The zooka does more damage and more ammo and higher range with better velocity
#battlefield-legacy-titles
strong parrot
nerf bazooka
solid hinge
Then I saw a dude hit me directly on a flat side hit with the panzerfaust and felt so bad for his +9 damage that I let him live
inb4 they fixed the tank armour but only for bazooka interactions
tfw braddock acknowledges the mid round balancer as "pretty rough"
Which is CM talk for absolute dogshit
idle breach
asdf
I think
panzerfaust or piat or
assuming we're getting another launcher like Raketenpanzerbüchse
don't call it panzerschreck like a casual, anyway
echo turtle
When is the Shrek coming
idle breach
after all it's all non-guided rockets I think we need more things than just damage and ammo and range to make them actually different
how about uh, at least one having some umm
make the tank totally immobile for like 2 second
medium damage or low damage, shocks panzer, for fit assaults who don't really like focusing on taking out panzer 1v1
lapis hare
thats true
idle breach
yeah but just totally stunned like 3 second
solid hinge
I've killed tanks by aiming for their tracks to disable them without breaking their tracks before
idle breach
not the most, but many people playing assault meet the tank they just pop a rocket and flee
eager shore
Not-EMP rockets, heh.
solid hinge
There's only so many ways to differentiate ww2 launchers without adding stuff like that
idle breach
without any guided rockets there's not a lot choices really
solid hinge
Yeah
idle breach
except making something an anti-infantry anti-tank rocket
but we already got frag launcher so that would be also stupid
blissful bane
haha, just won conquest on solomon with 1-0
strong parrot
Have you tried just being good and using the panzerfaust? Probably a 700+ spm launcher
solid hinge
Is there a specific place in the tank where you hit it with the lunge mine to do good damage or is it just random?
idle breach
and it's not really important but I always thought we could use more variants of plain explosives
and I think sticky dynamites are kinda dumb
isn't the western cowboy dynamite bundles already obsolete in ww2 they were using plastic explosives
stoic breach
You can differentiate WW2 launchers pretty well if you tried hard enough, and with enough factors
idle breach
non sticky big boom bomb, sticky average bomb, bit more throw-friendly bomb..
is damage/range(drop/trajectory)/ammo count enough tho?
stoic breach
Like if launchers needed to fully ADS before firing, Panzerfaust could just have a faster ADS speed than Bazooka
solid hinge
Apparently there's specific weak locations on each tank but it feels like rear > sides > front to me
stoic breach
And a faster reload
solid hinge
The addition of the instant ADS bazooka is actually really fucking annoying
Dudes are peekk shooting it at 100 metres
stoic breach
Also have the ability to mostly ignore "glancing blows" because its a shaped charge
idle breach
but then, like a primary weapon it's still uh, shares the exact same purposes
idle breach
doing something different will make players to uh, use some different launcher from time to time i think
solid hinge
The machine guns are too weak to kill people peek shooting
so you have to rely on main cannon
and that's.. not reliable
idle breach
tbh I'm using piat from almost release
stoic breach
Yeah
idle breach
and assuming bazooka will get nerf
solid hinge
Panzerfaust used to be stronger
stoic breach
Also Bazooka should be able to do splash, and should have decent raw damage against vehicles with the splash
solid hinge
They nerfed it
idle breach
I don't think I would use panzerfaust
solid hinge
stoic breach
Like, lower crit than Panzerfaust but higher raw damage
So Panzerfaust you need to seriously position yourself to use
But can aim and reload faster
idle breach
I'm already used to PIAT trajectory and it does the same thing, damaging vehicles and occasionally break something
do anybody actually actively change their launcher between pzf/piat
arent most people just stick with one and sometimes just use fliegerfause when needed
stoic breach
PIAT does better raw damage than Panzerfaust
solid hinge
all of this is reliant on an actually functioning armour system though
idle breach
yeah
solid hinge
🥴
stoic breach
And since rockets dont crit anymore why would you use the Panzerfaust
idle breach
thats why I imagine
strong parrot
The panzerfaust doesn't even reload though
solid hinge
sometimes I take the panzerfaust to try and hit distant campers
idle breach
how about pzf or anything
stoic breach
PIAT needs its splash damage back as well
solid hinge
then I watch it do 9 damage and go "oh yeah haha lol"
idle breach
got something like not only damage but just completely shut down the tank like 2~3second
it would get its niche
stoic breach
Yeah the Panzerfaust reload is just the dude throwing it
So why the fuck is it slower than the PIAT
idle breach
because panzerfaust is longer than piat?
solid hinge
How is the fliegerfaust at anti infantry?
strong parrot
Hey at least December 7th is no longer living in infamy for only one reason
solid hinge
tfw pulling a new one out is slower than reloading
solid hinge
FIX
ANTI TANK
stoic breach
Panzerfaust now has no reason to exist
strong parrot
baLaNce gUiSe
idle breach
GIB STUN TO PANZERFAUST
stoic breach
Oh god
idle breach
IT FAUST IT FIST SO YOU GET FISTED YOU STUNNED
stoic breach
Panzerfaust just needs to be able to mostly ignore glancing blows
strong parrot
Turn panzerfaust into doomfist
solid hinge
tfw the panzerfaust literally used to be higher damage than piat and they nerfed it and did nothing else to balance it months and months ago
stoic breach
Considering how weak it is
solid hinge
fucking WHY
strong parrot
eager shore
Like I said, I'm guessing DICE is planning on balancing the other stuff around the bazooka after getting reception on the bazooka.
