stay out of pc
#battlefield-legacy-titles
brave coral
i got a pm acccusing me of spinbotting because i got a really lucky flick on someone with an lmg lmao
idle breach
just immigrate to western US server with 130 ping
feral grotto
My major major problem is the Asians flooding eu servers..
open surge
My pet peeve is this wacky silent V1 bug
gray glade
or just silent planes
solid hinge
Dunno played a lot bf3 and bf4 on pc, havent noticed so many hackers like on cod
idle breach
brave coral
it can be a bit annoying @open surge
idle breach
oh, I just got in to this server
feral grotto
Specially those SAGA clan guys..
Majority of the server got 160ping plus..
open surge
The Japanese did what the Germans couldn't
gray glade
complete silence... for minutes...then WOOAAHH a plane and BOOM
idle breach
that 98-0 people is def not a hacker but a just very skilled person
let's turn on the killlog
open surge
High kills, support
brave coral
wym he just has a good gaming chair 
feral grotto
I had a score similar to that on breakthrough on Solomon...
open surge
feral grotto
I was in the tank you get on the us side at start
idle breach
wow. filling killlog every kill headshot what a pro
solid hinge
I have got 103-0 with tank on bf3, nothing cant be done
feral grotto
Cuz of laggers and cheaters it's not very pleasant to play around those hours and earlier on EU..
Sadly.. dice do shit about it
idle breach
yeah kill 10 people under 5 second with every bullet in the head over 100 meter.
nothing can't be done
solid hinge
How u could even got on asian servers lel
idle breach
unfortunately I'm asian so
solid hinge
Use usa or eu region then
feral grotto
So stay off EU servers
mild remnant
Cuz of laggers and cheaters it's not very pleasant to play around those hours and earlier on EU..
@feral grotto I feel you. I did stop playing bf v becouse of those shiets
idle breach
did some cheat selling site went full 90% sale or what wtf
feral grotto
@feral grotto I feel you. I did stop playing bf v becouse of those shiets
@mild remnant
That's why I just play later in the day.. it's horrible
mild remnant
joining server that is 80 procent full off chinese laggers
idle breach
today is so fucking worse than normal
mild remnant
I have played now titanfall 2 and bf 4
brave coral
EU
cedar crown
sweet
if you're up for game in a few hours lemme know
eu and us servers are the best for me but preferably EU
mild remnant
Even night time there is too much laggers some servers bf v
solid hinge
Only eu, coz if i try us then ping is around 230
cedar crown
mine goes between 160 to 300 on US
mild remnant
I have most time 35-50 on eu servers
cedar crown
mine normally is around 80 on EU
mild remnant
My friends ho have that kinda ping is having fibre-optic connection.
hot drum
idle breach
aaaand now I got a cheater doing MMG hipfire with no recoil
mild remnant
Nice and here we have people ho is saying i havent never see cheater in bfv
idle breach
lucky you
mild remnant
Some chinese cheater did have double health if i seen it jackfrags yt video in i rember correctly
mild remnant
i have seen +300 nolife lvl
prime pine
Im currently the only level 300 in oceania
mild remnant
pro gamer
cedar crown
really ranks dont matter
mild remnant
sometimes yes
idle breach
mg42 standing hipfiring headshootstreak pro master gamer
mild remnant
What a low life loser
cedar crown
lol
prime pine
They show how much experience some has in the game
cedar crown
lmao
really sometimes those headshots are more of a lucky shot rather than anything else
mild remnant
Do i have to lauch bfv and check how much lagger are now in the servers.
cedar crown
it pisses the one being killed off ? yes for sure
prime pine
Headshots feel good
signal moon
I enjoy breakthrough but the thing is defenders don’t do their job
cedar crown
but when you are the one who got the headshot like that you wouldnt say you are a cheater because you simply aren't cheating
balmy condor
headshots are so satisfying
prime pine
Cheaters do exist here
balmy condor
that yellow skull only means good things
prime pine
On console
signal moon
They just camp in houses
prime pine
But its not like how it is on pc
signal moon
@lavish tartan wrong
mild remnant
I have one recorded clip but is over 1gb size what is the easiet way to compress it ?
signal moon
People can hack on console
cedar crown
its rare that you find a cheater on console
prime pine
You cant hack on the next gen consoles
cedar crown
especially on ps4
balmy condor
cheaters and PC are on a whole new level i saw one yesterday set my entire team on fire
signal moon
They can download a software to the PS4
cedar crown
idk about xbox
prime pine
The closest to cheating on console is using mouse and keyboard
cedar crown
haha
prime pine
Which has an inherit advantage
lavish tartan
@lavish tartan wrong
@signal moon Emm how ? 😄
signal moon
So they don’t have a advantage
prime pine
I may of run someone over on accident
balmy condor
cedar crown
funny moment on battlefield
prime pine
cedar crown
someone was placing dynamites on my tank and i was fighting a tank at the same time
i had to go backward and killed the assault without knowing they were behind me
prime pine
Haha
balmy condor
what an unlucky person 
cedar crown
nice kill
prime pine
You saw how confused i was right ?
balmy condor
just drifted into him
cedar crown
lmao
balmy condor
that quick look back says it all
prime pine
"There was a guy there!?"
