#battlefield-legacy-titles

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languid lark
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Actually the game is ok but the devs fucked up

bronze saddle
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but ow, oh man...

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those guys remember me of the 2006 xbox lobbies

latent nacelle
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mw2 lobbies were so toxic lol

languid sinew
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ye I am sure you were that one guy

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🙂

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even though I never played on xbox but you were that one guy

bronze saddle
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lmfao

wet fossil
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Okay so BF4 CTF fucking sucks

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As I speak, both of our teams exist in a stalemate

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Nobody can capture with their own flag missing.

bronze saddle
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oh, don't even get me started on the damn wallbanging spawcampers

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that day was the day hell got cold

opaque crystal
wet fossil
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Like we've got suicide drones being sent back and forth across the map, sniping at each other's carriers.

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Like fucking cruise missiles.

languid lark
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Are there any discord servers dedicated to our lord and saviour Pingu

wet fossil
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Oh NOW the stalemate breaks because my team fucked it up

opaque crystal
bronze saddle
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don't rage my dude, i've been there, is not a nice place

wet fossil
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Oi, last I checked 2/2 is a stalemate not a loss

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This was a huge waste of my time.

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And now half my team has fucked off.

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Oh what the fuck do you mean we're doing CTF again

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Half an hour of this shit and they just replay the same shitty map.

languid lark
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Which one is it

opaque crystal
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Operation Underground but it's 999-999

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oof

stoic breach
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1 flag CTF is highly superior to 2 flag

wet fossil
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It'd be fine if you were allowed to capture while your flag was away

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I knew that guy was jihad jeeping

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Must've shot his ass down one too many times with the AA

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Spotted a jeep, saw the little explosive signature, and then he turned around

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Cue the chase with me desperately filling him with 30mm

stoic breach
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lol

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yeah one flag CTF or just moving flag would be better to play

wet fossil
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Locker, where one man enters a room, goes behind a crate, and suddenly five men leave from behind it

tough lodge
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Locker glitch

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Perma cap

wet fossil
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You know what kicks a surprising amount of ass here

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Sniper rifle, straight pull, thermal sight.

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Low magnification works fine and all the smoke is of no issue.

idle breach
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outpost is practically better CTF

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capture the flag? nah, shoot the flag

prime pine
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And build a new one

gilded spear
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and off to another flag

wet fossil
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Great some moron's already gone and knocked down the Shanghai tower

opaque crystal
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Beat them with baguette

wet fossil
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FUCK COUNTERKNIFES

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FUCKING STUPID CONCEPT

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BF1 MELEE LITERALLY BEATS THE SHIT OUT OF IT

opaque crystal
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With shovel-

shy badger
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Someone got counterknifed

solid hinge
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how do I get grease gun

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Explaain please?

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And I'm looking in armoury btw

wet fossil
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Go to Company and buy it from the weapon select you dip

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God how many times do we have to do this

gray glade
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i love that dice gave me 100 boins

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like what the hell am i supposed to do with that

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also why the hell did they ban the words "sniper" and "cuz"

prime pine
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Buy a small pack of 500 or 1000 for that megaladon set khorney

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Cause it has an mg42 skin

gray glade
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whats megalodon set

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just mg42 skin?

prime pine
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Tempo dug up the megaladon skin

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Basically a skin for the stg 44, mp40, mg42 and g95

gray glade
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oh

prime pine
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Its a really busy skin

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Dunno when it'll be coming out

gray glade
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maybe never

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🙂

prime pine
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Most likely lmao

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How are you mate?

gray glade
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pretty good, yourself?

wet fossil
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I swear to fucking god Shanghai is like a curse on me

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And the problem aren't even the helicopters

prime pine
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I'm good! Just relaxing

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No megaladon set for fg42

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Or anything

raw orbit
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Can't wait to play shanghai/locker/golmud

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🗿

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Battlefield players have actual terrible taste in maps

gray glade
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i truly hope they improve the movement for next bf

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im tired of jumping 2-3 over every fence, stone, hill, wtc

queen canopy
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That was a problem I had a lot in BF1

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I actually like BFV’s movement a lot though

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Feels smooth for the most part

gray glade
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its an improvement over bf1 yeah, but still i get so annoyed

wheat badge
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Who can deal more damage , valentine archer or gun carrier?

gray glade
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like, often u have to jump over a fence diagonally or it wont work

stoic breach
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Weird

solid hinge
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I hate hackers with every strength of my being

stoic breach
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Yeah BFV's movement being smooth is pretty decent

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one of the only things I like about the game

opaque crystal
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Shangai's always a curse

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Imagine being crushed by rubble

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Happens all the time to me

stoic breach
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yay

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sounds real fun

opaque crystal
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knock knock-
who dere-
grambity

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cronch

solid hinge
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we will never play in Stalingrad
we will never play in Market Garden
we will never play in Berlin
we will never play in Okinawa
we will never play in Iwo Jima

Why did we buy this game again?

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It plays nice sure

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But there's so much it could have done, and it does a bad job at being a WW2 game

stoic breach
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Iwo Jima is in the game

solid hinge
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I would play BF V if it didn't have such a big hacker problem

stoic breach
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But its one of the worst maps in the game 😂

prime pine
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Its a very good breakthrough map

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Not a good conquest map

opaque crystal
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Iwer Jeemer

solid hinge
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@prime pine is bf 5 worth it?

prime pine
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Uwu owo uwu jima

solid hinge
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@solid hinge no

prime pine
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It depends. Do you think you'll spend time playing it?

opaque crystal
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Where if the Americans take the objectives closest to Japanese spawn it's like being bullied off the playground in elementary school

solid hinge
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I spend 3 hours a day on BF 1

stoic breach
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it fucking sucks on breakthrough man

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smoke grenades isnt map design

solid hinge
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why isn't BF 5 good tho?

stoic breach
prime pine
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Its got a lot of issues

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However

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Its very core is very fun

solid hinge
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i'll sign up if it didn't have a hacker problem!

opaque crystal
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3 hours a day
Those are r o o k i e numbers-

solid hinge
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Hey guys.

opaque crystal
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then again I don't got a life so-

solid hinge
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So V is pretty much dead now right guys ?

opaque crystal
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Depends

prime pine
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No

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People are still playing it

solid hinge
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is 5 more popular than 1? (Talking about pc)

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PC I mean,yes.

opaque crystal
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Shovel kills, and literally making improvised artillery with vehicles

stoic breach
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BFV is definitely still more popular than 1 here