solid hinge
I am guessing dice is not planning
stoic breach
Yeah who remembers the days where people were complaining about the Panzerfaust being too strong
solid hinge
I've been asking for panzerfaust buff for like
strong parrot
Dice would do that... because it's fucking backwards thinking
stoic breach
Now look at it
solid hinge
9 months
eager shore
I wouldn't be surprised if the faust gets a reload buff.
idle breach
and assuming we're getting the Raketenpanzerbüchse
strong parrot
Actually no dice won't do that
idle breach
panzerfaust really need something special
stoic breach
Panzerfaust needs better crit than Bazooka under 30m
For weak points
And faster reload
stoic breach
That sucks
solid hinge
Suppressed launcher
idle breach
yeah and that should be PIAT anyway
eager shore
Makes sense as a mechanic for supressed guns. But launchers don't have supressers, heh.
idle breach
but isnt PIAT supposed to be uh
less flashy and less noisy than
actual rockets except the solder screming in pain
stoic breach
I dont think it really matters all that much
idle breach
okay
stoic breach
I really wish BFV used the MW way of forcing launchers to ADS before firing
idle breach
bazooka should be all rounder
panzerfaust is fast shooter
PIAT is big damage but knocks you back
Raketenpanzerbüchse is uh, accurate launcher?
stoic breach
Cause the launchers in MW are way stronger
idle breach
is this makes sense
stoic breach
Back blast is already the lunge mine
solid hinge
Should a shell kill by a tank or a field gun kill them immediately with no revive?
idle breach
hmm but different slot
stoic breach
PIAT should be high splash against infantry but low AT damage
idle breach
nah it should berevivable i think
stoic breach
Panzerfaust should be fast reload and high crit against weak points
stoic breach
Bazooka should be medium crit, medium splash and high raw impact damage
idle breach
again assuming we will get Raketenpanzerbüchse
solid hinge
I know it’s for balance sake but it just unrealistic to me
When ur getting killed at max height by AA
stoic breach
Unrevivable tank shells would make camping tanks even more cancerous
solid hinge
Yeah
stoic breach
Though tank MG headshots are unrevivable
solid hinge
unrevivable tank shell headshots
if the sturmtiger hits you in the head with a 380mm shell
no morphine is helping
Bf5 is supposed to be as Realistic as possible right?
tfw torso sized explosive disintegrates you but medic pulls your atoms back together while your friend falls 5 metres and breaks his legs killing him instantly with no revive
open surge
tfw you get destroyed by a howitzer but some guy with a prototype japanese gun gets you back to fighting health
coral fiber
Fact of the day: An upgraded engine on the corsair can outturn a zero in a dogfight
solid hinge
I'd have unrevivable bolt headshots, maybe unrevivable direct hits from tank shells if the bazooka is as good as it seems
open surge
as it should
coral fiber
The more you know
solid hinge
Bf5 is supposed to be as Realistic as possible right?
open surge
no
coral fiber
No lol
solid hinge
open surge
have you seen the outfits for the germans in this game??
solid hinge
Tru
stoic breach
Ayla you want unrevivable bolt actions but no bolt action rebalance?
solid hinge
shrewd geyser
DEUTSCHLAND
open surge
the only realistic thing this game has going for it is the fact that bullet drop is a factor
that is it
even modern warfare has bullet travel now.
solid hinge
Also wierd when u can get revived while u get headshoted by boys AT rifle
stoic breach
MW does ballistics and weapon mechanics better than BFV as well
open surge
you can get revived after being headshotted by anything
solid hinge
open surge
so annoying sniping a lot of guys, dying and seeing some medic revive EVERY SINGLE PERSON YOU KILLED
solid hinge
Nice
stoic breach
🤷
solid hinge
@stoic breach double the bolt velocity increases and give them unrevivable headshots
stoic breach
And also sweetspot and you'd finally have balanced snipers
open surge
no skill rifles
stoic breach
The AT Rifles should be gadgets
Who gives a shit about skill
At the end of the day you still have to actually shoot and kill targets
solid hinge
8 million velocity helps with that
solid hinge
I'm okay with that!