balmy condor
cedar crown
hahahahahah
balmy condor
feckin hell
cedar crown
best part when you got someone driving a jeep speeding off and they hit a road bump and fly
and then i was sitting in a tank watching it all and i shot him mid air
balmy condor
ww2 german space program colourised
tribal cairn
I once turned myself into a bomb with my friend on a bomber
I jumped out,
Parachuted and headed towards a tank,
Then lunge mined him as soon as my feet hit the ground
cedar crown
dayum!
now thats skills
on bf4 i used to strap the atvs with dynamites and go blow up tanks with it
prime pine
I do have an unfortunate event happening too
cedar crown
yeah like spawning on someone when a tank is about to shoot them
but you end up being shot instead
pulsar mica
I was once stuck in a v2 rocket when I bailed out of a plane. The V2 killed me once it landed . Epic moments bruh
prime pine
open surge
almost got bazooka
queen canopy
h
balmy condor
h
tough lodge
I hate scrolling through formatted post on discord mobile
cedar crown
took the zeroed type 97 and destroyed 3 lvts
tough lodge
Because it will copy everything on clipbosrd
cedar crown
that was a mix of luck and skills
mild remnant
Must have good new mouse atleast
stoic breach
You
balmy condor
gaming chair
mild remnant
I have spectated several players. Why those gamepad players aim is totally off enemies still their bullets hit enemy ?
idle breach
spectating is not really sync player's view well
so sometimes it looks like people are shootint at random place
mild remnant
yea but this dude was aiming like 2m high still hitting
Second time this and both seems to use pad on pc.
idle breach
Pro sniper lol
mild remnant
nice chair endeed
idle breach
4,500 spm with sniper rifle
mild remnant
in 3.4mins 😄
idle breach
just a good chair
mild remnant
Its just stupid to try play this game right now.
balmy condor
hes got LEDs
idle breach
rainbow LED finger
stoic breach
Probably the dumbest hacker in existence
Why the fuck would you bother hacking with the ross rifle
Thats like anti-fun
idle breach
yeah
stoic breach
Cause a bolt action hacker is actually as useful as a good bolt action player
That is to say, near useless
idle breach
some cheaters just rolling with lewis, some cheaters hop in bomber gunner seat and do the fucking AC-130
open surge
God damn I love Pacific breakthrough
stoic breach
Thats way more useful than hacking with a bolt action
idle breach
some cheaters buy elite skins and do the gold gun assignment lol
mild remnant
His making trick shots with sniper
mild remnant
Sad kid
stoic breach
Yeah, hacking with a bolt action is still less useful than a legit player using a ZH29
stoic breach
How does he only have 20 more kills with only 10 more minutes
balmy condor
equips M1919A6 turns on aim bot Fortunate son starts playing
stoic breach
Actually its not even 20
stoic breach
I was gonna say
queen canopy
Imagine having to cheat
balmy condor
stoic breach
Even if you're gonna cheat why would you ever use a bolt action
I still don't understand
queen canopy
Bold of you to assume people who cheat are smart
stoic breach
Yeah but why would you care enough about the game to level up if you're cheating in the first place
idle breach
and assignment
stoic breach
queen canopy
Imagine having to deal with cheaters 
stoic breach
I mean, if I was cheating I would probably use the revolver cause its funny
idle breach
imagine playing game with a machine that can't even play porn with bfv windowed mode
oh I've seen revolver cheater too
funny one
queen canopy
its high noon
stoic breach
Revolver cheater sounds cryptic
Oh yeah revolver cheater is just mcree in general
Lol how is overwatch considered a competitive shooter
idle breach
it doesn't really look like a cheater since
queen canopy
idle breach
in some range you'd feel like someone is poking you with SAR
stoic breach
Probably
idle breach
and wonder what the fuck is going on in 50m ahead teammates are dying like got some plague
stoic breach
Still got nerfed though
idle breach
and go up and learn
stoic breach
idle breach
oh this is why
queen canopy
Yeah but not much
idle breach
it's ironically funny to see something like
teammate desperately chatting "don
dont smoke the cheater shoots through
queen canopy
Lul
stoic breach
Dude
queen canopy
The best are when people say “Stop hacking”
stoic breach
Are cheaters secretly based as fuck
Punishing shitters and medics for smoke spamming
idle breach
or sometime
more like regularly there are more than one cheater in each team so
please our cheater go to C
your 360 nobipod aimhack MMG is useless when there are no enemy
stoic breach
Dont know why cheaters dont use tanks
idle breach
they sometimes do but
it's not really that scary
but some cheaters are actually better than average player with cheat and that's fucking awful
stoic breach
Thats the best part, nobody would know because getting camped by a cheater in a tank is just as shit as getting camped by a regular player
The absolute state of battlefield v
open surge
It's weird how we have guns like the 2a, grease gun and the zh29
They feel frozen in time in 5.0
stoic breach
Why is that weird
open surge
StG too
stoic breach
I guess compared to 5.0 actually
prime pine
SHOTGUN
stoic breach
I dont think the STG is as good as people think
open surge
I like it a lot
stoic breach
Even in 5.0 it wasnt nearly the best assault rifle
open surge
Does decent damage and is laser
prime pine
The STG44 admittedly wasn't all too great before. Now though it's extremely good because everything else is shit.
