tbf i think PO was scheduled for release around about now
#battlefield-legacy-titles
brave coral
eager shore
4 isnt enough
5 is a acceptable
Friendly reminder that Battlefield DLC map packs came in 4s.
brave coral
perhaps a week or two ago
solid hinge
Ye but this is bfv
prime pine
Oh unit
solid hinge
12 british maps reminder
coarse thunder
That is not a good excuse
prime pine
Wanna see the result of a carry
prime pine
Sorta of a carry
queen canopy
We literally got the same amount of content for free
solid hinge
We have mtx
queen canopy
I’m not complaining
eager shore
Did your back hurt, Waygyamba? 
prime pine
Dunno
queen canopy
Did you have to pay for any of the four maps we got? Any of the myriad of new weapons we got?
Any of the new vehicles?
prime pine
solid hinge
Also by this time bf1 got like 20 new maps
icy sluice
You know what pissed me off the most about my 4 minute 20 killstreak? @prime pine
We were fucking LOSING STILL
prime pine
Damn
queen canopy
BF1 had longer in development, and was still using a premium system
Which divided the player base
We’d gotten four new maps in each of two expansions by this time
So 8
icy sluice
Yeah, only <10% of the player base actually experienced ALL of BF1
queen canopy
We’ve gotten I believe around 8-9 new maps in BFV for free since launch
brave coral
and also you log on now, how many post-launch maps can you actually find a game on
this is the thing with exclusive paid maps
queen canopy
Oh and let’s not forget firestorm is a thing
icy sluice
After about 250 hours on BF1, I have not played on all maps or modes
brave coral
after a while, you’ve paid for basically nothing since the servers die
queen canopy
Alive or dead, that’s a huge amount of content released for free post launch
prime pine
I dont think so
icy sluice
That's not really a stupid question really
queen canopy
I wouldn’t really know tbh
solid hinge
Wait imma do some research
eager shore
Battlefield 1's horrible map voting system didn't help things either.
coarse thunder
They most likely did but in small numbers
queen canopy
Yeah but then some maps never got played
solid hinge
Aight
queen canopy
And some maps played over and over again
prime pine
Yass. The Aussies.
queen canopy
AUSSIE AUSSIE AUSSIE
eager shore
Very nice carry by the way, Waygyamba. I usually die in planes before I can even fart out a bomb. 
queen canopy
Would Amiens work in BFV?
solid hinge
i wanna see it
prime pine
If i had a voting system i would actually do it for game modes... An interesting thing. For moshpit styled stuff. You could choose either conquest or breakthrough on rotterdam
Thank you unit ahha
queen canopy
I really don’t wanna see the exact same map again
solid hinge
Its a masterpiece of a map in bf1
queen canopy
Lul
brave coral
ehh
prime pine
Amiens and st quentin scar pls
queen canopy
Maybe same general layout but switch it up a decent bit
solid hinge
Amiens remasterd?
queen canopy
And of course give it a face lift to fit WW2
prime pine
Yeah i'd probably make it a bit longer
brave coral
i played a game with mode voting and it was a bit weird
queen canopy
Lmao remastered from the previous installment in the franchise
eager shore
Probably widen the streets to accommodate tanks.
brave coral
admittedly it would have map+mode bundled into one
queen canopy
Jerry don’t know us brits
prime pine
They'd fit but the problem is that the weapon meta is different
brave coral
someone was suggesting a map which has a very similar floor plan to Siege of Shanghai which could be cool to see
queen canopy
If it had a similar layout but maybe an undestroyed look like Rotterdam I’d be down
coarse thunder
Jerry don't know us brits...shit we have to retreat, they already flanked us
brave coral
sort of a ww2 version
coarse thunder
I mean in a way we will get remastered maps. tsaritsyn became stalingrad and I doubt we won't see the map in game
queen canopy
It’s be cool if we got a map where it starts absolutely pristine with no damage whatsoever but has like more thorough destruction so by the end of the game it’s in ruins
Wait
Tsaritsyn = Stalingrad?
coarse thunder
Yeah
queen canopy
Wack
coarse thunder
Tell that to history
main grove
Volgagrad
queen canopy
Oh
main grove
Named after the river
solid hinge
Dice can save a lotta time if they keep making 2 vehicles per faction
Sdkfz 234 and the greyhound were datamined
Which most likely means that uh
Germans will only use the pz4 and the sdkfz against the us?
Because america has no heavy tanks yet
brave coral
that’s just garlic
solid hinge
Tbh
brave coral
r/battlefieldcosmetics were begging for a recolour and now they’re doing one they’re like ‘well now i do not want it’
fossil heron
Y'all have your hopes up
brave coral
same
coarse thunder
Oh yes my favorite r/BattlefieldCosmetics
queen canopy
Agreed
brave coral
if only to see what Temp digs up if we don’t already know
queen canopy
They mentioned there’s gonna be a lot more changes in May right?
prime pine
I hope they dedicate the last two weeks to squishing bugs
fossil heron
More bugs than features. EA its in the game
prime pine
Yeah. It'll be a mega update.
coarse thunder
Easily the dumbest subreddit I'm subscribed to but one I can't bring myself to delete
solid hinge
Make misaki lose its hitbox
queen canopy
Fix spitfire rockets
solid hinge
warped rivet
Tech
prime pine
Have the vb fire infinite rockets
brave coral
honestly i don’t even know if it will come in may
warped rivet
It normally takes at least 1 month for DICE to do something
prime pine
They describe they're adding a lot of things. Just hope they dont break the base game.
fossil heron
Nothings coming in may besides a recolor and a mor tier skips
coarse thunder
The German experience circa 1944.
solid hinge
Make the tiger 1 shot everything
brave coral
obviously that’s their aim but it may well be later since the situation doesn’t look to be improving so far
fossil heron
Whens chapter 7 supposed to drop?
coarse thunder
Getting your supply vehicles constantly airstriked be like
solid hinge
@fossil heron early may
queen canopy
I wish there was a good WW2 game I could play on my shitty laptop
solid hinge
Enlisted
coarse thunder
Is Enlisted any good
solid hinge
Yes
brave coral
@queen canopy ever heard of Roblox?
prime pine
They literally had to start working from home because of this pandemic. It'll take them a bit to adjust.
