the launch maps were all so small
#battlefield-legacy-titles
solid hinge
I don’t trust a guy who’s bad in bfv, jer
first map, Narvik, is like a straight up box
narvik is nasty
Fjell is godly
rotterdam is disgusting
fjell is a meatgrinder
Narvik was def a red flag
it's the same thing as gallipoli
you take a point
once that map was displayed I knew this game's maps would be shit asf
the enemy team takes a point
Fjell is a good map but remove the planes it would be a better map
Rotterdam was specialized for infantry like just about every other launch map
i have a secret to reveal
i bought the pre order of bfv
F
and i gave them 70 dollars
Deluxe edition?
yiikes
DON'T SAY IT'S NAME
....
people got it for like 15 dollars after just a year
rotter weasnt only for inf
Towel edition?
yeah i also did the same thing with swbf2
just bad map
Rotter was mostly infantry lets be real here
i pre-ordered two bad games
tanks are godlike on it tho
and i was like
compact oxide
I also preordered deluxe
compact oxide
And got a month of origin access premier to get early early access
compact oxide
And have regretted it ever since 
compact oxide
Why thanks
still patio
has anyone wondered before
what actually causes a team to beat another team
in a game of conquest or whatever
solid hinge
could be a hacker if you are on PC
if it's an all cap it's 50% a hacker on the other team
@still patio the losing team is prob passive af and just not doing much
One team is smarter than the other
still patio
like the chances of every (or almost every) player in team A being better at gunfights than every player in team B is very slim, no?
solid hinge
On Marita it's a red flag for sure if one team gets base camped
like its garunteed hacks
The good team moves and PTFO’s more
well i'm gonna go play
war thunder
Ew
Dirty simp
you're brain is to young to understand the beauty of that game
You betray bf for that abomination?
yes
Gerrare here
Dice betrayed us, why not betray BFV back
i'm a proud lancaster owner
now
How
hours and hours of grinding
and selling my soul for premium
No i was talking to @solid hinge
wow
that hurts
Ur soul isn’t worth anything
Maybe for a pure chocolate bar
it's worth three days of premium
by not making a proper WW2 game
foxhole simulator
and changing the TTK without fixing it for months
But according to @gray saffron bfv is a proper ww2 game
let alone changing the TTK after people told them not to twice
they had a good team on bfv
which ultimately killed the game quite a bit
just executives wanted to pump something out
i'm sure if bfv was given until 2021 or 2020
it would be one of the best ww2 games out there
but ea executives probably wanted to respond to cod ww2
it was probably planned to have been released in 2021
heard two Bf games were worked on during dev but idk
i think our problem shouldn't be with the team
they did the best they could
with the time given
our problem should be with the executives
it would explain why BFV was so rushed and uncoordinated
who told us not to buy the game
but now off to war thunder
SJW’s and P.C killed the game
sjw executives*
astral ermine
How?
solid hinge
the executives arent sjws
high timber
hi
solid hinge
they just wanted to pander to sjws
high timber
is this about battlefield
solid hinge
^
who wasnt gonna buy the game anyways
they literally control the game bud
theres a difference
No its genderfield
solid hinge
DONT LIKE IT DONT BUY IT AND BOOM LEFT THE STUDIO BEFORE THE GAME CAME OUT
astral ermine
Bruh did you see the recon for germany in bf1?
solid hinge
Yeah he looks thicc
solid hinge
People had problems with it for the scout being black but bfv made it worse
astral ermine
I mean yeah he's a soldiers he needs to work that bod
high timber
unlike this new trash game
solid hinge
Which game is trash
astral ermine
You can at least change you appearance in v
solid hinge
90% of the players don’t know how
people complained that bf1 soldiers looked generic and each class had the same face
I liked it tbh
astral ermine
They say the newest game is trash all the time, you should have seen the shit mw2 got when it was the most recent cod
solid hinge
it was funny looking at best squad screen and seeing 5 medics all with same face
No stupid outfit customizations in a historical setting
COD players complain about every single detail
@astral ermine true
compact oxide
Bfv is legit awful tho
solid hinge
BF players worst about it
high timber
@solid hinge lol how do you know
solid hinge
@astral ermine cod mw2 was a hit and survived
high timber
so accurate
compact oxide
Genuinely unenjoyable game
solid hinge
camping in MW isn't even necessarily easy
high timber
cod players never stop fucking complaining
solid hinge
it ez
solid hinge
people that complain about campers are usually just trash at games and run into the same spot every time they die
let's be real here
high timber
yes
if you camp in cod it makes people mad
and they try rushing you every time
they know exactly where you are
but still fail
astral ermine
Yeah but at the time people seethed online
deep forge
I love when I get fucking smacked by a flamethrower on operation underground
solid hinge
can't believe there was even a flamethrower on that map
grand inlet
Bf4 anyon e ?
