It's splash damage got massively reduced
#battlefield-legacy-titles
stoic breach
prime pine
Yeah he's with donnie, malak and someother shitheads in etm
stoic breach
The splash could OHK which was great
Attrition let you regen gadgets too fast though
So the splash got nerfed
prime pine
Basically their toxicity is concentrated into one shitty clan where they cant infect anyone else
wet fossil
Attrition's just a bad system.
red palm
@solid hinge that’s why most tanks just sit on a hill and blow up infantry from a distance 
solid hinge
it literally is!
stoic breach
Yeah
solid hinge
and their solution to that was make tanks ludicrously powerful in 5.2
prime pine
I dont mind the things that were done to rectify the attrition system but it wasnt really needed.
solid hinge
which was still the dumbest shit they ever did
stoic breach
Cause tanks really needed more health
wet fossil
Arbitrary limitations on spawn ammo slammed headlong into too-fast resupply and self-heal.
stoic breach
So they could camp more easily
prime pine
Health attrition is bad straight up
wet fossil
BF1 had it handled fine.
stoic breach
Yeah thats spot on
red palm
I once fought a tank that just waited behind the OOC zone and fired, I couldn’t even get to it
solid hinge
throwback to me putting a brick on the accelerator when I was in a tiger and watching as literally 15+ people failed to kill me
Health attrition good
stoic breach
BF1 needed adjustments but it worked for what it was
open surge
tiger: I am speed
prime pine
Ammo is easier to deal with it (maybe i dont care about ammo as i main support) but being unable to recover all my health after being shot and unable to run to a med station due to combat is bullshit
red palm
At least the revive system is good in this game
wet fossil
I certainly miss being able to spawn with both flares
solid hinge
i wanted to see what it would take for me to die but i didnt end up dying so i never found out
open surge
tiger engine: trying not to die
solid hinge
launchers seem to do over 15 damage consistently now
main grove
Solution is just remove vehicles from BF
stoic breach
Yeah Battlefield needs Call of Duty style launchers
wet fossil
The medpack system is stupid in that either you're halfway to death on a permanent basis or the guy you just hit with a bodyshot can duck and heal up to full within seconds.
prime pine
Then why would you play battlefield when the literal focus is its vehicles
stoic breach
High yield, but you have to aim them and strafe speed is really low
open surge
can I have an inaccurate af rpg weapon
solid hinge
being able to strafe fire with the piat and stuff is too good vs tanks up close, especially when the tank machine guns have slow kill times
stoic breach
Yeah
prime pine
Holding a spare med kit i think is an extremely good system
open surge
dude
solid hinge
The health attrition means you need to think more and ammo attrition need to go back to beta
open surge
tank MGs are worthless past 20m
solid hinge
you can literally pre-fire a location where infantry will peek and they'll peek fire and duck back down before dying
like
stoic breach
Multiplayer you should only be trying to outsmart other players, not the game itself
main grove
Health attrition should be nerfed to like double the health regen
solid hinge
you literally cant actually kill them with it
wet fossil
And it makes it a pain to get heal points as medic because everybody's popping their own medpacks and you just get 10 resupply points.
main grove
So normal people can regen up to 60 health
stoic breach
"Thinking more"
prime pine
If it wasnt for health attrition then it wouldnt be needed but regardless
main grove
Light infantry up to 75
stoic breach
When you already have to think about not dying
prime pine
Yeah dweller
stoic breach
Its a completely invalid arguement
prime pine
That would be awesome
solid hinge
If you have 30 hp you arnt going to do the same thing as you would with 100 hp
eager shore
Actually having to worry about my health and ammo adds another layer to gameplay that is practically nonexistant in other games, so I welcome attrition in V.
wet fossil
DICE designed the system in an attempt to force teamwork.
Getting that out of randos is like forcing blood from a stone.
tacit kelp
@solid hinge the worst thing is that, you kill him but somehow after his death you throw grenade or detonate his dynamite
solid hinge
i think attrition could theoretically be good
wet fossil
So it just gimps you.
main grove
That way someone would have to do more than 60 damage to slightly hinder their max health
solid hinge
Teamwork is better than bf4
stoic breach
Yeah
main grove
And the minimum health you could have
queen canopy
I hate the amount of ammo most guns have now
dense bone
it doesnt just "gimp you" it gimps everyone
stoic breach
Dweller
solid hinge
it just is implemented really badly
main grove
Say if you survived from 1 health
solid hinge
like, really badly
eager shore
Even when solo, attrition doesn't really affect me because it forces me to change my strategy.
silent trench
guys i just realised something
stoic breach
That just means you start a new fight with 60hp
queen canopy
I feel like a walking warehouse
stoic breach
And some start with 75
main grove
Would he 61
stoic breach
So its unfair
solid hinge
infinite medic self heal
stoic breach
Based on weapon damage
silent trench
the battlefield theme song is the same as the mario theme song just different pitches
^&
main grove
But not everyone goes to 1 health in a fight
solid hinge
pick up a semi auto as medic and watch as you kill everyone from a safe distance with infinite heals and 100 bullets
Yeah that gun that you dealt 99damage to
it's stoopid
prime pine
Expecting people to help you in this game is honestly a naive way of thinking of it all. Why do people main medic? Cause they want their infinite heals so they dont rely on others as much
stoic breach
The thing with this whole "strategy" or "think differently about fights" is just total bullshit
main grove
It would make it so light and medium damage can be fully healed
wet fossil
Jungle Carbine is the Infantry SMLE I'd been missing.
stoic breach
If you're playing the game, you're already thinking differently about every fight
main grove
Only heavy damage slightly hinders you
stoic breach
Because of engagement distance, class type
wet fossil
2x magnification on a good sight.
stoic breach
All of that
solid hinge
750 boins bouta get wasted
prime pine
You barely recover a full on damage
grand haven
I play medic so I can stab people with needles...
prime pine
Oh jungle boi tano? Ive never thought of using short ranged scope...
