battlefield-legacy-titles

[glad forge]

Etc

Etc

[midnight ether]

afghan russian is 80s

[fervent rune]

Bay of pigs invasion

[midnight ether]

actually nvm

[fervent rune]

Dang

Would be very cool

[uneven hollow]

Of course some people will only remember Vietnam due to America’s defeat and not remember other said battles

[glad forge]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_conflicts_related_to_the_Cold_War

[midnight ether]

lmao im not gonna delve into politics but give me one war america won after WW2

0

[glad forge]

List of wars in the cold war

[merry marsh]

idk

[glad forge]

Lots of wars

[midnight ether]

they always show up late and act tough

[glad forge]

That would ne amazing

[uneven hollow]

Vietnam didn’t happens So therefore we won

[glad forge]

B r u h

[merry marsh]

America always takes the most credits

[glad forge]

Vietnam war was in the cold war

[merry marsh]

despite showing up like a year or 2 before the war ends

[midnight ether]

id love a soviet-afghan BF

[glad forge]

Cold war era will be amazing

[midnight ether]

AK jihadi

[merry marsh]

Cold war is somewhat modern

yeah

[uneven hollow]

Indeed

[midnight ether]

i imagine a afghan on a horse with a AK that he stole from a dead russian soldier and screaming while charging

[glad forge]

Vietnam war Arab-Israeli war and korean war will probably be my favourite

[midnight ether]

OH

id love a arab-isreali one

[glad forge]

Sorry if i triggered u

Cus ur middle eastern

Right?

[midnight ether]

lol why did you trigger me ?

[glad forge]

I mean

U said that ur middle eastern

[midnight ether]

yea

but how am i triggered lol i dont understand

[uneven hollow]

So some wars where America won

[glad forge]

@midnight ether just forget it

[uneven hollow]

Vietnam but from an alternative perspective

[midnight ether]

if they add a arab-isreal war and not add my country id be super pissed lmao

[glad forge]

Whats ur country??

[midnight ether]

Kuwait

[glad forge]

Hmmm

[midnight ether]

small but did some serious damage :P

mostly artillery

[glad forge]

According to Wikipedia

Kuwait did some damage

But egypt did most

Idrc

[midnight ether]

yea because egypt was attacking isreal and kuwait helped

because isreal was invading sina

[glad forge]

But it would be awesome if they put in the cold war era

I am not a historian so i am not sure

[midnight ether]

although it is a long shot but you did make me happy thinking about it lol

[glad forge]

Lol good for u!

[midnight ether]

secretly wishes if a dice dev is watching silently and taking notes

[glad forge]

Yea

[midnight ether]

actually wait nvm no dont make one

not after the historic fiasco they did with BF5

bf5?

yikes

if you can refund it honestly

buy bf1

[uneven hollow]

Year 2 is still the same as regular

Difference is you need to buy said guns with cc

You can send a link

To said picture

[jade canopy]

Just finished the last war story (The Last Tiger).... that was emotional .-.

[brave garnet]

I only felt bad for the tank

[merry marsh]

Kurtz....

[uneven hollow]

Best dude kurts

[brave garnet]

Its Kertz btw

[midnight ether]

is every war story different ?

[brave garnet]

Yes

[midnight ether]

or does it follow up ?

[brave garnet]

They don't follow up

They're in different years tho

1942 Under No Flag: North Africa
1943 Nordlys(Northern Lights): Norway
1944 Tirailleur: Southern France
1945 The Last Tiger: Rheinland, DE

@midnight ether

[uneven hollow]

Tbh would’ve been noice to see Italy and France tho

[merry marsh]

Italy very ineffective during ww2

[uneven hollow]

True but still they had their moments

Even France

Doesn’t matter if those two are eh but would have interesting maps

Said guns perhaps

And especially the meme tanks for both sides

[boreal moon]

bruh moment

[merry marsh]

really wanted to play bc2

but the game's dead

[west marlin]

Fight in France but there is no French army

[boreal moon]

did they really say that we didnt think women in ww2 was a "plausible" idea lmao

[uneven hollow]

Fight where there’s Italians but no Italians

[west marlin]

yes

[fervent rune]

@uneven hollow someone need to post that video on youtube

[west marlin]

Battlefield V had a lot of possibilities

[uneven hollow]

I mean probably not

For safety from the redditers

Hence it came from that dark place

[fervent rune]

Oh

Reddit...

[uneven hollow]

They’ll feast on them saying
ThEy sToLe iT fRoM rEdDiT

[fervent rune]

2nd worst shithole of all time

[boreal moon]

they cared too much about potential backlash from controversial topics and successfully made a ww2 game that has nothing to do with ww2

[fervent rune]

^

[boreal moon]

if they simply did what they did for battlefield one, nitty, gritty, realistic and historically accurate "to a decent extent", it coulda been there best ever

[fervent rune]

Especially ww2

[boreal moon]

ESPECIALLY ww2

I mean how do you fuck up ww2

[uneven hollow]

Indeed especially WW2

[fervent rune]

They had a lot of weapons in ww1

But they experimented more weapons in ww2

[uneven hollow]

Tbh I like the sniper decoys in bf1 than bfv

[brave garnet]

Heads on a stick

[fervent rune]

Isn't it just the same thing?

[uneven hollow]

Like it’s simple and noice

[boreal moon]

nah there way more creepy

[uneven hollow]

A stick and a helmet from bf1

[fervent rune]

Well i never use a decoy

[uneven hollow]

Not that weird body creature in bfv

[boreal moon]

creepy as manakin

[fervent rune]

[uneven hollow]

Tbh that stick on a helmet can be noice for any said faction

German has stick and German helmet and etc for said faction

Stonks

[brave garnet]

That's a thing that soldiers in treches would do, put a helmet on a stick, and slowly wave around at the top of the trench

[fervent rune]

At least they got that accurate

[west marlin]

Battlefield 6 : Metro edition

🙂

[brave garnet]

Tanks included

[uneven hollow]

And helis and jets

[brave garnet]

And jets

[uneven hollow]

A battlefield game where all the maps are subways from across the globe and different eras

[west marlin]

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/battlefield/images/2/20/BF3_Operation_Metro.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20111014115034

i love this map

[fervent rune]

Do people really play bf1 war stories?

