if you dont have sweetspot
#battlefield-legacy-titles
median basin
wet fossil
Which is the coward's way. A real man knows how to kill without spraying and praying.
sick hamlet
So...why are bolt actions the only ones punished for equipping a scope?
prime pine
Grease gun works
median basin
cuz a 2btk at 80rof is fuckin trash tier
meager spoke
Thanks
sick hamlet
And why would you ever take Machined Bolt if you use a scope?
sick hamlet
Functionally, a BAR with a scope falls in the range of like 30-35 RPM.
median basin
no matter what you did, you already picked the idiot trap
why pick a bolt action rifle when the Jungle Carbine exists?
better scope, no downside for having a scope, you get self heal
wet fossil
Because the OHK headshot falls off after about seventy, eighty metres.
solid hinge
Imagine if they just shut down BFV servers 😂
median basin
meanwhile bolt action rifle, well at least they have velocity now, but a 1-shot headshot past 100m?
SLRs are way more consistent at that range anyway cuz you arent good enough for headshots at that range (consistently, that is)
sick hamlet
Only real advantage the BARs have over that is headshot range and muzzle velocity, which isn’t much
quaint palm
BF3 servers are still up, they aren't gonna shut down shit
jovial forge
Only plus side to the jungle carbine is infinite healing capabilities
bronze rose
anyone here play bf1 on ps4
fossil heron
Jungle carbine imo should of been in the recon class
median basin
any reason to pick the bolt action rifle is fucked by the fact that the 2-2 SLRs exist and invalidate that
quaint palm
There's still microtransactions
fossil heron
Its too good for the tanky medics
wet fossil
Okay this whole time I thought you were talking about the BAR LMG
sick hamlet
Jungle Carbine has a much faster effective rate of fire. Over twice as fast.
median basin
big brain take
wet fossil
And I was very confused.
median basin
everyone should have better regen
and we remove the healing from medic
stop trying to fix medic by fucking up its guns
fossil heron
Remove self heals from medics
median basin
and fix the actual issue which is disparity between classes healing
remove health attrition and get regen closer to CoD levels
sick hamlet
All the bolt actions should have been Recon and the Medic should have had more functional SMGs.
wet fossil
Medpack healing is the problem here.
median basin
bam, no more medic issue
fossil heron
They can heal others unless they have the crate
median basin
no, remove the crate too
wet fossil
A guy can get hit and immediately recover with zero delay.
median basin
remove those healing things
quaint palm
If you're asking for COD gameplay go play COD
median basin
give it nade launchers and maybe the syringe
no, not asking for cod gameplay
just cod regen
jovial forge
Either medic has good guns with limited healing or subpar with excellent healing
Can't have both
median basin
because Bf regen is boring
wet fossil
Which nerfs bolt actions...
tidal latch
RIP BFV
fossil heron
I like running around nervous as hell with 10 health tho
median basin
fuck that shit
wet fossil
You land a good hit and they've regrown their limb within five seconds.
median basin
thats fine for 5 seconds
jovial forge
Don't need a return of BF1 Assault medics
fossil heron
Getting those last couple kills before dying is satisfying
jovial forge
BF4 I mean
median basin
how about not dying at all?
sick hamlet
BF4 has a fairly long regen period
median basin
fucking immersion bullshit
quaint palm
If the TTK was a bit slower having low health wouldn't be as bad
wet fossil
BF1 was, once again, better balanced at this.
median basin
oh way better
wet fossil
Perfect TTK, perfect effective ranges
median basin
medic self heal was still too strong
median basin
but it wasnt as outlandish because health attrition wasnt a thing
sick hamlet
And that was simple enough to fix with a cool down for Medics
median basin
yeah there are a handful of weapons that might be a tad too good
wet fossil
Goddamn Hellreigel shitters...
fossil heron
Idc about immersion but i like the healing aspect besides the medic class being too viable
median basin
but they arent unbeatable
hellriegel is not that great anyway
SMG08 invalidates it for the most part
uneven hollow
Just make it hardcore
median basin
and the hellriegel defensive is a complete idiot trap
uneven hollow
jovial forge
Bf3 was the shiz for me personally. I liked having smgs and shotguns as an all kit weapon category for lolz
median basin
hardcore man
sick hamlet
Eh, I feel like the Hellriegel was held back by being an Assault weapon.
wet fossil
SMG08 has ridiculous recoil though.
fossil heron
Hardcore was easy tho
median basin
where the ultimate plebs go so they dont contaminate the normal game lmao
quaint palm
Hardcore is trash lol
sick hamlet
I feel like they could have given the Hellriegel a unique niche as a Support weapon.
median basin
in their bubble of "im too good for normalcore" lmao
wet fossil
The Hellreigel with its heavy water cooled barrel has miniscule recoil.
median basin
nah, still shit tier vs the MP-18
fossil heron
My connection is too good for normal core
median basin
unless you reaaaaally want those 60 rounds
sick hamlet
Or 120.
wet fossil
I honest to god use the RSC SMG
median basin
120 has shit tier recoil though
deep forge
Should I get bf1
wet fossil
You know, with nine bullets.
median basin
RSC smg needed better reload
deep forge
on Xbox one s bye
jovial forge
RSC smg was trash
bronze rose
for what console
deep forge
Btw*
median basin
so close to a skill cannon but lacks the sustain to do anything with it
quaint palm
That RSC SMG was fun
wet fossil
Fucking thing's a skill cannon.
median basin
had it had a faster reload it could have been decent
jovial forge
That thing should of been a Scout gun
median basin
skill cannon implies some benefit from using it
fossil heron
BF1 goes on sale for 10 bucks pretty often
sick hamlet
RSC SMG was fun and packed just enough punch to be kinda useable at medium range on semi
wet fossil
You never see anyone use it, so you know that when you kill somebody with it they'll bloody well notice.
fossil heron
BF4 is free with EA access tho. You can play it for a month for 5 bucks
deep forge
yeah but I want the premium version so I can get all the dlc’s
quaint palm
Don't get EA access to play a $10 game
deep forge
on Xbox
wet fossil
There's a certain value to be had in using weapons that aren't traditionally effective.
