battlefield-legacy-titles

[stoic breach]

Hrec has always been entirely random

[fresh cypress]

just pull tf down

[stoic breach]

Even pre-5.2

[shy badger]

There's randomness but an overall pattern

[solid hinge]

randomize THIS

[feral glade]

but the suomi has massive recoil

[stoic breach]

Its less of a pattern and more of a bias

[solid hinge]

throws knife

[feral glade]

ouch!

[stoic breach]

Choosing the recoil pattern of your weapon in Battlefield 1 is practically the same effect

In terms of visual recoil

[strong parrot]

knife misses

[solid hinge]

https://youtu.be/toQSnfVebV4

[strong parrot]

squadmates spawn

[feral glade]

dice did mention before the game came out that we would have to learn the patterns for each weapon

[solid hinge]

its ok

the knife is made out of paper now

[stoic breach]

Yeah but thats just advertising

Genius advertising too actually

Dumb down gunplay from BF1 and just tell people its more difficult

Really genius marketing

[solid carbon]

i miss the only throwing knife 1hit range

[tall rampart]

I hate they went for a competitive angle with BF5, I enjoyed BF1 so much because it was more casual

[feral glade]

acxtually i did some test against wall at different distances with different weapons..i conclude that the pattern not only varies by weapon but by player as well...some feather some go full auto

[solid hinge]

I dont think that knife even hurt him

[feral glade]

the badass weapons need to be feathered lightly with an easy hand on the mouse

[stoic breach]

Its kind of funny with the whole "casual" argument for BF1

BFV's gunplay was made to be more casual

[tall rampart]

Really?

[stoic breach]

BF1 just didnt make you feel like shit for trying to play "casually"

[feral glade]

itwas aimed at an older crowd

[main grove]

What the fuck does casual even mean

It’s lost it’s meaning

[tall rampart]

I see

Good question actually

[feral glade]

casual means you dont have to work on your skill set

[stoic breach]

I mean

BF1's gunplay was more difficult than BFV

[main grove]

So does casual=bad

[stoic breach]

BFV just looks more difficult

[feral glade]

naw its just a style

[main grove]

BF1’s gunplay was more subtle

[feral glade]

not everyone can offord to play everyday

[main grove]

Spread is a subtle mechanic

[novel blaze]

gun gameplay in hardline was the best

[tall rampart]

Well their is that filthy causal meme

[main grove]

In terms of how each gun differs

[feral glade]

i quit for weeks at a time then have to relearn how to aim properly

[stoic breach]

Yeah BF1's spread model capped weapon ranges and accuracy

If your gun had too much random spread at a certain range, it meant you were using the wrong gun for that range

[feral glade]

exactly razen

[icy sluice]

Cei Rigotti

[stoic breach]

ye

[feral glade]

in bfv its the same...each weapon is designed for particular player styles

[icy sluice]

Good luck using that at ranges

[stoic breach]

Cei Rigotti was just a good weapon in general

[novel blaze]

these 90iq gamers in iwo jima were fighting on two sides mean while i did a 200iq play

[stoic breach]

But yeah, it was better for midrange

[feral glade]

you find your sweet weapon..your good no more griefing

[stoic breach]

yeah

[feral glade]

most people want a universal weapon

[novel blaze]

i dont like the jungle map

[tall rampart]

Yeah, I just miss the variety of weapons people used in BF1, felt like no gun was left unused

[feral glade]

i love that map...what is it you dont like??

[stoic breach]

But pretty much all weapons in BFV have really good base spread, which is fine cause you arent hard-capped by a range, but because of the spread system, people get the impression weak guns at range are actually good at range

(5.0) like Sten/MP40

[icy sluice]

I never died to the mosin in BF1

[solid carbon]

i did

[stoic breach]

Alot of guns were definitely under-used though

[icy sluice]

Lewis

[tall rampart]

Well, I at least used every gun at some point

[stoic breach]

Nobody used the Vetterli even though it was really good

[icy sluice]

I only saw low levels use the Lewis

[stoic breach]

It was the closest you could get to a BF4 ghetto-shotgun sniper

[feral glade]

hell inever even bother to use 70% of the weapons

[stoic breach]

Because of the 20m sweetspot

[tall rampart]

I use the Vetterli, I love it

[stoic breach]

Yeah its fantastic

Real underdog sniper

[tall rampart]

Mosin, Is alright too

[solid carbon]

it gets boring if you only use certain weapons everytime you play imo

[severe jetty]

I just got BF1

[stoic breach]

Also General Liu and Howell Automatic were pretty underrated

[severe jetty]

whoops off topic

[stoic breach]

AL8.35 was pretty underrated

[tall rampart]

General Liu was very interesting and I never got the hang of the Howell

[stoic breach]

Yeah I dont like using the Howell just cause I always preferred the RSC

Everyone always just used the Fedorov Avtomat

[tall rampart]

I preferred the Selbslater 1916 myself

[stoic breach]

Even though it was the worst medic weapon, it was easy to use

So people thought it was the best

[solid carbon]

the selbstlader 1916 was insane in bf1, but trash in bfv now

[stoic breach]

Yeah the 1916 was nice in BF1

[tall rampart]

Fedorov was fun to use

[stoic breach]

I never really jammed with it

Just wasnt fun

[solid carbon]

fedorov was just ez mode

[tall rampart]

Yeah

[stoic breach]

Well it felt easy

[solid hinge]

1916 isnt awful in bfv

[balmy condor]

faquhar hill was 👌

[stoic breach]

But it was the weakest SLR in BF1

[solid hinge]

Kill times aren't competitive but the magsize is really nice

[tall rampart]

Farquhar hill I never got down either

[solid carbon]

i loved the 1916 with the old ttk

[balmy condor]

i loved the hill

[solid hinge]

it being 225rpm with 3-4btk isnt.. incredible

[tall rampart]

I need to try the 1916 and 1906 more in BF5, I actually got a bipod on the 1906

[balmy condor]

the automatico was amazing tho

[open surge]

brrrrt

[stoic breach]

Other underrated weapons include the RSC SMG, Madsen, M1903 Experimental

M1912/p.16

[open surge]

RSC SMG

[tall rampart]

Automatico and SMG 08 were fun as hell to use

[stoic breach]

RSC SMG was one of the hidden god guns of the game

It was extremely strong

[tall rampart]

I agree 100% with the underrated weapons list

[stoic breach]

But too difficult for most people to use

[balmy condor]

[tall rampart]

Madsen and experimental were good

[stoic breach]

Yea

Especially after the 1903 DOUBLE BUFF

[open surge]

fuck smg 08 and hellriegel

It's all people use

[stoic breach]

Semi auto 3BTK under 10m and bolt action

[minor turtle]

And news about BF 6?

