I kickef ass for some reason, sometimes shot wont register but it still works
#battlefield-legacy-titles
solid hinge
merry bane
Once you get 300 or 270 ur dead in any of the battlefield games
stoic breach
170 is still playable
solid hinge
I only play in american servers due to the fact that i have the freedom to play in any map i want from the server browser
stoic breach
but over 200 is unplayable
cause for a month BF1 was only connecting me to japan
for some reason
solid hinge
I like playing panzerstorm just to hunt tanks
wet fossil
Good ol' server browser.
stoic breach
well i was using the server browser
wet fossil
BF1 matchmaking and browser: broken since 2017
wet fossil
If BF1's matchmaking actually functioned correctly we'd probably have an easier time getting a normal server to hold together.
stoic breach
probably
wet fossil
Instead it'd rather put twenty people into twenty empty servers.
Can't believe DICE is just... allowed to leave a game in a broken state.
stoic breach
rip
stoic breach
wet fossil
Man honestly those guys talked even less than the Australians do.
Seriously, Australians don't say shit.
wet fossil
It gets to the point that if I can hold even a single conversation with these people they get on the friend list.
compact oxide
Oi don't talk down to us Aussies
stoic breach
hes aussie too
đ
on xbox
same pain
even bloody
MW doesnt really have open mic anymore
nobody talks shit and starts rivalries on MW
and if you play too well and requeue, SBMM puts you in a new lobby
compact oxide
Rip thats the best part
stoic breach
yeah i know right
wet fossil
If you find a squad that's clearly communicating you can't even work with them anymore because they're always in party chat.
stoic breach
yeah
wet fossil
If you're lucky, one of them will take notice and actually invite you.
compact oxide
I just ask to be invited to their discord tbh
wet fossil
But most of the time they're just in their own world.
stoic breach
yeah
i got invited to a party on Titanfall 2 once
that was pretty entertaining
actually twice
because I was using the Kraber đ©
wet fossil
The guys I play with most spend most of their time in Warframe.
Bunch of Kiwis.
But I met them in Titanfall 1.
Bunch of max level fully regened pros and I had one of their guys evenly matched.
stoic breach
thats great actually
compact oxide
My gaming buds all play MW now when I just want bf1 to be popular again
stoic breach
yeah I wish BF1 was popular again but MW is good enough for me
wet fossil
After a couple weeks worth of matches where we kept seeing and beating the crap out of each other, he finally shot me a party invite.
compact oxide
Rivals make the best mates
wet fossil
He's also the source of damn near everything I know in Warframe.
Because seriously just try to find a dickhead in Warframe, it's impossible.
stoic breach
Yeah I got a party invite from a clan because I was matching them with the Kraber
compact oxide
Noice
stoic breach
They thought I was smurfing because I didnt have as many tracked kills as them
main grove
I really want plane TTK to be lowered but spawns faster
compact oxide
Your clan cover PC too?
stoic breach
wait whos clan
main grove
I hate dogfights that drag out due to planes only dying from like 6 seconds of continuous fire
compact oxide
Yours and CMDR
prime pine
Actually I think the old controller recoil multiplier is back
stoic breach
i wish warframe had cross save though
i wanna play it with my cousin and other friends but they're on pc
prime pine
I'm controlling my fg42 much better. Better than before
main grove
Been playing a bit more BF1 and using the min spread guns
stoic breach
oh hell yeah
main grove
The ribey, 1906 and Huot
compact oxide
1906 for life
stoic breach
funny enough the MP40 in BFV has better hipfire than the MP18 but the MP18 kills faster
main grove
I like that these two BFs have been really nice to Hipfire
compact oxide
You using the factory 1906 then?
main grove
Wasnât Hipfire shit in BF3 and 4 and HL
wet fossil
The 1906 in BF1 is for showing off.
Like yeah you could be using a better gun.
But you're not.
stoic breach
I think the hipfire in BF4 was good but it didnt show it
compact oxide
1906 in bf1 is freaking great
wet fossil
Because you're confident in your chances.
main grove
1906 kills fairly quick at quite a long distance
compact oxide
Literally only downside is mag and reload
stoic breach
and BF3 had euro hipfire which was a bug that made hipfire as accurate as ADS
wet fossil
BF4 hipfire's pretty forgiving I think.
compact oxide
Pinpoint accurate with no recoil and fast fire rate
wet fossil
Sure I only really hipfire at nearly point blank
But the Tavor was blazing them down.
compact oxide
Perfect gun for hit and run on enemies
main grove
Hellriegel and SMG08/18 really feels shit to me
wet fossil
The Hellriegel is so flat
compact oxide
They are
compact oxide
But they're easy to use
wet fossil
It's so boring to use.
compact oxide
Yup
wet fossil
The SMG08 is more like a fucking wild beast.