Anybody looking forward to outpost?
fossil heron
So what was thier excuse before the C-19?
queen canopy
I don’t think enlisted will run on my laptop
fossil heron
Imma stop being negative
fossil heron
Im also excited for the new content to drop
fossil heron
@prime pine i cant use the bren
brave coral
not sure about hollow grip
fossil heron
Its permanently locked for me
brave coral
@fossil heron you should just be able to contact ea support
coarse thunder
Dang that be a nice Bren
fossil heron
Did that 4 times
solid hinge
There is a part of me that thinks that chapter 7 will be just like this one
1 map
2 3 guns
Tier skips
prime pine
I wish there were more tiers ffs
brave coral
i think they’ll ease up on the skips a bit and also actually adhere to the weapon release system
prime pine
50 tiers at least...
brave coral
like i respect the decision they made to release them to everyone, but it fucked up the plans and they didn’t really adapt
coarse thunder
The 40 tier system seems fine for most of the players
prime pine
10 more things to unlock would be fine in all honesty
brave coral
yeah unless they had a longer chapter/changed the requirements, 40 tiers is good
i wouldn’t mind lowering the reqs a bit and having 50 tiers tbh just bc. more stuff lol
prime pine
I might actually buy a chapter booster come to think of it
solid hinge
They said they will add the chauchat in the future, thats already 100% confirmed...
YO HOLD TF UP, SHOSHO=FRENCH GUN=FRENCH=FRANCE=LIBERATION OF FRANCE=AMERICA=CHAPTER7
fossil heron
@prime pine plz dont give ea any more money
prime pine
In before the chauchat is a level 40 tow thing
fossil heron
Dont reward bad behavior
brave coral
hopefully they reintroduce the standard booster next chapter
prime pine
I actually enjoy the game though
brave coral
it’s a nice system
brave coral
@prime pine “i have a weird idea that money must be deserved so i get a sense of superiority over how other people spend their money”
prime pine
Bleugh
solid hinge
Aight imma write what i want from the next chapter, bible time
brave coral
like anyone who goes “YoU bUy bOiNS?!? 
“
prime pine
Its like
brave coral
coupla people like that here and in bfee
prime pine
First of all. Its your own fucking money you ultimately decide to buy what you want.
coarse thunder
Boins at my thing really
prime pine
Secondly; why should you give a shit
brave coral
stfu i want to spend my money on pointless shit
prime pine
You know?
solid hinge
America in europe
Pacific ocean map
New vehicles
Chauchat, sjorgen and springfield
Delete misaki
Ultimate wishlist
coarse thunder
WHy does misaki need to be deleted
prime pine
I dont see the hate with misaki
solid hinge
Cuz everyone uses her as the god damn germans
prime pine
I really dont. She's actually a good elite.
coarse thunder
Lol why not
brave coral
mostly just that elites are cross theatre
solid hinge
They shouldnt be
coarse thunder
She's a free elite, I don't see why the majority of people wouldn't
brave coral
which i still am not a fan of although i’m not crying about it
brave coral
tbh i haven’t bought anything that’s not a meal deal for a bit
coarse thunder
Oh well
prime pine
Ive already considered that. That'll be weird
solid hinge
Unforgivable
prime pine
I hope they'll actually make those separate
brave coral
wanna buy some instant gratification y’know
was going to buy some lego but it’s all so god dang expensive
prime pine
One thing you should do on bf5 before buying cosmetics; Ask yourself if you will be using it in the future
DUDE
fossil heron
I only use misaki on the german side
prime pine
I gotta buy the crystal crawler.
brave coral
plus i don’t really want yet another “poe’s resistance x wing fighter”
solid hinge
id still argue wiping your ass with dollar bills is a better usage of money than buying boins but bonking an elite feels good
prime pine
Ive always loved that since i was smol
brave coral
yooo wait the fucking. power miners one?
prime pine
You know ayla ever since i learned the other meaning of bonk i really read that the wrong way
YEAH DR
brave coral
with the fuckin orange whizzed on the front
prime pine
ITS BEEN MY DREAM FOR A DECADE
brave coral
holy shit i have that lmao
coarse thunder
Cringe moment'
brave coral
power miners was the shit
prime pine
AYE FUCK YOU I LOVE THAT
Dude i got the titanium command rig
That shit was massive
Fuck
brave coral
it’s so hard to get a plane sometimes now bc people get it, then immediately nosedive into an objective
oh yeah i’m not even bothering with it
prime pine
I was thinking of possible ways to do it
brave coral
but it’s crippling any air support
prime pine
On arras at the start. Wait a bit and right as they run to b just hit a passer by
brave coral
best way would be get a plane with a good wing span on Hamada Breakthrough and slice some people i reckon
or that’s a solid method
the slice is definitely what you want rather than the v1 approach
prime pine
This is stupid
But yeah hitting someone horizontally is the safest and mode efficient
brave coral
i’m honestly just going with hoping some coward bomber pilot bails while i’m chasing him up and i drive into him
holy shit
them rockets
fossil heron
Kamikaze m8
prime pine
Why aim for tiger when there are transports for easy kills. 
brave coral
no! kamikaze is the worst way of doing it
since there’s no explosion and you have to get a direct impact
prime pine
Igot an accidental roadkill a few months ago in the bf109
brave coral
lining up the nose of a plane in a dive with a tiny little man on the ground is very difficult
fossil heron
Idk why they decided to not have Japanese planes have explosive impact
prime pine
I fucked up a strafe and accidentally roadkilled someone who was trying to attack c
I lived
brave coral
because... they’re not kamikaze planes...