quaint palm
BF4 and 1 both go on sale with all DLC very often
fossil heron
I believe ea access comes with all dlc
quaint palm
Get them on sale
sick hamlet
It’s a self-imposes challenge and a fun one
fossil heron
@quaint palm true too
wet fossil
Like the BF1 iteration of the 1906, which is a 3btk on a 5 round mag.
bronze rose
bf1 is great
median basin
RSC SMG was fine 1v1 wise, but unlike the AL8.35 it took forever to reload
that killed its potential
crystal vortex
Dam i just saw the news, its pretty disappointing
bronze rose
the sliding is off but eh
jovial forge
If there is another BF title. Hopefully they don't go back to BF Hardline and BF1s limited secondary side arm selection
fossil heron
But they were both on sale last month so it might be a minute
jovial forge
That shit was dumb
sick hamlet
I like to use faction specific weapons where possible just because it forces you to become familiar with the weapon and change your tactics.
median basin
BfH maps, vehicles and guns though plz
not the weapon balance tho
8btk at 12m lmao
fossil heron
Hardline was pretty much hardcore always on
median basin
nah, not even close
quaint palm
Hardline gun balance was literally the worst in the franchise
deep forge
There’s only tdm matches in hardline & there mad sweats to
median basin
probably
median basin
which is a shame cuz hardline had so many things fuckin right
barren solstice
The way they talked about the game and live service makes me feel betrayed
median basin
no jets, the biggest brain thing they ever did
jovial forge
Fuck faction forced weapons. It was only good in BF3 when you just start up the game
median basin
jets are dead end design
jovial forge
Hardline botched it hard
fossil heron
Was it the m16 that was op
deep forge
FACTION FORCED WEAPONS IS GENIUS
gray saffron
i love the new playlist.
quaint palm
The Vector (K10) straight up broke the game for the entire launch window
median basin
BFH balance was done by a monkey
gray saffron
why isn't this playlist permanent D;
sick hamlet
Eh, I’ve seen a few games do faction forced weapons well.
median basin
what a fucking cliff of damage
quaint palm
on 1100 RPM
jovial forge
At first it was til you had to get 2250 kills just to use it on the opposing side
median basin
1200rpm
wet fossil
If the jets aren't Ace Combat it isn't worth it.
prime pine
Sure you know. Give the police the k10 submachine gun with a 1150 RPm versus the p90 k assymetric balance totally fine
jovial forge
That shit was hella dumb
median basin
which the 30hz servers didnt give proper recoil for
sick hamlet
Forgotten Hope did it and that was a fantastic mod.
uneven hollow
Tbh faction forced weapons is nice if done right of course
median basin
not that it mattered cuz they didnt give it any recoil anyway
wet fossil
Ace Combat flight controls are perfection for controllers.
median basin
faction weeapons are dumb shit
for dumb shit immersion players
do that in your own time, let normal players pick what they want
except vehicles
those should be map locked
uneven hollow
No
median basin
looking at you Bf1
wet fossil
Going to Strangereal will make those worries about correct national weapons disappear...
uneven hollow
Also vehicles
jovial forge
Bf3 had the best faction specific weapon ad it was a soft force
gray saffron
i just try to use faction correct guns on my factions :3
prime pine
But no. Immersion is more important than a functional game
quaint palm
You can get Battlefield flight controls to Ace Combat with the right setting. Not the same responsiveness though
wet fossil
Because everybody has everything.
median basin
immursion
fossil heron
Faction based weapons are ok of they're literally reskins
coarse thunder
Akkracy time
thorn wolf
muh immersion
uneven hollow
Germans should have the Sherman and zero
quaint palm
I like feeling like faction matters. Makes the rounds feel more distinct
jovial forge
No they don't
fossil heron
The point was that faction locked weapons are broken
median basin
just give me cool guns
nocturne jackal
it's been good with you guys
jovial forge
Hardline has shown how horrible it is overall
deep forge
your gonna have to buy a new console to get bf6
wet fossil
Ace Combat: where an SU-33, a Mirage 2000, a bunch of F-18s, and a honest to god Mig-21 can be in a single squadron.
nocturne jackal
this is the end
coarse thunder
The problem with faction weapons is that they tend to be completely different and sometimes jarring in balance
median basin
Hardline without faction locking, unfucked weapon balance
sick hamlet
It’s entirely down to a matter of execution.
median basin
man that would have been the best game the franchise had ever seen
by a fucking mile
gray saffron
guise, play the rush + frontlines playlist and tell me it's not amazing D:
bronze rose
getting back into battlefield 1 hard
median basin
"hey lets reduce chest damage by 50%" said some fuckin monkey
coarse thunder
So you have one side that gets the blatantly inferior standard weapon and they immediately try to ditch it to pick up another weapon from the enemy team
prime pine
Its really fun jer
gray saffron
😄
wet fossil
I've been pretty effective with the Sten lately...
jovial forge
Weapon licenses that require 2250 kills just to use the weapon of choice on the other faction as the last unlock.
Dumb choice
coarse thunder
Only if it's an assault with a dmr though
prime pine
You can still kill a medic consistently in bf5
median basin
sten is pretty trash tier
uneven hollow
Im convince that we have 125 health
quaint palm
Obviously it depends on execution, but faction mattering is fun
wet fossil
That thing has like zero recoil.
median basin
no medic gun past 20m is useful
prime pine
Its 1250 kills
median basin
just grab an SAR instead, or an AR, both are better
prime pine
For weapon license
wet fossil
What do you take me for, a coward?
median basin
used to be 6btk up to 39m
quaint palm
MP34 is good at any range prove me wrong
gray saffron
i really hated te sten, until 5.2 and 6.2. now it's fren
jovial forge
Oh that's right. Shit was was still dumb as hell
quaint palm
I pop that sucker in single fire and kill snipers
median basin
6btk at 20m invalidates the MP34 already
sick hamlet
MP34 needs that RoF buff to become standard like what they did with the M1907’s magazine
coarse thunder
Like the first problem I can see with mandatory faction weaponry is japan vs us, right off the bat Arisaka vs Garand
median basin
why are we discussing BfV balance anyway?
