battlefield-legacy-titles

[prime pine]

Yeah

In OCE even

[wheat willow]

how many people?

[prime pine]

Full

You know, as rare as it is. I love the mood for final stand on how its brought in

[glossy rune]

Hell yeah Waygy!

[prime pine]

"We know you're hungry, tired and almost out of ammo but please finish this off"

Ye?

!

[vapid shell]

Hey everyone, I have not played battlefield 5 since about July, has the meta changed much? Are the pacific maps still around? Please let me know of any major changes, thanks.

[wheat willow]

@prime pinecould I get the server name? I'll hop in

[glossy rune]

Og course pacific maps are still around. @vapid shell they are in the bigger conquest rotation

[vapid shell]

And meta weapons are still strum and 2a?

any buffs or nerfs?

[glossy rune]

2A is still great in CQB cause how could it not be lol. I still prefer the ZK383 and Type 100 and grease gun

there is no real meta

you can be effective with everything

[vapid shell]

alright

anything new

at all

[glossy rune]

Did you play El Marj encapment?

[vapid shell]

probably not

[glossy rune]

It came out this summer

[vapid shell]

last thing a remember was week 7 of the pacific trail of war battle pass thing

[glossy rune]

its infantry only and it actually has 4 or 5 flags depending on RNG

[vapid shell]

oh ok

is it DLC?

[icy sluice]

Completely free

[vapid shell]

alright cool

[glossy rune]

Everything in BFV is free

[vapid shell]

thats shocking

EA

[glossy rune]

not really

[vapid shell]

anyway thanks raptor and steve

huge help

ily

[glossy rune]

🙂

[prime pine]

@wheat willow just look in Oce Servers

[mighty fjord]

🙂

[prime pine]

Finally I can use a paratrooper in airborne

[tribal cairn]

Are there even any airborne servers?

[glossy rune]

Sometimes there are Grand Ops

[wheat willow]

Alright thanks @prime pine

[amber pine]

Haven't played grand ops for several months

[icy sluice]

Sometimes the Ops are just too Grand

[amber pine]

Fortunately, my connection to OCE servers is quite good, unfortunately I'm not at home atm

[rich spindle]

BFV or BF4?

[grizzled thistle]

T

[prime pine]

It feels so good grabbing a tank and sorta just

Making a difference

[solid hinge]

i love that feeling on pacific storm as misaki

stealing a sherman from as it spawns on enemy objective and reeking havoc

[placid mural]

cool

[prime pine]

Its easy to rack hundy bombs in grand ops, but that being said it still feels good

[wheat willow]

My god does it feel so good be in a plane in BFV

[amber pine]

Lol

[solid hinge]

night fighter op

[eternal breach]

Penguin go play BF4 it's worth of your time

[amber pine]

Haven't got the chance to level it up

Bf 109s taking me down fast

[solid hinge]

planes shouldnt be able to one shot tanks tbh

literally as soon as i spawn i get insta took out by a plane that doesnt even have to come down to low

[queen canopy]

Infantry shouldn’t be able to oneshot planes either but here we are

[eternal breach]

I usually able to take down those plane using AA tank since they can be annoying and pissed off other players....

[amber pine]

Sometimes I just hunt AA tanks

[solid hinge]

infantry cant one shot

planes

[eternal breach]

If the teammates took the AA tank I'll just use the stinger don't cry about using the stinger, if the player hasn't use it let them use it.

[tight rain]

I think the mg42 should one tap any plane

For balancing reasons of course

[solid hinge]

im for anything that ruins pilots fun

[amber pine]

Well duck you too

Jk jk jk

🦆

[solid hinge]

duck me

😡

[eternal breach]

I think they should bring some of the gadgets from bad company 2 like I forgot the name of the pistol where you fire at the target and rocket launcher will start like a heat seeking missile to hit the target.

[amber pine]

Bf1 planes though

Can literally turn off the engine

[queen canopy]

@solid hinge infantry can one shot planes, the fliegerfaust does 110 damage to fighters unless they nerfed it in the last update, which I don’t think they did

[solid hinge]

i only did 40 to one with a direct hit

even if it was just me goofing, using fliegerfaust is pretty dang hard vs just farming

[queen canopy]

That’s probably because you missed

Fliegerfaust really doesn’t take much skill at all, especially if they fly straight over you at low altitude. It’s not that difficult to hit at higher altitudes with a little practice either, meaning “just stay high lol” doesn’t mean shit to 600m of range. Also, most planes are only really effective at low altitude right now so it’s basically lose-lose

[solid hinge]

i assume no one uses it for a reason

even if it being i just suck at using, my og point still stand

[eternal breach]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nteDP62uWcw If you want to one shot a jet plane just watch this guys.

[queen canopy]

You say no one uses it, but I see at least one being used consistently 2 out of every 3 matches (That have planes).

[pearl radish]

Ok i cant be the only person who used to watch them https://youtu.be/D2f9ocLSnuU

[eternal breach]

Battlefield friends sometimes I rewatch their shows and I can't believe they couldn't make a new show IDK what happened.

[pearl radish]

Yes they could of but who knows what happened and who was your favorite?

[eternal breach]

Engineer because he goes ape shit when he picks up a badass weapon

[pearl radish]

Oh thats so true

https://youtu.be/D2f9ocLSnuU?t=230 Well heres a part where engineer goes hams on a gun he picked up

[eternal breach]

Yup I remember and he did went ape shit on the rail gun episode and started hissing like cat with medic who also went ape shit on the rail gun and started barking like a dog.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptQeKZrfrek&t=1s This one

[pearl radish]

F in chat for the enemies

Lol Stop looking at it

[placid mural]

what does f do?

[opaque egret]

F for farting

[placid mural]

lol

[remote mauve]

Hello

Someone here

[scenic beacon]

Hiya

[remote mauve]

Who played the game

https://www.nvidia.com/Download/index.aspx?lang=en-us

[amber pine]

Played what game?

[remote mauve]

I think Battlefield or cod war

I've played Battlefield 4 for the first time my level has cross to 78 with my friends squads

[amber pine]

Nice

[remote mauve]

At steam and PlayStation also

And my last 2013

[prime pine]

Why does the game switch you up mid game during grand ops

Whatever

[placid mural]

what do you mean?

[prime pine]

During the intermission period

The game will assign to the winning/losing side

[opaque egret]

Man are they announcing the new battlefield in march?

