battlefield-legacy-titles

[pastel grove]

What sights are you using?

[onyx cave]

hollo

[pastel grove]

use aperture sights

[onyx cave]

or the yellow dot

[pastel grove]

super good on the M2 Carbine ngl

[onyx cave]

aight

is that the x3?

[pastel grove]

nah it's the

[solid hinge]

2x

Irons are 1.5

[pastel grove]

Ayla is right

[solid hinge]

Nydar is 1

[pastel grove]

2x

[solid hinge]

Aperture 2x

[onyx cave]

aperture is the weird one right?

[solid hinge]

Scopes are 3x and 6x but have longer animations

[pastel grove]

Yeah they can be a bit weird

[solid hinge]

Recoil is so minimal on m1907 and m2 that I recommend aperture for both of them

[onyx cave]

right

[pastel grove]

I usually just go with irons on the 1907

[onyx cave]

oh yeah, i forget the vaulting mechanic is broken

[solid hinge]

How about the roll mechanic?

[onyx cave]

yeah thats broken too

i feel that when the game was released it was better than now

RIP Lighting strikes

you will be missed

[slate carbon]

roll is fine you just press crouch button

[onyx cave]

nope

[slate carbon]

tbh its better when you choose weither or not to roll

[onyx cave]

massive delay and its random

it can be 5s or it can be 3s

[slate carbon]

its random??? no its not dude lmao

[onyx cave]

i had a roll delay that was 10s

[slate carbon]

that was probably your connection or something

[onyx cave]

nope

[slate carbon]

ive never seen that before, thats messed though

[onyx cave]

perfect connection

ping of 16 in a german server

[slate carbon]

idk ive never heard of that before

does that happen a lot for you?

[solid hinge]

I forgot roll existed tbh

Also if they release a Normandy map do you think they’ll have tanks there or is the pacific tanks too powerful?

[slate carbon]

i barely ever use it since i play medic

all the damn time

they would put tanks in if they did, tbh i feel like they might not because its been done in every ww2 thing ever

[dense bone]

aperture sights 🤮

[slate carbon]

plus it would be bad for balance and shit, just us dying over and over and over

[onyx cave]

honestly what are good assault rifles though

[slate carbon]

otherwise you may as well just play that one pacific map on breakthrough

[onyx cave]

STG is bad with current new guns

[dense bone]

stg is a good all arounder though

[onyx cave]

unless the specs im using are bad

[dense bone]

like, too good of an all arounder

[onyx cave]

im using full right tree

[slate carbon]

where are these damn guns from last season already?

[dense bone]

i wouldnt call it op, but its definitely a little strong

[solid hinge]

How was cape helles Landing done?

[onyx cave]

whenever i use an assault rifle i cant fucking kill

[slate carbon]

wrong, the BR is the best gun

[onyx cave]

if i used something like the type 11 im fine

[slate carbon]

if you dont use the breda ur a chump

[onyx cave]

whats a good spec tree for STG?

[slate carbon]

its subjective

[dense bone]

im ADS only kind of person

[slate carbon]

the specs dont make the gun INSANELY good. its whatever will help you more

[dense bone]

so wahtever benefits ADS

[solid hinge]

Apertures are SEXY now

[dense bone]

nah

[solid hinge]

I'm telling you

[dense bone]

its an aperture

[solid hinge]

They were absolute dogshit

But now.. sweet mama

[slate carbon]

aperture is the god sight

[dense bone]

i used it the other day with the lee

[onyx cave]

im actually hating bfv for its low ttk

[dense bone]

lol you would have really hated 5.0

[solid hinge]

Why would you use it on a sniper

[dense bone]

on a lee?

[solid hinge]

Hello

[dense bone]

a close range sniper

[raw orbit]

you ever have 5 people with 2As all proning in a corner 😂

[slate carbon]

hello cringe man

[onyx cave]

and everyone can kill me really quick but me? NO!

[slate carbon]

have you come to be unfunny?

[solid hinge]

It's shit for hitting headshots

Get the Krummlauf spec for the stg @onyx cave

But it's good for bodyhits

[dense bone]

idk, i didnt know what else to use

[solid hinge]

Yall been doing good?

[dense bone]

no

[solid hinge]

Oof

[onyx cave]

@solid hinge whats the krummlauf?

[solid hinge]

Lee is poop in general

You were mauling yourself

Never stood a chance

my poor aperture..

[dense bone]

i wanted to try it

[slate carbon]

@solid hinge have you come to be cringy and generally unfunny?

[dense bone]

i thought phils was talking about me at first

[gray glade]

krummlauf is the german barrel attachment that allowed people to literally shoot around corners @onyx cave

[slate carbon]

never bb

[dense bone]

but yea, i was just doing lee to actually use it

it was fun

[onyx cave]

@gray glade ay?

