Honestly being back spotting yourself when firing with an unsupressed weapon
#battlefield-legacy-titles
compact oxide
stoic breach
removing hitmarkers is actual cancer though
prime pine
Suppressed 1911 yes please
wet fossil
I don't like the suppressor spam in BF4
compact oxide
Or if not pure spotting area spotting
stoic breach
that wouldnt be what suppressors do
wet fossil
I want my gunfights to sound like actual battles, not a bunch of snakes hissing at each other
stoic breach
hahaha
prime pine
Removing hit direction is actually scary and real beneficial
compact oxide
Like "I hear a shot from that building"
stoic breach
it also creates a massive information problem because you cant react properly to getting shot at
compact oxide
And the building is spotted by the enemy firing in it
stoic breach
directional markers exist purely so players dont get cheesed on by not knowing where they died from
of course its beneficial because its actually too good
prime pine
With the weapons that have the suppressor their range is very limited naturally
shrewd grove
i wanna say i like the lack of tracers most of the time in bf3 and 4, bfv gun fights look like star wars lol
stoic breach
yeah but that just makes CQB miserable to play against
the De Lisle carbine suppressor is borderline ok cause the weapon in general just sucks too much
But the grease gun removing directional markers is really dumb
BFV already has an extremely bad information problem
prime pine
Assuming they're already not miserable when you fight against suomi, Thompson, type 2
stoic breach
yeah I think the goal should be to make things feel better, not equally shitty
compact oxide
Which is why supressors should be a trade off of being stealthy (not spotting yourself on shots) vs being slower velocity, more dropoff etc
prime pine
Not gonna lie its misleading using suppressed grease gun
stoic breach
honestly BFV has a really good system to facilitate suppressors
By making them weapon-exclusive specs
wet fossil
Agh if only the M30 was actually useful
stoic breach
also yeah the game should include minimap spot on fire
wet fossil
I remember thinking that having a 1900 with a rifle barrel glued to it would be really great
stoic breach
but delayed on only pings the location where you last fired
wet fossil
And then I actually had to use it.
stoic breach
hahaha
stoic breach
M30 drilling used to be the best shotgun before the M37
wet fossil
And it's a piece of crap. Takes an age to reload and it isn't even any more accurate than other shotguns
stoic breach
The M37 is actually really good
prime pine
I've given mine fast reload and I'm allowed to be more aggressive
stoic breach
Yeah
wet fossil
The M30 should get fast reload, not trigger job
prime pine
Fast reload is incredibly useful. You just need to get used to it to maximise its effectiveness
wet fossil
I mean seriously it has only two rounds what the fuck is that supposed to do for me
stoic breach
I've realised the benefit of having some shotguns be more accurate in ADS vs hipfire because of the millisecond ADS/TTK advantage
But the shotguns definitely all need a buff other than the M37
That one is pretty g
shrewd grove
i just want the next BF to get rid of people constantly sliding everywhere like theyre covered in oil and going 120-19
wet fossil
And remember how they said that they were patching the M30 so you could swap barrels before reloading
prime pine
Lube man
wet fossil
That never happened.
prime pine
Sliding is good busy work
stoic breach
you'd have to know that beforehand
Honestly I love sliding in games
BF would be alright if sliding disabled your weapon but you increased velocity
so you could get into cover faster
prime pine
I dont see the problem with sliding if it gives you busy work
Theres two slides
Jump crouch slide which allows immediate fire
And the usual slide where you cannot fire for the first few frames
wet fossil
I think one of the problems the M30 has is the fact that BFV has longer engagement ranges than BF1
stoic breach
but idk
wet fossil
You can't get close without being obliterated by every AR in the vicinity.
stoic breach
i understand the argument for movement tech though
So i guess im kinda half and half
prime pine
Temprd told me about the jump slide but I have yet to use it unconsciously
stoic breach
hm
shrewd grove
BF1 made your gun super innacurate while sliding but didn't really speed you up enough during the slide for it to be really worth doing
stoic breach
also yeah, the longer sightlines just sucks
shrewd grove
Generally I don't like movement tech, but I play boring as fuck milsims so I'm biased
stoic breach
yeah, the old BF1 sliding but if it disables your weapon for more frames
would be pretty good
lol rip
prime pine
I mean. Battlefield is more arcadic
stoic breach
I've been playing alot of MW, and I've gotten used to Titanfall 2 which is entirely movement tech
shrewd grove
Yeah my brain doesn't move very fast admittedly
I panic a lot
Not to mention my PC is shit
stoic breach
hahaha i mean thats ok
prime pine
Try staying back with a bren strider
stoic breach
I think theres definitely a good case for having active and passive be equally viable, and being able to play your own way
solid hinge
what level u must be to open ''custom camos'' to change example the wolf torso?