prime pine
But obviously not the guy
solid hinge
Damn BF2021 might be delayed
fossil heron
Imma kamikaze with a bomber and just pancake a fool
solid hinge
Hopefully it will give them time to improve their tech
brave coral
and it’s also pretty insensitive
prime pine
If they were kamikaze planes they wouldnt have guns they would just filled with explosives
brave coral
wow original ‘tech’ joke
prime pine
They did say late 2021 early 2022. 🙄
solid hinge
i doubt they'll release it asap
prime pine
Northern Autumn...
coarse thunder
Kamikaze would be such a horrible tactic in bf5
solid hinge
i fuckin hope they dont at leasg
prime pine
Ill fuckin do it again
coarse thunder
The planes make a big boom upon crashing but don't really do shit
fossil heron
@coarse thunder horrible but fun
brave coral
idk if they’ve said anything official but i would hazard a guess and say that this won’t impact release massively
coarse thunder
Not even fun imo
icy sluice
I am having a conversation with the guy who called me a cheater
coarse thunder
You're sacrificing your team's plane and a ticket for virtually no gain
prime pine
Its just a stupid waste of team resources
fossil heron
You dont get a laugh when you squash someone with a plane?
idle breach
SQUASH
icy sluice
He says he's not enjoying the game anymore, he messaged one of my other friends because he killed him in knee-high water with his primary
brave coral
yeah it’s not particularly fun to just destroy your plane and send yourself to the redeploy screen for like 8 damage on a tank
prime pine
I mean sure but its overall stupid wasting a plane
Ive been kamikazed many times. No use.
fossil heron
Why would i crash into a tank?
brave coral
it might be funny if you kill someone but that’s so rare i wouldn’t say it’s worth it
coarse thunder
I find more fun being a soldier suicide bomber than a pilot suicide bomber
brave coral
because that’s how kamikaze planes were used @fossil heron
prime pine
Literally you're best running at a tank with a lunge mine
fossil heron
I'll suicide bomb all day and enjoy every second of it
brave coral
tbh more against carriers
fossil heron
Yes but this is a game
brave coral
but they were essentially just used as cruise missiles packed with explosive
fossil heron
I personally am not trying to recreate any history
Im trying to delete someone with some pizzazz
brave coral
i mean you do you but it’s probably the least effective way of doing anything to infy as a plane
brave coral
you’d be better off doing the lawn mower
coarse thunder
17 year old groundcrew conscript moment
fossil heron
Arras is probably the only flat enough map to do that
brave coral
speaking of, i reckon the Stuka might also be a solid choice for the roadkill challenge
fly low and absolutely body someone with the wheel
dapper bronze
:/ rip
fossil heron
You gotta wait till they develop the tech
dapper bronze
The TECH
fossil heron
Sorry the tech joke is a low blow but damn
brave coral
i was on 15/20 with an assignment and was well on my way to finishing it in that round then i just laid on the ground not doing anything
solid hinge
Beat me to it
fossil heron
I was once revived and my body was still stuck as dead. I was able to shoot from my dead body but couldn't move
brave coral
surprised you’re not lurking with it ready to paste
lmao that’s not one i’ve heard @fossil heron
fossil heron
It would've been amazing if i was positioned in a better place but i was in the middle of a canyon on Hamada
brave coral
i’ve seen people running around with revive icons on them and you can basically tackle them to the ground and stab a needle in them
which is... odd
i guess yours is like permanent final stand perk
fossil heron
Permanent final stand lol
raw orbit
i had once where i could still giuve out health packs when i was dead
brave coral
i would guess it’s some sort of subroutine crash? that’s just me throwing out some programmery words
it’s weird that there’s no discernible trigger
raw orbit
ah yes 
fossil heron
I was revived just after my timer ran out
It was probably lag and the game couldn't discern what happened
brave coral
it’s probably like ‘if your timer runs out as someone spawns with an EMP as a soldier with the Günter character model, you can’t respawn’
because that’s just how coding works
i did a project for school where the input validation worked fine but there was one word which it for some reason didn’t like
which was very odd
then i added a comment to point out where i thought the problem was, asked my teacher, and when i tried to demonstrate it worked fine
brave coral
120mm is howitzer?
brave coral
don’t go for that yet i think
pastel grove
The Type 3 75mm?
pastel grove
Oh the Type 5
dapper bronze
120mm sounds fun
pastel grove
Go with that, it fucking shreds tanks
brave coral
it’s one of those ones where it’s fun, but not something you want to be stuck with until level 6 i think
pastel grove
Howitzer sounds fun but it's honestly shit in practice
coarse thunder
Pretty sure the upgraded 75mm is the best of both worlds
brave coral
i mean, when you get level 6 you can go back and respec
dapper bronze
Rocket or bomb one
brave coral
both are good, depends what you want it for
coarse thunder
Still bodies infantry and has a higher velocity to be more accurate/do more damage to vehicles
brave coral
probably rocket for anti vehicle and bombs for anti infy
pastel grove
Up close, it basically 3 shots tanks
coarse thunder
Howitzers have hella velocity drop
brave coral
rocket does a lot against tanks and also shreds planes with the hmgs
prime pine
1c has hmg and rockets which are good
brave coral
but then the bombs are good against tanks as well
prime pine
1a specialised in tanking out tanks
But ever since the bomb nerf they're not good anymore
brave coral
i almost have the 8x rockets for the 1c
dapper bronze
Which is best Vs infantry
prime pine
Honestly if they just rebuffed the 1 tonne bomb / 842lb bomb to one hit kill tanks more reliably then no problem
dapper bronze
I assume the 1A
brave coral
i found out the rockets are very good at taking out an annoying but not very good AA gun
brave coral
just fly in reasonably steep from high altitude, first person, shoot some rockets and get an easy kill
dapper bronze
Ah well
brave coral
ah
main grove
Wait a spotting scope on a plane
Not camera
Tbh camera is OP
No counter against it
main grove
Most plane spotting tools are uncounterable
It was like that in BF1
And I don’t think radio detonators were a thing
muted pier
so they were probably wire operated?
