battlefield-legacy-titles

[dense bone]

no shit

i dont get peoples trains of thought in this server with "if theres better the lesser is just bad"

"9/10 is shit if theres a 10/10"

[brave garnet]

War Thunder has been going for like 8 years now and right now there's 86,721 people online

[strong island]

Yeah thats what im sating

[brave coral]

a lot of people have that mentality it seems, in multiple different areas of discussion

[solid hinge]

BF4 has 7169 players on PC according to BF4DB which isnt bad for a 6-7 year old game

[strong island]

Full servers are good in my book.

[dense bone]

^

[brave coral]

@brave garnet but it’s free to play and offers a certain experience which is basically exclusive to war thunder

[dense bone]

dont bring logic into this chat dr

thats a sin

[brave coral]

bfv (and battlefield in general) is just another shooter realistically

[solid hinge]

BF4 is prob at 20k on all consoles combined idk

[dense bone]

cool?

[solid hinge]

6-7 year old game from the same series

[dense bone]

bfv is a meh bf title, we all already know that

[tulip tendon]

You see a bunch of ads on war thunder so that helps too

[icy sluice]

What? You haven't played World of Warships yet? Why the hell not!?

[dense bone]

i dont get why people are so hell bent to try to bring down bfv

[solid hinge]

BFV isnt just meh, its gawd awful

[dense bone]

you bought it so are you just making fun of yourself?

[icy sluice]

MW19 kinda just ruined the COD Franchise for me

[tulip tendon]

Good

[solid hinge]

MW19 definitely revived the series but I can see why some people dont like it

Tons of people returning after BO2 it's nice to see

[sacred vale]

It's funny how people are forgetting that BF3, BF4 and BF1 also had massive issues. But I guess outrage culture is cool nowadays.

[dense bone]

^

[balmy willow]

i think they fixed the issues

atleast most of them right?

[dense bone]

its ironic that bf4 was probably the most troubled game of them all, literally unplayable for 6 months

possibly the lowest low of bf titles

but it also has the highest high

[solid hinge]

I thought BF1 was mostly a stable launch outside of the lack of content

[balmy willow]

then they continued to fix it

[sacred vale]

i think they fixed the issues
@balmy willow I can only tell you about BF4, most were fixed, but not all.

[strong island]

@dense bone exactly. It has a lot of problems. But why people dont want it to succeed is beyond me. If you like the series, dont talk shit because it will drive people away and lose money for the franchise

[dense bone]

imo bfv has just constantly been 5/10

give or take 1 point at certain times

[solid hinge]

BFV is proof that Dice cant be trusted to fix their own games 🤣

BF4 was a miracle

[strong island]

BF4 was because Dice listened to the community

[solid hinge]

If we had the same shit devs, this franchise would've been dead in 2014

[strong island]

They didnt listen after all the problems

In BFV

[dense bone]

dice listened to community in bfv and imo its worse for it

[strong island]

How?

They fixed the ttk

[dense bone]

its still closer to 5.2

and ttk wasnt a "problem" it was just different and asked more from players

[solid hinge]

BF4 is what happens when developers actually respond to community feedback and develop a CTE

[dense bone]

but being a casual title people dont want that

[strong island]

But better than it was when they oofed it

[solid hinge]

it asked more from the game as well

[sacred vale]

Idk, I enjoyed BF V more than BF3 and BF4. I still don't get the constant hate it gets.

[solid hinge]

the medic spam was ridiculous

[dense bone]

a lot of buffs the community ask for are just dumb

[strong island]

Yeah

[solid hinge]

If you've been ppaying at least since Chapter 4 you would see why

[dense bone]

people balance weapons based on weapons even though its a class shooter

[strong island]

Idk actually. If a majority of the community is asking for something, its usually something good

[balmy willow]

dice needs to listen to the community but only to a certain extent

[solid hinge]

The gameplay isnt necessarily bad but good lord what the hell was with the constant delays

[dense bone]

@balmy willow this

but they listened too much in bfv

[solid hinge]

This game was a continuous fuck up, one step forward, two steps back

[dense bone]

which i ironic because the common is they didnt listen at all

[strong island]

I got game when it release with xbox because I didnt want to pay extra for game

[solid hinge]

People got sick of the bs

[strong island]

And it was good at launch in terms of gameplay

Then lack of content

And lost promises

[solid hinge]

I wonder how many times Dice kept fucking up an update or delayed it the whole lifespan of BFV

[strong island]

Caused me to stray away until CH5 with Pacific

A lot lol

[solid hinge]

Something's wrong when Al SoonDoneTM takes a whole 3 months to release because of a bug

[idle breach]

it's more important to being able to filter the feedback.

and than feedback itself, actually being able to have some direction is far more impoartant

[strong island]

I like how they made the discord picture the Libya map. The one literally nobody wants. I mean cool a new map i guess but we want Naval battles and Eastern front or Normandy

[tulip tendon]

Everyone forgets the chinese and poland

[dense bone]

"ww2 like youve never seen"

[idle breach]

it's not some crowd-funded indie game with extremely small playerbase. Literally focus on listening the community would just fail.

[strong island]

They got that right lol

[dense bone]

well yea, they told you it wasnt a standard ww2 game

multiple times multiple ways

[strong island]

Naval battles?

Thats not something never seen

[shy badger]

Ww2 like no one has ever seen before

[idle breach]

all they needed to do was put some sugarcoat on their messages and make the community "feels" like they're being listened and dice failed on that

[shy badger]

Truer words were never said

[dense bone]

but hey, dice also said fg42 was a close quarter weapon in 5.2 but people used it at range and complained

[strong island]

Could do a not as well known naval battle and Easter front

[solid hinge]

The only large map at launch was Hamada until Panzerstorm came out and less I'm forgetting something

[dense bone]

so i dont expect much from this community

[solid hinge]

What a Battlefield game

[coarse thunder]

@tulip tendon China would be impossible to do but Poland could be possible

[idle breach]

but nyphon

community being stupid, of course but

[strong island]

And could do D-Day but instead of Omaha, do another section of the battle. There were 4 different sections

[idle breach]

it's not like gaming community being stupid for first time

[icy sluice]

Pointe Du Hoc isn't done much

[dense bone]

wont be the last either

[idle breach]

yeah

[strong island]

Yeah using China would cause the game to be banned in China

[idle breach]

we gotta admit dice is kinda terrible at handling the community also

[strong island]

So China wouldn’t make sense

[solid hinge]

FG-42 taking 13 bullets to kill someone was too much

[dense bone]

at range

[strong island]

Yeah fr

No

[tulip tendon]

With a 20 mag

[dense bone]

yes that was its max btk

[solid hinge]

13 bullets at range is still too much

[idle breach]

no

[dense bone]

thing was a laser and shot stupid fast

[icy sluice]

Also, Russian Community got angry for I think tiggr saying "Russia wasn't always exactly "'Allied'"

[strong island]

It might be a close range weapon but it should still do more damage than any smg at range

[idle breach]

you shouldn't approach the btk that simple

[dense bone]

i used it in 5.2 multiple times and kept my same stats

[solid hinge]

Could've just added more recoil

[coarse thunder]

@icy sluice Lmao when was that that's good

[icy sluice]

Remember that hashtag "ApologizeToUSSR"?