Any

[solid hinge]

Got 44-18 infantry only

[tall rampart]

Probably not for a while

[stoic breach]

SMG08 is one of the meta guns that are actually good

Hellriegel is fun but meh

[minor turtle]

Is it coming this year ?

[stoic breach]

Fedorov is also meh

[tall rampart]

Can we get SMG 08 in BF5 pls, just for shits and giggles

[stoic breach]

Ye

That would be sick

Oh yeah

Model 10A was also meh

Worst shotgun but felt the easiest to use

[tall rampart]

Can we just import the BF1 roster to BF5

I wish I got the standard variant of the Sjögren, I was only able to use the slug

[prime pine]

Fedorov was easy to use and generally extremely good

[tall rampart]

BF1 pistols were really good too

The Repetierpistole feel really weird in BF5

[open surge]

They got halfway there @tall rampart

What with the m1907 and other stuff

[tall rampart]

I know, but honestly I’m not really bothered by all the WW1 guns, It actually makes sense, since some nations weren’t as well equipped as others

[open surge]

yeah I'm not mad about it

m1907 is cool but now the m2 exists

so it's lost it's niche

[tall rampart]

I would at least like to see the MG08 or something like that in the game, and of course the Chauchat and Sjögren

[shy badger]

Imo the m2 is worse than the 1907

[tall rampart]

Yeah, the m2 is pretty meh

[tawny spear]

🦀 🦀 we got crab in this game

I suppose there is a hidden crab rave meme in this game?

[blissful bane]

Alright, got all my bolt action rifles to level 10 except ross

Ross rifle time it is

[open surge]

yeah on wake island

@shy badger extra 10 rounds to use tho

makes that slight difference

[proper sluice]

I just want to kill my self every time I try to do a weapon assignmet

*myself

[tall rampart]

Then don’t do the weapon assignments, that’s what I do

Well, I have minted one gun

[proper sluice]

okey

[tall rampart]

Man, I almost forgot assignments were a thing

[blissful bane]

I'm just getting all my weapons to level 10

LS/26 is a pain to use though

[tall rampart]

I’m just going for rank 4 on all, then 10 on those I enjoy using

2a is going to suck to get rank 4 on, since it’s not that good

[open surge]

well

Time to get driven to depression

MP40 challenges.

I'm like 3/4s there

Only 1 more mint item

[solid hinge]

The m2 carbine actually has the same kills per magazine as the m1907

4btk 20 mag vs 6btk 30 mag

apart from the m2 carbine kills WAY slower

[tall rampart]

I still need to get rank 4 on M2, 2a, M3, BAR, Type 97, Model 37, Type 11 (when I get it), Type 99, Model 8, RSC, 1906, Panzerbüchse, and the pistol carbines

[solid hinge]

for.. no reason

[prime pine]

M1907 is way better

[blissful bane]

LS/26 is sadness to use

[tall rampart]

Really?

[prime pine]

Ls26 isnt even good anymore

[solid hinge]

ls26 had a small period where it was king of all autos

[blissful bane]

I consider it the worst support weapon lol

[solid hinge]

was the only 600rpm gun in 5.2 that was still 4btk

then everything else got buffed

[tall rampart]

Well, I did use it before 5.2 so

[prime pine]

It was better than the Ke7. But now the ke7 is better

Its the best fast auto lmg

[main grove]

KE7 used to be a god gun

At launch

Does no one remember

[tall rampart]

I hated the KE7 during the beta

[prime pine]

It wasnt super but it was more annoying

I thought it was neat but i moved up using other light machine guns

[trail furnace]

I hate the KE7

[main grove]

It was laser accurate so people camped with it a lot

[solid hinge]

I genuinely dont think it was that good, just that it had bipod and no one really knew what they were doing at the start so the ke7 got lots of kills from campers and stuff

plus the other starting weapons weren't anything special

pre-smg buff Sten and the Lee

[prime pine]

I would say the stg1-5 was one of the better AR's

I genuinely mean it

[stoic breach]

Lee is still shit

[prime pine]

With 1X and lightened stock its really good

[stoic breach]

StG1-5 was kind of fun but generally pretty mediocre

[solid hinge]

It won't be shit after they accidentally give it the krag's new velocity

[tall rampart]

I use peep sights on all of my snipers

[solid hinge]

900m/s Lee

[stoic breach]

No sweetspot = still shit

[balmy condor]

i forgot about that

[solid hinge]

[open surge]

Man someone just moved side to side

[balmy condor]

[solid hinge]

should start a betting pool for their bugs in advance

[prime pine]

Sniper rifles will always be crappy picks but at least give them straight pull

[tall rampart]

We got the Ross and Gewehr m95

[solid hinge]

doubled velocity with perma-kill on headshot

[stoic breach]

Perma-kill on headshot would be fine if it was within the bodyshot sweetspot

Sweetspot buffs all aspects of the sniper

[tall rampart]

The Model 8, ZH, and RSC will probably be my main recon weapons after I finish my road to rank 4 stuff

[solid hinge]

I refuse to give up my headshots

I refuse!!!

[stoic breach]

You will forever be using a bad weapon badly

[raw orbit]

Remember at the start when everyone said medic was trash

Loool

[solid hinge]

Yes.

But at least it will be an annoying bad weapon

[raw orbit]

Fuck those nerds I was a suomi main day 1

[stoic breach]

You can just use the jungle carbine though

[solid hinge]

Need those gadgets

[prime pine]

Rsc

[stoic breach]

Suomi main day 1 is epic

[prime pine]

Was really good. I want its old 180 rpm

[stoic breach]

Remember when it could also extend its range slightly with burst fire

[raw orbit]

I loved the rsc

[stoic breach]

😔

[solid hinge]

I was camping the hill on the second sector of hamada breakthrough as defence and I bayonetted the same dude 4 times who was trying to snipe in out of bounds

[raw orbit]

[solid hinge]

Impossible without spawn beacon

Is necessary.

[stoic breach]

BFV RSC was shit

Now its even more shit

[raw orbit]

Rsc and selby 1906 were actually the bomb

[prime pine]

Consistent reload plus scope and bayonet makes it a really good SLR.