I never really play them

[uneven hollow]

It’s pretty good

[fervent rune]

You just creep around the enemy's bases, kill them all one by one

Repeat

[brave garnet]

Storm of Steel is amazing (don't skip the cutscenes)

[fervent rune]

Either you're told to destroy something or retrieve something

[boreal moon]

I enjoyed the story's and cinematic atmosphere

gameplay wise, just play multiplayer

[west marlin]

The bf5 war stories is nice

[fervent rune]

Bfv war stories?

[uneven hollow]

French and German war stories are indeed noice

[fervent rune]

I only like tirailleur and the last tiger

Nordyls is just illogical bs

And very disrespectful

[brave garnet]

I liked Nordlys and Last Tiger a little bit, I only cared for the tank

[west marlin]

Last tiger , prologue and nordlys is very nice

[fervent rune]

Prologue is good

[brave garnet]

I just love tanks so much

[west marlin]

yeah

[brave garnet]

They're so cute

[fervent rune]

But imagine we play as a German pilot

[brave garnet]

Ew

No

[uneven hollow]

That crying German solider in bf1 in the prolog is the big man himself with the little mustache

[fervent rune]

We only play as a German pilot for 1 minute or so

[brave garnet]

Oh yea

The PTSD

[west marlin]

https://3images.cgames.de/images/gamestar/226/battlefield-5_6052202.jpg

this moment

[brave garnet]

In BF1 you see lots of soldiers with PTSD

[uneven hollow]

The German leader man behind the slaughter

Should’ve killed him to prevent bfv

[brave garnet]

Lmao

I don't do that

[tardy pasture]

Anyone play bad company 2 anymore?

[brave garnet]

There still are server for that game

I think

[wild jacinth]

This guy i played with said he gotta go cause he gotta make a sandwich for his kid

then he goes and joins some other squad

i que for match and they only have 3 people so i get qued with him and other people he's with...

[glad forge]

Who saw the clip from the EA play???

Event

I thinm bf6 is going to be in ww2

[brave garnet]

Its not

[uneven hollow]

It was reused assets

[icy sluice]

We don't know anything, and it's also not too far-fetched considering we got like 5-6 Modern Games in a row

[tardy pasture]

Oh lord they would never make bf6 wwii

[uneven hollow]

Tbh wouldn’t mind it tbh

[brazen bobcat]

hope Bf6 is modern or Vietnam

[tardy pasture]

Modern pleeeease

[brazen bobcat]

1 and V got way to boring not enough 2 play 4

[tardy pasture]

Bf3 and bf4 and bc2 are the best bf games by far and a lot of that is due to them being modern

[brazen bobcat]

yep

[brave garnet]

If they did make BF6 a WW2 game, imagine it be a remake of BFV just without women and Solveig gets replaced by a male character

[boreal moon]

or maybe they actually make a ww2 game about ww2, you know, germans, ss, hatler

[brave garnet]

Like BFV

[icy sluice]

They're probably going to keep women through the future of the franchise just like Call of Duty and... Technically Halo

[boreal moon]

nothing like bfv

[unborn forum]

I can guarantee you the next game will be modern

Ww2 probably won’t be back for a good 10 years if ever

[icy sluice]

Personally, I don't give a damn about the Era as I like them all... I focus on map design, gameplay feel, music and graphics

So far Battlefield 2 and some of Bad Company 2 are the only Modern Games that have decent music

[brave garnet]

I only care about one thing....

Tanks

[split plank]

^^

I want them to keep a similar style of music in the next BF

Maybe add a little electric noise like BF2 did

[icy sluice]

I was very against the dubstep/electronic vibes BF3 and BF4 came with

A little is okay like how it's present in BFV's Classic Theme a bit

[split plank]

Yeah

And the current composer is amazing

[midnight ether]

for some odd reason BF5 isnt detecting my mouse buttons 4/5 :/

[brave garnet]

Lol

Nice

[midnight ether]

thank you EA very nice

[icy sluice]

I know people use Mouse 4 and 5, might wanna Google your problem or look at Support.

[boreal moon]

I think the bf3 electronic vibe is most iconic, obviously next to the BF1 theme which became instantly iconic

[icy sluice]

Honestly, as much as I like Seven Nation Army, it does NOT fit World War I at all.

[glad forge]

Indeed

[icy sluice]

I feel like I am gonna play CoD Infinite Warfare with that song

[brave garnet]

Lmao

[boreal moon]

nah, cod music is like some hip-hop/rap music

[icy sluice]

The remix of the song that is

The Remix that was made of that song fits that though.

[solid hinge]

The thing I like most about a BF game is feel, like it’s very realistic and you feel like you are in a battle

The sound design is super important in that

[wild jacinth]

seven nation army?

i dont get it what do you mean?

[brazen bobcat]

the song

[glad forge]

The name of the sound track

[wild jacinth]

oh

you dont like the sound track in bf1?

[boreal moon]

I thought they made it fit perfectly

[wild jacinth]

ah

[glad forge]

It is perfect

It fits fine

[wild jacinth]

yeah it good

like the one with the lady singing

that one good

[glad forge]

But it also doesn't give that ww1 feel

[icy sluice]

I personally don't think that song fits the game at all

[wild jacinth]

doesnt give ww1 feel

[icy sluice]

( Seven Nation Army )

[tough lodge]

any support mains in chat

[wild jacinth]

um idk what is ww1 suppose to sound like

[brave garnet]

@tough lodgeme

[icy sluice]

I was a support main in Battlefield 1, now I am a Recon Main in V

[brave garnet]

I have like 16 days as support

[boreal moon]

I love it, its deep, gritty, loud rough percussions, really something

[icy sluice]

and I am starting to fly a bit more now https://streamable.com/qax6kh

This is the only Battlefield where I started to fly after like 18 fuckin' years of me playing this series

[tough lodge]

Guys

Should i use glide bomb now

[icy sluice]

I still haven't tried it sadly

[boreal moon]

I dont bother, the arcade feel throws me off, ive played too much arma

[tough lodge]

I just hear it's really bad before but DICE buffed it

what

[brave garnet]

What

[tough lodge]

[boreal moon]

hugs?