[coarse thunder]

No

[fossil zodiac]

Battlefront 2 now is dead

[idle breach]

what the fuck is that

lol

[dense bone]

fg42 was a laser compared to smgs though

[solid hinge]

I've seen faster TTKs in Planetside 2

[strong island]

I mean half of smgs were better than Fg-42 at range

[dense bone]

BTK

[fossil zodiac]

Battlefront and Battlefield stop supporting and now what?

[icy sluice]

tiggr, when he was in DICE, said something about Operation Barbarossa and people either misunderstood him or something else

[idle breach]

and everybody knows USSR was allied but not fall into western allies

[solid hinge]

Sturmgewehr took 6 shots to kill up close what a joke of an update

[dense bone]

honestly the gun was fine, but why not play medic when you can use an smg that is roughly the same and have infinite heals

[shy badger]

@fossil zodiac we wait for the next games

[tulip tendon]

Lol battlefront 2 just got cancelled

[icy sluice]

USSR in a code way, wouldn't properly fit as "Allied" was the point he was trying to make due to Russia going against Poland or something

[covert cypress]

Apparently people really dont agree that a headshot should be one shot to kill....

[idle breach]

the "allied" nations had several internal groups/factions just bundled up

[fossil zodiac]

why bf2 why

[dense bone]

@covert cypress depends on the game

[idle breach]

yeah

[icy sluice]

Depending on what gun... not all headshots should be one hit kill

[strong island]

Wait Battlefornt got cancelled what?

[covert cypress]

😬

[strong island]

I thought it was doing good

[fossil zodiac]

battlefront 2 is end today

[idle breach]

yeah

[fossil zodiac]

tomorrow the last content update

[dense bone]

lol another "this is the end" situation

[idle breach]

in games like bfv, or any bf games not every headshot shouldnt be 1hk

[strong island]

I dont play it but whats that mean? Oh

[tulip tendon]

lol that was your announcement for this week

[icy sluice]

Imagine how devastating the Type 2a would be if it One hit Headshotted

[idle breach]

it's not red orchestra

[coral fiber]

I asked my friend what they could do for bf6
He said this
"Back to pencil sharpening, forget the drawing board"

[fossil zodiac]

https://www.reddit.com/r/StarWarsBattlefront/comments/g9qa0x/end_of_future_content_megathread/

[dense bone]

@coral fiber your friend sounds like hes trying too hard to be cool

[coral fiber]

Lol

[solid hinge]

@coral fiber maybe they should look back at BF3 and BF4

[coarse thunder]

All bolt actions should be a one shot hs but nothing else has to be

[fossil zodiac]

Battlefield V and Battlefront Rest in peace

[idle breach]

majority of people FUCKING HATE barrage-based shooting game

[coarse thunder]

And maybe revolvers at a certain range too

[solid hinge]

Sucks if those games didnt appeal to everyone but fuck them anyways

[dense bone]

@coarse thunder some revolvers are

[tulip tendon]

@solid hinge the good parts only unless you want a shitty launch

[icy sluice]

Again, imagine how OP the Tommy, Suomi, Type 100 and 2a would be if they all one shot

[solid hinge]

Those had the most loyal players outside of BF1

[coral fiber]

I mean yeah look at the quote
That's what he's referring

[covert cypress]

@coarse thunder exactly

[icy sluice]

It all depends on what gun

[covert cypress]

Old school shooters felt more realistic than todays BF lol

[strong island]

Gunplay and destruction from BFV, atmosphere from BF1, anti- cheat and team balancer from whatever BF has good that

[icy sluice]

Punkbuster

[coarse thunder]

Errrr

[strong island]

Maps like BF4

[dense bone]

Old school shooters felt more realistic than todays BF lol
@covert cypress thats some random nonsense of a comment

[tulip tendon]

@covert cypress name a few

[icy sluice]

BF1942, the Type 5 could one-shot headshot iirc

[idle breach]

DOOM

[icy sluice]

DooM didn't have headshots lmao

[dense bone]

yea is he basing "realistic" of having 1 shot headshot mechanics?

[icy sluice]

It's all a matter of balance

[shy badger]

Thats a big factor to him for sure

[idle breach]

quake?

[dense bone]

seems like it, im interested in this list

[tulip tendon]

so you want siege headshots

[idle breach]

remember quake? super realistic game

[covert cypress]

Bolt action - 1 shot kill. Why? More powerful, longer reload and smaller clip.

full auto weapons = more rounds to take down your target, more recoil obviously (think ppsh) SO it was still fair and balanced.

you had to actually be good with aiming and quick to acquire your target to reap benefits of bolt action rifles.

[dense bone]

i have no idea your stance on what you just said

[covert cypress]

Now it doesnt matter. Ever single sniper for instance is 2 hits rofl

[coarse thunder]

2 hit bodyshot

[dense bone]

you WANT 1 shot bolts?

[idle breach]

eh?

[dense bone]

(i mean there are AT rifles that are 1 shot body shot)

[shy badger]

Oh

We have someone who wants a 1btk bolties

[dense bone]

🤮

[solid hinge]

Man I cant wait for BF6 get me out of these historic wars pls

[shy badger]

There's always one every so often

[dense bone]

because "realistic"?

[covert cypress]

Clearly none of you played games in 2004

This was the norm

[shy badger]

Clearly

[idle breach]

lol

[dense bone]

even though converting bullets and their lethality to a numerical value in the first place is a joke

[tulip tendon]

so what setting you want? Another modern?

