The Browning is an example of a laser
#battlefield-legacy-titles
formal solar
prime pine
Well lmgs
sick hamlet
MG42 1200 RPM lols
prime pine
Yeah the mmgs in a way, m1922, browning and mg42 are up there
Don't remind me when my friend and I just ran around the map with light bolt mg42's
wild kayak
BF5 LMGs are garbage. BF4 LMGs are god tier weapons. BFV MGs require skill because they are underpowered.
prime pine
LMAO
sick hamlet
MMGs are a good idea in concept. Still needs tweaking though.
prime pine
AHAHAHAHA
wild kayak
BFV MMGs promote camping
scenic beacon
LOL
wild kayak
BF4 MGs promote defending
formal solar
Chauchat god tier
prime pine
A weapon that actually requires you to control it are shit?
wild kayak
No. It's just a weapon that's underpowered when literally all other weapons DO NOT require you to control them.
prime pine
Theyre not underpowered
prime pine
Theyre actually incredibly good weapons
formal solar
Yea but MMG’s still inspire defensive and campy play with their inherent features @sick hamlet
sick hamlet
1200 RPM from MG42, S2-200 pre-recoil nerf as a laser, VGO mag dumping...
wild kayak
In contrast to BF4 MGs which promote suppressive fire and defense
formal solar
Bruh the amount of MG42 players I see on headies on the back of the map are insane
prime pine
So you're telling me a bren or a lewis can't do the same?
wild kayak
and by defense I mean actual defense where you expose yourself and shoot at all enemies
not like in BFV where you lie down in a corner and shoot at passing-by enemies
gray glade
1200 rpm mg42 unfortunately has too much horizontal recoil to be as effective as the m1922
prime pine
When theyre more flexible weapons than mmgs as a whole, as they don't require for you to lay down?
scenic beacon
I quite enjoy the S2, it's light bolt is super nice with that accuracy and reload speed
formal solar
BFV LMG’s take more skill than BF4 LMG’s
sick hamlet
But per your own words to use the LMGs in BF4 effectively you have to use that gimped bipod system
prime pine
Jesus fuck
formal solar
BFV LMG’s take more skill than BF4 LMG’s
sick hamlet
FSR multiplier nerf screwed the S2-200 hard
prime pine
Id say they're easier to use but their curve does make them more skillfull
formal solar
BF4 LMG’s take zero brain power since they all have 200+ rounds and zero recoil
gray glade
bf4 lmgs were ❤️
i've never gotten so much hate in any game as i did when using those in TDM lol
tribal cairn
MMGs are quite nice in good hands
gray glade
it was amazing
sick hamlet
I do think the MMG category or something like it will stick around. It’s easily enough to carry that forward to GPMGs that can’t really be effectively fired from the shoulder.
tribal cairn
I'm a defensive player who prefers a more passive playstyle
MMGs fit my niche nicely
prime pine
Jesus fuck
formal solar
Could easily use something like an FG in the same style
prime pine
I've been laughing too hard, im in tears
sick hamlet
Plus, there’s things like SAWs that fill more or less the same niche as the FG and KE-7 and Bren
scenic beacon
my mg42 fits my pushing super well, but overall, the lmgs are SUPER strong in the right hands, @prime pine is a perfect example
wild kayak
BFV LMGs take more skill than BF4 LMGs
False. BFV LMGs are more AR-like. MMGs promote camping. BF4 LMGs promote defensive gameplay and suppressing.
@sick hamlet the bipod system makes it more difficult, but more satisfying. aka you need more skill.
@formal solar Wrong. MGs have recoil. Bipod turns the recoil down, but bipod has many downsides.
tribal cairn
MMGs with a good position holding down a choke point could be the deciding factor in breakthrough
sick hamlet
Or a cleverly used MMG on the offensive moving from cover to cover
tribal cairn
Mhm
prime pine
With the Bren, lewis, CHADSEN, type 11 and even the CHADCHAUT you can play better defensively better than other mmg!
sick hamlet
The VGO and MG42 are nasty used offensively.
solid hinge
why are they called light machine guns when they are as heavy as an obese husky
prime pine
By the way, I love the name. chadchaut
scenic beacon
even as an mmg main i think lmgs are way more versatile and powerful
i've just made something i like work
solid hinge
mmg=mild machine gun?
sour stratus
light
sick hamlet
Anywho, I can see support having MGs in future games split between magazine fed ones and belt-fed ones.
prime pine
Mmgs have a niche, its just lmgs occupy the other 80%
Yeah grav I was a bit weirded at that for a while
sick hamlet
And I can see the belt-fed ones having similar constraints to MMGs
solid hinge
I wish flamethrowers were in support class weapons
prime pine
An HMG would weight at least 80kgs
solid hinge
its not even that over powered
wild kayak
BF4 LMGs:
-Promote defensive play - expose yourself and suppress the enemy, control large chunks of map
-Make use of the bipod - for a price. It leaves you vulnerable. But gives you superior accuracy and easier to control recoil
BFV LMGs:
-AR-like
-hybrid between defensive and offensive
-rather underpowered when compared to other BFV weapons
BFV MMGs:
-Promote literal camping - you expose yourself, you die to semiautos and other rifles
-Bipod is not as effective, but it is required
@solid hinge I agree
sick hamlet
Because flamethrowers are obsolete in the modern era. Thermobarics FTW!
scenic beacon
holy block of text, batman
prime pine
Yeah, theyre hybirds but theyre not even underpowered to other weapons!
tribal cairn
MG42 with 250 rounds and it's original 1200 rpm could be absolutely powerful in close-medium range encounters when holding down an objective
gray glade
@prime pine the mg42 weighs 10.5kg's irl so you're not off 🙂
sick hamlet
I tend to go for the smaller magazine options for the MMGs anyway because the stat benefits I find more beneficial overall.
prime pine
Ye, I had the lewith gun in my head when writing that
wild kayak
BFV MMGs could use:
-3x scope
-Less recoil with bipod deployed
-That's all. That'd bring MGs on par with other weapon types and maybe stop people from camping with them
prime pine
They do not need a 3x
wild kayak
They do
scenic beacon
definitely no 3x
prime pine
Why
wild kayak
At least M1919A6
prime pine
Why do they need zoom
scenic beacon
as an mmg main i'd say hell no. strong enough in terms of range as it is.