solid hinge
and there was a hacker in the same lobby, twice the fun
high timber
bf4 for true fans
deep forge
what is wrong with the devs honestly
deep forge
a katana would’ve been better
astral ermine
Never played 4 tbh
high timber
i replayed bf2 and i realized its more team based
grand inlet
Anyone ever player the coop missions on bf3 ?
high timber
to destroy tanks
solid hinge
3/4 are so much more enjoyable than V since the main mode in the game isn't garbage
high timber
bf2 maps were sick
solid hinge
@grand inlet i need someone for the co-op on PC for the weapons
astral ermine
Rush on bf3 was amazing
astral ermine
Conquest on bfv is god awful
solid hinge
Squad play in BF2 was amazing
astral ermine
Wait was that the us vs China one?
solid hinge
Strike at Karkand should've been in BF4 instead of Gulf idk
high timber
gulf is nice
solid hinge
i don't think BF4 has one Conquest Assault map
solid hinge
yeah that sandstorm ruined it a bit
high timber
i loved the open sand
solid hinge
wasn't completely awful though with the storm, kinda made it unique
high timber
just running across the sand
solid hinge
The Towers on F and the Hotel on G ooo
solid hinge
Silk Road 😋
high timber
yeah that was cool
but i think urban warfare is cooler
bf2 had realistic elementes
grand inlet
I'm a mere peasant on ps4
solid hinge
I like the approach BFV went for but it was not executed well at all
ty for your overgeneralization
wish it played more like BF2 at least
high timber
like in bf2 single shot guns were the only good thing to sue
use
sure you could use burst but it was less accurate
astral ermine
My review of squad conquest: fucking garbage, full of clan stacked sweats. Everything shit about regular conquest is magnified by a billion. Can't even rank vehicles cuz at most one spawns at a map.
high timber
is squad conquest a gamemode
solid hinge
astral ermine
Yeah
high timber
what is it
solid hinge
why dont you know
astral ermine
Conquest but with a total of 16 people on a reduced map
high timber
??????????????
gray saffron
squad conquest isn't really a vehicle map
high timber
normal conquest is cool
high timber
no its not
astral ermine
Rush and breakthrough are better
carmine lion
agreed
astral ermine
At least in 3 and v
solid hinge
in BFV, Conquest is so terrible
astral ermine
Rush but with flags
carmine lion
yeah 3 has the best rush in my opinion
carmine lion
yes
astral ermine
All the other have been nerfed
I barely played rush on the others because it was eh
carmine lion
yeah same
solid hinge
do you play BF3 on console or PC?
carmine lion
pc
high timber
i like battlefield when it was more about being a squad
solid hinge
BF3 Conquest on Console is boring but on PC it's like a completely different game
high timber
aek 971 biggest tryhard gun
solid hinge
AEK was brutal in 3
carmine lion
yeah i haven't play bf3 on console in ages
solid hinge
@high timber what was the last battlefield you played
high timber
why
high timber
i played battlefield 3 4 hardline and 1
solid hinge
i miss when you could only spawn on the Squad Leader
that's prob why Squad Play was so strong in 2
same with Commander
high timber
i played lots of bf2 when i was very young
solid hinge
all BFV needed was to make it so that you could only spawn on Leader and it would be BF2
high timber
i had lots of mods
solid hinge
BFV should've kept attrition and low TTK but encouraged more squad play and teamwork
high timber
battlefield just turning into a frag fest
solid hinge
it got arcadified 😦
high timber
yes
solid hinge
its a shame too because BFV was on the right track in the beta
high timber
i want a game the focuses on classes
that*
engineer class repairs vehicles anti tank
i liked how in bf2 if you were in a vehicle with a medic it would heal you
prime pine
An94!
icy sluice
Yeah
coral fiber
Maybe...
icy sluice
Imagine teabagging because you have contributed nothing to the team since we still have 5 planes flying around and all of the objectives 
coral fiber
Lol
fossil heron
Dude told me to go against them and I said sure lets get a squaf conquest match going
Then they blocked me
stoic breach
nice
high timber
hi
solid hinge
when u want to spawn closer to the point but gotta hike cause literally no one in your squad is remotely close to the objective
all 3 of them are literally in bushes at spawn
well one is camping AA but the other two are in bushes
high timber
hi demon
solid hinge
hey
high timber
have u played bf4
solid hinge
yes
amber pine
Lmao
amber pine
He be raging
coral fiber
Trolling the bfv subreddit be like
amber pine
Same
solid hinge
the enemy team legit 22 people
vs our 32
but we aint took a single objective, cause no one will ptfo
passive camping mfs
solid hinge
im on pacific storm rn
and thats exactly whats happening
the few of us ptfo getting overwhelmed
and everyone else camping in bushes on the previous island
tanks too
sounds like just about every map in battlefront 2 galactic assault
fossil heron
Pilot mains complaining makes me laugh
uneven hollow
Just wait till you hear about kamikaze mains complaining
fossil heron
If you one trick any aspect of this game you're gunna run into walls here and there
solid hinge
im currently stuck in a 2 man squad and this dude is a pilot main
contributing nothing tbh
shy badger
oOf
fossil heron
That blows
fossil heron
My whole team was just stuck in spawn on breakthrough devestation
solid hinge
rather than wait for the plane to respawn
he just quits, prob to join another pacific map
fossil heron
That's what they do
uneven hollow
Tbh the ground people could spot said pilot target
fossil heron
If they have fun doin that fair enough but dont complain when they try and give the farmables a little bit of a chance
stoic breach
rip pilot mains
uneven hollow
Indeed
stoic breach
gettin shit on for not being good team players
uneven hollow
Time for kamikaze mains to rise up
stoic breach
how do you expect anyone in a plane to play as part of a "team"
fossil heron
I still get instakilled by attack planes while im in an AA from a plane that I never saw 500m in the air
prime pine
You can destroy tanks and destroy clusters of infantry
With a plan
Plane
That's all they can do to contribute
uneven hollow
Well with a plane with a plan
stoic breach
the folly of planes
uneven hollow
stoic breach
they can literally only get kills
prime pine
With flares you can spot people over objectives
shy badger
Noot noot
fossil heron
Im telling you way 75% of planes avoid eachother
prime pine
And assist the team
stoic breach
and they get accused of not being good team players 
prime pine
Noot noot!