[icy sluice]

looks at Halo 2

[idle breach]

yeah, honestly in 2004 I was playing WoW

[solid hinge]

Hopefully they at least go for modern

Less limitations

[icy sluice]

2004 had a lot of good games actually.

[covert cypress]

Moh aa, pa, cod:uo weapons felt more varied than todays BFV

[shy badger]

Gta sa

Doom 3(?)

[idle breach]

that's just literally nostalgiac shit

[covert cypress]

I dont want another modern i wanted a proper damn WWII but whatever

[shy badger]

Uhm cod 2 I think

[dense bone]

you wanted 1942 remastered?

[shy badger]

Half life 2

[covert cypress]

Rainbow Six 3.

[solid hinge]

WW2 is done now

[brave coral]

he won’t see this since i think he blocked me earlier but he tends to do this - he’ll say something and if you disagree you’re objectively wrong and probably toxic

[icy sluice]

KOTOR, Battlefield Vietnam, CS:S, MGS3, Halo 2, Half Life: 2.

all 2004

[tulip tendon]

Modern is over done

[dense bone]

imo ww2 has been done, such an overused setting in general

[covert cypress]

@tulip tendon agreed

[idle breach]

oh god not again, "my idea on realistic is only realistic"

[icy sluice]

Everything has been overdone :v

[shy badger]

Yea 2004 was a god tear

[solid hinge]

After BFV I dont want to see them do a WW game until maybe 2025 or so

[icy sluice]

We've had like 2 decades of gaming, everything has been done

[shy badger]

Good year*

[brave coral]

modern can be done more because there’s much more possibilities

[covert cypress]

@dense bone what.... There wasnt a good WWII shooter since literally 2004 lol

[shy badger]

Whats kotor though

[icy sluice]

Knights of the Old Republic

[covert cypress]

(WAW and COD dont count.)

[tulip tendon]

@solid hinge and you think the setting was the problem with v? Lol

[brave coral]

stuff like ww2 you’re a lot more limited

[shy badger]

Never heard of it tbh

[icy sluice]

🔨

[idle breach]

knights of the old republic

[solid hinge]

Setting was definitely an issue with BFV

[idle breach]

KOTOR had the best waifu

[shy badger]

Nooo :C

[brave coral]

@shy badger smh my head. you don’t know knights of the old republic?

[solid hinge]

The maps were barebones garbage

[covert cypress]

@solid hinge indeed

[coarse thunder]

Either alt history or modern would be the way to go

[dense bone]

@covert cypress ill just accept that as true because i really dont care to fact check this, but wouldnt that be an indication that people in general got tired of making ww2?

[shy badger]

Soz

[icy sluice]

It was nice to finally get the Night Raids in WWII

[covert cypress]

@dense bone it was done a lot back then... then they got tired of modern

[brave coral]

@dense bone ngl i wouldn’t bother. he blocked me and called me toxic earlier because i disagreed with him

[icy sluice]

Actually, what was the last game, other than BFV to have the Narvik Night Raids?

[covert cypress]

The logical place would be futuristic next

But

I dont care for that

[dense bone]

theres no logical place

[icy sluice]

Futuristic can be done well for Battlefield

Just no jetpacks or laser guns

[brave coral]

he knows what he wants and if you say anything else you’re wrong

[coarse thunder]

Imma head out if its modern or future

[icy sluice]

2142 was a good game

[solid hinge]

Futuristic would probably be the best scenario for BF

You know how much things they could do freely?

[covert cypress]

@coarse thunder probably same only because there are so many other games that are modern. Perhaps Insurgency Sandstorm

[brave coral]

@icy sluice agreed. futuristic could be cool as long as it doesn’t go super sci fi

[icy sluice]

People are just afraid because CoD's futuristic titles had all of the future running and shit

Jetpacks, wall-running, etc.

[solid hinge]

The map design and gun roster could be good asf with Futuristic

[covert cypress]

@icy sluice so lame

[brave coral]

just have new guns and stuff

[shy badger]

Yea honestly they should try a futuristic title

[solid hinge]

BF4 was set in 2020 and the verticality in that game was insane

[icy sluice]

Yeah, maybe as a special pick-up or something, but not something EVERYONE should have

[brave coral]

i guess kinda follow on from bf4s final dlc with the hovertanks and stuff

[shy badger]

You can even see hos they were trying creep more into the sci fi gadgets and guns in bf4

[icy sluice]

That's what everyone hated in COD, everyone can do the runny shooty in small, 3 lane confined maps

[shy badger]

But couldn't

[icy sluice]

the Futuristic stuff in BF4 was from 2142 btw

[shy badger]

Ik

The titan

[brave coral]

i liked how swbf2 did jetpacks compared to swbf1

[covert cypress]

Didnt really like the whole floating tank nonsense

But BF4 was fun

[icy sluice]

Floating tank is fine, depends on how it handles

[brave coral]

wasn’t it just a meme bc it handled like ass

[icy sluice]

They fly now?

I think I just coughed up blood after typing that

[brave coral]

the ‘hovertanks’ from swbf2 handle reasonably well from what i remember

[crystal blaze]

Wow dice is also stopping on swbf2

[brave coral]

the AAT and republic hover tank

[main grove]

Yeah shows that they are taking a second to hopefully get their crap together for BF6 launch

[brave coral]

i’ve used the republic tank like once lmao despite it being a vehicle i really like from SW

[main grove]

I remember the SWBF2 vehicles feeling like ass

[brave coral]

bc i’ve barely played it since they added it

[main grove]

There's like loads of vertical aim movement but hardly any horizonal

[idle breach]

i remember battlefront 2 the before one

was really fun

murdering rebel scums

[main grove]

Battlefront 2 is a distant memory for me (original one)

I can't quite tell if I liked it or not

[brave coral]

i’ve played the original for like 2 hours at a friend’s house a few years ago

from what i remember it was good fun but we were just messing about bc i didn’t really play video games at the time

or i did, but not on console

ds gang

[idle breach]

i relaly enjoed

[strong island]

Wait why are they ending BAttlefront 2 support?

[idle breach]

I playing as Rey's gandpa

[strong island]

Do the have a new title coming

[idle breach]

no

[gray saffron]

Bf2 support is ending too yeah

[strong island]

Why r they ending support

[idle breach]

as I said EA is going through emergency protocol lol

[brave coral]

@strong island bc it’s been 2 and a half years since launch and it’s kinda getting to a close

[next herald]

Probably just to slow financial drain

[idle breach]

multiple games ended further content, not just bfv

[strong island]

Also does anyone know when the BF5 updates will be in June? Like a early-mid June

[next herald]

I doubt SWBF2 is getting more popular

[strong island]

Like exact date?