[gray glade]

not joking

[slate carbon]

@onyx cave aaaaay

[solid hinge]

@slate carbon tf is ur problem

[slate carbon]

ur clearly trying to be edgy and i dont think its funny

[onyx cave]

IM CONFUSED, WHATS KRUMMLAUF

[solid hinge]

Edgy?

[slate carbon]

i must inform u of my opinion ok?

[gray glade]

https://news.guns.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/Krummlauf-Sturmgewehr-44-STg44.jpg

[onyx cave]

great

[slate carbon]

edgy, controversial, whatever

[onyx cave]

how does that help me

[coral fiber]

Wait...
If a tomato is fruit,... Then is ketchup considered a smoothie?

[solid hinge]

U could just shut

[slate carbon]

BROOOO

[onyx cave]

on the battlefield i got no sight and my gun is broken

[slate carbon]

THATS WOKE

[solid hinge]

@coral fiber

[slate carbon]

KETCHUP SMOOTHIE GANG

[raw orbit]

YO I LOVE IT WHEN IM HAVING A REALLY GOOD FUCKING GAME PULLING OF BIG SMOKES BIG FLANKS BIG KILLS TO SECURE ALL THE POINTS AND AT THE LAST MINUTE I GET THE FUCKING PERMDEAD BUGGGGGOHUSADHOPUFaesdh;oufsdhoui[sbdhn;oug

[coral fiber]

...

[solid hinge]

NO CAPS PLEASE 😠

[slate carbon]

no cap >:))))

[onyx cave]

yeah i noticed that being shot stunns you now.

why

[dense bone]

this chat is cursed

gg chat

[coral fiber]

Yes

[solid hinge]

:yikes-1:

[slate carbon]

epic dub time

[coral fiber]

Ketchup is confirmed a smoothie

[slate carbon]

dabs

[shell stone]

So, i hear they fucked up the release of the new guns. XD

[raw orbit]

you guys dont even know i was rolling the m3 going 35:5 fuck me

supressor actually makes such a huge difference

[slate carbon]

theres a supressor???

also can someone tell me bf1 had silenced pistol????

that shit didnt exist

[solid hinge]

Suppressor on grease gun is sick man

[onyx cave]

so being shot stuns you and being shot also throws off you aim. Game balance? whats that?!

[raw orbit]

being shot doesnt do either???

[slate carbon]

its not like a silencer tho right

?

[shell stone]

Speaking of supressors, do the cosmetic supressors actually work? Or are they only supressed when you choose the option on the perk list?

[onyx cave]

hit indicators too?! WHAT?!

[coarse thunder]

It silences your gun and doesn't tell the enemy the exact location they were shot from

[slate carbon]

no tracers????

[shell stone]

No, i mean the cosmetic things like Mint

[onyx cave]

i swear dice had a "bring your child to work day" and this is what happened

[slate carbon]

OH MY GOOOOOD

[solid hinge]

So yeah just get the krummlauf attachment @onyx cave

[coarse thunder]

So instead of a directional tracer, it just shows you being hit from "all around"

[slate carbon]

thats cool but also cheese

[shell stone]

Cheems

[raw orbit]

its so fucking good man every flank you get so many kills thanks to no arrows and low btk compared to mag size

[slate carbon]

i always thought it was odd that EVERY gun has tracer rounds

[raw orbit]

and when you get headshots its literally like a 2 shot kill i dont even know

[slate carbon]

like only heavy guns ARS and snipers should get tracers

[dense bone]

isnt that only under 10m though?

[onyx cave]

this game actually feels broken

[solid hinge]

The cosmetics do nowt

[shell stone]

?

[slate carbon]

a-a-ayla

[solid hinge]

Fun fact: all female characters have the same bust size

Headshot and body shot kill on the grease gun under 10m iirc

[slate carbon]

not true

[solid hinge]

Two headshots is a longer distance

[slate carbon]

soul calibur ivy has massive bazongos

[onyx cave]

theres too many high ttk weapons in a low ttk game

i cant wait for them to fuck up 6.2

[slate carbon]

@onyx cave its not a low ttk game

[shell stone]

@solid hinge do the cosmetic supressors actually function as supressors?

[slate carbon]

theres just a lot of bad guns and shit

[solid hinge]

Nah

[shell stone]

Ok

Thanks

[solid hinge]

There's only two suppressed guns currently

[coarse thunder]

Cosmetic spec

[shell stone]

Hecc

[solid hinge]

Medic has both of them

[shell stone]

XD

[slate carbon]

both the carbines?

[solid hinge]

Commando carbine is naturally suppressed and grease gun gets a suppressor spec

[onyx cave]

@slate carbon you sure?

[shell stone]

Would do well for Recon tbh. Supressed snipers

[slate carbon]

ooooh i see

[onyx cave]

take a look at the SMGs you never see

[solid hinge]

god knows why they gave medic the suppressed weapons, but I dont make the calls

[onyx cave]

they dont get used cause low TTK

[solid hinge]

Commando carbine should be on recon

Is the commando carbine iron sights any good?