shy badger
how do you expect anyone in a plane to play as part of a "team"
Flare and target enemy bombers
stoic breach
plane flares are the biggest pieces of shit in the game
theres no way to prevent yourself from getting spotted
icy sluice
Plane Flares have had a pretty huge nerf
prime pine
They're borderline useless
1A and M2 were great for infantry support
Now they are no longer
shy badger
I used them on the bf109 and they're just fine wdym
stoic breach
useless but they dont have a counter
prime pine
Useless as in they barely work
prime pine
They only work within 100M but the radius shrinks so quickly with the flare
so
And even slighter higher than that they dont work
shy badger
I used it on the D flag ij hamada and ut seemed to work i dunno
No clue why they didn't just increase their size
For planes
stoic breach
quickly shrinking flare radius is pretty much the only way to balance them
otherwise they're too useful
shy badger
Seems a better fix than that
prime pine
I'd change it by increasing their reload time
45 secs per paradrop, They're still useful but not spammable
shy badger
They can be kept powerful if infis can take them down easily
stoic breach
planes already kind of suffer from on/off gameplay
shy badger
Problem is you couldn't see them nost of the timr
stoic breach
yeah
solid hinge
i destroyed a plane with a tank
shy badger
But a simple fix would just to make them more visibile
stoic breach
flares/radius of any kind should appear on the minimap to show players where they're being spotted from
prime pine
They'd have to change filters and shit to make them more stand out on bright maps
coral fiber
Flares are ok now
stoic breach
I definitely agree with the visibility thing
The lack of information has been an issue in the game from the start
shy badger
They'd have to change filters and shit to make them more stand out on bright maps
And thats something thar should pose a challenge?
Oh wait
uneven hollow
I mean was the plane on the ground or did it try to kamikaze you
stoic breach
lol
prime pine
They can't manage stable patches
stoic breach
it would be ok if they showed up on the minimap as flare icons
same with recon flares
counter-intel is as good as kills, if you actually want players to think about the way the game works
knowing that you could be killed is really powerful
the "you are spotted" thing was a good idea for that reason
high timber
hi
tight rain
Howdy brother
celest nimbus
I just found out no hud, no weapons except like the mk 18 servers are there
On ps4
Most fun ive had in battlefield, its so realistic
tight rain
Thats neat
stoic breach
that sounds kind of shit
A true design challenge is designing your game so that it still works with no hud/minimal hud
At that point, your game's visibility would have to be extremely good
Best case scenario would probably be "no hud" where all the information is displayed in the game world
fossil heron
Thats really difficult to do
stoic breach
Its definitely easier in futuristic games
with ammo displays on guns and shit
Titanfall 2 could probably handle pilots vs pilots with no hud honestly
Grenade/ability cooldowns are displayed next to the reticle
All weapons have their ammo displayed around the optic
icy sluice
CoD IW's and Advanced Warfare's campaign had this thing where the ammo counters were holograms
stoic breach
Yeah that actually works well
Futuristic games definitely handle no-hud alot better
icy sluice
This is how it looked like
Of course audio cues can help which there are weapons that do that in V
You can hear the magazine getting closer to depletion with guns like the Bren, Lewis, STG44
stoic breach
Yeah audio cues definitely help for any shooter, in terms of supplementary information
Yeah
Titanfall 2 handles that as well, really fucking well
prime pine
Oh God the rattling
celest nimbus
Problem with battlefield 1 no hud is that
The defenders are always at an advantage
You dont know where the point is, where the enemy is, you are limited to only 1 rifle
But its realistic and its adds a new challenge to the game
icy sluice
I remember someone in BFEE said the Gewehr M.95 had a huge advantage over other Bolt Action rifles for making a "Ching!" noise when you were on the last bullet
¯_(ツ)_/¯
Also, if you're playing without a hud, audio helps to know if someone is bleeding out and calling for a medic.
stoic breach
yeah the CHING sound is really nice for the M95
The bleedout thing though
Dead players with no-hud in BFV is just really shit because enemy player's dead bodies also have animations
They should only be client side based on what team you're on but they're not
icy sluice
It's pretty obvious on what team you're on majority of the time
Unless you're not paying attention...