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🗿

solid hinge
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Issues:
The most important part of WW2 being missing from the game
Game is losing support
Grindey for cosmetics, most suck anyways
Limited Pacific maps, gets old quickly
Battlefield 1 is better in almost every way

prime pine
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Community still shitty with petty clan wars

solid hinge
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way can I join your clan

opaque crystal
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"You can't just send vehicles into the air and expect a kill-"
Your Universal Gun Carrier is ready-

prime pine
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Gun play is one of the best

solid hinge
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@solid hinge honestly if you want to play a good Battlefield stick with 1 or 4

prime pine
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We aren't recruiting

solid hinge
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@solid hinge I have 1, but literally nobody plays it anymore

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Conquest is the only gamemode that even has players

languid lark
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They didn’t even include the french in the 1940 maps

solid hinge
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Depends on time of day but yeah, I still have more fun with it than 5 though

languid lark
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Don’t say that it’s because they just surrendered and didn’t do anything

solid hinge
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They didn't even include the eastern front, the most important fucking part of the war

opaque crystal
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p u p p e t s t a t e

raw orbit
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Yes we are all aware

languid lark
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There are many people playing bf1

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Guess it depends on the region

solid hinge
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It's like having a WW3 game but you only play as Russia, Iran, and Turkey

wet fossil
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Okay so best I can tell for the F2000 I have to get ten kills inside Metro and get two kill assist ribbons.

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At no point does it say that I have to do this in one round, but that's what I gather.

opaque crystal
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gobble gobble

wet fossil
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Real descriptive, DICE.

solid hinge
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and assists ribbons are for every 5 assists it hink

raw orbit
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Assignment issues go back I guess

wet fossil
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WHY THE FUCK DIDN'T MY LANDING GEAR RETRACT

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I LITERALLY FLOATED ACROSS THE MAP

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FUCK BF4 IS RIDDLED WITH BUGS

opaque crystal
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Isn't modern technology just great?

solid hinge
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The landing gear was made in China

opaque crystal
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Bet

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Anyone ever fly through the entirety of the bridge on Twisted Steel?

languid lark
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No

opaque crystal
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Awh-

languid lark
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I saw I guy fly through a barn move tho

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Once*

opaque crystal
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C'mon maaaan i's easy

languid lark
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Bruh i probably tried like once

opaque crystal
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Oof

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I'm now completely renaming one of my BF-109s.

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Behold, Germany's finest.

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The TK-069

old whale
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i've been off for a very long time wwtf happened to the gun play?

prime pine
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Its mostly back to normal

opaque crystal
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Oh don't worry about that

solid hinge
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30% downloaded, bf v

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is plane combat in this game good?

opaque crystal
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Worry about Steve Fisher

solid hinge
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I play War Thunder religiously

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New german elite incoming

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just wondering if it is about the same

prime pine
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Well

solid hinge
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Siegfried Albrecht (Berlin, Germany)

"A Veteran Luftwaffe commander with a near flawless mission record. Renowned for his ability to forecast enemy movements and tactics."

opaque crystal
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WELP

prime pine
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I'm basing my experience off purely off battlefield. Dogfighting is basic and fun

opaque crystal
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Wallet. I hope you're ready

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lmao

wet fossil
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Okay I saw a friendly A10 having trouble with its landing gear

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So it's definitely bugged.

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Fucking great state you left this game in.

solid hinge
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Too bad they don’t care

opaque crystal
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Instructions unclear

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Where's the button to brrrt

solid hinge
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44 mins until bf v is downloaded

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i figger i'll do some campgains to famailrize myself

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before multiplayer

queen canopy
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The campaigns are wack

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I’d really recommend just shut everything off and letting it download

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The best way to get used to multiplayer is to play multiplayer

opaque crystal
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My internet is shit-

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I'm probably going to have to leave my Xbox off if I'm downloading BFV.

solid hinge
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The last tiger is good

novel blaze
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scar h or arx160 in 4?

wet fossil
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Well far as I can tell active radar missiles are beyond useless.

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They're supposed to lock on by themselves, and they sure as hell don't do that.

prime pine
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Scar h

solid hinge
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bf v is 95% done

shy badger
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Micro bursting with the scar h is dirty in bf4

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Gotta hit your shots with only 21 rounds though

astral ermine
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It's over before we even get a naval warfare mode? How lame

chilly niche
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Hello

winter raven
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I found Nordlys a lot more enjoyable than The Last Tiger

novel blaze
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mr bruh

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mosquito is so satisfying to use

crystal blaze
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which

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one has a cannon i think

hot hinge
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i'd love to remake the dunkirk dogfight scene in bfv. could be so cool to make.

brave garnet
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@solid hingethe 1st half is racist, that's why

outer pebble
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Battlefield 4 is so good i never get bored playing it idk why

brave garnet
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BF4 is boring af wdym

solid hinge
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@brave garnet there’s something called opinions.

mortal jackal
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i have question

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why the word "but" "do" and "mean" are censoered

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from bfv chat box

cold trail
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Guess someone abused them.

mortal jackal
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how do u abuse but

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its fundamental for the English language to work

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or do

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who censors do

winter raven
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Has someone spoken to the CMs about this already?

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Because if it stays like that I'll go insane

mortal jackal
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ohohoho dont say insane thats a no no

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censor insane guys he abused it

wheat badge
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Who can deal more damage gun carrier or valentine archer?

brave garnet
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I have no idea

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Probably both

mortal jackal
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how both

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how both deal more damage

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what u trying to say here

winter raven
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Better together

brave garnet
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Gun carrier has AP and Archer has APDS

mortal jackal
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u know what

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ill go talk to the cms

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they ruining my mood

brave garnet
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AP is just a cast steel slug and APDS is a tungsten slug

wet fossil
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Also the Archer's 17 Pounder is just superior to the 3 Inch gun

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The Gun Carrier's primary, and only, advantage is the fact that it can take a serious beating.

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But I feel like it's too fat to take advantage of its gun.

cold trail
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@mortal jackal "butt" and "doodoo" could be made out of those.

wheat badge
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Gotta upgrade a tank
Gun carrier or valentine is more dmagae

languid lark
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from bfv chat box
@mortal jackal because it’s offensive language

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😂

steel agate
solid hinge
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Too bad I unistalled bfv

desert dune
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200 BFC lmfno

stoic breach
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well you know how the digital market is

dense bone
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can you buy anything with 200 bfc?

stoic breach
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I dont think you can

steel agate
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Nah you can't

stoic breach
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wait

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you can buy a common skin with that

desert dune
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I’ll take battlepacks

steel agate
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But if you accrued 100 BFC from weeks prior and this latest Weekly Missions, then you could have 1K+ BFC.