No control whatsoever because of all that recoil.
wet fossil
The slow firing one?
main grove
I used it optical
wet fossil
Yeah that was the real deal.
compact oxide
Smg08 s basically a pocket parabellum
wet fossil
When they changed it to ultra fast firing I thought it was a bug.
compact oxide
But faster and fast reload
main grove
Parabellum is lethal on the bipod
compact oxide
Parabellum is lethal period tbh
wet fossil
The weird thing about BF1's machine guns is that the fast firing ones are actually rather average by BFV standards
main grove
Which is obviously for balance reasons
wet fossil
But they feel a hell of a lot faster.
main grove
Yeah WW1 autos werenât the fastest
compact oxide
Parabellum is if you want the bar but more clip traded for longer reload
wet fossil
Maybe it's the sheer recoil.
main grove
Madsen went from BAR lite in BF1 to slow long range MG in BFV
wet fossil
The Hotchkiss is such a nice LMG though.
main grove
Despite the Madsen in BFV being the sawn off version
compact oxide
Bf1 had limpets too đ©
wet fossil
Just shoving that clip through the side
You could put the Hotchkiss into BFV.
The French were using it when things got a bit antsy in 1940.
Then the Germans took them because they were desperate for literally anything at this point...
compact oxide
Alternatively don't bother touching bfv anymore
wet fossil
There's literally this picture of some SS guys using a fucking Chauchat in Russia.
Like, in the field.
Jesus christ, how desperate must you be to be willing to bring that
stoic breach
thats weird as
wet fossil
There's a similar LMG using the same side-feeding stripper clip system that the Japanese used a whole lot.
Why can't we have that.
I think it was more popular than the Type 11.
I really like using the Type 11 actually. Pity the clip reload has to be a spec.
compact oxide
Remember there was two versions of the chauchat
The American one was the really really crappy one
main grove
1915 and 1918 one
main grove
1918 used the 15 round mags that were awful
compact oxide
It was the guns themselves as well
Gun Jesus did a few vids diving into the history of them
wet fossil
But anyway it's a somewhat unreliable LMG from WW1 that by rights should've been well and truly retired at this point, and for some reason the Germans had taken them to the Eastern Front because they apparently just didn't have enough of anything real.
main grove
Chauchat wasnât really a machine gun more so than a semi auto rifle that was used on the bipod in practise
lofty marsh
when does the weekly mission thing start for eu
main grove
Like you wouldnât suppress with it
wet fossil
Half of the German inventory was basically just stolen shit from countries they took over.
The 38t, Czech.
wet fossil
Fucking Hotchkiss Tanks from the French saw a lot of use.
Amusingly the commander of the one in Company of Heroes 2 really hates it and will make it clear in all sorts of ways.
He's fully aware that it is lightly armoured and has a crap gun
wet fossil
Ugh can I be a regular so I can post images.
slender drift
@wet fossil you still got a ways to go if you want the regular role.
wet fossil
Literally every other server I'm on doesn't do this shit.
I'm aware you have to hold down shitposters and all that but come on
I can't even have youtube videos embed properly.
slender drift
Might as well get used to it.
compact oxide
Unfortunately we've had LOTS of issues before when we freed it up
Like it was pretty ridiculous
compact oxide
Alternatively if you boost the server it works wink wink
stoic breach
winky wonky
dusty rampart
can anyone help me, every time i try to start bf4 theres a black screen and i cant find anything on google
dusty rampart
nah pc
compact oxide
Just put Steve Irwin in screw it
fossil heron
No one could hate on DICE for that one
prime pine
Why aren't you asleep
fossil heron
I go to bed around 2 usually but I am quite tired
Braddock said that they're attempting to put together a decent team balancer for the june update
shy badger
Crazy people
stoic breach
you play a different game that lets you see enemies
compact oxide
solid hinge
I mean this whole âslicing the pie thingâ
You know
the stuff a player does competitively
main grove
I donât really have issues seeing people on most maps
stoic breach
its small because old comp players know that BFV is too restrictive
shy badger
Was competitive ever big in bf?
stoic breach
and that the current comp rules actually suck asshole
prime pine
Its usually 8v8 squad conquest
main grove
That makes seeing people really difficult especially around the woodland cabin
prime pine
Well people usually run suomi, lewis gun, stg 1-5 and bar
In comp
M1907 too
You're there to win not to fuck around with gimmicks.
main grove
Why do people even bother with making a BF game comp
prime pine
It's the best balance of rpm and control
stoic breach
plus BFV is entirely based around gimmicks
if you want to avoid gimmicks, you have to avoid the entire game
stoic breach
its not that amazing
prime pine
It gets the job done
prime pine
It is! Purely as of fire rate. 44 has control admittedly
stoic breach
Thats why people use it
nobody gives a shit about any other stat in BFV except for recoil
main grove
44âs recoil is kinda big for me though
main grove
For some reason I canât control 44 at range
main grove
What does that mean
stoic breach
is it the 25% vrec reduction for console
stoic breach
i didnt realise they even took that out
prime pine
Controller get an 0.75 vertical recoil multiplier
main grove
I wish every SMG up to the MABâs fire rate got a slight damage boost
prime pine
Will admit I would like to see the mp40 being slightly better but
Whatever
I did enjoy the mp40 on 5.2
main grove
BF1 had SMG damage variances
stoic breach
wow
irl the Sten could have a rate of fire of 600
but in BFV its 540
I guess that would make it too similar to the MAB
fossil heron
Irl the 2a had a fire rate of 600 not 1200
stoic breach
reduced drag for STEN/MP40 could be alright
main grove
Yeah the 2a being 600 rpm makes more sense because when I first used it
solid hinge
Gotta love it when SAMP has a higher player count than BFV 
stoic breach
idk, guess they wanted to put a fun gun into the game for once
1200 rpm SMG is very fun
1024 rpm as well
stoic breach
yea
main grove
I hope they keep BFVâs shooting in the next one
Maybe increase spread just a little bit
rare shell
Is the Libya map going to be US v Germans or UK v Germans?