Of course that means they're calling for a medic, that might mean a medic is around
stoic breach
I made sort of a tangent but yeah
In the heat of the moment, those kinds of sounds might get lost in gunfire and explosion
Even as a medic, your priority is to stay alive so you can help people in safety, not risk your own life in the middle of a fight
Obviously if theres no trouble, its pretty easy to help dead players
queen canopy
So
I can see why people hate planes
Just dropped 85 kills with a spitfire on Hamada breakthrough
stoic breach
good for that random guy with an FF
queen canopy
I was already low from an AA so he got lucky
stoic breach
yeah
queen canopy
Can’t wait to see it posted on reddit 7 times!
stoic breach
queen canopy
Had this chad mosquito pilot as well though, saved my ass once or twice
prime pine
Reminds me when cyanide, Connor and I all flew mosquito's on fjell and just constantly racked in multi kills
And yelled out BIG BOMB
It was so fucked. At the start you would hear three fucking big bombs
prime pine
They were idiots and they couldn't take us down with their own fighters
stoic breach
hahaha
wet fossil
BF4 campaign again, figure I'll unlock me a P90.
Scripted drive almost hits a civilian, much to Pac's consternation, and then it drives straight through another one without any comment and the guy clips through...
I've seen it happen every single time.
Like seriously it is such an obvious thing how did they never patch this
Also hitting that gunship at the end of the first level was bullshit
compact oxide
Worst part of that campaign is swimming in the ship I keep getting pushed back to the start and it's almost impossible to actually get to the end
wet fossil
They never actually build on what the fuck that EMP was about
It looked like a high altitude nuke, but after something like that there'd be a hell of a lot more problems
noble field
Are there any obliteration servers? I need it for the trophy
Haven't seen any recently
wet fossil
Okay seriously what the fuck is up with this swimming segment
Did they do any form of quality control on this?
wet fossil
Seriously it just stops you dead at multiple points for no reason
compact oxide
Yup
wet fossil
Like I dunno is it supposed to represent the current? Ship tilts and water moves in and out?
Because if that was the intention then the fucking floating paint bits and such should be the indicator
compact oxide
It's just broken af
Only way I found to get past is to stop then go instantly occasionally
Stop start stop start
wet fossil
It's like the campaign was released just as broken as the multiplayer was at launch
But it never got patched.
DICE LA never took a look at it
compact oxide
That's exactly it tbh
Because its broken af but not impossible to complete so not a priority
The bugs were made by Bethesda
wet fossil
So many bugs.
tough lodge
Battlefield Harline 2 when
wet fossil
Like, for instance, the hovering JF-17
solid hinge
Bfv
visual mango
BF 2 remastered when?
robust mountain
cold war BF when?
visual mango
I unistalled BF V because no D-day 😛
visual mango
I mean Omaha beach map 😄
worthy wharf
im glad they dont have d-day tbh
every ww2 game in existence has dday lol
nice to change it up a bit
wet fossil
Bugger D-Day
If it's Omaha I don't care
Wait isn't Dima the guy who failed to stop the Paris tacnuke
The one who had it go off in his face
How the fuck is he alive?
And why is he in a Chinese prison?
idle breach
okay let's have a map called d-day but
it's just about 1944.6.6. not not normandy
64 players are just gathered around a radio and listening to news about allied landing on normandy
lavish tartan
solid hinge
So are we looking for a Cold War bf or a modern bf?
solid hinge
2097
wet fossil
Another graphical error in the BF4 campaign
All these Russian troops have Chinese flags on their shoulders.
Even during the first mission, when China hasn't gotten involved at all yet.
tough lodge
Indie company
wet fossil
Like, their uniforms are correct for Russians
It's just the damn flags.
Unless they're doing that thing where they send troops in to insert themselves into an armed group of their choosing
You know, like the Ukrainian 'rebels'
Or all those Mig pilots during Vietnam and Korea.
still patio
i want a futuristic bf tbh, that would give loads of freedom to the devs to make a sandboxy game
stoic breach
Modern or Future would be alright for BF
Although future is generally best left to Halo or Titanfall
eager shore
Imagine the sounds of Modern Warfare 2019, but everything sounds good.
still patio
lmao
stoic breach
everything does sound good in that game tho
wet fossil
Proper future is what we really need
still patio
its pretty mediocre i'd say
wet fossil
Because seriously
still patio
the sound
wet fossil
The only Battlefield-like game anywhere near that is Planetside.
eager shore
Footsteps? What's that? -Modern Warfare.