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All free BFC.

desert dune
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That would be great if I actually played BFV

solid hinge
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And people were complaining about the Battlepacks in BF4 when they first came out

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At least you could've gotten every skin for just about free by grinding lmao

desert dune
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Shoutout to the people who took the time to animate opening battlepacks in BF1

solid hinge
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Each BF gets worse with the MTX, supply drops coming out soon LULW

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Dice is getting desperate

lofty valley
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Might play some bf1

dense bone
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@solid hinge didnt you have to pay for maps and weapons before, now its meaningless cosmetics in a fps?

desert dune
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I played 7 hours worth of it yesterday

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Worth it

dense bone
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id 100% take free maps and weapons over free skins...

solid hinge
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The maps and weapons in BFV arent that great to begin with

dense bone
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still a better free option than skins in a FPS

solid hinge
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Not grateful one bit about the unknown battles

dense bone
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i think thats basically a fact

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id take a bad quality map over all the free cosmetics in the world, especially for a FIRST PERSON SHOOTER

lofty valley
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Wasn't a fan of the unlock requirements in bf1 but didn't have much of a problem buying premium

solid hinge
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I'd happily go back to premium if that means that Dice wont abandon ship on their game one year after development LULW

dense bone
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thats a different topic

desert dune
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They’re unknown battles all right, because we don’t get the history behind said battles unlike BF1 lol

solid hinge
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Imagine if BFV had Omaha Beach without the cartoon-like graphics

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And it was dark and gritty

dense bone
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wow so cool

lofty valley
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The Austro Hungarian empire something something

dense bone
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so standard

solid hinge
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Project Reality did a better job LULW

dense bone
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lets have dday, and pearl harbor

solid hinge
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Arras being the best map in a damn WW2 game Chag

dense bone
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lets have every ww2 media ever portrayed again

hoary condor
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blitzkreg would be cool

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not sure how one would start on something like that

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i mean watch ww2 in colour and take a pic

solid hinge
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Feels like I'm playing COD mobile since the direction of the game isnt at all consistent

dense bone
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i feel bad for anyone making a ww2 game, it basically has to have all the standard tropes, anything else and people bitch about it

hoary condor
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it has to be 103404% historically correct because some 12 year old bitches on reddit with his "phd" in history

dense bone
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^

solid hinge
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Dice was being complicated and uncoordinated

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BF1 was fine with all the automatic weapons, even had a sort of classic mode or something

hoary condor
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by phd i mean reading the first paragraph from wikipedia

solid hinge
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If Dice wants to go alt-reality at least plan the fucking game like sheet

dense bone
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"i know about dday and pearl harbor, those are what MAKE ww2, if the game doesnt have those in there its really an insult to the people who died"

solid hinge
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That's quite a big package for a WW2 game though

dense bone
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even though its more of an insult to disregard other battles and the lives lost because they arent as major as the obvious battles

hoary condor
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ww1 would be good to play, Verdun on a better games engine and bf gameplay.. would be awesome to see

solid hinge
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Not sure why youd leave that out

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Who tf cares about any other map in this game other than Iwo Jima

hoary condor
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ww2 you can't make into a game, you have to pick a region/battle and go with it

dense bone
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That's quite a big package for a WW2 game though
@solid hinge because they have been done to death...

solid hinge
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But not on the Frostbite engine?

dense bone
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people literally just want 1942 remastered

solid hinge
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Cant remember any WW2 this gen that would come close to BF's levels

dense bone
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ww2 games in general have fallen off probably because of being done to death

hoary condor
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^

solid hinge
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Yeah like a decade ago

hoary condor
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ww1 is still open

dense bone
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and?

solid hinge
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Graphics dont advance in a decade?

dense bone
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a decade isnt that long and making media isnt fast

solid hinge
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How old are you if a decade isnt that long?

hoary condor
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bf1 with passchendaele did show they can hold dark trench warfare...

dense bone
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if you think 10 years is long idk what to tell you

desert dune
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Or you know, the BF1 prologue

solid hinge
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Graphics advanced so much this past generation alone and it hasnt even hit a decade yet

dense bone
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yes they have advanced, im not arguing that

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you change goal posts a lot

hoary condor
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gaming isn't all about graphics

dense bone
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^

solid hinge
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I'm pretty sure WW2 isnt overdone anymore

steel agate
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FYI, maybe some of you already noticed but there were 6 new CC tank skins total added for the Japanese faction with the latest update (3 each for Chi-Ha and Ka-Mi).
No other factions have new skins. No new body customizations.

dense bone
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and you are basically showcasing the perfect example of someone who just wants a ww2 game remaster in dice engine

solid hinge
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But it's quite the contributing factor is it not?

dense bone
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which is fine, you can want that, but dice clearly said thats not the case

desert dune
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No new body customizations lmao

dense bone
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and almost 2 years later youre still complaining about it

hoary condor
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graphics need to be great, meanwhile in fortnite holding 30m players a day haHAA

solid hinge
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BF's gameplay would already be spot on for a WW2 game and their frostbite engine is really advanced

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Fortnite's graphics arent bad and that's a F2P game?

dense bone
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i think you are confusing graphics with art style

hoary condor
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they are crisp graphics tbf

solid hinge
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The art style in that game would be timeless

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morning

brave garnet
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Howdy

solid hinge
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Not sure how Fortnite's graphics would be considered bad

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just in time for the daily complaining

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What's so bad about it?

dense bone
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no one said they were bad did they?

solid hinge
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graphics need to be great, meanwhile in fortnite holding 30m players a day haHAA
@hoary condor

hoary condor
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i mean, people expect graphics to be similar to that of rl

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for a game too be good

solid hinge
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He didnt directly say it but its heavily implied in context

dense bone
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fortnite graphics ARE NOT GREAT and they hold 30m players a day

slender drift
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Nintendo games: "Am I a joke to you?"

solid hinge
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If they arent great then what are they?

dense bone
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he was refuting your position

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the actual graphics? they are "good" at best

solid hinge
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No operation definition was given there

dense bone
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not even close to bad, theres nothing wrong with them

solid hinge
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@slender drift nintendo: is the 5th console i dropped this year a joke to u

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Good and Great cant be that far off

slender drift
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@solid hinge wot?