Just medium scope here!
solid hinge
You can run away most of the time
wet fossil
I was popping heads with infantry sights back in BF1
solid hinge
Can't
stoic breach
Which is what you would already be doing even if you could regen to 100
wet fossil
But now those are locked to 1.5x and the goddamn Assaults can hit me effectively at range.
stoic breach
So the whole tactical aspect argument is just stupid
prime pine
One thing i fucking wish the jungle carbine had was a bayonet charge
stoic breach
Because you're already changing tactics on the fly
That is the nature of FPS
Health regen limitations just prevent you from being flexible
solid hinge
Beta ammo attrition and keep health attrition for bf6
wet fossil
Seriously, the life of an infantry sniper is a hard one.
open surge
what gun is the jungle carbine
queen canopy
I like health attrition personally
wet fossil
Either go semi-auto or die.
open surge
is it a Lee Enfield
prime pine
Mini medic bolties
stoic breach
Its such a stupid system for multiplayer
open surge
No I mean the irl gun
gray saffron
Mp34 isch only bayonet gun for medic :((
solid hinge
No
stoic breach
If you could regen to 100hp, but you got shot down to 10, would you or would you not still try and retreat or stop firing so you can regen
wet fossil
It's a Lee-Enfield cut down to size with lower weight and a shorter barrel.
stoic breach
Its the exact same situation regardless
solid hinge
Not really
stoic breach
You almost die, so you stop fighting
solid hinge
Bf4 you wait it out
wet fossil
It'll one hit headshot people from a good eighty metres.
stoic breach
Unless you want to keep getting shot at so you can respawn and attrition yourself back to 100hp
queen canopy
I don’t like the idea of having several rifle rounds in my chest and being able to just completely walk it off
solid hinge
Bfv I look ffor an opportunity to push up to the objective and grab a med pack whilst I'm there
stoic breach
If BFV didnt have stations would you still do the same thing
queen canopy
I think you should be required to find some form of medical attention lol
prime pine
You shouldnt need to do that for healing in general in this game. Med packs should only function to kick start regeneration.
solid hinge
Obviously if there was no stations
stoic breach
Manual healing is a stupid system in general
solid hinge
No
stoic breach
Its completely unnecessary
queen canopy
Passive healing is just dumb though
stoic breach
In a multiplayer FPS
solid hinge
I like the "realistic" health regen
prime pine
Manual healing has its place but just the general application of it should be changed accoridingly
stoic breach
Its not even realistic
queen canopy
Yeah, He took several .303 rounds to chest...just walk it off, he’ll be fine in about 30 seconds
Passive is even less so
solid hinge
Hence why I used the " "
stoic breach
Who gives a shit about realism
main grove
I get that they wanted to change it from BF1
stoic breach
Its a casual multiplayer shooter
queen canopy
A lot of people actually
main grove
Because they had to change stuff
stoic breach
Lol why
solid hinge
It's a good change
stoic breach
Why would you ever want realism over gameplay balance in a AAA shooter
main grove
All of my mates took one look at BFV and said it looked like BF1
dense bone
people can care about realism, doesnt mean bfv is where that is
main grove
Kinda dumb but ehh
solid hinge
People like realism in games
dense bone
they really dont
solid hinge
Some people do
dense bone
well sure
eager shore
I don't think most people here remembers that shooters used to not have health regen. 😛
solid hinge
It's all they ever complain about
main grove
BF1 had a good system but they wanted to give BFV a more in-depth system to advertise that they changed something
solid hinge
Health attrition is good in bfv
dense bone
@eager shore csgo still does, its just a matter of how the devs want to make their game, i dont see how people think they are creating their games wrong
prime pine
People like aspects of realism that dont get in the way of the experience. If they wanted full on realism they would play hell let loose
main grove
Health attrition could just be largely nerfed like I said
solid hinge
More of a challenge
brave coral
i don’t mind the health system personally
stoic breach
CSGO works better without health regen because it's supposed to be competitive, TTK is low, and its 5v5
Battlefield is 32v32
And theres alot of counter-play without health regen
CSGO works without it
brave coral
although i think a nice system could be that you do regen to full but it takes a while and the med pack does it much quicker
dense bone
theres a lot of logical conclusions to why things are the way they are, doesnt mean you can have a 32v32 game with no health regen
solid hinge
Health attrition is good
dense bone
i bet people would have said health regen in a BR is bad but look at warzone
main grove
Health attrition would be alright with it being a bit less harsh
prime pine
Honestly of they restored full regen i wouldnt mind them slowing down the heal speeds as long as we can get back to full health without the assistance of medics or outside sources.
open surge
my problem with no regen in bf is
stoic breach
Yeah Warzone has some nice concepts because it pushes players more towards FFA than BR
queen canopy
@dense bone Warzone is CoD, what do you expect?