stoic breach
If you dont want to play as reactively, there should be systems that faciliate that
shrewd grove
I normally played machine gun but now suppression is useless
stoic breach
Yeah
prime pine
You can get your brain to cool down and eventually catch up. But just don't be a bot
shrewd grove
I just play medic and hope my constant revives and heals help enough
stoic breach
Support class having suppression was still such a good use case
prime pine
Jager bren
stoic breach
LMGs being more versatile magdump weapons, MMGs being long range automatics for suppression and just murdering the fuck out of people
Suppression, bullet tracers, audio
shrewd grove
I miss the alpha of BFV
stoic breach
All of those come together to make support terrifying to play against
shrewd grove
It was so fun
I liked being big machine gun man, even if I didn't get kills
I just like unloading big guns
stoic breach
yeah cause you could still help the team as well
with suppression
ye
I still really wish MMGs got a rework to make them more viable
ADS speed similar to bolt actions, 4-5BTK damage range, reverse spread, automatic incendiary rounds by default
shrewd grove
BFV just feels bad to camp in too because of the speed of the game
If I sit in one place for more than 30 seconds I feel bad
stoic breach
thats kind of ironic because BFV probably faciliates camping the most out of any BF game
Because of the lack of information and situational awareness
Generally its more fun to play aggressively, but the game's systems generally make it more rewarding to play passive, or just zerg
shrewd grove
That's whats weird
prime pine
shrewd grove
They sped the game up liked crazy from alpha to release
prime pine
BREN
shrewd grove
It makes the game just never sit right with me so I can't play it long like I can with 3,4,1, Hardline, etc
stoic breach
yeah its a real shame cause the game could've been decent or at least better designed with some mechanical changes
obviously the maps are always going to be awful though
prime pine
Who voted breb
shrewd grove
That's why I pre-ordered after playing the alpha lmao
prime pine
I can't see
stoic breach
BREB
shrewd grove
Then the game changed too much
stoic breach
ye
shrewd grove
Another thing that bothers me is that like, almost every automatic in the game is 4-5 btk so it almost always comes down to fire rate
When in BF1 I can manage to out damage a Hellriegel with my RSC
prime pine
Kinda does but more often enough it doesn't mean shit if you can control your own
stoic breach
thats a fun clip but remembering bad visibility makes me cry
right now its more like fuckin
4-9BTK
stoic breach
or whatever the fuck
prime pine
Its 4 7
stoic breach
ye
shrewd grove
The game just makes me big sad
shrewd grove
So I'm playing Squad, Hell Let Loose, and BF4
stoic breach
just being realistic
prime pine
I still have fun playing it. But that's because I just main the fg42
stoic breach
I've been playing MW because gunplay good and health regen isnt fucked
shrewd grove
It's hard playing the FG42 for me with how badly the game performs
But somehow BF1 looks amazing on low and still gets over 60fps
prime pine
Try the stg 1-5 cause it's generally easy to use
stoic breach
yeah cause BFV is horrifically optimised
prime pine
The optimisation is terrible for pc
compact oxide
Assault is generally my least favourite class to play now
shrewd grove
Yep
stoic breach
I generally played medic to use the suomi and abuse the shitty health regen system
prime pine
I don't care about the classes being played
Just
If you play assault you play assault
You play this and that
stoic breach
Well like, the class system isnt really that special, its just a good way of balancing gadgets against eachother
weapons come secondary to the gadget balance
solid hinge
what gadgets
stoic breach
BF1 gadgets 
prime pine
I play medic and recon the least
stoic breach
BF1 medic is based as fuck
prime pine
Assault and support i main
solid hinge
medic with their grand total of med pack/med box and smokes/the same mines two other classes have
stoic breach
Decent at every range, but not a master of any range
sonic rampart
Sniper medics who dont revive
stoic breach
Terrifying to fight but still very well balance
sonic rampart
Bruh
prime pine
Support has three good gadgets too. Due to their utility
stoic breach
people will pick the gun they wanna use
stoic breach
cause its a first person shooter
sonic rampart
Keep the snipers with the recon class
stoic breach
best case scenario is to make dying feel less torturous
prime pine
The impact grenade is incredibly good at not just killing
solid hinge
ammo pouches are literally useless currently, at least the rest of supports gadgets are good
stoic breach
and allow every medic to revive easily
prime pine
Its good at being the primer for at mines
Lunge mine can heavily scar tanks
At grenade pistole can destroy forts
stoic breach
and of course if theres a medic in the middle of a gunfight, why should he stop shooting at enemies and risk his own life to respawn one person
solid hinge
lunge mine on support is the best cause you can resupply yourself
shrewd grove
As a medic player I love that all I can do to a tank is point at it
stoic breach
just a shame there are no gadgets in BFV
shrewd grove
It's quite fun
stoic breach
prime pine
Mines for vehicle area denial
shrewd grove
Or I can use the "anti tank" option we have and do 2 damage per grenade
Crazy, I know
prime pine
Look you might look like a dumbass staring at the tank but at least you're not a full blown fucking idiot firing at tanks with the flieger
stoic breach
lol
flieferfaust still should've been a support gadget and not assault
😔
where is my "class designed for area denial"
stoic breach
yeah but why cant they also have area denial at range too with gadgets
prime pine
Mines, betties, lunge mine and at pistole
stoic breach
gadgets designed for what they do and not what they are
shrewd grove
Give assault everything
stoic breach
emphasis on area denial and not its a launcher so it must be for assault
oh yeah single class BF would be great
solid hinge
Fliegerfaust should still damage tanks slightly
prime pine
I spit on you!