stoic breach
That would still make something like the AgM42 a better headshot weapon
stoic breach
Now you sound like a real GAMER
Sweetspots arent lame
They're good for balance
"Just click on heads" you can do with a better and faster weapon
Bolt actions need bodyshot kills because of how slow they fire
solid hinge
but no unrevivable headshots
stoic breach
Its based on DPS
open surge
might as well bring back the martini-henry to piss off the casuals
stoic breach
Unrevivable headshots would be good as well
Just make bolt actions terrifying and they'll be in a good spot
open surge
i'd be fine with unrevivable sniper headshots
stoic breach
Actually, headshot inside the sweetspot for an unrevivable kill
There
Cracked the code
solid hinge
I don't mind them having a lower potential DPS if they retain the high burst damage
solid hinge
they're the PEAK of "lean around a corner and pop a shot while no one can touch you"
for all your 60 damage hits
and misses
and long reload times
and glint
stoic breach
Yeah which is why sweetspot is necessary
stoic breach
The positive of a guaranteed headshot is outweighed by literally everything else
solid hinge
makes me laugh every time I remember
stoic breach
And they arent skillful weapons either
stoic breach
The amount of effort you need to put it to get a useful result is more than you need to put in for other weapons
And then other weapons with the same amount of effort do better
Also sweetspots keep bolt action ranges in check, the bullet drag is higher past the sweetspot
And I've mentioned it before, but bolt carbines should be moved to recon and buffed for anti-sweetspot players
Like having a 200m headshot range for the Jungle Carbine
And a longer damage dropoff range for the Tromboncino
Also there was that carbine that was datamined that had a variable scope, that could just get a 700m/s velocity for it and be a new Krag
Idk
open surge
idk why medic has anything like the jungle carbine
strong parrot
Hitscan slr? 
stoic breach
Yeah, Medic should get Assault rifle and machine pistol or something
open surge
fuck
stoic breach
Rip machine pistols
open surge
i should work for dice
stoic breach
I miss my M1912/p.16
solid hinge
Machine pistol is poo
open surge
FROMMER STOP AUTO
stoic breach
Nah its great
Machine pistol medic would be so good
You wanna be good at CQB? You have to work for it
open surge
or tank/pilot tbh
brave garnet
The jungle carbine is like the Russian 1895 trench in BFq
open surge
AS LONG AS IT'S NOT THE FUCKING STEN
strong parrot
Add a machine pistol with semi auto mode...and next patch add another machine pistol with full auto
solid hinge
jungle carbine is insane currently
stoic breach
Oh yeah Russian Trench was fun as
strong parrot
wait that seems familiar
solid hinge
i got in a ZH jungle carbine fight and the jungle carbine dude shot faster than me despite me spamming the trigger
open surge
why is sten even the default tanker/pilot gun...
solid hinge
stoic breach
Thats hilarious
open surge
mp40/type 100/m1928 aren't that broken as standard guns
brave garnet
Russian 1895 fired faster than the other variants and 2-3 shotted peeps
strong parrot
Because 2 shot kill in this meta was op
solid hinge
ZH is literally untouchable right now from beyond like 40 metres
You'll outdps anything
open surge
zh 29 is ugh
stoic breach
Who would've thought
solid hinge
The recoil reductions makes it really easy to use as well
stoic breach
Yeah thats even better
Now SLRs just need the ability to kill with one headshot within a certain range and they'll be perfect
shy badger
Perfectly op
stoic breach
Not really
solid hinge
model 8 200rpm one hit headshots
stoic breach
Semi-auto with headshot capability is perfectly reasonable
solid hinge
stoic breach
Its just a bolt action that fires faster and can actually use bodyshots
solid hinge
tfw model 8 got to be 225rpm for like three weeks
stoic breach
It would be the equivalent of two or 3 people using bolt actions at the same time
solid hinge
reign of kings
open surge
so...
open surge
did the velocity buff make the arisaka/ross rifle the best bolt actions
solid hinge
the poor model 8
strong parrot
Because incompetence
stoic breach
Yeah, you could call them the most polished turds right now
shy badger
The arisoka and ross are best for range yea
Arisoka being better because of the stripper clips
solid hinge
Tell that to the m1919
stoic breach
Still doesnt beat the Arisaka from BF1 lol
It was literally a stronger Martini Henry
solid hinge
910m/s velocity on commonly used specs with a 250 mag size
shy badger
Tf
open surge
luckily it can't one shot
shy badger
Is it really 910 ms
stoic breach
Yeah every weapon gets realistic muzzle velocities except for bolt actions
open surge
but you also have 250 rounds
limber ibex
hi
open surge
yo
solid hinge
Only other thing higher is MAS with the same spec, but then you have higher vrec
shy badger
Still doesn't beat the mass 960 m/s meme
open surge
welcome to the sherman shack
solid hinge
fuckin MAS man
stoic breach
MAS starts good enough that it doesn't need high velocity spec
limber ibex
pls ban the typ 2a from battlefield 5
stoic breach
People complaining about Type 2A being too strong 
open surge
i just wish people would stop using the 2a
stoic breach
What about complaining how every other weapon feels weak
strong parrot
Imagine giving a pre ww2 smg 1028 rpm
open surge
i don't think it's op or anything unless i'm using the 2 days per shot MP34
strong parrot
You'd be stupid or dice
stoic breach
Hahaha
open surge
but E V E R Y B O D Y uses the type 2a
stoic breach
514rpm SMG? Lets make it 5BTK
open surge
stoic breach
brave garnet
Not me lol
strong parrot
xd only morons use a 2a its inaccurate
brave garnet
Im use shotties and mmg's
open surge
it's not broken
shy badger
I haven't used the 2a in a while
open surge
but everyone seems to think it is
limber ibex
how can i make a clan
open surge
it plagues my kill feeds
shy badger
I should give it another try though :p
solid hinge
tfw the mp34 has literally half the fire rate of the type 2a and the same btk under 10 metres
open surge
EVERYONE!