[brave coral]

yes marketing will likely start around that time

[wide goblet]

Slrs are overpowered in Hardcore

[placid mural]

yes

[wide goblet]

I’m in a hardcore match and the entire enemy team is recon

I am not making this up

[solid hinge]

is their any point of having the f2000 in bf4?

ive looked at the stats of the aek 971 and it just looks like an upgrade to the F2000

[solid hinge]

lets goooooo!

[weary isle]

Have you compared them on sym.gg usually there is atleast one difference

[solid hinge]

well

no

but i will hold on

[weary isle]

[solid hinge]

where is the bf4 data?

[weary isle]

Idk I don’t play that one

[solid hinge]

oh ok

[weary isle]

But that’s where I go for bf1 ans5

[solid hinge]

bruh it doesnt have bf4 lmao

[weary isle]

It’s a sign... time to switch to bf5

[solid hinge]

nah

i dont like ww2 that much anymore

otherwise i would have got V

[weary isle]

It’s there I just checked

Click other titles in the top

[solid hinge]

oh ok

thx

hmm

yeah

[prime pine]

Interesting thing I found out about grand ops

[solid hinge]

basically just confirmed my suspicions

[weary isle]

F2000 has better spread and recoil... and bullet velocity by a bit than the aek 971

I’d probably prefer that

[prime pine]

On rotterdam, the tank respawns quicker on grand ops comparatively to breakthrough

[weary isle]

Rotted ham

[solid hinge]

reaally? which bit of the data did u look at?

[weary isle]

All of it on the weapon comparison

[sour stratus]

Why would you play grand ops in the first place

[weary isle]

Do weapon comparison @solid hinge not weapon charts

[solid hinge]

oh ok

[weary isle]

To me f2000 looks better for my play style. I prefer control

[solid hinge]

aek seems to have better reload time but F2000 has better right and vertical ADS recoil

[weary isle]

And less spread

And faster moving bullets which matters at long distances

[solid hinge]

yeah

[weary isle]

If you like to engage up close aek would be better

[solid hinge]

AEK seems to have less time to kill but i dont think it will matter

[weary isle]

Depends how you play

[solid hinge]

yeah thats generally agreed in the community

[weary isle]

Yea ttk doesn’t consider spread and recoil

So it’s way off in actuality at distance

Only helps to make a decision up close

[solid hinge]

oh ok

so operation locker (close range map) use AEK, Siege of Shanghai (longer range map) use the F2000

medium range im using m416 anyway so

lol

[wide goblet]

Slr users on hardcore are annoying af

[solid hinge]

ZH 29 😳

[wide goblet]

Yeah some guy went 120 15 with that

[solid hinge]

damn

sounds like BF4 LAV players

[wide goblet]

This is why slrs are usually banned

[solid hinge]

2 shot kill at any range

nice balancing dice

[wide goblet]

On Hardcore, it’s 1 shot any range

[solid hinge]

[solid hinge]

🅱️ ruh

[wide goblet]

Sorry for being super salty but

[solid hinge]

nah

it fine

venting your rage at virtual problems on discord is healthy for you

better to do it here than in real life lol

[wide goblet]

It’s so dumb, on how slrs qork

[solid hinge]

qork

[wide goblet]

It’s like no skill in it

[solid hinge]

bf4 vehicle users would like to have a word with you

no skill lmao

[prime pine]

Slrs are bullshit indeed

In the saying of that

[eternal nimbus]

Has anyone figure out the Eidolon Easter egg yet?

[prime pine]

The rsc and the model 8 are the better balanced ones

Not yet

[eternal nimbus]

How do you get the challenge to pop up?

[gray saffron]

I banned slrs on my hardcore server 🙂

[prime pine]

Good shit

[gray saffron]

like waygyanba said, they haven't figured it out yet

you gotta wait till the easter egg people figure out how to get eidolon

[prime pine]

I wish personally you could choose whats banned

No zh or 1906 but yes to rsc or model 8

[gray saffron]

yeah

[eternal nimbus]

People have already got into the challenge they just don't know what to do I heard

[gray saffron]

i miss my rsc

[prime pine]

The rsc is a nice niche pick isnt it jer

[gray saffron]

yeap

but looking reload tho

[prime pine]

it just works

Haha

How are you

[gray saffron]

cold

you?

[prime pine]

Boiling

[gray saffron]

wtf

share your heat with me

[prime pine]

Its a really warm day today

[wide goblet]

99% of my deaths are ZH

[prime pine]

Wear a jumper

[gray saffron]

:<

btw

what's that emote from?

[prime pine]

R/pokemon

[gray saffron]

yeah but what isit? 😄

[prime pine]

Its a shiny flygon with a knife

[wide goblet]

My team is complaining that the US pacific has no anti aircraft tanks,
Me an intellectual: LVT AA build

[gray saffron]

oh god, google shows me rule 34 versions

[prime pine]

Good god

[sour stratus]

[gray saffron]

haha exactly, lin

usa in pacific kinda has hybrid tanks. they serve multipurposes based on what you built

[prime pine]

Theyre annoying to use

[viral pebble]

good

[sour stratus]

The Lvt is made out of paper

[wide goblet]

And the AA guns work just as good on infantry XD

Cause infantry are just soft planes

Ugh my team keeps using their tanks when I am trying to grab a AA tank to help with the planes

And they keep complaining planes are Op

More pike dumb teammates

How come Battlefield never added a Vehicle spawn countdown timer

[crude wagon]

Bro i absolutely love the AA guns

A bit difficult at first

But once you get the hand of it, its just absolute trolling after that

[prime pine]

The power bonus versus fighters is too much

Thanks dice for giving the power boost against a type of plane thats barely a problem

[wide goblet]

I think I should make a Core swrver but with damage at 125

[olive palm]

I’m a god at battlefield 😂😂😂

[gray glade]

doubt

[olive palm]

😂

[gray glade]

😄

[wide goblet]

Yeah I’m making my damage at 125 cause in 200 damage games, why use anything but an slr

If I see someone call themselves god and they are using an slr, I’m gonna be smh

Damn top guy has 200 kills on the enemy team

Totally balanced

[gray saffron]

@prime pine plungers kill teammates in hardcore :3

[wide goblet]

The ZH users are just

.....

Aids

[worldly lichen]

Yo um

I just knifed an entire squad

In battlefield 3

And they didn't notice

It was at that one grey map with the mosque and the market

[gray glade]

snipers?

[prime pine]

@gray saffron everything does!