solid hinge
it's so goddamn useless against everything other than planes
stoic breach
BF would actually be really good with only 3 classes, medic, support and recon
prime pine
Same dynamic applied to other games ayla
stoic breach
assault medic needs to come back
prime pine
Running stinger means you're useless on tanks
stoic breach
and i guess just have a 4th gimmick class to keep people happy
prime pine
Unless you had slams or mines
shrewd grove
At least assault medic made sense
stoic breach
let people spawn as tankers and call it "engineer" i guess
prime pine
Which assault arguably is better cause of tnt
solid hinge
And they locked on
prime pine
Yeah but the thing is still applied
stoic breach
yeah assault medic was only strong because it could heal way faster than other classes
shrewd grove
At least BFV stopped people from spamming launchers on infantry when they knew they couldn't get the kill
solid hinge
Fliegerfaust is a freefire poopoo gadget that can't even kill infantry and does nothing to blow up fortifications or armoured vehicles
shrewd grove
Mostly
stoic breach
so the best solution would be to just remove health packs/crates, and just every regen health like in CoD
solid hinge
when a single support can build fortifications faster than 3 assaults can blow them up there's an issue
stoic breach
Its a popular design choice for a reason, BF doesnt need to be edgy and different and ignore objectively good game design
stoic breach
yea i know lol
solid hinge
medic being unable to asplode fortifications adds to this
recon cant really do it either
shrewd grove
But also fortifications are mostly useless when even a grenade can destroy them
stoic breach
yeah, recon should've gotten the bolt carbines, and medic should've gotten the tromboncino grenade barrel as a gadget
shrewd grove
Except on very few maps and chokepoints
stoic breach
HE explosive for better vehicle/fortification damage
solid hinge
That's why every class needs to be capable of it, and fliegerfaust should also be capable of it so every single assault launcher can push defences
stoic breach
also medic should've gotten an incendiary launcher
shrewd grove
Also don't even think of using the fortification meant for shooting through
Because the second you poke your head out you'll die to a sniper
stoic breach
or alternatively, remove AT mine from assault, and give FF to support so they have a ranged launcher
solid hinge
If an assault picks fliegerfaust on a map with no planes currently they're actually useless
stoic breach
and also buff it to what you said
Let the FF kil infantry with direct impact but without splash damage
solid hinge
AT mine has no reason to even exist on assault, what's assaulting about a fuckin mine?
stoic breach
And let it break fortis
prime pine
Trapping
solid hinge
Two volleys from a FF should bust a sandbag wall, so it'll still be slower than the other options but it can actually do it
stoic breach
Also make the AT rifles recon gadgets, and let them destroy walls like they used to
prime pine
Best thing is when you creep behind a tank, place mines behind it and watch the world burm
Burn
shrewd grove
I feel like medics should be able to use the AT grenade pistol, like the M203 HE grenade launcher in BF4
solid hinge
throwback to 20 damage mines
prime pine
Jeez
stoic breach
lol
solid hinge
The easiest fix would be giving medics the AT pistol
stoic breach
yeah medic should've gotten the grenade pistol
prime pine
Dice really hates mines
stoic breach
as well as gadget tromboncino
solid hinge
Like it's right there just.. give it to them
stoic breach
thats really good gadget variety as well
solid hinge
hell give it to recon as well
shrewd grove
AT pistol wouldn't at all be a game breaker
prime pine
I feel like this is the dog meme as in
shrewd grove
It's probably the most balanced AT weapon lol
stoic breach
let a medic load up on explosives, or go halves with smoke
prime pine
It was actually really gopd
Good
It still is
Its not even mainly for at its just good for destroying buildings and stubborn fortifications
stoic breach
Every class having AT power, but assault being primarily AP explosive is great for balance
shrewd grove
Or why not let every class have a light AT grenade like in BF1 so they can at least help
solid hinge
Being medic and literally not being able to do ANYTHING to a tank feels like shit
shrewd grove
Tanks could dominate in BF1 but if the team actually worked together to take one out they could
prime pine
Same in bf5 if they use their head
stoic breach
yeah and then people justify medics being shit by saying "just run away" or "its a team game"
solid hinge
infantry still beat tanks up close because of instant peek firing as well
stoic breach
like yeah I would like to help myself the team in this situation
prime pine
Destroy resupply stations and watch them run back to base extremely slowlu due to systematic damage
shrewd grove
It's a team game where no one plays as a team
stoic breach
except clans
shrewd grove
Sucks to see
stoic breach
the game only supports clan ganks and doesnt really help randoms play together
solid hinge
I get it's a team game but when I'm the only person on the entire team who isn't rushing 1 objective I'd like to be able to deal with things by myself
prime pine
I love tank combat
shrewd grove
If only they didn't enforce certain mechanics that incentivise teamplay while backing up on others because reddit got mad
solid hinge
I'd love tank combat if they ever fixed the hitreg
prime pine
I just miss pacific ttk where they can two tap each other from the front
solid hinge
Which they didn't
prime pine
O yeah ayla
solid hinge
;_;
solid hinge
man they've so overblown the churchill long barrels
prime pine
I think they meant it to be the other way around
solid hinge
even default churchill shits on tigers now
stoic breach
If only they didn't enforce certain mechanics that incentivise teamplay while backing up on others because reddit got mad
@shrewd grove yeah this
prime pine
They both can ayla
solid hinge
croc is untouchable
shrewd grove
We could have had the best battlefield game ever on our hands
prime pine
Tiger ap does the same
solid hinge
horrifying
stoic breach
battlefield can absolutely be a good team game and a good solo game
prime pine
As Churchill mkvii ap
shrewd grove
You animals, you blew it up
prime pine
Just the access to heat on the tiger exemplifies accuracy
stoic breach
but because everyone is just obsessed with the "teamplay" meme this is what BF has become
solid hinge
Tiger AP feels like it has the same damage as churchill while shooting like, 40% slower
stoic breach
a game designed entirely around zerging while punishing solo play
and individuality
prime pine
After you use heat for a while the ap rounds feel fast
Not feel but are fast
Same with churchill howitser
solid hinge
I don't mean the projectile speed, the actual rate of fire
solid hinge
poor tiger
stoic breach
theres also too much emphasis on the squad system
solid hinge
brutalized
stoic breach
its just a system for ganking people and nothing else that complicated
shrewd grove
Teamplay in BF is impossible now honestly, considering the game is so mainstream you end up with idiots who only care about KD 99.9% of the time
prime pine
It does 30 something to churchill turret
stoic breach
well yeah thats the thing
prime pine
So of you get the angle right even out of it you can take them out
stoic breach
its a game sold to a mainstream audience
but every random player is expected to play like a clan member
only caring about TTK is perfectly fine in a shooter
solid hinge
Large emphasis on squad system and really terrible auto-sorting of it; every single round there's at least half the team in squads that aren't full because they're too lazy to manually swap out
stoic breach
But when you design a game where playstyles can literally disadvantage teammates, its a badly designed system
prime pine
Working with a squad can feel real special in the end
sonic rampart
^
shrewd grove
Caring about KD would be fine if the game didn't punish you for not playing with your team/squad all the time
sonic rampart
Sometimes you find these randoms who are amazing
solid hinge
i frequently have people leave my squad mid game, no one else gets added into it, then when I check the squad menu there's like 20 new people in the server that have been placed into their own squads instead of mine
prime pine
I remember while in the m5 I had to deal with a fucking asshole and we both had each others backs
stoic breach
thats the thing, thats people who go out of their way to play like a team
which is fine as well
prime pine
Oh ayla have you seem that little cinematic zero m5 clip I got
stoic breach
solo/teamwork balance
solid hinge
I havent!