gray glade
the problem i see with the mg42 atm is that it has too much recoil, the m1922 is easier to rack up kills with because you dont have to fire so much at every single target
prime pine
You can use them defensively enough
sick hamlet
The Type 96 is best used like an MMG anyway.
prime pine
You dont need to snipe the map with a scope
wild kayak
by laying down in a corner
tribal cairn
MG42 does have a bit much recoil even bipoded, I agree but that's why you burst fire
Makes longer range engagements tolerable
sick hamlet
Too bad FSRM punishes burst fire HARD
prime pine
I main support all the fucking way and hell I can think of more innovative ways to make mmgs a better part of the game
dry geyser
Imo m1 >turnersml
prime pine
Sadly the semis dominate but thats that
wild kayak
I mained solely support in BF1 and BF4. 3X scope would NOT turn MMGs into sniper rifles.
wild kayak
M1919A6 has accuracy but cannot make use of it because of lack of a scope
tribal cairn
Didn't BF4 have LMG Cheese with thermals and bipods?
gray glade
yeah
wild kayak
@prime pine also are you a PC or console player
formal solar
So if you added a scope 😐
tribal cairn
Just lay down with a thermal scope and hold down fire?
prime pine
It can make use of the accuracy, just use your eyes
wild kayak
@tribal cairn Yes. ANd it was good.
sick hamlet
The S2-200 is overshadowed right now. But if it had a flat 5BTK damage model and was corrected to 25-round mags, I can see it having a decent niche.
gray glade
bf4 lmg's were absolutely amazing with flir
wild kayak
@prime pine PC or console
tribal cairn
That's like playing basketball against a disabled kid
prime pine
gray glade
i felt OP in tdm with them anyway
prime pine
Console
formal solar
@tribal cairn Yes. ANd it was good.
@wild kayak by laying in a corner on Hardcore servers and one tapping everyone who can’t see you
😐
scenic beacon
i play both.
wild kayak
@formal solar I do not play on hardcore servers. Also LMGs in BF4 require you to SHOOT A LOT which means EXPOSITION
tribal cairn
BF4 LMGs were absolutely not balanced
wild kayak
Yes they were.
tribal cairn
I distinctly remember sniping snipers with LMGs
wild kayak
You set up the bipod and start shooting, immobile. 1 bullet and you're gone. 1 mortar shell and you're gone. 1 tank and you're gone. 1 UCAV and you're gone.
sick hamlet
Also didn’t help that attachment system in BF4 was setup in such a way that there was an optimal combo useable across basically all weapons
wild kayak
Someone flanks you and you're gone
prime pine
Semis are more popular on pc yes, but that being said, mmgs with scopes would be too far.
wild kayak
It would not be too far
sick hamlet
There legit was like no reason not to use the heavy barrel.
wild kayak
Just because how every other class counters MMGs at range on PC
prime pine
Why don't you use your eyes and use irons with them then?
tribal cairn
And? That doesn't offset the fact that LMGs were absurdly powerful
wild kayak
Because I'm not playing on console. I'm playing on PC. Where other players use more accurate weapons like semis and they are quickier at aiming
@tribal cairn ARs are absurdly powerful too
sick hamlet
Tapfire meta = what recoil?
tribal cairn
ARs don't dump you from 200 meters away like an LMG and thermals
prime pine
How does it make it any different in the end? If you used your eyes to pick them off before the got a shot on you youd be fine
wild kayak
@tribal cairn MGs don't shred from up close with no recoil like ARs
scenic beacon
it's not hard to squint at the screen mate
wild kayak
@prime pine Anything is good with the surprise element.
prime pine
You'd be able to surprise them still.
sick hamlet
Massive movement accuracy penalties for LMGs in BF4 as well.
gritty swift
Good old days BF4 was
prime pine
And if they saw you head on, your reaction time matters
wild kayak
Except it's harder to surprise someone on PC, because of:
-quickier aiming
-bigger FoV
-better sound players have (most have headphones)
MMGs are simply easier to use on console
just like in BF1 LMGs were easier to use on console
Because the counter you encountered was not as strong as on PC.
prime pine
Yeah, the same is here in xbox OCE. Every one has a headset, everyone's using high fov and hell, the people here are the best aimers.
solid hinge
Because flamethrowers are obsolete in the modern era. Thermobarics FTW!
@sick hamlet oops I was talking about BF1
I wish more videogames implemented flamethrowers more commonly they are awesome.
sick hamlet
Would be lulzy to see a modern BF with fuel-air bombs just to see the tears flowing from that.
prime pine
OCE is one of the most try hardiest regions, We're good at what we do and will whip anyones ass.
sick hamlet
Then again DICE would nerf it to be a massive blast low damage weapon
tribal cairn
Nah, just killed by a random fucking cruise missile from a destroyer 5 miles away offshore
sick hamlet
They’d barely have to change the mechanics from the V1
prime pine
I loved the selbstladers metallic firing sound
You know after a bit from firing you hear this metallic "him"?
sick hamlet
Anywho, early Cold War would be great to see since it’s the crossover from WW2 to the modern.
tribal cairn
Imagine realistic sounds that your ears just get fucked up from shooting a shotgun inside a house
sick hamlet
You have missiles, but they’re all either semi-active or wire guided
prime pine
I just want an fg42 in a modern battlefield 
solid hinge
Hey guys, I have been playing BFV for 2 weeks or so and am trying to get the 2nd mastery on the kr98k. What would be the easiest way to do that?
