battlefield-legacy-titles

[stoic breach]

@gray saffron

[teal compass]

@tribal aurora aight I'll turn it at over 1000 rotations per minite

😳

[strong parrot]

theyre floating around are distance and only start to fly smooth close up

[tribal aurora]

yeah I was just kidding ;)

[stoic breach]

I probably couldve made that one paragraph but oh well

Soz lol

[gray saffron]

haha, yeah sounds good

[solid hinge]

What's everyone on about?

[stoic breach]

But yeah, weapons that should be magdumped (like Type 2A) would have low recoil so you can stay on target

But wouldnt be able to melt at range

But you can also balance that against other weapons in the same category

Like Suomi having more vertical recoil but less horizontal recoil so you can magdump and also control bursts for extra range

So technically, weapons with less vertical recoil would actually perform worse at range

By that logic

Which would be perfectly fine

Because you can just have low recoil accessibility weapons

Again, like Type 2A

[keen elm]

Anyone else a bit annoyed that 6.2 has be another complete ttk rework?

[strong parrot]

its not a complete rework that sounds like revert

dice definitely isnt reverting anything

[keen elm]

I get that it's going to be based off 5.0, but It's getting annoying adjusting to a gun that's nothing like how it was the previous update

[strong parrot]

dont get that idea in your head because

[warped forum]

most of bfv players have never seen held or shot any of the weapons that are in bfv, so how the hell do they think they know what it feels like to shoot any of them

[tribal aurora]

Yeah but there will still be some major changes imo

[tall rampart]

Well, it sort of addresses a lot of the TTK issues, but I wish the TTK wasn’t such a drain on development

[tribal aurora]

the weapon balance is totally messed up atm

[warped forum]

im a marine so i know what im talking about

[strong parrot]

oh you know what it feels like to shoot a type 2a?

hol up got a badass over here guys

[tribal aurora]

playing bf1 yesterday suprised me with one particular thing: weapons have actually recoil there

[stoic breach]

🍆

[tribal aurora]

all bfv weapons are damn lazers right now

[stoic breach]

Some dont, some do

Cause its based on spread instead of recoil

[strong parrot]

lol...are you people qualified to read a spread sheet?

[stoic breach]

I think weapons that are better at range in BF1 have more recoil

[strong parrot]

leave this talk to actual high iq/high spm players 😤

[tall rampart]

I kind of miss that sweet spot mechanic for snipers, in BF1 sniper just felt good

[stoic breach]

Oh wait I forgot I dont play BFV anymore so I cant talk about it

😔

Yeah sweetspot was really nice for snipers

[tall rampart]

Yeah, I’m taking a break from the game for a bit

[tribal aurora]

nonono I'm happy that's gone

same like the bf1 supression mechanic

[stoic breach]

All the mechanics that made the game good got removed 😔

[strong parrot]

uhh the less you play bfv, or even better if you dont even have it installed...makes you more qualified to talk about balance in it

[stoic breach]

Except behemoths and elites

I try to look at the numbers and keep up with updates to stay INFORMED

[tribal aurora]

yeah

[strong parrot]

playing the game is for losers

[stoic breach]

So I dont have to play it and experience first hand pain

[tall rampart]

I liked the behemoths more for the cool cinematic moments rather than their actual usefulness

[strong parrot]

real people can look at some numbers and tell you why you, the person playing the game, is actually wrong

[stoic breach]

I think they're a pretty good indication of whats real and whats feels

Cause I mean

Alot of people feel like the Type 2A is OP when its not

And if I played the game and constantly got killed by it, I would want to say the same thing

[gray saffron]

2a is op due the number of people using it

[strong parrot]

the +250 rpm increase is something of note

[gray saffron]

join any tdm match and it's just 2a only

or shotties

[stoic breach]

Well it's extremely popular cause its easy to use and fun to use

[tribal aurora]

idk guys it's really a bit too powerful atm

[tall rampart]

That’s how I felt about the Garand when it came out

[strong parrot]

8 shot max gun
fucking op kills in 3 shots

[stoic breach]

👽

[tall rampart]

It is a Semi-Auto so

[gray saffron]

i dont mind its rof or killing speed at close range, but it's just too accurate at mid for what it can

[main grove]

On 5.0 release I was not finding any reason to use Garand over my beloved G43

[tall rampart]

Probably should have saw it coming

[icy sluice]

2A is getting tweaks

[tribal aurora]

[main grove]

Like it had the novelty of being iconic and that was it

[tall rampart]

My SAR boy is the Karabin, love that gun

[main grove]

I used the light rifle grenade version which I did like

Karabin and G43 are my favs

[tall rampart]

AG/m42 was pretty good too

[main grove]

I use detach mags on G43 and ADS specs on Karabin

[tribal aurora]

only way to spec

[stoic breach]

Kind of wish the Karabin just had no recoil at all

[tall rampart]

Honestly I really like all the SAR’s they all felt good to use

[stoic breach]

Cause its still technically a worse Gewehr 43

[main grove]

I always thought the Karabin was meant to be the best SAR for being a pseudo sniper

Along with Selbst1916

[stoic breach]

Gewehr 43 is just better because of pure minmax

[gray saffron]

eh its better at range stuff now than g43

[scenic beacon]

Turner doesn’t feel nearly as strong as it used to, but that may just be me

[main grove]

Well yeah that’s because of 5.2

[stoic breach]

It did get nerfed so

[main grove]

Turner was stronk

360 rpm 3btk up to 50m

[tribal aurora]

oh the Turner

totally forgot that weapon

[main grove]

I wasn’t a fan of using it though since I don’t like spammy guns

[tall rampart]

When it came out, I cleaned house with the AG/m42

[tribal aurora]

yeah it is an aggressive SLR

[main grove]

AgM42 was kind of hard to use because it’s not good at close really when compared to M1A1

It’s better than M1A1 beyond 50m though

[tall rampart]

I managed to make it work for me

[main grove]

Like they both did around the same damage up close but the 10 round capacity is what limited it compared to M1 carbine

[stoic breach]

M1A1 is just a shitty fake-SMG version of the AgM42

[bright dagger]

@azure raven

[main grove]

I wouldn’t mind them adding guns that are similar to guns already in the game

[stoic breach]

See: Karabin

[tall rampart]