open surge
The problem is every other AR is meh
stoic breach
Lol yeah probably
open surge
So it shines
prime pine
Yeah that's the problem. It's got no competition against is. The STG 1-5 was a more aggressive 44
But now that rifle has no real use
stoic breach
The M4 was definitely better than the StG though
stoic breach
Probably
solid hinge
poor assault rifles
stoic breach
Lol yeah
Rip Breda
Especially
It was so fucking close man
Then they had to fuck everything else up
main grove
Any date on 6.2?
main grove
Or has DICE given up on ever releasing dates for things since they always either delay it or make it rushed
Like what Blizzard does
stoic breach
I heard DICE was adding more recoil back to guns
main grove
6.2 they said is gonna use 5.0’s baseline
stoic breach
Nice
solid hinge
they say they dont want to disappoint people with changing dates so they wont announce it until it's absolutely confirmed, but they're literally still fucking things up while doing this
balmy condor
solid hinge
im actually more mad
stoic breach
Nice
main grove
Dude if it was a viable idea then I’d say just stop supporting the game for a few months and make a god tier mega patch
In that time
idle breach
cheaters should go commit sudoku
main grove
Kind of like what SWBF2 does
solid hinge
im guessing it's not that they're afraid of disappointing people but it's that they dont want people to actually see how far back they have to push everything
prime pine
They should just dedicate themselves to just fixing bugs for fucks sake
earnest wharf
sudoku is the game btw
idle breach
and anticheat
prime pine
Haha
prime pine
Heylo Azura by the way
earnest wharf
hello
prime pine
How are you
idle breach
hello
main grove
I’m still pretty sure they don’t want to fund this game much anyway
balmy condor
hello
stoic breach
Hey azura
prime pine
I've been using those shots you've been doing, Frontal track shots with HEAT shells for extra damage (Or just general shells)
earnest wharf
sudoku is the number game where you put numbers in that box.
seppuku is what you meant
lol
prime pine
It really does make a difference
prime pine
Isn't Seppuku basically honourary suicide?
earnest wharf
lol
idle breach
highest difficulty
main grove
This is the last BF before next gen
balmy condor
yesu
stoic breach
Honourary redeploy
open surge
seppuku is a samurai's honourable suicide yeah
main grove
That alone is a huge reason to not fund the game
idle breach
yeah
main grove
And bother wasting money on anti cheat
stoic breach
Maybe japanese soldiers preferred to respawn instead of running to objectives
earnest wharf
I do that at times when i can't retreat after a sector is taken
no one shall kill me
idle breach
but irl traditional japanese soldiers/samurais didn't really do much seppuku
open surge
Nah they have to run to them
balmy condor
imagine if this game was released in 2019
open surge
Or else the swarm of Sherman's will take it
balmy condor
imagine how better it could've been
stoic breach
The game would probably be worse if they waited a year
balmy condor
idle breach
it's kinda like "romantical knights" image written by modern writers
queen canopy
People would complain about lack of BF1 content
balmy condor
stoic breach
They probably would've started the game with 5.2
balmy condor
ah
idle breach
irl samurais and soldiers were expected to win, not fucking suicide
main grove
If they delayed battlefield 5 until PS5/Xbox Series X
stoic breach
I wish BF1 got an extra year of support
balmy condor
well
open surge
better than suddenly messing everything up
prime pine
Just use the STG - 44 and have fun with that
open surge
If it starts like that then there's no huge backlash
idle breach
today I learned the line from the battlefield
prime pine
I got damascus for it and it feels really good
balmy condor
im using the suomi
main grove
Fuck I hate that name
balmy condor
i love it
idle breach
"HACKER YOUR MOM IS DEATH"
balmy condor
prime pine
Chi ha - Chi nu - Chi ri
main grove
I still like grease gun the most
earnest wharf
standard english right there
idle breach
the death mom.
balmy condor
i got called an arab hacker bic
idle breach
imagine being a son of DEATH
prime pine
Don't even like the submachine guns personally. I'll just use the thompson or whatever when i do play it.
main grove
Just wish it didn’t look like a piece of shit
queen canopy
Roblox has the best salt
idle breach
does roblox also has a son of death
balmy condor
i forgot the thompson existed
prime pine
Replace the suppressor cloth with the golden barrel misc. It makes the cloth black.
main grove
I’m a fan of SMGs being low recoil that kinda makes sense
idle breach
yeah
balmy condor
imma use it
prime pine
So you can make the gun stock and basically have a black gun
main grove
That’s why SMGs actually fit this damage model
stoic breach
SMGs being low vrec and higher hrec is actually nice
idle breach
i wish
main grove
But not ARs or LMGs
idle breach
there were high recoil smg and low recoil smg
solid hinge
Is chu japenese uwu?