[next herald]

So mind as well slow it down

[gray saffron]

Kinda sad they didn't add jyn erso with scariff. Would mayve have considered getting it

[brave coral]

@idle breach i think it had been slowing down for a few months and probably Disney has pulled out since they’ve got what they wanted from the boost they gave it

[strong island]

Oh scarify was just added?

[gray saffron]

Gets added as last content drop

[strong island]

Oh thats cool

[next herald]

That’ll be cool

[rotund beacon]

Shoulda done it earlier

[brave coral]

scarif is basically pacific storm lmao

[next herald]

I mean what else would they add

[brave coral]

aesthetically at least

[white lotus]

Battlefront II could've still had some more content if DICE would take some stuff from Legends like Stormtrooper Skins, which we got none of

[heady lava]

Hi

Bye

[tulip tendon]

Thats dice for ya

[icy sluice]

inb4 next battlefield is toy soldiers

[main grove]

Battlefield heroes 2

[deep forge]

Is battlefront 2 having a final update too?

[solid hinge]

That game gets surprise updates randomly

[deep forge]

yeah but I saw videos where people are saying it might be the last update

and I just got it smh

[solid hinge]

Probably click bait as bfv just started it's final updates

I don't think there has been an announcement

I played bfv since Nov 2018 and idr if they had dog tags

[coarse thunder]

Toy soldiers in frostbite would look hella cool ngl

[solid hinge]

Maby star wars bf2 is having no more updates

The discord server says its complete

[coarse thunder]

Like they're just toys but you play from a child's perspective so everything is all fucked up despite being on the kitchen floor

Fuck I'm more hyped over a toy soldier game than any modern or future game that currently does/will exist

[deep forge]

Bf2 had a way more better ending than bfv

how long do you think it’s gonna be alive for?

prob a long time

[solid hinge]

Yeah

Battlefront 2 was kinda fun

Battlefront

[deep forge]

battlefront

it’s gonna alive for a long time...right?

[solid hinge]

BF2 had a problem with micro transactions though

At the start

No more tho

Yeah

I cri every time yoda dies when I’m using him

[deep forge]

it’s fixed

[solid hinge]

Battlefront made a great recovery tho

[main grove]

It probably got a massive cash injection from EA after the 2017 controversy

[deep forge]

No

I’ve only played bfv

[solid hinge]

That's why you don't play pc

[deep forge]

and a bit of 1 & 4

[solid hinge]

And I don't think they using aimbot

I think you are mad they got better aim

[glacial pagoda]

F

[solid hinge]

BFV is annoying because I just get shot instantly with no warning where the enemy is

[deep forge]

I’m the enemy

[solid hinge]

Bush wookies

Wait so is the idea of the next Battlefield game being Vietnam gone or what

No one knows

Amd I hope not

They better make bad company 3 next

[deep forge]

BATTLEFIELD V 2

[solid hinge]

NO

Not bad company

Why not bad company

So if not bad company then what else

Another modern game no

The people that made bad company pretty much left now

[deep forge]

Battlefront 2 updates

[solid hinge]

We have BF4 for modern

Bf4 is old

A cool idea for next BF is probably late Cold War

Maybe add some Afghanistan maps

And some European maps

Lmao

That actually wouldn’t be too bad

Better than BFV

Just make it modern

So just desert maps basically

Well BF4 was a different time line

Idk about the next one

If it’s this time line it’s just going to be Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria and Iran

And some other warcrimes

Make the next battlefield follow on from the end of Battlefield 4

Maybe

A more modern and futurist battlefield

What events would happen though

They obviously aren’t going to invade China again

No

Yeah

They should copy and paste bfv gunplay

If the next BF game even comes out at that time

The next BF game is definitely going to be delayed to maybe a year

I never realised how bad battlefield v was untill I went back today

It’s safe to say 2021

I been playing bf4 alot

So i decided to go back

Big mistake

It's not fun when tanks camp on hill, sniper are Bush wookies and Mmg corner campers

BF4 is fun

I don't get that on ps4

Pc is quite toxic

Firestorm needs a 50 v 50 mode

No

I miss conquest on shanghai and then jumping off the tower before it collapses.

Yes.

That too

Eh firestorm was kinda weird but fun when it came out

Yeah if they made firestorm free it wouldn’t be as dead

Firestorm feels horrible

Especially when you go down

Clunky ass last stand

[coarse thunder]

We're all in this together

[solid hinge]

Free and try to remarket it

Definitely

They gave up on battlefield V now anyway

Better then instant death

Wouldn’t be as dead

Yeah

maby the next battlefield criterion get full access to the battleroyal and sell it separately like warzone

BF4 is still pretty popular but there’s only conquest servers and tdm

[dapper bronze]

I wish BF5 had some behemoths

[solid hinge]

What

[dapper bronze]

Or something similar

[solid hinge]

Oh

Dang judst thought how cool a Halo br would be.

[dapper bronze]

Did u know they considered adding an AA truck

Imagine how much better the game would be if they had

Nah the 4 machinegun one

[solid hinge]

If they used the juggernaut type things in BFV it wouldn’t work out honestly it just doesn’t work in BFVs gameplay

[dapper bronze]

Smaller tan .50

[solid hinge]

Yeah nearly every map has train tracks

Does the Sherman even have a .50 BMG on it in BFV?

[dapper bronze]

Think so

[solid hinge]

Yes

Yes ofc

Psacific

Imagine having the M2 browning as a carriable gun

That would be too op

But it would be realistic because gunners did have them back then

[dense bone]

in game those are basically just skins

[deep forge]

The only army that had women in there didn’t make it to the game

[dense bone]

its the maps and weapons that factions brought in that truly matter to a game

[deep forge]

Let’s go play swbf2

[dense bone]

ehh i could care less about atmosphere personally

i play games for game mechanics

[deep forge]

No

Idk

Is it the last update?