main grove
It’s just meant to be like wired up but the wire is invisible for game reasons
muted pier
but actually including wires would be a programming nightmare I guess
cloud storm
Yeah it's just a game mechanic
prime pine
Hey jer!
muted pier
interesting, had this on my mind for a while
icy sluice
Quick fun fact, squad reviving reloads your weapons
cloud storm
Is that a bug or an intended mechanic
main grove
It’s because it’s on the same key/button no?
muted pier
whose weapons, the ones’ who gets revived or the ones’ who does the reviving
main grove
The reloading in this game is very persistent
You could start a reload
Jump into a river
And the reload will still be underway
muted pier
though, is the healing on reload bug fixed yet?
main grove
I think so
muted pier
great, that was frustrating as hell
main grove
But yeah I played a quite a bit of COD today and while the TTK is much faster there’s several things BF does faster than cod
Like reloading while sprinting
Vaulting while reloading
And especially ADS speed
COD ADS takes forever
muted pier
I haven’t played CoD in years, but as far as I can tell, Bf has the smoother movement
and gameplay
main grove
So every meta gun build as about reducing ADS time
gray saffron
@solid carbon just don't make a reddit post lol
main grove
For ebin quickscopes
solid carbon
Nah i dont like the subreddit
muted pier
the subreddit is awful lol
gray saffron
cod's so clunky compared to bfv when it comes to movement
like being able to crouch run and stuff
or lie on your back and shoot
languid sinew
dont give the dev cod ideas there is already enough camping in that game
muted pier
crouch running is so good, it’s honestly so jarring that it’s not in Bf1, where there’s much more trench warfare
gray saffron
hmm i feel there are more trenches in bfv than there was in bf1. there's only a few maps that really utilize the trenchwarfare in bf1
main grove
First time I came across crouch running was the red orchestra/rising storm series
gray saffron
that free aim system of red orchestra feels good too. i could see it work in bf
main grove
Somme, Nivelle nights are the two maps that use trench warfare a lot
muted pier
does bf v have that many trenches? I can name pacific storm and arras from the top of my head
main grove
Somme was so good
muted pier
probably some others too
main grove
I hated how it was CQ assault only
You can dig impromptu trenches on a lot of maps but I wouldn’t say it was trench warfare
They are hardly deep
languid sinew
bf 1 has so many cheaters now its awful ppl complain about cheaters in bf v but I barely see any
muted pier
yeah you run around trenches more in bf1 and that feature would be a lot more usefull there
DICE really needs to work on anticheat fr
main grove
But Somme and the German side on nivelle nights was trench warfare as fuck
languid sinew
played bf 1 on saturday and friday and in every game was a sniper who only does headshots every shot even close range with obrez pistol
gray saffron
you can build a lot of trenches in bfv as well
main grove
Passchendaele had a few trenches but it was mostly mud warfare
That was the most WW1 map in the game
Along with Somme
solid carbon
That was the most WW1 map in the game
@main grove u sure?
main grove
I mean thematically
muted pier
the most representstive of the western front I’d say
or what pop culture thinks ww1 looked like
solid carbon
Oh wait i forgot something, you are right
idle breach
yeah
main grove
Galicia was most representative of eastern front
Most fights looked like that
In a thawy muddy flat hell
muted pier
does bf1 have much of a population still?
main grove
In Europe PS4 it has plenty of vanilla servers
Only one mixed server
With all DLC maps
muted pier
PC is probably better regarding player count, no?
fossil heron
That's debatable
fossil heron
Ps+xbox player count> pc
muted pier
you sure about that?
fossil heron
90% yeah
muted pier
I thought bf was primarily aimed for the pc crowd
idle breach
yeah, i thought so
tall finch
ive seen 4, 64 servers with a queue on PC in north america
idle breach
but well it's 2020 so lol who knows
fossil heron
PC has more players than any individual console and thats what matters
tall finch
thats both combined
fossil heron
Ps+xbox combined players
tall finch
yea
muted pier
oh right, sorry
fossil heron
But sever count on an individual platform matters more than anything else
muted pier
makes sense
dapper bronze
Is the 95mm howitzer good on the Churchill?
It doesn't say it has reduced reload speed
And the only other option is the basic 75mm gun
prime pine
Its good as anti infantry
idle breach
its slower
dapper bronze
It's got slower velocity
idle breach
but it fires slower
dapper bronze
It doesn't say that tho and it normally does on howizters
It just says slower velocity
dapper bronze
Hmm ok I'll get the 95 then
idle breach
takes some time to get used to
dapper bronze
Also do engineers give you ammo when they repair you now 🤔
idle breach
huh
prime pine
Why would use hesh on infantry?
dapper bronze
Get the Hesh round or the mine defuser thing
I forgot it takes up a different slot
dapper bronze
How good is it Vs the 95mm?
solid hinge
HESH is good but it has a very low velocity
dapper bronze
Cuz the mine clearer sounds v fun
prime pine
In this meta you cant afford to pass up AP or general special rounds
shy badger
Didn't they fuck up the AP rounds not too long ago?
solid hinge
HESH I've 2 shot tanks
shy badger
They fixed them?
prime pine
Its Apc with 75mm rounds or 95mm with hesh
dapper bronze
Mkay I'll get Hesh :(
prime pine
Did they ever fuck ap shells?
prime pine
What did they do? I know they messed with the panzer ivs count
shy badger
Val APCR was crap
prime pine
Weird... I cant remember that
I do remember when they buffed the six pounder
That really threw me through a loop
coarse thunder
I thought the specialized armor piercing type rounds were garbage
prime pine
Honestly i thought same at first.