[gray saffron]

yeah

but with plungers it's funny

[prime pine]

You can straight up execute teammates by doming them with the revolver

[brave coral]

recreate the mw2 betrayal by reviving a squadmate then pulling the m27 on them

[prime pine]

LOL

[wide goblet]

Good, that’s one less loose end

[prime pine]

No, shoot them right as they run out of the artillery barrage

But damn dr thats cold

[scenic beacon]

already done that with some buddies of mine lmfao

mac was there

[brave coral]

could you farm score by just locking someone in a loop of revive-kill-revive-kill lol

[wide goblet]

I wonder if anyone did the One shot one kill mission from COD4

With the Panzerbusche

[gray saffron]

there was a panzerbusche in cod4?

[prime pine]

They kick you if you hit the limit of team kills

[wide goblet]

No like recreate the scene in BFV

[prime pine]

The bartet

Barret

[gray saffron]

one shot one kill is the chernobyl mission right?

[brave coral]

ye

[wide goblet]

Yeah when you assassinate Imran Zakeheav

[prime pine]

Recreate the panic that was created with all the soldiers sliding away

[gray saffron]

everytiem im sniper i pretend im price

[wide goblet]

Oh and make sure the snipers have the ghillie cosmetics

That would be great

[upper shadow]

I saw a lot of people complaining about the bf5 final update

[prime pine]

Recreate the scene in bfh and play as the criminals, so when you get the kill they say bing bong got yo ass

[gray saffron]

when did people not complain

wake island came out, people complained xd

[wide goblet]

Well with community games now, I hope some people can make some interesting cinematic

[upper shadow]

They wanted more maps I think

[gray saffron]

we had more maps since chapter 4 in every update

[upper shadow]

Personally never played bf5 getting it tomorrow but people say its rushed

[prime pine]

Battlefest to 5.0 was the best for battlefield in my experience

[gray saffron]

eh, you'll find out it's not as bad as people say it is

it's pretty packed with content now

[upper shadow]

I think a lot of people wanted Battles of Kursk, Stalingrad, and Moscow

[gray saffron]

and doesnt feel as rushed as it did at launch

[prime pine]

Yeah the eastern front would have been a thing to look forward to

[upper shadow]

Kinda sucks though they are doing a final update

Isnt it only cosmetics

[prime pine]

In my opinion. I think the reason why they dropped bf5 like this was because of the negativity throughout its life cycle.

[gray saffron]

im glad bfv focused on the early war stuff and less known stuff. we've seen omaha beach in so many other titles already

[prime pine]

If the press was better, if dice treated their game better. I bet we would have seen the eastern front by now.

[upper shadow]

I think they should add one more month of updates

And it would help them finish this game

[prime pine]

If they never tried to change up the game balance and instead tweaked the weaker weapons to be better I can imagine the community would be happier with the game

[upper shadow]

Though but with them having a final update it can let them spend more time developing bf6

[prime pine]

Yeah

[upper shadow]

I just hope its some what modern themed

But it will prob be the cold war

[weary isle]

I preferred bf1

[gray saffron]

the ttk changes were kinda extreme and something you could expect in an early acces title

not a full launch title

[weary isle]

We already have a billion modern themed shooters

[upper shadow]

bf1 is like the only older themed game I enjoyed

The graphics in bf1

Are crazy

I honestly feel like they're better then bf5

[sour stratus]

I see both games the same

[weary isle]

It’s better overall

Gameplay wise

[lofty lily]

Hello all I hope you are doing well, I got a question for BF1 PC-> whick weapon to use as Support?

[upper shadow]

bf1 > bf5 just because it wasnt rushed

[weary isle]

Graphics I don’t pay attention to

[gray saffron]

bf1 has terrrrible gameplay tho

[weary isle]

Benet mercie , or mg15 or chauchat

@lofty lily

[sour stratus]

Hm yes random bullet deviation

Gud gameplay

[weary isle]

Bf5 has spread too

[gray saffron]

i was watching a youtuber play it recently again and he pretty much had his crosshair on a guy and still missed a ton of his shots and died

due that shitty bullet deviation mechanic

[weary isle]

Spread is random

[upper shadow]

New badcompany would be cool

[lofty lily]

BF1 is top noch.. only aimboters and wall hackers are bullshit but they can be avoided

[upper shadow]

I wonder if the new bf will be a bad company

[sour stratus]

It's literally impossible to aim with a med semi at long range

[prime pine]

It has spread yeah but the spread is so small that it's negligible

In bf5

[weary isle]

Nah there were tons of good snipers in bf1

[prime pine]

In bf1 its way more punishing

[lofty lily]

Which sniper do you use guys? I like Russian one

[sour stratus]

Springfield

[prime pine]

The Russian 1895 trench baby

Good for aggro recon

[weary isle]

Mg15

[upper shadow]

bf4 sniping is the best hands down

[prime pine]

Thing was pretty much an assault rifle, darf,

Middle ground

Everything

[weary isle]

Lol yea I’m jk

I don’t snipe

It’s too boring to me

[prime pine]

I snipe with the bren

[weary isle]

I like being on the objective

[sour stratus]

I snipe with the drilling

[hearty sigil]

Could someone please do me a favor and save me from downloading 90 gigs lol. Could someone please check if the Africa servers for either BFV or BF1 populated at all?

I'd much appreciate

[prime pine]

I dont think there are any African servers

Cause dice shut them down

[hearty sigil]

Ah jeez

[gray saffron]

bfv's sniping on hardcore is sweet :3

[solid carbon]

Not this weekend

[prime pine]

Yo jer play with the bren on hardcore

Im curious how it does there

[gray saffron]

it's great

already running with it

bren is fren

[prime pine]

Yeahhh fucking boy

Things basically a laser

I love it

By the way guess what jer

[solid carbon]

He gone

[prime pine]

Yep...

[gray saffron]

who's gone?

[solid carbon]

[gray saffron]

and yeah, this weekend no snipes allowed on my server haha

[hearty sigil]

Is there a website to see the servers and their populations for either BFV or BF1? Couldn't find any. Seems a waste of time to download 90 gigs just to see the servers

[gray saffron]

battlelog for bf4

[solid carbon]

Breakthrough is gonna be much better

[placid mural]

yes

[solid hinge]

Just get it downloaded through night

[prime pine]

@gray saffron i hit the 2 kpm for my bar

[solid hinge]

Bf1 is still kinda alive in Europe and NA

But in OCN and Asia its dead

[prime pine]

Now I have to get 20k worth of kills for my bren boi

[upper shadow]

When can I send links

Its a clip

[gray saffron]

server is already up, @solid carbon ;D

[solid carbon]

Nice

[gray saffron]

but sitll fairly empty 😦

[solid carbon]

Its still kinda early in EU so we gotta wait

[gray saffron]

yeap

[prime pine]

German versus dutchman

[solid carbon]

But its good that your server is full everyday

[sour stratus]

Where I have seen that before

[gray saffron]

true

haha

[prime pine]

Wait im sorry what's this? A community server actually full?