stoic breach
I just embedded your link
open surge
thanks bb
stoic breach
What is this
strong parrot
Cursed cutscene animations
open surge
you've never played most wanted?
shy badger
What
open surge
one of the best need for speed games out there
shy badger
Do you even have a childhood?
open surge
why is the end of round theme for rotterdam so damn intense
it's the theme of walking past the train and getting your ass lit up by a zk 383
stoic breach
I've only played Underground and Underground 2
I didnt care about any other Need for Speed games
stoic breach
I preferred shit like Forza overall
dense bone
tony hawk underground was the best
stoic breach
Thats the only tony hawk I've played
open surge
i wasn't an xbox guy so I never got to play forza
played some fh3 at someone's place tho and that was fun
stoic breach
I grew up with xbox and playstation so I always just switched around
solid hinge
Did you know all female characters in bfv have the same cup size?
open surge
stoic breach
🗿
open surge
yo angelo
open surge
did you know that hanna, the french resistance fighter fighting with the british, can somehow be found on solomon islands
stoic breach
They already know
They were hoping we'd never find out
If you see a black holden with dark windows, your time is up
Run man, run
brave garnet
Model 27 is awsome
solid hinge
It goes pew
dense bone
so its 2btk up to 25m, and one shot to the head up to 30m?
solid hinge
2btk up to 30m too
dense bone
i mean, that doesnt sound scary to me
brave garnet
The reload animation is cool
ancient ocean
Are they new or did they just buff them?
dense bone
in the off chance someone can 1 headshot me
dense bone
which going off bolts wont happen
ancient ocean
Shh @solid hinge
brave garnet
Hysj
dense bone
anyone that could make use of the m27 headshot range should probably be using a different weapon
brave garnet
I was expecting the reload animation for the type 11 to be like the perino
solid hinge
It's the advantage of it being a secondary
solid hinge
You can take shotgun or close range smg with it
main grove
But it has to be on a multiple of 5
dense bone
other than shotgun i dont see the point
brave garnet
With top up all clips are loaded in 1 go and without it its the whole hopper being switched
main grove
And I bet that's because they can't program say
dense bone
even suomi/2a isnt too hard to use to 30m
main grove
Having 21 bullets
And topping up to 26
They can only program going back up to 30 I bet
brave garnet
Any smg isin't hard at all to use over 30m
dense bone
2a's hrec can really screw you in a fight
idle breach
oh
brave garnet
I just hipfire people but I do ads when its over 45m
brave garnet
I go for heads there
idle breach
I thought the gun was absolute trash
dense bone
so outside of shotguns the niche use of a model27 is pretty limited
brave garnet
All my smg's have the hipfire specs
dense bone
gross
main grove
MP28 should get STEN damage
idle breach
it doesn't even feel like recoil/spread is strong but the gun is desperately trying to be a pacifist
main grove
With pretty big recoil
It's because it uses the same damage that the mega fast Tommy and suomi use
dense bone
mp28 and sten have same dmg model, mp28 has higher rof butless control
dense bone
idle breach
damn that was fast
dense bone
mp28 drops a LITTLE faster
idle breach
you...
dense bone
but with its rof i really doubt theres a difference
solid hinge
Is the mp40 any good?
idle breach
hardwired to the PC?
brave garnet
Bc of rof
idle breach
how are you that fast
idle breach
oh
brave garnet
MP40 is decent
main grove
ZK still wrecks a lot of shit
onyx cave
what weapon is best on medic that aint nambu?
main grove
ZK has always just been a little bit OP
main grove
Like not deadly
idle breach
it's still good
dense bone
brave garnet
I haven't been killed or seen someone run the ZK
main grove
But no downsides to ZK
dense bone
ttk is essentially the same
idle breach
type2a is just easy to use, not really dominating every smg
idle breach
hcred
dense bone
the ttk difference between the 2 is like .2 seconds
idle breach
mp28 has no vrec or hrec it has diagonal recoil
onyx cave
i used the ZK, is really fun until you find the over powered weapon spam on the enemy team
dense bone
@idle breach diagonal is a combination of vrec and hrec
brave garnet
I haven't killed someone with an AT rifle in a while
brave garnet
Might have to do that when I get on later
dense bone
it has hrec and vrec values
it could just favor one side of hrec
like suomi favors right side
strong parrot
As long as you don't use fast rof zk, big mag best
main grove
Love how they had to program 9x19highROF
Like why can't they balance damage on a gun by gun basis
dense bone
9x19?