stoic breach
SMGs dont fit this damage model
idle breach
no
solid hinge
@prime pine
stoic breach
SMGs being 4-6, 4-7 or 4-8BTK is great
idle breach
if you uwu, people will assume you're furry or some weird thing but chu is not
stoic breach
Spread stops them from lasering
prime pine
I just want to get wolfenstein to work
queen canopy
Can’t wait to see reddit still throwing shit at the wall when 6.2 releases because they want 5.0 and 5.0 only
solid hinge
Cause I am Owo
idle breach
uwu = perv idiot
chu = just an idiot
balmy condor
i just want my semi auto rifles bacc
main grove
I mean how long is it gonna gave a 4btk up to fucking 30m or something?
balmy condor
👀
queen canopy
Chuwu
earnest wharf
6.2 is most likely a mix of 5.0 and 5.2.2
idle breach
chuwu should be our new tank
queen canopy
That’s I think the plan
idle breach
i mean
stoic breach
SMGs being 4BTK up to 10m was good
idle breach
we're getting tank customization
stoic breach
Thats how it was originally
solid hinge
I'm sowwy~ i can't hewp it i'm addicted to uwu's
main grove
Right 10m that’s fine
main grove
Because I look at min max damage and not drop off usually
prime pine
Just double the mid range damage model for all of the guns
queen canopy
Also Azura good vid on maneuvers
main grove
4-8 is AR damage to me
balmy condor
the almighty salad tank
stoic breach
4-6 is AR damage
brave coral
main thing i care about is MG damage
prime pine
Have the 6 hit kill end at 100 metres that's so fucking easy
But no
For dice its hard
stoic breach
I mean, are you expecting to laser people at 100m though
prime pine
They can't even fucking pick up the pieces and make proper weapon balanced even if they tried
stoic breach
Or even 50m
main grove
Yes
brave coral
i think you do kind of need more than base+2 at long range for stuff like ARs though
prime pine
That's the thing, Lmg's i'd say are effective till 80
main grove
Guns in this game are mega fucking accurate
stoic breach
If the weapon doesn't kill in the first 4-6 bullets of a magazine, its not meant to be used at that range
queen canopy
Because there’s no recoil right now
main grove
Every weapon in this game feels like a laser
stoic breach
Just because you can kill someone at range, doesnt mean the weapon is actually good at it
main grove
I can’t remember recoil at all
earnest wharf
wasn't like this before
queen canopy
There was recoil before
queen canopy
Recoil patterns
earnest wharf
previous recoil wasn't bad either
queen canopy
They were designed to be learnable and controllable
brave coral
recoil was pretty controllable in 5.0 yeah
queen canopy
Which I liked
balmy condor
Several people are typing
main grove
You could still easily kill someone in like 500ms with an M1907 at 50m
earnest wharf
there is no recoil pattern in this game, it is random
stoic breach
The recoil was still completely random in 5.0 though
stoic breach
You could only "learn" like the first 5 bullets
After that it was completely random
earnest wharf
there is a trend for recoil but it is far from a pattern
brave coral
honestly strongest pattern was the Thompson
queen canopy
I distinctly remember guns like the Thompson recoiling sharply up to the right every time
stoic breach
Just recoilled in a specific direction
queen canopy
Ah
blissful bane
:/ I spawned in a churchill crocodile but it got insta killed
queen canopy
Ok whatever im dumb lol
main grove
I thought it was H rec bias
earnest wharf
like people talk about recoil pattern like in counter strike, this is nothing like it
you can't retrace the same pattern every time and learn it
stoic breach
Even counter strike's recoil patterns are stupid, and you shouldnt try to learn them at all
earnest wharf
one major issue with bf5 that's outside of ttk
idle breach
historically accurate TTK
earnest wharf
I think recoil pattern lets you learn the game, it gives depth, gives players something to learn and get better
idle breach
and historically accurate recoil pattern
prime pine
Alongside trigger discipline
stoic breach
I think calibrating the amount of spread and having players just burst fire is good enough
idle breach
and the reverse spread
open surge
Stuff
prime pine
Before hand when i first used the fg42 i kept on expending the poor thing most of the time. But since i know when to stop shooting and to get a quick reload, I've become a lot better with it.
idle breach
bf1 machine guns
earnest wharf
All the competitive games have a pattern
idle breach
it gets accurate when you shoot longer
stoic breach
I mean, BFV was still random
prime pine
Alongside getting triple kills with a single mag
earnest wharf
that's why you can keep raising the skill ceiling
prime pine
It's random but you can reduce the majority of the randomness
stoic breach
CSGO's recoil patterns are just misleading
stoic breach
You shouldnt try and control recoil in CSGO because it requires you to stand still for too long
prime pine
beam people with it
stoic breach
First shot accuracy is more important than learning to magdump
earnest wharf
you need to know how to control it for spray
idle breach
remember 1.6 recoil?