[muted pier]

yes

[deep forge]

FUCK

[muted pier]

lol did people expect DICE to continue working on battlefront 2

[deep forge]

scarif has a bad rep with last updates in battlefront

[muted pier]

I mean they literally said it’s the last update

they’re just leaving the game completely broken balance wise and calling it a day

[deep forge]

it’s gonna be alive for a long time tho

[muted pier]

yeah I sort of doubt it

with no server browser

abandoned game modes

[deep forge]

I mean it’s a fun game tho

[muted pier]

I can see people playing CS for a while but all in all it’s not gonna survive much longer

not to me anymore personally

yeah it sucks

battlefront 2 doesn’t even have a server browser

[dense bone]

bf titles have hardly been balanced

[muted pier]

or server renting

[dense bone]

they are casual games at the core

[muted pier]

lmao the fact that they’re casual games is irrelevant

poor balance is poor balance

[covert cypress]

why the hell do youpeople keep talking about battlefront in here

[deep forge]

I just got bf2

[muted pier]

even private games aren’t a thing

[dense bone]

the fact its casual means balance isnt a priority

[deep forge]

swbf2

[muted pier]

even though they were promsed

it’s unbalanced af

[dense bone]

1 person can randomly get into a powerful vehicle

[muted pier]

anyone who’s spent a decent amount of time will tell you that

[dense bone]

bf is not about earning or being competitive

[muted pier]

why are you defending poor balancing

lmao

[dense bone]

its a sandbox where just about anything can happen

im not defending that the balancing is bad

[covert cypress]

9000 rounds to kill someone

🙂

[muted pier]

you can one shot heroes with some vehicles

you clearly are saying it’s not that big of a deal

[dense bone]

its just a title that doesnt have to chase balance because of the type of game it is

[muted pier]

even though it is

and it should be

[dense bone]

well its not, its not competitive

[muted pier]

it’s not supposed to be competitive level balanced

just decently

you clearly don’t play the game

[dense bone]

ehhh not really a thing with 64 people and vehicles and a community that wants practicality over anything else

i clearly dont play the game? ooook xD

[muted pier]

lol what

arguing that balance isn’t important

how

[dense bone]

to balance tanks i suggested having 2 people operate a tank 1 to shoot 1 to drive

[muted pier]

in what world

[dense bone]

i got shit on for that suggestion

because people want to 1 man a tank and wreck just because

[muted pier]

vader wipes the floor with all heroes, vehicles can one shot heroes, most star cards aren’t even used because they suck

and you’re saying it’s fine lmao ok

[dense bone]

wait youre talking battlefront in #battlefield-legacy-titles chat?

[solid hinge]

Madness

[muted pier]

yes we were talking about battlefront

[next herald]

How similar the fires of purity and sin are

[dense bone]

no i have not played battlefront

[solid hinge]

I'd argue battlefront is pretty balanced the last I played

[muted pier]

I’d argue the opposite

[solid hinge]

Heroes arnt that hard to take down

[dense bone]

even so, bf2 is a casual game too, if not more casual than bfv so i really dont see a huge reason to expect/ask for balance

[muted pier]

as if that’s the only balancing point

[deep forge]

you have to be good to play as a hero

[muted pier]

it’s way more casual hahaha

[dapper oyster]

How to win at that jungle map which I dont know the name of:

1. get a boat
2. flank to A if you are Japanese or E if american
3. go to B if you are Japanese or D if american
4. get your first place almost any time
   (note: only works mid and end game)

[deep forge]

don’t run into vehicles

[muted pier]

battlefront 2 is way, way more casual than battlefield

[solid hinge]

Yes

[muted pier]

and hero balance doesn’t just end with vehicles

some heroes are straight up trash, others are OP

DICE is incompetent af when it comes to balancing, for either games

[next herald]

Destiny 2...

[solid hinge]

You understand they are all good when used correctly

[next herald]

Except there’s a very strong meta

[muted pier]

no they are not, some are objectively better than others

[solid hinge]

Not every hero has the same play style

[next herald]

It’s like saying all operators are good when used correctly in rainbow six siege

[muted pier]

vader has an unblockable combo that can take down more than half of your health

it’s not about diverse playstyles, some heroes are objectively better

[next herald]

If every hero was played at their highest level, some heroes would be objectively better than others

[muted pier]

no

[next herald]

When players are of the same “skill”

[muted pier]

do you know what objectively means

[solid hinge]

The hero's are easy to kill so they arnt too op

[next herald]

Opposite of subjective which is opinion

[solid hinge]

Takes a few people to kill them

[muted pier]

you can easily score kills with vader and beat more experienced players with him

[next herald]

So based on fact and observation

When did I say that was wrong?

[solid hinge]

Heroes are pretty hard to get to

[muted pier]

sorry, I must have misread

[solid hinge]

You havee to do good as a stormtroopers or whatever to be able to play as A hero

[muted pier]

you really don’t, battlepoints are earned really fast

some officer loadouts allow you to play as a hero in a matter of minutes

in the end it just boils down to whoever can spam the deploy button the fastest

[covert cypress]

imagine if BFV wasnt a serious case of ADHD and made game modes and simply, you know, kept them. let the players who play them decide... instead of these timed game mode events. wtf.

[deep forge]

how long do you think swbf2 is gonna be alive for

A long time imo

[solid hinge]

Zyea

Yeah

It's a star wars game so all the nerdy players would stick around till the next game if there iis one

[gray saffron]

if bfv made all those modes availalbe they'd still be dead. just try making a community server with rush or frontlines and watch how many people will join

[glacial geyser]

I'm pretty decent at Battlefield 4 and Bad Company 2, but I absolutely suck at 5. The TTK is way too high, shooting doesn't feel good for me

[slender drift]

Battlefield 4 on PC is on sale for only $2.99!

[solid hinge]

Cheap af

swbf2 is balanced worse than bfv

[slender drift]

Sale ends on May 14th, so if you're gonna get it, GET IT NOW!

[merry horizon]

Cheap

[covert cypress]

@glacial geyser YES. thank you. finally someone else who agrees

but i dont suck at it

haha

it just feels like weak ass guns

[solid hinge]

What

BfV guns feel good

[covert cypress]

[solid hinge]

some but most

[muted pier]

swbf2’s balance is seriously leagues behind bf v

which says a lot

[balmy willow]

is the next bf game coming out around october 2021?

[strong island]

Prolly

[viscid bramble]

Hopefully

[strong island]

I really think that with all the backlash, they might continue support on BFV. Of course not a lot, but still a little

[full mist]

i have a problem on btf 4 whee i don't have nothing writed in the menu

there is a way to fix it?

[solid hinge]

Reload bf4

[full mist]

i downloaded again

but nothing changed

[solid hinge]

I think it might be Internet connection

[full mist]

it work fin the wi fi

[solid hinge]

Have you tried repairing the game?