Holy fuck

[gray saffron]

4 days in a row streak!

[solid hinge]

Jer can i get id

[prime pine]

I wish servers with that were as popular over here

[gray saffron]

yeah

[prime pine]

Jer is pc

[gray saffron]

😦

[solid hinge]

Jer can i get the #

[solid carbon]

People will come back if you have good server settings

And no badmin

[prime pine]

The problem is actually getting them to fill

[gray saffron]

ww2 in order | hardcore (event) is the name on community server browser, dickmove

[solid hinge]

Ok i might check it out, eu right?

[prime pine]

Do note. Jer is EU. Your connection won't be good.

[solid carbon]

Yes

[gray saffron]

yeah, it's why i kinda builda discord and promote it on the server. make people join, send announcements that it's live ;D or just get friend requests from people and invite them tthat way

[solid hinge]

Yea its only 200 ms

[gray saffron]

yeah eu 🙂

[solid hinge]

Still playable

[prime pine]

Its 300 ms between Europe and OCE

[solid carbon]

Only 200

[prime pine]

Guess with the UK it'd be 300

[solid hinge]

I gor like 267 to 289

[prime pine]

Thats pretty close

[solid hinge]

Most of them are German servers

Wait are community games dedicated servers or hosted on you network?

I played a hardcore community in Aus and the connection are just piss poor

[gray saffron]

hosted by dice

int he closest region of the server thingy

[solid hinge]

I always get terrible connection on community games

[gray saffron]

so for me that'd be a german based server

[solid hinge]

Some sort like bugs or something

[prime pine]

By the way jer

I played some grand ops today

Its so weird playing it again

[solid hinge]

You must be lucky af to find one grand ops server

[prime pine]

It was full at first

But then it sorta died

[solid hinge]

Why do people hate grand ops though

They used to love it back in bf1

[prime pine]

Cause on bf5 its just a moshpit of game modes

Which sounds nice but its really badly done.

[solid hinge]

Final stand are pretty fun

[prime pine]

"Oh we won this battle but we have to retreat anyways" cause that makes sense,

[solid hinge]

Even launch maps dont have operation mode built in mind

Thats shitty since that is the only way i could get 100 kills

[gray saffron]

yeah

it makes no sense imo

it's just a random bunch of modes that never changes

if it changed it could be neat

[eternal nimbus]

I can never find servers with good player count in the serve browser but whenever a friend's does it they seem to look through 10-20 close to full game server

[sour stratus]

Server browser

[eternal nimbus]

Yeah there only ever 2-3 on there for me though, and it's not cause of the filter

[gray saffron]

i still really wanna know what the bf suprise is 😫

[uneven hollow]

It’s crabs

A giant ass crab dancing to some sick ass toons

[gray saffron]

sounds good

[uneven hollow]

Or better yet

A giant crab dancing and riding a giant shark

[gray saffron]

sounds good

or better

needs to be more wacky

[uneven hollow]

10 giant dancing crabs riding 10 giant dancing sharks

[gray saffron]

sounds good

or great

[gray glade]

i never seen the shark EE on twisted steel

is it random?

[wet fossil]

It ain't Twisted Steel without broken LODs and horrible melted plastic faces

Holy shit the fog isn't that thick shoot back at the sherman picking you off you bellends

This guy's chewing through the entire armour force just by sitting in the open and taking potshots because they won't fire back

[finite tide]

i hate fighting tank brigades lol

you get 3 abrams tanks rolling up fully manned with 2 engies a piece and 1 medic per engie, cant beat it without godly air support

at least i cant lol

[fiery gulch]

why everytime i use night fighter it keep crushing my pc?

[sour stratus]

Wha

[finite tide]

mans dropping a mix tape with his gamer tag

[wet fossil]

The night fighter does seem weirdly stuttery in flight

There's a myriad of bugs in this game that will never be fixed.

[fiery gulch]

sad

[prime pine]

Dooladoola

[tough lodge]

What's this week's reward?

100 boins?

[sour stratus]

Yes

[tough lodge]

Also, is the definitive edition still at discount?

The upgrade?

@sour stratus

[prime pine]

Its for 1000 yes

[sour stratus]

God I saw someone with angra's pfp in my squad and I panicked

[prime pine]

LOL

[fiery gulch]

is steam going to do steam sale for battlefield 1 and 4?

[left pecan]

Kinda wanna buy Bf5

Just dont know

[brave dock]

there is a trial

[inland dragon]

Everyone shits on BFV, but it cannot be denied that as a game alone, it is a great game

People just bandwagon

[sour stratus]

Especially reddit

[wet fossil]

BFV would unironically be better if they just gave it a chance.

And I'm talking about both the community and EA.

[inland dragon]

Exactly

Great graphics, great intro, great gunplay, great weapon diversity

Just foolish decisions made

Great soundtrack! Let’s not forget

@left pecan

In answer to your uncertainty

[pine flame]

do you play medic

[wet fossil]

Okay I'm getting sick of this corner camping 42

[dim cedar]

Bf3 too much camping

[sour stratus]

Lmao someone sent a artillery strike just for me lul

[wet fossil]

Fucking hell it's like all these new players see a big machine gun and go BIG GUN GOOD

There are so many supports

[gray saffron]

Mg42 iz fun on hardcore tho

[prime pine]

Bar Bar baby

[sour stratus]

Drilling

[prime pine]

Ke7 would be interesting to get in to

Dustin, I finished my bar by the way

[tough lodge]

@inland dragon all of this clown fiesta couldnt have happened if somebody else's daughter didnt ask why she cant play as a woman in a ww2 game

[placid mural]

yes

[inland dragon]

This clown fiesta cut me deep

[wet fossil]

Holy shit there are so many camping machine guns

[inland dragon]

I love battlefield and I love the ww2 era and it’s a shame to see how it released and to see they’re moving on to modern era

That being said, I’m still a hopeless addict of BFV

[sour stratus]

They were going to modern no matter what happened to 5

[proper cradle]

a

[tough lodge]

I dont even mind if they add 2 russian maps by march 2021 lol

or 2 snow american maps

[inland dragon]

I know, I mean it’s a shame that they weren’t able to fully expand and dwell on the BFV game

[tough lodge]

I'm just wishing that if they ever make another WW2 game in 2027/2030 they would re use all of the pacific maps

I wont even mind

These are great maps

[sour stratus]

Damn the bren really slaps holy shit

[inland dragon]

I gotta say, I’m a bigger fan of the original maps then the pacific ones. Although ALL battlefield v maps are beautiful

[gray saffron]

It was gonna happen one way or another. Had bfv released without customization people would have bitched about the lack of skins

[wet fossil]

DOUBLE HEADSHOT M30 RIFLE ROUND

[tough lodge]

The thing is, they could have done this correctly

[placid mural]

yes

[gray saffron]

It is done correctly

[tough lodge]

Look at the cosmetics we have in BFV

[gray saffron]

Have you looked at it now?