stoic breach
nah
main grove
So that you can increase damage a little bit as well
stoic breach
no need to increase spread
same spread with better damage would be fine
just increase spread while strafing
so people cant A/D spam
stoic breach
Yeah
main grove
And heavy machine guns
wet fossil
I want to go back to BF1 gunplay.
stoic breach
Well generally similar weapon categories should have similar ADS times with small variances
main grove
Thatâs like the one aspect about COD gunplay I actually like
wet fossil
Far as I'm concerned it was balanced and actually needed skill to use effectively.
long nexus
@rare shell UK vs GER? cause US doesn't have a lot of tanks and planes thus would be destroyed easily
stoic breach
skill doesnt really matter when it comes to shooting
stoic breach
decrease means faster
rare shell
@rare shell UK vs GER? cause US doesn't have a lot of tanks and planes thus would be destroyed easily
@long nexus idk man
Maybe the drop more than a map
But highly unlikely
main grove
In MW equipping any optic even if itâs a reflex will slow your ADS speed a bit
stoic breach
actually i guess its interchangable
main grove
In exchange for the clearer sight picture
rare shell
All I wanted was some US v GER gameplay đŠ
main grove
They wonât be able to do that because the vehicles wonât be balanced
They WERE in the process of making US Europe vehicles
stoic breach
yeah asymetrical vehicle balance is actually stupid
main grove
As the datamines showed
main grove
I prefer unbalanced asymmetrical vehicles to both tanks being just reskins like in BF4
long nexus
Tanks for GER are stronger compared to LVT and SHERMAN. The planes are comparatively slower and underpowered too
wet fossil
Every country did have very different tactics.
main grove
I prefer unbalanced variety to balanced sameness
wet fossil
Frankly though the British should have Crusaders and Cromwells.
main grove
Crusader would be interesting itâd perform kinda like the Panzer 38t
stoic breach
"Skillful" recoil is kinda stupid because if its designed for you to drag your mouse down, dragging your mouse down just makes it 0 recoil
rare shell
As long as it isnât like the Type 97 2 hitting a Sherman like before Iâm fine
main grove
But with a bigger gun but larger target
stoic breach
"Easy" recoil is much better
you can just have more hrec and less vrec because that actually modulates range properly
damage dropoff helps as well
wet fossil
I don't think about balancing PC gunplay at all.
main grove
The only recoil that is uncontrollable exists in two forms
stoic breach
4-6BTK automatics with low vertical recoil but different amounts of hrec is ideal
main grove
You have H rec which is what BFV uses
And I donât know what name it has
But big fucking shakey recoil
Thatâs what MW uses
stoic breach
its spread-to-recoil
oh MW uses recoil-to-spread
BFV's system isnt actually that good because its completely random recoil
main grove
All I know is on MW heavy recoil guns donât really travel a lot but they shake the view a lot
wet fossil
Guns are not 100% predictable
stoic breach
it just has low base spread and spread decrease is proportionate to rate of fire I think
yeah they arent
wet fossil
Get the Counterstrike out of your head.
main grove
Recoil patterns are stupid
wet fossil
Stupid 'learnable patterns'...
stoic breach
hahaha
yeah CSGO poisoned everyone by making them think recoil patterns are actually good for weapon balance
main grove
Like recoil is a balancing factor to make guns less easy to use at range
stoic breach
they fucking arent
main grove
Recoil isnât something that players should âlearnâ so that their gun now has essentially zero recoil
stoic breach
but yeah, BFV just converts spread to recoil so your weapon's aim is a slave to the random bullet spread
wet fossil
Like it's simple isn't it. Big bullet, high rate of fire, they push the gun around.