[tough lodge]

[brave garnet]

Hug a tank

I also kiss them

[uneven hollow]

I kinda kiss tank

With a plane of course

[boreal moon]

maybe with a lunge mine, which I think is the worst feature ever put in a game lmao

[icy sluice]

Lunge Mine is top

It's a bayonet charge with an explosion at the end of it

[boreal moon]

that dosnt kill you, just seems a bit much

[brave garnet]

Lunge mine would be more like tickling rather than hugging

[icy sluice]

It does 50 damage to you and puts you onto your back

[brave garnet]

Hugging is with a blowtorch

[tough lodge]

It does 50 damage to you and puts you onto your back
@icy sluice
20*

it only does 20 self damage

[boreal moon]

still, an explosion that takes out a tank yet deals 50 to you, keep in mind your litterely holding it with a 2 foot stick lol

20, even worse

[tough lodge]

if you manage to destroy the tank then there is a chance you also die

[brave garnet]

FOR THE EMPEROR!

[tough lodge]

Yes I scream that

Everytime

[brave garnet]

dies

[tough lodge]

"Tenno heika banzai"

[icy sluice]

In Japanese or...? :p

[tough lodge]

The japanese ofc

Idc who hears me in the cafe

[brave garnet]

I always yell Come here little tank

Ima tickle ur pickle

[tough lodge]

I only have the lunge mine on my japanese faction

[merry marsh]

I was watching a youtube video and a quote showed up saying "A delayed game is eventually good. But a rushed game is forever bad."

[tough lodge]

I iuse faction correct loadouts

[merry marsh]

lol fits the description of bfv

[tough lodge]

That quote is from the nintendo ceo i think?

[merry marsh]

Shigeru something

[tough lodge]

Also, BFV has been delayed for many times

[merry marsh]

idk but it saw it and instantly thought up of bfv

yeah but like

[tough lodge]

So it's a good gme

[merry marsh]

bfv was both delayed and rushed

It lacked content

[tough lodge]

Imagine fucking up a WW2 game

[merry marsh]

A mediocre game

[tough lodge]

[merry marsh]

[tough lodge]

Almost every WW2 game in history has been some sort of successful

[full cloud]

Imagine having a fan base hate the game you created

I feel bad for Dice

[brave garnet]

I don't hate the game

[tough lodge]

COD WW2's multiplayer was wack. The reason people still bought it is because the single player is not politically correct

[full cloud]

I got that shit for free haha

[tough lodge]

Correction*

[icy sluice]

@tough lodge Technically true and not... there's that one meaningless anger between a black guy and a white guy... and then something stupid happens which makes them act friendly to each other... idk

[brave garnet]

confused tank noises

[tough lodge]

idk. I never played the whole campaign. But I just like the atmosphere especially the first section

I just played like halfway through

[icy sluice]

Probably shouldn't have started with D-Day tbh, maybe training at HQ or on the ship or something

[glad forge]

https://youtu.be/kuGU_Y1-ZZ8

[tough lodge]

COD is always lacking pacific theatre

Only COD WAW had it

[glad forge]

Footage from EA play

Ik

[tough lodge]

Im just thankful we got pacific in BFV

[glad forge]

I mean yea

[tough lodge]

but also wish they made my country's capital as a map. The reason it's not talked much about is because it was overshadowed by Iwo Jima

We could have gotten a pacific urban map

[glad forge]

But EA/dice are confusing the soldiers running are from ww2 and the building collapsing is in modern time am really confused

[boreal moon]

I get wanting to go for "less known" stuff and try and spice it up, but really just stay with the iconic stuff, I woulda loved to see pearl harbor in bfv, or other iconic battles

[tough lodge]

It's just reused assets

Nothing special

[icy sluice]

I mean, that segment was mostly talking about Next-Gen and how things are going to be changing

[tough lodge]

Why would you make new assets just for a tech demo

[merry marsh]

Imagine nanking in bfv

[icy sluice]

Battlefield being one of the only series that went through all of the generations... and uhh...

not Madden

[uneven hollow]

I do scream for the emperor when in planes

[tough lodge]

Imagine if they did this "unknown battles" correct

They shouldnt have made this chronological thing

By chapter 4 it was out the window

[uneven hollow]

Indeed

[midnight ether]

I do scream for the emperor when in planes
@uneven hollow BANZAAAAAI

[uneven hollow]

Some brits v japs would be lovely

[merry marsh]

bro that got me thinking

[tough lodge]

If they made this unknown battles. Battle of Manila could have been a great example

[glad forge]

Who thinks bf6 will be in the past

[boreal moon]

I just want something I can clearly recognize, I wanna live the history I was taught

[uneven hollow]

Indeed for the emperor @midnight ether

[merry marsh]

Imagine japanese soldiers actually sreamming banzai when you bayonet charge

It'd be so cool

[tough lodge]

Both Battles of Iwo Jima and Manila happened at the same time. Iwo Jima is more popular

[jade canopy]

If they add a Mr. Miyagi veteran skin I would fall in love with BFV

Or a hacksaw ridge map

[tough lodge]

They probably planned okinawa at some time in development

[jade canopy]

But sadly I heard that there’s no further support for BFV

[tough lodge]

Look at misaki's melee

It was called Okinawa Machete

Then they renamed it Combat Machete

[glad forge]

But hey Look at the bright side

[jade canopy]

Oo

[icy sluice]

I still like the outfits in the game.

[glad forge]

Bf6 is unknows

Unknown*

[icy sluice]

I've taken more pictures in this game than any other :p

[glad forge]

Lmao

Why doe?

[icy sluice]

Because it's fun

[glad forge]

S u r e

https://youtu.be/kuGU_Y1-ZZ8

Soldiers are in ww2

Buildings are in modern time

Am confused

[jade canopy]

It’s hard for me to time a picture during game time

[icy sluice]

Yeah you linked this earlier :p

[glad forge]

Well

[icy sluice]

That part was mostly just to focus on technological advances coming with Next-Gen not entirely focusing on Battlefield and what's to come.

[glad forge]

Oohhh

Well

I mean

The building is in modern time

[icy sluice]

They used Battlefield because there were games previous-gen, current gen and they're planning on making one for next gen.

Also everything can be a placeholder for now

[glad forge]

Yea

Ur right

I guess

Could these be a hints????

If bf6 is in modern time or ww2???

[icy sluice]

One can only speculate

[uneven hollow]

Chichi Jima when

[jade canopy]

I think it would be modern

[tough lodge]

Stop thinking it's gonna be WW2 again

We're not getting another WW2 battlefield in 10 years minimum

[uneven hollow]

[jade canopy]

I strongly agree

Is BFV a cross-platform game?