[inland dragon]

I like customisation, big fan actually, as long as they have the realistic uniforms as an option as well. And they did in the end.

[sour stratus]

I dont mind cosmetics

At the end of day, it's still a game

[gray saffron]

If not, it's time to check at the customization now

[wet fossil]

I generally prefer being able to actually identify enemy classes on the fly.

Customise people, not uniforms.

[inland dragon]

Yes, but they all still follow the same gist

[tough lodge]

They didnt actually implement it right. We had bad cosmetics at launch. It took them 2 years to get the real uniforms

[gray saffron]

All default outfits are correct colour, authentic outfits have been released, the new usa elite is fucking fantastic and historically accurate etc

[solid carbon]

low quality viking

[gray saffron]

Also dutch helmets

[tough lodge]

Imagine we had authentic british skins at launch

Like the tommy

[inland dragon]

@tough lodge you can’t blame ‘em tho. From the very beginning everyone was complaining about EVERYTHING

[tough lodge]

Or they could have just made DICE LA do most of the work. Look at bf4

Shit at launch

[gray saffron]

All tow cosmetics are earnable. What games besides bfv makes their battlepass (which was also free) available for in-gane currency?

[tough lodge]

literally turned around by DICE LA

[gray saffron]

Battlepass cosmetics *

[tough lodge]

iirc DICE LA worked on some maps

But they should have been in charged for most of it

[inland dragon]

@tough lodge yes, however the dice members working on BFV persisted in thinking they were right

That was the biggest issue

[gray saffron]

All the bfv maps are pretty solid compared to the dullsnooze ones from bf4 imo.

[tough lodge]

Also, if the ttk clown fiesta didnt happen we should have been in russian front right now

[inland dragon]

100%

So true

[wet fossil]

The TTK thing was way overblown.

One month.

Was all it was.

[solid hinge]

Battlefield V hardcore (200% bullet damage, no killcam and no hud) is pretty decent. Feels much better than vanilla. At least when you disable Bolt Action Rifles, Bolt Action Carbines, Self Loading Rifles and Semi Auto Rifles.

[inland dragon]

No, it’s never been fully reverted

[wet fossil]

Oh so if you disable all the fun weapons hardcore is good

[tough lodge]

The 6.2 version should have been the 5.2

[wet fossil]

Maybe, just maybe, 200% bullet damage is fucking stupid

[tough lodge]

If they really wanted weapon balance

The thing is

[solid hinge]

Other weapons are fun too. The weapons I mentioned were not meant for HC balance, though.

[tough lodge]

Who wants to kill someone for 10 bullets

[solid hinge]

They are already powerful in vanilla.

[prime pine]

5.2/.2 ttk was absolute bullshit

Guys 13 hk for an lmg is balanced

Fuck no it isn't

[shy badger]

5.2 fg42

Xddddd

[prime pine]

The fg42 is an assault rifle (technically an lmg but in terms of use it practically was)

[tough lodge]

Mg42 5 to 13 btk

Like what the fuck

[solid hinge]

Yeah, it's more or less an assault rifle.

[tough lodge]

Even a 9mm pistol does a better job

[prime pine]

Didn't you know that the mg42 was meant to be used like a submachine dustin?

[solid hinge]

Odd that they gave it to Support.

[prime pine]

Im glad they gave it to support

Personally

[pine flame]

got a bayonet on my support

[prime pine]

Technically by nowadays standards its a battle rifle

[solid hinge]

I always liked Support for the long range suppressive fire - staying true to the name.

[tough lodge]

We didnt even get a sorry from EA/DICE

[solid hinge]

Loved the big boi machine guns.

[tough lodge]

Or Söderlund himself

[prime pine]

I just go bren

[shy badger]

Sorry for what

[solid hinge]

Yeah, Bren is fun. But it's not the same.

[gray saffron]

bren is fren

[prime pine]

Bren is really easy to control and for me, it allows me to snipe people.

[wet fossil]

Seriously though I blew through two skulls with the M30 Drilling rifle barrel.

[inland dragon]

@tough lodge that’s because some of them still think they did nothing wrong

[solid hinge]

I personally prefer Madsen for more damage per shot at long ranges.

[prime pine]

Shotguns have no headshot multiplier lol

[tough lodge]

Sorry for fucking up this game and söderlund with his stupid statements

[gray saffron]

nice tano

[prime pine]

Oh definitely, the madsen has a really good niche in that department

[tough lodge]

All bfv players should get a discount for bf6

[solid hinge]

Ha, yeah. M30 Drilling is so difficult but also so satisfying to use. Especially on hardcore.

[shy badger]

The games alright now

[wet fossil]

I just wish the reload was faster.

[shy badger]

6/10game

[solid hinge]

Yesterday I scored a doublekill with one bullet with Drilling on Hardcore.

[wet fossil]

The Model 1900 had it right.

[tough lodge]

@inland dragon thats the point, ignorance at EA/DICE and the refusal to listen to the community

[inland dragon]

Ey, Ey Ey! Let’s not shit on the game itself

[gray saffron]

bog pls

[shy badger]

Wot

[gray saffron]

solid 8 atleast

[shy badger]

Lol.no

[tough lodge]

BFV is great, it's just the ones in the higher ups

[shy badger]

Fuck no

[wet fossil]

And the best thing about the M30 is that it can use 2x irons with the buckhorn sights.

The buckhorns just so happen to be my preferred style in 1.

[tough lodge]

Should not blame the devs tho, they were just told to write codes, record stuff and whatever is needed to make the game

[prime pine]

Just use model 37 and youre set.

[shy badger]

Maybe if you ignore all the current issues (not even considering past decision making) its a 7.5

[inland dragon]

@tough lodge fair

[shy badger]

Maaaaybe 8

[solid hinge]

Model 37 is the slam-firing one, right?