[onyx cave]

so Sten, MP40, EMP,those

[slate carbon]

@onyx cave i mean, no. but it always has been. maybe they wanted a bit higher ttk, but its not like blops 4 or halo. those are high ttk

[solid hinge]

Trombone and jungle are good for medic but commando should definitely be a recon gun

[shell stone]

Because they know how to fix you, and they know how to kill you. They know the body.

Medic ninja

[onyx cave]

The M1907 high ttk but thats for the fast rof. the issue is low mag high BTK

[slate carbon]

@onyx cave you could argue bf5 has the highest ttk of any BF game. but i think its not so bad with certain guns

[onyx cave]

ttk 5.2 was best

but why change it?

[solid hinge]

m1907 has low btk up close

[onyx cave]

yeah

[solid hinge]

It just has that shitty drop off

Do you guys think assault should’ve had the smgs?

[onyx cave]

you got to shove that gun up the enemies arsh

[solid hinge]

Trombone has it's uses

[slate carbon]

is jungle carbine japanese?

[solid hinge]

Under 50 metres its solid and the grenade is legit good for pushing

Grenade a room and run in with revolver to one shot whoever got hit by the splash

[onyx cave]

overall, balance is non existant

[tribal cairn]

I never used the Grenade to be honest

[solid hinge]

It's not amazing or anything but it's a useful tool

[onyx cave]

the best weapon is the repair tool in my eyes

[solid hinge]

How would you guys rate bfv?

[onyx cave]

1 star

no game balance

[sterile current]

2x scope gets rid of glint

[onyx cave]

over all aesthetic

[slate carbon]

5/10 they gave up on firestorm and the gamemode rotation is shit as hell

[sterile current]

Put that on a Recon and they’ll never find you.

[hot drum]

Out of 5 stars 4,5

[slate carbon]

they removed frontlines as a main gametype

no tank bodies

the TOW outfits are usually ass

same with the camos

singleplayer was kinda shit ngl. coulda done more at least

[solid hinge]

Just wish they would’ve had the operations in bfv like bf1 with all the narrations

[sterile current]

Also, the medic carbines are the most powerful guns they have.

[slate carbon]

RIGHT. they dont make any more operations thats a big one

[sterile current]

60 damage per hit, and they have hip fire specs.

[onyx cave]

no nambu

it evaporates human

[slate carbon]

NO NAMBU

[solid hinge]

Only recon has glint in the first place

[slate carbon]

well yeah, but i dont know of those issues

[solid hinge]

The SLRs/bolt actions all have glint on 3x and 6x scopes

[tribal cairn]

Medics should definitely have scope glint

[solid hinge]

Nothing else does

[slate carbon]

to me those are the most important

[sterile current]

We need more carbine bolt rifles imo.

[solid hinge]

Does medic carbines get glint?

No fuckin clue why bolt carbines have no glint

Jungle carbine is terrifying

[slate carbon]

because stealth

[tribal cairn]

It is

[slender geode]

It’s so op

[slate carbon]

is jungle carbine japanese or US?

[sterile current]

UK

2 of them are Uk

[slate carbon]

UK? thats fuck

[sterile current]

1 Italian

[solid hinge]

It's the Lee Enfield with a shorter barrel

and higher rpm

and a spec for higher velocity

[slate carbon]

wait, no theres 3 carbines

the trombone, commando and the jungle carbine

[sterile current]

The Trombone is Italian, The Commando and jungle are Uk

[solid hinge]

🥴

[slate carbon]

what fuck

[tribal cairn]

Y'know what they could do if they decide Vietnam War is too touchy for some god damn reason?

Indochina

[sterile current]

We have no American, Japan, or German Bolt Carbines

[tribal cairn]

French

[slate carbon]

i only read it once and didnt unlock it in the season but it mentions the US in the gun description. its a uk gun tho? wack

[sterile current]

It’s a UK weapon.

[slate carbon]

wack

[solid hinge]

Just wish they had Italians, soviets, American, and Japanese at launch

[tribal cairn]

I mean, the Staghound is American,

So..

[slate carbon]

yea but no paid dlc so thats what we get

[sterile current]

I think we’ve gotten too many SMGs imo

[slate carbon]

watered down content that comes too far and few in between

[pastel grove]

Anybody else's Xbox Live down right now?

[slate carbon]

well, not too far but its not the content i want

[sterile current]

They should focus on Bolt Carbines as there are several.

[slate carbon]

@pastel grove xbox live? its up for me

[sterile current]

The Germans have shorter barrel Kar98

[tribal cairn]

How about making the minimum bullet velocity for Sniper rifles 700?

They need a buff anyway

[slate carbon]

i hope they make a semi carbine for medic. bf1 got me in love with medic rifles

[solid hinge]

Does anyone have the new elite yet?

[slate carbon]

not anyone who didnt pay for it

[solid hinge]

You can’t pay for it

[slate carbon]

you buy levels

[tribal cairn]

Yep

[slate carbon]

some people do it

[sterile current]

Recon’s rifles actually are competent in close range combat.