manic sail
Squad is better than BF
prime pine
Ill go dig it up
stoic breach
passive/active balance
shrewd grove
If they want to really force teamplay they should have stuck with their guns on the original ideas
stoic breach
people say they want BF to be a sandbox, and then support systems that restrict the sandbox
stoic breach
BF was a "sandbox" because of how casual it was
shy badger
Ew
sonic rampart
What if they would remove KD
shy badger
Bods
stoic breach
then only boomers would play
manic sail
KD doesn’t matter
sonic rampart
^
manic sail
Win loss is where it’s at
sonic rampart
But some people only care about kd
shrewd grove
I love boomer games like Squad
stoic breach
dude who gives a fuck about people only caring about K/D
manic sail
Nobody on my team went AT so I suicide charged a tank and died 15 times before I killed the 2 players inside it
midnight nimbus
win-loss mattering in a game where you can't carry 
prime pine
Ewww blackout
sonic rampart
Well if you see people not working together in a Team
manic sail
I’m move valuable as a player than the guy who’s 20/9
shrewd grove
I love feeling like I've actually gotten to know my teammates over an hour long game, it's one of the most magical feelings
sonic rampart
You do care about it
prime pine
I care about my kd but I'm not crazy about it
I dont care about getting a 10 or some shit if I have to play like a passive ratshit
shrewd grove
Also yeah in BFV win/loss stat can be fucked up just because you have shitty teams lol
stoic breach
bodie you dont have to explain yourself lol
prime pine
My end goal is to get a 6 kd
stoic breach
its a casual game where you play how you want
prime pine
Thats all I care anout
stoic breach
if not working together hurts people on your team, its a problem with the game
gray glade
why do you want 6 kd
prime pine
Just to equalise it out
shrewd grove
It's a problem especially with something so mainstream and casual
stoic breach
BF has basically just turned into a skinner box
prime pine
Strive to get better
stoic breach
press button get reward
prime pine
Thats mine
stoic breach
pressed button give ammo get reward
prime pine
And to learn the game
sonic rampart
You did put a lot of time in it
shrewd grove
While I prefer the slower gameplay of the old BFs before 3, it's obvious that the series just can't go back to that anymore, no matter how hard they try
prime pine
True that. 2000 hours will be a big one
manic sail
Anything is possible
stoic breach
thats the thing though, if the modern games faciliated slow gameplay as well as it facilitates fast gameplay it wouldnt be a problem
shy badger
Ewwwwww bodsss
prime pine
Fly, tank infy
manic sail
After all, cod pulled MW after something like BO4
stoic breach
everyone has their own playstyle
sonic rampart
Thats like 83 days of your life bruh
shrewd grove
Honestly
prime pine
Its well spent
shrewd grove
If slower more methodical and team based games became more popular
prime pine
Cause despite all the shit I still enjoy this game
shrewd grove
I'd love it
manic sail
Like squad
sonic rampart
If you say so, your life lol
stoic breach
slow players punishing fast players with the right tactics, fast players punishing slow players with the right tactics
its all well and good to let everyone do their own thing
manic sail
That’s false
midnight nimbus
if you can't solo help your team
shrewd grove
Squad, Hell Let Loose, Post Scriptum, etc. I love them the most because of my interactions with my team lol
Even if we ain't doing anything
midnight nimbus
and you're just being held back by your team
whats the point of this teamplay meme
manic sail
Let’s make a team game we’re one person can win
shy badger
You live and die by your team ij many rts
prime pine
You shouldn't have to suffer because you're not being healed by your team
shy badger
And can't carry unless you take their slots
midnight nimbus
Let’s make a team game we’re one person can win
like some of the most team-based games out there?