[solid hinge]

dunno why people still prone on rocks

[open surge]

Why did a m1911 just instakill m3

Me

[stoic breach]

M1906 was actually good so yea

[raw orbit]

Nahh iron sights for me

[solid hinge]

The main thing the current bolts have going for them is high accuracy while moving

[stoic breach]

@prime pine Bad SLR recoil decrease made it really bad though

[solid hinge]

and then people squat with them

[open surge]

Why am I using this piece of shit mp40

[prime pine]

Its still a usable semi for recon

I used it with quick aim

[raw orbit]

Mp4

[solid hinge]

the gun already has no advantages and you're not even using what it does have wtf is wrong with prone snipers

[stoic breach]

All the SLRs are still way too floaty, so you would lose too much control for a few milliseconds every time you fired

RSC couldnt reliably be fired at max RPM because of that

[prime pine]

Yeah model 8 is better overall due to fire rate but its reload isnt what you would call consistent.

[stoic breach]

Based on minmax though its alot better

Well I guess at the end of 5.0 it was

[open surge]

Holy shit...find me a more underwhelming smg than mp40

[raw orbit]

Mp40 is literally the worst

[prime pine]

No strippers due to scope (As the scope naturally makes focus better) hurt it a lot

[stoic breach]

5.2 MP40 is one of the best SMGs you can use

5.0 MP40 was one of the worst

[open surge]

kappa0l

[solid hinge]

Model 8 was usable with irons I think

[open surge]

kappa

fuck this piece of shit national socialist gun

[balmy condor]

i love the MP40 no matter what

[solid hinge]

Body shots up to 50m arent tooo hard without a scope

[raw orbit]

I liked the mp40 quite a lot in 5.0 but good fucking Lord it takes about 2 hours to kill now

[solid hinge]

plus 225rpm

[raw orbit]

Up close

[stoic breach]

The MP40 has a good enough rate of fire plus the slow-smg damage model

[main grove]

Every SLR is usable with irons

[open surge]

dumped

stupid weapon

[raw orbit]

Use the mab tbqh

Mab > all

[solid hinge]

emp

[stoic breach]

Yeah MAB is probably one of the better SMGs to use

[main grove]

Bolts should be viable with irons as well

[stoic breach]

Only problem is that its close range DPS is poor

[main grove]

Like in BF1

[stoic breach]

Actually yeah EMP and Grease Gun are probably the best SMGs in the game right now

[raw orbit]

Compared to the mp40 it's godlike close up

Lul

[stoic breach]

Or some of them

[prime pine]

Shotgun

[open surge]

christ

I just checked my weapon levels

[raw orbit]

Bolts are viable with irons tbqh t. irons lee enthusiast

[fresh cypress]

rsc is not underrated

is op rated

[open surge]

When did I make the type 2a my second highest

[main grove]

Also why is the MP28’s fire rate so damn high

[open surge]

yikes

[stoic breach]

RSC OP

Ok then

[main grove]

No MP18/28 ever fired that fast irl

[prime pine]

670 is nice

[open surge]

dice logic

[solid hinge]

oh

[stoic breach]

670rpm with the 900rpm damage model

One single big YIKE

[solid hinge]

with 6.2 they might bring back based mp28

please

[raw orbit]

it's been a year and there's still no frommer stop auto in bf5

[solid hinge]

please..

[raw orbit]

Why live

[prime pine]

Dont expect much

Sorry

[main grove]

Like if I was gonna have a 670rpm smg I’d make it the M1A1 Thompson

[stoic breach]

Machine pistols in general dont exist

😔

[open surge]

type 100?

[stoic breach]

Type 100 is ok

[prime pine]

Frommer stop auto primary all kit weapon

[stoic breach]

No all kits

[raw orbit]

At least an equivalent weapon

[fresh cypress]

why do german tank commanders use the sten instead of mp 40?

[main grove]

I never liked MP28

Ever

[stoic breach]

Thats bad for gadget balance

[open surge]

Laziness

[fresh cypress]

and german pilots

[raw orbit]

Yea agreed

[main grove]

Always thought it was a trash gun

[prime pine]

Offensive recon boiis

[stoic breach]

You cant balance gadgets properly with all-kit weapons

[open surge]

Even when we literally had 2 factions

[fresh cypress]

german tankers use the sten now huh?

[stoic breach]

Flare and shotgun/SMG would be broke as fuck if you could spawn with it

[fresh cypress]

not the mp 40

[open surge]

Every tanker still got Sten?

[main grove]

There’s barley any Fucking gadgets to begin with

[fresh cypress]

which is in the game

[open surge]

lol

[fresh cypress]

and the pilots

[prime pine]

Just do a dice and make it a 6Hk and call it balanced

[stoic breach]

Its already annoying enough as is with the limited intel mechanics of the game

[fresh cypress]

so do the americans

and the japanese

[main grove]

Would 1500rpm 6btk be balanced?

[fresh cypress]

NO

[stoic breach]

No thats really really bad

[solid hinge]

Mp28 was genuinely one of the best smgs in 5.2

[fresh cypress]

mp 28 is still ok

hipfire is like the type 2a

[prime pine]

Oh that sounds fun

[stoic breach]

Oh yeah

[solid hinge]

Bigmag with double hipfire specs and a slow enough fire rate to make ads not awful

[prime pine]

Mp28 irons were improved some while ago

[solid hinge]

670rpm hipfire is enough to beat a lot of guns in a one on one

[stoic breach]

I'm thinking, what if the M2 Carbine was a 5-6BTK with worse hrec than the M1907

Yeah MP28 minmax made it compete really well against Suomi/Thompson in 5.0

[raw orbit]

no obrez in 2k20

[main grove]

Under what circumstances would 6 min BTK be justified

[stoic breach]

No circumstances

Its horrible

[main grove]

If a gun was 6-6 and fired at 800rpm?

Literally why

[stoic breach]

Yeah

Madsen is bad enough as is with 6-6BTK

[raw orbit]

How can people actually look at bf1 and call the weapons boring smdh

[main grove]

I like the idea of having a really low damage gun that is amazing with something else

[open surge]

lol no aim assist on console is wacky

[stoic breach]

Alright new idea

[prime pine]

6 hk for madsen and slow auto Bar is magic in this shitty environment

Wish it was 5-5 but whatever

[stoic breach]

Make the M2 Carbine a 5-5BTK niche high rpm long range gun

And make the reload a bit slower

[raw orbit]

6btk 0 recoil gang

[solid hinge]

you could just tapfire it

[stoic breach]

Slow RPM Bar is such a disgraceful meme idea

Its so shit

They should have the same damage model

[raw orbit]

Brother stop right there

[solid hinge]

SLOW
BULLETS
LOWER
DAMAGE

[prime pine]

Make the m2 carbine a proper 4 hit gun that turns into a 7 or an 8 or whatever which has heavy horizontal recoil

[open surge]

yeah why did I turn off aim assist

Shits way way too twitchy

[stoic breach]

Not be this shit "oh this enemy is further away than 40m time to flip this switch and extend its range"

[prime pine]

6-6 works when everything is a 8 hit kill at a range

[open surge]

always overcompensating

[stoic breach]

Then again they cant really be the same damage model in 5.2

[solid hinge]

m2 carbine being the type 100 of the sturm1-5 is okay with me

[open surge]

god why am I so bad

[stoic breach]

😔

[prime pine]

5-5 for slow auto bar easy.