Kar98k*
prime pine
What's the assignment again, retro?
wild kayak
PC BF has quickier gameplay with combat with more accurate weapons
prime pine
Cause. You can do these assignments in combined arms
sick hamlet
Early Cold War also gets you the last of the heavy tanks too in the M103, T-10, and Conqueror.
wild kayak
You can say all you want about MMGs on console. Try playing on PC first.
prime pine
All except for "do x in objective"
solid hinge
Kill 20 people in prone in 1 round
wild kayak
@solid hinge lol
solid hinge
Or 60 in total
solid carbon
Kill 20 people in prone in 1 round
@solid hinge Combined Arms
wild kayak
Shanghai is imo the worst map in ALL Battlefield games. And destroying the C tower makes it 2x better. But it's still hot garbage.
sick hamlet
It’s very doable in Breakthrough
prime pine
By the way, if I fought an mmg on pc the experience wouldn't be any different,
prime pine
@solid hinge regardless of platform you can get it done on combined arms
Also tri, YES. Dont forget about outpost though
solid carbon
Sniping in bf4 became a waste of time after they removed the marksman bonus
solid hinge
I am in the us and the breakthrough mode has almost no one playing it
prime pine
That mode is ultimate sandbox
solid hinge
Oh wait I have played combined arms once
sick hamlet
Breakthrough focuses all the action in a relatively small area while still allowing options for flanking and flexibility, and makes use of parts of the map that get ignored in Conquest when conquest turns into a merry go round
prime pine
Its like rush but except the scale is balanced for more players
And the pros of rush is that it makes you familiar with areas of maps
solid hinge
Which scenario is best in ca
sick hamlet
And unlike Rush it’s based on area control not planting a bomb
prime pine
Either of the rotterdam ones
solid hinge
Imagine realistic sounds that your ears just get fucked up from shooting a shotgun inside a house
@tribal cairn tinnitus kicks in EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
sour stratus
Ok...?
sick hamlet
Also, picture BF1 with squad call ins for gas and artillery strikes
solid hinge
I wish^
So what map is best for me
Isn't there a class that lets you call in an artillery strike with a flare gun? its like an elite class??
sick hamlet
Could even do different types of artillery strikes like a creeping barrage or hurricane bombardment.
solid hinge
Ok
solid hinge
Anyone else have rtx on?
sick hamlet
Eh, modern FG42 would be something like HCAR.
idle breach
whats that
sick hamlet
HCAR literally is a modern BAR so yeah
prime pine
Honestly if we get battle rifles back i want my fg42
idle breach
whats rtx
solid hinge
It’s raytracing
prime pine
Cause nowadays thats technically a battle rifle
sick hamlet
But there’s also the M27 IAR
solid hinge
And don’t forget to turn on dlss
sick hamlet
M27 IAR is kinda like the RPK.
solid hinge
It helps with frames
sick hamlet
It’s basically an M416 designed for sustained automatic fire.
prime pine
So basically a barrel that doesn't melt
sick hamlet
Heavy barrel and all that good stuff
idle breach
what's that for
prime pine
Ngl
idle breach
just give soldiers same gun smh
solid hinge
I will keep you guys posted on my progress
sick hamlet
I mean it’s compatible with 100-round double drums
normal raft
man i just started playing bf4 today
prime pine
Truuueeee
solid hinge
prime pine
75 is just a nice modest amount
solid hinge
That’s the trailer for the rtx release
idle breach
and carry a bullet backpack
sick hamlet
Drum mags are evil also
idle breach
magazines are stupid
uneven hollow
Indeed
sick hamlet
Straight and curved mags forever
uneven hollow
I agree with the stitch lad
sick hamlet
Drum mag heavy AF and PITA to reload
idle breach
you attach a bullet box on your gun
sick hamlet
Also pain to carry
idle breach
it makes your gun heavy, which is shit
prime pine
Yeah in reality sticks are way more convenient
uneven hollow
Like why have 2 bombshell when you can have 99 bombs or even become a bomb
idle breach
but you're gonna carry bullets anyway
uneven hollow
prime pine
Jesus fuck angra
idle breach
just fucking use ammo belts for every gun
prime pine
But the ammo gets dirty
sick hamlet
...one of the plans for the early Thompson was to have it belt-fed from a backpack.
idle breach
magazines are just inconvenient seperate bullet packaging
sinful crescent
What game you guys playing
sick hamlet
Could have a 100-round belt fed Thompson in BF1
prime pine
Im playing something
idle breach
or like idk
sinful crescent
Ok
prime pine
What if mud flies onto the ammo belt right as its being sucked in
idle breach
put some brush in the gun thing so when the bullet enter the gun it get cleaned first
like automatic car washing thing
prime pine
Right as the gun is giving the ammo belt a good suck
sick hamlet
...and when the brush gets dirty and clogged?
idle breach
uhh
uneven hollow
More brushes
prime pine
Get another brush for the dirty brush
idle breach
yeah more brush
prime pine
Always have backups
idle breach
or like
uneven hollow
Maximum 20 brushes
idle breach
make every soldier wear that brush uniform
sick hamlet
Just letting you know, the Italians tried that brush idea. Breda Mod. 30. Worst LMG ever
sick hamlet
The American Chauchat was a better gun than the Mod. 30
torpid forge
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sick hamlet
Largely because the Chauchat could actually fire in automatic. Mod. 30 more often than not was semi-auto only.
solid hinge
what is practice mode even good for
solid carbon
nothing
echo turtle
Planes
uneven hollow
Doing  shenanigans
solid hinge
yeah I am ass at planes tbh
solid carbon
Suppressor
idle breach
whats mg4
solid hinge
oh and I noticed that the m1 garand isn't even in practice mode
solid hinge
uh mg4 is a lmg
idle breach
Img?
solid hinge
your pulling my leg... right?
wild kayak
it's a MG from BF4
undone gate
battlefield hardline, the best bf
solid hinge
I have only played BFV
tulip turtle
Try BF3 and BF4 they're both great
sick hamlet
BF1 has breakthrough tho
wild kayak
BF4 is just BF3 but better
solid hinge
I like bfv cause of the wwII theme
sick hamlet
And proper Operations
wild kayak
BF1 was meh
tulip turtle
Some people may like BF3's movement better
undone gate
bf 1942 the best bf ever
wild kayak
BF 1942 is fun but unbalanced
idle breach
Hmm
undone gate
never mind
uneven hollow
So retro you like bfv because of its theme
compact fern
BF1 is pretty good, but has a low player base on pc
uneven hollow
undone gate
bf 1942 the best bf
sick hamlet
...BF1 had better balance and better maps.