CS
stoic breach
its definitely possible for one man carry in smite
manic sail
Squad
Can’t one man carry
prime pine
Forcing people to play a class just to play normally it just bad design
manic sail
Arma
Can’t one man carry
sonic rampart
Bruh
midnight nimbus
squad is an actual roleplay meme, nothing even close to an actual play-to-win experience
sonic rampart
Removing classes would be removing a core from battlefield
shrewd grove
Still fun tho
midnight nimbus
squad is literally like 99% people memeing on VOIP and blowing each other up with IEDs
sonic rampart
Would be weird tho
solid hinge
That was a beauty
prime pine
Just because a bunch of games have forced team work shouldn't mean it's necessary for new games to have it.
shrewd grove
That's what makes squad fun
prime pine
Oh the clip ayla?
shy badger
Classes are very important tp bf lol, but each should have a way to counter others
sonic rampart
^
prime pine
Its such a cool cinematic
stoic breach
ah well, its not really a mainstream game
shy badger
So that at least you don't feel useless
stoic breach
well the thing about classes is that its a way to organise gadgets with weapons
solid hinge
Kablooey
midnight nimbus
the clear way to make BF successful is to make it more like games that peak 10k players on a good day
prime pine
I know bailing from my plane is a sin
But
I had to get that other tank
Plus I had no super charger so I knew I was fucked LMAO
shrewd grove
Slow paced communication driven games that force teamwork don't rake in cash at all, even if I love them to death
stoic breach
BF right now is just this "tactical teamplay" echo chamber where people refuse innovation and just tell you to go play other games
manic sail
What
shrewd grove
Yeah
prime pine
You can design the game well with it but trying to do that in an Arcadic franchise doesn't work
stoic breach
BF can still maintin a core identity while innovating on its gameplay
manic sail
Not even close to tactical
midnight nimbus
why don't you just play squad then lol
stoic breach
Tactical is being able to understand situations and react to them
manic sail
Yes no
sonic rampart
Just have ‘hardcore mode’ back in the next game
shrewd grove
I'm fine just letting BF be BF
sonic rampart
For people who want to play tactical
stoic breach
weapon xp farm hardcore mode huh
prime pine
Sit your Sherman on the objective and anchor it on break through and help your team, that's pretty tactical.
Its simple
But you have the power
midnight nimbus
yeah ngl hardcore is actually megabased for ezfarming
BF1 HC was actually sublime
prime pine
Hardcore bf5 would be fun
midnight nimbus
shift+W and get 2-3x my normal K/D
stoic breach
lol yea
shrewd grove
BF4 Hardcore was great for farming weapon specific battlepacks lmao
hearty moss
hardcore planes only bfv
shy badger
Did hardline have HC?
prime pine
Yea
shy badger
Lmfao
prime pine
Was even more fucked
midnight nimbus
RSC war crimes in BF1 >>>
midnight nimbus
just quickscoping the entire lobby
hearty moss
sure, you veichle players should get seperate servers
shrewd grove
RSC is wonderful
stoic breach
Auto revolver hipfire in HC
hearty moss
rsc is hidden gem
hearty moss
*planes on Fjell entered the chat
prime pine
Snap aim
shrewd grove
There's a 24/7 hardcore server that's usually up and full on PC @midnight nimbus
You'd probably have fun with it
prime pine
Its bad for multi
midnight nimbus
yeh too bad its RSPed
shrewd grove
You'll have to find it with the terrible server browser lol
prime pine
Anyone fly the ju88c much here or is it just me?
prime pine
That cannon is a thing of beauty
shrewd grove
BFV planes feel like paper
prime pine
Which ones
What you mean
Im used to the flying patterns so I'm not too affected. But when they changed the physics they really limited it
solid hinge
BfV planes feel very floaty
shrewd grove
They're incredibly floaty now
prime pine
Would you believe the mosquito mk2 was one of the best before the change?
prime pine
Im more used to the turning of the planes so again I can't complain much
wet fossil
It's not just aesthetic, everyone feels more... separate
prime pine
The corsair and zero are extra slow but fuck
Their speeds are consistent at least
No matter what you choose youre always in a fighter that can do everything
solid hinge
Everyone in bf1 looks the same
prime pine
The m2 and 1a are now bad anyways
The A6m5 and f4a 1 c are the best /pacific/ planes in the game
shrewd grove
I liked that in BF1 I could actually tell classes apart
stoic breach
everyone looking the same in BF1 is pretty good
prime pine
Rockets do the same damage as bombs being more accurate
stoic breach
if they just let you change the faces it would've been good enough
solid hinge
I like bfv cosmetics but maby for the next game having cosmetics locked for certain classes would work better
prime pine
Commandos being at it actually is cool
stoic breach
class locked cosmetics/gadgets on the playermodel would be really good
prime pine
The uniform often enough shows you how accomplished a player is
If they're some bad ass wearing a suit and shit you know they're good
stoic breach
If BF removed the squad leader, and recons got the radio on their backs by default it would be much nicer
shrewd grove
Hell Let Loose has character customisation but still keeps small tells on each character, like medic having an armband, machine gunners having a belt of ammo around his neck, etc
shy badger
I like bfv cosmetics but maby for the next game having cosmetics locked for certain classes would work better
@solid hinge I think just having a unique item for each class we'll do the trick
stoic breach
yeah
prime pine
If theyre often enough basic then they're not super flashy
So they look like regular soldiers
shy badger
Will*
stoic breach
class recognition is like subconciously really useful to people
shrewd grove
Just something small
stoic breach
yeah cause over time you'll eventually just get used to the tells
and be able to quickly recognise
BFV medics should've gotten crutches on their back
like BF1
and also camouflage patterns is just 🗿
really stupid to make camo in a game where visibility starts bad and gets worse
alot of people say the visibility is fine for them and thats great, good for you
solid hinge
I never had problems with the visibility