[solid hinge]

Oh yeah, that

[sterile current]

2 shots to the chest and 1 shot head of 1 if you get a lucky hip fire.

[tribal cairn]

My thoughts exactly

[solid hinge]

They're buffing sniper velocity in 6.2

[slate carbon]

amazing that headshots with snipe are revivable

same with explosions

like ur not getting back up

[tribal cairn]

Got a hole blasted through your chest by a 76mm gun?

[strong parrot]

You mean finishing buffing them

[tribal cairn]

Slap some bandages on that shit

[solid hinge]

Lee gets 100m/s boost, ross + m95 + arisaka get 150m/s boost, krag and kar get 200m/s boost

[tribal cairn]

Your all good

[slate carbon]

in some cases u just get helped up

[solid hinge]

they'll be 600m/s 750m/s 900m/s compared to current 500m/s 600m/s 700m/s

[tribal cairn]

900m/s sounds wonderful

[slate carbon]

"500lb bomb dropped on your face? cmon get up mate"

[solid hinge]

but god should they have fucking unrevivable headshots because using them for pushing is fucking pointless currently

[coarse thunder]

I thought bolt velocities already got buffed

[onyx cave]

no, but the only gun to have recoil now is the STG apparently

[gray glade]

two of them did

[slate carbon]

theres really no reason to use bolt action rifles

[strong parrot]

Nah they only had time to do 2

[solid hinge]

You hit that dude behind the sandbag wall? Great job, but the medic rezzed him literally instantly and the medic also has the jungle carbine so now the medic is fighting you and so is the other guy and you cant kill the other guy without the medic rezzing him

[slate carbon]

ONLY IN BATTLEFIELD

[gray glade]

the ross and the arisaka (?) were buffed with higher velocity

[strong parrot]

Just like they didn't have time to put the lunge mine fix in

[solid hinge]

It's pointless being sniper right now

[lilac pasture]

The Ross feels fantastic

[slate carbon]

ross rifle is canadian gun me happy

[tribal cairn]

Did they nerf spotting flares by the way?

[solid hinge]

the snipers should absolutely have unrevivable headshots

[tribal cairn]

They seem smaller

[solid hinge]

it wouldn't even make them that good it would just give them a niche

[slate carbon]

i dont think they did

[solid hinge]

hit that fucking annoying medic and watch him stay down

[tribal cairn]

Unrevivable headshots would make counter-sniping a whole lot Easier

[slate carbon]

medic update: medics can revive themselves once but cant revive anyone else after that

[solid hinge]

Currently medic rules supreme because theres only like 3 methods of becoming unrevivable and none of them are actually practical

Wtf why did that send again

[coral fiber]

Yeetle

[solid hinge]

begone discord

[coral fiber]

Lol

[slate carbon]

i dont feel the reviving is the main issue, its probably just team balance

like just push the point so they cant revive

[dense bone]

theres really no way to balance 64 players with thousands of factors at play

[slate carbon]

i get put on so many teams that just refuse to push sometimes

[dense bone]

1 person getting into a plane could change an entire game

[slate carbon]

they could at least try. bf3 and 4 had a team balancing system

[solid hinge]

The only ways currently of being unrevivable are; having your entire squad die, being run over, dying from fall damage, dying from a v1, dying from a melee execution (not melee, has to be the execution), and dying in deep water

None of these are actually practical

[slate carbon]

oh yeah planes are fuckin cancer in pacific war

like always planes have the potential to be the most op thing in the game

[dense bone]

its been a while but i dont recall many close games in bf3/4

[solid hinge]

You have no means of preventing someone being revived other than tossing an incendiary on them and that doesnt actually... seem to make them bleed out faster anymore

so like

[slate carbon]

everytime i see a pilot going like 40 and 3 it makes me question my life

[solid hinge]

you just have to pray no medics are around

[strong parrot]

Just go behind them and melee... instantly execute

[coral fiber]

Bonk

[lilac pasture]

Just use the fliegerfaust lol

[coral fiber]

Yes

[lilac pasture]

That shit is OP

[slate carbon]

IT DOESNT WORK MAN

[coral fiber]

Yes it does

[lilac pasture]

Maybe you just suck with it lol

[coral fiber]

I use it

[slate carbon]

IM NOT A FUGGENING MATHMATICIAN

[solid hinge]

tfw you go to melee a prone person but they instant 180 so you accidentally do the long execution animation and you get killed because you spent 8 seconds headbutting someone for them to only actually die on the 7th second

[slate carbon]

i cant do these impromptu estimates

[coral fiber]

Kinda weird right?
A pilot like using AA

[strong parrot]

Kek rage

[slate carbon]

theres no AA for US in pacific breakthrough

[coral fiber]

40mm SAA does hurt but eh

I use it still

[dense bone]

bf1 matches seemed close, but that was with behemoths coming in

and behemoths came often

[solid hinge]