And madsen of course

[main grove]

If you make the game have to high damage then people will rage quit from being lasered at 500ms from 50m away

[stoic breach]

If it was 5.0, BAR couldve just been a consistent 4-6BTK but the low rpm mode just reduces hrec to nothing

It could've just been that

[main grove]

Previous damage model meant nothing to effectiveness at range

Unless pulling down is “skilful”

[raw orbit]

So is 6.2 gonna increase recoil?

[shy badger]

Yea

[stoic breach]

Its not really about effectiveness at range, as much as its about having a consistent damage model

[prime pine]

Controlling your gun is more skillfull than having to put more bullets into someone

[stoic breach]

Which is better for muscle memory

[open surge]

maybe I shouldn't play at 3:41am

I'm just gonna play bad and feel bad

[stoic breach]

450rpm vs 720rpm but you can expect the same damage is much better

[prime pine]

I watched some old clips with me and the bren and it was really simple shooting people at a range. Something its good st. But now its 6hit kill ends so soon it cant even do its job properly

[main grove]

Everyone knew how to control a gun in a few minutes

[prime pine]

Assault rifles over take it

It takes a longer time to consistently control a gun

[stoic breach]

Low RPM BAR (based on 5.0) should've been a slower Bren, not a slower Madsen

[prime pine]

There's also the case of trigger discipline

Reloading at the right time to avoid long reload.

[main grove]

People only want big damage back so they can go back to shitting on people’s day

[raw orbit]

I want to talk to the ceo of game balance tbh and find out who decided that long range = bad and who decided that 30m = long range 🗿

[stoic breach]

Big damage works because of big maps

[prime pine]

People are going to shit on peoples day regardless by zerging as a medic train

[stoic breach]

Small damage on big maps means you cant really contribute to anything over 30m

[main grove]

I’m not sure why they had to make the maps so big

[stoic breach]

Also with nerfed suppression that effect is increased

[prime pine]

Its battlefield

Thats whu

Why

[shy badger]

The maps aren't that big

[stoic breach]

Big maps works fine in Breakthrough

[shy badger]

There are only some I would consider big

[stoic breach]

Where they become smaller and bite sized

[prime pine]

Noot noot blackout!

[shy badger]

noot noot bods 🙂

[prime pine]

Yes there should be a limit for guns on even longer ranges

But as a whole

[main grove]

The spawn to spawn from something like saint Quentin scar in BF1 was about 300meters

[prime pine]

The damage drop off ends far too quickly

[main grove]

In battlefield on something like Al Sundan it’s more like fucking 600 meters

[stoic breach]

I forgot Al Sundan existed

Holy shit I was trying to remember the name of that map like 2 weeks ago

[main grove]

The distance from A to D on Iwo Jima is like a BF1 map

[stoic breach]

Because I was gonna shit on it

[main grove]

People saying they want smaller TTKs reminds me of Fucking siege

And I cannot stand that game

At all

Fucking hate tiny TTK games

[prime pine]

The ttk was actually decent in 5.0

It was quick but it wasnt ultra quick

It sat at the perfect point

[main grove]

I remember it being too quick for me

There’s no decent TTK middle ground game for me

Halo is way too long

Cod is too short

[prime pine]

Black ops 2 was quick but easy

[main grove]

Battlefield is close but on the shorter side

[prime pine]

If you want to see crazy check BFH

[solid hinge]

Battlefront 2

[main grove]

Battlefront 2 is fucking so varied it hurts

[prime pine]

I think the AKM was a 3 hit kill till 20-30M???

[main grove]

How can people enjoy the game with a gun like that

That’s sounds like fucking lunacy

[prime pine]

It had a 650 rpm which made it the slowest

[main grove]

650rpm is slow?

That’s middle to me

[prime pine]

Then you had battle rifles. Fn fal was the fastest killing battle rifle in game. 750 RPM 3-4 kill at all ranges

Slowest for ars

[main grove]

Sounds like a game where you spend most of your time dead

[prime pine]

Nahh

[keen nebula]

hello ther

[prime pine]

Scar H and fn fal were my main weapons.

With tear gas you could double your damage output

Making everything one to two hit kill.

[main grove]

I just physically can’t imagine me doing well in a low TTK environment

[prime pine]

Well we just did

I got an old clip

[main grove]

I can do well in BF5 pre and post 5.2 but only if I tryhard

Also strongly depends on enemies

If there’s a medic train I will guaranteed go negative

[stoic breach]

Battlefront 2 TTK is Halo if Bungie had no idea how to make a game @solid hinge

[prime pine]

https://gamerdvr.com/gamer/waygyanba/video/88304779

People were aggressive as fuck in this game

[stoic breach]

Hardline sounds like it was amazing

[prime pine]

But you could still play defensively

[raw orbit]

Battlefield bc2 ttk rankest

[stoic breach]

750rpm FAL in Hardline is actually faster than the FAL in Modern Warfare 2019 lol

[main grove]

Fucking BF4 and hardline look so shit to me that I can’t tell what damage is being done

Like they look graphically awful

The screen shake is also cancer

[prime pine]

Ohhh i remember the screenshake. That was fun.

[raw orbit]

I wanna know who's pretending bf4 visibility was fine tbh

Its worse than bf5 by far

People just carried by Doritos

[main grove]

BF1 genuinely had the best visibility without Doritos

[stoic breach]

Oh my god Hardline looks so fun

[main grove]

Because soldiers were thick and bright

[stoic breach]

Cant believe I missed out

[main grove]

In contrast with the dark backgrounds

[stoic breach]

Yeah BF1 probably had the best visibility in the entire series

[raw orbit]

Except for when you walk into a house and can't see anything for 5 minutes while the screen adjusts

[stoic breach]

If BF1 had minimap spot when firing and 3D spot only applied when you aimed at someone for a few seconds it wouldn't even have needed the 3D spot button

[raw orbit]

But that's in every battlefield

[main grove]

Every BF has that though

Yeah

[raw orbit]

Its aids I hate it

[stoic breach]

BF1 had an update where lighting contrast was reduced

[raw orbit]

Every other game handles that shit fine why can't battlefield do it

[stoic breach]

But yeah if lighting contrast didnt exist at all it would be even better

[main grove]

R6 used to have that at launch

[stoic breach]