main grove
Rather than use ROF generalisations
midnight nimbus
bc damage on a gun by gun basis is stupid
dead end balancing technique
better to have one dmg model for all guns of the type
main grove
BF1 did fine with it
strong parrot
Because this way we can give unhistorical rof to guns
midnight nimbus
BF1 had damage type fixed per caliber as well
dense bone
for a game like bfv where you have 5 guns per archtype yea, i would keep them relatively the same but with minor variations
main grove
I'm not saying use linear damage models like fast gun weak slow gun strong
But make every stat unique
strong parrot
Too much work, not enough booster sales
midnight nimbus
don't need a bazillion damage models
main grove
Very few games use identical damage models for every gun in a class
tribal aurora
srsly putting some recoil to the guns wouldn't hurt...
dense bone
doesn bmac talk in meme format irl too?
midnight nimbus
tbf MW has a ton of nonsense with a bajillion damage models
hurrrrrrr 30m 4BTK for the M4 32m 4BTK for the Kilo
midnight nimbus
very cool, you get a total of 5m or so where the Kilo is better than the M4
stoic breach
Lol
main grove
What's the issue with different damage models like whats actually wrong with making guns more different from each other
dense bone
"predictability"
midnight nimbus
how is having more damage models working out for BFV so far lol
raw orbit
Imagine differentiating guns amirite loool
midnight nimbus
more damage models has consistently failed to deliver more variety in FPS for a long ass time
main grove
It wasn't broken because damage models were changed in the first place it was broken because most guns got a fifth of their range
dense bone
imo this isnt a right or wrong situation, just depends on what kind of game it is
midnight nimbus
if you use 5.0 gunplay as your base
I fail to see how more damage models improves upon that
i'd actually argue for less
dense bone
why though?
raw orbit
5.0 guns were perfect so of course you couldn't improve on it 😩
midnight nimbus
a couple of the dmg models are very superfluous
might as well give all SMGs the MP34 dmg model
main grove
MP34 had a stupid difference
dense bone
why?
midnight nimbus
because it helps the low RoF SMGs, and not the high RoF ones
dense bone
to simplify what you expect from guns?
strong parrot
Why are you wasting your time
main grove
Like 4btk for 5 extra meters than other SMGs
midnight nimbus
lolno
that's where you get CoD weapon balance
"lol slap on an extra 5m on your min BTK"
still meaningless
main grove
I didn't say min
raw orbit
Maybe they should have a graph that shows the damage model so you know what to expect from the guns 
midnight nimbus
people still pick big RoF for CQB
main grove
Oh wait no
midnight nimbus
if you had 15m 4BTK MP40 and 10m 4BTK Suomi, Suomi is still better up close
main grove
From what it sounds like you just want th is game to just have one assault rifle one SMG one LMG
tribal aurora
the odd thing is bf1 had a similar ttk like bfv has post 5.2 but it just don't works out for bfv
bf1 had plenty of SLR weapons and the balance was fine
raw orbit
Bf1 is faster ttk but more spread
dense bone
id argue it does work, people just complain just because imo
midnight nimbus
recoil, spread, specs, and handling shake out variety just fine
tribal aurora
bfv's SLRs are useless now
midnight nimbus
when you get a bazillion damage models, you just get inconsistency
raw orbit
I love bf1 weapon balance tho 😛
raw orbit
Pretty much every weapon had a niche and there was a great variety of playstyle you could support with the different weapons
shy badger
Wasn't suppression toned down for bf1?
midnight nimbus
suppression exists so you don't get lasered at long range out of nowhere
shy badger
I remember it was a selling point
tribal aurora
enemy gets rewarded for not hitting you...
midnight nimbus
BF1 suppression was pretty weak
main grove
LMGs are fucking horrible without suppression though
stoic breach
Stopping someone from hitting you is pretty important
tribal aurora
it was pretty damn strong
midnight nimbus
pretty much ineffective against everything but sniper rifles
main grove
Like long range shooting is not viable anymore with an LMG without suppression to make it so you don't just get counter sniped
tribal aurora
yeah snipers couldn't hit shit after being suppressed
midnight nimbus
SMGs weren't good enough at range for suppression to matter
SLRs could just tap marginally slower to counter suppression
LMGs could continue to loldump
BF1 suppression exists to tell snipers to fuck off
tribal aurora
lol
stoic breach
It definitely did its job for countering sweetspots at range
midnight nimbus
yes
suppression post BF3 was weak in general
in BF4, you pretty much could not suppress someone by yourself
you would have to empty your entire AR mag intentionally within like 0.25m(?) around someone's head to suppress them
midnight nimbus
very lenient
you could suppress people in CQB kek
alone with less than a full M16 mag
midnight nimbus
BF4 and BF1 made it so that suppression only kicked in after mid/mid-long range
CQB suppression was dumb
midnight nimbus
yeah, BF1 did visual suppression fine with less VFX
mostly through extra recoil and a fixed sway pattern
main grove
There's no VFX for suppression in BFV is there
midnight nimbus
sUpPrEsSiOn GiVeS yOu RaNdOmSwAy -t. xfactor
main grove
It only applies a pseudo spot
midnight nimbus
lol literally a fixed double figure 8 pattern
stoic breach
Yeah
midnight nimbus
there's vfx for BFV suppression, but if you turn your graphics low, it's gone
main grove
I don't see it on PS pro
midnight nimbus
BF community: reeeeeeeeee getting lasered out of nowhere from 100m sucks
also BF community: suppression sucks
stoic breach
Oh well
dense bone
BF community: bfv snap sucks
also BF community: i like bf1
midnight nimbus
suppression is a necessary evil if you want fun guns and big maps
main grove
"Visibility is poor this sucks"
"DUDE WHY THE FUCK IS THERE AN AUTO SPOT WTF"
midnight nimbus
MW Ground War on the bigger maps can be a nightmare bc of the lack of it
clever cedar
Gief hardcore mode
midnight nimbus
well, MW LMGs can do suppression, but people rarely run them
dense bone
ive always felt, why should i suppress when i can kill?