uneven hollow
Does this pleases you @solid hinge
solid carbon
BF1 is pretty good, but has a low player base on pc
no lol
gray glade
the best thing about bf1942 was that it had the eastern front as well
wild kayak
BF1 was arcadey and had a low skill ceiling - it is very casual. And has TONS of cheaters.
gray glade
but the gunplay was actually really bad, even by standards back then
undone gate
and i don’t care about it
sick hamlet
No more arcadey than BF4.
sick hamlet
And the gun mechanics in BF1 were more complicated than in BF4 across the board.
wild kayak
BF4 is literally the most skill-based Battlefield in the Franchise
torpid forge
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wild kayak
and BF1 is the opposite
undone gate
bf 1 the best bf ever
solid hinge
another small reason is because I can utilize my RTX card
wild kayak
BF4 has high skill ceiling, BF1 has low skill ceiling
solid hinge
cod ww2 was crap tbh
wild kayak
in BF4 how you play matters the most
in BF1 what you pick as weapon/gadget matters the most
sick hamlet
BF1 punishes spamming shots quite severely.
wild kayak
Literally doesn't
undone gate
who want to play with me?)
wild kayak
BF1 literally encourages spamming shots
solid carbon
true
glass quail
hi
gray glade
!!lfg @undone gate
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solid hinge
the color scheme was bland and attention to detail was horrible
sick hamlet
BF1 had higher accuracy penalties on average than BF4. In large part as a way to counter the tap-fire meta of BF4.
undone gate
whooo waaant to play with meee
idle breach
bf1 was consolish
torpid forge
any help
wild kayak
Bullshit
sniper rifles with sweet spot mechanic
LMGs being more accurate in full auto
SMGs having quick TTK and neglible recoil
Assault rifles being easy to spam autorifles
tulip turtle
BF1 IMO the operations gamemode was sooooo freaking awesome but its hard to find people playing this gamemode nowadays 😦
sick hamlet
The only class that benefits from holding down the trigger is support with their increasing accuracy.
wild kayak
Every class benefits from bullet spam in BF1
sick hamlet
And keep in mind, BF2142 was the one that introduced that mechanic for LMGs
solid carbon
I think TriNova never played bf1
undone gate
WHO WANT PLAY WITH ME
solid carbon
!!lfg
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sick hamlet
Remember all that whining about “bullets not hitting what I aim at” in BF1?
solid carbon
nope
sick hamlet
That’s the accuracy penalties players weren’t adjusting to.
wild kayak
No?
undone gate
uh
solid hinge
look at that comparison
uneven hollow
Can’t you read said bot description there’s channels
undone gate
yep thx
sick hamlet
It got to the point that in the TTK overhaul for BF1 the devs outright halved the penalties for semi-autos.
wild kayak
BF1 LMGs were more accurate in full auto, medic rifles were buffed DMRs, Assault SMGs were spray n pray noobtubes, sniping became extremely casual
torpid forge
any help guys
undone gate
its the first time when i texting in dis
solid carbon
just read
solid hinge
imagine if DICE came out with a mobile....
sick hamlet
And yet, BF1 still had the best balance between classes of any modern BF iteration.
obtuse glade
If you complain about bullets not hitting it is mostly you because 90% of the time it just works for me
solid carbon
ads might help
undone gate
hey guys
wild kayak
@sick hamlet Wrong. BF1 class balance is shit
prime pine
Good day galadi
undone gate
a want to play with someone
sick hamlet
SIPS and FSM in BF1 was used to encourage controlled bursting over the previous tapfire meta.
torpid forge
need help
uneven hollow
Then go to one these channels LAD
obtuse glade
@sick hamlet Wrong. BF1 class balance is shit
@wild kayak well depends who used the class
uneven hollow
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solid carbon
a want to play with someone
@undone gate are you serious?
prime pine
What's up moot
torpid forge
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sick hamlet
I get the impression 17 hasn’t actually looked too deeply into the mechanics in question. Or the statistics.
obtuse glade
Ye
wild kayak
I have 600+ hours in BF1
Assault has best close-medium primary weapons AND pistols in addition to having best AT gadgets that are easy to abuse against infantry
obtuse glade
I have 600+ hours in BF1
@wild kayak and still bad
Lol
As a medic i fuck up 08’s all the time
And as support as well
wild kayak
@obtuse glade nice ad hominem
sick hamlet
Hm, I seem to remember the 10A for support being decried as OP. As was the RSC and Federov. Or Recon’s Martini Henry and later Vetterli
wild kayak
what are you lol
obtuse glade
Use the burton or parabellum
wild kayak
Ruski?
solid carbon
As a medic i fuck up 08’s all the time
lol are you playing on console?
wild kayak
BUrton is shit tier assault-like LMG
obtuse glade
Ruski?
@wild kayak what are you bad at the game?
sick hamlet
Or the Parabellum for Support as well
obtuse glade
BUrton is shit tier assault-like LMG
@wild kayak cus you can’t use it
without scope it's meh
@wild kayak ahahahshah
This tells me you are shit
undone gate
obtuse glade
The low weight is way better
wild kayak
@prime pine Could you please do something about him
obtuse glade
Like 100000 times
solid carbon
@obtuse glade why are you so toxic
prime pine
When. Vito. Please knock it off.
wild kayak
Just mute him for a day
obtuse glade
Cause this guy is shitting on a game because he can’t play well
sick hamlet
Suppressive only gives you a scope and that’s about it. The low weight is statistically much better
obtuse glade
Cause this guy is shitting on a game because he can’t play well
And I don’t fuck with that
I love BF1
solid carbon
madlad
obtuse glade
Probably the best battlefield
Suppressive only gives you a scope and that’s about it. The low weight is statistically much better
@sick hamlet exactly this knows what he is talking about
The recoil of the suppressive is so bad
When not bi-potted it just flies from left to right
sick hamlet
That and why are you using the Parabellum at ranges necessitating a scope to begin with?