shrewd grove
In HLL seeing a guy with ammo boxes on his back is an instant tell that yeah, that guy either has an STG or and MP40 and I should get someone to deal with him right away
stoic breach
but theres no reason not to make it easy for people anyways
prime pine
Im used to the visibility so yay my eyes are better
shrewd grove
Class recognition is a wonderful thing in games
stoic breach
people who can deal with it dont get any more benefit, but people who cant deal with it certainly do get the benefits
systems that help more people over systems that hinder people and are just fine for others
like for me, my eyes have a hard time distinguishing greys from other greys, as I have learned over time
prime pine
I almost got fooled by a ghillie suit from a distance
stoic breach
yeah
prime pine
Its actually really cool
stoic breach
camo would be borderline ok in a game with alot of options for spotting
prime pine
Im just glad the ghillie suit was released
stoic breach
"if you hide without shooting, you stay undetected" kind of thing
solid hinge
People definitely over react to the visibility in bfv
wet fossil
Jesus when's the last time I saw fog on Rotterdam
stoic breach
dude its not an overreaction if you cant see properly, what kind of stupid take is that
prime pine
Rather not stare at my minimap for enemies
solid hinge
I have had no problems seeing people on the map and when I do it's just me being tired
stoic breach
yeah and thats great for you if you can see
but that doesnt represent the entire playerbase
wet fossil
The fog here actually looks really good
subtle yoke
prime pine
You are fish
idle breach
fish
subtle yoke
subtle yoke
subtle yoke
solid hinge
subtle yoke
am fishie
tough lodge
Cant recognize classes in bfv in a glimpse
unlike previous games
if only they added something distinct
idle breach
good
tough lodge
to the class
subtle yoke
wet fossil
Had a M30 rifle bullet headshot do only 75 damage because there was a small window in the way
subtle yoke
prime pine
tough lodge
Assault - have their equipped launcher at back
Medics - med pouch at belt
Support - ammo pouch at belt
Recon - equipped gadget 1
storm sapphire
is there a polish version in bf5?
tough lodge
Language settings i guess?
idle breach
porolly
wet fossil
I just want classes to have like unique cosmetics that only they have
solid hinge
Same
wet fossil
I'm sick of seeing some guy in a longcoat and soft cap, assuming they're a sniper, and then they whirl around and blast me with a shotgun
solid hinge
Yeah
prime pine
Shotgun!
solid hinge
I always assume that too
subtle yoke
im still playing battlefield 4 so i dont feel your pain
prime pine
Well I guess you wrongly assume my support being a sniper then
wet fossil
I set up all my classes to reflect their roles.
prime pine
With her coat
wet fossil
My German sniper has the Ruvido set.
Longcoat and bandolier of rifle rounds.
Looks really good.
solid hinge
I like to use hinterland stalker and the other halloween cosmetic for my support player
My sniper use the more casual clothing
idle breach
your are ur you
solid hinge
stable grove
can i know when the next trailer open?
idle breach
mmm duinno
wet fossil
My Support uses the Ratburner helmet.
wet fossil
A lot of people don't like it, but I find that it suits the machine gunner role and the usage of the blowtorch
solid hinge
Update is still planned this week I believe
solid hinge
No
That's not nice
I expected some bottle trick them some ass fisting
That's not appropriate and you know it
hearty moss
hello
solid hinge
No
wet fossil
The fuck is this shit
solid hinge
I'ma head out
idle breach
wtf
wet fossil
@strange osprey Get in here we've got some spammers
prime pine
@compact oxide @solid hinge
wet fossil
I bet they think they're being cute
Fuckin bots don't realise that we don't allow embeds here
hearty moss
ebob lowkey cod player
solid hinge
They last this long but someone who accidentally posts something in the wrong chat gets obliterated instantly
wet fossil
Fucking hell discord needs some kind of mute button
solid hinge
You can just block them
wet fossil
Oh yeah
solid hinge
You can also mute servers
wet fossil
Oop there we go
compact oxide
Thanks guys wasn't looking at chat
idle breach
can i call any mod
wet fossil
Who the hell sent those bots here
solid hinge
How would anyone know
compact oxide
Some idiot
solid hinge
Narrowed it down quite alot
compact oxide
@idle breach if it happens again message modmail and it'll ping us all
idle breach
okay!
solid hinge
It's sad that stuff happens and I instantly click most links when I see them
I never learn tho
solid hinge
I delete bfv for bf4
Big brain
^
bfv will live on as a good meme
that's all its good for anyways. meme content
It's a good game but it's just shit
Shit battlefield but it's a good game
I think a little too much effort was put into detail nobody notices in ginfites
gun fights*
like cooool.... im leaving snow tracks behind me! gets face pumped Full of lead
subtle yoke
oof
subtle yoke
wet fossil
Why is it every time I get in a bren carrier they have absolutely no idea how to drive the fucking thing
solid hinge
Maby because no one knows how to drive
wet fossil
Like they just drive it into the biggest fucking tree they can find about ten metres from spawn
solid hinge
Lol
wet fossil
And then spend the next half hour trying to drive through it
amber pine
Lol
solid hinge
Sometimes I hit into a tree but it's usually because I can't drive
I avoid driving because its so weird in bfv
hoary condor
yeah feels a bit buggy (though it isn't)
amber pine
solid hinge
You hit the smallest jump and the vehicle goes flying
prime pine
Wheeeeee
wet fossil
BTs were fucking great
solid hinge
Tank went for a swim
amber pine
bashes head against metal
solid hinge
I manage to do that anyway
prime pine
Fwwwoohhhhh
solid hinge
Reminds me of those cars that do the jumpy thing
barren mango
Lowriders?
compact oxide
The hydrolics
worthy wharf
compact oxide
Like those 90's gangsta cars
hoary condor
wouldn't race those
when my truck on bfv is on two wheels and i'm trying to get it back up right
solid hinge
hey how do you get camos for example wolf torso or gravedigger torso
Level up the classes and equip the correct assignments for it
what level
I can't remember
over 10?