gray glade
sten is one of those games i never choose, but if im in a tank or pick one up or something and use it, i rek ppl lol
deep forge
why is there so much African Americans in bf3 lmao
median basin
they fucked it up andnow the game is getting discontinued starting summer
coarse thunder
@deep forge who cares
jovial forge
1903 Springfield not in a ww2 game
wet fossil
What the hell possessed them to combine the Assault and Medic anyway
deep forge
I’m asking mf
crisp nymph
I literally can’t play online in BF3
sick hamlet
Take a look at Forgotten Hope. They solved Arisaka vs. M1 Garand bis accuracy and drop-off.
fallow cypress
Looks like BF5 is dead
deep forge
Remember when the pacific came out
median basin
asymmetrical weapon balance always causes issues
vehicle balance has shown that in previous titles
quaint palm
I don't expect Battlefield to ever do a red orchestra level of team asymmetry, it still has to appeal to mainstream
regal sapphire
I can't believe BF5 is dead
median basin
fuck asymmetry man
sick hamlet
Asymmetrical vehicle balance, I can get behind.
median basin
stop trying to justify that shit on a game that isnt a milsim
hard fiber
how can i change color of headshot kill?
jovial forge
^
median basin
asymmetrical vehicle balance at best with vehicle shape
everything else needs to be fucking the same
gray glade
@hard fiber its in the settings
wraith sage
bf5= dead
hard fiber
ty sir khorney
fallow cypress
Man BF5 had so much potential but all lost
jovial forge
Bfv had potential but idiots got political while rushing the game and it inevitably flopped
spark path
@gray glade loser
surreal obsidian
fuck dice
mystic tangle
there is no tech to update battlefield 5 I guess
gray glade
wow ok
cursive condor
hacker also destroy bf5
solid hinge
oi'
jovial forge
Least we know someone's daughter has the capacity to shitcan a game cus they ask questions
fallow cypress
Time to uninstall lol I’m going back to bf4
jovial forge
Bad pr is never good
mystic tangle
yes they were
mystic tangle
exactly
coarse thunder
We'll never see the end of this wahmen bullshit
jovial forge
Bad pr plus bad game choices stack up
solid hinge
women screaming on the battlefield was breaking the immersion
median basin
because they forgot about BfV cuz it didnt have a marketing team
quaint palm
literally a brainlet if you think ongoing issues with content delivery + game bugginess were because of duh ess jay double-yous
solid hinge
you have no idea how many people from other countries play this game and made comment about hearing this scream
median basin
attrition, "no random bullet deviation" to shut the xfactor/doom49 idiots up
reeee other countries that hate women
dont care
solid hinge
lots of muslim people play this game
sick hamlet
Still have never really noticed if the character model I’m shooting at is female or not
solid hinge
instead a good business practice would be to cater to the gamers to make more money
median basin
stop turning Bf into a milsim just because you lack milsim games on console
fallow cypress
Look at this community it’s so wonderful lol so nice
median basin
lol but this fucks the rest of the people up
cant cater to everyone
or youll cater to no one, which is what BfV did
milsim is absolute dead end stupid shit
jovial forge
Cater to the ones that actually play the damngame
median basin
dont need to cater to milsimmers
theyll make something up in their fantasy world anyway
median locust
Man, remember when we thought we were getting the Soviets, or even the Italians?
jovial forge
^
median basin
people lost their shit in Bf1 too
gray saffron
the issue was at support. with random ttk changes, lack of quick fixes etc. women and bad pr hardly mattered cause everyone forgot about ti when pacific launched. and tons of peoples till bought ilse, hanna or were excited for misaki
fallow cypress
Bf5 isn’t a milsim but at the same time it shouldn’t be too close to call of duty
median basin
its just that milsim boomers werent the only players left at that point
quaint palm
people still had the exact same tantrums about women in BF1
jovial forge
Bf1 females weren't a shitshownlike bfv
solid hinge
using women with tattoos, shaved heads, dyed hair colors, headbands, prosthetics on the battlefield is something that it not going to make the game successful
median basin
fucking jetpacks in Bf2 can attest to that
warped rivet
WHere is my T-34 😦
sick hamlet
Hell, people threw tantrums about black character models in BF1
median basin
exactly
solid hinge
because of the lack of character customization
median basin
and because the game actually had qualities that got other people to play
gray saffron
no mosin
jovial forge
Ello ol friend
median basin
nobody tended to care
gray saffron
no operation market garden :<
rich moon
Fuck you dice you assholes
solid hinge
but bfv brought it, but it was too unrealistic
median basin
character customization isnt shit because of that
gray saffron
i wanted to look for more dutch maps :<<<
median basin
its cuz you remove recognizability from enemy classes
solid hinge
even the stanlhelms for germans aren't the real stanlhelms
rich moon
Knock this POS game on the head already
bronze rose
just won our first match of operation
median basin
and with the removal of spotting "hurr durr esp" you get shit tier inconsistent gameplay
bronze rose
on battlefiel 1
median basin
"wonder what gun he has"
quaint palm
yeah BFV really suffered from no class silhouettes
mystic tangle
The lack of an option to disable woman character was the problem
gray saffron
jerurassic park?
quaint palm
miss that about BF1
fallow cypress
Remember when battlefield was good
median basin
removal of spotting was a nother brainmelt choice
touts teamwork as being important
jovial forge
Bfv could of gotten away with it had they not put so much damn attention on it and slyly snuck female models in later down the line
sick hamlet
Come to think of it, why is voice chat squad only again?
median basin
imagine being butthurt about women still
quaint palm
you sound like a moron when you talk about women in a video game like a conspiracy theory
median basin
fuckin manchild level arguments man
warped rivet
Dice should revert squad size back to 5 for next BF
jovial forge
Again. Bad pr is yet another of the things that fucked bfv over
sick hamlet
At the very least proximity team chat should be standard for Battlefield
median basin
bad PR?