[gray saffron]

mention current issues

[shy badger]

Team balance

Weapon balance

[gray saffron]

they're not so badly balanced on community games imo

[shy badger]

Vehicle balance

[gray saffron]

weapon balance is great

[solid hinge]

I wish there was more customization to the server configs. Like ability to have a persistent ban list, promoting people to admins, allowing people to swap teams, disabling scopes on specific weapons, disabling specific weapons, modifying specific weapon damage etc.

[prime pine]

Shotgun squad boys

[tough lodge]

Lack of features in CG. We cant disable certain weapons

[gray saffron]

vehicle balance is alright, except planes vs aa = shit.

[shy badger]

Zh and selby

[tough lodge]

Also this

[gray saffron]

slrs can be banned on community games ;D

[prime pine]

The worst parts of bf5 are the semis, slrs and semis

[shy badger]

Some tanks just don't make senae

[solid hinge]

Yeah.

[prime pine]

The automatics are just fine though

[wet fossil]

The Model 37 is what the 1897 should've been.

[shy badger]

Sara are incresibly goos too yea

[tough lodge]

I just want to ban type 2a without banning all of SMG's but you cant so it

[solid hinge]

IMO weapons like SARs, SLRs and BACs shouldn't have scopes

[amber pine]

Oof

[tough lodge]

If you ban a single smg then all of smg's are banned

[wet fossil]

The thing fires so quickly it's unironically an autoshotgun

[weary isle]

I want to ban people being better than me

[solid hinge]

1897 is good for slugs

[prime pine]

Even though the only difference between weapons is their rpm and control, its a good dynamic.

[amber pine]

[prime pine]

The bren gun fires the second slowest but has incredible control

[solid hinge]

Imagine Model 37 but with slugs

[idle breach]

aufklarung

[wet fossil]

For slugs, use the 12g auto.

[prime pine]

The bar being the fastest in the lmg class but has the least control

[inland dragon]

@prime pine is there an issue with keyboard/mouse users on xbox?

[solid hinge]

Haha, just kidding. That already exists. It's called semiauto.

[prime pine]

Uhhh

To be honest

[idle breach]

m37 is the best shotgun

[weary isle]

Idk to me chauchat feels like it’s super hard to control

[prime pine]

Id say yes. Though in my experience there haven't been many of them as of late

[wet fossil]

I love the chauchat.

[solid hinge]

Chauchat is probably hardest LMG to control.

[idle breach]

use single burst with chocholate

[wet fossil]

It's like it wants to headshot.

[weary isle]

Yea

[solid hinge]

Odd. In BF1 it was an excellent sniper LMG.

[idle breach]

auto mode don't really have a point

[amber pine]

Headshot addict

[prime pine]

Its violent recoil doesn't help it but its usable.

[solid carbon]

cringe

[idle breach]

just 1tap chochit

[idle breach]

no u cringe

[wet fossil]

Spec for reduced recoil and you're good.

[weary isle]

I’m jk @solid carbon

[solid carbon]

[prime pine]

Still kicks extremely hard even with the specs.

[solid hinge]

Yeah

[idle breach]

yeah just

[solid hinge]

Way too hard imo

[idle breach]

shoot bit slowly than max rof

[weary isle]

Yea the bf1 chauchat was way easier to use

[idle breach]

and do 1tap and it works just like hard hitting SAR

[prime pine]

I dont question it, it has its place. I just prefer my bren

[solid hinge]

BF1 chauchat had hidden meta

[prime pine]

Yeah basically the chauchat is a victim of power creep this time

[solid hinge]

It was a very decent CQC weapon

[prime pine]

Cause everything else fired slower there so it was more usable

But now that modern tech is here

Its sort of taken a step back.

[idle breach]

we just need AK47 in bfv

[gray saffron]

what tanks?

[weary isle]

If you look at battlefield tracker chauchat is the least used in the game

[idle breach]

give every class AK47

[weary isle]

Other than k31

[shy badger]

Archer

[solid hinge]

You had to be skillful enough to hit every bullet with chauchat in CQC, but it paid off

[shy badger]

Shermy

In its AT spec

[solid hinge]

Or you could just take a SMG and spray'n'pray people without any effort :P

[gray saffron]

archer makes sense on hardcore tho :3

[solid hinge]

But that's no fun

[wet fossil]

I fucking hate that Panzerstorm's American now. My Archer never sees use anymore.

[solid hinge]

At least for me

[shy badger]

Why

[idle breach]

you can still use it on outpost lmao

[gray saffron]

first person only

[shy badger]

So what

[wet fossil]

Every other map is filled with obstructive terrain and a million places for infantry to hide and ambush from.

Hamada for instance.

[bronze sigil]

I'm making a realistic hardcore bfv community game this gonna be fun

[wet fossil]

And someone needs to crack the Tigers open on Panzerstorm. The Shermans do not cut it.

[solid hinge]

I think this has been an issue with map design since BF1. Way too many obstacles to hide behind.

Panzerstorm does it well.

[shy badger]

Eh

Panzeratorm is a death trap foe infis

[solid hinge]

Nivelle Nights was pretty and had potential, but it was awful. Too many trenches and nooks for infantry to seep through.

I am an infantry-only player and I love panzerstorm

[amber pine]

Noice

[shy badger]

You're one of a kins

[prime pine]

Night fighter on panzer storm

[solid hinge]

You just have to think before you move anywhere. You cannot be careless like on other maps.

[shy badger]

I only like it as a recon

It doesn't really matter how careful you are when the main objecticea always have so many tanks

[solid hinge]

Never liked sniping on panzerstorm, but I always loved spotting

Support is fun too

[shy badger]

And the map is so huge flanking to the back flags is a chorw

[solid hinge]

You can do tankhunting

Yeah, I love it. You can easily defend.

[wet fossil]

Despite Panzerstorm's sheer size, there are only two plane spawns.

And odds are they're taken by fighters who couldn't give a damn.

[solid hinge]

No more pesky flankers that always have a safe route from objective to objective.

[wet fossil]

And having like seven tank spawns means that there's always an AA tank, so those two planes are not going to stick around.

[shy badger]

I only tank hunt wifh other tanks

[solid hinge]

I wish BFV had more barbed wire to lock down sectors and close roadways

[shy badger]

Solo tank hunting is too dangerous and not worth it

[solid hinge]

I usually sneak up on enemy tanks as Support with Type 99 Mines and AT nade launcher

[wet fossil]

My favourite thing with the Archer? Getting right up in their face and ramming the bastards.

I could flip them up and put a round straight in their belly.