dense bone
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well i said at best its good

solid hinge
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my joke was bad

hoary condor
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let's keep it battlefield related please

solid hinge
dense bone
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graphically speaking its fairly standard, probably 5/10

solid hinge
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Then I dont know why he would even make the comparison

hoary condor
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i'm a member of the pretend staff here at battlefield haHAA

slender drift
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Hey guys! Let's talk about Battlefield some more!

solid hinge
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they are

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Its gonna age better than most games when next-gen hits

dense bone
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because you brought up ww2 with modern graphics being a major selling point

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you really are not following along are you?

solid hinge
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It really is a major selling point however

steel agate
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7 new CC plane skins were added for the Japanese faction. No new skins for other factions' planes.

solid hinge
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Dont want a WW2 to have shit graphics and poor visibility

honest frigate
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:)

solid hinge
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Graphics can shape up a game's atmosphere

slender drift
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Graphics aren't worth a booger if the actual gameplay is garbage.

solid hinge
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But BF's gameplay isnt garbage (usually)

dense bone
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o didnt realize i was talking to rayz, it all makes sense now

stoic breach
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The graphics in BFV definitely affect the gameplay

solid hinge
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damn

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All Dice needed to do was make a WW2 game that actually feels like a WW2 game

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Not sure what they were thinking with the alt-reality shit

dense bone
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all dice had to do was make the game they wanted to make, they are the creators

solid hinge
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They didnt even think about the risks they were making

dense bone
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i hate this "the consumer is right" bullshit on the creators

slender drift
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But no. DICE and EA wanted to push their "everyone's Battlefield" agendas in so they have an excuse to put cosmetic microtransactions into the game.

dense bone
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all you have the choice to do is buy the game or not

solid hinge
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I mean, they do play the games

dense bone
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you dont have a say in what they should do

solid hinge
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Well then I guess Dice can go die then

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why still complain about it nearly 2 years later

dense bone
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thats extreme but thats just who you are

solid hinge
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That's a factor as to why this game was a failure

dense bone
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dont buy their next game rayz and move on

slender drift
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The consumer isn't always right, but they are the ones who are actually buying your game.

prime pine
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Corsair!

dense bone
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@slender drift mtx cosmetics to offset the cost of free maps and weapons? thats basically ideal for consumers...

hoary condor
runic folio
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@hoary condor ok ty

prime pine
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Thank you squid.... Was wondering if i should say that

hoary condor
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tbf it's tiktok.. could just not post it tbf

solid hinge
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tiktok

dense bone
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@solid hinge game was a failure to who? still sold 8m copies, probably sold a bunch of origin access

prime pine
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Fuck you I now have a song stuck in my head

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Ohhhhh

pulsar valve
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no viral tiktok for you

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at least not in this channel

solid hinge
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Did EA or Dice not claim that the game did not meet their expectations?

dense bone
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not meeting expectations is not a failure...

solid hinge
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I'm pretty sure they wanted more copies sold than just "8m"

dense bone
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you really have weird definitions of things

hoary condor
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^

solid hinge
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The precious BF games legit outsold BFV

pulsar valve
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I think they missed Holiday 2018 expectations with a million copies

dense bone
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?

solid hinge
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8m is nothing for a BF game

dense bone
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...

solid hinge
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BF1 sold twice as many copies

dense bone
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you know outside of bf1 most bf games sell around 8m copies...

solid hinge
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cause bf1 is evidently a lot of peoples first BF game

prime pine
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Reeeeeeee gun play too easy

pulsar valve
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BF1 went up against Infinite Warfare

solid hinge
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But I mean this is a BF game that is a successor to BF1

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Not just some generic FPS shooter or game

dense bone
#

bf1 was an outlier to bf sales

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a FAR outlier

solid hinge
#

Pretty positive the other BFs sold more than V anyways

dense bone
#

they didnt

solid hinge
#

3 and 4 didnt?

dense bone
#

last i saw bfv was in the middle

solid hinge
#

Middle of how many games exactly?

dense bone
#

fuck if i know off the top of my head, do some research

solid hinge
#

Probably exceeded the old games but I mean, they're old games

fathom pebble
#

I mean BFV has sold more then most BF games, since originally through the yeasr there's been more people playing it and a fanbase that keeps growing, compared to prior bad company 2

dense bone
#

3 months after launch

hoary condor
#

talking about the sales of games like you are an investor haHAA

fathom pebble
#

compare the number of people that used to play cod now to 10 years ago

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or any other game franchise that has lasted long enough

dense bone
#

lets make this simple, selling 7/8 copies you expected wouldnt be a failure by anyones reasonable imagination

solid hinge
#

COD Modern Warfare wasnt the best sold COD game on May 6th 2020? @fathom pebble

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Unless you are implying something different

pulsar valve
#

Has BF ever outsold COD?

#

Just different in playerbase sizes

slender drift
#

Not that I remember, no.

solid hinge
#

In 2016 perhaps

fathom pebble
#

think only time was BF1

#

else most likely cod out sales all the time

pulsar valve
#

I think even IW took over

hoary condor
#

cod has esports too tbf

fathom pebble
#

but thats a dumb comparison tbh

slender drift
#

In 2016 perhaps
Nope. Even Infinite Warfare outsold BF1.

solid hinge
#

IW was like around 11-15M or something

dense bone
#

so from what i can find bf3/4 sold around 8m copies in launch windows as well, so bfv is in line with those games too @solid hinge

solid hinge
#

I cant remember

#

I guess 8m isnt so bad then

fathom pebble
#

I mean outselling a game doesnt say the game has quality high

hoary condor
#

^

dense bone
solid hinge
#

Welcome to bf6 a game where you can jump be a commander on the battlelog app and be a real war soldier on a modern war battle ;-; play now for 69,99€

#

Yeah 8M cant be bad even though BF1 brought so many new players that were eager to play the next title

dense bone
#

bf3

solid hinge
#

But in terms of expectations it's all right

fathom pebble
#

besides noways when a games come out its not important who sells the most but how much money they can make out of the avg consumer with the game life service

#

you can buy cod at release for idk 60$

dense bone
#

i honestly think bf1 just hit lightning in a bottle and shouldnt have been an expectation of anything

solid hinge
#

BFV's numbers are pitiful tbh

fathom pebble
#

at teh end you spend maybe more 60$ in battlepasses so on

dense bone
#

i mean, ea didnt even expect more than 9m copies for bfv

fathom pebble
#

same with BFV

solid hinge
#

8m compared to the actual player sizes currently

dense bone
#

you just said the numbers are not bad

fathom pebble
#

selling it at 30$ they want people to also spend on MTX

dense bone
#

then say its pitiful...