earnest wharf
of course it is best if you can just click their head
stoic breach
If you have to fire more than 6 bullets from the AK you've already failed to use it properly
idle breach
cs 1.6 mac10 recoil
balmy condor
Several people are typing
stoic breach
Clicking heads isnt the point
earnest wharf
not really, a lot of people spray
balmy condor
nah
earnest wharf
depends on the situation
stoic breach
Just based on bodyshot damage and spread modulation, if you have to fire more than 6 shots from a gun, you've already failed to use it properly
earnest wharf
it is not always about killing one person
queen canopy
laughs in Negev
stoic breach
Even then, trigger discipline is still generally better
earnest wharf
not when you have the entire team rush you
queen canopy
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plucky torrent
I miss 5.0 m1 carbine
stoic breach
But at that point you shouldnt be winning gunfights unless you're using the right weapon for it
idle breach
just delete the guns
stoic breach
CSGO with BF1 style spread would probably function the same way as CSGO with its current spread model
queen canopy
I miss 5.0 SAR ROFs
queen canopy
Thankfully that’s coming back with 6.2
queen canopy
As well as actual recoil
balmy condor
stoic breach
If you get sprayed down at range with the AK, its definitely your fault
queen canopy
How did we get to talking about CS?
solid hinge
RECOIL
stoic breach
Yeah it was a recoil discussion
open surge
Oh god the plane talks
queen canopy
Yeah I do
idle breach
it's a plane!
queen canopy
stoic breach
I mean despite all that, BFV generally doesnt need a recoil pattern system
open surge
Hans, get ze Fliegerfaust!
main grove
It just feels like that the only people complaining about TTK and recoil are fucking sweats complaining that the game is not tailor made for hardcore megalul gamers like themselves to stamp on people who just wanna have fun
stoic breach
Modern Warfare's spread system would work wonders in BFV
queen canopy
laughs in maneuverability
main grove
5.0 felt fucking hardcore most of the time
queen canopy
I seriously hate FF’s though
main grove
It was hard to stay alive
queen canopy
I don’t even go after infantry that often
idle breach
i don't fucking care if recoil makes my character to fucing throw the gun away 50m away just make the anti cheat
main grove
Like playing Fucking RS2
solid hinge
i dislike recoil patterns
queen canopy
So 90% of the time it’s some salty bomber main whose mad I keep shooting them down
open surge
Can we turn type 2a into the automatico
stoic breach
Theres probably other reasons why the game felt hardcore
earnest wharf
I love playing casual but playing casual doesn't mean it should stop allowing a skill gap
stoic breach
Attrition, bad visibility
queen canopy
Isn’t it already?
stoic breach
All of that
earnest wharf
now bf5 aiming takes out recoil control as a skill set
queen canopy
I miss attrition
stoic breach
Attrition isnt gone
main grove
Attrition is the fucking worst
open surge
Automatico takes effort to aim unlike 2a
stoic breach
Lul
main grove
Why
queen canopy
I don’t like being a walking warehouse
main grove
Why did they add it
open surge
What even is attrition
stoic breach
Players just spawn with more ammo
earnest wharf
i love it
main grove
It’s not gun ammo
stoic breach
Automatico doesnt take effort to aim
queen canopy
I literally never run out of ammo now
main grove
It’s GADGET ammo
earnest wharf
no more running around asking for ammo after killing 3 people
open surge
Is it the whole planes having to base thing
main grove
And vehicle ammo
open surge
Oh and the boxes
queen canopy
Sort of yeah
idle breach
if somebody want COMPETITIVE, DEEP, HARDCORE game they should just play some fucking fighter games in asian arcades
open surge
Ok nah that's fine
queen canopy
Basically you have to keep yourself supplied if you want to win
idle breach
and get fucking wrecked by 50yrs old lady
stoic breach
Real soldiers in WW2 carried alot of ammo
queen canopy
Makes you think a bit more instead of just running and gunning with infinite ammo
main grove
Enjoy those 4 rockets on the staghound that aren’t awful but after 4 shots you must drive all the way back to a station
Same with snake launchers
solid hinge
i dislike support ammo pouch being useless
stoic breach
Why should players in BFV get limited by a literally unrealistic mechanic
solid hinge
Because they can slide backwards
queen canopy
Lul
solid hinge
If you can slide backwards you get two magazines max
main grove
If tulip rockets and snake launcher was on a cooldown that would make them actually attractive
open surge
I do not like sliding
idle breach
irl soldiers did not carried a lots of ammo?
open surge
It's the game trying to match COD
idle breach
mostly?
queen canopy
I’m actually happy about the resupply system for planes
stoic breach
Plus you still have to think about using your ammo properly
open surge
stoic breach
Reloading during a gunfight is a thing that exists
main grove
The ammo in BF1 was near perfect
brave coral
it wasn’t exactly hard to come across ammo before they buffed it though
queen canopy
It’s a good balancer for air to ground stuff
queen canopy
I was so used to being careful about ammo count
brave coral
the only guns i regularly ran out of ammo on were SLRs
queen canopy
And I liked it
main grove
I never ran out of gun ammo in BFV ever
stoic breach
That sounds like unfun
brave coral
and maybe the Thompson with Light Bolt
main grove
Maybe a couple times on the Lee when I was being a spammy sniper
stoic breach
Being ammo concious can just be achieved by infinite ammo but magazines regenerate
idle breach
@main grove that's because you're not a cheater
stoic breach
So if you run out, you have to wait for regen to apply
queen canopy
No please not magical ammo resupply
stoic breach
That would be more difficult to play against than attrition
Because you wouldnt be able to rely on supports
main grove
Ammo resupply on vehicles was fine
main grove
But now what the fuck is the point of support
queen canopy
Attrition is more realistic though
idle breach
attrition is historically accurate
stoic breach
Its not
queen canopy
It’s a more feasible situation then magical fucking ammo
brave coral
interns of gun ammo all you need to do if you’re running low isho town objective
earnest wharf
bf5 is not historically accurate and it shouldn't be 
stoic breach
Players in BFV: spawn with 2 spare magazines
Soldiers in WW2: deploy with 17 spare magazines
earnest wharf
in terms of gameplay mechanics
idle breach
okay but
stoic breach
You see the problem
idle breach
let's talk about one thing that we should agree
idle breach
why are the soldiers carry fuckton of sidearm ammo?