MAS 44 was alright, if I remember correctly

[main grove]

They could have different spec trees

No I mean like

M1 carbine

Instead of M1A1

You could maybe give it a spec tree that has bayonet

[stoic breach]

I think I would've just preferred if they used variants, and only had one for weapons that only have one useful spec tree anyways

[tribal aurora]

but you know what guys? I'm so damn happy all mmgs are trash right now! Like really fucking happy

[tall rampart]

Honestly COD:WW2 has some cool weapons in its roster I’d like to see in BF5

[main grove]

Or MKb42 for the STG

Which also had a bayonet

[stoic breach]

Ye

Personally I still want an MMG rework

[main grove]

It was open bolt as well so you could give it maybe a slightly higher fire rate than STG

[stoic breach]

Standing ADS with similar aim times to bolt actions, 4-5BTK (based on 5.0), reverse spread, automatic incendiary for appropriate weapons

All of those would be super minty

[main grove]

M1A1 tommy which I believe IRL was around 600-700 rpm

[tall rampart]

I’ve said it before, but I wish MMG’s were more viable, I actually want to use guns like the MG42 and S2-200

[main grove]

And had 30 round mags by default

[stoic breach]

Weapons that are echo fighters of other weapons

[main grove]

Yeah

[stoic breach]

M1A1 would be nice to have as a cosmetic though

[main grove]

Like similar in most ways but different in subtle ones

[tribal aurora]

the thing is it's way to easy to abuse high rof weapons like the mg42

[main grove]

Well M1928 to M1A1 tommy would be quite different

But stuff like M1 carbine

[tribal aurora]

there's no way to counter it

[main grove]

With the full stock

[tall rampart]

Like the MP28 and Lanchester SMG scenario?

[main grove]

Yeah kinda

[stoic breach]

"Minimap spot when firing" would immediately counter MMGs as they are now

[main grove]

Or MP38 and MP40

Just give them slightly different spec trees

I want more bolts though

[icy sluice]

MMGs are loud as fuck

[main grove]

Seriously far too few bolts in this

[tall rampart]

That actually reminds me, I should probably start compiling a list of weapons I’d like to see in BF5, I did it with maps before

[main grove]

M1917 Enfield has been in the files since forever

[icy sluice]

It'll probably get added in this chapter, it makes the most sense if it is

It is an American Weapon

[main grove]

Did Germans use any other bolts other than K98?

They had a mountain version but that was kinda similar

[tribal aurora]

Karabiner 31

[stoic breach]

MMGs are loud as fuck
Doesnt really matter when you're trying to focus on what you can see during a fight, and see whos shooting at you

[main grove]

They also had G98’s but that was when they got desperate

Volksturm thing again

[stoic breach]

I dont think germany really used anything else

Wouldnt have needed to for the most part

[main grove]

I remember before this game came out I had so many dreamy ideas on what stuff there would be

Like i thought

It would be cool if they added SMLE and G98 skins to Lee Enfield no4 and Kar98 for people who played BF1

[stoic breach]

Yeah

Well I guess G95 has Arras

But using the G95 is pain so its not really worth it

It just makes having the skin feel like a waste

[main grove]

Is G95 that bad

Like it has high damage but that doesn’t really matter

[stoic breach]

Yeah it doesnt fire fast enough

To justify the high damage

[keen elm]

Everyone says that all the guns in bfv are laser beams but from what I can see the mg42 never got its recoil buff lol

It's the same as pre-5.2

[stoic breach]

Its probably the reverse spread thing

[keen elm]

According to this video hold on let me find it

[stoic breach]

MMGs shouldnt be accurate enough for burst fire

[keen elm]

https://youtu.be/Wol8WpHXIss

Just saying y'know, not saying this is bad or good

It's just, there

[main grove]

Like I think MMGs should he like how insurgency sandstorm handles run and gun with MGs in that you can ADS but there’s so much recoil that you can only reliably stay on target up to 15-20m away

[idle breach]

I think

[main grove]

Right now MMGs when non bipoded are usable up to 5m

[idle breach]

dice will buff other bolt action rifles

[keen elm]

I prefer the strategic aspect of mmgs being defensive weapons

[main grove]

Between 5-15m it’s pure RNG

[keen elm]

But that's just me

I think mmgs should be a bit more potent at range though

[idle breach]

i prefer MMG being very useful for people who uh

[raw orbit]

Back in the ro2 days where you couldn't even get the hipfire zoom that bf5 has but people fucking hated hipfire mg players loool

[idle breach]

master of positioning

[keen elm]

^

Exactly how I feel about it

[idle breach]

not just defending a position but like

[keen elm]

Well it ties into that

You got to have good positioning in order for them to be effective already

[stoic breach]

@main grove close range MMG is just crappy

[idle breach]

for those people who don't rely on their fast aim but their ability to expect where they should aiming

[keen elm]

And that's why I personally like the mmg mechanics as they are rn

[stoic breach]

Every MMG fits better as a gun you can use at 30m+

[keen elm]

Except for the barrel displacement on their focused hipfire, just kinda weird for me

[stoic breach]

Because of suppressive fire and squad support

[keen elm]

Cqc mmgs is the worst idea dice has ever implemented

[stoic breach]

MMGs should be able to ADS and be accurate at range, but should lose close range because of ADS times, sprint out times, reload times, all of that

[keen elm]

I don't think they should be super accurate at range, that's kinda goofy and doesn't match how they are irl

They should just hit really frickin hard at close-far medium range

[stoic breach]

The only thing that should really match irl is bullet velocity

[keen elm]

Eh

[gray saffron]

mmg dont need ads. their fipfire is pretty good already. just make the bipod deploy faster

[stoic breach]

that makes people feel like they need to camp

[keen elm]

I think people would like a bipod deploy speed buffed a bit yeah

[stoic breach]

MMGs shouldnt be that restrictive because it just doesnt fall in line with other weapons

the bipod deploys fast enough

[keen elm]

And no the ads thing I said isn't objective, i just find focused hipfire annoying

[stoic breach]

dropshot MMGs would be even worse

The point is to have people suppress at range, not have the deploy speed fast enough that they can dropshot in CQB

[keen elm]

Well there will still be a delay

[main grove]

Bipod time should be not instant but once it's there it should be fixed

[keen elm]

And that adds to their effective ttk

[main grove]

And not liable to disconnecting constantly

[gray saffron]

adding range to mmgs would get you a 5.0 situation. mmgers would just prone and camp somewhere instead of actively seeking out new cover and moving up.