#

wtf

fathom pebble
#

simple math nothing new

solid hinge
#

You could use a calculator and total the numbers that's how small it really is

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Bf6 is gonna be the best game i can feel it on my chest ;-;

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help

dense bone
#

oh youre talking player count

solid hinge
#

Copies sold is fine, actual player counts after a year are shit

dense bone
#

theres not many games that keep playing a title like bf over 1.5 years

solid hinge
#

Idk about that one

fathom pebble
#

BF4 cameout in 2013 still pretty active game actually

solid hinge
#

Steam Charts has quite the number of games

#

BFV last time I counted only hit 7225 or something like that

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On PC

fathom pebble
#

games after their live service dont have anymore content normal they die since people get bored of the same thing

solid hinge
#

BF4 at the same time had slightly more players and it came out in 2013

fathom pebble
#

also I would like to know where you got that player count from

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for BFV

solid hinge
#

Use a calculator and go through each gamemode individually

#

Might need some paper while you're at it

fathom pebble
#

what about region?

pulsar valve
#

There are no public player counts, period

#

I would not trust manual counting to do anything

solid hinge
#

All regions work since theres not enough servers to clog the ingame server list

fathom pebble
#

lol

solid hinge
#

No region per gamemode totals more than 100 servers

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That's how garbage it is

fathom pebble
#

not what I meant but sure

dense bone
#

steam charts for what game? bfv isnt on steam

fathom pebble
#

not yet

solid hinge
#

The filters dont mean shit in BFV either

fathom pebble
#

will be at some point

solid hinge
#

Steam Charts as in how many older games exceed BFV's numbers on one platform alone

dense bone
#

yes there are plently of older games that have more players

fathom pebble
#

if you want the peak player base of BFV

solid hinge
#

theres not many games that keep playing a title like bf over 1.5 years
@dense bone

dense bone
#

that doesnt mean all games have that standard

fathom pebble
#

normally since BF1 when there was a DLC release along with a major patch thats normally player peak

dense bone
#

looking at csgo and trying to use that as a standard is just stupid

fathom pebble
#

during week is usually bottom

#

but Iam still confused on whats the end point of this

solid hinge
#

It's not just CSGO however

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Or any mainstream game

hoary condor
solid hinge
#

Theres games on Steam Charts that still have more players and they barely get any attention

dense bone
#

but Iam still confused on whats the end point of this
@fathom pebble this dude just finds something to compare bfv to, just to make it look bad in comparison and will change topic at every turn

fathom pebble
#

its like someone trying to prove a point going in circles and will end in something that isnt even important or relevant

solid hinge
#

Then dont encourage a topic change

fathom pebble
#

sounds like Iam inside a recursion function in C suddently

solid hinge
#

@hoary condor lmaooo

dense bone
#

youre the one with all the topic changes....

fathom pebble
solid hinge
#

I have no problems changing a topic if someone tries to make a point about something else

dense bone
#

i was talking bfv sale numbers, you changed it to player count

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basically every topic was brought on by you...

solid hinge
#

Really? Every topic

dense bone
#

basically

solid hinge
#

BFV had the same sale numbers as BF4 I think

#

You are fueling the fire though

dense bone
#

youre reading comprehension is atrocious

prime pine
#

Just some fucking Randy with Rose tinted glasses for bf4 and tries to prove some Shit I dunno. Best to ignore him Nyphon.

fathom pebble
solid hinge
#

Dont act like you dont like the discussion if you're engaging into one

fathom pebble
#

thats not the problem

solid hinge
dense bone
#

i like proving people wrong and youre easy to do that with

prime pine
#

German longcoats are cool

fathom pebble
#

its the fact its going into circles going into no conclusion what so ever

solid hinge
#

Are you sure about that?

fathom pebble
dense bone
#

though you dont accept youre wrong, you just change topic in an attempt to shit on bfv again

solid hinge
#

What points have you proven?

dense bone
#

every point you changed the topic after i gave facts

solid hinge
#

The other guy said that the discussion was going in "circles" sooo

dense bone
#

metaphor

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but that reading comprehension again

solid hinge
#

That means the discussion is never going anywhere

fathom pebble
#

just use numbers

solid hinge
#

Not sure what point is being proven?

fathom pebble
#

BFV sold 7,3 mil copies times thats 45$ thats 328 mil dollars

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thats alot of money lol

dense bone
#

it means that you will continuously find something to complain about making any discussion with you would be going in circles

solid hinge
#

The game's been on sale for less than $45 unless that was beforehand

fathom pebble
#

I mean if its by holiday 2018

dense bone
#

literally you said bfv sold like shit and failed, i proved that wrong then you jumped onto "but the player count sucks"

fathom pebble
#

was nowhere under that price

solid hinge
#

Not $30 at all?

fathom pebble
#

judging those number at until december 2018

solid hinge
#

Wasnt playing back then but AngryJoe covered something about it back when

fathom pebble
#

game cameout in November 2018

solid hinge
#

i dont think the game was 30 dollars when it first game out

fathom pebble
#

was at 30$ in 2019 multiple times

#

not in december 2018 during holiday

solid hinge
#

I heard it went on sale for half off not that long after it got released unless my source was wrong

fathom pebble
#

not even a month after the game cameout

dense bone
#

bfv went on sale to 40 bucks a week after launch, i know because i had a 10 dollar discount that i bought all my friends the game for 30 bucks

#

I heard it went on sale for half off not that long after it got released unless my source was wrong
@solid hinge not half, but 40 bucks a week after launch

solid hinge
#

2/3rds ok I see

fathom pebble
#

I used 45$ as an avg because people bought standart edition at 60$ or the deluxe at 80$

#

sameway they bought on discount

solid hinge
#

@dense bone Maybe in Europe it did go 50% off

dense bone
#

first week sales make up 80% of sales anyway

solid hinge
#

i got fucking 600 boins

shy badger
#

ffs dice broke the chat censor

solid hinge
#

turn tf up

fathom pebble
#

in conclusion so much for nothing kaz

dense bone
#

very few games get the legs to make up more than that after first week

fathom pebble
#

or some rant that makes no logical sense

solid hinge
#

Ouchies

fathom pebble
#

its fine being wrong dw

solid hinge
#

No logical sense yet you're making a point about it?