you mean no PR
nobody cared about BfV cuz there was hardly any marketing done
hollow igloo
Bruh the fact that it’s most likely a squad conquest map for the last update is kinda ruff man
median basin
and any news they got was devs being offended
sick hamlet
BFV had like no advertising push
jovial forge
Bfv had none and what pr it got was horrible
mystic tangle
The real problem with BF5 was Dice and EA
quaint palm
the youtube clickbait crew will find a way to make absolutely any game into "SJW propaganda," they should be ignored entirely. including people in this chat rn
median basin
but BfV was bad game design wise
mystic tangle
No shit Sherlock
median basin
no amount of time would have fixed it
mystic tangle
the gunplay at first was good
fallow cypress
Tbh I like the devs that help build the game but whoever told them to rush content or change ttk
median basin
nah, patterns are dumb
mystic tangle
before the TTK came
fallow cypress
That’s the ppl I have a problem with
median basin
spread to recoil was small brain to shut up doom49 dumbasses
mystic tangle
the PR was horrible before the launch
median basin
"I aim where I shoot"
jovial forge
Bf youtubers were another annoying thing about bfv. One second their praising and like a dime, bashing it for their own personal bias
median basin
the game still had spread, but now it fucked up your sight position alongside making you miss due to spread, lmao
bronze rose
hey
median basin
spread to recoil, what a dumb system man
bronze rose
this is now the battlefield 1 chat
median basin
"all recoil = skill"
sick hamlet
Could potentially be that BFV is a result of listening to the community too much, at least as far as game design choices were made.
hollow igloo
I’m wondering what they’ll do with all the unreleased cosmetics
bronze rose
operations is so much fun
solid hinge
you know what's sad? DICE did a ww2 game without d-day
median basin
tbh BfV seems like it took the big reee feedback from Bf1 and based a game around it
hollow igloo
Cuz I’d they just throw it out half of the art teams work is basically gone
bronze rose
i just won a defense match on amiens
solid hinge
and that game guys is BFV
fallow cypress
@hollow igloo 85 it’s all scrapped
solid hinge
you dont get the logic
jovial forge
Bfv probably listened to reddit ree'ing which you should never do
bronze rose
rising storm is vietnam
solid hinge
BFV is about ww2 from all over the world
gray saffron
rising storm 1 was pacific
fallow cypress
No
solid hinge
BF1 delivered all fonts warfare
median basin
and then reddit: "let the community help design the game next time"
hollow igloo
@fallow cypress wait 85 cosmetic sets ?
solid hinge
so we expect the same thing with BF1
median basin
like, yall already fuckin did dipshits
fallow cypress
There is two versions of rising storm
mystic tangle
BF1 delivered all fonts warfare
@solid hinge not all
solid hinge
almost all
fallow cypress
@hollow igloo that 85 was a typo
jovial forge
Dice didn't learn their lesson when loud whiners fucked over Hardline
sick hamlet
Two of the things the community hates, spread and sweetspots, are unambiguously great tools for weapon balance.
solid hinge
french, russia, turks, brits, americans, austro-hungarians, and italians
bronze rose
hey hey
hollow igloo
@fallow cypress ohh
bronze rose
this is the bf1 chat no
solid hinge
and what did BFV deliver?
median basin
yeah, cant have those good tools for my realistic shooter
sage lagoon
where are all these rumors coming from that dice plans to quit bfv after june?
bronze rose
what map is your fave
mystic tangle
Americans and Japanese
median basin
spread doesnt exist irl REEEEE
shy badger
@sage lagoon rumora?
sage lagoon
oh really?
hollow igloo
@sage lagoon check they’re Twitter
sage lagoon
where?
shy badger
Check #game-news
solid hinge
Tell them. They aint rumors bud
jovial forge
Dice threw in the towel
fallow cypress
@sage lagoon pretty much almost all bf5 youtube Lee have made a vid on it
sick hamlet
And then you tell them that spread does functionally exist in real life and is measured in MOA.
bronze rose
what is your favorite map on bf1
solid hinge
just
jovial forge
Battlefield now and forever has a black mark on its belt
gray saffron
ballroom blitz
median basin
11 min so it doesnt look like we streched for 2 ad spots bigbrain
quaint palm
I very much doubt it's DICE's decision at the end of the day
gray saffron
it's sucha good looking map
solid hinge
Just
median basin
EA has always been hands off with DICE
solid hinge
@bronze rose my favorite map would be verdun heights with operations mode
hollow igloo
I mean they’re bringing back Friday night battlefield which is really good
median basin
if they screwed up that bad that they had to step in and say to shut it down
DICE might be fucked for good lol
solid hinge
JUST
hollow igloo
I loved Friday night battlefield
sage stratus
gray glade
what is friday night battlefield?
dapper bronze
Frontlines and rush are such a letdown :(
gray glade
i never checked it out
sick hamlet
Come to think, WTF does barrel bedding even do on semi-autos that have no horizontal recoil to begin with?
dapper bronze
I waited ages to play them and now they're just meh
solid hinge
DICE dont even have the tech to utilize the frostbite engine
weak vessel
this june update better add the fucking soviets
dapper bronze
Breakthrough too good
jovial forge
Over extended and deviated from what had battlefield what it was.
fallow cypress
Frostbite engine is known to be a bitch to work with
fiery pier
at least bfv is being put down
median basin
they finally listened to the idiots that played Bf cuz it was "realistic" lmao
jovial forge
To many experimental things were done in bfv
sick hamlet
Breakthrough/Operations was more or less gonna be the new flagship game mode after BF1. And then Grand Operations happened.
quaint palm
Consider that this is basically an unprecedented time for game dev with everyone working from home and new hardware on the horizon, I wouldn't be surprised if EA stepped in with some priorities
fossil heron
I hope they keep experimenting tho
jovial forge
Firestorm, 5 v 5, Grand ops all flopped
shy badger
@jovial forge thats true
sage stratus
bfv was a flop as a whole
shy badger
A lot of risks were taken
reef widget
Do you think dice are developing a new frostbite version for next gen?
sage stratus
don't kid yourself lmao
weak vessel
you see this is a prime example on why dice stalkholm is a shit studio and needs to leave post launch content to dice LA
light charm
just have regular ops
hollow igloo
@gray glade usually every Friday they release a limited game mode that is usally a tweaked version of it such as conquest but only infantry rifles
shy badger
In terms of how good bfv is its a solid 7 imo
solid hinge
@reef widget DICE do not develop new frostbite versions it's a whole separate people
tulip tendon
quaint palm
@shy badger 7-8 imo but yeah
leaden glen
All I want to ask is can I STILL earn 
to unlock & buy weapons and other items in-game?