midnight nimbus
that's a game where you can legit get lasered at 100m from somewhere you can't see
well that's why suppression kicked in at range
at the range where your gun isn't accurate enough to kill effectively
at least you can contribute to the fight with suppression
that's the change BF4 made
clever cedar
Every game i join is 10 vs 28 and everybody having 200 ping wtf...
midnight nimbus
around the range where your ARs start to fall apart is where you could get suppression output
dense bone
dont do matchmaking @clever cedar
main grove
Stop using matchmaking
clever cedar
cant believe i paid for this piece of shit
midnight nimbus
so it's not """getting rewarded for missing"""
main grove
Use server browser
midnight nimbus
it's a different way to use your gun
stoic breach
Wouldnt BFV need to use spread without spread-to-recoil for suppression to work properly
solid hinge
So is the Bazooka better than the PIAT at destroying tanks?
stoic breach
Just cause your aim is getting thrown around
midnight nimbus
no
dense bone
@solid hinge afaik they do the same dmg, bazooka gets a range finder and more rockets though
midnight nimbus
well the original concept for BFV suppression worked very differently
it was actually pretty good
stoic breach
What was it?
midnight nimbus
no bazooka has worse multis on tanks and less raw dmg
dense bone
thats what i heard but i really dont know
solid hinge
You'll just have to use them both and compare I suppose
shy badger
Yea less damage would make sense
solid hinge
I don't even have the PIAT unlocked yet
dense bone
thats what i figured but i was told i was wrong 🤷
solid hinge
Just the bazooka
shy badger
The bazooka is a lot less risky
dense bone
bazooka is on support so you can replenish which is nice
shy badger
I'd probably say it's better
solid hinge
Kht you have the spreadsheets, is the panzerfaust even more useless than before
Bazooka for support?
dense bone
i probably wont get bazooka until its available for cc
solid hinge
I can't equip it on support. Only assault
quasi zodiac
Is the new map tailored for campers?
solid hinge
^^^
dense bone
yea i was just thinking about that, i was thinking lunge mine
@quasi zodiac jungle map
quasi zodiac
Everytime i push there's a prone camper or 4 semi automatic recons that will tear me apart
literally no way to counter them
dense bone
its a jungle map
soft storm
It’s tailored for people who don’t wanna get blown up my planes
quasi zodiac
the rest of the map is tank mg spamming
solid hinge
Other maps have a high amount of vegetation but it's not nearly as bad with the camping as Solomon islands
dense bone
solomon is a jungle map with strong lanes
quasi zodiac
i'd rather die to planes than getting killed after being for 3 seconds in the open
dense bone
nah fuck dying to planes
quasi zodiac
i have no choice because challenges are there
shy badger
Well we might be getting a new map this chapter :3
quasi zodiac
it sucks out all the fun to be constantly mowed down by semi-automatic recons or mg spamming tanks
solid hinge
We did get a new map
shy badger
Another one
solid hinge
Oh, hopefully.
quasi zodiac
i have no chance other than camp
dense bone
i doubt that personally
quasi zodiac
same
solid hinge
Same
solid hinge
World of tanks
dense bone
console?
shy badger
I've been enjoying solomon
quasi zodiac
dunno what's worse
solid hinge
You're just describing BFV as a whole
shy badger
But it's getting old
solid hinge
Camping and Spamming
dense bone
i only have 2 games on solomon and it wasnt that bad
quasi zodiac
other battlefield maps have less chokes and more space to push
dense bone
tanks werent lasting long in my matches
solid hinge
To be fair, I can tolerate dying to planes and the mass camping. But the people I wish the absolute worst faith for are Type 2A users.