stoic breach
BFV just has low base spread so you can tapfire
stoic breach
they both have good use cases for different types of weapons
main grove
ARs I feel should be the best suited for tapfiring
SMGs and LMGs should be low recoil but more spread
Those guns are kinda made for magdumping
They are both machine guns
stoic breach
Well thats the thing about ARs
main grove
ARs should be low ass base spread
stoic breach
being that they arent as good at range in BFV as SAR's, they're the perfect weapon to make the most flexible
and why they should be a part of the medic class instead of SMGs
LMGs had reverse spread because you were supposed to dump them
same with MMGs
main grove
ARs are not even that good of a weapon class
rare shell
Honestly the fan base could of made a better game than Dice and EA made BFV
main grove
In BFV
stoic breach
Yeah I know
which is why they should be medic weapons and not assault
Assault should be SMG/SAR, good at close and mid-long, but lacking in pure mid
Medic should be pure mid, with niche weapons for close and long range (M1907 and Breda PG)
Those weapons would be harder to use than SMGs/SARs so medic would need to put more effort into competing in those circumstances
main grove
Tbh the game I wanted BFV to be would have been a fusion of BF1 and V
rare shell
Maybe 1 day we will get a decent FPS WW2 game
stoic breach
yeah maybe
main grove
V took to many things in a direction that werenât needed
stoic breach
yeah
rare shell
Maybe Enlisted will be gud
wet fossil
Look I just want to be able to iron sight snipe at people
stoic breach
I really wish BFV was just BF1.5
main grove
I still think V is good but thereâs a lot of things I donât like with it
rare shell
Itâs eh
main grove
Customisation despite everyone bitching about it
wet fossil
But I'm stuck at crappy 1.5x magnification and getting close enough to hit shit with that makes me vulnurable to even smgs.
main grove
Is really good
rare shell
All they had to do was listen to us
wet fossil
And those fucking KEMA double damage servers completely ruin it.
main grove
So everyone though they were some sort of god for using irons
wet fossil
Because now you don't have to aim to get instakill.
stoic breach
yeah fuck KemA servers
rare shell
They could of literally had us tell them what to do with the game
main grove
When really itâs the scopes that were the hard to use
wet fossil
Letting irons have aim assist like that was actually a good idea.
stoic breach
If BF was designed by the symthic community guys, it would be the perfect BF game
main grove
I donât think DICEâs workers are the ones at fault
wet fossil
It made the more... historical usage of iron sights viable.
main grove
Itâs apparently plagued with shitty management
stoic breach
The thing with OHK snipers is that they're actually a good idea
snipers should be good at killing at range, and easily too
wet fossil
Only in the head or with sweetspots.
stoic breach
Yeah
stoic breach
BFV could've used a combination of OHK snipers and sweetspot snipers
main grove
Be the best Anti infantry class
stoic breach
With the medic bolt carbines being used by recon purists
wet fossil
And you need four hundred kills to get it.
wet fossil
And the crap hitboxes stop you from hitting shit anyway.
stoic breach
because its too slow and has too much recoil
main grove
On paper scout should be by far the best at killing other soldiers
stoic breach
yeah
wet fossil
The last thing we need is to encourage sniper spam.
main grove
But the worst
wet fossil
BF1 had them down perfectly.
stoic breach
sniper spam only happens because maps are too big
or too open
MW 6v6 isnt a sniper fest because maps are the right size
Ground War is only a sniper fest because maps are too open
main grove
BF1942 style maps yesssss
wet fossil
6v6 is fucking cramped.
stoic breach
Not too big, too open
wet fossil
You're not going to see many snipers in some room-to-room streetfighting.
stoic breach
Yeah
Even then, with larger maps, its not a big deal
sightline blockers, geometry
actual map design stops snipers from being too present
because the maps arent too open
wet fossil
I'm still not having one shot snipers. You gotta actually aim properly and use your ranges.
main grove
But can get shot from so many angles
stoic breach
yeah
Well thats the thing
bolt carbines are already in BFV
for headshots
and they dont suck at bodyshots either
like bolts do
prime pine
Shotgun!
stoic breach
Bolt actions in BF have to be OHK because they're too slow otherwise
main grove
Kar98 is probably one of the worst guns in the whole fucking game
stoic breach
and headshot balance sucks because no other weapon is designed for it
the jungle carbine has a 100m headshot range
main grove
Like itâs slow as shit and for what reason
stoic breach
thats the range where you can still sort of be useful by sniping
wet fossil
They're actually faster than their BF1 counterparts, apparently
wet fossil
I mean, the stats say that the BFV rifles are faster but they sure as hell don't feel like it...
stoic breach
so they may have faster cyclic rates, but their KPM is slower than BF1
wet fossil
I think its the cycling animation. Theoretically you can fire faster but you won't have the sights on target.
stoic breach
yeah
main grove
Someone gets shot by a sniper and then hides
Youâll constantly hit people,but not kill them
proper turret
when the chapter comrades ?
stoic breach
yeah, its why every sniper needs "straight pull" but actual straight pulls should be faster
wet fossil
And I don't fire until I can see the sights steady because in my mind that's when the reload's actually ended.
stoic breach
yeah
wet fossil
Again, BF1 was better at this.
stoic breach
Bolt actions need to be able to bodyshot because theres basically no threat otherwise
wet fossil
Even the 1895, which was a frigging lever action.
main grove
Tbh Iâd be down with reducing velocity but adding sweet spots back
wet fossil
Bolt action velocity is already in the shit in this game.
main grove
Yeah at the start
wet fossil
Lee enfield rounds used to be slower than the stens.
stoic breach
in BF1, sniper bullets had more drag after the sweetspot range
main grove
It got a buff now
stoic breach
The reason the M1903 was the best at range was because it had the longest sweetspot
wet fossil
Still can't hit shit with it.