shy badger
But for them to pull the plug so early it surely not good financially
gray glade
@hollow igloo ah, alright
quaint palm
@leaden glen yes
solid hinge
DICE LA will be creating new BF title they are even hiring workers rn with familiarity with gun weights and guns in general
fallow cypress
I think the person who calls all the main shots for bf5 is to blame
solid hinge
DICE Stockholm on the other hand will be shut down imo
gray glade
dice stockholm wont be shut down lol
bronze rose
what gun is your favorite in battlefield 1
quaint palm
stips you're talking out your ass
gray saffron
eh, i give 9 or 8. solid map list, good guns, fun vehicle play, good team mechanics, fantastic music.
jovial forge
Oh and CC is fubar'd. Can't get them naturally anymore after a match and you have to wait for level ups to get more is fucking stupid
solid hinge
DICE LA is the only DICE division that can deliver
bronze rose
c'mon guys
leaden glen
@quaint palm Good, so I'm in the same place where I was when I started playing BF1 (I picked up 
in April of last year).
bronze rose
can we just skip bfv now
shy badger
Don't think I'll go that high jer
covert cypress
So is BFV gonna just die after June? Wtf is with these 2 year BF cycles... so disappointed in a series I once loved. Theyre gonna kill it like they did with fucking MOH.
fallow cypress
Like why put 5v5 or battle royal in a battlefield game and you even have to pay for the battle royal
reef widget
I hope BF 2021 will release for ps4 and xb1
bronze rose
@leaden glen want to play?
shy badger
Especially considering how bumpy the ride was
jovial forge
Battlefield never needed a br mode
shy badger
and thats putting it lightly
solid hinge
what if a new BF title is teased this june???
leaden glen
@bronze rose In or 
?
bronze rose
1
solid hinge
Ofc
bronze rose
fuck v atm
jovial forge
Literally no one wanted but a small minority
forest field
is bf1 crossplay?
solid hinge
Xb1
leaden glen
@bronze rose I'm on 
, you?
quaint palm
Firestorm was definitely a mistake
solid hinge
But who knoes knows
timber silo
I just hope that the next title will be above expectations...
But is that going to happen at this current situation?
quaint palm
That fucking giant map wasted on a BR mode
bronze rose
@leaden glen yah
jovial forge
Yup
fallow cypress
Lol and when the ttk happened it effected firestorm Loooool
zealous stone
Firestorm is still my favorite BR with the small amount of time I played it
bronze rose
hey
fallow cypress
So ppl took forever to down
gray saffron
F for Firestorm
jovial forge
5 v 5 maps are essentially in limbo
gray saffron
could have been great
bronze rose
fuck bfv atm
fallow cypress
F
bronze rose
bf1 chat
timber silo
F
shy badger
F
gray saffron
an on its own holding standalone part of battlefield v 😦
proven widget
F for Firestorm
@gray saffron F
bronze rose
let's bring it back
quaint palm
it's not a BF1 chat my man
shy badger
Nah bf1 is crap
mystic tangle
BF4 is better
leaden glen
@bronze rose Unfortunately, I don't have PS+ with me right now, but I do plan on getting it again this summer.
shy badger
Alright it may be unfair to call it crap
covert cypress
So is BFV gonna just die after June? Wtf is with these 2 year BF cycles... so disappointed in a series I once loved. Theyre gonna kill it like they did with fucking MOH.
fallow cypress
Anyone gonna start playing bf4?
shy badger
But the gameply is too niche
proper tapir
going to start playing hell let loose
median basin
make basically hardline 2 plz, thanks k
timber silo
Dice LA is kinda gone
bronze rose
@covert cypress look who it is
mystic tangle
it will have small quality updates after June
fallow cypress
He’ll let loose niceeeee
bronze rose
verdun man
proper tapir
hell let loose and MW
reef widget
@leaden glen Wait till PS Days of Summer, there are discounts for Ps plus
jovial forge
Hardline can be great if they don't fuck weapon selection over
quaint palm
@covert cypress shit's weird right now, I imagine there's a lot of pressure to work on next gen BF and limited manpower to do it with
median basin
DICE LA will just be rebranded
hollow igloo
I wanna play bf4 but I’m so used to the new frostbite engine so evertime I move in bf4 it just feels weird lol
sick hamlet
Which police procedural will Hardline 2 rip-off next?
fallow cypress
Ima play he’ll let loose rising storm 2 and maybe squad
covert cypress
@bronze rose ive been on this discord for years and only now I have to change my name. Rofl
fiery pier
hasnt dice LA already been taken over?
jovial forge
1250 kills just to use the M1911 on the opposing faction is dumb as fuck
sage stratus
median basin
tbf they cant unfuck hardlines balance rn cuz they dont have a weapons designer at DICE Stockholm lmao
mystic tangle
was Hardline better than BF5?
median basin
the guy that did weapon balance left lmao
covert cypress
Rofl
median basin
definitely
covert cypress
So done
median basin
not even a question
jovial forge
Lol he got shitcanned
sick hamlet
They don’t have like 18 different positions filled at DICE SW
leaden glen
@reef widget When does Days of Summer usually start, May? June?
proper tapir
Hell Let Loose 🤯
median basin
yeah Stockholm is hiring big time
jovial forge
Dude should of never listened to beta Hardline players
median basin
cuz everyone left
fiery pier
i never played hardline that much whats wrong with the balance @median basin
proper tapir
with a fraction of development support and money
fiery pier
Based
sick hamlet
Maybe they called it quits because they legit cannot actually work on the game anymore.
covert cypress
Buncha fruits who play BF now anyways. Series has been ruined not only by EA but the playerbase is all run and gun zero tactics bs
fallow cypress
Guys can we just all agree that BF5 is the best game of all time 😄
median basin
lol tactics
proven widget
I wanna play bf4 but I’m so used to the new frostbite engine so evertime I move in bf4 it just feels weird lol
@hollow igloo it's the same Engine since BF4. the only thing that changed is the movement and game mechanics.