Level 10 you unlock the special class cosmetics
ionic folio
Hey what do you guys think is the most overrated battlefield game?
brave coral
i would say bc2 is quite possibly up there
solid hinge
Yeah
brave coral
i mean i didn’t play it but i imagine it’s a lot of nostalgia that makes people rate it highly
solid hinge
And that's a problem
brave coral
like i’m not denying that it probably was a good game for the time, but people act as if the gameplay is the best of any battlefield and it’s like... that’s simply not the case
solid hinge
You could only crouch and stand
brave coral
it just had some innovation with dynamic destruction
solid hinge
They also say it has less campers but I swear there is someone in every tree
brave coral
but people hype up a bfbc3 and it would just not live up to the expectations because they’re impossibly high
slender drift
That’s because those people tend to wear rose-tinted glasses whenever looking back at old games they’ve played, seeing only pleasant things.
barren mango
Or there is a 3rd team of people
"Yeah yeah [game] was amazing, love it"
Just supporters of the common thinking
prime pine
Games were overrated for a reason
prime pine
Bf3 had a shittone of hype and was a generally solid game
Bf1 was new and refreshing
Another factor is that as they aged they worked
General Community love
solid hinge
But people say Bf3 is better than bf4 although I feel bf4 took Bf3 and made it better
prime pine
Bf4 was pretty much an expansion
gray saffron
Bf4 should have been an expansion
prime pine
Like a continuation
gray saffron
Hay sirpa
gray saffron
Fine fine, watched midway. Fun movie
prime pine
Ah
gray saffron
How are thou?
brave coral
i think it’s fair to say that they were solid games but some of the hype that still persists is not warranted
prime pine
Im alright, I got something spinning in my head and it won't go
gray saffron
Might be that wikey from last nite
brave coral
i saw someone raving about bf3 and bf4 movement being ‘so much better than the new games’ and like. what?
prime pine
Kek
Its something else
In bf3 you could skip and increase your speed to a ludicrous amount
brave coral
i played the MW remastered campaign and the movement stuff kept throwing me off
like crouch sprint is so nice
and it feels very strange to not be able to do it
prime pine
It feels weird going back to old battlefields and not being able to slide without losing speed
gray saffron
I kept trying to vault stuff that is not vaultable in mw but is in bfv
brave coral
yeah i’ve not even played MW2019 but the vaulting looks very awkward a lot of the tim
like they attached the code to the surfaces rather than the player model or something so it’s a lot less fluid
idk if that’s the actual reason but it just looks funky
stoic breach
in a way it helps to design maps with very specific bounaries and geometry
gray saffron
Generally meshes in the world need to have a trigger box to allow you to vault over it i think
brave coral
it’s probably a case of cod having much tighter boxes so you have to be pushed right up against some surfaces to vault
gray saffron
Perhaps yeah
wet fossil
What the hell is it with aces in this game
They all have the ability to just lose all of their airspeed without changing anything about their vector at all.
I get on their tail, and they just stop and I immediately overshoot
stoic breach
MW doesnt have clamber either
wet fossil
It's like the fuckers have retrorockets or something
brave coral
you don’t know about the handbrake?
stoic breach
tano is not having a good time 😔
wet fossil
Al Sundan is fucking cursed to me
Never had a good time there.
You can't see shit through all the heat haze but planes still dominate somehow
solid hinge
The heat haze is disgusting
It would have been nice if they reduced its effect significantly
Or removed it
solid hinge
I get a cold feeling when playing those mmaps ffor some reason
It looks cold
I don't know how to explain it
It's definitely not the heat it wants us to think
eternal fox
sup battlefielders
im not bad with planes in BF1 actually i done some clutch things with planes
hoary condor
I enjoy shooting planes out the sky 
solid hinge
With Lewis gun
sonic moss
So the trailer can come out anytime this week?
hoary condor
we don't know, there isn't a concrete date as of yet and with things the way they are. I wouldn't expect it just yet
brave coral
i think they said the update is coming this week and the date hasn’t changed so it’s safe to assume the trailer will come as well
solid hinge
Trailer then a few hours later the update I'm guessing
brave coral
or at least patch day hasn’t been changed. idk if it’s this week because we havent had a date
gray saffron
I prefer tp shred them with my 4 x 20mm in ju88c, sirpa
brave coral
i would hazard a guess at trailer tomorrow, patch on thursday?
gray saffron
The hitmarker spam is delicious with 4x20mm
hoary condor
i wouldn't expect anything this week
Again, with everything going on in the world. I think eyes need to be looked at not video games, more of the state of what's going on. Main thing is for dice/ea employees to stay well and safe
solid hinge
Atleast they have a decent excuse to delay stuff but I doubt people will understand
shy badger
Again, with everything going on in the world.