Lighting contrast like that doesnt even apply in real life

You can very much see into peoples houses in broad daylight

[main grove]

Graphically it looks so different from Launch to how

[raw orbit]

When the building doesn't even exist anymore but your eyes still get fucked

[stoic breach]

Epic

[main grove]

Nah when you’re outside in a video game you might as well be staring directly at the sun

[stoic breach]

Yeah Battlefield needs to remove lighting contrast and increase colour contrast

[main grove]

When looking inside something

[stoic breach]

I know people hated how colourful BFV looked from the reveal trailer

But that colour unironically would've been better for gameplay

[main grove]

Make the environment less bright and soldiers more bright

Beta Narvik and Rotterdam

Oof

[stoic breach]

God fuck both of those maps

Narvik is like looking at the sun, Rotterdam is like staring into a black hole

[main grove]

Why are buildings so dark

[prime pine]

https://youtu.be/cTRKcT68uJI

[main grove]

Like light makes its way into buildings IRL

[stoic breach]

Oh yeah

[solid hinge]

So the backprone mg42 in the corner can kill you 10 times over while your eyes adjust

[stoic breach]

I ironically think evening/night time Fjell would have better visibility than day Fjell

Because they would be forced to put lights around the map

And it would constrast properly with the snow and rocks

[main grove]

Zeebrugge was one of the few maps in BF1 where it might have been a bit difficult to make enemies out

[stoic breach]

Even then, the lighting was still pretty good

[main grove]

God I loved heligoland so much in BF1

Like I thought i would have hated it

But I like the scale of it for the most part

And also bolts were deadly back then so

Shooting B from C was nice

And vice versa

[autumn pivot]

what's up with all the Clans taking planes on both sides an protecting each other?

[solid hinge]

Does the Panzer 38t 20mm canon not do any damage vs vehicles?

@autumn pivot That was a thing on BF4 but I never see it in BFV because of the lack of a team switch button wich is nice.

There should be no team switch button.

I remember people in BF4 stealing vehicles by using team switch

People would land jets on the enemy spawn for their friends

[autumn pivot]

well it happens in BFV to, most of the time it is not hard to spot since they never enter combat with other planes, unless it is someone who is not in the clan

[solid hinge]

Is the game dead? I sat in queue for 5 minutes and there's 3 people playing

[autumn pivot]

Depends on the mode

[solid hinge]

Oh no that's a thing in general @autumn pivot

Even in advanced search there is nothing

Very few people play fighters because they are weak against the ground

And most people who play bomber dont bother fighting one another because they dont get that many points and it's a huge waste of time.

This doesnt mean that fighters are useless vs the ground but 2 rockets are not comparable to 20x 50kg

[autumn pivot]

well they had 2 fighters, that never attacked our bombers even when they went 72 -0,

[solid hinge]

Yeah because going against bombers is also a waste of time due to how much time and ammo it takes to take them out.

Planes dont attack each other cause it takes to long and thus planes aren't much of a threat to each other.

Pacific planes don't have this issue for some reason

[autumn pivot]

idk, they where good fighters the first 10 mins of the match, when non clan mebers where in planes

[solid hinge]

Because Pacific planes are powerful when it comes to shooting down each other.

https://imgur.com/K93UP5Q Okay, there's one game

[autumn pivot]

well this was hamada

[solid hinge]

Pacific planes are like BF4 planes

[raw orbit]

When both teams fully stack bombers to make it hell for everyone actually playing the game and the fact that the plane spawn system was changed from bf4 means that you can't even get a fighter to take them out and you just have to suffer

[solid hinge]

They constantly take each other out because they are a threat to each other.

Because Pacific planes are easier to kill over bombers

If you get behind a bomber it takes ages to kill one

But if you get behind a Pacific plane it takes seconds

The Pacific planes follow the BF4 formula

Is Battlefield 4 still active?

1
Take out enemy planes
2
Get ground kills
3
Reload

Do it again

[flat lantern]

https://youtu.be/Ddl9b-4aHWY

[solid hinge]

Yeah it is but it's hard to start on it now because everyone who plays it rn are hardcore veterans. @solid hinge

You wont ever survive inside a vehicle

And BF4 is suffering from some serious balancing issue when it comes to vehicles

I never use vehicles and prefer hardcore locker anyway

BF4 vehicle combat was actually really bad

There were lock on tanks shells and auto locking tank shells that would do critical damage. There was the active radar and the passive radar glitch.

The AA was better than the LAV

Only ever played battlefield for the infantry component, occasionally I might hop an an AA or Fixed emplacement but that's it

I like fast infantry killing tanks

Wich is why I use the Panzed 38t

*Panzer

It's so fast and powerful on breakthrough

You pop flares over an area and then enjoy demolishing peopme

*people

[hushed bobcat]

today I finally got a hit with the AA mine (not a kill, a hit)

[raw orbit]

Tow rockets

Or whatever they were called

[solid hinge]

I actually randomly got a kill with an AA mine

It's actually not that bad to use it in the Pacific maps near the enemy spawn

The balancing in bfv is pretty bad as well

[tropic ice]

You don't fucking say

[solid hinge]

🤯

[lost citrus]

its only getting worse

[fathom pebble]

@solid hinge nothing new about that, been since release

[blissful bane]

I got so many points spotting

Noone shot down my flares

[proper sluice]

My brother aks me if he should buy BFV because he like the game. And I dont know what to say to him just that the game is nere the end and the ttk is are fuckt. So i dont know

[keen elm]

i always shoot down the flares

[trail furnace]

@proper sluice

id say let him buy it

in a sale

[proper sluice]

okey

[trail furnace]

i dont suggest buying it full price

[balmy condor]

£15 max

[dire basin]

I mean, yeah, you won't see the next Battlefield until 2021 or 2022 so he's got some time to sit back and play it and enjoy it.

Probably would tell him to buy it on a sale imo

[elder patio]

Any news about the update 6.2 ?

[uneven hollow]

Late 2022 would be nice for the new battlefield game

[coral fiber]

Yeah...
That's my friend, you're probably wondering how we got into this situation
And you see... It's a long story

[balmy condor]

10 Haunting photos taken moments before disaster

5 Haunting photos from the JFK assassination

[pastel grove]

Lee Harvey Oswald moment

[balmy condor]

bruh

[pastel grove]

ttk explains why it took like, 3 shots from a Carcano rifle

[hoary condor]

Bfv isn’t playable

[balmy condor]

[pastel grove]

It's playable but some weapons actually make me want to cry

[hoary condor]

Clicks breakthrough and then it’s grand operations

[coral fiber]

My friends and i played some sort of cat and mouse game on wake island

Where the mouse is someone in the jeep and the planes are well...
Planes

[vestal locust]

Think I had a fucking stroke... how are people so fucking dumb with situational awareness?