main grove
Why is the topic about magazines and not gadget/vehicle ammo
stoic breach
That was max ammo
brave coral
depend omg on the gun
queen canopy
I honestly think some vehicle ammo counts should be higher
idle breach
WHY CARRY LIKE FUCKING 10 SIDEARM MAG
brave coral
idk @main grove
queen canopy
Like tanks
stoic breach
In total
earnest wharf
you need a ton of side arm ammo so you can be like tom hanks shooting at the tank with his m1911
stoic breach
Pistols should do more damage, but only carry like 2 spare mags
brave coral
but i agree that’s the thing that attrition actually affects
stoic breach
Fck I messed up my message
idle breach
12 mags for your pistol
stoic breach
Pistols should do more damage but carry less ammo
idle breach
it should feel like you get food for 1 week and 70 forks
queen canopy
Tfw you run Thompson and m1911 so all your guns use the same ammo
brave coral
currently i think soldiers carry a bit too much primary ammo but if they reduce the max then keep it higher than before
stoic breach
Pistols should spawn with one magazine loaded, and two magazines spare, so you can only reload twice
brave coral
and yeah a pistol buff + ammo carry reduction could be nice
idle breach
and katana should be replaced with more historically accurate thing
queen canopy
Pistols are already pretty powerful
stoic breach
Then something like pistol carbine secondaries for recons could actually exist
queen canopy
Oh my god the katana is so dumb
main grove
Holy shit the bazooka has actual irons and you Zero them AND THEY ACTUALLY MATCH THE IRONS
queen canopy
Especially with medics
idle breach
i don't think the katana was actual sword used in ww2
stoic breach
Only be able to reload once, but you get a nice accurate secondary
brave coral
yeah bazooka is nice
idle breach
YEAH AND IT'S FUCKING OVERPOWERED YAY
stoic breach
And other pistols could just do the same or more damage
queen canopy
I mean it was used, but not really officially
brave coral
katana is just a meme though
earnest wharf
katana is definitely used but more in the form of Gunto
main grove
It was carried by officers for non combat reasons
idle breach
why is the new japanese elite carrying a fucking Tachi
queen canopy
I went on like a 15 killstreak just running/sliding/spamming heals on Solomon Islands last night
They legit couldn’t kill me
stoic breach
The pistols in BFV arent that strong
earnest wharf
they suck
stoic breach
Even the SW27 is weak in comparison to some of the BF1 guns
queen canopy
M1911 would like to know your location
stoic breach
Including semi-auto pistols
main grove
Because self heal is not on a small cooldown like it should be
stoic breach
Self heal shouldn't exist
brave coral
M1911 is the strongest self loading pistol
earnest wharf
bf5 side arms are overall weaker than in previous titles
brave coral
and it’s pretty weak after 10 metres or so
queen canopy
Also the model 27 is a monster in the right hands
stoic breach
All of those strong pistols
main grove
Pistols in BF1 had fuck all accuracy though
queen canopy
Obrez?
stoic breach
SW27 is still weaker than BF1 auto revolver
stoic breach
Auto revolver has more utility
queen canopy
Yeah it does like 70/shot up close
stoic breach
Automatic, better rate of fire
stoic breach
SW27 would be on the weaker end or mid tier of secondaries in BF1
It would probably just be like using the No.3
So around mid tier I guess
Not good not bad
main grove
I liked Nagant revolver despite it being bad
main grove
I would have liked it to be 3btk up to 30m or something
brave coral
honestly though
stoic breach
I forgot BF1 had the peacekeeper as well
idle breach
it's because sidearms are not really more advanced during ww1~ww2 while main weapons got more advanced
queen canopy
Practically speaking, the SW27 is a better finisher
idle breach
and soldiers during WW1 were weaker
stoic breach
Yeah, its a nice finisher
brave coral
why did they fuck over bolt actions so hard
queen canopy
You’d have to have dealt less damage in advance to get OSK
coarse thunder
How would ww1 soldiers be weaker
stoic breach
Because people complained they were too strong
main grove
They are getting a buff but still no sweet spot
brave coral
ik
queen canopy
Revolvers are best used as a finisher
idle breach
less fat
brave coral
but like in 5.2 we thought they’d get an indirect buff
queen canopy
Because of strong stopping power
solid hinge
in bfv?