main grove
But still does no damage
I mean hitting in between that 100-150m sweet spot was really Fucking difficult
If you are 100-150m away
stoic breach
yeah, but it was really nice
wet fossil
Basically the sweet spot system was actually a really good way to differentiate rifles
proper turret
thanks @prime pine
main grove
Then Iâm sorry but you are not killing actually dangerous targets
stoic breach
Well heres another idea then
Boys AT/PzB39 become recon gadgets, and have increase base spread to stop them from sniping people
main grove
They become the BFV equivalent of K bullets
wet fossil
Sure just lug around a big fuckin AT rifle and your regular rifle
stoic breach
Every sniper gets a sweetspot except the Krag
main grove
Is lugging around an AT rifle
stoic breach
the bolt actions get medium ADS speed, but the Krag gets a slow speed
however, the Krag can OHK up to 80m
without a sweetspot
main grove
Honestly that less believable that support carrying a mortar up his ass in BF1
stoic breach
hahaha
main grove
Or even assault with the lunge mine
wet fossil
Look OHKs without proper and precise sweetspots and headshots is just stupid alright.
Remember that you'll be on the other side of this too.
stoic breach
Its not, because of the opportunity cost
yeah
thats why scope glint exists
specifically rainbow scope glint for sweetspots
wet fossil
I don't want to get knocked down because some five year old managed to whiff me.
stoic breach
it was more ovbious than white glint
stoic breach
plus, if the glint starts at the start of the animation, the target gets a few more milliseconds of reaction time
yeah
iron sights are great
wet fossil
2x magnification fucking when
stoic breach
which is why if the Krag became an OHK, it shouldnt be allowed to use iron sights
wet fossil
God at least it isn't BF4 where you needed to randomly unlock sights
stoic breach
the snipers in MW cant use iron sights because they would be too strong
main grove
Honestly
wet fossil
Stop trying to compare COD gunplay to Battlefield's.
main grove
Krag should be the only bolt that canât OHK
stoic breach
Battlefield was better when it copied Cod
wet fossil
Fuck right off.
main grove
But give it a stupid high velocity
stoic breach
Like BF3 and Hardline
Battlefield has been constantly limited by the need to not be CoD
stoic breach
And fans constantly try to compare to two games
Now MW is making strides to improve FPS gameplay while BF continues to stagnate
wet fossil
Again: BF1 was perfect on TTK, as it was with a great many things.
main grove
BF1 and BFV TTK is perfect to me
drowsy pendant
that's cus dice sucks
main grove
They both are practically around the same
stoic breach
Yeah the BF!/BFV TTK are perfect for large(er) map gameplay
OHK snipers dont change that
same with 3-3BTK SARs and shit
drowsy pendant
BF! is my favorite one
wet fossil
But then DICE decided to try and chase the esports crowd with their absurd need for totally predictable gameplay.
And guess what, esports players don't give a damn about Battlefield.
stoic breach
Yeah, which is why spread is much better
drowsy pendant
im cracked
main grove
I hate spread
stoic breach
dragging your mouse down shouldnt completely nullify recoil, because then theres no reason to make weapons balanced at all
main grove
But itâs good for balance
stoic breach
Well every game needs spread for balance
main grove
Makes slow guns far more worth using
wet fossil
I just want my bolt action's bullets to actually go where they're meant to. I swear they're off half the time.
stoic breach
Its just that Halo has no recoil because its not needed
prime pine
It allows people to properly learn the guns despite it being as simple as dragging your mouse or thumbstick up
Err
I mean down
I play on invert LMAO
prime pine
Invert feels right at home
main grove
Invert is odd like I tried it once and didnât do horribly but it still felt weird
stoic breach
Being able to 'learn" the gun isnt just recoil
prime pine
Going to revert is weird
stoic breach
Its recoil impulse, magazine size, rate of fire, range
prime pine
Learning trigger discipline is one too
prime pine
But your primary concern should be recoil. On to control it.
prime pine
Then when you learn that you should steadily learn other aspects
main grove
As soon as you learned to burst to control spread in BF1
prime pine
Mag dumping leaves you with little ammo on bf5
main grove
You became fucking Lethal
prime pine
Proper discipline allows you to deal with multiple people
Without running dry all the time
wet fossil
And then there's me, who never magdumps unless I've either got plenty of bullets to spare or am at basically point blank.
main grove
Wait a min
stoic breach
Yeah, ammo conservation is more important than recoil control
wet fossil
So unsurprisingly I was rather good at BF1...
stoic breach
If your gun has 0 vrec, but you're wasting ammo constantly, its the same as not being useful in a fight
its not
Fedorov is really generic
main grove
Well beyond 30m it quickly dropped to 6
main grove
Fedorov is fun
stoic breach
people used it because it was automatic and controllable
main grove
Le WW1 AR
wet fossil
It'd fit BFV plenty well though.
prime pine
But you can't learn discipline l without proper recoil control. I can fire an entire bar mag like an idiot to kill one guy and have no ammo left for the next gut
Guy
wet fossil
Saw use in the Winter War.