[prime pine]

Remember when you could drop mines near a name auf and blow them up with just two of them?

[sour stratus]

I hope angra isn't lurking

[gray saffron]

also stug makes more sense in hardcore

[sour stratus]

[gray saffron]

the gunner seat becomes vital

[wet fossil]

The Stug is just a way shittier Archer, really.

[shy badger]

Stug makes sense in normal core too

[prime pine]

Throw the mines and throw the impact for a an easy kill

[wet fossil]

Same gun as the P.IV, none of the mobility.

[gray saffron]

the stug has a 360 gunner seat, it's a better archer

don't diss my stug 😠

[wet fossil]

The Archer has a far better traverse range, a bigger gun, a faster engine

[shy badger]

It just has a very specifix role

[wet fossil]

And a driver MG

[solid hinge]

Support AT arsenal is not as powerful as Assault's, but is certainly much more fun.

[shy badger]

Archer is a shittier stug you mean

[solid hinge]

Assault gadgets seem kinda boring

[amber pine]

Lol

[solid hinge]

Powerful, but at the same time very easy to use

[wet fossil]

I can't hear you over the 17 pounder

[solid hinge]

Especially the bazooka

It has barely any drop

[shy badger]

shoots the front qith a tiger 80 damage

[amber pine]

Lol

[solid hinge]

Stug is great for teamplay

The remotely-controlled 360° MG for gunner is great

[pine flame]

what the

my soldier grabbed a German and beat the shit out of him

[wet fossil]

It'd be better if the driver had the option to take over the remote mg

[solid hinge]

The driver is already working as the driver, gunner AND loader

tbh I don't want BF4 tanks

I liked tanks in BF1

Where they were powerful (but vulnerable) mobile weapons that relied on teamwork

Mark especially

[prime pine]

Vallie mk8 is a lot of fun to use

[solid hinge]

mortar Mark was a beast

[sour stratus]

Since I play more aggressive I use the heavy tanks

[solid hinge]

and with a good teammate Mark could 1v1 any tank

Key to victory was to have your teammate manning both side cannons.

[amber pine]

Yep

[solid hinge]

BFV tanks are imo better than BF4 tanks, but a downgrade from BF1

Not good for teamwork

You usually have a front gunner - who doesn't have much vision or MG traverse and usually looks in the same direction as the driver (person operating the turret)

[sour stratus]

Define teamwork

[solid hinge]

And the top gunner - who is extremely vulnerable to small firearms and iirc dies after tank takes a single hit from AT shell - even if he ducks.

[amber pine]

Ah, a lone wolf I see

[shy badger]

I din't qant to rely on randoms when tanking thank you very muxh

[solid hinge]

At least that was my experience. And I'm playing on PC btw

[shy badger]

Ita already a chore when your teammates are incompetent in their own tanks

[solid hinge]

Get a good teammate then.

Tanks are a luxury.

[shy badger]

I don't choose my teammatea

[solid hinge]

They should have some requirement, as cost for their potential.

[shy badger]

The game soea

Doea

[sour stratus]

I never rely on teammates

[shy badger]

They should be hard to use

[sour stratus]

And I play the objective

[shy badger]

Not require luck

[sour stratus]

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[solid hinge]

I RARELY find a good random, so I usually play with my IRL mate

and it's fine

[finite tide]

the trick is being bad at the game so everyone seems like theyre good

[shy badger]

Well.not everyone can/want to play with prematea

Its a casual.game after all

[solid hinge]

Yeah. And BFV tanks are fit for solo play.

Which is why I liked BF1 tanks more

[finite tide]

havent played bf V

but bf 1 is actually the best battlefield ive played

[shy badger]

Thats fair,I just think tanks should stay 1-3 player vehicles

[finite tide]

and ive been on this since 1942 where you could drive subs and shit

[solid hinge]

BF1 had nice tanks. But it was a VERY casual title in the franchise.

[finite tide]

bf1 gets the balance between infantry and vehicles down

[solid hinge]

Eh, I'd disagree.

To a point.

[finite tide]

i just discovered mortars so maybe im just biased off of my recent game time

[solid hinge]

There is just one issue with infantry-vehicle balance in BF1

[finite tide]

but i find compared to bad company 2 or battlefield 4, the tanks are a lot more manageable in bf1

[shy badger]

The game had plenty other aspects to it rhat made it more casual

[finite tide]

yeah like each class having 1 gun thats clearly the best

[solid hinge]

And it's the ridiculous abundance and ease of use of AT gadgets that Assault class has in BF1.

[shy badger]

Ans the whole bf1 is more casual argument is controversial too

[finite tide]

yeah thats true

i mean i havent been in that conversation before

[solid hinge]

BF1 Assault has just too many and too powerful AT gadgets

[finite tide]

but its pretty obvious bf1 is more casual than other games

[shy badger]

Eh

[finite tide]

from the lack of gun choices to the small pistol its all just designed to be streamlined for casual play

it prioritizes fun over skill cap

and theres nothing wrong with that its just a more casual game by fact

[shy badger]

Bf2 had a lack of guna too

So did bc2

[gray saffron]

bf1 IS casual

[shy badger]

And 1942

I mean yea

It is

[finite tide]

bc2 and 1942 are both almost a decade old with comparable guns

[solid hinge]

I dropped BF1 because it's so casual.

[finite tide]

and probably almost the same customization

[solid hinge]

Came back to BF4

[pine flame]

shotgun is

[finite tide]

i play bf4 but the tank brigades are too efficient

[solid hinge]

Yeah, tanks are a bit overpowered in BF4, but not to a crtitical level.

[finite tide]

turns into a world of warcraft battleground where neither groups directly clashing and people just rotate from point to point half the time

[solid hinge]

You can take them down with enough effort

[finite tide]

im not that good at the game, i just have rpgs and tanks to counter other tanks

[solid hinge]

And if you have a good team - extremely easily

[shy badger]

Bf3 came a year after bc2 and had moee than double the guns

Anyway

I was about to aay

[solid hinge]

Best AT weapon in BF4 would probably be a 5-man UCAV team.

[unique meteor]

somebody come get her

[shy badger]

All bf games are casual

[finite tide]

yeah thats the point i was making, battlefield 1 is more casual because the older games have as much depth in class creation

[shy badger]

But you can make the argument that in a sense bf1 requirea a lot more adaptation than other bf games

[solid hinge]

5 players working together with UCAVs can take down a single tank in an instant up to 400m. And the tank cannot dodge easily or counter UCAV with MP-APS.