[balmy condor]

[coral fiber]

We had lots of fun tho

We're gunna do a bomber 1v1

But with gunners

[pastel grove]

Like, one bomber against another bomber

But it's full

[coral fiber]

YES

[pastel grove]

do you already have a designated gunner

[coral fiber]

https://gamerdvr.com/gamer/getmemedonlol/video/88311300

No

I used to in bf1

[pastel grove]

I loved being plane gunner in BF1

Plane gunning in BFV is shit though.

[coral fiber]

Yep

[vestal locust]

Surprised we turned that game around, was down by 75 tickets and it’s like a light clicked on in the minds of the team....

[coral fiber]

Oh yeah we did 2v2 dogfights lol

I went ez tho because we had a rookie

He actually got better over time

[pastel grove]

Seriously I miss being plane gunner in BF1

Shot down planes all the time but in BFV

It's just

Bad

[coral fiber]

Once you upgrade them they're not bad

[pastel grove]

You being a pilot and me being a gunner would actually tear shit up in BF1 to be honest

The fully turning guns in BFV British planes aren't too bad

[coral fiber]

I had a badass gunner during the time of bf1

I miss those times

Even tho he was a gunner he would go on high killstreaks

Hell, he even took down the fucking ZEPPLIN once

Or twice idk

[balmy condor]

the good ol days

[coral fiber]

It WAS FUN

[pastel grove]

[balmy condor]

I'd always play bf1 all day for weeks

[coral fiber]

nobody would touch us because he killed them so fast

I remember there was 2 guys on us
He took both of them down but we were disabled

I was freaking out because i was desperately repairing before we hit the ground

I did regain control and we were laughing in joy
But then AA got us moments later

[pastel grove]

[coral fiber]

I pulled that shit off only to get killed by AA lmfao

That was my most intense moment in bf1

Well for the both of us

He was screaming at me to repair the fucking plane 😂

[tribal cairn]

Sounds exhilarating. My most intense pilot experience was trying to turn the slow as hell heavy bomber so that I don't go out of bounds to avoid my extremely likely death

[coral fiber]

The llya muromets

[tribal cairn]

Because God forbid you can escape the out of bounds in a heavy bomber

[pastel grove]

Ah yes the Илья Мурометц

A right fucking pain that was to fly

I enjoyed being a repairman in it though.

[tribal cairn]

Yep

[coral fiber]

This is how fucking coordinated we were
The pilot was me btw
https://gamerdvr.com/gamer/s3atynuggets/video/88312933

[balmy condor]

just watched the clip ad got the most scuffed F rtnite ad i've ever seen

also that was a smoooothe jump into that building

[solid hinge]

Are tanks immune to the Panzer 38t auto cannon?

I do sometimes do damage but sometimes I don't

[pastel grove]

Yeah they are

I hear the 38t auto cannon is actual shit

[coral fiber]

I was looking thru my clips
I totally forgot i recorded this 😂
https://gamerdvr.com/gamer/getmemedonlol/video/88313403

[brave garnet]

I feel that the APCR for the 2cm should do like 2-3 dmg

[tall rampart]

In a game where we are getting stomped 232-639

[raw orbit]

1 minute into fjell you can tell youre gonna lose when the other team already has 2 bombers at the top of the leaderboard

😒

[topaz dome]

my team lost by 70 last night and some weiner was complaining about our team being bad, ruined the team chemistry

[brave garnet]

I always thought Pilot's name was GET ME DONE LOL (bc I can't read sometimes) and its GET MEMED ON LOL

[coral fiber]

Lmfao

[topaz dome]

[coral fiber]

Btw i totally did not know that fighter was there

I was shooting at the bomber

I thought he was shooting me

Then i see the camel and i was like "OH FUCK HOLY SHIT"

[solid hinge]

@pastel grove So the cannon isnt actually that bad unless you are versing tanks

@brave garnet I tried APCR on it actually and it did barely any difference.

The Panzer 38t is a war crime in maps where you are attacking as German

[brave garnet]

38(t) is infantry nightmare

[solid hinge]

In breakthrough

Yes its actually so powerful.

[heavy token]

38t with ap mines aswell

[solid hinge]

I always use it to support infantry and it's a living bell to verse it in Rotterdam

You basicly pop flares and then demolish anyone you see

[raw orbit]

is there a new fucking bug where you right click and 10 minutes later you fiinallyads?

[brave garnet]

SS insignia as pfp

Nice

[solid hinge]

What's your favorite tank? @brave garnet

[coral fiber]

Y'all talking about the 38mm on the 38t

Fuck sakes...

[tall rampart]

God, my team got stomped 0-589, I hate these one sided rounds

[coral fiber]

I really hate that thing on rotterdam

But i also love using it

[solid hinge]

Yeah lol

[heavy token]

Love hate relationship😂

[solid hinge]

everyone for some reason always uses the Tiger

No one ever uses the Stug

All I see are Tigers and Panzer IVs

[coral fiber]

Stug is ass

[heavy token]

The stug is amazing

[tall rampart]

I do, and it’s good

[coral fiber]

I don't like it

[solid hinge]

The Stug is only good in Panzersturm

[coral fiber]

I forgot it even existed in the game

[tall rampart]

Well how do you use it

It’s meant for long range

[solid hinge]

The Archer is miles above the Stuf

*Stug

[coral fiber]

Archer is also ass

[solid hinge]

What?

[coral fiber]

Can get 2 shotted by a tiger

[heavy token]

Archer is also amazing

[solid hinge]

Yeah it's a glass cannon

Archer is only good now if there's no tiger or anti tank pz4

the massive multipliers means the archer cant do anything without taking fat damage

[tall rampart]

Well in heavy tank v. tank destroyer, heavy tank usually wins

[solid hinge]

You are not supposed to use it anywhere besides Hamada,Al Sudan and Panzersturm

[brave garnet]

My fav tank.... all of them, they all feel the same, in War Thunder is the Sherman's @solid hinge

[solid hinge]

The early or late ones?

i use it on aerodrome because theres no enemy tanks

Like basic M4 or the Jumbos?

[coral fiber]

I want the Easy 8 in bfv

[solid hinge]

it has good mobility + spotting scope and large ammo capacity

[trail furnace]

bruh the jumbos

[solid hinge]

so it's really solid for shelling infantry

@solid hinge Yeah you position yourself overlooking an objective and just snipe

[heavy token]

I want a firefly

[brave garnet]

If you want specific variant, its the M4A1 @solid hinge

[tall rampart]

The jumbo is the 105mm cannon is it not?