open surge
you can take damage from absolutely fucking nowhere
solid hinge
If you complain about health attrition then dice should bring out the attrition before being able to carry a medpack
queen canopy
Most casual game in existence
brave coral
FFA?
queen canopy
Ofc it has health regen
stoic breach
"Casual" is like
dense bone
@queen canopy i expect game devs to make the games they want... thats it
main grove
If they remove attrition then they would have to remove the health pack
dense bone
im not knocking warzone for having it
stoic breach
Used as such a gatekeeper term
prime pine
You can literally delay normal health regen to 15 secs to insentivise using med kits as a way to quickly start regenerating health
solid hinge
It was health regen now but without medpack
brave coral
yeah @prime pine
stoic breach
BR with health regen is such a good idea
solid hinge
Health attrition was more nasty than it is now
stoic breach
Because it means people will actually risk engagements
queen canopy
Just encourages running away if you ask me
stoic breach
And shoot at eachother
main grove
Does Warzone have a fast TTK (for a BR)
stoic breach
In an FPS
brave coral
have it so you can just hang back for a bit and you will regen up to full
queen canopy
Getting shot? Just run away and heal
stoic breach
Its like middling TTK
brave coral
it’s up there for sure @main grove
dense bone
@main grove maybe a little longer than most
solid hinge
BFV: The Ultimate Walking Sim.
prime pine
Br is completely different
coral fiber
The new armoury rotation is not shit this time
brave coral
the SMGs absolutely shred through you
stoic breach
Its not regular CoD TTK but its faster than Apex for example
prime pine
Yeah
brave coral
like the MP7 just burns
prime pine
Watcha think of the corsair skins pilot
queen canopy
Yeah holy fuck armory looking kinda thicc
dense bone
aug and m4 iirc have the fastest TTK for warzone
coral fiber
They're good but can't afford them
queen canopy
Carnival is wack
coral fiber
The carnival one is troll worthy
prime pine
Night raid is soo cool
queen canopy
Night fighter looks good though
prime pine
Just wish there were more hahaha
brave coral
@queen canopy Carnival is actually (mostly) accurate
stoic breach
Yeah health regen is necessary in a 32v32 game
queen canopy
I wish there were more fighter skins
brave coral
weirdly enough
queen canopy
Wait what really??
coral fiber
the flying clown
queen canopy
What the fuck was the navy smoking?
stoic breach
If you were getting shot by a tank, even if you could regen to 100hp, you would still run the fuck away
solid hinge
Health regen should stay the same as bf V
stoic breach
Its just that health regen would let you get back into the action after a little breather
solid hinge
It also makes the medic worth more
stoic breach
Medic as a walking health station is such a fucking stupid and outdated concept
prime pine
Medic is already important
coral fiber
Almost at rank 160
With only 22k CC
stoic breach
Its always like "uhh this is a team game"
coral fiber
open surge
medic is important cos they get smokes and cqb weapons
solid hinge
Medics are pretty good on ps4 I always get ammo and health
stoic breach
If you play with other people
wet fossil
The more medics there are, the higher their chances of winning.
Only downside is they can't do shit all to armour.
queen canopy
But yeah armory this week looks nice
stoic breach
People always get stuck on this concept of "cant get health back without medic"
queen canopy
Might have to buy some boins
stoic breach
But like
open surge
just don't be all medics as Japan on Pacific breakthrough...
stoic breach
Medic still has healing syringe
open surge
you need assaults.
prime pine
Assaults are valuable on pacific war
stoic breach
If you die, not like you're gonna come back without a medic
solid hinge
Medic means more now
prime pine
Medic has always meant a lot
solid hinge
All it meant before was reviving players which most people just skipped
stoic breach
Even if the game had health regen to 100hp, medic would still matter purely because of the existence of revives
prime pine
And subbies
solid hinge
Most people skip revives
prime pine
Play for the weapons anyways
solid hinge
Medic should be more than reviving
stoic breach
It shouldnt
brave coral
i think best solution would be having a longer full regen, which can be accelerated significantly by using a mrs pack or standing near a medic crate
solid hinge
It should heal
stoic breach
Because its an outdated concept to force players to zerg together
prime pine
Revving blueberries gets you killed most of the time
stoic breach
In a game where zerging gets easily punished by vehicles
solid hinge
Battlefield you are supposed to push an objective together
prime pine
You should see the medic train zergs here
stoic breach
Yeah, that is completely independent of forcing players to zerg
prime pine
Nobody works together as you leave the objective completely barren
stoic breach
People will attack an objective because they want to attack an objective
Forcing players together doesnt solve anything
Because they will do it naturally
wet fossil
There's not much in the way of incentives to defend.
brave coral
if this is conquest, i think it’s always been zerg simulator
stoic breach
Flag defence doesnt exist because its boring as fuck
solid hinge
Vehicles arnt too bad foor medic
brave coral
basically everyone clumps at the middle objectives
queen canopy
The amount of times I see people abandon an objective after capturing it is painful
coarse thunder
Yeah defending a random objective means jack shit. That guy would be better off on the contested flag
stoic breach
Its always atttacking objectives because thats how you get kills
wet fossil
BF1 gave you a set amount of points at certain intervals depending on how many CPs you owned.