obtuse glade
Cause I can only assume he is a camper
wild kayak
Back to the topic:
Assault has best close-medium primary weapons AND pistols in addition to having best AT gadgets that are easy to abuse against
Sniper having sweet spot mechanic - no need to aim for the head to get 1-hit kill with high muzzle velocity weapon
Medic having spammable semiauto rifle with neglible recoil and decent damage in addition to free hp regen
Support having extremely situational primary weapons and gadgets that are just Assault gadgets but weaker versions
So no, BF1 does not have decent class balance
BF4 does
solid carbon
That and why are you using the Parabellum at ranges necessitating a scope to begin with?
taking down planes, works great
wild kayak
@sick hamlet parabellum with scope is really good
obtuse glade
@wild kayak on medium range LMG’s and medic guns rain supreme ask any competent player
patent gate
Is it more useful to pick up standard version for bf 4 or the premium, does premium maps have players etc? EU PC
wild kayak
@obtuse glade btw enjoy your block
OFC LMGs with scopes are statistically less accurate
Like, literally - telescopic LMGs are less accurate
obtuse glade
Brother if you block me I don’t care cause you are salty cause you know I am right
sick hamlet
In order: arguable that Assault had best AT gadgets given the limpet for support exists. Also, Assault’s most powerful AT gadgets necessitate getting quite close to the tank. The AT rocket gun is a bit of a peashooter.
obtuse glade
Ofc assault had the best AT weapons it is literally assault
patent gate
Tag my ass if somebody answers lol
sick hamlet
Snipers sweetspot elevated them to performing on par with all the other classes. That’s no OP or broken or casual. That’s balanced. It also gave them the greatest variety of any implementation in the series.
obtuse glade
And the assault has shit pistoles btw
On top of the fact I use the peacekeeper on every class
sick hamlet
AT rocket guns could deflect quite easily and even on a good hit did 13-17 damage on the most commonly used tanks
solid carbon
@patent gate The majority is playing on vanilla maps, but there are still a few active dlc map servers (PC EU)
prime pine
St quentin scar....
obtuse glade
St Quentin is almost good on every game mode
sick hamlet
Medic semi-autos suffered quite a bit from spam firing. The only one that could be reasonably fire like a spam cannon were the M1906 and Autoloading 8. Both have five round magazines to compensate for that, and the Autoloading 8 Extended suffers from damage drop off.
patent gate
Alright, tysm! @solid carbon
obtuse glade
I still love the extended tho one of my favorite guns
solid carbon
no problem
obtuse glade
Just a better federov if you ask me
patent gate
So i won't lose that much if i pick up basic version?
solid carbon
The DLC weapons...
prime pine
St quentin and amiens are good maps
patent gate
it's late 2020 sooo kind of my fault lmao
sick hamlet
Support’s LMG were honestly all over the place in effectiveness though all were pretty effective even if the M1909 was kinda trailing behind the pack by the end.
obtuse glade
So i won't lose that much if i pick up basic version?
@patent gate you should get premium so you can get the peacekeeper
solid carbon
bf4 premium should be cheap
prime pine
The fedorov was great
sick hamlet
Plus support had shotguns.
prime pine
Good assault rifle basically
solid carbon
@obtuse glade peacekeeper in bf4, sure
patent gate
I'm talking about bf4
torpid forge
CAN I TRANSFER GAME FILE FROM ORIGIN TO STEAM
obtuse glade
The fedorov was great
@prime pine bit of a average and over used gun
@obtuse glade peacekeeper in bf4, sure
@solid carbon in BF1 ofc
prime pine
True but it did its job well
solid carbon
bruh do you even read
sick hamlet
The M1909 Telescopic was great for counter-sniping for example.
solid carbon
he asked for bf4
obtuse glade
Cool
patent gate
prime pine
I would often use telescopics in bf1 and run and gun with them cause they were just there
Naughty vito
sick hamlet
M1909 Telescopic is a deadly laser
Though the Browning telescopic kinda renders it obsolete
solid carbon
Burton incendiary 24/7 to make pilots cry
prime pine
You can call yourself a moron, a bit funnier.
wild kayak
sniper sweetspots
garbage mechanic and made snipers TOO powerful
AT rocket guns deflect easily
Wrong. They were OP and could kill infantry through walls.
Medic semi-autos suffered quite a bit from spam firing
Except the did not. They were made for spam firing.c
obtuse glade
M1909 Telescopic is a deadly laser
@sick hamlet most toxic gun to have 100 stars on since it only works if you camp
solid carbon
I wish i could ads with the Boys AT rifle
sick hamlet
Somehow I get the impression that 17 is arguing from feels. Because the statistics don’t bear out the claim that snipers were OP in BF1.
obtuse glade
I think 17 has never played the game correctly in his life lmao
patent gate
btw bf4 premium still 40 euros
obtuse glade
Somehow I get the impression that 17 is arguing from feels. Because the statistics don’t bear out the claim that snipers were OP in BF1.
@sick hamlet ikr
patent gate
Ya lol if the majority plays vanilla and dlc guns aren't that good then maybe standard is better
Both
sick hamlet
Oh no. AT rocket gun can kill infantry through walls. Just like any other AT launcher since the transition to frostbite
solid carbon
oof
worthy hatch
guys im facing a bug with the aim in bf4 its so crazy
obtuse glade
Pretty sure 17 just got killed by a 100 star 08 and started complaining here
prime pine
You can blow people from the other side of the wall with rocket luanchers
worthy hatch
i cant upload the video
prime pine
You can share by link
sick hamlet
17 pretending SIPS and FSM weren’t massively increased from BF4 to BF1 to nerf spam firing.
obtuse glade
You can blow people from the other side of the wall with rocket luanchers
@prime pine exactly I kill so many campers with it I love it just don’t camp won’t get wall banged
solid carbon
what kind of aim bug is it?
prime pine
Guys please.
obtuse glade
I think 17 gave up as he saw he was wrong
solid carbon
Dice please.
sick hamlet
Also pretending that recoil recovery in BF1 wasn’t slower than BF4.
worthy hatch
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xb0ZxUe8yaY if anyone knows how to fix pls share
sour stratus
What on earth is going on
prime pine
Its satisfying shooting at walls with a tank and killing the guy at the other side,
Please, leave him alone,
solid carbon
@worthy hatch It's not your dpi right? 