[amber pine]

[shy badger]

Like the weapon spread makimg you have to really learn guns to be effecient

[pine flame]

gas Grenades

[gray saffron]

nah, you'll hit a skill ceiling much faster. due your guns are more rng based. you litterally can't improve due the rgn does fuck all regardless of your aim in bf1

[shy badger]

Or like you said tanks and vehicles in general having more aeats requiring more teamwork

[solid hinge]

Yeah, BF1 has a very low skill ceiling for a Battlefield.

[shy badger]

Guna are rng based in bfv too

[gray saffron]

you can pit two equal shooters and one iwll win solely due rng

[solid hinge]

It has lots of RNG

[gray saffron]

yeah but you can learn the rngness. due it's recoil based

[solid hinge]

The tanks are great in BF1 though

[finite tide]

bf1 spray has rng?

[gray saffron]

if you aim a guy your bullet isn't going to the pub first

unlike bf1

[solid hinge]

Nah, BF1 doesn't have as much recoil

[finite tide]

i find if im using a bipod theres 0 recoil and rng on spray

[solid hinge]

It has tons of innacurate weapons instead

so RNG

[finite tide]

turns the one lmg into a laser beam

[solid hinge]

That depends

[gray saffron]

bf1 your bullet just heads to the nearest pub, in bfv it goes where you aim it at

[solid hinge]

on consoles it's definitely laser time

On PC it's not that easy

Yeah. One thing I noticed in BFV is that the first bullet is always perfectly accurate

[shy badger]

But where you aim at is often determined by rng

[solid hinge]

even without bipod

in BF1 you had to spam bullets

[finite tide]

i do have to say assault/support is an insane combo in bf1, infinite rocket ammo, mortar shots and lmgs/smgs

has everything covered with 2 people

bf1 has sniping as good as bad company 2 but the maps arent as good imo

[gray saffron]

but its easy to tell where your aim is going to be due the weapon swaying, and visual recoil

[pine flame]

i liked playing medic in bf1

[solid hinge]

Assault alone is an insane combo in BF1.

[shy badger]

Ywa but you can't xontrol it ao why should it mtter?

[solid hinge]

Eh, BF1 sniping wasn't good at all IMO.

[shy badger]

Its basically teh same as having tracer

S

[solid hinge]

I feel like BFV sniping is better

and BF4 is even better

[shy badger]

I prefer bfv to bf1 don't get me wromg

[solid hinge]

or rather

Much more fun.

[shy badger]

I find the game a lot more fun

[solid hinge]

Because it requires effort in BF4

[shy badger]

But with that being said

[finite tide]

maybe its just me but i lose every sniper exchange in bf 4

[shy badger]

I've doubled back on the bf1 is more casual opiniom

[finite tide]

i find i win 65% in bf1

[solid hinge]

It's just much more satisfying. BF1 sniping was really boring for me.

Because sniping in BF1 doesn't require effort.

in BF4 you actually have to try

[shy badger]

I just prefer to atay imdifferent and aay its not as simple.as x is more casual.than y

[solid hinge]

You have to care about your glint

[finite tide]

if you arent squad leader snipings much harder in bf1, marking flags gives you distance, adjust sights then its laser beam time

[solid hinge]

take bullet drop into consideration

[gray saffron]

with random recoil, a good player will be able to adjust his aim much faster and get the kill. with rng bullet deviation it doesnt matter, caus ethe bullet goes wherever it likes anyway. there is no real thing to adjust it's all for show

[solid hinge]

use zeroing

Actually aim for the head

[finite tide]

i use zeroing in bf1

its just that most people arent ever past 150 meters

[shy badger]

You xan't adjust random recoil with automatic weapoms

[gray saffron]

you can

[shy badger]

Literally impossible

[gray saffron]

cause you see where the gun starts leaning towards

[shy badger]

No one has a reactiom time fast enough

By the time you realize where your gun is pointing you've already fired the nxt shot

[solid hinge]

Yeah

And then you adjust

[gray saffron]

if you're trying to adjust based on a single shot, use semis

[solid hinge]

In BFV you don't even have to adjust with certain weapons, like SARs. They have 0 horizontal recoil ^^

[gray saffron]

you can predict the movement pattern of your next 5 bullets. it's like chess

you dont just make one step, you do one step to make a move 5 moves later

[shy badger]

Thats why 0 hrec guns are often meta

You can't predict randomness

[finite tide]

so the way i do it is, aim shoot, readjust for center of mass because even if the gun pops off to the sides the shots still started at center of mass so i always get at least 2 shots in

[shy badger]

All you can do

[finite tide]

usually 3 hits every time but always at least 2

[gray saffron]

but you can adapt to it

you can't adapt to rng bullet deviation

[solid hinge]

Yeah, you don't correct after every shot. You get used to specific strength of the recoil and negate it with instinct.

[pine flame]

missing a sniper and bayoneying his medic is hilarious

[shy badger]

Is adjust your fighting distance so that the area of potential hrec is small enough

Or any other worsa

Words

Do the same as you did in bf1

[gray saffron]

guns in bf1 also have random recoil

they're not snipers ala battalion 1944 in beta

[shy badger]

Ok bf1 is more random there's no doubt

But guna there behave way differently to each other

And getting good with one gun requires a lot.more adjusting

[solid hinge]

Yeah, but BF1 guns don't really have too much recoil ^^

[shy badger]

In bf1 I can pick.up.basically any gun.and be good with it

[finite tide]

bf1 guns are insanely accurate on hip fire

[shy badger]

Bfv*

[finite tide]

30 meter hip fires shouldnt happen lol

[solid hinge]

Well that depends

BFV Medic and Assault guns are very easy to use

Medic guns do not really have any recoil hehe

Especially after upgrades

[shy badger]

Medic guns have plenty of recoil

[solid hinge]

Eh, I'd disagree.

[shy badger]

T2a suomi tommy

[solid hinge]

As someone who uses LMGs and MMGs

For me medic guns have recoil that barely needs any negating

[finite tide]

i always feel like medics dont perform unless theyre camping in a tunnel battle

[shy badger]

I mean its not even a debate

Just look up the stats

[finite tide]

when i use medic guns i lose every even exchange it sucks

[solid hinge]

..though for some reasons SMGs aren't that bad at range either.

[shy badger]

Uh

[solid hinge]

up to 50m it's no problem

[shy badger]

I thi k I need to introduce you to the ttk charts

[solid hinge]

I can hold a Sten on point 50m away without too much hassle, full auto

[prime pine]

Sten doesn't exactly kick the hardest either