coarse thunder
Is that still the case now? I remember only the HEAT shell being the only worthwhile one
prime pine
They are much better
shy badger
At first the AP shells were pretty good
I used them on every tank I could
(On val it was busted)
idle breach
hesh is stupidly stronk, mine clearer is fun but
shy badger
out dps a tiger
prime pine
If i hit the frontal tracks of a tiger with normal 75 mms i would do 26
idle breach
mine clearer clearly works better on valentine
prime pine
But with ap i do 36
idle breach
HESH and SNEK both are not really bad choice or must have choice imo
prime pine
Light tank ap rounds were also buffed
coarse thunder
HESH is cool because the damage is staggered
prime pine
Hesh is more valuable than danger noodles
idle breach
with churchill you're not gonna be able to do kickass maneuvre like other tanks
coarse thunder
Like you think it only did 20 damage but sike it does 20 more after half a second
prime pine
40 damage per shot regardless of angle is scary
shy badger
danger noodles 😄
idle breach
stupid stronk AT rounds or SNEK both kinda fits with churchill
shy badger
You know its funny
I like to rush tigers with my val
They usually don't expect me to kill them so fast
prime pine
Its fucked
prime pine
I honestly do expect dice to buff the archer and stug so they always have ap rounds
Remove armour piercer with stug and vallie archer
Make it default
24/32 rounds of destruction
Stug with ap mine launcher while vallie has speed
idle breach
as I am a USSR fanboy I prefer fast tanks
gray glade
agree, stug not a bad tank if you get hold of a dcent gunner, but how often does that happen :/
dapper bronze
Is the tiger 1 good?
shy badger
sure
dapper bronze
Sorry for all the questions I want to make sure I don't lvl up the wrong stuff
idle breach
its good enough
shy badger
As long as you don't pick the stug or archer (or the MAAs), every tank is pretty good
Some better than others
fossil heron
Light tanks are so much fun. Pop in get a couple kills. Pop out. Rinse and repeat
brave coral
archer is generally decent the times i’ve used it
picked up a few kills and vehicle destroys
stug i feel you need to have a gunner in vc to do well since you don’t even have a coax mg
coarse thunder
Thats basically how its been since it dropped
stug has the potential to be one of the best tanks as long as you communicating with whoever in the MG
idle breach
stug is fucking stupidly overpowered when driven by good driver and gunner both doing VOIP and played together pretty much before but
I think two good dudes playing together won't even need stug4
it only makes difference of completely destroying enemy team while doing 40-0/completetly destroying enemy team while doing 40-10
crystal blaze
The stug default cannon is not good imo
idle breach
yeah it's bad
main grove
Default stug cannon needs to become uber splash damage
queen canopy
I shall proceed to engage in conversation on the subject of the video game Battlefield V developed by DICE Studios and published by Electronic Arts
solid hinge
you're a donkey
queen canopy
Dumbkey
solid hinge
wholesome :d
dapper bronze
I swear the number of tanks on breakthrough aerodrome and twisted steel changes
Some games there's tons others the defenders get none
On breakthrough not conquest
fossil heron
@dapper bronze i believe after a tank gets destroyed on those maps they aren't going to get another. I may be wrong tho
solid hinge
It's not possible that the second behleim is so shitty
brave coral
the blenheim mk1 is good as an infantry support role
you can get spotting camera, explosive 50 cal and 8x40lb bombs
or you can drop supply canisters and spawn infantry
solid hinge
the paradrop function doesnt function correctly afaik
and never has done
but the explosive 50 cal is good
coral fiber
solid carbon
Good old Minengeschoss
brave coral
yeah i wasn’t sure what it did if anything
tfw you rank the ju88c twice in a match bc no one was doing anything to stop you
i was just bombing marked targets and getting a kill or two every time lmao
got a quad on a full transport
icy sluice
Paradrop works actually
drowsy finch
I haven't played BFV in like since the first season, have they added female hair options yet
Has customization gotten better at all actually
scenic beacon
Yep
drowsy finch
what do they look like gun Jesus
scenic beacon
pretty good, go back and play if you still have it installed
i dont mind the customization, well, except for the ridiculous amount of gas masks lol
but other than that i'd say customization is pretty good
drowsy finch
are the uniforms more authentic or are they still PC'd
twilit moon
elite female jap "ToW" rewards
drowsy finch
Like are unit patches available
scenic beacon
nope, but id say a fair few of the uniforms are on the more realistic side if you're willing to part with cc for a few
that, and in the may update, uniforms are being recolored to be more accurate
twilit moon
it "may" come on May...dabumtss
drowsy finch
That's dissapointing
twilit moon
coronafree
drowsy finch
I preordered the game based on that gorgeous 101st pathfinder promotional art
and the trailer everyone hated
twilit moon
we all did
Well it wasn't the desired outcome but for me it's decent and i enjoy it
Could be like BF3 with all the hype it got but noo...
drowsy finch
I was so upset when they completely axed customization for female characters to a bunch of cancer patients with brody helmets
scenic beacon
female hair options are in the game now
drowsy finch
Like why can't I play as my own blatant self insert
drowsy finch
I did too
scenic beacon
that's the only customization thing im a bit upset about
drowsy finch
I still think it's ridiculous that pilots and crew all use a single SMG
instead of faction appropriate ones
twilit moon
But that weapon is OP and they haven't noticed it
it is more overpowered than the medic one
brave coral
tbf it’s largely down to the fact that you rarely actually use the gun on account of driving the vehicle
twilit moon
unless you swap seats and u are the repair monkey and ur premade is driving
drowsy finch
IDK I was hoping for a more arcadey and less bug filled mess than something like Post Scriptum
brave coral
but i agree there should be either loadout customisation or at least faction correct guns for the tankers and pilots
drowsy finch
because all of the pseudo sim games are a chore to play and don't get physics engines
But BFV somehow managed to be even more offensive to any form of historical accuracy than the trailer to me, IDK
tribal cairn
German Pilots could get to choose? MP40 or M30 Drilling
M30 Drilling was the luftwaffe's survival weapon
twilit moon
for the next time being bfv is a decent choise to play until 2021-22 next BF installment
drowsy finch
Like people running around with MP43's in the invasion of France
Like even COD did a better job of historical accuracy
giving the conscripts on Omaha Soviet SMGs
which was a real freaking thing
It baffles me
tribal cairn
Yep, Forced Conscription was a thing, but also veterans.