still patio
Planetside
i never got the hang of that game tbh
how does a game of planetside actually end
stoic breach
Footsteps are definitely good but entire teams of soundwhores is just fuckin irritating
wet fossil
It doesn't.
raw orbit
its 2020 and we still dont have any word on titanfall 3 
raw orbit
anti-word
wet fossil
Fucking Apex.
raw orbit
prime pine
You kinda just hear them as a heads up on the people
stoic breach
Titanfall 2 going f2p with a new balance pass would be good enough
Buffing some guns and nerfing others
prime pine
4000 kills and i hit the 10K mark for the model 37
raw orbit
i dont really mind its kinda like bf1
everyone gonna complain about muh hellriegel
but its not like other weapons arent way more fun and still completely viable
💀
stoic breach
Except the fact that the CAR is actually a good minmax weapon, vs the Hellriegel which is just ok at everything
CAR isnt overpowered, other weapons just need to match it
raw orbit
haha yeah minmax epg mains sweating
stoic breach
lol
tough lodge
I want futuristic BF game but not as futuristic as Infinite Warfare
stoic breach
Grenade launchers are still meme weapons in TF2
tough lodge
Invading other planets and spaceships
stoic breach
But that game definitely still lets you have fun with worse weapons
raw orbit
grenadier weps 
still patio
do u guys think verticality would be a good thing in bf
raw orbit
cold war best gun
prime pine
They do futuristic well it can be a great idea
raw orbit
🙏 preach
prime pine
Like 2142
tough lodge
If DICE ever makes a futuristic game with the same level as Infinite Warfare it would be backlashed
stoic breach
Siege of Shanghai is a good example
amber pine
Mhm
still patio
@stoic breach But falling building = cool 🙈
eager shore
do u guys think verticality would be a good thing in bf
As long as there aren't too many sight lines, I guess I wouldn't mind.
amber pine
tough lodge
Infinite Warfare futurism was dumb. Invading other planets and shit
eager shore
Too many ways to get shot in the back does not equal fun gameplay.
stoic breach
falling building is only cool for like the first 5 times
pulsar ocean
im trying to get into battlefield, whats the best game to buy? ive heard horrific things about bf5
stoic breach
then it becomes shit
wet fossil
Infinite Warfare futurism was exactly what I wanted.
Enough of this pussyfooting about with drones and shit.
raw orbit
dw bf6 will be modern then everyone will decide modern sux and they want future instead 
wet fossil
I'm not here for the arguments of bitchass gravity-locked countries
eager shore
im trying to get into battlefield, whats the best game to buy? ive heard horrific things about bf5
Honestly that's mostly the circlejerk. If you're looking for a cheap game with free DLC and solid gameplay, Battlefield V is amazing.
still patio
@pulsar ocean Tbh go for any between bf4, bf1 and bf5, just look into each and get whcih one seems the coolest but i'd say the skill ceiling in bf4 is super high so it might be difficult to get into that
stoic breach
"circlejerk" is only half true
eager shore
i'd say the skill ceiling in bf4 is super high so it might be difficult to get into that
Agreed. Especially when you're ups against helis and tanks.
raw orbit
cheap as chips
pulsar ocean
i always forget to cancel free trials but luckily they cant charge an empty paypal
stoic breach
noble field
The battlefront 2 community is still getting content
and giving ideas and devs are listening
and we get ded game
still patio
fr?
raw orbit
cause u didnt buy enough skins
noble field
too many hands in the honey pot
still patio
is that game still worth playing lol
noble field
I bought steve fisher
still patio
how does it compare to bf
stoic breach
not like battlefront 2 is much better of a game
wet fossil
Well the problem with Battlefront is that it is not Battlefield.
raw orbit
its like battlefield 1 but 10x more elites 
noble field
I found the space battles are pretty fun and chaotic. Nothing like a good conquest assault push on geonosis
stoic breach
its also not well designed
wet fossil
It's like they went out of their way to ruin it.
eager shore
I thought Battlefront II got its final update already.
wet fossil
If it was anything like BF1 I'd like it.
hasty copper
guys how do u get the flamethrower on grind?
eager shore
Or soon, like Battlefield V.
stoic breach
Probably the only good parts about Battlefront 2 is the good visibility, no bugs, and no revives
noble field
coming soon
stoic breach
they ruined Supremacy by letting you spawn on flags
noble field
Battlefront 2 is fun. Watching vader lead a vanguard into a base
stoic breach
so shit
eager shore
is that game still worth playing lol
Personally no, heh. I'd rather play Casuafield 1 than Battlefront II.
noble field
the screams the great sound design
stoic breach
Battlefield 1 is definitely harder to play than Battlefront 2
wet fossil
No revives is stupid considering that there's fucking heroes sprinting about and one shotting you at every opportunity.
noble field
battlefront 2 is point and shoot not much skill but there are some really good players that absoultely dump on the servers
wet fossil
Battlefield 1 is well designed as a game.