[full mist]

yes

[solid hinge]

Reinstalled origins?

[full mist]

i try

[solid hinge]

Last time it happened to me it was Internet connection on ps4

I just restarted my WiFi and it worked fine

You could try that if origins thing don't work

[full mist]

doesn't work

[radiant seal]

First time you open bf4 it normally takes longer. Are you using an SSD?

[full mist]

yes

[radiant seal]

Internal or external?

[full mist]

what do you mean

[radiant seal]

Are you running bf4 off a passport?

[full mist]

no

i'm in pc

[radiant seal]

Hmm idk then

[full mist]

😦

[covert cypress]

We were talkin about this on another BF Discord.. someone brought up 32v32.
I miss 24v24 and 32v32 BF3 days
64x64 just becomes too predictable. every game feels... exactly the same as the last lol. clusterfuck, or steamrolling one way or the other
one of the best games i ever played was on BF1 Amiens 12v12. We would take the whole map, then they would take it, back and forth fighting really hard trying to outplay and outsmart eachother. There was still constant action and the fighting was harder because no one wanted to die due to the consequences meaning something more. The teamwork was on point on both sides. It came down to good strategy and working together. Not spawning in and going lone wolf like a chicken with its head cut off.

I feel if people do not understand this then they clearly are not smart enough to play games with less people. They need to be constantly stimulated by pointing and shooting at something instead of actually using their brain for a second to outplay someone other than who shoots first wins or something. More people doesnt mean more intense for me it just means more idiots and less teamwork happening.

[radiant seal]

[dense bone]

tl:dr

[solid hinge]

Sorry im not gonna read that

Way too long

And uninteresting

[covert cypress]

idc

[solid hinge]

k

[ripe pumice]

what should bf6 be

[solid hinge]

words

[ripe pumice]

we all know

[solid hinge]

Things

[covert cypress]

proving my point though. zero attention span

[radiant seal]

Bf6: text adventure

[dense bone]

i read the beginning of the 2nd paragraph and just sounded like "if you dont agree with me its because youre a smooth brain and im too advanced for you"

[solid hinge]

Mickey mouse vs Stalin

[radiant seal]

Mickey mouse vs dice

[covert cypress]

if you choose to look at it like that. thats on you

[dense bone]

how did you mean to say it?

[solid hinge]

@radiant seal Didn’t you know?

[dense bone]

thats what matters

[solid hinge]

Mickey Mouse already won

[radiant seal]

[covert cypress]

i meant it how i said it. people can disagree with me though. thats fine. everyone has different play styles. mine is clearly different than most

[radiant seal]

[dense bone]

that is 100% not how what you wrote reads

"I feel if people do not understand this then they clearly are not smart enough to play games with less people. "

[covert cypress]

but its why i can go into a town on conquest and take out 8 people before they even see me

so im good with it

[acoustic ether]

Off topic: Battlefrint developers announced that they will stop releasing content updates after April update or sth like that

[solid hinge]

@radiant seal yes i agree

[covert cypress]

why do people keep talking about battlefront here

[strong parrot]

fucking trash game only gets updates for 3 years

[solid hinge]

they dont

Your being dumb

[covert cypress]

all day battlefront

scroll up

do a search

[acoustic ether]

Which probably means that the whole studio is now focusing on bf 6

[strong parrot]

can i get a refund on the $8 i spent on it?

[solid hinge]

No its too boring

[covert cypress]

lol

[dense bone]

@covert cypress "than who shoots first wins or something. "

but you want lower ttk?

[solid hinge]

@acoustic ether they already announced that son

[radiant seal]

Battlefront 3 and Battlefield 6? lol

[covert cypress]

@dense bone ??

[solid hinge]

No they are focusing on bf6 now

Read westies tweet

[dense bone]

you just complain that people just want to shoot first and win but then actively complain that bfv ttk is too long

[acoustic ether]

They announced it a few hours ago

[dense bone]

which lower ttk is "shoot first to win"

[covert cypress]

doesnt mean one shot one kill though

[dense bone]

where was 1 shotting brought up?

[covert cypress]

...

[acoustic ether]

Fans want everything from the next battlefield + devs have their vision + rushed development = bf v

[covert cypress]

well

they hopefully wont rush bf6

lesson learned?

maybe?

[solid hinge]

Hopefully they will

Bfv was fun at launch

[covert cypress]

i fee like you just say the opposite of most people because it makes you feel special

[acoustic ether]

They won't tbh, but still they have rons of expectations to live up to

[radiant seal]

Also games arent 64v64.They’re 32v32

[solid hinge]

no

@radiant seal Its Mickey mouses plan

[dense bone]

@covert cypress considering im just quoting what you are saying and asking what you mean because there are obvious contradictions....

[radiant seal]

No he is right 💯

[dense bone]

dont see how that is just "saying opposite"

[solid hinge]

Why does the game have to end

[covert cypress]

no there are differences to what are saying and its not as simple as that

[solid hinge]

It doesnt

money

[dense bone]

what statements have i actually made too?

[solid hinge]

Stop it ayla

Its not money but love

[radiant seal]

[covert cypress]

@solid hinge because its become COD

need a reset

[dense bone]

what does cod have to do with bfv ending?

[covert cypress]

im sorry you dont see how BF series has tried to draw in more COD style player and play styles?

$$$

it may have backfired.

[dense bone]

and people say i have an ego problem

[covert cypress]

they do?

lol

[solid hinge]

I wanted to drive a T-34

[dense bone]

oh yea youre new around here arent you

[solid hinge]

Tactical is not wrong

Lmao

[acoustic ether]

I like how moderator just summed it all up in one thing: money

[covert cypress]

@solid hinge 👀

[dense bone]

is that really something that needs to be summed up?

[acoustic ether]

Apparently

[dense bone]

sadly

[acoustic ether]

Well, it all comes down to money at one point

[dense bone]

exactly

even though game industry is actually fairly generous with their offerings

[hybrid dragon]

Of course it's a business not a charity

[solid hinge]

Nacho do you like nachos?

[dense bone]

people shit on bfv even though you got 1.5 years worth of content for the price of base game

[hybrid dragon]

no

[solid hinge]

Pringles??

[dense bone]

60 bucks for bf1 got you base game and that it

[warped pebble]

i think battlefield 6 will have a pve mode

[radiant seal]

[hybrid dragon]

Ehh pringles are alright

[solid hinge]

Whats your favorite chips?