twilit moon
but CoD is a downgrated game , still with all it's weaknesses BFV is a better installment
tribal cairn
Germany was on their heels, so some Eastern companies were moved down to Normandy in the commotion
drowsy finch
@tribal cairn I'm aware, I follow WWII history as a bit of a hobby
I would have loved being able to play as an Ersatztruppen or something from the 91st Luftlande or something fun
But DICE decided to chicken out and give super bizarre and generic outfits to everyone and I was super dissapointed
tribal cairn
Yeah, I would say I was disappointed with uniforms as well.
The Uniforms were way too gray, I must say.
drowsy finch
Like, I respect giving the Matilda the time of day when most games would have gone with a Sherman or Cromwell
icy sluice
CoD WWII had the most minimal customization for the Germans
drowsy finch
but like why can't I have it in Desert Rat livery or something it's hella sad
tribal cairn
But at least they looked german
icy sluice
rn they only have like 6 outfits with only different colors
drowsy finch
Like, MW's campaign is leaps and bounds more authentic than BFV's war stories and I find that bizarre
They even went to the effort of giving Russians 5.45 variant AK platforms
With the insurgents using mostly older 7.62 AKM analogues
twilit moon
yeah i expected a more dynamic war story
tribal cairn
To be fair, they did put a lot of effort into MW
drowsy finch
They did, I've maxed each season so far, it's what I play instead of BF now
I will definitely redownload BFV when I manage to get an external hard drive
so I can have the space to but gosh, I've just lost all faith in DICE
tribal cairn
I did appreciate being able to play as a German in BFV though
Since that kind of thing is normally washed over by the Allied Forces' Heroics
drowsy finch
That war story was probably the most authentic one which is whack
tribal cairn
So it was a nice detail
drowsy finch
The vehicle models were all well done and mostly accurate
It was weird that the "boss" tanks were M4A1s with 76mm turret conversions
and the Americans were using Staghounds for some reason
but other than that it was a pretty decent story
What honestly boggles my mind about that actually is there are no A1 hulls anywhere in the game AFAIK besides that
it would have been cheaper to make an A3 (76) instead yet they made an A1 hull just for that
tribal cairn
Maybe later on they could add a Pershing or a E8
drowsy finch
E8 would make sense as an upgrade for the regular Sherman
tribal cairn
Would also be nice to get the hellcat.
twilit moon
hellcat OP
drowsy finch
which as far as the game is concerned would just be the 76mm and track extensions
Hellcat probably would be really fun yeah, I doubt they'd model the armor accurately
You could probably meme on a Tiger with one
tribal cairn
What armor?
drowsy finch
That;s what I mean, it would probably take about as many Panzerfaust shots as any other TD or tank
tribal cairn
It would have to be very fragile if you want to be faithful to it.
drowsy finch
I'd expect it to probably be similar to how they would model a Stug as far as HP goes because the asymmetrical vehicles in this game aren't really very accurate
tribal cairn
Since light armor for very high speed.
drowsy finch
I know, I doubt the devs would for gameplay
Because given the fact that you have to trade hits in this game, the Hellcat would stand no chance without cover if it had accurate armor
Unless they gave it APCR or like sabots for meme value
tribal cairn
True. Which, if we really want the flanking style of the Hellcat to be very viable.
We need better mechanics
Less hits for tank vs tank combat,
More Armor value, penetration,
drowsy finch
Like I said earlier, I was hoping for a funner more playable version of something like Post Scriptum
But the community freaked out over realism changes and the whole SJW debacle and it all fell apart and got released unfinished
I really tried to like it, carrying teams as a headless chicken medic
gray saffron
realism changes?
drowsy finch
they were talking about stuff like asymmetry and attrition
which are all more anti-fun more flavor based gameplay additions
gray saffron
ah yeah
attrition was actually fun in beta, where support and medics were really needed. now it's pretty much one man armyier
tribal cairn
I've been taking a long break from BFV, been playing War Thunder, so coming back to tanks in this game is so bland in comparison after getting used to War Thunder.
drowsy finch
I liked the medic system as a medic in the release
tribal cairn
I keep forgetting that there are damage values,
And not that I can ammo rack the person inside
drowsy finch
I would play WT but the grind seems really not worth the effort to me
tribal cairn
The Grind ain't so bad in the lower tiers.
drowsy finch
Also the complete and utter lack of actual combined arms gameplay
tactical air is already really dumb if you're actually trying to be authentic to WWII
gray saffron
warthunder tanking wouldn't be fun in bfv. cause infantry will fuck you up even harder. you won't be able to drive one inch.
drowsy finch
Something like a Jumbo or a KT would be very good against infantry
bounce panzershreks so long as you're facing front armor
shell stone
I'd honestly be perfectly ok if the Battlefield franchise just fucking died
tall finch
dude cover doesnt work in bf1
its so annoying
im behind cover and some guy still shoots me
how
tribal cairn
Still, I'm sure we all find it somewhat annoying that it takes about 6-10 shots for us to kill another tank
If not upgraded
drowsy finch
It's always been the case for the BF franchise though
Like the hey day or tanks in BF3 where tanks took 3 or 4 shots to kill if you were in a meeting engagement
When at the ranges where the game actually lets you fight literally every shot that hits vaguely center mass would be an instant kill
gray saffron
i think where the critical areas are hould be made more clear. that will turn that shooting a tank for 6 shots down to only a few.