brave coral
bc they said they were leaving them alone
stoic breach
I hate that so much
queen canopy
Yeah no fuck BF1 snipers
solid hinge
they have longer switch times than the other pistols
coarse thunder
The only thing you could argue is with hindsight and that's lack of knowledge of certain tactics, but then again that's using hindsight and is frankly insulting
brave coral
‘oops forgot we’re significantly reducing RoF as well’
queen canopy
All though I hate how there’s no way to stop a sniper from scoping you in BFV
Seriously it feels like there’s no flinch
stoic breach
Imagine complaining about BF1 snipers having similar bodyshot DPS to other weapons 😔
brave coral
there isn’t
stoic breach
Scope sway sucks
brave coral
add suppression flinch and buff bolt actions
stoic breach
Thats actually good if its not there
brave coral
but suppression should remain counterable
stoic breach
Flinch is just irritating
brave coral
it shouldn’t be completely RNG
stoic breach
Suppression was counterable in BF1
queen canopy
I mean not looking for CoD style fucking asthma attack sway, but if thats guys sitting in the back of the map, make him have to think for two seconds please
idle breach
when fully suppressed it should be some differenccece
brave coral
yeah
keen nebula
hello
stoic breach
Suppression was one of the factors that balanced snipers in BF1
Also rainbow scope glint
brave coral
if only just make it so you can’t steady scope when suppressed
stoic breach
If you saw a sniper, you knew you were about to be fucked, but you also had the opportunity to suppress them
queen canopy
I had a love hate relationship with suppression in BF1
stoic breach
It was great
idle breach
have you been suppressed in real life?
brave coral
but in that case bolts need a buff
keen nebula
looking for players bfv
idle breach
we need a person with actual experience
stoic breach
Yeah, suppression and sweetspots need to be added back to BFV
queen canopy
Go to the looking for players chats @keen nebula
keen nebula
on pc
stoic breach
Why shouldnt snipers be easy to use at range when automatics are easy in mid range
solid hinge
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strong parrot
What's this week's reward
idle breach
no he's not looking for players to play with he's just looking for PLAYERS
stoic breach
Bolt carbines can just be given to recon for "skill" players (masochists)
brave coral
US cosmetic set
solid hinge
He just wants them
queen canopy
oh really?
stoic breach
Just buff jungle carbine to a 200m headshot
strong parrot
must play all night then
solid hinge
just buff jungle carbine
solid hinge
😟
stoic breach
Jungle carbine being buffed wouldnt be an issue if snipers got sweetspots
idle breach
jungle carbine does 200% damage in jungle maps.
brave coral
bolt carbines are fine on Medic if they buff the Recon bolts to actually be better than them
strong parrot
Jungle carbine now only works on Solomon
stoic breach
Bolt carbine just doesnt fit medic's kit
Thats my biggest problem with them being medic weapons
They fit recon more by far
So they should be recon weapons
strong parrot
It fits it if you want to be cool and act all skillful 1 tapping people while ignoring your roll
stoic breach
Aw hecka yeah
strong parrot
Aww yeah look at this kd
stoic breach
Honestly, this balance just writes itself honestly
Give carbines to recon, buff bolt actions to make them good at bodyshots (bodyshot DPS), and buff SLRs to be good at headshots (follow-up shots, SLRs remain good at bodyshots, but have lower burst-DPS than bolt actions)
That would be ideal
Also make AT Rifles gadgets instead of primaries, with increased AT power
sonic rampart
Jungle carbine shouldve been a recon weapon tbh
stoic breach
All the carbines shouldve been recon weapons
But Tromboncino grenade should be a medic gadget
Just without the bolt action part
queen canopy
Ehh
idle breach
medic should got the flamethrower
queen canopy
Oh god no
earnest wharf
all class should get all the grenades
sonic rampart
Ye
queen canopy
Fliegerflammenwerfer?
earnest wharf
why can i only run smoke on medic...
open surge
Idk why they locked grenades to classes
earnest wharf
and recon
open surge
Assault would really like smokes
stoic breach
I sort of like class specific grenades
earnest wharf
i wanna smoke and shotgun
open surge
Let's you get close to armour
earnest wharf
but i can't
stoic breach
But yeah more classes should get smokes
sonic rampart
All classes should get shotguns and carbines 
idle breach
medic shouldve got this
open surge
Medic with shotgun 
idle breach
suomi with underbarrel flamethrower(historically accurate)
stoic breach
But only assault should have AT grenades
earnest wharf
medic with shotgun is fine too lol
stoic breach
Shotgun medic is so dumb
open surge
Suomi with flamethrower lol
stoic breach
I hate that
open surge
Suomi level 4 spec incoming?
sonic rampart
Sniper medics is dumb
earnest wharf
one say medic shouldn't rush, one say medic shouldn't be sniper
sonic rampart
Medics shouldnt camp in the back of the map with snipers
stoic breach
Yeah obviously
gray saffron
medics shouldn't move!