[midnight ether]

Is BFV a cross-platform game?
@jade canopy no

We're not getting another WW2 battlefield in 10 years minimum
@tough lodge thats the sad part cause WW2 is such an amazing story

[jade canopy]

If you watch the YouTube channel called “Memoirs of WWII” the veterans tell some amazing unheard stories

And it’s sad when you realize we lose hundreds of veterans everyday u-u

[stark zenith]

Should I get bfv or bf4?

[midnight ether]

Should I get bfv or bf4?
@stark zenith 4

[uneven hollow]

Both for the cheap price

[midnight ether]

honestly i wouldnt get it even if it had 70% off

i still feel robbed

[compact oxide]

Same

[digital kiln]

nivelle nights is beautiful

[coral fiber]

Günter is the Johnny Sins of Battlefield

[wild jacinth]

can anyone explain outpost to me

i played it last night

and it was fun on some maps

pacific storm was boring and difficult

but aerodome was amazing

[uneven hollow]

Radio tower defense

[compact oxide]

What was that? Build a tower that just gets shelled from a distance instantly undoing all your work?

[tough lodge]

utposts

[digital kiln]

to my bf1 pilots any tips with fighters? i wanna get goood

[prime pine]

Outpost. Obviously build towers and destroy the oppositions.

Uhh

@wild jacinth what specifics do you need to know???

[uneven crypt]

The Jungle Carbine is garbage the ttk is so bad if u don’t hit a one shot headshot

[uneven hollow]

But still noice to use tho

[dreamy raptor]

It doesn’t matter what gun you use if you suck at it anyway

[uneven hollow]

[dreamy raptor]

Very big brain

[uneven hollow]

!!jumbo

[ruby trail]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/639318692135567368

[dreamy raptor]

No it is bigger brain than that

[prime pine]

Jungle carbine is good, I guess. Haven't touched it since 5.2, where it was the best weapon

Or one of the best

[uneven crypt]

Did it get nerfed?

[dreamy raptor]

[prime pine]

No

[uneven crypt]

I just can’t win gun fights back to back with damage numbers

[prime pine]

It was a situation where since every became shit at range, it paved way to bolt actions and self loading rifles, making them indirectly more powerful

[uneven hollow]

How is your play style mate

[prime pine]

If the jungle carbine isn't working try another gun

Like the suomi, grease gun or the Zk

Or either the bar or the fg42 if you play as support

[solid hinge]

bf4 is honestly insufferable to go back to and play sometimes

[dreamy raptor]

Playing it right now

[solid hinge]

firing off rockets

and watching them travel to the targets is so

slow

[jade canopy]

Finally I can play a match

[uneven hollow]

That’s why you become the rocket

[dreamy raptor]

Very big brain

[solid hinge]

u can recite the ymca dance before it reaches it target

same with guns too

is velocity the right word

velocity in this game so damn slow

[digital kiln]

damn

[jade canopy]

But is it realistic

[solid hinge]

no its not

[digital kiln]

i destroyed the behemoth on empires edge by myself

[dreamy raptor]

That’s hot

[digital kiln]

i used the b o a t s

switching from seat to seat taking shots 😎

[uneven hollow]

Ah

[formal linden]

Am I wrong or is gulf of Oman the first weather dynamic battlefield map

[dreamy raptor]

The ottoman map had the dreadnought yes

But which one are you talking about

[uneven hollow]

He most likely destroyed said dreadnought

Tbh it’ll be poggers for dreadnoughts for said pacific maps

[digital kiln]

i dont know lmao i just know i destroyed a behemoth b o a t using a b o a t

[formal linden]

My gulf of Oman question is burning

[digital kiln]

also the fk 96 is amazing

[midnight ether]

ayyyyyyy bf1 finished downloading

[obsidian apex]

I didnt play bf3 for like 3 years*

[midnight ether]

its a blank page

[obsidian apex]

And im back at quickscoping

Hmm

Sucks

Look in #streams-and-videos @midnight ether

[uneven hollow]

I give that a pog out of pog

[uneven crypt]

Does it take forever for u guys to get to the menu after exiting a game

[jade canopy]

It’s so hard to resist the urge to rage quit

Legit spent the entire match just building stuff lol

[midnight ether]

wth i just launched bf1 and theres no one playing ._.

[prime pine]

I had a dream where the devs were talking about adding even more ranks

I think the dream ended there with me feeling sick LOL

[uneven crypt]

Do u guys have tips on getting more kills

[uneven hollow]

Try to find people idk

[midnight ether]

Do u guys have tips on getting more kills
@uneven crypt get gud

[fervent rune]

Tips like what? @uneven crypt

[uneven hollow]

Tbh if your just doing conquest then most likely try breakthrough

Since people are usually easier to find

[uneven crypt]

It’s weird I don’t get many kills, but I don’t die Mutch either. I have trouble finding people and finishing kills

(I do play the objective

People always steal my kills

[wild jacinth]

i got a marksman medal

while i was playing BFV

Firestorm

that was interesting

[prime pine]

Play aggressive

Play hard

[shy badger]

work hard

[prime pine]

Sshh

[vital ibex]

Bf 5 is worst battlefield

[digital kiln]

i LOVE the gewehr m.95 infantry

[vital ibex]

Ross is better

[wild jacinth]

when i played outpost

it was the first time i ever seen anyone play as a team

[grand wing]

Obrez pistol 4 president

[shy badger]

Bf 5 is worst battlefield
@vital ibex
Can clearly tell you haven't played all bfs

[prime pine]

Outpost massively benefits the players

Cause

[shy badger]

Pointssss

[prime pine]

As long as they're near the tower they can get lots of points

[grand wing]

ands thats what im saying

bf 2 best :]

[prime pine]

And some asshole sitting back can contribute massively by shelling the tower

[shy badger]

I'm usually that asshole that shells the tower

Its just too easy to take down

[prime pine]

Same

You get lots of points

[shy badger]

Imagine if everyone played assault and just shot towers every npw and then

[prime pine]

Haha

[amber pine]

[shy badger]

There'll be no towers!

[grand wing]

imgine every single assualt using Riberollyes or Hell Riegel

like

for the love of god

[prime pine]

Imagine if every support run and gunned with bars

Or fg42

[grand wing]

ugh

i cant put with the bar

[shy badger]

Imagine if everyone pnly used the liberator

[prime pine]

Im loving the bar

[grand wing]

delet this

[prime pine]

Think I might get it to 25 k

Kek

Bf1 Bar, fuck that. Bf5 bar however is even better

[grand wing]

yes

thats what i ment

the bf1 part more or less

[shy badger]

Oh why the bf1 bar ise worse?