dense bone
#

🤦

fathom pebble
#

think there's been one already made but if you wanna keep going sure

solid hinge
#

Theres gotta be some logic you can explain why I'm wrong

fathom pebble
#

you're just going in circles

dense bone
#

rayxz will keep going

solid hinge
#

Of course I am shet you're right

fathom pebble
#

and changing subject to feel like you're still in it

dense bone
#

^

solid hinge
#

Fuck man I'm sorry I'll improve just dont banter for too long

#

Maybe that'll help

dense bone
#

i can only hope for your own sake you will improve

solid hinge
#

I'll improve when I get older dont worry

#

Maybe once the quarantine is over

brave garnet
#

Howdy

slender drift
#

🛌

#

I sleep.

solid hinge
#

Brain doesnt develop until around 25 for males I'm still a stupid shit after all

brave garnet
#

I am a tank

dense bone
#

im 29, stupid for my age but at least over that 25 threshold

brave garnet
#

I have no brain

solid hinge
#

ur brain is the person riding u

brave garnet
#

Oh you mean the poor meatbags that act as spaced armor

solid hinge
#

it always makes me happy when people hop on vehicles

#

Swedish WT player😳

#

10 people on top of tanks

brave garnet
#

@solid hingejeg er ikke svensk

solid hinge
#

I dont know swedish sorry

brave garnet
#

Jeg er meksikansk

slender drift
#

We live in a society.

#

Speak English.

brave garnet
#

I am Mexican

prime pine
#

Owo

#

Uwu

#

Owo

solid hinge
brave garnet
#

Im learning Norwegian rn

shy badger
#

iwi

slender drift
#

I thought you were lesbian.

shy badger
#

LwL

brave garnet
#

Tanka

prime pine
#

Noot Noot!

shy badger
#

noot noot!

brave garnet
#

Noot noot

shy badger
#

Bods chat censor is fucked

#

It censored sniper

#

And lol!

prime pine
#

I heard

slender drift
#

@dense bone I know.

dense bone
#

i love it

solid hinge
#

Why is a mexican learning norweigan? You plan to move there or?

brave garnet
#

Mhm

gray saffron
#

@shy badger **** ****!

#

ehm, those were meant to be asterixes

solid hinge
#

npcs when they see snake be like

#

!

vestal stream
#

serious question: why is it so hard to enjoyu this game? why is there some stupid bug every now and then? just for the fuck of it, and its new, the game loses focus and i have to alt tab into it mid fights. Yes I tried both full screen and windowed full screen, yes i turned off all notification settings in origin (which was the issue before today) but now, even if you tuen off notifications it still happens, why does DICE find the most annoying shit and just sprinkle it on the game?

#

im one of the few people who enjoys this game and have always defended it

#

every chance i get

#

and now, i get what i deserve

prime pine
#

I enjoy it as well but there's a lot of bs

vestal stream
#

i shouldnt have defended it

#

its my fault

#

like so fucking annoying

#

game loses focus and i have to alt+tab back into it, like what sort of bug is this

#

I wish DICE was more innovative in their games than the bugs they give us

#

its probably an origin issue and not a dice issue but whatever

#

its my fault

#

i take back all the good things i said

#

fucking EA and DICE

#

i was blasting the enemy with bombs and took out the side flank on my own

#

and then game loses focus and i have to alt tab

solid hinge
#

Shush, I got free boins

vestal stream
#

like the best most amazing match i had in ages and its just

brave garnet
#

Boins lol

vestal stream
#

fuck off plasma

#

we EA and DICE like to do our thing

#

origin takes focus

dense bone
#

its a casual game, you shouldnt be this worked up about it

solid hinge
#

^

vestal stream
#

no but that means all games

#

on origin

#

i cannot enjoyu them

#

origin takes focus away

dense bone
#

than its origins fault and not dice

prime pine
#

Focus?

vestal stream
#

and so u have to alt and tab

dense bone
#

like you said

vestal stream
#

so now my origin library is useless

#

i cannot play a single game

dense bone
#

yes you can

vestal stream
#

how

brave garnet
#

Lol

dense bone
#

you just have to alt tab back in on occasion...

vestal stream
#

lol i shouldnt have to

dense bone
#

agreed

vestal stream
#

takes away immersion

#

takes away fun

dense bone
#

but that doesnt make your library useless

vestal stream
#

it does

brave garnet
#

Not really

dense bone
#

no it doesnt, but i can tell youre being dramatic

vestal stream
#

yes it does

brave garnet
#

If it works, it works

dense bone
#

^

vestal stream
#

u cant ask someone to just alt and tab back into a game they paid full price for

dense bone
#

yes you can

vestal stream
#

lol

solid hinge
#

Isnt there a way to disable the overlay or whatever it's called

vestal stream
#

it use to be fixable with disabling notification

#

but that doesnt work any more

#

i need to find a different fix

#

literally no idea now though

dense bone
#

use a different launcher if it bothers you so much

vestal stream
#

u can launch it without origin

dense bone
#

cant* ?

vestal stream
#

i mean the games on origin u cant launch them

#

yes

#

cant

dense bone
#

yea i know, just play different games

solid hinge
#

Uninstall BFV problem solved

vestal stream
#

lol

solid hinge
#

All the bugs will be free

#

Wow this new gun in bfv coming soon

vestal stream
#

u guys are cute

solid hinge
#

With the big scope

dense bone
#

im at least reasonable...

vestal stream
#

no ur just in a good mood

dense bone
#

no

vestal stream
#

later ull be unreasonable about something else

#

and if someone says just do something else

#

ull see what i mean

solid hinge
#

It's like the early version of flir

dense bone
#

im sure it will at some point

vestal stream
#

there u go

#

good on u to admit it

#

ur just in a good mood now

brave garnet
#

Can't wait to mow down people with a gun with an IR sight

vestal stream
#

u wont be sooner or later

dense bone
#

but i dont take casual bfv serious, i wont go to forum to complain about it and lie and say "its useless"

vestal stream
#

and ull stop being reasonable

dense bone
#

ill just say "fuck this" and support something else

vestal stream
#

ok

dense bone
#

im kind of emotionally mute in general

solid hinge
#

Can June come fast enough damn

vestal stream
#

whats happenign in june

solid hinge
#

Hard Drive is already dying from the constant MW updates

#

Final major update for BFV

#

Play a few matches of Libya then I'm outta here for good

dense bone
#

only time i play bfv is for clan stuff

#

been playing valorant a lot

#

even though i dont really like it

icy sluice
#

Gonna play the fuck outta those 8 games I installed over MW PogChamp

vestal stream
#

Final major update for BFV
@solid hinge yh i heard about that

#

wish they we got to see russian faction

#

in russian maps

icy sluice
#

Next update is a content update

prime pine
#

CHAUCHAT BABY

solid hinge
#

You know what's annoying of bfv? It's the fact that Evey single rifle in the game can have etge same scopes