wet fossil
There's actual skill involved, but it's also not hard
hasty copper
guys there has been this guy going on a streak with the m12 flamethrower in operation underground grind
raw orbit
battlefront is aids i just wanna stormtroop around but ive got all these dumbass darth vaders and fighters and shit 1 tapping me
hasty copper
I know how they find it in a conquest map but grind how?
stoic breach
yeah Battlefront 2 needs to dump heroes and lower the TTK and it'll be balanced
wet fossil
Grind Underground is the same as Conquest
noble field
also troopers are a lot more powerful than the starting classes
wet fossil
Same three flags.
stoic breach
also rebalancing the guns to make it not feel awful
hasty copper
ppl are still using the flamethrower while the corridor in between is blocked
eager shore
Battlefield 1 is well designed as a game.
Personally disagree. Illya Muromets, mortar trucks, grenade spam, flawed map voting, broken Conquest system, Elite Classes, RNG ADS spread, etc.
hasty copper
so how did they get it
noble field
ilya muromets feels weak. 2 guys with LMG kill you in 15 seconds
raw orbit
youd be hard pressed to find a shootan that doesnt have spread tbh 💀
eager shore
Not on the level that Battlefield 1 has. Especially with suppression.
wet fossil
Most of BF1 is well designed.
stoic breach
if you were suppressed and didnt move and just kept being suppressed thats on you
raw orbit
only thing i dislike in bf1 is the elites behemoths and bombers cause that shit aids
wet fossil
Suppression keeps the damn snipers down.
Elites are fine.
Just stick a bayonet in them if they're that much of a problem
raw orbit
good advice tano i will just do that next time
stoic breach
people complain about elites and then talk about battle pickups in BF4
equally stupid system
eager shore
Most of BF1 is well designed.
I agree with that. But in the end it can be subjective so if you enjoy Battlefield 1's systems, that's great. 👍
raw orbit
battle pickups are pretty aids too but they dont give you 10x health because you sat on a horse lol
stoic breach
BFV's battle pickups are even stupider
I was actually about to say BFV did a good job not having them, but then I remembered
infinite medic self heal while also having a katana is le epic
faster movement speed and med packs
wet fossil
Elites were flawed to make up for their power
Sentries couldn't use gas masks
Flamethrowers had very limited range
Tank hunters had no mid-range options
eager shore
The flamethrower user got burned in their own flames too.
stoic breach
Yeah despite all that, the game is definitely better off without random pickup weapons
wet fossil
And they all are equally vulnerable to taking a bayonet to the face.
eager shore
I would have preferred if the battlefield pickups were squad reinforcements instead. That way you can plan when you want to use them.
stoic breach
I think BF games in general put too much emphasis on the squad, and squad leaders
wet fossil
Ugh I actually don't like squad reinforcements
stoic breach
That just rewards overly competent clan squads and punishes randoms
wet fossil
Largely because I don't like having to vacate an area every five minutes because some berk dropped a V1 on it
stoic breach
because only the squad leader really gets access to the gear
raw orbit
would be nice if your points didnt get wasted cause the randoms in your squad didnt feel like taking the tank 💀
stoic breach
lol yeah
wet fossil
Maybe if there was a way to get the tank without needing to die
stoic breach
squad points should just work like Battlefront 2 battle points
everyone gets their own picks
bright stratus
The problem with squad play is a lot of players are not playing as a group of friends. Playing solo, but playing the mission, etc your still at a disadvantage
stoic breach
Its actually a decent system that Battlefront 2 uses
Because it works on an individual basis
wet fossil
Battlefront 2 isn't a good game
stoic breach
the battle point system is literally one of the only good things about it
wet fossil
The point system is a constant thorn in my side
stoic breach
because it balances snowballing players properly
wet fossil
They snowball to a hero and then camp it for the rest of the match?
quiet sedge
I preferred the old bf4 squad point system where you could pick a certain line of perks and as the squad got more points you got more perks, like more ammo, running faster etc
stoic breach
and vehicle spawns are for people who can actually afford them
the heroes are what make the system seem like a bad idea
noble field
make it like battlefront where the only thing the game counts is Eliminations
wet fossil
That's even worse
wet fossil
A noob can throw ammo packs all day
But they sure as hell can't kill like a pro.