[keen elm]

Who says it has to be that lol

Nobody is asking for a revert on mmg damage models

[stoic breach]

Thats also because of the fact you cant ADS

[solid hinge]

Im asking for a revert on mmg damage models

[stoic breach]

So if you just camp and permanently bipod you dont have to worry about that

[keen elm]

Oh ok

[solid hinge]

6btk minimum is silly

[stoic breach]

Yeah

Its dumb

That just forces people to camp harder

[main grove]

I wouldn't mind a 5-5 btk MMG

[keen elm]

I'm more annoyed with 10 shot maximum and the disgusting steep drop off

[solid hinge]

Browning was more or less that

[main grove]

Around 500-700rpm

[solid hinge]

Only 4btk within ten metres

[stoic breach]

I would prefer 4-5BTK so that LMGs dont beat them in bullet damage up close

[main grove]

Browning had regular damage model though

[stoic breach]

They should just be the same

And if the MG42 just stayed 4-6BTK that would be fine as well

Actually

[keen elm]

The browning was also stupid accurate

[main grove]

Maybe making a distinction between LMG and MMGs was a mistake

[keen elm]

Sucks that that doesn't matter as much anymore

[main grove]

Like BF1 did just fine with it

[stoic breach]

Browning as 5-5BTK would be alright

[solid hinge]

No thank you

[stoic breach]

I think making a distinction is overall good for balance

[main grove]

I want a really slow chunky MMG though

Like a 3-4 450-500rpm one

[keen elm]

I like the distinction, it's varied content

[solid hinge]

I'm not getting lasered by the most accurate full auto gun with a 250mag and highest bullet velocity in the game

[stoic breach]

Having LMGS be (mostly) 4-6BTK with faster reload speed and ADS time, but slower ranged TTK than MMGs is decent

[keen elm]

HELL NO

4-6 NO

UH UH

[solid hinge]

That's what they used to be

[stoic breach]

LMGs were 4-6BTK in 5.0 though

lol

[solid hinge]

It worked because stuff actually had recoil

[keen elm]

But this isn't 5.0 lol

[stoic breach]

who cares

[keen elm]

I care

[river python]

Sup all

[main grove]

People physically cannot imagine recoil anymore

[stoic breach]

why talk about balance for a bad update

[main grove]

I can't

[keen elm]

Plop that in with all the 5.2 changes

That'll be HELL

[main grove]

I right now think 4-6 is ridiculous

But only because there's no recoil

[solid hinge]

They'll revert the recoil changes

they're too shit not to

[tribal aurora]

mmgs were not properly balanced pre 5.2 imo

[keen elm]

Eh

[tribal aurora]

they had no recoil and a high rof

[stoic breach]

Well yeah, MMGs needed an entire rework of their own

But also couldnt ADS so they were extremely inflexible

[main grove]

They said they were gonna rework them during battlefestr

When Op U came out

[stoic breach]

plus bipods didnt work 100% of the time either

[solid hinge]

I remember that

So much for the fucking rework

[tribal aurora]

yeah so peeps were forced to camp, right?

[stoic breach]

yeah

[tribal aurora]

still it was aweful to fight against them

[stoic breach]

I know

[strong parrot]

bipods still dont work

insert vgo undeploying itself video

[main grove]

I want fucking BF4 bipod back fuck it

[tribal aurora]

with the slower ttk you have a chance to counter a corner camping mmg player atm

and that feels great

[main grove]

At least you know that won't disengage

[tribal aurora]

weapon balance is still shit

[stoic breach]

But that also means theres a massive disparity between weapon categories

[tribal aurora]

now

[solid hinge]

They'd have been much easier if the bipods weren't inconsistent pieces of shit

[main grove]

And you can't dropshot with it

[solid hinge]

Mmgs suck now because some of them have ludicrously bad damage models for no reason

[stoic breach]

MMGs are only cancer to fight against because half the time you dont know where they are

[solid hinge]

The mg34 loses to basically anything at any range while also being forced bipod

[keen elm]

Mmgs are like, you deploy the bipod, and get a high capacity lmg

[stoic breach]

Sure you can hear them, but thats not perfectly reliable

[main grove]

MG34 is an M2 carbine that you need to bipod

[solid hinge]

I play recon majority of the time and mmgs generally weren't a problem

[keen elm]

Oh whoops

[stoic breach]

Plus some people dont play with headphones or have music in the background

[solid hinge]

Cause flares

@keen elm

[stoic breach]

Its much easier on the brain to have good visuals that can cut through all the noise

[solid hinge]

That's why they gave the mmgs flashless propellant

[tribal aurora]

yeah as a recon player it's easy to counter a mmg player, but it's not as a CQB player

[stoic breach]

Yeah

[main grove]

Remember BFV beta visibility

[stoic breach]

For one, MMGs shouldnt have flashless propellant

[solid hinge]

I'm CQB recon, it's the flares that make it doable

Knowing they're there makes it 900 times easier cause like

They cant move

[stoic breach]

Also MMG bullet tracers should be longer

[keen elm]

Does flashless propellant actually do anything with all the smoke spam we are CONSTANTLY dealing with in this game

[stoic breach]

so you can recognise the difference between MMGs and other guns

Plus if the game had minimap spot on fire, MMGs would light up like christmas trees

[solid hinge]

The smokes are there because medic has no fuckin gadgets and smoke grenades are better than the others

There is very little reason not to go 5 smoke medic

[stoic breach]

Oh yeah, another thing with MMGs being able to ADS, they would be able to strafe

[keen elm]

I hate smoke so much

[solid hinge]

Giving medic some gadgets would reduce smoke spam

[keen elm]

Can they please just find something to tone it down a bit

Dice plox

[gray saffron]

maybe a no smoking sign in public areas ;D

[keen elm]

Give all classes more anti tank support

[stoic breach]

Not amazingly fast, but enough that they arent stationary all the time

[solid hinge]

Buffing other grenades or making you spawn with only one smoke nade might help that as well

[keen elm]