#

This is probably because bfv was rushed

slender drift
#

wish they we got to see russian faction
Of all the sad words and tongue and pen, the saddest are these: "It might have been."

solid hinge
#

STG 3x scope 🤢

shy badger
#

Whats the problem with 3x on stg

dense bone
#

@solid hinge restricting would just annoy the players

solid hinge
#

Yeah

vestal stream
#

russian faction vs german faction in city maps or winter large maps would have been epic

solid hinge
#

The community is sensitive

vestal stream
#

with russian voice overs

solid hinge
#

It was way worse in 5.2 when the guns were lasers

#

I wanted to see a dday map

dense bone
#

The community is sensitive
@solid hinge agreed, but at least in this game its for the sake of gameplay/convenience

#

unlike other things the community is sensitive about needlessly

slender drift
#

It might have been cool.

solid hinge
#

@dense bone true

slender drift
#

But unfortunately, we're never gonna see a Russian update for BFV.

solid hinge
#

Well atleast bf6 won't be rushed

brave garnet
#

Ikr

solid hinge
#

So it may have some good potential

vestal stream
#

bf6 better be modern day tho

brave garnet
#

We won't have a remaster of every other WW2 game

solid hinge
#

BF6 should undo everything BF1 and V did LULW

slender drift
#

Well atleast bf6 won't be rushed
All we can really do is hope.

solid hinge
#

Maybe BFV gunplay that was pretty neat

#

Bf1 is ok

slender drift
#

BF1 was hyped all the way to kingdom come and back.

solid hinge
#

The only reason it didn't suck is because dice didn't rush on the game like they did in bfv

#

They had actual good content by release

#

BF1 has a clear direction on what it's trying to be

#

Guys, what are the odds of a BF 2143?

#

BFV feels very confused, very

#

Probably llw

#

Low*

slender drift
#

Honestly, BF6 can be anything.

solid hinge
#

Hopefully

slender drift
#

It can be historical, modern, or even futuristic. We don't know.

solid hinge
#

Just modern day, cold war or semi futuristic

#

Those are most likely

#

Why does everyone want cold war? What's the match going to be spies spying on each other without guns?

#

Imagine if BF and COD do Cold War at the same time

#

Messy comparisons coming up

#

Proxxy wars

languid lark
#

Bf1 is great

prime pine
#

It was fun

solid hinge
#

I want a sequel to bf4

slender drift
#

Why does everyone want cold war? What's the match going to be spies spying on each other without guns?
@solid hinge there's a little something called historical fiction and/or alternate history.

solid hinge
#

Chances for COD 2020 being Cold War are at an all time high

#

@slender drift people shown they dont want alternate history tho

slender drift
#

@solid hinge really? What people?

solid hinge
#

Hope BF goes Cold War so I can compare two drastically different games hehe

#

@solid hinge Hopefully with no campaign or a better one than 4

#

If dice did cold war the games oging to be like bfv

#

@slender drift accuracy people

#

The bf3 campaign was Soo good

#

Bf4 apparently you were Chuck norris

#

BF3 campaign was alright

#

Anything over 4

#

Or V

slender drift
#

@solid hinge well, you know what? Fuck those people. If they want historical accuracy, they can go play Verdun or Rising Storm 2 or something of the like.

solid hinge
#

Alternate history games are untouched mostly but its surprising since the possibilities are endless

#

Since bf3 lead up to bf4

solid hinge
#

I want something like bf4 leading up to bf6

vestal stream
#

thats a fix for taking focus away apparently

#

trying it now in case anyone else needs it

solid hinge
#

Bf4 hc is so fun

#

Having to get the P90 and M249 in BF4 oof

#

BF community will rage hard af if they do anything alternate

vestal stream
#

Bf4 hc is so fun
@solid hinge YESSS

solid hinge
#

Also the other gun nobody gave a shit about

vestal stream
#

24/7 shanghahi hardcore

#

was the shiznet

solid hinge
#

Hopefully hc comes back

#

HC is a necessity

#

Rather have that than what BFV did

slender drift
#

Depends on how popular HC is, and if DICE can squeeze it into the game at release or sometime in the future.

vestal stream
#

Rather have that than what BFV did
@solid hinge bfv tried to find the middle ground

#

i feel like bfv did well in this regard, but should still have gone full hardcore as optional

solid hinge
#

Locker hc was my fav

vestal stream
#

u guys remember the underground map

#

yes thats it

#

locker hc was insane

solid hinge
#

Operation metro?

vestal stream
#

intense

#

metro is bf3

solid hinge
#

Also bf4

#

I just hope my internet becomes stable by 2021

#

BFV should've kept its direction to a more Hardcore audience

vestal stream
#

oh yeah?

#

BFV should've kept its direction to a more Hardcore audience
@solid hinge they would have losrt a tonne of sales

solid hinge
#

Yeah it's in the second assault dlc

#

So it's operation firestorm, gulf of Oman and Caspian

#

I guess so but it was the sole reason as to why I played it over the other BFs

#

All remasterd

#

BF V players are shit compared to BF 1's

#

Oh they are for sure

vestal stream
#

BF V players are shit compared to BF 1's
@solid hinge bfv is better than bf1

solid hinge
#

It is the newest BF game after all so it would make sense

#

yeah

#

BF 1 is 80% veterans

#

people who've been playing for years

#

Bfv can go live in a hole

#

@vestal stream Talking about the playerbase, not the game itself

#

I found BF1 harder than V on PC idk

vestal stream
#

bfv is has 5 at the end and bf 1 only has 1 next to it

dense bone
#

Bfv can go live in a hole
@solid hinge or you can just stop playing it and let other people enjoy it

solid hinge
#

Yeah

vestal stream
#

@solid hinge or you can just stop playing it and let other people enjoy it
@dense bone why are you so chill today

#

and careless

solid hinge
#

That's what the name is

vestal stream
#

u high?

prime tulip
#

Yeah

solid hinge
#

me?