stoic breach
Its why modes like Breakthrough and Frontlines are so good
open surge
we have captured objective Anton
stoic breach
Because you're always on the offensive
coarse thunder
Who cares if you have to recap, chances are the enemy has left for the rest of the frontline anyway
brave coral
you’re not going to sit around defending your gimme point when the fighting is halfway across the map
open surge
5 mins later, WE ARE LOSING OBJECTIVE ANTON
prime pine
Breakthrough pacific storm in a tank is so much fun
brave coral
especially on medium maps
prime pine
Just anchor the fort and get tonnes of points
queen canopy
5 minutes? More like 5 seconds
stoic breach
Conquest as ring-around-the-rosie is the nature of players wanting to shoot other players in an FPS
Its literally what people buy the game for
brave coral
also
solid hinge
Its not just because you shoot other players
queen canopy
Conquest honestly is only good for vehicles
coarse thunder
"It's for the friends we made along the way"
brave coral
because everyone else zergs, trying to hold an objective normally means you die because you’re there minding your own business and then enemies all descend on you
solid hinge
What
queen canopy
So much backcapping
stoic breach
Yeah
queen canopy
Really only good if you want to fuck around in a vehicle
brave coral
it’s why i don’t play conquest
queen canopy
I mainly play breakthrough
brave coral
Frontlines, Rush, Breakthrough
stoic breach
BT is good yeah
solid hinge
Conquest is battlefield pretty much
brave coral
best modes
stoic breach
"Conquest is Battlefield" is just super lame
brave coral
‘conquest is battlefield’ is outdated
queen canopy
^
stoic breach
It means Battlefield was never really good to begin with
brave coral
it’s not any more
solid hinge
It's what made battlefield good
brave coral
battlefield is definitely shifting towards the one-sided offensives
stoic breach
Which is for the best
queen canopy
And the fast and furious franchise used to be about racing, what’s your point?
brave coral
it’s what battlefield was established on
stoic breach
Pushing players to attack eachother is great
brave coral
doesn’t mean it’s the best
queen canopy
It’s what MW basically copies
brave coral
it probably plays a bit better if you’ve got helis and stuff, but still far from great
queen canopy
And look how that turned out
brave coral
helis is breakthrough
brave coral
that will be fun for the next game which lets face it will have helis
stoic breach
Cant forget about that
queen canopy
It’s too cluttered
stoic breach
Breakthrough Helis
queen canopy
The objectives are basically in a little clump or in a line
queen canopy
So much unused space
stoic breach
Yeah
hoary condor
10/10 Marita is a bad map
stoic breach
Well thats another thing
main grove
wouldn't breakthrough helis die in an instant
stoic breach
Breakthrough/Frontlines let you use all the space in a large map
dense bone
i actually like marita, what dont people like?
stoic breach
Because everyone is focussed into little bite sized pieces
brave coral
that’s the thing @main grove
hoary condor
small, campy places
stoic breach
Marita is fun on TDM/DOM
main grove
Awkward vertical sightlines
stoic breach
But sucks on everything else
hoary condor
operation underground next 
queen canopy
Put like Kharkov River or whatever against like Arras and just look at the difference in objective placement
brave coral
it’s probably a high risk high reward thing if you’re good at them
stoic breach
Yeah
dense bone
ive only played marita on conquest, and im purely run n gun, and i think its a blast
queen canopy
Marita can be fun
brave coral
like zoom over, lay down a bunch of fire, and skedaddle
stoic breach
The best feeling ones are always ones that are circular
Because you can travel between objectives easily
And uniformly
queen canopy
Sure
main grove
devastation
main grove
twisted steel isn't that great on conquest as a soldier
dense bone
i mean, do we want all maps to follow the same idea or some variation?
queen canopy
Yeah
open surge
Devastation is best map.
main grove
they need to make more transports
queen canopy
Little variation ye
solid hinge
Twisted steel is good
wet fossil
I despise Marita.
stoic breach
Well thats the general problem with conquest
queen canopy
I love Panzerstorm, frankly I want more maps like that
dense bone
id pref huge variation
open surge
same
wet fossil
No matter where you are, there will be a sniper or machine gun above you.
stoic breach
All of the most popular maps can be boiled down to easy rotations
brave coral
i like that more maps are being designed with breakthrough in mind
open surge
More tank fight maps
solid hinge
Hamada is good
stoic breach
So you can play ring around the rosie better
queen canopy
More open maps
prime pine
Marita with model 37!
wet fossil
And all the goddamn shrubbery.
brave coral
imagine the Tirailleur maps in Breakthrough
stoic breach
Which is why Frontlines/Breakthrough are truly the way forward for Battlefield
queen canopy
I like that feeling of having to use cover to navigate large open field
brave coral
the Dragon’s Teeth map
stoic breach
Because they can be in any map design
wet fossil
I hate asymmetric modes.
brave coral
that would be sick
stoic breach
And will always be unique
solid hinge
Tiralleur maps in breakthrough would be hot
brave coral
assymetric modes are way better
wet fossil
Defending's a bitch and attacking's worse.
gray saffron
Conquest is bf's main mode :(
dense bone
as long as they dont outright get rid of conquest, conquest has always and probably will always be bfs game mode
and i reallllly doubt dice is just gonna axe conquest
prime pine
Hey jer you been playing some bf5 as of late?
brave coral
they wouldn’t axe it
gray saffron
I've been doing some rush lately as its now this weeks stuff, why??
hoary condor
dam the type 2a is stil op
wet fossil
Conquest continues to be the most reliable and popular mode.