earnest wharf
medic should just be in a plane and throw med packs from up in the sky
open surge
Medic should become a school nurse
sonic rampart
Medics should get pistols only 
stoic breach
BF1 medic was nice because they were strong, but it couldve been improved in BFV
earnest wharf
or medics can just stay in spawn and people need to carry downed teammates back to spawn
stoic breach
Instead now you just get really stupid SMG rush godmode medic
open surge
I just don't like how they made medic a bumrush class
gray saffron
they're just as tanky as any other class ;D
brave coral
so what should they have
earnest wharf
lol people complain about bf1 medic saying they are sniper medics
open surge
lol
stoic breach
Yeah
queen canopy
Yeah but you gotta rush for those revives
earnest wharf
and now they make them close range class and people complain about them being a close range class
stoic breach
BF1 medic being "sniper" isnt that bad because they didnt have "snipers" exclusively
brave coral
honestly just add a cooldown on self heal
sonic rampart
Bf1 medics were bad
earnest wharf
and if they make them a medium range class, people will just complain saying that why are they in the middle?
stoic breach
Midrange medic is ideal
open surge
People realised that giving the close quarter class infinite healing is bad
sonic rampart
Medics rn are better except for them having carbines
main grove
I’d say ARs would have been alright for medic
sonic rampart
The smgs are fine with medics
stoic breach
Yeah
main grove
If ARs had a small range decrease
stoic breach
AR medic is perfect
earnest wharf
let's be honest, whatever they do, there will always be people complaining
brave coral
exactly
main grove
Very small though
earnest wharf
AR medic... that's BF3 medic
open surge
I liked the engineer or anti tank class being the smg class
brave coral
especially when it comes to medic
stoic breach
Thats only because medics can heal the best
sonic rampart
AR medic is just medic assault
stoic breach
Which is why medics shouldn't have the best healing
earnest wharf
and people complain about BF3 assault
stoic breach
Yeah because they had the best healing
open surge
Cos their guns were broken
stoic breach
BF4 medic as well
earnest wharf
and if medics shouldn't have the best healing, why are they medics?
stoic breach
Tankiest class
brave coral
why would medic... not have healing
sonic rampart
^
stoic breach
BF1 medic, tankiest class
sonic rampart
They were fine
stoic breach
BFV medic, tankiest class
open surge
AEK, M16, pre nerf famas
stoic breach
Its a bad trend and really outdated
sonic rampart
Famas
open surge
Fun guns
brave coral
again. literally just add a cooldown on self heal
earnest wharf
medic = tank, you can change around it all you want lol
open surge
earnest wharf
but saying medics should somehow get worse heal is just mind blowing
unless they just remove the entire medic class
stoic breach
Yeah, I liked BF1 medic, but I still dont want medics to have the best healing
brave coral
the healing class is always going to have the best healing abilities
stoic breach
That wouldn't even be bad
brave coral
that’s sort of the idea
sonic rampart
Bf1 medics were trash
stoic breach
Just give the revive tool to assault, and let everyone heal to 100hp within 5 seconds
earnest wharf
then everyone can just get infinite healing, with delay, no medic class
gray saffron
it's funny that people at launch said medics are shit because they have smgs, and now people are saying medics are op because they have smgs :3
brave coral
who do you want to have the best healing then? Support?
stoic breach
Yeah
earnest wharf
revive will only be for squadmate
stoic breach
No class should have the best healing
Because then every class has the same healing power
And become balanced
earnest wharf
then there should not be support either in that sense
open surge
@gray saffron check out the most recent smgs
earnest wharf
it just goes down this spiral
stoic breach
Well support was about suppression and indirect fire
earnest wharf
and then it shouldn't have an anti-tank class
brave coral
everyone should have the same range abilities
stoic breach
Support without ammo packs is still support
gray saffron
2a is an outlier gun yeah. but that doesn't immediatly mean the entire class is OP. 2a will get nerfed in 6.2
earnest wharf
and it shouldn't have another class, this class, that class lol
sonic rampart
@stoic breach by doing that you will remove classes
brave coral
everything should have the same damage to tanks
open surge
think it just became a balance issue with guns
stoic breach
Its based on gadgets
brave coral
@sonic rampart exactly lil
gray saffron
that's like saying support is shit due the nerfed fg42 at 5.2 which wasn't really true either :3
stoic breach
Class balance
sonic rampart
Medics should be able to heal themselves and others
earnest wharf
why don't everyone just have the same damn class LOL
carry the same everything
nahhh
stoic breach
Because its based on gadget utility
brave coral
class balance isn’t ‘we made everyone the same loadout’
open surge
create a class 
sonic rampart
brave coral
this is just battlefront 1
open surge
Oh god.
stoic breach
Well its not
brave coral
everyone runs jump pack, bacta bomb and E-11
what you’re proposing basically is
giving everyone the same stuff
gray saffron
everyone would just make the most META class ever. instead of having diverse group of classes you can balance around
stoic breach
Recon is still recon because of spotting tools and tac insert, support is still support because of suppression power and mortars (indirect fire), medic is still medic because of revive tool
Classes are about gadget balance, and balancing weapons to fit the gadget roles
cedar crown
anyone up for a match on ps4?
gray saffron
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sonic rampart
By having different classes there is a difference and you have to choose one instead of being able to pick gadgets
Thats like hey Lets pick healings and ammo
brave coral
i would say Medic weapons (at least SMGs) are quite well suited to their role
sonic rampart
stoic breach
Assault rifle support would suck because they would lose their suppression power, bolt action assault would suck because they would lose their aggression