True
quasi zodiac
i literally pushed a small island on solomon on breakthrough and there was like 10-12 enemies camping
solid hinge
People who use the Type 2A are the sweatiest people to ever live
Higher on the sweat tier list than STG users
dense bone
2a isnt even that good...
solid hinge
I use it 
strong parrot
xd you're wrong
dense bone
its a noob trap suomi
solid hinge
Could atleast give new vehicles ffs
quasi zodiac
Suomi got replaced by 2a i guess
tribal aurora
I don't like the 2A meta either but it's funny how people cry for the return of the 5.0TTK but hate having a 2A meta which literally has a 5.0TTK model
dense bone
no one played with suomi after 5.2
shy badger
We havr a lot of vehicles
dense bone
idk why
strong parrot
Because you play around horrible players
open surge
because 2a exists
dense bone
suomi and 2a are basically the same gun, but suomi better at range
shy badger
Maybe the most bf ever had (apart from 1942)
dense bone
2a didnt come out till weeks after 5.2
solid hinge
If they revert ttk 2a will be op asf more than it is already
quasi zodiac
I don't like the 2A meta either but it's funny how people cry for the return of the 5.0TTK but hate having a 2A meta which literally has a 5.0TTK model
The reason people hate 2a meta is because it is considerably better than other alternatives, not because it has the old ttk
strong parrot
2a could use with a slower rof and not a huge banana mag that makes no sense 
tribal aurora
yeah 2a has a too big mag for it rof...
native charm
Stg 44 навсегда
solid hinge
Banana THIS
dense bone
@quasi zodiac its not considerable better than other alternatives
strong parrot
dense bone
suomi is literally right there
quasi zodiac
well i might have exaggerated but it's pretty good
midnight nimbus
> I don't like the 2A meta either but it's funny how people cry for the return of the 5.0TTK but hate having a 2A meta which literally has a 5.0TTK model
oh man, 5.0 T2A was actually really good
strong parrot
Are you happy to be playing bfv or do you have a banana mag in your pocket
midnight nimbus
the T2A you have now is still the gimped one
solid hinge
Yeah pacific war need more vehicles got everything on lvl 6 already
Bro, all I use is the MAB 38, not because it's a decent SMG, but because it's Italian 
strong parrot
Oof
solid hinge
inb4 5.0 t2a was 4btk
native charm
T2a هو السرطان
solid hinge
The Gewehr is the closest rifle for recon that I'll get to the Carcano
@native charm english ffs
quasi zodiac
Am i the only one who thinks that ADS in type 97 is really weird?
dense bone
2a being popular and you dying to the most popular weapon doesnt make it op
strong parrot
Iron sights that block your target
solid hinge
I like how you unironically think that's the reason
Jumping head-first into conclusions I see 
dense bone
who are you responding to romano?
native charm
The new map is good for sniping
native charm
In my opinion
solid hinge
No
strong parrot
oh honey no
native charm
Ok
dense bone
i assume youre talking to me, but im asking to clarify
solid hinge
No
strong parrot
Don't waste time
native charm
brave cypress
If you build barbed wire around sector 2 B flag ur a fucking moron
solid hinge
@brave cypress map
brave cypress
Solomon
tribal aurora
lmao
dense bone
and no response
solid hinge
Lmäo
tribal aurora
yeah it's annoying
brave cypress
Oh I'll revive you mate
solid hinge
Lmäö
brave cypress
Oh wait, give me a minute, I have to find an opening in the wire
solid hinge
Yes
brave garnet
I have an addiction
dense bone
its like when people build all around C in rotterdam
brave cypress
Oooohhhhhh nevermind I got fucking blasted by a tank
brave garnet
That tank loves you
solid hinge
@brave cypress take the L
tfw your team is being shot in the back while building the sandbag walls facing your own spawn
I don't even build defenses, I only like to built Tank Resupply stations, and those medical crates
shy badger
Noot noot tanks
brave cypress
Fun Fact
solid hinge
Sey
brave cypress
PF does 34 damage to a jeep
brave garnet
Noot noot
native charm
You guys are building?
shy badger
God that felt wronf
brave cypress
Because reasons ig
solid hinge
I have to build because none of the supports want to
brave garnet
Wronf
solid hinge
When a support runs by u when ur in a tank with 1 hp
I feel like a dummy for putting a flamethrower on my Sherman
Now I need to wait until rank 6 to remove it
tribal aurora
yeah that's the worst
open surge
i've only ever seen squad members repair
brave garnet
I tend to hang around clusters of tanks and constantly repair them
tribal aurora
I don't understand why you can't reset your skills while leveling a vehicle...
brave garnet
76mm M1
solid hinge
Beautiful movie Fury
brave garnet
76mm M1 L/50
tribal aurora
username checks out
dense bone
you cant rest skill while leveling weapons either
tribal aurora
yeah
brave garnet
Fun fact the 76mm M1 was longer, they cut down the barrel bc it was too heavy
solid hinge
strong parrot
75mm could
solid hinge
solid hinge
The barrel on the sherman
strong parrot
A 6pounder disabled tiger 131
solid hinge
The 76mm sherman barrel could pierce through front of tiger
strong parrot
Tanks weak in the rear? Where do you acquire this knowledge
solid hinge
Dunno
strong parrot
shy badger
Can we get any more fun facts? :3
brave garnet
Years of learning about tanks
solid hinge
brave garnet
Do it
brave cypress
There's fucking 1 grand ops server in the world
brave garnet
Win a game on Norway, Nord Afrika, Nederland and idk the other one
fierce radish
Wow
Yea
They killed the game mode in bf5
If u want to play the bf1 version u do breakthrough
fierce radish
Yea
brave cypress
EMP is kinda less shit than other smgs
strong parrot
Hey you found something your PS4 is good at
brave garnet
Lol
onyx harbor
nice
brave garnet
NorwegianSonic lol
onyx harbor
thx
brave garnet
A friend told me that if you play combined arms with the bazooka and pick up the panzerfausts you can find on the maps, the bazooka turns into a panzerschrek
trail furnace
brave cypress
I fucking hate how people can lay on their back and sides now
They all look like dead bodies but nope
Some skid with an MMG
strong parrot
Back prone is right up there with sliding on animations that can fuck off now
midnight nimbus
> unironically being buttmad about sliding
brave cypress
You fucking dumbass
solid hinge
I really hate pinheaded dipshit squadleaders who have 50,000 points but doesn't spend it
tribal aurora
don't be rude bandit 
brave cypress
Haha Thog like big boom
unreal spoke
Hi
tribal aurora
Hi
onyx harbor
hi
brave garnet
What's the most 'fun' thing to do rn?