And the pros are the problem
You can't balance a game effectively around them.
noble field
pro battlefield players ?
stoic breach
skill compression
wet fossil
The fuckers doing 70-0 every match
noble field
Is there a pro scene?
stoic breach
making gunplay and other mechanics easy so that everyone can use them
noble field
I think you mean CS GO / COD
stoic breach
making things like gunplay difficult only punishes players who are worse off
wet fossil
I didn't mean competitive
stoic breach
good players will always be good players
eager shore
That's my issue with killstreaks and battle points. It rewards the good players by giving them stuff to do even better.
bright stratus
Problem with Battlefront 2 is that if I want to play assault, and dont want to play as a hero, I'm at a massive disadvantage.
wet fossil
I meant the shitbuckets
stoic breach
BFV was designed for clans and coordinated players in mind, which is why it punishes solos so much
noble field
Lol that's why it's always 500 - 0 every conquest game
stoic breach
Nah killstreaks/battlepoints are good overall, good players should be rewarded for playing well
quiet sedge
You cant get mad at the people who are good at the game just because they are good
wet fossil
The problem is that it places so much emphasis on relying on the squad
bright stratus
NOt so much fun then if your a solo. Even if your mission focused and not a lone wolf
stoic breach
Bad players should be helped by the game to stay at the same level as good players
wet fossil
And with the vast majority of players, you can't rely on them
You can lead a horse to water, but you sure as shit can't make it drink
noble field
bad players should join clans and then this game would finally get balancing
stoic breach
nah fuck that
noble field
most people just need some direction to their play
and they will be top 7 scoreboard
stoic breach
why would randoms wanna join clans that are stomping them
i sure as fuck wouldnt want to do that
theres no rivalry there
prime pine
Funny enough
stoic breach
rivalry is fun
noble field
strength in numbers.
wet fossil
Do the Americans have as much a problem with clans as we do
prime pine
fL was on the lookout for me months prior of joining
eager shore
most people just need some direction to their play
I agree. As someone who plays solo most of the time, if the randoms follow my orders then even randoms can top the scoreboard.
noble field
to be part of something bigger than just solo running game after game
stoic breach
thats just strange
wet fossil
Or does their sheer amount of servers spread them out
noble field
If clans see another team playing sometimes they will load in on their buddies
and we have a CLOSE game
noble field
games are most balanced when you have groups stacking both sides.
stoic breach
and not everyone should have to
prime pine
My mates likes to switch teams to keep the lobby alive
noble field
I saw a 30 stack clan get beaten bad by randoms on xbox
i think there is a youtube vid
prime pine
It makes the game a lot more fun
prime pine
Was it swat?
wet fossil
If you get two equal clans on either side, you just get everyone else caught in the middle
stoic breach
yeah
randoms first/clans second
randoms have to be able to play freely without being forced to coordinate so much
things like minimap spot, 3d spot, and health regen help with that
noble field
the only teams i see or have been invited to on NA PS4 is (GRIP)(GSP)(DT)(NSIC)(1SSF). occasionally some *300 guys are rolling here or there but their team is going through a phase
wet fossil
It's a team game, not a squad game
stoic breach
even then, its a AAA casual game
stoic breach
It might as well be
noble field
Sad there are only a few groups left that play this game to any degree
stoic breach
Its being sold to the same audience
noble field
smaller teams play squad conquest / deathmatch for that faster paced gameplay
stoic breach
Theres no point arguing that Battlefield is anything more than a shooter, and you're meant to use your gun
lol
thats great
noble field
what happened to all the clans in BFV i guess they moved to warzone
noble field
BR is not gonna die soon
eager shore
As long as Fortnite and BR is popular, yeah it's not going anywhere anytime soon.
wet fossil
Really I despise BRs for their random factors. You land, stumble across good equipment, and dominate just like that.
Fuck that.
stoic breach
I had a theory that people are just gonna keep playing BR for as long as they live because the subgenre is so starved of innovation
wet fossil
Bugger the pro scene that's how we got in this mess to begin with
stoic breach
any small difference is enough to get people playing it
wet fossil
The pros are the reason why BFV's gunplay is so predictable, why they wasted so much time on the 5v5 mode
stoic breach
meanwhile people are just ignoring the real battle royale experiences
minecraft spleef and halo warthog sumo
😩
gray glade
the real reason was that they didn't have enough ppl on it probably, so they moved those to other things
gray glade
yeah
stoic breach
5v5 was going to be different from regular gameplay, which wouldve been really dumb
gray glade
i reckon that by the time 5v5 was cancelled though, they already decided to can bfv
stoic breach
it should've just been 5v5 frontlines on small maps
eager shore
5 v 5 game modes aren't Battlefield's market anyway.
stoic breach
standard gameplay
wet fossil
A small scale mode in a game based entirely around large scale is insane.
Anyone looking for that sort of thing is already in R6 or Overwatch.
eager shore
I personally have enjoyed smaller game modes like Squad Deathmatch in Bad Company 2. But even then I know that's not what the majority of players play Battlefield for.
wet fossil
Now, if they made Firestorm F2P we might've been able to drag in a few more paying players
prime pine
The majority of lnf have fucked off to cod
stoic breach
yeah
stoic breach
I moved to MW because infinity ward understands that people who play shooters just want to shoot at people
BF games already had legitimate tactical aspects to them, but then DICE goes and makes it some stupid "tactical" shooter
by adding arbitrary crap
wet fossil
But I don't want to just shoot at people
prime pine
Battlefield will always have large scale combat with vehicles. That's what it is.
stoic breach
The killstreaks have always had ways to counter them
raw orbit
Me press kill button now you die
prime pine
Going from battlefield to cod has been weird
stoic breach
Thats every shooter game
prime pine
Your mentality changes
stoic breach
The only differences between shooters is the metagame
prime pine
I just go from anti camper to understably sit in the second floor of nuke town and kill people, When B is capped just sit on that and protect it.