All I think needs to be done is give each class' grenade launchers more ammo

[solid hinge]

Absolutely agreed on anti tank tools

[keen elm]

One or two more rounds would suffice I think

[solid hinge]

Medic needs something to break fortifications

[stoic breach]

yeah everyone seems hellbent on assault being the only AT class but that isnt viable in a game where there are constant vehicles

[solid hinge]

It doesnt have to be good

[keen elm]

Idk that's kinda a support thing isn't it

[solid hinge]

Just.. something

Anything

[stoic breach]

Not everyone can expect to be playing as assault, and players shouldnt have to zerg with assaults to be safe from vehicles

[solid hinge]

When every single class can build a sandbag wall in two ticks and supports can literally instantly build a sandbag wall you need tools to deal with it

[keen elm]

Let people bash fortifications with their hammers lol

It'll be weak and in most cases suck

But it'll do something at least

[solid hinge]

I'd take that over nothing

[stoic breach]

Medic should have tromboncino launcher gadget

[balmy condor]

yes

[stoic breach]

still stand by this

its so close, its right there

[uneven hollow]

Your right not 5 smoke medic we need 8 smoke medic

[stoic breach]

in the class

[solid hinge]

Smokes weren't so awful in 5.0 because spraying into smoke actually hurt as well

[uneven hollow]

10 smoke with the smoke launcher pistol

[solid hinge]

You had mmgs and stuff spraying into smoke

[keen elm]

Medic class x100 xp multipliers so they can keep calling in smoke barrages

[stoic breach]

Oh fuck

[uneven hollow]

Stonks smok

[stoic breach]

If medics had incendiary launcher gadget

[solid hinge]

Now medics can just heal through the occasional hit

[tribal aurora]

And now people are spotted through smoke

[stoic breach]

that would be sick

holy fuck

[fast spade]

does war stories stil count towards weapon assignements?

[solid hinge]

man I had a smoke earlier that showed the outline of 4 dudes in it

[balmy condor]

several people are typing

[solid hinge]

i killed them all then felt really guilty

cause like

i absolutely wouldnt have gotten that

[keen elm]

It'll actually help with smoke spam actually because I bet they'll all just spam v-1s instead

Modern problems require modern solutions

[strong parrot]

ps4 glitched to help you

[solid hinge]

Everyone spams arty barrage as is

It needs a nerf

possibly unpopular opinion

[tribal aurora]

JB needs a buff

[keen elm]

Idk it's never been a massive, game ruining issue for me

The arty

[stoic breach]

Maybe if V1 was cheaper overall

[uneven hollow]

They need fire boi arty

[solid hinge]

It's by far the best thing available other than the reinforcement tanks

[keen elm]

Just a good way to break the enemy lines

So you can infiltrate them

I don't think it's overpowered at doing that though

[stoic breach]

Also wish getting kills was emphasised more for the squad points thing

[solid hinge]

It has no downsides, it's cheap, it has no friendly fire (smoke barrage also blocks friendlies and jb2 knocks over teammates), it lasts for ages, theres no effective counter to it other than hoping it doesnt hit you

[uneven hollow]

Like
red player and friends killed the Brits with v1

[solid hinge]

You can have 5 arty barrages in a row in late game in the same place

[strong parrot]

good

[keen elm]

Oh my gosh

Like at once?

Oh nvm

Didn't read right

[solid hinge]

Not at once but the cooldown between them only applies if the same person tries to call it twice

[stoic breach]

New woke idea: Every ability starts on a cooldown, and getting kills just decreases the cooldown

[solid hinge]

If another squad does it they can call it immediately after the first one finishes

[stoic breach]

So you cant save up enough points to spam arty more than once in quick succession

[uneven hollow]

If any thing we need negative points

[solid hinge]

Would genuinely prefer that, fucking no one calls supply drops

[uneven hollow]

The more negative points you can get a behemoth

[keen elm]

What does supply drops do again lol

[stoic breach]

And yeah if supply drops were really fast cooldown

[uneven hollow]

[stoic breach]

So you could get them in like 10 kills or something

[solid hinge]

I call more supply drops in one match than entire teams do in 10 games

[stoic breach]

Hahahaha

[solid hinge]

They're basically portable medic and ammo stations

[stoic breach]

Yeah its a nice tool, but the enemy team can use them as well

[low totem]

supply drops dont have a purpose if you've got squad members playing well

[stoic breach]

which is funny but not great if you fuck up a call

[keen elm]

Supply drops occasionally coming with 5.0 damage model mg42 when

[solid hinge]

They refill grenades too

[stoic breach]

ye

[uneven hollow]

They need to give armor with the supply drop

[solid hinge]

Having a bunch of extra incendiaries to toss is legit nice

[uneven hollow]

[keen elm]

No wait, mg42 light bolt extended belt

Glorious

[pastel grove]

Morning fellas

[low totem]

is firestorm still alive, btw?

[pastel grove]

No

[keen elm]

Another topic, I wish they would increase the mg42's default capacity to 75-100 so light bolt would be more viable

[pastel grove]

Firestorm is unimaginably dead rn

[river python]

Yep

[stoic breach]

Yeah, I wish squad call-ins were based on cooldowns instead of points

[uneven hollow]

Not even the Americans or the Japsare In firestorm

[stoic breach]

cause you can also just abuse health and ammo packs for free points

which is stupid

[river python]

No updates, no map updates, basically nothing.

[pastel grove]

Also fortifications

[stoic breach]

Cooldowns that decrease based on kills would be far better

[pastel grove]

Also flares

[uneven hollow]

And also flash flare

To blind said enemy

[low totem]

score would be better

i mean, im frequently top of the scoreboard with a negative K/D

because i main support or medic

[stoic breach]

thats not a good thing

[low totem]

and actually resupply people

its a fine thing for me

because who cares about K/D

[stoic breach]

Not caring about K/D in a first person shooter is like saying you shouldnt care about shooting hoops while playing basketball

As long as you support your teammates and laugh and pat them on the back all the time

[low totem]

so you're saying i shouldnt be supporting my team?

[solid hinge]

I can barely get points while playing as support because everyone is always on max ammo

[low totem]

helping them get the kills

[solid hinge]

Ammo pouches are so inferior to the crate but so many people run pouches

[low totem]

crate is miles better

[stoic breach]

If you take away ammo boxes from the game and give players infinite ammo, would that make support useless

[low totem]

IIRC, pouches cant resupply gadgets?

