pascals
prime jasper
@glossy cove Quadro GV100 has 32gb is hbm2 buy that instead. And yes bitcoin is still a thing but that never affected pc prices, other types of cryptocurrency did.
quaint topaz
@rocky trail
Yes, the Import Fees Deposit will cover the Israeli customs for your order.
Orders that are shipped to countries outside the U.S. may be subject to import taxes, customs duties, and fees charged by the destination country customs authorities. Amazon Export Sales will estimate and collect an import fee deposit to certain destination countries. These funds will be used by the carrier or another agent to pay the import fees on your behalf to the appropriate authorities when your package reaches its destination country. The estimated import fee deposit will be displayed in the cost summary on the last page of our online order form, just before you place your order.
Whenever the actual import fee deposit collected is less than we estimated, we'll automatically issue a refund for the difference.
don't but locally.
rocky trail
very nice
quaint topaz
Way cheaper wtf
rocky trail
how long shipment tho
rocky trail
so the price you pay amazon includes that 200$?
rocky trail
arent they building a warehouse in israel too?
rocky trail
what about warranty?
rocky trail
@sour ivy mazal tov!
sour ivy
Thanks bro
rocky trail
and yes its supposed to
sour ivy
Did some research and I think thos CPU is the one for me
Once I get more money I'll get a water cooler and overclock the bad boi but the stock coolers I heard are really good for non overclocked
And ima get 8 more gbs of ram
Mofo 90 dollars for something that costed me 30 3 years ago
quaint topaz
RAM is crazy expensive.
rocky trail
true. i feel like it used to cheaper
quaint topaz
It was
prime jasper
@sour ivy better return that ram, it's not supported by ryzen most likely. also ryzen requires fast ram or else it bottlenecks and will crash games
Ryzen has tons of ram incompatibility issues, then you have to match mobo compatibility to the ram.
Intel's hidden costs are higher end coolers
AMDs is ram speed