[grand wing]

recoil is a bitch

and mag is smol

[prime pine]

It was just an eh gun

I probably could and would use it there again

[shy badger]

Heh

[grand wing]

real supports use the parabellum

😎

[prime pine]

I used that but I never stuck to any of the bf1 weapoms

Weapons

[shy badger]

I think it was my favorite lmg thete

In bfv its not nearly as fun

[scenic beacon]

@prime pine what bar specs do you stick to? I’ve recently got a kick out of the hipfire line

[wild jacinth]

i wonder if i got everyone in this battlefield chat to play a match of firestorm

i wonder how many people would join

[digital kiln]

Obrez pistol 4 president
@grand wing

y e s

[prime pine]

@scenic beacon fast reload, then custom stock, ported barrel and lightened stock

Fast reload makes such a massive difference

Aa sights also work wonders

[soft tree]

anybody wanna play battlefield 1

[solid hinge]

sorry to trouble you...

we are BF anti hacker community www.bfban.com It's non-profit, we want use BTR's API to anti hacker.... BFBAN source is available on github,just search bfban....

but i found it's harder to register a key from battlefieldtracker, since it changed his UI

it would be nice,if u can help us = =

1.we want to apply battlefield tracker's API including 1 and 5

2.hope BTR could offer some API technical details

3.We don't know how p-stats can get stats from EA DICE, ,it would be better,if u can tell me @wary mason @lunar lion

[jade canopy]

Social services 10/10, I appreciate your efforts <33

And now for the grand finale of the day... sleep time

[tight rain]

Night brother

[merry marsh]

Nite nite

nvm its dead in the morning for me

[tight rain]

Good morning then

[merry marsh]

wake up losers 😎

jk imma go to bed now

gnight

[tight rain]

Night brother

[solid hinge]

nite

[idle breach]

bröther

[tight rain]

Broder

[solid hinge]

Brodda

[crude cradle]

is the lewis gun good (bf5)

[solid hinge]

One of the best guns in the game

its also good in battlefront 2 (T-21)

[olive apex]

loading geometrics 62%

[dull prism]

Is there any information on how battlefield 5 vehicle spawning works?

[crude cradle]

i like it

big mag

low fire rate

[dull prism]

Like how long is the respawn time, does it make a difference how many players are on the server

[olive apex]

idk, i dont play bfv

but i assume its the same with all battlefields, so i could probably help work it out

[proper cradle]

Bfv should have linux support

[olive apex]

@dull prism planes have a default respawn time of 1 minute 30 seconds, and tanks a default respawn time of 2 minutes. idk what bf it is, but i assume it carries over to all bf

[crude cradle]

imagine waiting for vehicles to spawn

[dull prism]

Vehicles are fucked either way in bfv

[crude cradle]

they're too weak

[dull prism]

Tanks shells most of the time drop too much.
It's insane how random the damage system is in a tank vs tank or tank vs inf battle. Like one second you hit them for 25, next second you hit them in the same spot for 13

[crude cradle]

and bazookas do like

[dull prism]

Other time I can shoot 2 piats on the ammo location of a tiger (because I do know where it is) and throw 2 dynamites on it's back and it'll just continue strolling along

[crude cradle]

0 - 30 damage

[dull prism]

Panzer 4 is literally made out of paper

[crude cradle]

i haven't driven it much

i mostly drive the pacific vehicles

[dull prism]

Sometimes planes are super strong and just wipe out a whole team, because why the fuck not and the next second they get 1 shot by a fliger faust across half the time that has no sound, visible or other indications

[crude cradle]

ikfr

thats why i go aa tank on plane maps

[sour stratus]

The panzer 4 is good

[dull prism]

It's good damage and mobility wise, but it's made out of fckn paper

[crude cradle]

i like the STUG

[dull prism]

You get 2 shot to the front

[crude cradle]

for long range combat

[sour stratus]

From what? @dull prism

[dull prism]

Fuck I forgot the name of it

[sour stratus]

Heat-t rounds?

[crude cradle]

german aa tank

that is based on the pz 4

[sour stratus]

They are pretty strong

[crude cradle]

but is somehow weaker

logic

[sour stratus]

It's a flak gun...

[dull prism]

It was a churchill 7

[sour stratus]

Not for tank warfare

[crude cradle]

i mean armor wise

[sour stratus]

And ik it's the panzer 4 hull

[dull prism]

And what the fuck is up with the whole AA reaching skybox easily shit

Like you can literally fly as high up as possible and by the time you straighten out your plane AA already reaches you

how the fuck can you even counter that?

Drop bombs on a possibly moving target from like 5km away??

[sour stratus]

AT rounds to the panzer 4 are really strong so it might be that

[dull prism]

The towable paks are garbage as well

Most of the time they just roll or slide off the area you want to place them in

And when you try and drive correctly backwards with the vehicle that is towing the Pak, it's just super clunky and goes too far or too little and by the time you actually get them in a position you got 3 planes 2 tanks and 8 guys with bazookas on your ass

And what's up with the stratagetic maps being so shit layout? I mean they are beautiful, but the locations of objectives are so trash

[crude cradle]

currently in an aa tank

[dull prism]

It's usually 2-3 points in the middle of the map which are super important and where infantry actually want to fight and then theres usually 1-2 points super super close to the teams spawn and no one ever caps them unless one of the teams are snowballing like crazy

[sour stratus]

@crude cradle

Get off it

[dull prism]

You cap the middle 3 points and then no infantry want to run to the super far away points

[sour stratus]

NOW

[crude cradle]

no

[atomic nimbus]

How do I spawn as a vehicle in bf1

[sour stratus]

First you need to be a map with vehicle support

[atomic nimbus]

ok that is clear

[sour stratus]

Then wait either spawn or some objectives in conquest in the spawn screen with símbols like

This 2

[atomic nimbus]

ok

[sour stratus]

Watch out for vehicle whores

[crude cradle]

8/0

ehem

[sour stratus]

They just wait and wait

[crude cradle]

aa tank only

sounds like me

[sour stratus]

Till they get the vehicle they want

[atomic nimbus]

In operations? There is usually a spawnpoint where you can select tank, plane or h o r s e. How does that work

[crude cradle]

^^

[sour stratus]

Yes

[atomic nimbus]

yes?