prime pine
Fuck
brave coral
but i think shifting the focus to asymmetric modes is good
queen canopy
Gwease gun
gray saffron
Greaser tiem?
queen canopy
UwU
stoic breach
Conquest is only popular because its been in the game for so long
brave coral
yeah
stoic breach
And you can do whatever the fuck you want
solid hinge
Type 2a burst fire is beastly
hoary condor
wish rush stayed perm
cloud storm
Conquest is trash
wet fossil
It's popular because it has flexibility.
brave coral
it plays like shit normally
stoic breach
Which is pretty much also Frontlines
dense bone
idk how console plays but on pc 2a is shit beyond 25m
stoic breach
Yeah, it plays like absolute ass
queen canopy
People like that sandbox feel
stoic breach
But people love it
queen canopy
I don’t usually
cloud storm
Enemies cap B, you cap C, everyone just rotates and caps flags
wet fossil
Which is a hell of a lot more than I can say for Frontlines, which is basically a bunch of assholes running headlong into each other until one of them gives up.
queen canopy
All comes down to personal preference
gray saffron
Conquest isch best mode exactly cause its so samdboxy. Sandboxy is what makes battlefield battlefield uwu
prime pine
Oh man i cant wait till frontlines comes back
stoic breach
Well the sandbox feel is barely in the game anymore
cloud storm
Nobody actually holds a flag
solid hinge
G have you tried burst firing thee type 2a
wild hearth
?
brave coral
conquest i think is only good if you’re playing in a premade
stoic breach
Conquest is more "zerging" than "sandboxy"
queen canopy
Some people like doing whatever, some people like that feeling of shifting lines like on Frontlines or Breakthrough
dense bone
@solid hinge if youre burst firing 2a anyone using any other weapon should be able to kill you if they are even decent
wet fossil
Conquest Assault is the worst.
stoic breach
Do people really spend much time launching vehicles anymore
brave coral
it’s only sandbox with a squad where you mess about
wet fossil
Always ends in a stomp for one side or the other.
queen canopy
I do occasionally lul
solid hinge
Burst fire at range and full auto in close areas
brave coral
@stoic breach yes, even in BT
prime pine
Hamada was built for c assault
dense bone
yea, you should still lose...
queen canopy
I launched a Bren carrier over the Marita castle before
stoic breach
I mean yeah its good fun
wet fossil
And everyone hated it.
prime pine
Then it got scrapped
solid hinge
I do fine
dense bone
if someone loses to a burst firing 2a at range they suck
brave coral
surprisingly effective to get a landing boat to the shore quickly on Pacific maps
stoic breach
I think all of that could just be solved with Frontlines or BT
prime pine
Then wake island came out which i think is the best version of it
dense bone
your "fine" is not my fine
stoic breach
And just have large maps in segments
fleet spruce
Jesus christ my phone is going mental and I know why
brave coral
fuckin yeet a boat a couple hundred metres
wet fossil
Hamada's bad enough when you don't have to worry about taking over an entire map all at once.
prime pine
Hamada should be redone
brave coral
Hamada isn’t conquest Assault anymore
solid hinge
Porn viruses on your phone
wet fossil
They should make Airborne a seperate mode.
fleet spruce
Or a tank separate mode
wet fossil
Like Rush, just with a more interesting gimmick.
brave coral
Airborne would be cool as a LTM
queen canopy
Thing is, would people play it?
prime pine
Yeah tano. Then again, Airborne isnt really a good gamemode
wet fossil
Instead it's relegated to grand ops and literally nobody plays that.
stoic breach
Airborne should just be a part of Breakthrough
brave coral
if you made it an LTM people would play
brave coral
or yeah, that would be nice @stoic breach
gray saffron
Airborne should be a standalone mode
stoic breach
Yeah
solid hinge
Airborne was a really nice feature but grand ops wasn't
wet fossil
It'd be good way to show off those new German drop aircraft...
eager shore
Airborne is basically Rush with different rules.
queen canopy
Al Sundan is so good
solid hinge
Grand ops was good untill you realise that germans sit on the same plane as the british
brave coral
frontlines and rush are weird in that the way they’re available means they don’t play at full potential
wet fossil
Fuck man, seriously, why did they let that fly.
prime pine
Budget constraints
stoic breach
Frontlines could've been really good if they expanded the mode
wet fossil
It's Battlefield.
coarse thunder
Grand ops is a great idea just wasn't implemented too well I think
wet fossil
What they needed was time.
queen canopy
Time constraints
gray saffron
I see the pun, cmdr
stoic breach
Like, making massive sprawling maps and breaking them up into smaller sections
brave coral
because people only play them every now and then, so they don’t get the ins and outs of it (ie fucking pound the objective from the word go else you lose it)
solid hinge
And when you are british in airborne thee soldiers on thee plane speak German sometimes
stoic breach
So you get the scale of Battlefield but with tigher infantry gameplay
prime pine
Just realised that pun as well LOL
coarse thunder
Blowing up the artillery guns is......uhh....not very good, let's say
queen canopy
EA saw what a success BF1 was and was like “aye yo we need some more of that shit, you’ve got a year”
wet fossil
We don't even have so much as a single fully British uniform yet.
stoic breach
Its like, if Provence was just a small section of a larger map
wet fossil
At least give us something brown
stoic breach
Or even better
prime pine
Them giving bf1 uniforms would be fucking nice
coarse thunder
is it akkracy o'clock?