The 40mm aa is good

[lilac pasture]

Remember the AA cannon from BF1? It was a dream come true

[solid hinge]

The AA tanks are fucking

shit

[coral fiber]

They're good now

[solid hinge]

I was doing more damage to enemy tanks than planes

[coral fiber]

6.0 did something to them

[slate carbon]

behemoths <3

[lilac pasture]

I’m a solid pilot, and the AA tanks aren’t bad

I’ve been raped by them before

[slate carbon]

@solid hinge yes finally someone else notices this

[dense bone]

behemoths were shit

any comeback system is shit

[tribal cairn]

stationary AA is quite fun to use time to time

[dense bone]

let people lose

[coral fiber]

MAA actually shreds

Euro ones suck ass tho

[lilac pasture]

This man clearly never came across the dreadnaught

[tribal cairn]

True

[slate carbon]

@dense bone may as well just end the match in conq when the enemy caps all points

[coral fiber]

Wirbelwind is so disappointing

[tribal cairn]

I prefer the Pacific Stationary AA

[solid hinge]

yes

[slate carbon]

theres none for US tho :(

[tribal cairn]

The Wirbelwind, I'd expect them to uphold it's reputation

[dense bone]

@slate carbon for casuals sure, they cant coordinate

[solid hinge]

The cannons on pacific are OP

[tribal cairn]

But I guess not

[dense bone]

there should be a mercy system that just ends that round

[slate carbon]

@dense bone are you implying 90% of BF playerbase isnt casual?

[dense bone]

im implying 95% of players are casual

[slate carbon]

bf is like the number 1 casual game

[solid hinge]

The stationary AA felt good in Pacific, the machine gun aa felt fucking awful

[slate carbon]

BRO wtF

[solid hinge]

The japanese stationary mg is best

Dedicated two rounds solely to playing AA tank to deal with these cancerous zeros and I couldn't do anything effective to them

[slate carbon]

it cant be 95% because i make up at least 6%

and im a god

[tribal cairn]

They just to need to add the Flak 88

[solid hinge]

^

I got a single kill on a plane in both rounds and that was a lucky hit on a plane with 2 health at like 300 metres

[strong parrot]

Just aim the 50 cals

[solid hinge]

The bullet velocity was so low I had to aim off screen to hit planes at like 100m away

The guns overheat incredibly fast

[prime river]

Hi, will Red Army be in battlefield V?

[solid hinge]

no

They dont seem to actually deal damage, idk if its dodgy hitreg or something but every time a plane flies directly in a straight line and I pepper it with shots I get under 50 damage before I overheat

only more japanese.........

[tribal cairn]

Probably will be

[solid hinge]

more pacific dice pls

there was one situation where a plane did a long turn directly behind me and I had enough time to dump practically two full overheats into it at under 10 metres away and it did about 76 damage

If I'd had a tank I could have just.. shot it

And it would have actually died

Idk if its hitreg issues or whatever

I get chronic hitreg problems in tanks

It certainly feels like my shots arent connecting

I can't tell

[strong parrot]

PS4 hates you

[solid hinge]

Literally

[strong parrot]

But it's enjoyable for us

[coral fiber]

There needs to be a long delay to reload the ER in planes

Like in bf1

Not just 3 seconds

[strong parrot]

Pfft pilots would cry

[coral fiber]

Let them

Who cares anyways

[strong parrot]

[coral fiber]

Tired of pilots fucking circling their base

Instant repairs

It's only the terrible ones that complain all the damn time

Good ones adapt like i have when the FF came out

[solid hinge]

FF was stupid good on release because it barely required aiming

[coral fiber]

It was too ez to use imo

[solid hinge]

Panic hipfire into the air and watch planes go plop

[coral fiber]

Usually i kept my distance and i was fine

[solid hinge]

Now it sucks because no one ever takes it because its useless against anything other than planes

It needs to at least do something else

Make it blow up sandbag walls after two volleys

[coral fiber]

Make it 1 shot infantry lol

[lilac pasture]

Still waiting for the WWI stahlhelm and Brodie helmets for BFV

[slate carbon]

does anyone care about firestorm?

[solid hinge]

Make it do minor damage to infantry around corners and stuff

[coral fiber]

No

[gray glade]

also, good pilots often dont get in range of the FF anymore

[coral fiber]

Yeah

[solid hinge]

Make it do fuckin 5 damage to tanks per volley

[slate carbon]

cmon firestorm not that bad

[strong parrot]

That would take the piss, ff destroying walls but not the panzerfaust

[solid hinge]

Literally anything other than only effective vs planes

Because it's not bad against planes currently it's just not worth picking

because like

99% of threats arent planes

[slate carbon]

idk how im supposed to level up my planes when theres always insane pilots on the enemy team ffs

[solid hinge]

Planes usually get air domination quite quickly

The other teams planes then have to spawn in one by one

[coral fiber]

That's if the pilots know what they're doing

[solid hinge]

and usually get mauled

[coral fiber]

I can handle 1 good pilot
But 3, shheeshh, holy shit

[slate carbon]

it only takes two really

[gray glade]

how common is "air peace" for you @coral fiber ?