#

The movement in BF1 was really grounded

dense bone
#

i think my suggestions are just appropriate

solid hinge
#

BFV should've kept its direction to a more Hardcore audience
@Better name they would have losrt a tonne of sales
I guess so but it was the sole reason as to why I played it over the other BFs
so you're saying they should only do what you want

vestal stream
#

nah nyphon is like this today

solid hinge
#

thats pretty entitled

#

People arent sliding and jumping all over the place air strafing xD

vestal stream
#

he guys dont be mad

#

just live ur lives

#

go play something else

dense bone
#

im always like that

#

its a game

vestal stream
#

im so chill and cool and have a big pp

dense bone
#

not my wife

solid hinge
#

Wait I'm so confused

vestal stream
#

stop it

#

hippie

#

so annoying lol

solid hinge
#

@vestal stream u talking to me or @dense bone

vestal stream
#

trying so hard to be care free and chill doesnt work

dense bone
#

ITS JUST A GAME

vestal stream
#

to Nyphon

slender drift
#

It's only game. Why you heff to be mad?

vestal stream
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YES U KNOB BUT A GAME THAT HALF WOKS IS TERRIBLE

solid hinge
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Insulting is bad

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@vestal stream you're pretty toxic

dense bone
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i dont think im chill, i just call out peoples overreactions to a product

solid hinge
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BFV is shit tho ngl

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"Battlefield is my pussy"

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@solid hinge agreed

dense bone
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id give bfv a 6/10, definitely not good, but i wouldnt call it bad

solid hinge
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I only play BF V because there's a lot of people always online lmao

dense bone
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worst bf title though

solid hinge
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I personally prefer BF 1

dense bone
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(that ive played)

vestal stream
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bf4 is my favourite

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wish it was mor eactive

shy badger
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bfv is far from the worst

runic solar
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Hey, i'm trying to use ray tracing but with it on I get 60fps but stutter constantly.

slender drift
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Sometimes, when I look back at BFV and everything that happened, I just think to myself, "Where did it all go wrong?"

solid hinge
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Bf4 was the remasterd of bf3 but not better

shy badger
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Anyone who thinks that hasn't played them all

solid hinge
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BF3 is slightly better imo solely for the map design

dense bone
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bf4 is my favorite but it was also my first pc bf4 and i didnt get it at launch so i definitely have rose tinted glasses

solid hinge
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Bf4 was good but not as good as bf3

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BF4 went for a more creative approach which isnt bad but it's less clear

dense bone
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@shy badger ive only played bf3/4/1/v

slender drift
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"What the hell happened?"

brave garnet
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BF1 was my favorite

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The atmosphere was awsome

solid hinge
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I played the exact games as nyphon did for bf franchise

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Everyone hated the blue filter on BF3 but only I liked it for some reason

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ngl the best singleplayer campagin was BF 1

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The blue filter was very strong

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there is no question about that

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Blue filter isnt awful but give us options HyperWeary

prime pine
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Blau

solid hinge
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I didn't like war stories

brave garnet
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Through mud and blood was awsome

solid hinge
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Reshade isnt the best solution to fix it and people were getting banned for using external tools

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Wow

shy badger
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There's actually a bf3 mod that removes the blue filter

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Venice was it called?

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Something like that

solid hinge
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Well I had it on ps3 so I couldn do anything

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Yeah

prime pine
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I played bf3 and 4 on old gen and there are few games I look through with Rose tinted glasses

shy badger
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Venice unleashed

solid hinge
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Venice Unleashed is a must

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Cant wait for it to come out this year

shy badger
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Oh god hahaha

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The date on their release date is "coming soonTM"

prime pine
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Black ops 2, Patapon and BFH are my favourite games of the past. 🤷

charred heron
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I did like the forced first mission upon starting up BF1. It really set the mood of the game as well as giving you a small peek at what the game has to offer.

solid hinge
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I remember the day I shot a plane with a rocket in bf3

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I felt so badass

charred heron
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BFV's forced intro couldn't properly sell the mood even if it tried

brave garnet
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I remember around launch of BFV, on PC there were people that messed around with the graphics settings to make the game look like roblox just to see people better

solid hinge
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BF campaigns 🤢

slender drift
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Battlefield was never truly known for its campaigns.

charred heron
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Nothing wrong with BF campaigns. Dice just takles them wrong.

brave garnet
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Tackles*

charred heron
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A campaign is mostly a great way to teach basics in your game while telling a story.

brave garnet
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Ya

charred heron
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But Battlefield is just to....chaotic in MP to have a CoD-like corridor campaign

solid hinge
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MW's approach was pretty solid

charred heron
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Actually, a campaign that has the style of the first part of Through Mud and Blood, which was basically a scripted Rush match would suit the franchise pretty well

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A decent BF campaign is like a slightly scripted Conquest or Rush with some story, so basically a fancier version of the Operations in BF1

prime pine
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I was thinking of an intro where it has parts of the war story

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Small parts

charred heron
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And BF1's Operations were great in scenery, mood delivery and sound design

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Sadly BFV's GOs fell flat and downgraded everything

solid hinge
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Let's hope BF6 doesnt force you to go through a Campaign or CO-OP missions to get guns 🤢

runic solar
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Anyone know why I would be stuttering with RTX on? I have a 2070 super yet it stutters like hell.

charred heron
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Yeah, BF4's campaign wasn't that great

solid hinge
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Cant unlock BF3 MP7 because of that shit

charred heron
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And the only really relevant mission was the last one

prime pine
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Grand ops is great for points at least

charred heron
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The rest? The story was pretty bad and a bugfest with lots of scripts that teleported you

shy badger
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Is grand ops really good for points though

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The matches are just long

solid hinge
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BF4 deleting campaign saves when you're trying to unlock the other two weapons Free_Real_Estate

shy badger
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Its not as if you make more spm in grand ops

solid hinge
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Time to go through hell again

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i hated bf4 deleting campaign saves

charred heron
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The thing with Grand Ops is that it's long as well as the outcome ultimatively didn't matter until the 3rd "Day"

shy badger
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Yea thats stupid

charred heron
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Meanwhile, BF1's Operations had alternative, announced outcomes for every stage as well as the ending

shy badger
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The reason I stopped grand ops was because of that

charred heron
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And to be fair, who didn't feel like a Champ when you took a sector in BF1's Operation, the short piece of music to get you into the mood, the shouts and whistles from soldiers around you while advancing into the next sector...

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Or the pretty good officer speeches of each faction before a round starts

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Sells you right into the mood the scenario is setting and still gives me goosebumps

dense bone
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too bad bf1 had... questionable game design choices

charred heron
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Yeah

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cough SMG 08/18, Ilya Bomber, Arty Truck cough

slender drift
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Then again, some of those game design choices were likely due to the limitations that a WW1 setting gives.

dense bone
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sweet spot, nade spam, gas/gas masks, mortar, behemoths, elites...

charred heron
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Gas grenades were just spicy smoke grenades

dense bone
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those are the game design choices i dont like