[sour stratus]

Affirmative

[wheat badge]

[crude cradle]

3 of our tanks are aa tanks lmao

pilots worst nightmare

[atomic nimbus]

You are as helpful as a sausage during nuclear holocaust

At least sosig is good

Guys your favourite maps?

[crude cradle]

provence

pacific storm

imo jima

[atomic nimbus]

monte gra ppa

Yes I have sad

Then Sinai, Suez and the one with the w a l l s and the big house. How is it called?

[golden ocean]

Most maps have big houses and walls

[atomic nimbus]

The one with the BIG house

one big house

[golden ocean]

DLC?

[sour stratus]

Ballroom blitz?

[crude cradle]

operation undergrand

[atomic nimbus]

yes

[crude cradle]

ground*

[golden ocean]

It's a palace

[sour stratus]

A palace is still a house

[crude cradle]

bruh

[golden ocean]

But a house isn't a palace

[crude cradle]

theres this one guy in the same server as me

2/13

all plane deaths

[sour stratus]

[atomic nimbus]

Guys opinions on Lawrence SMLE?

[sour stratus]

It's the smle but with engravings

I believe

I don't have it so

[atomic nimbus]

the one with sabaton vibes

[golden ocean]

Bruh last time I played BF1 longer than 20 minutes was before BFV launch

[vestal yew]

Hello there

[crude cradle]

hi

[wheat badge]

When is armory update?

[prime pine]

Next week

The panzer iv no longer gets two hit killed from the front l

Unless its a super specific weird shot

[hoary condor]

smoke is good, if you need to fall back to repair

[prime pine]

People like the pigeon perk

[solid hinge]

H

[uneven hollow]

Pigeon best birb

[atomic nimbus]

sosig=gud
american sosig=bad

[full forge]

I really want to play on the Name of Tsar dlc play list but it's impossible to find a server

[gray saffron]

just listen to the soundtrack, it's the best part of the dlc anyway :3

[uneven crypt]

What’s ur guys fav map? Mine is Solomon Islands

[fervent rune]

Uhh

Pacific storm

Perfect breakthrough map

Or narvik

Very beautiful

[crystal blaze]

underground is my favorite since i only get grenade kills there

[fervent rune]

Underground is good tho

Gameplay wise, bfv is actually amazing

[stoic mulch]

is here any swedish BF5 players?

[ember kayak]

Solomon Islands and Narvik (cause i love snow)

[icy sluice]

Bruh last time I played BF1 longer than 20 minutes was before BFV launch
Yeah, I had a BF1 marathon up until V came out

Had like 2 matches after V came out, neither matches were full

[uneven crypt]

Every time I get into a game it’s in progress

Also does no one use the voice chat on Xbox? Is hard to communicate with my squad

[icy sluice]

Find some mates to play with, makes the game a thousand times more fun

[uneven crypt]

I have mates that would play, but it’s not cross platform, none of them play on Xbox 😔

[feral dust]

I wonder why you'd spend $60 on a game to not even play it

[uneven crypt]

?

I bought the game and play it

[feral dust]

how do you get a 100:0 kd from behind the hill on the other side of the map.

[idle breach]

via cheating

[feral dust]

its disgusting quite frankly

[uneven crypt]

It’s called skill 🤪

[idle breach]

cheaters are rampant

[feral dust]

i had the entire game thrown off last night and tonight

[uneven crypt]

Yea I’ve ran into cheaters multiple times and I just started playing

Is their sbmm in bfv?

[feral dust]

i bloody earn my top 5 on the leaderboards

[idle breach]

sbmm?

[feral dust]

^ whats that

[uneven crypt]

Skill based matchmaking

[idle breach]

no

[icy sluice]

There is not

[feral dust]

idk

i play bf1

[icy sluice]

Honestly, thankfully there isn't.

There's also no SBMM in BF1

[uneven crypt]

Im really bad at bfv right now, I started 2 days ago but I’m getting practice in

[idle breach]

you'll get better

[feral dust]

yeah

find your niche and own it

[uneven crypt]

All lot times I think it’s time to push up, and I go up and immediately get killed by a thousand people 😂

[feral dust]

that sounds like the right time to find something you can do behind your front line team

[uneven crypt]

Ok

[idle breach]

you need to think and move uh

bit..wider? like compared to bf1

[feral dust]

barebones:
your team is pushing: move forward with them, join them even.
enemy team is pushing: stay back and let your best teammates deal damage.
atleast from my support perspective.

[idle breach]

effective engagement distance are far longer and there are less significant line battle tugging

bf1 was like there's obvious "front line" where the major tug of war happening and there are some people trying to flank but there are also people trying to catch flankers and flankers can't really change the entire situation by one good flank frequently

but in bfv since everyone got faster ttk, attrition etc it's more like tug of war only exists in seperate ghetto existing in every map called "recon camper hill" and major engagements are like group of people doing shorter and faster skirmish and goind around and around the objectives

breakthrough is kinda different but still

[fervent rune]

Surprisingly, there are actually someone who bought steve fischer

[idle breach]

think it's good elite

but I buy skins, not elites

[neat tulip]

y’all ever just run out of ammo on your primary and improvise friendly fire by murdering your teammate and taking their stuff

[fervent rune]

Elites are the worst addition for bfv imo

Some of them may look good

Some them just break immersion

Like seing misaki in rotterdam

Or ilse in iwo jima

You get the idea

And also the cringey best squad animation

[idle breach]

yeah

but still better than SS-cosplaying wehrboo shits

[fervent rune]

Best way to put that

[icy sluice]

Thankfully there's no custom emblems or else we'd be getting the bad symbols on people's arms and on tanks and planes

[fervent rune]

Let's be grateful for that

Are weapon skins actually common in ww2?

[icy sluice]

Depends on the skin

[fervent rune]

How about gold plated?

I mean it looks good in bfv

But dang I guess not

[icy sluice]

Maybe like after the war a gold plated gun would make more sense.

Of course, we're currently in a time where skins are skill or something... thanks to games like Team Fortress 2, Fortnite, CoD, etc.

The best way to show off your skill is with the flashiest and harder to unlock cosmetics

That's why people have the Peacekeeper in BF1 as well as whatever flashy and stupid looking skin they can get on their gun when default usually looks best

[ember kayak]

"It's a nice gun. I'll give you that. But the engraving gives you no tactical advantage whatsoever."