solid hinge
Redeploy
brave cypress
The coastal gun locations on Solomon are literally useless
They can't even do what they're supposed to
Because half of the ocean is blocked by rocks
soft storm
Congrats you’ve learned the stationary gun emplacement people aren’t smart
brave cypress
Because the map designers for this game are literally fucking braindead
soft storm
Hey
soft storm
I’ll admit they aren’t doing the best they could
strong parrot
Mod advocating redeployment too
strong belfry
brave cypress
Hey lets also place light artillery in a useless spot and make it trash too
23 damage and then get sent to the goddamn moon by the tank you just ripped a hole in
solid hinge
When Ernst charges and screams "STUUUUUUUURRRRMMMMM" I felt that
brave garnet
Tooooot
solid hinge
i did the cheese jump over the mountain on fjell and a dude was literally waiting for me
what the fuck
brave garnet
What is the kill zone for the V-1/JB-2/Ki-147?
strong parrot
Good.. don't abuse out of bounds positions
coral fiber
YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
brave cypress
My entire squad has been camping in the bunker to the right of river village
I hate them
solid hinge
i cant help it
my entire team sucks and every squad I join ends up leaving the match
check the squad list and theres fuckin 7 one player squads even though I've been here for like 6 games in a row
coral fiber
@brave cypress lunge blast them
solid hinge
these dudes cant even hold a single point
coral fiber
Toss them around like rag dolls
solid hinge
tfw you break through and cap D to B to A before the crack squad of the 8 clan stack catches up with you
solid hinge
meanwhile the rest of my entire team cant take E
coral fiber
It annoys them
solid hinge
despite throwing literally all of themselves at it
solid hinge
They're mostly incompetent
solid hinge
buff jeeps i demand mg on jeep pls dice
brave garnet
Idk why but everytime I see videos from PS4 players, they play like they're new to the game and have really poor vision
solid hinge
Theres players like that on every platform but it makes sense for console players to be slower, most people dont adjust the joystick sensitivity or FOV and sit far away from their TVs
brave garnet
I sit like 1 or 2 meters away from my tv
modern sedge
Using a monitor makes a difference versus a tv without proper adjustment
brave garnet
I normally have really slow reaction times bc my fingers are cold af and they move really slow
brave cypress
So how does this stupid fucking game calculate what amount of your xp goes into chapter rewards
brave garnet
Idunno
solid hinge
10 c4 jeeps into tanks ranks you up
brave garnet
I keep killing people and repping tanks
brave cypress
Can't even suicide jeep anymore dude
coral fiber
I have a headset and im near the TV when i play
Hearing people's footsteps always saves my life
brave cypress
Because DICE devs are tank sweats and nerfed every AT gadget into the ground
midnight nimbus
Because DICE devs are tank sweats
oof, couldn't be further from the truth
brave garnet
Someone is salty
brave garnet
They're cute too
brave cypress
Especially when you're up against 6 at a time because balance is nonexistent
coral fiber
Try playing wt lol
brave garnet
Especially the Pz. 38(t)
solid hinge
play tdm if u dont like tanks
solid hinge
If devs were tank sweats the tanks would actually be balanced
brave cypress
How about no
coral fiber
Ayla is right
solid hinge
currently theres like 20% of the tanks that shit on everything else
midnight nimbus
if devs understood tanking, the tanks would actually be fun
brave garnet
How about deal with it
brave cypress
How about DICE devs fuck off and balance their stupid, broken ass game
coral fiber
Lol wut
solid hinge
tanks are fun
brave cypress
Half of my AT gadgets don't register
strong parrot
Nah we got this new ttk model we need to push out
brave cypress
Which has been a problem since panzerstorm released
solid hinge
tanks are easy to kill
brave cypress
Tanks can suck my nuts
solid hinge
hiachi with howitzer turret looks goofy
open surge
it's so smol and so fast! OwO
solid hinge
i love it
coral fiber
Tanks are gunna be tanks i guess
solid hinge
Pilot guy doesnt fear tanks, tanks fear him
brave garnet
Tanccs can't succ but, u cann succ their barrel