stoic breach
Ribey was far better at doing basically the same thing
prime pine
Medic had infinite heals
stoic breach
But thats the thing
main grove
Yeah but assault was made for being good killer while medic was meant to have guns that were good but not amazing
wet fossil
Medic has infinite heals now and it's in a game with damned attrition and no cooldowns on throwing pouches...
main grove
Ribey would be more lethal than Fedorov
stoic breach
Extreme recoil for guns in a game is basically just a game of "simon says" every time you fire your gun
wet fossil
Medic guns were kickass last time.
stoic breach
simon says drag your mouse down now
main grove
Yeah I know
stoic breach
thats what horizontal spread is for
main grove
Thatâs why I cited
stoic breach
yeah
main grove
Fucking even ARMA has kinda light recoil
stoic breach
its cause the TTK is so low in that game that they made recoil that huge
but theres other ways to improve TTK without changing guns
buffing awareness
main grove
Itâs just at ranges like 200-500m like in average ARMA engagements
stoic breach
Yeah
main grove
Light recoil is enough to completely fuck you,over
stoic breach
Even then, light recoil with high spread is actually realistic
MW handles recoil the best in any FPS game I've ever played
stoic breach
yeah
long range
which is basically what BF games encompass
Its also good for pistol balance for example as well
main grove
Pistols are weak as fuck TTK wise
But you have massive movement speed buffs
When ADS
stoic breach
If the M1912 was 450rpm 3BTK with lower base spread but longer recoil, and the Ruby pistol was 450rpm 3BTK with higher base spread and faster reload
we would start to see some variation in the pistol balance
stoic breach
Well the Ruby is one of the faster pistols
its 450rom compared to the P38 which is 360rpm
main grove
No Iâm just saying ruby is shooting a small ass bullet so itâs kinda meant to be 4btk
stoic breach
yeah maybe
wet fossil
First we need to give a reason to use the damn pistols.
main grove
Iâm trying to balance in a fashion similar to real life because the P38 was loathed for bad accuracy by Germans
wet fossil
All the primaries are too... fast.
fossil heron
Better than reloading
wet fossil
Once again: BF1 pistols were useful.
stoic breach
yeah, they also all had a good niche
stoic breach
lol
wet fossil
But everyone and their mother uses automatic weapons now.
main grove
The lack of base spread I feel has helped BFV pistols a lot
stoic breach
I remember the SW27 in the files was alot stronger
fossil heron
Sniping people with the 1911
main grove
When I played BFV beta I thought pistols were strong as fuck when I reliably kept getting headshot with P38
fossil heron
Model 27 would be meta af if it got a scope
main grove
Thatâs the thing Iâm unsure about if BF1 pistols were stronger
stoic breach
Its only meta because its the least shit pistol
stoic breach
yeah
fossil heron
In 1?
main grove
Yes
stoic breach
they had good hipfire though
And good damage
BFV pistols should definitely be class exclusive though
fossil heron
Hipfiring pistols was where it was at in 1
main grove
BF5 pistols donât really suck itâs just primaries tend to out damage them up close
main grove
BF1 was a WW1 game so most of the time
Your handgun could compete with whatever gun they had up close
wet fossil
One detail I really like is how nobody uses two handed grips on their handguns.
main grove
Because of the abundance of 450rpm shooters
wet fossil
They were always taught to do it one handed.
stoic breach
I kinda do like how if you crouch in BFV you two-hand your pistol, but if you stand, you one-hand it
main grove
And give them ALL lightened stock effect
stoic breach
its really good to be able to tell at a glance if you're crouched or standing
wet fossil
Then there's the subject of melee.
stoic breach
Actually yeah increased strafe for pistols with increased spread to compensate would actually be really good
wet fossil
I can never land a proper melee hit in the game, or get just the one and then get smashed.
main grove
Melee is a meme in both BF1 and V
stoic breach
you shouldnt move and shoot, but you should be able to evade
main grove
Itâs just a less effective meme in BFV
wet fossil
But I go back to BF1 for a couple of hours and suddenly it works even on laggy servers.
wet fossil
It's the damn hitboxes.
wet fossil
Like they're using the same animations but they actually hit properly and I swear they swing faster too.
main grove
BF1 definitely felt like it was built from scratch compared to BF4 and HL
main grove
Well actually
main grove
I think BF1 was a heavily modified battlefront 1
wet fossil
A new engine variant, a new system of gameplay.
stoic breach
it was definitely alot better than battlefront 1
wet fossil
They use the same iteration of Frostbite but BF1 handles it so much better
main grove
Battlefield 1 definitely felt like it had some ghosts of Battlefront 1 in its feel
stoic breach
yea
wet fossil
Jesus christ Battlefront just did not do its job.
stoic breach
I just realised, BF should have gunbashing, but if you melee from behind it could be an instant kill
main grove
Like look at tracers in BF1 and BFV
stoic breach
with a short knife animation in first person
wet fossil
We should have a melee option for just beating the shit out of the other guy.