obtuse glade
1 is boring
@sour stratus opinions are fine but spreading wrong information isn’t
prime pine
I didn't have as much with 1 in comparison to bf5 but ultimately I can respect it
sour stratus
What info
obtuse glade
Especially not about such a master piece
worthy hatch
@solid carbon yea but im facing the same
prime pine
The gunplay was real iffy
sour stratus
I missed do much
solid carbon
No, what's your dpi?
worthy hatch
240 ithink
queen canopy
Gunplay was fun in BF1...up until I played BFV and realized I kinda despised BF1's.
obtuse glade
“Btw I was the 100 star 08 who killed 17”
prime pine
Yeah gecko same here
I accepted it
But I then realised how less enjoyable it was to 5's
sick hamlet
Best part? BF1 guns often have less spread than their rough BF4 counterparts but punish sustained fire more.
obtuse glade
Well I don’t mind the gunplay in 1 but I can see how you can see that tho
queen canopy
It didn't help that BF1 was my first BF title, I just kinda took it as status quo
sick hamlet
Which is why a burst fired Automatico can compete at medium range.
obtuse glade
Which is why a burst fired Automatico can compete at medium range.
@sick hamlet depends how competent the target is
wild kayak
Support LMGs in BF1 were decent, though not as good as in BF4
BF4 premium should be cheap
Agreed
Federov was great
It was the ultimate noobtube, 0 recoil spray and pray for medic
I would often use telescopics in bf1 and run and gun with them cause they were just there
Can't do that on PC IN THE SLIGHTEST. BF1 guns have different stats on console and on PC. On PC bullets go all over the place, can't even shoot at 5m
Burton incendiary 24/7 to make pilots cry
Agreed. The only good and the only acceptable use of Burton
BF1 snipers aren't really that OP. Assault and Medics are.
BF1 is a decent game but after 600h+ for me it became just boring. The skill ceiling is too low. The game is too arcade-y
patent gate
SMG 08 Is ridiculous
obtuse glade
Keeps changing his opinion
wild kayak
SMG 08 lol
obtuse glade
wild kayak
yeah that was cancer
patent gate
It's just free kills
prime pine
Smg08 go brr
queen canopy
Burton was fun to use
patent gate
0 skill required
obtuse glade
SMG 08 Is ridiculous
@patent gate got exactly 10000 kills
prime pine
As hated as that was, fuck I cant deny what it could do
queen canopy
SMG 08 somehow out-hellriegeled the hellriegel
wild kayak
Yeah
obtuse glade
0 skill required
@patent gate well many people say that but there is a difference between an good 08 player and a bad one
prime pine
It was basically big mag automatico with overheat which was actually pretty good
patent gate
Hellriegel 1915 was also good when the game launched haha
wild kayak
smg 08/18 was spray'n'pray I-don't-like-aiming machine
patent gate
Ofc, there is with every gun @obtuse glade
sick hamlet
Only thing Hellriegel had going for it was a big mag at launch.
patent gate
Im just saying its easy for everyone
prime pine
Then the defensive variant came out and that just had an even bigger mag
obtuse glade
I am an 08 main atleast was
sick hamlet
Defensive variant has atrocious recoil and accuracy though.
Only useable bipoded really
prime pine
Its weird, as much as I should hate it. I can respect it.
queen canopy
But it had a bipod
prime pine
The 08
obtuse glade
The 08
@prime pine I do respect it as well since after 90 stars it got so boring
patent gate
Same aswell because what else can you do but when 20+ players use it in a full lobby it is pretty boring lol
prime pine
I dont mind a gun in what it can do
sick hamlet
MP18 burst fire was hilarious though.
obtuse glade
Can’t imagine using it for 50000 kills
sick hamlet
Nobody expects the MP18 Experimental
prime pine
Oh the springfield experimental
Actually Vito I aim to get 50 k with the fg42
Maybe
obtuse glade
I only occasionally pick up the 08 optical to deal with sweats
sick hamlet
Or the demon that is the M1912.P16 Experimental
queen canopy
Burst fire MP-18 
obtuse glade
Actually Vito I aim to get 50 k with the fg42
@prime pine my friend has 50k on the peacekeeper
obtuse glade
He is going for 69420
patent gate
Model 10-A Hunter still the best haha
obtuse glade
Talk about dedicated
@prime pine I’ll send you the screen and you post it here
wild kayak
as a 'hardened' defensive Support player, these are my BF1 lmg tiers: https://i.imgur.com/zUODjIq.png
queen canopy
@solid hinge No info yet, unfortunately
solid hinge
Sigh
prime pine
Sometime during nov
solid hinge
Thanks
wild kayak
@solid hinge This month
queen canopy
No official info at least, but definitely coming very soon
sour stratus
It comes out this month lul
solid hinge
But no date yet
queen canopy
They've been releasing updates and doing maintenance explicitly in preparation for the update
No, no date or details yet
solid hinge
Prolly gonna b shit then
sour stratus
Probably last half of November
solid hinge
If it was good they would advertise it
sour stratus
Nice optimism
solid hinge
Cant be optimistic with bf5 lol
Or youll end up like the people who seriously thought we'd get a soviet dlc
queen canopy
k
prime pine
@obtuse glade 's friends killcount
solid hinge
Jesus
sour stratus
What the fu
obtuse glade
He is call Muff
obtuse glade
But his Xbox is Oreo77223
patent gate
Jesus christ lol that's some dedication right there
brave dock
@prime pine cool
queen canopy
fastest hand in the west
obtuse glade
Jesus christ lol that's some dedication right there
@patent gate he is going for 69420
prime pine
Jesus fuck
patent gate
What if he accidentally kills one too more ?
obtuse glade
We can only assume he is number 1 in the world
queen canopy
he gets a double collateral at 69419 
patent gate
Ya then that's a RIP
obtuse glade
What if he accidentally kills one too more ?