[hybrid dragon]

Not really a fan of crisps

[dense bone]

theres also a ton of f2p games out now too

[warped pebble]

a lot of people from bf2 are working on battlefield now

[acoustic ether]

Do moderators of this server work for EA or sth .?

[hybrid dragon]

Nope

[solid hinge]

no

[radiant seal]

I havent had pringles in so long

[dense bone]

@warped pebble id pref if they just make pvp honestly

[solid hinge]

Pringles are the best

[acoustic ether]

K

[warped pebble]

it'll be pvp

[dense bone]

but i havent touched bf singleplayer since bf3, and i dont think i finished bf3

[hybrid dragon]

Also it still surprises me that games are still only 60 bucks

[dense bone]

they should be 80

[hybrid dragon]

Yeah

[dense bone]

but people rage when they stop getting free things after 1.5 years

cant imagine if they increased base price

[warped pebble]

i'm just saying that battlefield has more chances than ever on an offline pve conquest mode now

[hybrid dragon]

Would make sense with the inflation and how much more a game costs nowadays

[dense bone]

ps2 games cost 50 bucks in early 2000

just inflation for 50 bucks from then to now is 70 bucks

[rose dock]

omg I cant play bf3 whenever I join a server on battlelog it kicks me out of the game

[radiant seal]

But companys dont have to make disc anymore and distribute them to stores. Most games are digital downloads.

[acoustic ether]

Few people would buy a game at launch that costs 80 $

[dense bone]

@radiant seal you think that alone offsets the natural rise in inflation and dev cost?

yea physical being less popular helps, but i would imagine thats a miniscule factor

considering you can buy blank blu rays for cheap...

[hybrid dragon]

Few people would buy a game at launch that costs 80 $
Maybe people are gonna be angry about it but at some point it's gonna happen anyway

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[radiant seal]

@dense bone by the time you take out payments for shipping, boxes and disc. You’d be surprised.

[dense bone]

sure id be surprised, but still highly doubt that is as big as a contributor compared to game dev cost and inflation

[acoustic ether]

Right now most mp games try to earn extra moneh through microtransactions

[solid hinge]

pay has barely gone up

[hybrid dragon]

Did you know game stores only make a few bucks on every copy sold

They mostly make money with merchandise

[dense bone]

@solid hinge you talking minimum wage?

thats under the assumption that they kept the same number of devs on pay role

ive oddly read/watched a bunch of things on the cost of developing and basically the conclusion is: sell a ton of copies to offset the costs, otherwise youre probably going out of business

[radiant seal]

@hybrid dragon that is why used games are so huge for gamestop. They keep 100 percent of the profits if the game is used.

[echo turtle]

Which is why they encourage their employees to sell more used games than new games

[hybrid dragon]

I just get everything digital nowadays

[dense bone]

i only do that for pc (obviously) and switch

only time ill get a game digital is when its on such a sale that it will likely never be that price physical unless its used

and i dont buy used

[hybrid dragon]

Well 9/10 times it's cheaper online then in a physical store

[solid hinge]

I killed this guy a couple times in bf4 and now he finds the way I play as "disgusting"

[hybrid dragon]

Even with physical copies

[dense bone]

@solid hinge how do you play?

[solid hinge]

I don't have a play style

I just do what I want when I want

[dense bone]

that is disgusting

[hybrid dragon]

Camping in the base with a sniper rifle targeting doritos from 2000m

[radiant seal]

[hybrid dragon]

I don't really why people get salty about how people play

[solid hinge]

I met someone camping in spawn

I tried killing them but my sniping skill in bf4 is fucking aweful

hello

[hybrid dragon]

That person propably has the best time of his life

[radiant seal]

Hi

[solid hinge]

Yes

[dense bone]

its my logical side that questions why people play the way they do

[tight rain]

Howdy

[solid hinge]

do you play battlefield 1

He got 6 free kills

[dense bone]

its a game, youre death means nothing, just go out there and try to kill shit and have fun

[radiant seal]

I do

[solid hinge]

in ps4

[tight rain]

Who?

[radiant seal]

No. Pc

[dapper bronze]

Um

Wait nvm

I was wondering how to level up a rank 3 ju88c

Which has no weapons except a 20mm

But you can just not upgrade it

[radiant seal]

Battlefield isnt a game. It’s serious shit.

[tight rain]

Serious

[shy badger]

Bf is life

[radiant seal]

[shy badger]

[west drum]

hey

[tight rain]

Howdy

[west drum]

does anyone still play bf1942

[solid hinge]

Don't think so

[radiant seal]

Probably

[west drum]

i do

i was just checking

[icy sluice]

You can probably find a server or two

[dense bone]

i assume 1942 was also on console

[radiant seal]

1943 was on xbox

[shy badger]

1942 wasnt

[dense bone]

dayum

[solid hinge]

Wasn't 1943 the first console battlefield

[shy badger]

Nah

It was bf2 mc

Afaik

[solid hinge]

Obviously

It is

[radiant seal]

Siege of Shanghai

[solid hinge]

Operation locker

[dense bone]

hamada

[radiant seal]

Lol

[solid hinge]

Nivelle

[dense bone]

its hamda

[boreal sail]

Hi

[radiant seal]

What did I win?

[boreal sail]

[radiant seal]

Hi

[dense bone]

hamada

[radiant seal]

Nuketown

[solid hinge]

Operation locker

Operation underground

[shy badger]

I've got a good one too

Its pretty easy

[solid hinge]

It obviously pacific storm

[shy badger]

You base jump in one of the sectors in rusg

[boreal sail]

Are you talking about maps? i like the good old Battle of Britain map, totally realistic

[solid hinge]

What battle of Britain map

[boreal sail]

BF1942 Battle of Britain

[solid hinge]

Never played that one

[boreal sail]

[winter raven]

Darude –

[boreal sail]

Strike at Karkand?

[radiant seal]

[boreal sail]

I preferred Basra tho

Oman was awesome too

[solid hinge]

Narvik

[radiant seal]

Wake island

[solid hinge]

No

Itss fjell

[boreal sail]

Zatar?

[radiant seal]

I hate Narvik.

[boreal sail]

ye, Zatar is no island

[hot drum]

i like fjell

[radiant seal]

Or I hate it on conquest. Breakthrough is fun.