[coral fiber]

Not common

[gray glade]

i see quite often on PC that both teams have pilots that are like 30-0

[slate carbon]

you can get behind someone eventually but when they have a wingman its impossible

[main grove]

For fucks sake why are the irons on Japanese MGs so bad

[coral fiber]

Mostly cuz im the one who engages first

[main grove]

WHY ARE THEY SO THICK

ITS LIKE AIMING DOWN A BRICK

Like BREN has got decent irons

[coral fiber]

Japanese 100

[main grove]

They changed the MP28 some time back to have a thinner front post

[slate carbon]

japanese sights take more skill

[gray glade]

is it worse than madsen? @main grove

[main grove]

So why don’t they do that to Type 11 and Type 97

[solid hinge]

The bombers in europe get air peace a lot

[main grove]

Madsen sights aren’t that bad

[coral fiber]

Yes they do @solid hinge

[solid hinge]

Because the blenheim cant kill the ju88 and vice versa

[slate carbon]

i use the AA sights on jap mgs

ez fix

[solid hinge]

they literally dont have enough frontal firepower for it without taking the gimmicky specs

[main grove]

But I wish I could do well with the irons on type 11

Like AA sights make it piss easy

Next to no blockage from the gun itself

[raw orbit]

yes ayla and its a huge fucking problem

[trail furnace]

the AA sight make it surprisingly vintage

i like

[raw orbit]

cause whne both teams are full bombers theres now no way to take them out

and both sides get to suffer 3 100-0 bombers on both teams

[trail furnace]

i have the AA sights for the type 11 and 97

[raw orbit]

if only we had the bf4 spawning system

[trail furnace]

just 👌

[coral fiber]

Bombers dominated when the FF came out
Fighters always died and bombers stay high
How are you suppose to take out bombers when they keep dying to the FF

[raw orbit]

i find it very hard to die to the flieger ngl brother

[coral fiber]

When i played fjell with a friend, we flew a Ju88A just to see what it was like
We didn't get attacked by any fighter lol
A lot of bombers were near us tho lol

Talking about when it first released

Now it's alright but still deadly

[raw orbit]

even then tho but im not the kinda pilot who farms infantry kills so maybe i dont fly low enough

[coral fiber]

Probably

FF and SAA combo is insta death

[solid hinge]

If a FF actually hits you then if theres a SAA around you're dead

[sterile current]

We need Air Superiority mode.

I wanna have massive 64 player plane matches.

[strong parrot]

frostbite would break down and cry

[dense bone]

is there enough airspace for that?

[sterile current]

They can do what battlefront 2 did and add a massive aerial map like in the tutorial you have to go through before playing battlefield 5

The German map during the tutorial.

[solid hinge]

the engine would die and half the planes would be obsolete

stacking 4 x 20mm mosquitos would be overwhelmingly the best tactic as brits

[sterile current]

They could do a massive plane overhaul to facilitate this mode.

[solid hinge]

That would require them actually balancing things

[sterile current]

Like replace our plane mechanics with battlefront 2’s and make them easier to use on PC

[amber notch]

yeah in battlefront 2 where planes are even more OP

[vestal locust]

I always thought I had no life.... but holy fuck when I see people at rank 230+ I really start to question their sanity... and health

[amber notch]

well yeah

@vestal locust there is someone in this server that is rank 300 or something

[brave garnet]

Im barely at 98

[worn flare]

I'm win account origin with Battle Field 4 B)

[sterile current]

I mean they can start balancing the planes and adjusting them.

[vestal locust]

Seen one of them once so far (Xbox of all things)

[solid hinge]

tfw air ground interaction in swbf2 is watching the aircraft struggle to kill a single person in one strafe run and watching the ground units have literally no anti air method

[vestal locust]

I think I just hit 86...

[sterile current]

Just replace the flight movement mechanics with battlefront 2’s.

It’d make them easier to use, and less complicated.

[strong parrot]

sentry mode is great for anti air

[solid hinge]

That would be problematic with the current way the planes are balanced

Also people would be furious

[strong parrot]

even more reason to do it

[solid hinge]

sentry hurts air units?

[strong parrot]

have you never shot at a ship before?

literally any blaster damages it

[solid hinge]

Yeah it did fuck all damage and then it flew away and regened everything in 3 seconds

[slate carbon]

blasters is battlefront

[strong parrot]

click the head

[slate carbon]

this is battlefield

[solid hinge]

I used to fly bombers relentlessly because nothing ever hurt them

the spawning in battlefront is even worse than in battlefield

[strong parrot]

dont remind me

[solid hinge]

the enemy starcraft can fly behind your spawn point

so you spawn into the air with them already behind you

[vestal locust]

Why are we talking about changing the flight mechanics? I Find quite enjoyable right now

[solid hinge]

absolute genius move

[slate carbon]

oh youre actually talking about battlefront

its easier to fly in space

or do you sail?

huh?