queen canopy
Provence only has a section of it actually playable though
brave coral
built up town area surrounded by brightly coloured fields
solid hinge
You can get a darker brown for the base outfits
queen canopy
None of the rest of it is designed to be remotely playable
stoic breach
Have a mode where you get a few minutes to capture best of 3 flags in a sector
Losing side loses a sector and winning side gains a sector
queen canopy
So....basically fortress?
brave coral
yeah, but it would be nice to expand it
wet fossil
WW1 uniforms would've been a nice bonus for BF1 players.
stoic breach
With more fortifications
brave coral
@stoic breach Frontlines Conquest?
queen canopy
Idk how I feel about WW1 uniforms in BFV
stoic breach
More like Frontlines Domination
brave coral
yeah i guess
wet fossil
They're closer to reality than what we're running right now...
stoic breach
So you can get large(ish) sections for vehicles, but the map is still broken up into appropriately sized sectors
brave coral
@queen canopy
ww1 weapons? 
ww1 uniforms? 
queen canopy
Or like breakthrough but if the attacking team runs out of tickets, the other team goes on the offensive?
queen canopy
That’d be kind of cool
queen canopy
Idk if the maps would be large enough but yeah could work
stoic breach
That would fill the "conquest" quota while making sure maps get appropriate sizes and gameplay
brave coral
that does actually sound quite cool
wet fossil
I swear there's a piece of art somewhere showing the loadout screen with Günter wearing what looks distinctly like Great War era red markings on his outfit.
Gave the impression of an old soldier called up when it got desperate.
stoic breach
Cause domination is actually a great mode
gray saffron
Ugh, worst mode in bfv you mean
queen canopy
I played TDM once
stoic breach
Frontlines domination with vehicles and 64 players would be nice
queen canopy
It was cancerous
stoic breach
Domination as a concept is a good mode
solid hinge
You dislike Conquest but like domination
brave coral
yeast @stoic breach
solid hinge
wet fossil
Domination and Squad Conquest are basically the same thing, aren't they?
stoic breach
No flag spawning
stoic breach
So its automatically better
prime pine
Tell me
queen canopy
Squad conquest has tanks
main grove
I like the idea of frontlines breakthrough
brave coral
definitely not @wet fossil
solid hinge
You don't have gas mask
main grove
Would be a cool 64 player mode
gray saffron
One isn't wearing a gasmask @prime pine
coarse thunder
All the soldiers look the exact same
prime pine
We all got shotgun
stoic breach
Yeah
solid hinge
No
brave coral
i was thinking
coarse thunder
And tbf theyre a squad so whatever goes really
prime pine
Hey! Fuck you! I dont NEED gasmask to be stylish. 😠
solid hinge
You are a nightmare squad
brave coral
lotta shotguns
queen canopy
Friendship ended with SHOTGUN
prime pine
SHOTGUN!
stoic breach
64 player frontlines with 3 flags a sector on a map as large as Hamada would be alright
queen canopy
GEWEHR 43 is my friend now
prime pine
stoic breach
Like chaotic but still contained
solid hinge
I would hate your squad rushing thee caves on iwo jima
stoic breach
Because every player is still generally in the same area
And each team gets 100 tickets per sector
prime pine
Temp said this earlier when i joined his game
brave coral
two way breakthrough lmao
queen canopy
Aight imma go stuff my face
stoic breach
Yeah man
queen canopy
I haven’t eaten all day
stoic breach
Two-way Breakthrough would be hilariously chaotic
prime pine
I somehow make model 37 work on solomon islands
stoic breach
I would love that
solid hinge
2way breakthrough is pretty much frontlines
brave coral
Solomon is good for shotguns
stoic breach
Yeah but what I'm saying
wind shale
Shotgun all about dodge and weave
brave coral
@solid hinge yeah but with two objectives per sector lmao
prime pine
I mean noob, you spawn on a spawn beacon and one of us'll chase you into the fucking corner with a lunge mine
solid hinge
I make model 37 work on hamada some times
wind shale
Run that serpentine
main grove
Each sector has 2 or 3 objectives
gray saffron
You sheep.i trusted you to stay unique. Not join the dark side, my young padauwu @prime pine
stoic breach
Is frontlines with 2 or 3 flags per sector, and the team with more flags would gain a new sector
main grove
and there's like a few ways to win the sector
solid hinge
I been chased by lunge mine before
stoic breach
Within the time/kill limit
main grove
like mini games of domination
solid hinge
It's scary
main grove
to advance sectors
stoic breach
Then again I just came up with this idea on the spot so I literally havent had that much time to think it through
queen canopy
I played Solomon Islands last night and realized I forgot how much loved flamethrowers
brave coral
i think basically domination but if you lose a ‘round’ you get pushed back would be cool
wind shale
Not a bad idea but
prime pine
But i prefer no headgear most of the time
gray saffron
Obi set?
solid hinge
Bf1 gas mask op
brave coral
which is what you’re saying essentially
queen canopy
Please no gas grenades
queen canopy
Not again
solid hinge
I want gas grenades
brave coral
Oni
prime pine
Oni
wind shale
Shouldnt be given prio over the game actually having permanent 32 player modes
prime pine
Fuck
solid hinge
As annoying as they were they were great
brave coral
gas grenades are no
gray saffron
Ahh xd
brave coral
it doesn’t make sense in ww2
solid hinge
Ik
wet fossil
I was in the cave at D on Iwo Jima, hiding in just the right spot that the enemy tanks couldn't get me but also couldn't leave without me capping.