stoic breach
oh yeah that reminds me
wet fossil
Instead we're limited to hitting people on their backs...
main grove
Well I have hope for BF6 since they shut support for both DICE games
For the sake of its development
Iâve always figured BFV was more of a free throwaway experiment for DICE anyway
stoic breach
I hope thats the case
main grove
It was the last game before next gen
stoic breach
and not the blueprint for future games
main grove
Imagine thinking they would long term support a game that comes out just before next gen
wet fossil
Fuckin Star Wars
main grove
It was a big experiment
wet fossil
Like you just give me a mag-less Lewis Gun and call it a T-21
main grove
They wanted to see what no paid DLC would,look like
They wanted to see what hardly any spread would,look like
They wanted to try out all these fancy new gimmicks
wet fossil
And then there's the CA-87 which is a very cut down SMLE.
main grove
Like fortifications and attrition
wet fossil
And that just leaves me wanting the actual SMLE in Battlefront
stoic breach
If Battlefront 2 had the same TTK as BFV and no heroes in multiplayer
it would start to become a good game
main grove
Question
stoic breach
And also better weapon balance because holy shit
wet fossil
Honestly Battlefront made me realise that blasters actually kinda suck.
stoic breach
4BTK snipers are fucking dumb
wet fossil
They're so slow
stoic breach
yeah
main grove
Why does no one use a proper Fucking gun in the Star Wars universe
wet fossil
Like in terms of actual fire rate.
stoic breach
Because its considered barbaric
main grove
Blasters look like they do LESS damage that a gun
wet fossil
Unless it's a tank in which case shit's semiautomatic
stoic breach
Yeah, bullets are considered barbaric in the star wars universe
Only trandoshans use weapons like actual shotguns
i forgot how they spelt
wet fossil
Just like reskin Battlefield bullet tracers in blue or red
stoic breach
idk , that was in republic commando at least
main grove
Which would completely nullify laser shields and lightsaber blocks
Seriously just use a well made gun in Star Wars rather than a blaster
main grove
It would pinch right through a stormtroopersâs shitty plastic armour
stoic breach
I thought it was semi auto
wet fossil
Well technically blasters are actually pretty damn powerful
Blowing chunks out of steel walls
stoic breach
because its like 360rpm full auto
wet fossil
But Battlefront sure as hell doesn't show that.
stoic breach
yeah
wet fossil
Lots of flash, no power.
stoic breach
the game should have sneakily upped the rates of fire for every weapon
wet fossil
So you've got a slow firing gun that isn't powerful enough to justify it.
stoic breach
and also upped the damage
wet fossil
And there's no medic class.
wet fossil
Fuckin MG-42.
main grove
Halo does the same
In lore itâs all like âooh these energy weapons are so Fucking lethal to fleshâ but in game they do hardly any damage
wet fossil
Also the Valken fucking sucks.
stoic breach
Its actually a really fucking good design I love the look of that gun
Yeah I know
4BTK sniper is shit
It should've been 2BTK instead
but cant headshot
wet fossil
Just get medics, give them bacta patches, give them those revive shocker things from Republic Commando
main grove
TTK needs to be balanced with how long you spend in the death screen
BF games force you to spend 10 secs
stoic breach
the death screen is really short in Battlefront 2
main grove
In big modes
stoic breach
which is actually a good thing the game does
wet fossil
When I die in Battlefront it pisses me off because now I must walk all the way back
stoic breach
There are some legit good design choices in that game, they're just rare
wet fossil
And I don't even get a map.
solid hinge
battlefront 2's main problem for me are snipers that can sit 800 meters away and kill tanks, troops with 1 or 2 shots and trash hero players that dont play objectives
main grove
Yeah battlefront 2 has a short death screen but walking back to the fight takes the piss
stoic breach
800m away is a map design problem tho
I only ever played as jet trooper because jet trooper was broke as shit
wet fossil
Short death screen then I'm stuck in spawn for like ten seconds just waiting
So it's actually feeling longer than Battlefield's
stoic breach
faster TTK than other classes, while taking twice as long to kill, instant death rocket launcher, faster movement speed than other classes with more mobility
and only for 1000 battle points
wet fossil
Navigating the map is a damn nightmare because you can't climb, you can't see where you're going
And there's no mini map
stoic breach
there is a minimap, it just sucks
wet fossil
That thing is a motion tracker that sometimes has map borders on it
main grove
There is no map
wet fossil
But borders aren't shit to me.
stoic breach
hahaha
wet fossil
Why yes, I can tell there's a wall there I'm standing right in front of it.