tribal cairn
That I agree with
drowsy finch
And HE was considered a viable alternative to sabot ammunition for MBT killingw
tribal cairn
What about ammo racks?
drowsy finch
which made literally negative sense
drowsy finch
Ammo racks can just count as critical dmg
tribal cairn
But it sounds appealing enough to try and cut down on time
I suppose that'll do
Fits within BF
drowsy finch
Like anyone can brainstorm ways to make BF more realistic without sacrificing gameplay
brave coral
i want to get the 76mm gun for the Sherman right?
drowsy finch
Though if you ask me a lot of those involve traveling to at least post 1960
1970-1985 would be the golden range of an authentic but not ridiculous BF game
As the standard service rifle would be an AR and not a bolt action
tribal cairn
True, but it would have to be a fictional war
brave coral
cold war gone hot
tribal cairn
Yes
drowsy finch
And technology isn't so focused on lock on weapons as to be boring like in the BF3 and 4 era
tribal cairn
It's what I suggested before
drowsy finch
Who cares about fictional wars the Cold War is ripe with possible content
drowsy finch
it's so dissapointing that the only game devs that care about the era are Russian
tribal cairn
Serbia
solid hinge
Oof
tribal cairn
So many ripe battlegrounds
drowsy finch
Because they always favor Russian stuff
Like, a game where your tanks are M60s and T-55s and your specialty vehicles are like M48 zippos and stuff
solid hinge
My british team got 3 sturmtigers and 1 crocodile
drowsy finch
With accurate IFVs like the BMP-1
solid hinge
Nice
drowsy finch
With factions that aren't the US vs NVA/VC
The only war that media cares about is Vietnam which doesn't really work for shooters given the sheer imbalance of it
drowsy finch
Rising Storm 2 does small scale engagements with the NVA decently
but it's essentially Insurgency with a Vietnam skin on it
gray saffron
red orchestra*
drowsy finch
Bad Company 2 is an arcade game
brave palm
Why have bfv servers become infested with campers within the last few weeks
drowsy finch
A Fulda Gap game would be much more interesting from a shooter perspective
you can even downgrade technology as needed with the hand wave magic of "nukes"
Just adjust the level of nuclear annihilation given to front line units and you can have as much tech as you want
Unit cohesion can be explained away as divisional HQ getting yeeted on by a Scud or something
gray saffron
i think fictional wars is a better idea. less whining from people about: "this isn't historical accurate" and much more freedom in what they can do and show. hell they could make live-servicey with a tide of war that slowly progressess the war and adds new maps and vehicles/guns based on the factions that enter the fictional world war
drowsy finch
War in Europe would be a very good place to start
brave palm
That would be pretty cool
drowsy finch
You can open with the Budeswehr and US vs East Germany and the Soviets
expanding to the rest of NATO and Warsaw PACT
gray saffron
yeah and they can use locations that aren't really known for wars like big european cities like london or whatever
drowsy finch
and adding Scandinavian and Yugoslav forces after that
Yep, a nuclear bombed and war torn Paris
with the fallen Eiffel Tower was the center of the map
That would be a solid design
gray saffron
well... paris was nuked in bf3 ;D
drowsy finch
I mean a real nuke
gray saffron
that was real nuke D:
solid carbon
Nice virus
gray saffron
from the wiki of bf3: "The nuke then detonates in the distance at the EURONEXT building, killing eighty-thousand people. In the aftermath, Dima and Kril suffer from the effects of radiation poisoning due to the nuclear device's detonation. "
it was a nuclear bomb
drowsy finch
I believe it's an SS-20 so you can google that instead
gray saffron
that pretty much wiped paris
drowsy finch
Paris has millions of people in it
Yes it was a nuclear weapon, but it's nothing compared to Cold War nuclear arsenals
In the event of war with the Soviet Union, we weren't supposed to get a couple thousand dead, the entire Eastern seaboard was basically considered screwed
direct deaths from nuclear weapons would have been easily in the millions with tenfold more dying to radiation and after effects
gray saffron
we won't die. we'll just turn into ghouls.
cloud storm
Idk why more devs dont do alt history
gray saffron
lot of them do though
shell stone
DICE, if you're not gonna fucking listen to the players and fix this game, then do us a favor and KILL OFF THE FRANCHISE
cloud storm
Who does alt history
fossil heron
Wolfenstein
drowsy finch
Indie devs do alt history
fossil heron
Black ops is alt history
drowsy finch
Wolfenstein is more like historical fan fiction
Blops was alt history I'll give it that
fossil heron
There's plenty out there. Fictional pieces are usually alt history
Bad company 2 has alt history in it
cloud storm
I mean yeah but I wouldnt call bfbc2 an alt history game
drowsy finch
Bad Company is more a divergent present
Like they all fall under alt history yes
but what Lighters is talking about is like
historical what ifs
and not "I think this setting is cool, so I will write a story in this setting"
fossil heron
In a multiplayer setting specifically
drowsy finch
Like stuff like what if the Battle of Carthage ended in the repelling of the Roman legions
or what if Teddy won a third term and brought America into WWI from the start
or what if Lee didn't stop before DC
or what if the White Revolution succeeded, saving Russia from half a century of communist oppression
or what if the Long March failed and Mao and all his buddies drowned in the Yellow River
cloud storm
This is why I think near future is a good time period for most war games
At least multiplayer ones
Fictional conflicts but with familiar guns and vehicles with enough flexibility to throw in some new shit depending on how "near" it is
drowsy finch
One of the easiest ones to do for a Battlefield style game is what if Cuba didn't pan out
because it almost didn't
Literally inches from nuclear armageddon and the only modern shooter franchise to cover it is CoD and they decided to go with a rampaging lunatic sprinting at cheetah speed hacking ppl apart with a machete
drowsy finch
^^^^^^^^^^^^😩
brave coral
yeah i’d like to see alt timeline cold war gone hot or near future
since both are fictional settings which gives a lot more freedom with weapons, vehicles, equipment, locations etc
with cold war you can cover existing events and stuff that almost happened, plus make some more stuff up
near future you can do whatever
twilit moon
@drowsy finch @tribal cairn they had armor values / angles but they decided to make it noobfriendly and made all angles flat dmg
(in your discussion about hellcat)
brave coral
there’s... definitely still angles
i got a 14 damage shot to the side of an enemy tank with a glancing shot then as he repositioned got like 37 damage or something because it was a better hit
coarse thunder
I think it got toned down alot, how much you had to angle and shit
It was like the child's version of WT for vehicle players lmao
I mean Azura Productions essentially built his YTube career on bf5 vehicle guides which heavily emphasized angling
solid hinge
Why DICE don't put a new German tank??