[stoic breach]

It wouldnt, but it would help players focus on kills more

instead of pressing buttons

[low totem]

ive only used the crates since release

pouches for medic

[uneven hollow]

Pouches should be a grande for medic

[stoic breach]

grenades should just regen based on a 30 second cooldown

[low totem]

infinte ammo isnt a good thing

BF1943 had infinite ammo

[uneven hollow]

True

[balmy condor]

inf heals is

[low totem]

that was a good game

[uneven hollow]

If anything we should have 2 grenades for impact

[stoic breach]

How would infinite ammo not be a good thing

[low totem]

i feel like 2 nades was standard

and BFV went

"nah, give them 1"

[uneven hollow]

Which is not immersive

[stoic breach]

infinite ammo would be pretty good actually

[strong parrot]

what is this battlefront 2

[stoic breach]

its not like support would be useless with infinite ammo considering they still have shit like repair torch and suppression and mortars

[uneven hollow]

Or hear me out

Hardcore in bfv

[tight rain]

Gimme hardcore

[stoic breach]

Battlefront 2 doesnt have the gunplay to even consider comparing that to anything

[uneven hollow]

But it does have said infinite ammo

[stoic breach]

doesnt really handle it well

Inconsistent "reload" times

Plus literally unlimited ammo with that stupid perfect reload shit

[solid hinge]

The perfect reload unbalances so many guns

[uneven hollow]

Battlefront 2 hardcore

[stoic breach]

Titanfall 2 is a great example of why infinite ammo is good for FPS design

By extent, Titanfall 1 as well

[solid hinge]

You know the final sniper gets 3 shots before overheating? With the increased length of perfect cooldown star card you can get like 8 shots off before overheating

[stoic breach]

wow

thats fuckin stupid

[solid hinge]

You can literally single handedly annihilate vehicles

They cant do anything

[stoic breach]

Yeah

[solid hinge]

Your range is longer than anything else in the game

The final sniper is so fucking good

[stoic breach]

Final sniper should be OHK with slow velocity and one shot before overheating

[solid hinge]

Which is why the game is so shit

[stoic breach]

And not whatever the fuck it is now

[solid hinge]

Geonosis would literally be a win every single time for droids

If they all used it

Sit at the back of the map and snipe the walkers

[stoic breach]

If the final sniper was just a martini henry it wouldnt be so bad

[solid hinge]

I topped my team by miles by sitting literally hundreds of metres away and just magdumping the walkers for the whole match

its ludicrously bad design

[stoic breach]

Yeah the sniper being balanced as AT is so fucking dumb

[solid hinge]

For the match to actually be fun you have to actively try not to win

[stoic breach]

Hahahaha

Yeah

pretty much

If the final sniper was just a BFG though, it would be really nice

[tall finch]

wait are the servers down again or is my internet just really shit

[stoic breach]

OHK but slow reload

[tight rain]

Good question

[solid hinge]

Implying that would work with perfect cooldowns

[stoic breach]

ez fix

[solid hinge]

Remember the sniper from the first game

[stoic breach]

REMOVE PERFECT RELOAD

[solid hinge]

The one that overheated in one shot

[stoic breach]

I didnt play the first game

[solid hinge]

You had the star card that removed weapon overheat

So you could shoot it like

13 times

[stoic breach]

lol wtf

[uneven hollow]

Martni henry for bfv when

[solid hinge]

Literally mandatory card for it

[stoic breach]

Hahaha

[solid hinge]

It was so, so damn stupid

[river python]

Lol

[stoic breach]

Yeah Battlefront weapon balance has always been a joke

[uneven hollow]

Especially the light sabers

Should’ve been OHK

[stoic breach]

Best way to balance weapons is to have all classes only have 100hp, remove perfect cooldowns for weapons

[river python]

Battlefield = Battlefront = 💀

[solid hinge]

The power creep in swbf2 is insane on the heroes

[stoic breach]

And just rework alot of the weapons

[uneven hollow]

Just wait for BattleFallout

[stoic breach]

The starter assault rifle should be like 3BTK

Not 6 or whatever it is

[solid hinge]

tfw 5.2 balancing is legit better than swbf2

[stoic breach]

ehhh

[solid hinge]

The starter weapons are barely even usable

[stoic breach]

Yeah

The E-11 should be 3BTK

Valken should be 2BTK

The starter pistol should be 4BTK

And the starter LMG should be 4BTK as well

[solid hinge]

Heroes in swbf2 are legit like if you gave the staghound tiger armour and cannon and made it regen upon killing enemies

[stoic breach]

Hahaha

ye

[solid hinge]

hey f8rge is on here too thats sick i forgot that hes not just the battlefront community manager

as annoying as the tanks are at least they die if you can get close to them

I forgot that too!

[strong parrot]

[solid hinge]

Probably because he's said literally nothing about battlefield in like

Half a year

hes leaving to become a producer

hes pretty active in battlefront forums and such

[stoic breach]

when dudes say "imma producer" like damn didnt know you liked vegetables so much

[solid hinge]

He was active back when I was more interested in battlefront

i actually really enjoy battlefield 5 now

like way more than launch

[stoic breach]

I have never once looked at anything Battlefront-community related

[solid hinge]

im a huge battlefront fan

[stoic breach]

Its always felt like being a rich kid and watching some homeless kid get bread for christmas or some shit

[river python]

I'm a huge fan of StarWars

[solid hinge]

hence the lego star wars pfp

well star wars in general

[stoic breach]

Battlefront players always just seemed really lame and pathetic

[uneven hollow]

You know what’s better than battlefield and battlefront
It’s BattleFallout had better and surely not broken weapons

[river python]

😩

[solid hinge]

nah we complain alot

[uneven hollow]

[stoic breach]

So I have never wanted to know any of their opinions about shit

I'm a massive star wars fan as well

which is why

[solid hinge]

I think battlefront 2 is getting devs from battlefield 5 but i could be wrong

[stoic breach]

I hate Battlefront 2 so much

It is

[solid hinge]

why its so good now

[river python]