wet fossil
Every so often, a guy would come in and I'd kick his ass.
brave coral
oof
solid hinge
Battlefield hardline gas
wet fossil
Then one came running in with a lunge mine.
spring isle
Once was in a tank as gunner and had 8 enemies run out from the trees with lunge mines
solid hinge
Bf6 is war crime simulator
wet fossil
Straight into my squadmate's face, who had just spawned in.
solid hinge
I can see it alreadu
coarse thunder
War crimes really wouldn't be fun
gray saffron
Bfs always been about warcrimes
solid hinge
Squad call in be a nuke
coarse thunder
Just constantly gunning down children
wet fossil
Blew me off the ledge down that ladder on the left side.
brave coral
i like that clip of Jackfrags playing Warzone saying ‘i think i just committed a war crime’
wet fossil
Survived, barely.
main grove
"bf6 will be dark gritty and realistic"
game just devolves into russia/china bad again
solid hinge
Running into school with m60
wind shale
2a is a war crime 
main grove
like every military shooter
wet fossil
I healed up, got back up there, beat the shit out of the attacker, and got the revive.
brave coral
@solid hinge i think he calls in an airstrike on a downed guy
solid hinge
Lol
wet fossil
Then the top scoring infantry showed up and did that thing where they just inexplicably kill you with zero effort.
solid hinge
Yeah that's a war crime
wet fossil
I specify top scoring infantry because the enemy's top scorers in general were fucking tankers as usual.
prime pine
Oh tano
brave coral
HP?
main grove
Hollow Point
prime pine
Wanna know who's fun to piss off?
wind shale
Call in a v1 on a lone sniper camping in spawn
main grove
It basically deforms a lot
the bullet is hollow and opened
so when it punctures skin
It becomes a much larger jagged piece of metal
prime pine
Hollow pointe will spread out the front on contact
main grove
that causes far more damage than a regular bullet
prime pine
No penetration but against flesh its fucked
main grove
Yeah a lot of games do it as
HP no penetration but high flesh damage
AP less flesh damage but high penetration
wet fossil
God seriously I just want my Corsair to have its full load of rockets so I can do more than scratch the enemy tanks,
But I only just got it up to rank 3.
wind shale
How much does Chad glide bomb do to tanks
main grove
like 93
wet fossil
I want to fuck up those camping shits.
queen canopy
I hate how pacific planes work tbh
prime pine
You got alright eyes tano?
main grove
Pacific planes roll really fast now
It actually got me killed
Since i was close the ground
and I rolled way more than i thought i would
queen canopy
Yeah but they’re so damn floaty
solid hinge
I want a two seat pacific plane
queen canopy
I wish they’d added the Dauntless and like the Val or Kate
wet fossil
Rockets aren't great against infantry, I find.
queen canopy
Instead of end-all-be-all corsairs
wet fossil
Better luck hitting them with the MGs.
main grove
Pacific planes by the fact that the health symbol looks like a bomber are programmed on bomber physics
wind shale
Dont you get like 8 of them
wind shale
Blanket those nerds
wet fossil
If I get the right converging I can take them out.
prime pine
Converging is annoying
wet fossil
But to be that precise I need good lighting and LODs
wind shale
Rockets took some getting used to
prime pine
Its slightly easier due to the spotting thing
wet fossil
And that ain't reliable with this damn game.
wind shale
With the drop
prime pine
Is there seriously an oceanic server going on right now tano?
prime pine
I know. Which is why im asking cause it sounds like you're playing right now
wind shale
I feel like half this discord is aussie lmao
prime pine
We got raze, axes, tano, i, dustin
queen canopy
🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
main grove
Are usually very into it
wind shale
Expensive games must be fun
main grove
You get far less people just playing absent mindedly as in EU or US
prime pine
Its fun killing the triple digit players
wind shale
I think I've met like 1 pc west coaster on here
wet fossil
Even with fibre, if I can somehow get it.
queen canopy
Xbox East Coast here
prime pine
Honestly i just want to play in the u.s flawlessly and punt swat into the ground
queen canopy
Yo
wet fossil
I feel like BF1 behaved better with lag than V.
wind shale
I assume yall get better ping on asian servers than na
queen canopy
Fuck SWAT
stoic breach
Fuck every clan, man
queen canopy
Bunch o monkeys
prime pine
Their stacks seem worse than DWE
queen canopy
We used to stack until servers came out
prime pine
Its at least 3-4 squads from what i see
wet fossil
Christ, the stackers around here are awful.
queen canopy
We used to fill entire teams lol
wet fossil
187, 2EZY, DWE
stoic breach
Especially with BFV's gameplay catering specifically for clans
wind shale
What's the fun of stacking anyways other then as a gimmick
wind shale
Stomps get real old
main grove
2EZY sounds like a fuckboi clan
wet fossil
No autobalance prevents them from getting split up proper.
queen canopy
7MD gang
prime pine
AHAHAHA STUPID DOG LYMPHONA
stoic breach
Yeah basically
prime pine
YEAH KICK ME FROM THE SQUAD RAT
stoic breach
Yeah BFV was made for clans
main grove
My mate made a clan just for himself
stoic breach
Thats just it
main grove
And called it SKET
stoic breach
Which is why it sucks so much to play solo
Unless you like getting assfucked by attrition
Which some people clearly do
wet fossil
2EZY has an annoying habit of clanstomping, but some of them are okay personalities.
main grove
Which is another way of saying sl*t
prime pine
2ezy are nice
wind shale
Kek
wet fossil
But damn I hate their aesthetic.
prime pine
But yeah they tend to overdo it
stoic breach
Oh yeah Bodie
prime pine
Hmm
stoic breach
Remember when we played
prime pine
Im in game so ill lurk
stoic breach
And we swapped guns
prime pine
Yes
stoic breach
And broke the matches we played
wet fossil
She's one of the best damn medics in Oceania.
wet fossil
Oh, she revives the fuck out of everyone.