Like the panther or the hetzer
These two tanks were famous in ww2
the angling is still fucky currently
had a 8 damage panzerfaust shot earlier and a 20 damage bazooka shot
@solid hinge I got killed by a lunge mine, and it hits me in the track, and I was half
Panzerfaust should do more damage than bazooka
Agreed
Lunge mine seems to do set damage to each tank
Yeah
ornate yarrow
gotta say
twilit moon
@brave coral yeah but still you cant ricochet that often or even get an angle for them to hit you for like 2-10 , it's flat 14
ornate yarrow
i hope the next battlefield wont be shit
bf1 was so damn good, that quality drop from bf1 to bf5 though..
fossil heron
BF5 is still good
dapper bronze
I have finally found a way I can drop bombs
Climb to the skybox, then dive
Wheeeee
ornate yarrow
unoptimized, slow load times, oversaturation
fossil heron
Bf1 had fast load times?
ornate yarrow
not to mention other general issues
yes it did
it didnt take 5 minutes of waiting in a black screen for just the main menu to load
fossil heron
I'd have to disagree
solid hinge
Guys, for me bf5 is a nice game, but is bad managed
ornate yarrow
it is pretty bad to be honest with you
dapper bronze
I've never played Bf1 and bf5 is pretty good
fossil heron
How many hours have you put into it so far?
ornate yarrow
pretty ahistorical, unrealistic
dapper bronze
And that's coming from someone who has 15 fps on a good day
ornate yarrow
ive put in a few but i just cant stand it
ornate yarrow
the game is realistic in terms of infantry, firearms, setting and other misc areas
you can brush off a grenade in bf5 where as in bf1 you gotta run away from it
fossil heron
99% of the weapons in bf1 were never mass produced or even used
dapper bronze
looks at entire teams of that Japanese katana person
ornate yarrow
not true creamy
some guns were added in just so people could use the cool, rare guns
which were a bit hard to get
solid hinge
Well guys, BF5 is a nice game, with nice idea, but badly managed, this is how I think
fossil heron
Laughs in hellriegel
ornate yarrow
bf5 had unrealistic sighs for a lot of weapons
twilit moon
bf1 was so dumb and shitty that you had only semi autos, no coordination with tanks, everyone camping at a hilltop or proning 24/7, unbalanced "elite" items and AA shooting at our spawn, no sorry i will pass on that
fossil heron
@solid hinge i agree very poorly managed but thats been EAs theme the past 3 years
twilit moon
at least bfv is much more hardcore and playable
dapper bronze
I wish BF5 had more seperate classes
ornate yarrow
ww1 had semi auto rifles mainly used because automatic firearms were still relatively unused and only appeared at the very end of the war?
fossil heron
Bf1 is a casual version of battlefield more comparable to the battlefront series
dapper bronze
Like medic is better than assault for skirmishing
Infinite healing, same guns basically
Assault is just useful to take out vehicles
ornate yarrow
bf1 required a lot of teamwork to effectively use the best tanks
dapper bronze
Medics can act as snipers
fossil heron
@ornate yarrow same with bf5
ornate yarrow
the mark 5 was hard to use with a shoddy squad
solid hinge
For me, BF5 should be completed and balanced
dapper bronze
I mean
ornate yarrow
well not really
twilit moon
still battlefield 1 had a good setting, a good feeling, nice maps but bad gunplay and vehicle warfare
fossil heron
Play bf4 than play bf1
dapper bronze
cue every single top gunner getting headshot within 5 seconds of spawning
fossil heron
Bf1 was a good game but far from realistic
twilit moon
overall BF4>BFV>BF1
ornate yarrow
bf1 was more or less historically accurate
solid hinge
DICE and EA should listen to us, we are their commuity..
ornate yarrow
battlefield 5 was and is broken, unoptimized, very historically inaccurate and downright insulting other nations
twilit moon
but having battlefield 3 or 4 as an imaginary scenario of war / setup was much more of a success than bf1 and bfv
ornate yarrow
where is the soviet union, france, italy?
last zenith
bfv is better than mw tho
twilit moon
"COMING SOON" XD
dapper bronze
Ahahahah
ornate yarrow
a good amount of players came from russia
dapper bronze
All the other class roles
solid hinge
@ornate yarrow yah dude, I'm with you, I'm waiting to other nations...
twilit moon
well soviet union should be around the corner
dapper bronze
twilit moon
it was rumoured that it was chapter 7
ornate yarrow
so to not include the soviets which, in all honesty, were more important than the japanese, is pretty stupid
solid hinge
@twilit moon seriously??
fossil heron
This note of being a realistic war game is kinda odd to me. Do you want a good battlefield game or a realistic war game? You cant have both
twilit moon
but france and italy werent that into the WW2, i mean they existed as resistance and invasions (france / italy
ornate yarrow
you CAN have both
dapper bronze
I mean I see why they included Japan Vs america
ornate yarrow
you need to find a balance, but bf5 didnt find strengths in either
fossil heron
You really cant. Theres great war simulators out there
twilit moon
i agree