dapper bronze
It is a bit
median basin
no, not at all lol
dapper bronze
Transport trucks, plane spotting, medics
covert cypress
...
mystic tangle
not arcade like cod
reef widget
@leaden glen If I remember correctly last year it started the first week of June
median basin
its far more CoD leaning than say, RS2
quaint palm
It's generally been at least a little slower than COD
fiery pier
if you want a tacticool shooter go play fucking R6
dapper bronze
Smokes
mystic tangle
but it is arcade
jovial forge
@fiery pier Hardline's multiplayer weapons were screwed up. 1250 kills just to use a specific weapon on the opposing side as the last unlock and obvious op weapons
sick hamlet
The best thing BF has going for it is being mildly more hardcore than COD while still an arcade shooter
median basin
anyone who says it isnt arcadey is kidding themselves
coarse thunder
It's a larger, better looking cod
twilit moon
there are good changes like the guy mention, but not game changing
median basin
on the spectrum it definitely leans arcade
solid sail
If you want a tactical shooter, go with Squad
covert cypress
BF used to be played a lot more tactically than COD now its just COD
fallow cypress
I dunno about you but when I play with my squad we use tactics and actually PTFO
proven widget
it gives you more possibilities to achieve your goal, your objective than CoD at least.
jovial forge
R6 seige? You mean headshot wall bang simulator?
fallow cypress
There is tactics
twilit moon
Probably a main reason that they cant function with BFV is that Frostbite is outdated and can't handle any more capabilities
covert cypress
@fallow cypress omg finally someone who gets it
median basin
lol no
fiery pier
people literally still are complaining about cod v battlefield in current year
quaint palm
It is definitely not a tactical shooter but the general perception of it and the games themselves have at least leaned towards it being a bit less silly
proper tapir
BF needs to rethink its modes
fallow cypress
There’s always tactics in shooters
median basin
YOU played it more tactically than CoD
fiery pier
you people dont grow up
dense bone
bet most of the people complaining in here suck and will still buy bf6 anyway
dapper bronze
What's the best support lmg
median basin
thats why you were a 1.2kd bottom feeder
dapper bronze
Turner?
proper tapir
keep the classics sure but needs to think outside box with next new big mode
sick hamlet
Didn’t the folks from BioWare say Frostbite is basically a programming nightmare to work with?
fallow cypress
LMAO!!!
median basin
the term "tactics" definitely has an air of "anything other than slow peeking is run and gun"
twilit moon
@sick hamlet kek BF3 BF4
dapper bronze
Wtf
proven widget
Probably a main reason that they cant function with BFV is that Frostbite is outdated and can't handle any more capabilities
@twilit moon I'm thinking the same.
covert cypress
@fiery pier i miss 24p and 32p conquest
fiery pier
2iq
proper tapir
depends on the map size
fiery pier
1iq
median basin
Frostbite seems to struggle with a ton of legacy issues
proper tapir
BF needs to go back to mostly large maps
fiery pier
negative iq
proper tapir
quit squeezing them in
covert cypress
@fiery pier indeed
fallow cypress
I always talk with my squad on where to go and shit
median basin
but hey, I aint an engine designer or whatever, so maybe we can't really draw any conclusions from there other than "they have struggles"
dense bone
when frostbite is one of the few engines that can handle what bf does...
dense bone
thats why there are other bf like games /s
median basin
coordination in battlefield is a joke
sick hamlet
Part of the reason Andromeda flopped is that barely anybody on the team actually knew how to use Frostbite
west valve
Bf5 already has large maps thats not the problem.
proper tapir
yeah BFV still has better squad play than any other FPS
covert cypress
@fallow cypress they only care about k/d
median basin
people just run to the flashing orb and cap it
west valve
It doesnt help that the large maps play like shit.
fallow cypress
@covert cypress haha
proper tapir
ground war is a joke for squad play
main grove
Yeah because frostbite isn’t an ARPG engine
median basin
Bf mode design has turned into "what forces the monkeys to sort of do the same thing"
west valve
Who cares about squad play.
median basin
Frontlines shows this very well
covert cypress
Wow
median basin
as its the best mode in the franchise
proper tapir
it matters if you have friends you play with 😦
quaint palm
Frostbite has been widely considered extremely difficult to use for anything but a first person shooter, but EA forced all in-house studios to use it, hence the dev misery
covert cypress
Everything wrong with BF in one chat
proper tapir
yes
fiery pier
frontlines is just boomer 5cp
proper tapir
bring it!
solid hinge
Squads were best in BF2 where it started
median basin
frontlines is king of the hill but more fun
proper tapir
frontlines had potential
median basin
everyone is always attacking
fiery pier
yeah 5cp
forest field
anyone still plays bf1?
dense bone
when people talk developing and gameplay when they cant do either
median basin
defending is boring, and it fixes that
covert cypress
@forest field yes
solid hinge
Only being able to spawn on the leader enforced squads to stick together
sick hamlet
Eh, I’d say Operations/Breakthrough is superior
median basin
nah, still defending
proper tapir
operations was superior to breakthrough
median basin
defending is boring as shit
fiery pier
frontline should punish attackers more
median basin
lemme attack
proper tapir
breakthrough was broken
fallow cypress
@covert cypress bro I play BF5 like I play a milsim shooter
fiery pier
also defenders
sick hamlet
That’s you.
median basin
frontlines in BfV was pretty fucking garbage tier tho
proper tapir
breakthrough only works with battalions
main grove
Defending is fine if the enemy attacks well
median basin
Bf1 FL was excellent
covert cypress
@fallow cypress dm
sick hamlet
I find close run defenses to be quite exciting
main grove
But your defence is not shit
proper tapir
wtf happened to rush for crying out loud????
west valve
Its overrated. Bf5 tried to make what people thought was squad play more relevant and we all know how this shit turned out to be.
proper tapir
not if you played with people you know
mystic tangle
I bought BF5 60%off wasn't worth it
quaint palm
Vehicle camping is a real problem, pretty hard to deal with
proper tapir
and even playing with randos it was better squad play than previous BFs
west valve
Press e is teamplay
covert cypress
grave edge
I want a refund for BFV I can’t believe DICEs decision
sick hamlet
Monte Grappa breakthrough defense as the Austrians or Kaiserschlacht as the British for example
median basin
what else are you gonna do when your vehicles are slow as shit and control like ass but have a ton of firepower?