I have battlefront 1 but not 2

[stoic breach]

pretty sure cause DICE devs get to choose where they work

[uneven hollow]

Fallout in Dice hands would make a better war game than battlefield 5 or battlefront 2 ttk

[stoic breach]

Yeah i dont think I've ever played a truly amazing star wars shooter

Battlefront 2 classic I've always loved but its nowhere near perfect

[solid hinge]

right

I think battlefront 2 2017 now is truly amazing

but thats just me

[stoic breach]

Yeah

For me, the game just really sucks

But I can abuse the fuck out of rocket trooper

So I keep the game installed

[solid hinge]

lmao nice

[stoic breach]

When I feel like trying to piss people off

[river python]

😂

[stoic breach]

Thing is, the game is decently close to being an S-tier shooter

Infinite ammo is great in theory

health regen to 100hp (or 150 or whatever) is also nice

No medic or support resource spam lets everyone focus on kills more, which is great

Battlepoint system is a genuinely good system for balancing specialist classes and snowballing

[solid hinge]

well battlefield and battlefront are my favorite franchises of all time other than lego star wars

[stoic breach]

Also visibility is really good, you can always see enemies

[solid hinge]

right

[stoic breach]

Visuals and audio are amazing

Yeah

Its so close

[solid hinge]

I wonder what heroes in battlefield 5 would look like

like would it be generals or

[stoic breach]

Pacific katana as medic class

[uneven hollow]

Wamen

[stoic breach]

theres your hero

[solid hinge]

i kinda wish they put the weapon pick ups on every map

with the flame thrower

not just pacific

[uneven hollow]

And big tity goth trans wamen as hero

[deep forge]

that will not be accurate

[stoic breach]

personally I hate weapon pickups, its too random and falls apart in terms of balance

Ironically, people say BF1 was too arcady, but then love the katana and flamethrower, as if they arent literally just Elite Classes 2.0

[solid hinge]

bf1 was amazing

[icy sluice]

You don't get increased health like you do in BF1 tho

[uneven hollow]

And terminator with machine gun and flamerthower

[stoic breach]

Well yeah, the elite classes fuckin sucked

[gray saffron]

they're not as strong as pickups in bf1. they're moer akin pickups of bf4. just strong powerful weapons that give you a slight but situational edge.

[stoic breach]

Im not defending them at all

They were awful for balance

[icy sluice]

@gray saffron Railgun

[uneven hollow]

Why can’t we have both tho

[errant yacht]

Hello chums sorry to interrupt but is there I way not to end up being brutally massacred whenever I dip in for a session on BF5.

[uneven hollow]

Pickups and hero’s

Like it’s a win win right

[deep forge]

they should remove tanks completely from the game

[uneven hollow]

3 pick ups and 1 elite class

[solid hinge]

But its battlefield you can't remove tanks

[uneven hollow]

True

[deep forge]

tanks are the definition pussy

[uneven hollow]

The snipers tanks yes they are

[solid hinge]

They just need to fix tank armour

8 damage rockets should not be happening

[deep forge]

fax

[solid hinge]

Bazooka will make tanking harder once everyone has it

No more hill camping

[uneven hollow]

I still feel like we should have the type 4 rocket launcher along with type 4 rifle

[strong parrot]

December 7th

[tidal escarp]

[deep forge]

panzershrek v bazooka

[uneven hollow]

Panzershrek v bazooka v type 4 rocket launcher

[tidal escarp]

Tiger I

[deep forge]

I don’t know why I always use guns that that were actually used by the faction I’m playing as

I gotta stop that habit

[uneven hollow]

It’s wholesome tho

[icy sluice]

I do it most of the time but not with gadgets

[deep forge]

it’s just my mindset idk

[uneven hollow]

Nothing wrong with that

[deep forge]

nah bc I don’t wanna play as a Brit with a type 2a

But the 2a is the best gun in the game

[errant yacht]

Pretend you snagged it from a corpse

Immersion

[uneven hollow]

But a jap in the European map

[deep forge]

2a wasn’t in ww2

sooo

[errant yacht]

Alternate realities

I dunno

[deep forge]

In modern day it really doesn’t matter

[strong parrot]

Bf4 weapons were similar? Pfft they were the best weapons in any game

[errant yacht]

Miss that game. T'was actually good at it

[deep forge]

you know what imma just not give a fuck anymore imma use whatever gun o want

i*

true

I should stop that habit and start thinking that this is alternate ww2

[errant yacht]

Aye

[pastel grove]

I already have been for a while

All the weapon prototypes and alternate history in the game is enough to make me see it like that

[tidal escarp]

[pastel grove]

British didn't even fight at Rotterdam

[errant yacht]

History is always being re-written Scaliger style

[deep forge]

The only gun imma use now is the 2a fuck HISTORY

with the 50 rounds it’s a wrap

[solid hinge]

if you could take one weapon from another game and put it in bfv what woukd it be

[pastel grove]

Type 99 LMG or the 1903 Springfield ngl

[deep forge]

hm

the American Thompson

[pastel grove]

That too

[deep forge]

With the 30 round clip

[keen elm]

PPSh-41

[pastel grove]

I just want them to add the 1917 American Enfield

It's been datamined and looks ready

[errant yacht]

Uzi 9mm

[deep forge]

in the last tiger campaign they made the Thompson have 30 rounds

check it

[errant yacht]

Used to live the thompson in bf4

Or was it 3

Or hardline

Cant remember

Yes

[deep forge]

only criminals can use it

[pastel grove]

Still mad there's no American Recon or JPN Assault primaries

[deep forge]

lee enfield?

eh

[pastel grove]

lee Enfield is British

[solid hinge]

that's why they lost

they had no assaults

[pastel grove]

if only they would add the Type 4/5

Basically a Japanese copy of the Garand

for U.S. Recon they could add the 1903 Springfield and the 1917 American Enfield

[errant yacht]

I'd like to see Jack Churchills longbow

[pastel grove]

That would be amazing

[deep forge]

was it used in the war tho

[errant yacht]

Yes

Just once i think

[deep forge]

the 4/5?