stoic breach
yeah you cant see the full map
main grove
So actually having awareness of where the fight is at
Where you have allies or no
Is non existent
stoic breach
well at least the ally and enemy icons are actually good
as well as visibility
those are two positives in terms of awareness
main grove
I mean itâs a game where some people are wearing full white armour
Not hard to tick the visibility check in that
main grove
Fuck fighting droids
Theyâre so hard to see and because theyâre skinny
You think they are less tanky
stoic breach
yeah droid hitboxes are odd
not impossible though
well nothing should be tanky in that game
in actual star wars, storm troopers would be going down in one or 2 shots
everything should be balanced around the general 4-5BTK area
With changes around that
The Valken should be a slow 2-3BTK with a long reload, the IQA11 should be a 3-4BTK with a faster rate of fire and a medium reload
main grove
There is one thing that BF1 introduces that I cannot live without now
Thatâs the damage score indicator
stoic breach
The starter assault gun should be a 3-5BTK with 450rpm rate of fire
main grove
I cannot stand the idea of playing an older BF and now shooting someone
stoic breach
hahaha
main grove
And not knowing exactly how much damage I did
stoic breach
is it the one that tells you how much damage you've done?
oh yeah
no that shit actually slaps its so good
stoic breach
increased player awareness will always be such a good thing
yeah
knowing how much damage you delt to someone is such a good idea
wet fossil
Yeah that damage thing is great.
main grove
Like when you shoot someone with a bodyshot with a sniper in BF4 you have no clue what you actually just did
stoic breach
Also things like telling people when they've been spotted in BFV, that in BF1 would've been fantastic
Yeah
just maximum player awareness
also the peripheral enemy indicator in BFV was also a really good idea that could be expanded on
stoic breach
Yeah cause everyone is fucking stupid
thats why
"oh you should be able to use your eyes to see enemies"
yeah
thats the the dot is for
its for your eyes
main grove
The same fucking people who complained about lack of visibility
stoic breach
to cut through all the visual information
main grove
Complained about that
stoic breach
honestly BF could use blunt fixes from time to time
main grove
Maps had a lower contrast compared to soldiers
stoic breach
Yeah
main grove
BF1 was peak visibility
stoic breach
yeah
main grove
You,could not miss soldiers
stoic breach
BF1 visibility plus the indicator would be really good
fossil heron
Especially during the sand storms
stoic breach
and if people fired their weapon within 15m they should get a red outline
wet fossil
They were subtly designed and yet they still kind of stood out.
main grove
Maybe not that
stoic breach
yeah
wet fossil
It's really well done.
stoic breach
no that would be really good, to help cut through the background and show the player that they're in danger
wet fossil
Everyone having actually distinctive uniforms helped too.
main grove
Some dude is there
stoic breach
Yeah i know, but its all about visibility
someone firing their weapon in the corner of your screen is good help
but then it turns out its a teammate
main grove
BF1 soldiers were kinda large
stoic breach
and you got scared and wasted ammo for nothing
main grove
Like they were thick
midnight nimbus
BF1 soldiers were the thinnest in the franchise lol
main grove
BFV soldiers have an anorexic look in comparison
wet fossil
You trained yourself to look for certain figures and outfits.
main grove
No they were not surely
midnight nimbus
BFV hitboxes are identical, except they just have bigger heads
wet fossil
Now everyone's running about in kitbashed messes that don't have standardised colours.
Still better than BF4 though
stoic breach
yeah the customisation really took away from the identification
wet fossil
In that everyone just looks like a blob to me.
stoic breach
it makes me wish CoD had their skins tied to weapon type, but thats kind of its own thing
not super super important
main grove
I still prefer customisation over identification
stoic breach
if gadgets stood out it would be ok
main grove
In most cases itâs honestly not that important who they were unless
stoic breach
good example is how in Titanfall, whatever launcher a player had was attached to their back
main grove
Where Iâm like I wish I could feel who is a threat
wet fossil
Class outfits allowed me to figure out the best engagement ranges.
Keep distance from Assaults, know that Supports are likely to stand still
Just watch out for medics in general
main grove
They need to have a toned down customisation where you can change some details but the overall silhouette remains the same
Like TF2
For BF1 this was how you identified people
Medic had crutches
wet fossil
Assaults had big AT grenades and probably some kind of face mask
main grove
Support often had a draping cloth and unique headgear
wet fossil
Scouts got capes.
main grove
Scout had an upright stance and trench coat/cape
Scout and medic have identical stances
wet fossil
Honestly BF1 is extremely well designed on all visual fronts.
main grove
Itâs just medic had crutches
Supports were always carrying their gun by their hip
Honestly itâs so fucking jarring when you see a support who is using a carbine
Because you see the model holding a tiny gun close to their face
Which is the opposite of what youâre used to
wet fossil
But it's a carbine and that's really not much to worry about.
Still like using them though.
main grove
Supports are like the last class to benefit from carbines
wet fossil
Even the revolver carbine that one's really not great.
stoic breach
semi-carbines for recon is actually such a good idea
main grove
In fact they DID say they WANTED to give scout carbines
wet fossil
They should've gone to Scouts...
main grove
But there was one problem
stoic breach
the pieper was definitely interesting
main grove
K bullet gadget
main grove
Medic and scout both had gadgets that if they were not using the right weapon class for
It would bug out
stoic breach
its why having the AT Rifles in BFV be recon gadgets wouldnt actually be that bad
wet fossil
Yeah just pull out a standard issue rifle and fire from that
main grove
If you played the BF1 campaign they actually have something like that
stoic breach
Yeah