[brave garnet]

M4A3(105) is 105mm

[solid hinge]

@heavy token I'd suggest changing that pfp

Oh that's a tough nut to crack early on @brave garnet

[tall rampart]

What tanks are the Japanese and Americans going to get anyway, assuming they get more

[brave garnet]

Which one?

[solid hinge]

The furthest I went into war thunder was the Tiger Henschel

[brave garnet]

I have that

[solid hinge]

The M4A1

[brave garnet]

I fear Shermans

[heavy token]

Right

[ornate sail]

Why is the infantry play in this game such trash

God damn.

[coral fiber]

TTK change

[solid hinge]

Because they mutilated it with 5.2

[coral fiber]

Before 5.2 it was almost perfect

[heavy token]

Before 5.2 post 5.0

[brave garnet]

5.0 and before it was perfect

[ornate sail]

Hands down the worst Battlefield as far as infantry play goes.

[solid hinge]

I stopped playing the game because I am on console and it's much harder to aim on console.I also had the issue of having no one to play the game with because very few people play on console and you are on the downside on the air. You cant even use the attack Helicopters because there aren't enough buttons on the controller. @brave garnet

[brave garnet]

@solid hingeim on console too

Not that hard

[tall rampart]

Console gang

[coral fiber]

Bfv's gunplay was pretty good
Now it's pure ass after TTK change

[brave garnet]

You can also plug in a M&K for War Thunder

[solid hinge]

I guess I am lucky because I started post 5.2 and I never got to feel pre 5.2 so I dont know what i lost.

[heavy token]

Still waiting for 6.2

[coral fiber]

I miss old TTK

[solid hinge]

Once 6.2 hits I imagine it'll be quite the change

it fuckin better be

[coral fiber]

Even for console, recoil was still manageable

[solid hinge]

I'm tired of having less weapons to pick

[ornate sail]

I dont understand why it's so difficult.

They've been doing this since 2002.

[coral fiber]

Because
It's DICE

[solid hinge]

Yeah I know but I was only able to play Arcade because I couldn't play Alone on Realistic. I would always die even if I used my tanks correctly due to flanks. Like I would snipe as the tiger 2 but then a hellcat would get on my rear. @brave garnet

Tinfoil hat, but personally I'm 99% sure this came from higher ups who want it more accessible for new players

[brave garnet]

I play with friends on Realistic

[balmy condor]

dab

[solid hinge]

And now the game has become to much of a grind tbf

[tall rampart]

The more the merrier I say

[ornate sail]

Because that worked out so well for Blizzard.

[solid hinge]

The changes all point towards it

[brave garnet]

I played with some friends, one Irish and one German

[solid hinge]

I always wanted the tiger 2

The Tiger 2 is my favorite ww2 tank

But never got to it

[tall rampart]

We need the panther in BF5

[solid hinge]

I was to far away from it

[heavy token]

I hope 6.2 nerfs the type 2a and the 500lb bombs for the corsair and zero

[solid hinge]

Low recoil, low damage at range, lower kill times across the board, no instant death after being downed shortly after revival, addition of snap aim assist on console

@tall rampart It will come if we get Eastern Front

[coral fiber]

And here in xbox
Many players are way too incompetent
https://gamerdvr.com/gamer/getmemedonlol/video/88314671

[tall rampart]

@solid hinge it better

[solid hinge]

Also the KV2 needs to come as a reinforcement for the Soviets

[tall rampart]

YES

That would be sick

[solid hinge]

Russian Sturmtiger

also horrific communication from the devs

[heavy token]

Do u all think there should be a new reinforcement tank for the germans if the eastern front gets added?

[solid hinge]

because they cant blatantly say why they made the changes

[coral fiber]

Like that guy that just got revived clearly had time to kill me
The medic too
Like wtf it shouldn't be that easy to kill those 2

[solid hinge]

like they havent actually given a proper justification for it

[coral fiber]

Same thing when i was at 6hp and i somehow killed the guy with a headshot lmfao

[solid hinge]

cause no one wants to hear "we made it less frustrating for new players xD"

@heavy token Maybe but there isnt anything to add. Maybe the Brühmbär?But the Germans do already have a derp canon. They could add in a Panzerwerfer 42.

[heavy token]

Tiger 2 to combat the kv2 maybe?

[tall rampart]

I think with the eastern front we’ll get the T34 and KV-1, maybe the BT-7 or T-26, and I got no real clue for Soviet tank destroyers, maybe the ZiS-3?

[strong parrot]

They haven't commented about snap aim?

[solid hinge]

The tiger 2 should be a tank of it's own or a skin for the tiger 1

[strong parrot]

xd bro all console shooters have it

[coral fiber]

I really hate snap

[solid hinge]

Because the Tiger 1 and 2 are very similar

[coral fiber]

I have it all the way to 0%

[solid hinge]

Snap actually damages be more than helps me

[teal phoenix]

Bold of them to assume new players stuck to the game after one whole day

[tall rampart]

Everybody talks about snap aim, but I legitimately haven’t experienced it that much

[solid hinge]

No comments besides the ones before release where they said they wouldnt add it

🙂

Because sometimes I want to kill someone but then it snaps on someone else that's full health.

[strong parrot]

[solid hinge]

🙂 🙂 🙂

What do I need to do to be able to get pic perms?I am pretty often here (not on the daily).

[keen elm]

happy face emoji happy face emoji happy face emoji indeed

[heavy token]

@coral fiber i completely turned off aim assist

[keen elm]

On your controller

[coral fiber]

I turned off all aim assist

[keen elm]

That sounds like hell

[fickle carbon]

Uh

How did I get killed by a lewis gun through a wall

[slim steppe]

Hi do you have any tips i just started playing?

[tall rampart]

Are you on PC @fickle carbon

[solid hinge]

Shoot enemy

[fickle carbon]

No

[solid hinge]

Try not to get shot

[coral fiber]

@fickle carbon high ping?

[keen elm]

Learn the game mechanics @slim steppe

Best thing you can do imo

[fickle carbon]

Nope

[solid hinge]

What kind of wall was it

Alright but something needs to come

[coral fiber]

BULLET PENETRATION

[solid hinge]

Something that has been promised for a while

TANK BODIES

[slim steppe]

Which class. Is best?

[tall rampart]

Oh yeah you can shoot through thin walls

[heavy token]

@keen elm its not that bad i like it

[ornate sail]

I hate how japanese or Americans have no decent bombers.

[solid hinge]

@slim steppe Suppor is the weakest right now.