[pastel grove]

Yeah I believe so

Alright so apparently by the end of the war, only 100 out of 250 Type 4/5 Rifles were finished

[wind shale]

time to add wunderwaffe

[pastel grove]

Still not the most obscure weapon DICE would have put

[wind shale]

with the rest of the exprimental weapon

[pastel grove]

I'd like it in the game

It used the same stripper clips as the Arisaka Type 99

[stoic breach]

Type 4/5

Type 4 out of 5

[pastel grove]

Chauchat

[stoic breach]

RSC SMG

[pastel grove]

[grand haven]

The ever out of reach Chauchat.

[balmy condor]

bruh went 25-10 i revived the whoole team twice and it couldn't fetch my report

[errant yacht]

Punt gun

[balmy condor]

i wan chauchat

[stoic breach]

Honestly talking about obscure weapons

Cant forget the Owen SMG

The god version of the Sten

[pastel grove]

Hasn't it been datamined

[stoic breach]

Has it

[pastel grove]

I believe so

[stoic breach]

Tempos datamines are unreliable

[pastel grove]

I think Westie or someone else posted a video not too long ago

Like, it's one of those datamined that they can actually load in the game

Firing and all.

[stoic breach]

Like the chauchat Like the Welgun and Sterling

Lol tfw Chauchat is only in combined arms

And it also got nerfed

[pastel grove]

https://youtu.be/FLXt1_T_SQ0

Should be here

[stoic breach]

Aight

[raw orbit]

dw guys chauchat is coming soon

just a few more years

[balmy condor]

chauchat 2077

[solid hinge]

the sidewinder

[raw orbit]

?

[topaz dome]

first weppin in the video and it already looks like one I would love, switch between iron sights and a scope

I loved the canted sights in bf4

[solid hinge]

Dice should take notes from Paramount.

[icy sluice]

I predict by the end of BFV's life cycle that there will be more primary weapons than BF4

Already passed BF3 and BF1's weapon count

[solid hinge]

Canted sights on bfv would be so good

[icy sluice]

Don't think sights like those existed in World War II but it would've been nice

[solid hinge]

On the Arisaka rifle it had the scope on the side so you could easily look at the iron sights

bazooka is doing literally triple the damage of the panzerdaust

[main grove]

Canted sights weren’t a thing usually some rifles had the scopes placed in a way where you can still use irons

Like the said Arisaka

[solid hinge]

this is insane

doubled ammo

triple damage

quadrupled range

So it’s just a direct upgrade

[balmy condor]

👀

[main grove]

I think Faust just needs uh

[icy sluice]

Combined Arms AI Panzerfaust kinda scares the shit out of me

[main grove]

MORE AT DAMAGE

Like I think Faust should do the least splash out of the launchers for very good AT

[icy sluice]

An AI fired a rocket at me and it had zero drop

across 80m

[main grove]

You should also be able to zero Faust and PIAT

[solid hinge]

bazooka is literally better in every single way to the Faust right now

i genuinely don't know what they think they're doing

this is insane

[main grove]

I’m hoping they’re buffing Faust in 6.2

[topaz dome]

how much damage to tanks does the bazooka do comapred to piat

[main grove]

They’d be insane not to

PIAT will do around 20-25 on the front

Faust will do like 11

[solid hinge]

...really?

[main grove]

Zooka will do like 18

[solid hinge]

I get 8 damage panzerfausts and 10 damage piats

Or they could just revert to 5.2 ya know

Fuck Wake

I'm only getting 17 damage bazookas

[main grove]

My PIAT still wrecks tanks

[solid hinge]

And all of the other guns that were added

[main grove]

I’d say PIAT still does more than zooka

[solid hinge]

I've had piat damage from the sides but it's been doing peanuts to the front

Piat to side and rear is definitely higher than zooka

6.2 ID_SPARTA

[main grove]

PIAT on rear is lethal to tanks

[strong parrot]

dont shoot a tank in the front with the piat? ez

just flank bro

[solid hinge]

just went our to kill a spawn beacon in my flare and there were 5 guys by it that weren't spotted

🥴

[strong parrot]

because they werent moving?

although it spots people not moving

its only smoke that shrouds you from being spotted

and buggy mechanics

[teal compass]

but mostly smoke

[strong parrot]

oh god damnit...missed meme opportunity there, fuck it doing it anyways

"you wanted your flare to spot those 5 guys?

[teal compass]

What's the contezt

context*

oh

[woven brook]

I remember when almost nobody used flares

now they're pretty much essential

[kind perch]

But also get shot after a few seconds

Ever since that ToW challenge to shoot down 10 flares...

[strong parrot]

i remember when dice thought you shouldnt get points for shooting down flares

[teal compass]

hh

Remember when you could use one flare and cover an entire objective area?

good times

[woven brook]

I was always doing it anyways

also yes

[solid hinge]

just had 5 teammates die to a boys AT that had invisible bullets

[woven brook]

good times indeed

[teal compass]

I shot down flares when I found out you could

[solid hinge]

it needs rainbow glint

and muzzle flash

[teal compass]

like in December lol

[solid hinge]

fuck this for a laugj

[woven brook]

aw haha

[strong parrot]

rainbow glint huh? didnt know you knew how it identified

[woven brook]

I started doing it as soon as I saw them

I shot it out of spite and it actually worked

so I was all

[strong parrot]

backprone AT campers can uninstall their game

[teal compass]

I was going off the fact you can't destroy flares in bf1

[woven brook]

yeah that's fair

[teal compass]

What it I move around with an AT ridle

rifle*

[woven brook]

I kinda went "yo F u and your flare"

flare desintegrates

[teal compass]

When you hipfire with an AT rifle and land a shot

[woven brook]

[teal compass]

I had someone shoot at me from behind

and I quickly turnaround and hipfire out of instinct

and I landed a shot on him

😳

[woven brook]

Mad good

[teal compass]

I once hipfired the Kar98k

and got a headshot

twice

it was hilarious

One being on Mercury and the other being in Narvik hh

I can remember shit like this but not simple math

ok

[woven brook]

Haha

[teal compass]

haha

when you hit a headshot with the Staghound

with the adapter

[woven brook]

Well to be fair with maths you're memorizing methods

[teal compass]

yeah but like

[woven brook]

As opposed to events

[teal compass]

I have trouble learning math

[woven brook]

Yeha I feel ya

I was always like that too

[teal compass]

cus like

i have this thóught

of

'wheb will we need this in life'

[woven brook]