Easy score for scorestreaks!
stoic breach
well yeah
killstreaks arent potentially an issue because they reward good players more, they can be an issue because they can reward camping more
which is a problem with the game as a whole, and not just killstreaks
wet fossil
People are always going on about 'muh boots on the ground'
And I play Titanfall with the express purpose of keeping my boots off the ground as much as possible.
stoic breach
yeah
prime pine
Personally it doesn't bother me as long as you don't give people rockets
wet fossil
If my boots are touching something, it's going to either be a wall or somebody's face
eager shore
I can do crazy jeep stuff with friends, take care of teammates as a Medic or Support, play as a coordinated tank crew, etc in Battlefield. Can't do that in Call of Duty.
pulsar ocean
speaking of titanfall is tf2 still active? i saw a bf1 and tf2 bundle for dirt cheap
prime pine
Try controlling an mmg on a truck unit
stoic breach
"taking care of teammates" isnt really a good example
prime pine
On a jeep
raw orbit
Battlefield players when somebody slides 
prime pine
Its hell
stoic breach
designing your game for zerging isnt really good
noble field
TF2 has some servers
wet fossil
Titanfall 2 at least has functional matchmaking
Though don't expect to find anything but Attrition.
stoic breach
titanfall 2 has become a bit more active since the quarantine started
and especially on ps4 cause it was a psplus game
which is great
prime pine
Made someone fly with mines
stoic breach
thats great
prime pine
The universal carrier didn't blow up
prime pine
Guddo day Ayla!
eager shore
"taking care of teammates" isnt really a good example
designing your game for zerging isnt really good
You're missing the point. I'm saying I can do stuff in Battlefield that I can't do in Call of Duty. That's my response to "The only differences between shooters is the metagame".
solid hinge
Gmorning!
prime pine
Is it morning for you?
stoic breach
Alot of differences that BF has to other games are due to design flaws
Its not a good example when parts of your "unique gameplay" are due to design choices that make no logical sense
People complain about CoD being "too casual" while alot of Battlefield's gameplay is a result of legitimately bad game design
But its game design that results in players reacting to things differently from other shooters, which is a part of my metagame argument
stoic breach
rip
noble field
what games do you guys play to chill out
stoic breach
Furi
eager shore
That question is more appropriate for #general. But I usually just play Battlefield V.
shy badger
@noble field Gta V, some old school rts game I like, bfv too tbh
RDR2/Witcher 3, doom 2016/Eternal
noble field
meinkraft
noble field
universal carrier should have Anti air gun inside of it as option
eager shore
Battefield games are simply games that I can enjoy when I'm in just about any mood. It's casual enough that I can just play to relax, but is "hardcore" enough and has enough variety in ways to approach stuff that I can have fun being a tryhard too.
wet fossil
What the hell are they making those Russian heavies' helmets out of
I'm hitting them with a Barrett and they just bounce off
shy badger
ew jer
gray saffron
@noble field atm: rdr2, far cry 5, the hunter, session/skater xl and il-2 ;D (oh forgot sw:bf2)
ew me? D:
blackout pls
noble field
Sounds fun. What does the 42MD stand for there are a lot of you people here
noble field
hi
astral ermine
Medical marijuana clearly
gray saffron
@noble field 42md is a meme platoon or anti-milsim platoon. we do the exact opposite of actual milsim groups like 7md or 3md 😄 so it's just for fun. feel free to add the tag if you wanna join ;D
noble field
I would if i wasn't in a platoon
solid hinge
What’s a platoon?
fossil heron
A clan in Battlefield
wide zealot
is the b-2 stuka's cannons still good?
astral ermine
I've been meaning to attempt to get that
idle breach
Cannons are okay as before, but with buffed stat AA b-2 itself is pretty useless
astral ermine
It looks hard af to get it tho so it should be worth it
I've seen people use it a lot lately
wide zealot
a tip for trying to get the cannons is not buy the mines until u unlocked the cannons
astral ermine
I thought that was the path you had to take
feral grotto
Eu server.. 36/64 150+ ping
wide zealot
@astral ermine it is
feral grotto
... stay in your fucking region..
astral ermine
O I get it
astral ermine
I like the idea behind the mines but it isn't like it's a 1 hit kill on tanks
solid hinge
@feral grotto Some people can’t stand in their own region because DICE turned their servers off.
Or some regions are dead
astral ermine
I was thinking about the other path and mazing it out from there but you lose 50 lbs or kg of ordinance
wet fossil
Okay so how exactly did the Chinese take the northern part of Suez
There's, you know, an entire continent between them and it.
astral ermine
They bought it
wet fossil
And this whole mess only popped off like a week ago.