[icy sluice]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Usually, I either have a camouflage on my gun, default or maybe it's broken.

I like that some weapons in V have wraps as cosmetics like the Gewehr M.95 and Kar98k

[ember kayak]

yes i wish we had more "camouflage" skins

[icy sluice]

Countryside looks pretty good

[ember kayak]

but the forced emblem thing really throws off my mood on weapon skins tbh

[icy sluice]

If you put a custom emblem on it takes off the forced emblem

[echo turtle]

I don't get any of the emblems on my gun for some reason

[icy sluice]

Also if your platoon has a custom emblem, you won't get an emblem

[ember kayak]

no platoon, yea i tried that and in the "gunsmith" it shows no emblem but when im in a round it is on the gun again

[icy sluice]

Use the companion app, put a circle or something minimal and equip it

I haven't had an emblem on this game since 4.0

[ember kayak]

i have now equipped my dirty yellow circle, will check later if it did work. ty

[icy sluice]

lmao

If it doesn't work you may need to make a platoon and put that emblem on the platoon

[ember kayak]

lets hope in the next game we get a unequip option

[merry marsh]

Anyone notice how one of the heavy guns in stbf2 looked almost identical to the lewis gun?

[icy sluice]

Star Wars is heavily influenced by World War I and World War II

Start looking at all of the other weapons while you're at it :p

[solid hinge]

the T 21 is arguably the same gun, even down to small details like the attachment point for the magazine on top is still there

same for the starter gun for heavy troopers is a MG 34

[merry marsh]

Oh yeah I remember they said the dl44 was influenced by the mauser

[solid hinge]

I mean in game

if you look at both guns as you see them from first person they are almost identical

[merry marsh]

bruh

[solid hinge]

although the T21 shoots slower and shorter bursts and in burst fire mode is basically a 2 shot kill

my fav gun atm is the T 21

[merry marsh]

BRuh I don't remember any of the guns name

[ember kayak]

NT-242 ❤️

[solid hinge]

When you have a ”69” in your kd 🥰🥰😍😍

Nice

0,69*

Xd

that was an old reddit gripe tha Battlefront 2 is just a reskinned BF1

but in 2020 the 2 games have diverged enough that its no longer true

[pulsar valve]

One of the hottest takes I've ever seen

[solid hinge]

Uhm that Could be checked by doing ”string comparison”

[ember kayak]

i mean the t21 was in bf15 already

so technically they would have reskinned bf15 into bf1

[tribal cairn]

The two are different enough to be separate games

[pulsar valve]

One is Star Wars, the other one isn't

[solid hinge]

Aek is the most sweat gun in bf4

So frustrating

[ember kayak]

also the T21 came to the bf2 multiplayer this year, so the hot take is weird

[solid hinge]

please read the original query

Anyone notice how one of the heavy guns in stbf2 looked almost identical to the lewis gun?
@merry marsh

and I answered yes they are almost identical in game

[ember kayak]

"that was an old reddit gripe tha Battlefront 2 is just a reskinned BF1"

i just answered why that gripe is bs

[pulsar valve]

Because Star Wars is built with WW1/2 gear

[solid hinge]

sure it is

wasn't just refering to the guns

[pulsar valve]

Not reusing material from other games you've built would be such a bad idea

Saves money, resources and dev time

[gloomy kraken]

That moment when you (as an infantry) annoy a pilot so much they intentionally crash so they kill you.

[muted estuary]

So I got a BF3 related Inquiry: I noticed recently on Seine TDM that if you go to the central grouping of buildings you can hear a faint ambient noise, like distorted music. I was wondering if anyone else noticed this and if this is some kind of Easter egg that nobody has really found yet. I found only one video about it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5y1BAJOhHdg

[idle breach]

aside obvious not-for-combat skins and such,

most world war era guns were just bland matte blackish gray metal parts with, different wooden parts

afak blued/chromed etc finishings were mostly civilian things

most blued steel doesn't really go THAT blue like in bfv

[muted estuary]

has anyone else experienced this?

[idle breach]

i dont played bf3

[muted estuary]

bugger

[idle breach]

Beretta revolver with case-hardened frame and blued cylinder/barrel

[merry marsh]

I just want to say that the flame trooper special class is terrible

the flames man

talking about stbf2

[eager shore]

that was an old reddit gripe tha Battlefront 2 is just a reskinned BF1
but in 2020 the 2 games have diverged enough that its no longer true
On the surface maybe with the classes and Operations-esque Galactic Assault. But just play a bit and you would have noticed that the two weren't similar even at Battlefront II's launch.

I wish Battlefront II was a reskinned Battlefield 1.

[merry marsh]

Bruh bf1 but with a star wars skin

That'd be cool

[icy sluice]

I honestly like BF2 over BF1

I'm very close to 17k dogtags taken

[prime pine]

Im getting close to 9 k

Goddamn

[icy sluice]

noob

[prime pine]

To be fair

I am trying to get my bar to 25 k

[icy sluice]

I recently got the Pzbs to a bronze dogtag

[prime pine]

Can't use that

[icy sluice]

It's hard yeah

[prime pine]

Its such a shitty weapon class and its not worth using

[icy sluice]

High Velocity rounds are sort of needed

It's fun to dance around a tiger with it tho

[prime pine]

My friends got a guy in the tiger to leave

Like

He straight up abandoned the tiger

[merry marsh]

People talking about getting dogtags while I flex with my 100% trophies on both bf1 and 5

[acoustic stratus]

the real challenge is underwater swimming ;v

[merry marsh]

[ember kayak]

the real challenge is finding a balanced match on bfv

[brave garnet]

Whenever I use AT rifles, I use irons and hide in the bushes

[acoustic stratus]

challenges have to be possible

BFV ain't ever gonna have a balanced match lol

or finding a good server on BFIV that doesn't have shitty admins lol

[ember kayak]

lets dream that bf6 will fix all that

[acoustic stratus]

i'd need to take a lot of drugs to dream of something that unrealistic ;v

[ember kayak]

[uneven crypt]

Have u guys tried the Jungle Carbine with iron sights it’s hard but very satisfying

[fervent rune]

Do people use sights for the jungle carbine?