That's the problem I got aswell

I mean I know you use it

But when you're learning deviations and deltas and what not I find it hard to grasp because I can't put it in a practical irl use

when that happens it's hard to get it through me, not sure why

[solid hinge]

This game is such a chore to play rn

glad some people only bought it for $15

save as much money as you can

[crystal blaze]

I saw DefinedDisaster using type 2a

55-2

[solid hinge]

BF3/BF4 = Best Gunplay, Solid Maps

BF1 = most immersion and intense feeling

BFV = Best Nerf Gun Simulator

[crystal blaze]

Bf5=disappointment

[topaz dome]

you mean after nerf arena

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nerf_Arena_Blast

[raw topaz]

how do i grind in bf4

[teal compass]

how do I grind in bf4

• Iron Helment

[solid hinge]

hamada is fun

[crystal blaze]

Are you joking

[echo turtle]

That's like heresy bro

Finding something others don't find fun as fun

[solid hinge]

hamada is like my ex wife

[teal compass]

Hamada is actually fun tho

[solid hinge]

I hate it

[teal compass]

y'all just get salty that you get sniped

It's called staying behind cover

[solid hinge]

I was joking

although I do get triggered by the map because of snipers a couple of times i honestly like the map

this dude has flick headshot me 4 times

it’s decent

he hasnt missed a single shot

his last kill was while I was falling off the edge of a mountain

[echo turtle]

He's a gamer

[crystal blaze]

I saw a hacker on solomon islands

[solid hinge]

this is suspicious

[crystal blaze]

That was fun

[uneven hollow]

Imagine getting snipe when your on a tank and it misses not once but twice

In Hamada

Then making that as your backstory

[crystal blaze]

Thats like how that other elite guy just jumps over a railing

And thats the whole video

[balmy condor]

i went 0-21 but came 2nd with 18k points from reviving and healing all game

i just got called a "point booster"

[crystal blaze]

Was that for a weekly challenge

[balmy condor]

reviving or being revived by squadmates is

but i did it just 4 the score

[solid hinge]

being revived by the power of friendship

[crystal blaze]

That needle injects love

[strong parrot]

lol imagine thinking someone is hacking on console

you guys dont have hackers

[balmy condor]

[solid hinge]

and we don’t have salt either

like how you guys do on pc

[echo turtle]

We don't have salt

Lmfao

[solid hinge]

apart from voice chat

[balmy condor]

i do need 5 cups of water after every game

[uneven hollow]

Tbh Ernst is good looking but when it comes to his story it’s mega oooof

[solid hinge]

Jack is laughable

[echo turtle]

Motherfucker was wearing white with a red scarf

How did any of the British soldiers not see him

[solid hinge]

because they were trying to understand why someone was wearing white with a red scar was running around on a battlefield

and they didn’t know if he was friendly or not

[crystal blaze]

Imagine the seamus intro but he kicks open the door and dies

[open surge]

Hanna misses her shot or gets hitmarkers

[crystal blaze]

She is the common bf5 player

[open surge]

I don't see her with a type 2a

[crystal blaze]

Pre 2a

[open surge]

I don't see her with a suomi

[crystal blaze]

No

She is just bad at autos for some reason

[solid hinge]

Strafing in BF1 is so slow no way to outrun a sniper bullet at all

love the sweetspot mechanic makes it better

[teal compass]

h

[woven brook]

h

[teal compass]

above is an h

[solid hinge]

A

[woven brook]

below is another

h

[solid hinge]

j-just got killed by an AT pistol in a plane

[meager spoke]

Wuts the sweetspot mechanic

[solid hinge]

ih nutty fucking god

WHY

i called a crocodile in because we couldnt make any headway then suddenly my team pulls their finger out of their ass and takes the sector

waiting for that to move out of the way so I can get my croc then at the last moment it deletes my croc and i spawn as infantry

fuck this game done for today

[balmy condor]

[solid hinge]

Imagine a Roblox FPS game having more players than a recent AAA title 👀

and also having better gunplay

interesting

So how does the bazooka feel rn?

[hot drum]

Damm this crease gun assigment where u need to need to kill 7 enemy under 10 meter in one life or kill 25 enemy under 10 meter

[solid hinge]

So has bfv improved since launch or has it decreased in quality of gunplay?

[hot drum]

@solid hinge increased

[solid hinge]

increased def

[icy sluice]

So, something very interesting happened

I bayonet charged someone and right before that happened, they redeployed

But the animation still played so I was extremely confused on why I didn't get the kill to look up in the killfeed to see his red name

[balmy condor]

Jebaited

[icy sluice]

This guy was in the corner of the church in Arras

So he was just waiting for that shit to happen

[balmy condor]

[icy sluice]

Considering that 12 people were around, I am not mad at him...

Also, I noscoped a guy on a Kettenkrad (The Treadcycle or whatever)

[crystal blaze]

Get epic pranked

[icy sluice]

"I'd rather slit my own throat than to die by a British blade"

[crystal blaze]

No

[icy sluice]

https://streamable.com/ecro6

[crystal blaze]

He just collapsed of a heart attack

[tall finch]

having such a good time playing bf1

[icy sluice]

havin' fun with bfv mahself https://streamable.com/wlhkk

[balmy condor]

assassins creed ww2

[icy sluice]

That is how I play lol

Although it's more like Mirror's Edge

Fun-Fact there was a World War II Assassin's Creed book

[balmy condor]

i play mostly in the deploy screen

[icy sluice]

I should'a thrown down smoke and then charged but whatever lol

[gloomy kraken]

Usually when the bayonet teleports like that its when an enemy is charging.

[dense bone]

hello, local pro bf gamer here, ask me any questions youd like

dont forget to give me a follow, my 160 followes will likely follow you and ill get you more views

[teal phoenix]

@dense bone when will sliding be reduced to a pathetic stop so the elites have to figure out other ways to run away after killing you

[crude orchid]

panzerstorm is my favorite map and they should introduce a pacific map with the same idea

[fierce radish]

Yea

The problem is that defeats the purpose of the pacific

[dense bone]

@teal phoenix that is not a pro question

[fierce radish]

Yea not cool

Also

It’s a shame WESTSIDE died

[dense bone]

yea, but sorry, im a pro gamer now

[fierce radish]

Yup