[tall rampart]

All have pros and cons @slim steppe

[raw orbit]

im guessing the squad double kills assignment doesnt actually work

[solid hinge]

Medic is the easiest to use right now

@ornate sail Yeah but that's why Pacific actually has proper air combat.

[fickle carbon]

Can allies block bullets

[solid hinge]

Bombers ruin air combat

pacific air combat is awful

[fickle carbon]

Cause if so

Omfg

[heavy token]

Agreed

[solid hinge]

who can abuse the shitty flight model to stall fastest

Far better than the normal one @solid hinge

It's like flying bathtubs

Because people at least fight one another

On normal maps people ignore each other

[coral fiber]

pacific air to air is actually quite nice
The TTK is way too fast that stalling is an instant death or kill @solid hinge

[solid hinge]

You can do some ridiculously jank shit with speed reduction

[ornate sail]

Needs a 5 seat B24

[solid hinge]

Feels like driving a car in the air

[tall rampart]

My experience with planes can be summed up as, oh a pl...BOOM dead

[raw orbit]

no different to usual air combat then

lul

[coral fiber]

Once you get the engine upgrade it's quite nice

[solid hinge]

@ornate sail It could be a call in like the bomber from BF4

I would like to see a call in bomber like BF4

the rocket plane is severely underpowered in comparison to 4x lmg 2x 500lbs bomber

Like 25k points for a B-29 bombing run or like another type of heavy bomber

so the designated anti air plane is worse at anti air because no engine upgrade

[coral fiber]

Had 2v2 dogfights in wake island and my mates always died because they stalled

[ornate sail]

They had one in 1942. Not sure why it's asking so much.

[coral fiber]

The 4x 20mm cannons are way too good
Non explosive

[solid hinge]

@coral fiber Yeah the only stalling that sometimes works is going on the top edge of the map.

[tall rampart]

My question though is, why does every plane have to have bombs, can’t fighters just be fighters

[coral fiber]

People are sleeping on the cannons

[solid hinge]

stalling near the ocean works because you can fuck with the flight model by activating your landing gear

[ornate sail]

The rate at which they're releasing content for this game is almost laughable.

[solid hinge]

its fucking stupid

yes plane, take your wheels out over the ocean

[coral fiber]

It is

[solid hinge]

genius

[coral fiber]

Like breh

[solid hinge]

like there's a single spot to even land a plane on any of the pacific maps

[coral fiber]

The engine upgrade is absolutely necessary now

[solid hinge]

I feel bad for the D flag plane spawners in Wake

that's why it's so shitty

Or the Hamada airstrip plane spawners

the engine upgrade is ludicrously good

[coral fiber]

The runways and carriers lol

I always land there for no reason 😂

[strong parrot]

Pacific storm has an air strip

[solid hinge]

you get on the tail of someone as a rocket plane and they literally just speed away from you

Do planes trigger mines? @coral fiber

because they have engine upgrade

like

[coral fiber]

Yes

[solid hinge]

dude

Could you theoretically place mines on the Hamada airstrip?

there is no counter to "I can fly faster than you lol"

[strong parrot]

Shoot harder

[solid hinge]

Press the button with more power

[coral fiber]

The upgraded engine can somewhat outturn the zero

[solid hinge]

the only reason theres air combat in Pacific is because theres only one fucking plane in the pacific

[coral fiber]

It just does idk why

[solid hinge]

I am going to actually go on Hamada and put mines on the airstrip to test it

[coral fiber]

But im ngl tho
I really perfer euro planes

[solid hinge]

Oh and also the Japanese naval artillery is bullshit

the heavy rockets on the rocket planes do like

fucking

I hit a plane 2 times in a row

30 damage

with both of them

2 times in a row

[coral fiber]

The rockets are actually good

[solid hinge]

Like a naval artillery cannon hit a plane 2 times in a row but it only did 5 damage

maybe the 8 rockets, but the heavy ones are piss

idk if it's because of the armour changes

[coral fiber]

Heavy ones are ok
Haven't used them much really

[solid hinge]

i havent been able to get above 50 with them on any vehicle

at any angle

since the armour changes

[coral fiber]

They do 80 the last time i used them

[solid hinge]

Both of mine together was doing less than half of that

[coral fiber]

Maybe because i got a good angle or something

[solid hinge]

[coral fiber]

F

[solid hinge]

I swear to god this game man

I dont know WHY its different

Is it a bug

Is it actually doing the damage but the ui is failing

[coral fiber]

I'm having more problems playing infantry lol

[ornate sail]

They wanted to prove that they could go backwards in terms of progress.

Mission accomplished.

[solid hinge]

Are the actual explosions different to the animation and I hit something else for less damage

[coral fiber]

But ngl tho those juicy changes on the trello don't look terrible
Actually quite interested of what 6.2 will do

[solid hinge]

nerf engine upgrade hopefully

[coral fiber]

Especially since Braddock told us 6.2 is going to be beefy

NO

[solid hinge]

its LUDICROUS right now

shambles of balanci mg

[coral fiber]

NOOOO

[solid hinge]

Using an unleveled Pacific plane is actually hell

[coral fiber]

I like dogfights

[solid hinge]

If there's anyone else in the air they'll fucking eviscerate you

Its no dogfight unless they also have it

whats the best map in battlefield 5

Anyone with engine upgrade > anyone without it

[coral fiber]

Everyone on xbox uses it

[uneven hollow]

Depends on map tho with your play style

[coral fiber]

[solid hinge]

I havent seen a rocket plane in weeks

A-Ayla what platform are you on

It's just bombers

Ps4

[ornate sail]

Buff Stuka rear guns.

[solid hinge]

oh

[ornate sail]

That's what I say

[uneven hollow]

Buff Stuka siren

[solid hinge]

can someone explain what breakthrough is

Stuka is too gimmicky right now

im relatively new to battlefield 5 so

[ornate sail]

Definitely buff Stuka siren

I want people in the last round to hear it.

Gimmicky?

[tall rampart]

Planes defensive turrets are straight up trash

[uneven hollow]

Basically breakthrough is keep on moving forward if your attacking

[solid hinge]

The game modes have a tutorial explanation you can access before you pick them from the menu

[uneven hollow]

And defending your position if your defending

[coral fiber]

Euro planes are basically balanced
Except the bombers

[solid hinge]

ok

[coral fiber]

Fighters are good on the right hands

[solid hinge]

yeah i watched the tutorial but it still doesn't really make sense

Both stukas are essentially built around using one spec tree; the big bomb for the b1 and the 37mms for the b2

do you capture both objectives?

[ornate sail]

1000 kg bomb is a bit underpowered.

[solid hinge]

or do you just capture one

[coral fiber]

@ornate sail it was amazing at launch

[ornate sail]

Yes it was.