Even under the heaviest fire.
It's crazy.
wet fossil
I've seen her literally dodging shells as she sprints towards me.
cloud storm
Wut
stoic breach
Or whatever you have interact as
wet fossil
Don't hold, that causes gun stealing
prime pine
She's a good friend
wet fossil
Very nice sort to be in a party with, for sure.
We actually work together really well.
prime pine
If anyones scum here
stoic breach
Man hearing about this cooperation sort of makes me wanna play the game but then I would just get depressed playing solo
stoic breach
Actually I wouldnt play solo
wet fossil
If there's someone that makes me go "oh, fuck off" the instant I see them, it's Picko SJ
stoic breach
Because I would only be able to play with other people
queen canopy
It was weird
wet fossil
I don't know a damn thing about his personality.
But he's always in a goddamn tank or plane.
solid hinge
Hello,why is this game so trash?
wet fossil
And he just won't die.
solid hinge
Who tf balance this shit
prime pine
Menacemurphy is nice
wet fossil
And he will always have a full retinue of 187s with him.
solid hinge
The flight mechanics in BFV have got to be the worst in the series
stoic breach
They are
queen canopy
How so?
stoic breach
Floaty
solid hinge
Why you guys all trash and happy with 1.2kd and 0.8kpm
wet fossil
Well, there's no such thing as a proper dogfight in this one.
queen canopy
The pacific planes are floaty as hell
Ehh dunno about that
I’ve had my fair share of legitimate dogfights
wet fossil
The one strategy that works reliably? Stalling.
stoic breach
DIVE BREAK
wet fossil
It's basically the one chance you have to get a tail off once you pick it up.
stoic breach
Is dive break still meta
solid hinge
Vehicles overall in BFV are just underwhelming
stoic breach
Wouldnt be surprised
queen canopy
Two if someone does it just keep your speed up, fly up past them, then dive down on them while they’re still struggling to get their speed back
wet fossil
No other way, aside from flying in circles around your team's resupply on the Pacific maps and waiting for them to run out of ammo while you abuse quick repair.
queen canopy
You can out DPS the quick repairs with good aim
solid hinge
In BF3/4, if you were at a certain speed, you could turn faster than the guy behind you
wet fossil
Not if you're turning a tight enough circle.
queen canopy
Same case in BFV my guy
wet fossil
You only get a few shots off.
solid hinge
It wasnt just hold S to win
queen canopy
It’s all about aim
wet fossil
Until eventually either someone gets him off or he gets bored.
queen canopy
I see people do it all the time and I counter it no problem
It’s literally a matter of experience
keen spade
also i think its safe to say chapter 7 will include the m1941 johnosn since the weapon is well mostly finished and almost ready to go
queen canopy
Johnson rifle looks pretty cool
keen spade
also our first soviet weapon looks mostly finish
queen canopy
Also on pacific maps if you get any sort of broadside shot on an enemy (like turning in a tight circle) you can absolutely shred them
keen spade
we got more pictures of the LAD LMG
also two new vehicles for the germans and british
winter basin
i want eastern front so baaaaaaaaaaaaaaad
queen canopy
Next chapter is most likely US in Europe if you ask me
keen spade
i think so as well
queen canopy
Eastern front is likely a ways off
winter basin
or that bro i just want new content
keen spade
Chapter 8 or 9 will most likely be the soviets
gentle marsh
i got beans greens tomatoes potatoes
winter basin
chapter 6 is sooooo sooo boring content wise
queen canopy
Yeah I had a feeling it would be from the start
queen canopy
Did we not?
wind shale
we get one week of fun with rush i guess
winter basin
im waiting for the mariner and ambusher sets i hope they will be cc
queen canopy
Ohhh
winter basin
doppel schush
queen canopy
The doppelschuss
winter basin
something like that
brave coral
Doppelschüss was planned for this coming week
winter basin
yeah that
keen spade
but it makes sense why
brave coral
but had to be pulled bc of some major bug with it
keen spade
"Cough" Covid-19 "Cough"
brave coral
probably spots the entire team permanently or something lmao
@keen spade nah it was pulled or at least delayed before this whole thing
stoic breach
Whats the doppelschus
queen canopy
Double barrel flare gun
winter basin
so what would you guys like to see in US europe
stoic breach
I haven't really kept up lately
brave coral
flare gun @stoic breach
queen canopy
Flares stick to things
winter basin
market garden dday or aachen hurtgen forest
queen canopy
But not people
winter basin
theres alot
queen canopy
Honestly anything
brave coral
you can tell it was supposed to be next week bc theres a challenge to damage people with flares
queen canopy
I just want more Europe in general
keen spade
also there is a new tank body mod for the PZ.38
queen canopy
I love maps like arras and Panzerstorm and want more of that
winter basin
italy would be nice too if u ask me