@hoary condor
Didn't know the US was the whole world
hoary condor
covid also
solid hinge
hoary condor
but this is off topic from #battlefield-legacy-titles
shy badger
All the delays rn aren't because covid
solid hinge
Yes but covid is definitely helping the delays
hoary condor
well people are working from home and may not have a great setup / internet connection etc to help be more efficient at work. Trust me, i work in an IT departmant for a company of 9000 people
but again, off topic.
solid hinge
Why?
prime pine
Such a good plane
solid hinge
Which type of plane
prime pine
1c
solid hinge
Attack?
prime pine
Yeah and is excellent at strafing and destroying tanks
solid hinge
With bomber planes I can drop supplies for my team and drop bombs for the enemy
I wish America and Japan had bomber planes
The planes are too easy to learn with the Pacific maps aswell
I got good with them after using them a few times
celest wagon
quiet sedge
For some reason I just cant learn the American plane but i learnt the jap plane really quickly
prime pine
The m5 and 1c are the best planes
quiet sedge
I just dont get it, in the America plane I'm never effective, I rarely shoot down enemies and my bombs do little damage, but in the jap plane it's like I'm the king of the sky and I dont know why
quiet sedge
Ahhh that could be it
solid hinge
nose mounted makes it significantly easier to hit targets
A thing about planes is I never seem to take down planes as fast as they can take me down
prime pine
Without practice wing mounted is harder
solid hinge
So practice with American planes and you should be fine?
i still feel like I get hitreg issues in planes so i flip a coin and pray usually
gray saffron
heads or tails?
frigid gale
come join Ep00ns frontlines community server
gray saffron
try advertising it in r/bfvcommunitygames
frigid gale
Thanks
shy badger
@gray saffron is there a discord for it too?
gray saffron
yeah, but i get banned if i post it prolly ;D
shy badger
Fair enough
novel blaze
i learned how to fly planes in bf3 got good
and suddenly became good in other games too
exotic inlet
quiet sedge
I was always more of a chopper man myself
viscid aurora
I'd give it another hour
gray saffron
gib us info noaw
viscid aurora
Pretty sad that they can't even make an official annoucement
prime pine
I wish dice punished people for leaving games early
unborn pumice
yeah, that would be cool
fossil heron
Nah, the games unbalanced i wouldn't want to be stuck in a game thats 32v16
unborn pumice
yeah, its 32v16 because ppl leaving early 😄
fossil heron
No they leave in between games and then the game doesn't autobalance once the game starts
violet finch
Trailer?
gray saffron
no, this is patrick
fossil heron
Lmao
thorn briar
Dead game
wet fossil
Environmental LODs are being a big oof today
stoic breach
wew
wet fossil
Everything looks like Company Of Heroes assets
nimble prawn
Anyone a good spotter looking for a sniper?
stoic breach
i dont think people take the game that seriously
hollow igloo
@formal basalt that beat hits hard lol
nimble prawn
Lol ya if anyone is a good spotter im lookin for one that is good at callin out distance trust me as long as i got the cordinates and distance ill blow anyones head off from over 2 miles away
soft juniper
prime pine
Got kamikazed at the end
wet fossil
Model 8's at rank ten now.
prime pine
Fucking useless Lebanese Rambo Lebanese fuck
wet fossil
Between that and the Type 11, I'd say today's been alright
That guy's a right bastard.
prime pine
Model 8 is real fun
stoic breach
Model 8 is pretty decent
prime pine
All he does is aa and play passive
wet fossil
Vindictive son of a bitch.
stoic breach
hahaha
wet fossil
Rambo flies plenty too
prime pine
Yeah I was watching the skies
wet fossil
Does a lot actually, but if you kill him he'll come back with a right vengeance.
I was on your squad there actually
stoic breach
still wish the SLRs got buffed cause talking about hype weapons is fun
wet fossil
Also: menu's got a habit of not listening to the controller after leaving the server.
stoic breach
wew
coral fiber
I found that pressing the 3 Bars button on the xbox controller fixes that
icy sluice
You mean enter?
icy sluice
For some reason every game's UI just falters for me
Far Cry 5's, DooM Eternal's, Battlefield V's, Tekken's and the Xbox Guide itself
wet fossil
BF1 had a very nice UI, but it was plagued with issues until the end
BF4's gets laggy as shit when just looking at the weapons page
coral fiber
Bf1 UI I thought was good
Bfv's UI doesn't render shit lmao
Maybe that's because I play console lol
icy sluice
Yeah BFV's UI isn't just images like previous games
wet fossil
BF4 doesn't even let you change your loadout outside a match or the test range
fossil heron
The OG one has a hard time rendering the menu
icy sluice
Also, I should be extremely close to the Boys Gold Dogtag, I need like 20 kills or so
Oh wait, I should have it... maybe I got it right after I took someone's tags and it blended in
The weapons I am gonna focus on now are Turner SMLE, MP34, ZK-383, Selbstlader 1916 and 1906
raw orbit
lol tano im pretty sure they did that to push their dumbass companion app
yeah dude download the app so you can change your loadout without having to join a game first 
icy sluice
I unironically used the Battlefield Companion app to change my class while loading into a match of BF1 lul
raw orbit
also bf4s main menu is like 2fps for me for some reason
wet fossil
Only thing I used the app for was getting myself a custom emblem.
raw orbit
fair enough staffet but at least in bf1 youre not forced to use it lol
wet fossil
No anime tiddies for me
stoic breach
i used the BF1 companion app to remove my primary weapon and only spawn with a pistol cause it was dumb