solid hinge
BF is losing it's charm idk
zealous stone
I bought BF5 0% off and I got my time out of it, I still really enjoyed it, its just disappointing the lack of content compared to other games
median basin
Bf is 1v63 but you cant shoot 31 of em
proper tapir
BF has an identify crisis, has to rethink its modes and balancing
shy badger
@grave edge how much did you pay?
proper tapir
can't have a million types of all guns and try to make it all balanced
gray saffron
the shit that's there is terribly fun. but the shit that could be there is disappointing. it sucks we know so much of ww2 that we could see all the what ifs with this game :,
grave edge
100 fucking dollars man
dense bone
@zealous stone at least with the lack of content you didnt pay for it
solid hinge
BF is definitely losing it's identity
proper tapir
yeah would have been great to see a real WW2 game on this engine
quaint palm
Idk BF4 had a millions guns and they were very nicely balanced
shy badger
Oh what the hell?
median basin
BfV was too much "welp, out of health/ammo, guess I gotta not shoot people for a while now" and too little "hey I can shoot people, fun"
shy badger
Surely not usd
proper tapir
didn't BF4 have suppression?
median basin
Bf4 suppression was pretty weak
proper tapir
BF3 then?
bronze rose
what about battlefield 1
solid hinge
BF3 had the suppression
median basin
Bf3 had strong suppression yeah
proper tapir
yeah that was amazing
grave edge
I paid $100 for the preorder deluxe, never will I do that again
gray saffron
wuuut attrition is the best thing of bfv
dense bone
lack of free content vs more content that was paid
gray saffron
i love that
quaint palm
BF3 suppression was the strong one
shy badger
oOf
median basin
attrittion is brainmelt for players who dont run into it enough to hate it
shy badger
I feel you then
median basin
seriously every time someone said they liked it they ended up being shit players
west valve
Attrition is garbage
sick hamlet
BF1 suppression was toned down but still just strong enough to have an impact.
proper tapir
need to burn it all down and start over
median basin
yeah no shit you like it, you dont run into it 90% of the time
grave edge
How can you have a ww2 game without Russians or Americans vs Germans 🤨
median basin
Bf1 suppression was only annoying with it affecting where your crosshairs were
made you do the little figure 8
proper tapir
BF1 was more a WW2 game than BFV!
dense bone
how many people are brand new to this server?
sick hamlet
Another game mechanic BF1 more or less nailed
median basin
recoil was a far bigger influence on whether you'd hit or not
gray saffron
saying people are shit cause they like attrition is a shit argument imo.
median basin
honestly, Bf1 totally could have gotten rid of the first shot spread multiplier
and it hardly would have affected balance
proper tapir
attrition was toned down and was hardly noticeable later on, just something you had to think of sometimes
fossil heron
Yeah these are all new peeps
sick hamlet
How did they get it so right in BF1 and so wrong in BFV?
main grove
Attrition’s worst aspect is the gadget cooldown
dense bone
@solid hinge its weird how people only show up when something "big" happens
median basin
"hey, you cant win a gunfight anymore"
quaint palm
I also liked attrition and I'm not a bad player by any stretch
lunar bone
Waste of 70$
gray saffron
who are you, @solid hinge ? never seen you here before 😮
main grove
Being able to get 10 bazooka rockets out in a min
west valve
You got it backwards. People that play lile shit usually like attrition, because they are never impacted by it.
median basin
exactly
gray saffron
you changed your pfp! D: i didn't recognize you 😦
main grove
If you stand near a station
gray saffron
;D
median basin
shit players enjoy attrition cuz its a rare thing for them to run into it
lunar bone
Yo
main grove
Also support does fuck all to alleviate it
dense bone
@lunar bone 70 bucks for 1.2k hours is a waste?
median basin
then I doubt u good
west valve
Yes and they think its good because it gave them the illusion of teamplay.
proper tapir
i liked having to at least think about my ammo
main grove
Since pouches don’t restore gadget ammo
night glade
I actually had to actually pay attention to my ammo
Instead of running around and shooting whenever I felt like it
proper tapir
yeah actually had to conserver shots...
median basin
gotta love not being able to engage people cuz the game tells you to go and run errands
main grove
In the end I think BFV didn’t do awfully
lunar bone
I cried for bug fixes
bronze rose
i love using the mortar truck
zealous stone
fuck off arty truck
shy badger
Only those who couldn't adapt suffered
median basin
having to constantly watch your fucking ammo after a single engagement that doesn't end in min-btk kills man
fucking brainmelt
proper tapir
it was solid at its core but no context, no immersion, no mood
bronze rose
it's so effective against defensive teams
shy badger
I.e not good bfv players
quaint palm
don't fucking get me started on BF1 artillery truck
bronze rose
arrty truck gang
fossil heron
Explosive spam in BF1 killed it for me
prime pine
You guys wanna see my hours guys?
median basin
Bf1 arty truck is hilarious
proper tapir
@median basin how much missing do you do in every engagement???
median basin
cruise around blasting with your LMG
prime pine
You guys REALLY wanna fucking SEE?
main grove
Battlefield 1 was a 10/10 for atmosphere
bronze rose
explosive spam gave the game atmoshphere
fossil heron
Lets see em
main grove
But that was really the main appeal
prime pine
Oh i dont have permissions anymore
fossil heron
Ope
median basin
youd be surprised
gray saffron
oops xd
main grove
Oof
fossil heron
Lmao wow
prime pine
Anyone a regular
gray saffron
rip bodbod
prime pine
Wait
median basin
people tend to not hit all their shots
prime pine
Jer
main grove
Now gotta wait another year
gray saffron
oh no
fossil heron
You just boosted the server too
shy badger
Run jer!
median basin
my accuracy was only ~23% and that was far above average lmao
west valve
Nah bf5 core mechanics were absolute garbage. Thats why dice even 1.5 years after launch the game is still garbage. Compare this to bf4 where its issues were mostly performance, not core gameplay.