@patent gate that would be what I can only describe as shattering of the universe
But we will prob do a trick shot for the final kill
patent gate
And a collat
obtuse glade
I am more of a melee guy
Trying to get number 1 on Xbox with the yatagan
I am like 50 kills off
patent gate
Better hit a huge flank then
obtuse glade
I did on ops
patent gate
It's so satisfying to chain melee takedowns
obtuse glade
Wait I’ll send you a screenshot
prime pine
Im trying to hit top in the world with the hachiwari
And then when done ill be using the burned plank again
worthy hatch
seems that bug cant be fixed ?
queen canopy
what
worthy hatch
360 spun in bf4
obtuse glade
:yeppers:
obtuse glade
I got if for “free” with live gold
obtuse glade
A WHILE ago
edgy tangle
haha thats why alot of my xbox friends have it
obtuse glade
I think like end 2018 beginning 2019
crimson blaze
what sniper is most worth maxing out in BF5
sour stratus
Tanks
queen canopy
Kar98K and Krag-Jørgensen seem to be the go to's @crimson blaze
crimson blaze
Been doing the Krag lately thats what i figured, thanks
worthy hatch
if anyone found a fix pls ping me
solid hinge
Is the p08 carbine a "noob gun"
queen canopy
Nah not really
solid hinge
ok
queen canopy
I mean the mag size is a bit spammy but it’s not bad
dense bone
why use p08c when you can use trench and just hold down to click?
queen canopy
That’s true, full auto is pretty nice
dense bone
literally the only pro for p08c atm is that it takes 1 less bullet to kill at 100m or something stupid
dense bone
its like a lvl 4 spec to go full auto
wild kayak
@solid hinge anything that has '08' in the name is a noob gun
prime pine
@solid hinge trenchie boy gets a full auto upgrade, turning it into a ghetto submachine gun
solid hinge
ok
prime pine
While ghetto sounds bad, its actually quite good!
dense bone
its rather weak honestly, BUT it does give recon a close range option
prime pine
Yeah
solid hinge
So should I continue with my kar98k
wild kayak
kar is a good choice for long range sniping
solid hinge
ok
dense bone
trench is PTFO recon, kar is camp the point recon
prime pine
It depends, id say play with the trenchie boy and enjoy yourself retro
wild kayak
defend the point recon*
prime pine
Cause its a fun gun!
dense bone
i personally really like the trench/p08c
dense bone
you dont make sense
wild kayak
^^
queen canopy
I don’t really use either
opal apex
Anyone know where I can get get some support?
wild kayak
Camping = hidden and waiting for the enemy to pass by in relatively close distance
Defending = either concealed or exposed firing at any enemy that attacks
queen canopy
@opal apex what kind?
prime pine
Yeah what kind of support, fox?
prime pine
Oh that's because of the banlist
queen canopy
You’re probably playing back to basics. Only bolt action rifles are allowed on that mode
wild kayak
Either Back 2 Basics mode OR someone's custom server
That feeling when EA Support is stronger than BFV Support
queen canopy
BFV support stronk
queen canopy
You just have to have more than 3 brain cells to use it effectively
prime pine
Don't give in gecko
queen canopy
Pff I wreck assaults regularly
prime pine
By the way gecko, I always see your pfp as an axolotl not a gecko
wild kayak
On PC or console?
prime pine
He never said they aren't
sour stratus
The drilling
prime pine
To be fair grav shotguns as a whole are hyper aggro close quarters weapons
wild kayak
I just wish the 'horned' sights didn't have horns
queen canopy
Oh don’t start with “yOu CoUlnDT dO tHaT On pC, cOnSoLe pLaYErS aRe DuMb”. 75% of the clips I see have just as brain dead players as PC.
prime pine
Model 37, 12g auto, etc
wild kayak
the tiny point would be enough
sour stratus
But the drilling has better range for its pellets
prime pine
it just works
wild kayak
@queen canopy I never said that. The gameplay on console is kinda different and it allows MG gunners to flourish much more.
queen canopy
It’s really not different though
wild kayak
People having slower reactions, seeing less (FoV), potentially weapons having different stats (like in BF1)
It is
prime pine
Dude you can change your fov on console too
wild kayak
I bet it's like BF1 where people use less semiautos and more SMGs/ARs on console
queen canopy
Weapons have same stats across platforms here, and yeah you can change FOV
wild kayak
@prime pine Yeah but how many people do that
queen canopy
There’s zero difference
prime pine
Theres no way to know, how do you know that people change their fov on pc
sour stratus
I change the fov in like every game
dawn hull
Guys, should I get my license plate changed this year to "DICEPLZ"
prime pine
The only way I know despite what I said is the part of the community im connected to, they have their fov's upscaled,
wild kayak
People buy consoles because they don't feel like messing with all the 'complexity'. So I assume they don't bother digging around options too much either
sour stratus
It's one of my first priorities
prime pine
Yes you should actually dj
wild kayak
Especially the most casual players
worthy hatch
who guys r helping here
prime pine
Thats actually a cool idea, dj
split bolt
Hello guys
sour stratus
I'm as casual as you can get and I change my fov
prime pine
Good day sleepy!
wild kayak
also it looks really funny watching console gameplay
queen canopy
@wild kayak you assume, but it’s just not true to how people actually play lmao
wild kayak
people running around like lemmings
prime pine
Everyone runs around like lemmings lmao
wild kayak
@queen canopy ok lmao
queen canopy
I see the same thing in PC clips lol
prime pine
People are just as dumb as they are on pc
wild kayak
Alright. Play on PC and show me how you 'rekt assaults all the time' and then we'll talk. Thank you.
prime pine
LMAO
sour stratus
You can't take granted that a certain part of the player base does this or that
It's such a dumb assumption
prime pine
Assaults are no different to fight from the rest
obtuse glade
Ah yes it’s 17 the pro league player who knows best
prime pine
Jesus fuck
queen canopy
Or you could just put more than 2 seconds into learning the strengths and weaknesses of support? Christ
wild kayak
I'm not close minded. I just would genuinely like to see how a 'pro' player rekts assaults with MMGs
queen canopy
Give it a try for yourself then, since you know so much lul
obtuse glade
Or you could just put more than 2 seconds into learning the strengths and weaknesses of support? Christ
@queen canopy say to him the parabellum is basically the smg 08
prime pine
You can actually use good guns instead of mmgs
wild kayak
I did.