[uneven crypt]

Most people use scopes

[light goblet]

3x

[wet fossil]

2x scope is best

[fervent rune]

I never done that haa

[wet fossil]

Max mobility, clean sight picture

[dense bone]

jungle carbine doesnt really work well beyond 100m so i dont see a need to use a large scope

[prime pine]

The 3x on the jungle carbine is just clear

[wet fossil]

But it's too damn big.

For me, 3x is for actual sniping

[dense bone]

yea i would use 3x at most, hell i use 3x on krag

[prime pine]

6x works better over longer ranges for obvious reasons

[dense bone]

i think 6x is just irrelevant

[idle breach]

just use low fov for sniping lmao

[dense bone]

facts

[wet fossil]

The K41 (or was it 31?) would be even better if its iron sights protruded out a bit more so I can actually see with the damn things

The scope works fine though, especially since they fixed the damn accuracy

[dense bone]

oddly, i havent really given the jungle carbine much time

[prime pine]

Fov can be separated from aimed

But im not sure about the 6x scope

[dense bone]

21 minutes xD

[prime pine]

Good God, fucking ads fov that's a curse, every thing turns to 1x but your gun just doesn't move.

[reef mountain]

just realised i can find cheaters using the batlefield tracker liek this one guy 700k kills 1 death 1 day played lol

[prime pine]

But you can't see

I got 15 hours huh, with the jungle boi

[reef mountain]

leave 1 cheat match into a match with a clan of cheats ..... they need to sort this shit out

[dense bone]

idk how many times my clan gets called hackers when most arent even THAT good

[solid hinge]

Simple.

[buoyant glacier]

are the LFG room rly places for ppl to advertise their servers in ¿

[solid hinge]

The people you play against just happen to suck more.

[dense bone]

@buoyant glacier no, not at all

[unborn forum]

Once I went on to a grand ops and some guy allegedly reported me for lag switching because I killed him

It was on US servers and I went in from the main menu the thing is half the lobby had a higher ping than me

[dense bone]

@buoyant glacier server/clan/platoon advertising is not allowed in server at all, LFG is purely for looking for people to play with (with the idea that they use this servers VC)

[buoyant glacier]

my own platoon ppl called me hacker yesterday but as a joke coz they where coming up a stair and i continuesly shot them

[solid hinge]

My platoon only exists so my mates can use my BCITW tag.

[buoyant glacier]

@dense bone yeah ik i read the pin, but ppl still do it sometimes

[dense bone]

well they are breaking the rules, if a mod notices are not is another thing though

[ember kayak]

i remember one match when someone got killed by a guy with 7:15 or something and screamed the whole round that we all should report him for hacking.

[acoustic stratus]

lets be real the last good battlefield game was 1942

[solid hinge]

[dense bone]

7-15 score?

[ember kayak]

k/d

yea

[acoustic stratus]

shame origin released the Non-dlc version like dim-wits

[dense bone]

im na west, and ive been suspicious of less than 10 people of hacking, im roughly at 200 hours of gameplay too

[buoyant glacier]

7-15 i had 30-7 or something like that already

[dense bone]

my best game so far is 113-35

infantry only, solo

[buoyant glacier]

thats decent

[solid hinge]

I've never ran into any hackers, I guess I'm pretty lucky but I'm a console guy so ehhhh

[ember kayak]

50-13 or so was my best

[buoyant glacier]

on hardcore tdm i am pretty good, m40 with reddot and straight pullback piston thing and a g18 with silencer

[dense bone]

ive broke 100 kills in conquest, breakthrough, and domination

[buoyant glacier]

Lasagne, i ran into like 3 legit hackers just the last 14 days 🤣 1 of them got banned yesterday tho

[dense bone]

g1-5, 2a, and lewis

g1-5 op

[ember kayak]

so the normal sweat guns

[dense bone]

pretty much

[buoyant glacier]

bfV?

[ember kayak]

yes

[dense bone]

id only consider g1-5 to be op though

[buoyant glacier]

oh ok. i dont play that 🦀

[ember kayak]

lewis and 2a i would consider

[feral grotto]

A guy throwing 1 dynamite 20 meters away from me : 5 kills.. including me..

Me throwing 2/dynamites on a guy's head, while he standing ontop of another enemy..:
20 damage if I'm lucky

[violet harness]

hi

[feral grotto]

[dense bone]

lewis is easy to use, but low ttk, 2a is only good under 25m

those are far from op weapons imo

[buoyant glacier]

cKy i feel tgat but in bf 4 with c4& claymores

[dense bone]

while the g1-5 really doesnt have any weaknesses other than far ranges like 75m+

[prime pine]

Lewis is easy to use

Super easy

[ember kayak]

i mean the 2A outperforms everything in its range and the lewis gun is such a good allrounder it also does way better overall

[dense bone]

shotguns easily beat 2a

[prime pine]

I tried it out for fun and the bastard thing started to grow

[dense bone]

2a is literally a less effective shotgun for slightly more range

[digital kiln]

i seee people sharing best games

[prime pine]

I just use the bar as my universal answer, treating it like an AR.

Fg42 works well but I gotta get the bar up there

[dense bone]

shotguns beat 2a up to 20m, 2a can kill decently up to 30m, which at 25m a TON of weapons beat 2a

[prime pine]

Fast reload is such a good perk

[digital kiln]

my best is 115-25 with a gewehr infantry (bf1)

[mortal jackal]

Trouble in the town

They started to burn it down

[ember kayak]

2a has a way bigger potential to kill multiple opponents then any shotgun.

[dense bone]

that and its slightly better range are its only perks over the shotgun

its really a niche weapon

[prime pine]

Type 2 can technically kill 10 people with a single mag, shotguns kill way quicker and get more retention

Or about the same

[dense bone]

id say the average person gets 2-3 kills in the 50 round 2a

[prime pine]

Cause at most you're killing 3 to 4 people with a single mag

Shotgun at least the same

[dense bone]

i imagine a ton of peoples accuracy with 2a is below 20%

i think im barely above that

[digital kiln]

shotguns didnt feel right in bf1

[ember kayak]

i mean the a2 is a medic gun so idk why i would compare it to the shotgun.

[digital kiln]

hipfiring felt like a death sentence with those shotguns

[dense bone]

because you said 2a best in its range, which its arguably not

[prime pine]

Yeah nyphon my accuracy 20.17

With the type 2

[ember kayak]

sure it is the best medic gun in that range

[dense bone]

well no shit, that doesnt mean anything, theres always a "best gun in this class at this range"