shy badger
Frick
zealous stone
for a while I thought that BFV was to BF1 as BF4 was to BF3. BF4 and BFV both had terrible launches, but the amount of support would help the game become loved... well that didnt happen
prime pine
Cause i left
bronze rose
helll no
gray saffron
@prime pine MADE ME POST THIS, PLS DON'T BAN ME. https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/629706945627947049/702953316543365231/Screenshot_2020-04-22-01-22-49-673.jpeg
prime pine
Then i came back to watch the server burn to the ground : )
idle breach
core mechanic?
median basin
imagine thinking a game will be good cuz other games that were bad at launch ended up being good
bronze rose
bf5 mechanics were amazing
median basin
oof
prime pine
1775 FUCKING HOURS
median basin
1775 hours
zealous stone
BFV is mechanically superior but BF1 has more varied combat (horses, naval, etc.)
shy badger
1775 hours of fun eh? :D
zealous stone
5 KD wot
prime pine
Dont blame me blame the fucking higher ups who decided to stop supporting the game
prime pine
Yeah true that. Its just disheartening
fossil heron
@prime pine think you'll get to 500?
idle breach
this server won't die soon right?
gray saffron
WAY IS A SUPPORTER, BURN HIM ON THE STAKE!
idle breach
I love this server more than bfv
gray saffron
;D
shadow iris
Can we fucking trash Frostbite 3 and make a new engine already?
gray saffron
okay, sorry, musti :<
bronze rose
128 player lobbies
median basin
i peaked at 5.08 kd
then I started bein aggressive
instantly punished for that shit lol
proven widget
Can we fucking trash Frostbite 3 and make a new engine already?
@shadow iris nah, make Frostbite 4 instead.
median basin
BfV is such a passive fuckin game unless you have god-aim
dense bone
not really
quaint palm
post your stats juan
zealous stone
no it aint
dense bone
i mean, i have above average aim but im stupid aggressive
median basin
!bfvstats pc OnlyNeedJuan
idle breach
frostbite engine itself got problems but it's not obsolete right?
median basin
does that work?
zealous stone
I love BFV cause nobody expects you to be zipping around like a madman
zealous stone
kill all the campers cause my aim is good
median basin
shadow iris
That's what I meant @proven widget
prime pine
People have got shit aim thats why they need snap aim
median basin
dont htink I can post pics
but yeah, dropped hard in BfV, then I stopped playing regularly and dropped even further lmao
prime pine
"I need the game to handhold me" ah shut the fuck up
proper tapir
yeah i liked the gun balance, made me choose class based on map and objective, as opposed to BF1 where i just ran around with a hellriegel like madman
median basin
Bf1 gun balance was better than BfVs tbh
proper tapir
haha
median basin
if they fixed SARs then BfV would absolutely be better
bronze rose
nope
prime pine
Its general fucking battlefield chat you dont get to decide
zealous stone
BF1 gun balance and sounds were better but BFV's gunplay was imo better
but they're both great in their own way
median basin
people saying "oh how much do you miss per engagement"
quaint palm
Yeah BFV gunplay actually feels really nice imo. You can really wreck people if you get good flanks etc.
zealous stone
I just like that in BFV, its the first fucking battlefield where your reticle actually goes to where each of your bullets are going
solid hinge
Even if everyone here now feels like crying, the next Battlefield is still bought by these people.
Whoever had the feeling to have been fooled by BF5, should consider that with BF6 and possibly boycott it.
median basin
meanwhile average player in the BfV stats channel having <10% accuracy
proper tapir
where did all the EA/DICE peeps go on the right?
median basin
of course you fuckin miss da dimwits
median basin
gunplay is meh
zealous stone
I loved it
median basin
not a fan of recoil patterns that give everyone hardons rn
tight rain
Who need accuracy
median basin
and spread to recoiil is such a dumb wasteful mechanic
zealous stone
its not a recoil pattern?
bronze rose
bf1 gang
proper tapir
i think they took all the EA/DICE devs off this channel
median basin
BfV has hrec, spread converted to recoil and then a recoil pattern that changes direction 5-6 times
fuckin sucks man
quaint palm
vehicle weapons being included in overall accuracy make it difficult to gauge from those stats
mossy jay
i just got 6900 points in BF4 As an commander
median basin
CoD does patterns a lot better, but still not a fan of that game either
quaint palm
commander was fun but impossible to balance
solid hinge
i just got 6900 points in BF4 As an commander
@mossy jay
Nice!
fossil heron
My favorites are the 1% accuracy peeps
median basin
but unfun for literally everyone else
sick hamlet
Commander has been functionally replaced by the Squad Call-Ins
proper tapir
they need an in-game commander
median basin
I thought my Bf4 accuracy was bad, hovering around the 17% iirc
fossil heron
Imagine only hitting 1% of your shots and still having a 400+ spm
proper tapir
still no system to coordinate between squads on larger modes
median basin
then I saw some other players "proudly" sharing their stats, oh fuckin boy
proven widget
frostbite engine itself got problems but it's not obsolete right?
@idle breach it's the same since BF4. which came out in 2013.
proper tapir
even if they just added in something that showed you where other squads had set commands
nothing
free-for-all
bronze rose
they need new engine
proper tapir
BF4 commander was terrible because he wasn't in game, just spamming points
solid hinge
BFV is 1/2 enjoyable
bronze rose
next gen game has to have more players
sick hamlet
Proximity VOIP for team chat would be a nice addition.
solid hinge
Gunplay good, vehicles shit
fossil heron
You can check the map and see where most peeps are headed
bronze rose
128 lobbies baby
fossil heron
Hard enough to balance 64 players
sick hamlet
There’s a handful of BF2 mods that have 128 player servers.
fossil heron
Thats all I want ;_;
sick hamlet
Project Reality and Forgotten Hope 2 both come to mind
Oh, that’s another thing I miss from Battlefield: mods.
hoary condor
solid hinge
They need to experiment on 128 at least
median basin
128 fucking no
proven widget
even if they just added in something that showed you where other squads had set commands
@proper tapir THIS. I waited for this from the beginning of BFV. :D