[solid hinge]

Jet engines set to forwards

[slate carbon]

man i hated that jet in bf4

i could never figure out the controls but if i did get it to hover id immediately get rpg'd

[main grove]

Fucking plane carries are real

Some dude in a Zero got 45k points and the 2nd person on the leader board got 16k

It’s the fucking flares

They actually last forever

And you can’t shoot them down

As infy

[slate carbon]

what if they gave snipers skiis

[main grove]

They should either not work at a certain altitude or free fall until about 100m or so

Then the parachute deploys

[slate carbon]

parachute and deploy skiis

[strong parrot]

nah dont be logical

[balmy condor]

[slate carbon]

[strong parrot]

and then recons cant even use their flare because of the plane one

[main grove]

I’d say make then not even deployable at a certain altitude

Force them to get lower

yessssss

lower

[slate carbon]

you only get one parachute and only on airdrop mode

[main grove]

Right into harms way

Spotting Camera is also busted

[strong parrot]

i like your thinking

[slate carbon]

bf5 needs behemoths

and levolutions

[main grove]

Like spotting camera should spot and leave markers where they were when the picture was taken

Not cause a map wide live spot

That tracks

[slate carbon]

vro

[dense bone]

fuck no to behemoths

[strong parrot]

pfft this is ww2 not ww1

[dense bone]

yes to levolution

[slate carbon]

seems weird to me they made those bomb planes not level everything

it doesnt even make that big of a crater on grass and shit

[dense bone]

because people like empty maps

[vestal locust]

Still waiting for my dauntless divebombers with torpedo

[strong parrot]

dive bomb...the jap runway!

[slate carbon]

you cant its imo juno and ur US

u just get shot down by AA

[balmy condor]

[vestal locust]

See the torpedo bounce across the tarmac into a ammo supply with infantry around it.... 💥

[solid hinge]

The bomb craters fuck with tank treads

[slate carbon]

remember how in the trailer for pacific a dude crashes his plane into the plane bomb thing? i tried to do the same thing and it didnt work

very big letdown shame dice

[strong parrot]

what was it supposed to do

[night glade]

haven't people posted a bunch of clips of them crashing into the v1 on reddit?

[solid hinge]

We need a Kamikaze specialzation 😔

tfw they were gonna have sidearms unavailable

good fuckin lord

[wild oxide]

Wow okay

[solid hinge]

not pay to win tho

🙂

[dense bone]

because sidearms are super viable

[solid hinge]

the model 27 is statistically far better at range than the rest of them

Just use a fast firing sidearm. Revolvers are slow

ive been using the shotgun and there's no sidearm I own that makes up for it's inferior range

[dense bone]

models 27 with its what 75 rof?

[solid hinge]

It's the one that does the spin when you pull it out

It's an instant headshot kill up to 30 metres

Would be greatly beneficial

[dense bone]

oh yea because people are cranking out headshots consistently in the first place

[solid hinge]

they also broke squad conquest

[strong parrot]

lol...so hes trying to defend sidearms from not being buyable, but then in the confirmation update also "jungle carbine" that doesnt seem like a sidearm

[solid hinge]

I've seen multiple proning people while I was running shotgun that I could have killed had I had the gun

[dense bone]

doesnt mean its op

[shy badger]

What's wrong with scq?

[solid hinge]

https://www.reddit.com/r/BattlefieldV/comments/f1stbk/most_urgent_things_wrong_with_the_game_that_need/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share

[dense bone]

Volume of foot steps (too loud and unrealistic)

TTK needs to be lower

Make tanks great again

yea not taking that serious

[solid hinge]

it's amusing because he says all sidearms made available through weekly TOW havent been available for purchase, but we haven't had any sidearms through weekly TOW

[strong parrot]

Since the launch of Battlefield V, sidearms and melee weapons that have featured as rewards for Tides of War or Chapter Rank Up Progression have never been purchasable via Company.

[coarse thunder]

Tanks got real good vs infantry with the trade off that vehicle v vehicle sucks

[dense bone]

"muh realism" and "make tanks great again"

[strong parrot]

all 2 new side arms....from the previous chapter

[solid hinge]

The actual post is shit but braddocks comments are relevant

[strong parrot]

oh you were just saying that

[solid hinge]

because he seems to be from an alternate universe where we actually got sidearms

[strong parrot]

maybe he thought we got a silenced 1911?

like was in the trailer...or a welrod?