sour stratus
Dude you just use it one round and make conclusions already
wild kayak
No, I do not
obtuse glade
Dude you just use it one round and make conclusions already
@sour stratus he does
wild kayak
I have maxed out many support weapons, including MMGs
brave coral
@sour stratus
gets a single kill with the M2
"yep this is OP as fuck"
wild kayak
In fact, I play Support the most
wild kayak
On console.
brave coral
oh yes because nothing transfers between platforms
echo turtle
Maxing out guns isn't hard to do
wild kayak
I'm not a newbie to BFV
left whale
can you stop
brave coral
dream dream me knobs fallen off stop the recording
wild kayak
I already have 125h in
prime pine
Oops
sour stratus
125 isn't nothing lmao
obtuse glade
I am back
wild kayak
Maining Support in both games
obtuse glade
Lol
gilded zenith
What do hours even mean on games
brave coral
well clearly just as stuff doesnt transfer between platforms, it doesnt transfer between games either right?
prime pine
Pigeon is back
wild kayak
@gilded zenith it says how many hours you've spent in game
prime pine
500 in bf4, 500 in bfh, 500 in bf1 and 2250 in bf5.
gilded zenith
Wasted you mean
brave coral
or do you maintain a solid 0.36 kpm on other games as well?
wild kayak
Yeah, playing Battlefield is wasting time
👏🏻
We better delete this Discord guys.
lol
obtuse glade
or do you maintain a solid 0.36 kpm on other games as well?
@brave coral LMAO
prime pine
Cause why?
wild kayak
🤷🏻
obtuse glade
This guy making statements with these stats
wild kayak
So I believe I have a pretty decent idea on how to compare Support between those 3 games
Also @prime pine how much of that on PC?
prime pine
I dont have a pc for obvious reasons lol
brave coral
bro we get it, you play with a mouse in your butthole
left whale
btw i have deleted the post
sour stratus
@obtuse glade should I download 1 again?
prime pine
The spam post?
obtuse glade
Fuck yeah
left whale
yeah
prime pine
Good work
left whale
you know what he left the server
gilded zenith
Is this some console vs pc fight
obtuse glade
@obtuse glade should I download 1 again?
@sour stratus and get the peacekeeper it’s worth it
wild kayak
Well then I'm glad that you - unlike me - are doing well with MMGs on long range and stuff
sour stratus
It's gonna be a little bit of pain
obtuse glade
Who cares
sour stratus
But I can try
obtuse glade
It’s worth it
wild kayak
But I'm afraid we play in different environments
prime pine
I've played enough of the game to understand the differences in the environments.
wild kayak
You have not played on PC, though.
prime pine
True, but my closest friends with all the trust I have in the world do.
wild kayak
@scenic beacon Care to show me how you play with MMGs on PC?
scenic beacon
if i can find my account and clips yeah
wild kayak
Any gameplay of MMGs being used in medium-long range on PC
brave coral
literally just point and shoot it aint hard
gilded zenith
Yea
brave coral
even a console peasant like myself can understand that
prime pine
Getting a long range kill is easy, I can even grab a xim and the result won't be different.
scenic beacon
almost no difference between pc and console except input method and player movement. it's not hard honestly
uneven hollow
Unless
prime pine
Mostly on snap aim
scenic beacon
turn mine off, it's bad in practice
wild kayak
@uneven hollow
scenic beacon
pulls me off who i want to shoot at
prime pine
Yeah zoom snap is turned off
prime pine
Its not hard to shoot at distant targets, its not hard to use your eyes
wild kayak
I sometimes twitch, but rarely
prime pine
I can grab a browning and snipe people using the irons, its easy.
wild kayak
I am actually used to long range gunning
prime pine
And I barely use mmgs
brave coral
especially as the pc gods typically sit closer to their screen
wild kayak
@prime pine show me on PC pls
prime pine
Yeah I know right dr
Your supposed to have the advantage on pc when it comes to aiming and sight
gilded zenith
especially as the pc gods typically sit closer to their screen
@brave coral well it helps them see
prime pine
Literally dude
scenic beacon
i use a controller on both for the most part since my keyboard is a little iffy, but i don't have problems gunning with my mouse at all
gilded zenith
You do get alot of eye strain from it but
split bolt
fuck snipers
all my homies love machine guns
brave coral
i like how this guy's only argument for everything is 'yeah but im a pc player' and if you are a pc player he demands the right to be shown clips
wild kayak
With enough effort you could counter snipers with MGs in BF4 and BF1
scenic beacon
and V
scenic beacon
my longest headshot is with my mg42
wild kayak
Once a sniper sees you in BFV, u r fukkd because lack of suppression or scope
prime pine
I cant remember how I got my longest shot
brave coral
Show us clips of your magnificent aim, of your good eyes
@prime pine laughs in 10% accuracy
prime pine
Oh nooo dr my bren D :
wild kayak
You could always try spamming them with bullets but the sniper would need to be really bad not to get you
sour stratus
My longest shot was with a tiger barrel
wild kayak
since you are literally stationary
scenic beacon
i don't need accuracy with a 250 belt lol, 16.35 bullets a second usually does the trick
brave coral
or maybe the gunner needs to be really bad not to get the sniper?
prime pine
Jeez grav, I wonder what happened to guy you killed 
wild kayak
@scenic beacon I would unsarcastically love to see that
obtuse glade
or maybe the gunner needs to be really bad not to get the sniper?
@brave coral ma man 17 can’t use any weapon type even tho he claims some of them are OP
obtuse glade
That right there is topkek my son
sour stratus
Pepekek
obtuse glade
1907mg is the most disgusting weapon
I used to have a friend but I found he had 100 stars on that blocked
brave coral
nah the m1907 sf in bfv
prime pine
Actually Vito want to see a bren snipe?
scenic beacon
@wild kayak literally just tap 4 at a time lol
prime pine
Im actually quite proud of it
wild kayak
I tried. And I hit every bullet. And I got sniped.
left whale
1917