[solid hinge]

what if wake island wasnt the only odd shaped island

[hot drum]

fjell is fun on both breakthrough and conquest'

especially on conquest

just dont go middle of the capture area and u wont be bombed

[boreal sail]

Cleansweep has a weird island but you dont spawn on boats

[fossil heron]

Caspian border

I miss rolling around as Wall-E

Zappin mfs

[hot quarry]

Eastern update?

[boreal sail]

I havent played BF3 + BF4 much

[fossil heron]

No @hot quarry

[radiant seal]

Nope

[hot quarry]

😡😡😡😡

[solid hinge]

Western update instead

[hot drum]

like the maps on bf 3 and 4 are too big

[solid hinge]

Cowboys are coming

[fossil heron]

You should change your name to something more subtle like mine tho

@hot drum wrong

Iwo jima is bigger than all the maps In bf4

[hot quarry]

I will when we get the eastern update

[solid hinge]

Bf3 and 4 maps were a perfect size

[hot quarry]

Eastern front*

[tight rain]

I admire your hope

[radiant seal]

3 and 4 had some of the best maps

[fossil heron]

Yeah

V has some good maps too

But most are crap

[hot drum]

@fossil heron you spend like 3-5 minutes running around looking for enemy and when u find u get instantly killed in bf 3 and 4

[hot quarry]

All the island maps are good

Cause your trash

[radiant seal]

Battlefield 1 had some great ones

[fossil heron]

@hot drum thats just you dog

[hot quarry]

And obviously don’t know how to take cover

[fossil heron]

Or you cant tell where the action is

[radiant seal]

I still hate that suppression screen. Lol

[brave coral]

not really

got the powerade filter

[radiant seal]

Haha

[solid hinge]

Bf3 had a very rough style to the graphics which I like

That's the best way I can describe it

[radiant seal]

True. It was easily one of the best looking shooters for awhile

[solid hinge]

Still looks good today

[radiant seal]

Tru

[icy sluice]

I just realized that I never checked to see if the game says you're spectating

[fossil heron]

No

[gray saffron]

#streams-and-videos @blissful mesa

[brave coral]

bruh how the fuck was that team so shit

‘oh there’s an enemy shooting at this tank who would be a free kill? nah’

[solid hinge]

RIP BV5

[brave coral]

like i genuinely don’t know how people can be so blind

i was lying on the floor and watched three people all run past both my limp dead body and the guy who was stood up with no cover

[gray saffron]

sounds like an ordinary day in battlefield v

[novel blaze]

whatt

[merry crescent]

I have an immersurable dissapointment right now from this game

[fossil heron]

Everyone take a drink

[merry crescent]

bought it, supported it, and they cancelled within a year

[novel blaze]

i dont remember the last time i encountered blind enemies

[solid hinge]

Can i just say that i was looking forward driving the T-34 in bf5😢

[gray saffron]

yeah it's depressive, rachel, but you'll get over it

[fossil heron]

I was looking forward to destroying your T-34

[gray saffron]

i was looking forward to proning in the snow with my mosin 😦

[solid hinge]

@fossil heron u wont

[fossil heron]

I'll still destroy your tank tho

[solid hinge]

Is dice gonna be cut by EA? Cause they stopped supporting battlefront 2 now too

[fossil heron]

Nah

BFV still made money

[main oracle]

Battlefront 2 has been going for almost 3 years

[fossil heron]

Battlefront 2 still did too

[solid hinge]

Dam

[main oracle]

Battlefront 2 did a lot better than this game

[solid hinge]

I bought deluxe edition preorder for bfv

Rip me

[gray saffron]

atleast bf2 got its chance to redeem itself

[solid hinge]

@fossil heron no u wont

[brave coral]

oh no, you bought a game a year and a half ago and now they’ve announced the end of its cycle

[gray saffron]

i was tempted to get bf2 solely cause i heard there are bots running with the name carver :<

[brave coral]

oh shit

nom carver

[gray saffron]

that guy yes!

[brave coral]

absolute G

lmao

[icy sluice]

So, I ended up being a spectator in a friend's squad... so what happens if a Spectator ends up in best squad

[gray saffron]

anyway. bfv had a ton of good content, it's just sad that it ends with such fizzle that doesn't really redeem itself to the community as bf2 did. now people will just dump bfv on the shit pile for unfair reasons 😦

uhh

camera walking up the screen in best squad screen? 😄

[brave coral]

completely agree @gray saffron

but then, swbf2 was only really able to redeem itself bc disney basically told ea to let the team keep it running so they could use it as advertising for TROS

which feels like the reason why they’re dropping it now

[gray saffron]

uhu

true

disney helped a bit

bfv didnt really have any big backer behind it that wanted it alive

[boreal sail]

BFV was heavily rushed

[solid hinge]

yeah

i realy want the t-34

a buitleful tankt

[boreal sail]

In some way it was too complex compared to BF1

[solid hinge]

yeah

i returned to bf1

a realy amazing game

[boreal sail]

In BF1 all factions shared the same tanks and planes

[solid hinge]

hmhmhm

i like that in bf5 its all thEr own faction (accept the guns ofcours)

Think I have a hacker in the server

[boreal sail]

In BFV i dont know why we had 2 spitfires, 2 stukas and so on

[solid hinge]

I've been in the round for 5 mins and he's invisible

hmhm

one stuka is fine

Then I saw him very far away form where he killed me and used a mtar

just more abbilty's

[glacial geyser]

Bf 5 is a hard game I tell you, Bf 4 is a lot easier

Totally different, that's true

[fossil heron]

@boreal sail more loadout variation and to drag out the grinding process

[icy sluice]

Apparently Lunge Mine duels are a thing

[fossil heron]

And they're dope

[gray glade]

who wins if two players lunge eachother

[icy sluice]

Whoever did it later

[gray glade]

like the bayonette duels?

[icy sluice]

I had a lunge mine duel and failed, if I had won I would've gotten a quintuple kill

[dapper bronze]

Tbf I do feel like Bf5 is more polished in some ways than bf1/5

Obviously better gunplay

[fossil heron]

Damn

[dapper bronze]

Also better Hud

And equipment layout

And better menu

[fossil heron]

Bf4 had better loadouts

Way more variation

[dapper bronze]

Not variation aesthetics

[smoky quiver]

hi all

[fossil heron]

Wut?

[dapper bronze]

Hai

[fossil heron]

Bf4 had more options for loadouts

[smoky quiver]

any have ping issue or its just me