[solid hinge]

tfw community manager watches the trailer to remember whats in the game

[dense bone]

🤷 i dont particularly care what someone says or if they change their mind or whatever

[solid hinge]

[dense bone]

why do i care if dude is apparently shit at his job

[gritty fog]

Did they find a solution to cheating?It was out of control

[rocky verge]

Ayla got a new pfp

Where the rage at tho

[strong parrot]

and then watches the trailer and reacts to half the new weapons on it

[solid hinge]

It's just another thing to add to list of dice being bad

[dense bone]

ITT: people mad they arent making braddock money

[solid hinge]

Also yes

I want money to lie to reddit

Peak job

[strong parrot]

yo where can i get that?

[solid hinge]

Unironically

[dense bone]

apply for it 🤷

[wild oxide]

That would be the life

[strong parrot]

paid to lie to your community? thats a step up from being a discord mod

[solid hinge]

I already do this for free there's no way they'd pay me

[strong parrot]

nah you break so many rules as it is

[solid hinge]

I'm using braddock as my inspiration

[dense bone]

i just dont get why people care so much

[strong parrot]

she raging at 5am again about swbf2 in the battlefield channel

[solid hinge]

i hate the snap aim its to the point where i dont want to play the game i cant stand people using this shitty mechanic why did dice even make this a thing ? it doesnt even take skill to be good at this game anymore (not like it was that hard to be good before) now all i do is die to these gimps sitting in a corner with a type 2a and just press LT and im dead

[dense bone]

im not in a relationship with braddock or the game

[strong parrot]

wow....snap aim isnt even real

youre just imagining it

[solid hinge]

I enjoy being mad to a degree

👁‍🗨

[dense bone]

seems like it

[wild oxide]

Gotta get that dopamine rush from being mad

[strong parrot]

reverse high

[lilac umbra]

it says not avaible on multiplayer

[dense bone]

@solid hinge because its a mechanic that has been in console games for generations, dice is just now adding it for some reason

[main grove]

I don’t really like being mad NGL

[strong parrot]

so you must not play a lot of bfv these days

[solid hinge]

adding it to get all these fortnite kids to start playing the game @dense bone

[dense bone]

it has nothing to do with fortnite

[strong parrot]

nah they tried that with firestorm

[main grove]

Fortnite bad

[dense bone]

AA is a console staple

[strong parrot]

which is literally a dumpster fire

[solid hinge]

fortnite bad minecraft good you may laugh

[dense bone]

idk any mp fps's on console that dont have it

[solid hinge]

yeah firestorms a load of shit

[dense bone]

you know snap aim is in just about every console fps right?

[solid hinge]

why couldnt they just keep it at the aim assist slow down

[main grove]

Is the snap super crutchy though

Like because in BF1 bolt carbines it was

[dense bone]

the snap distance isnt that strong

[solid hinge]

yeah but its not as bad as in bfv

[strong parrot]

it 👏 doesnt 👏 effect 👏 gameplay 👏

[main grove]

BF1 snap was way way worse though

[dense bone]

you basically have to be within a foot of the player in the first place for it to go to center

@main grove yea?

[solid hinge]

nah people can snap from a good distance out

sometimes

[main grove]

People said oh my god scopes suck I’m a proud irons main with bolties

[solid hinge]

it doesnt even work properly but still is annoying as hell

[main grove]

But only because they had AA with irons

[dense bone]

holy shit BF1 snap is pretty far...

[main grove]

Scopes were super difficult in BF1

Irons were so fucking easy

And optics

[dense bone]

god this community gets more and more contradicting

bf1 looks to have stronger snap aim...

[main grove]

Well might as well call that bapy aimbot

[dense bone]

a lot of people say bf1 > bfv

and yet bf1 had more casual mechanics

[main grove]

Remember when BF1 came out

And people said BF4>BF1

[solid hinge]

well its a feature that wasnt needed id rather it had been in the game since launch and op than never im the game

[dense bone]

people really dont know what they complain about

they just complain huh?

[shy badger]

Bf4 is still better than 1

[solid hinge]

i was still playing bf4 when bf1 came out

[dense bone]

@solid hinge its a feature that is used in nearly every console fps, it is near needed because of how inaccurate console is

[main grove]

I hated BF4

[dense bone]

(i still havent found a game that doesnt use AA on console)

[main grove]

R6S

On PVP

It has AA on terrorist hunt

And it’s a snap

[dense bone]

so we got 1 game

that is a super sweaty try hard game btw

[brave garnet]

It is

[wild oxide]

The only thing I really disliked about BF4 were the attack helis that just spammed Hydras from five miles away, and maybe the spread on the lmgs

[solid hinge]

good

[main grove]

I liked R6 when it first came out and people were still doing dumb fun shit

[brave garnet]

Its also fun to go in ranked an fuck with your teammates

[main grove]

And not sweating Ela and Jäger

[dense bone]

look at this snap assist on bf1

https://youtu.be/4g8m8kvcg0E?t=196

[shy badger]

Attack helis were really op on some maps yea

[strong parrot]

at this point people know all the angles to hold 😩

[solid hinge]

yeah the martini thing was op

[shy badger]

But they had their counters in most maps

[solid hinge]

but i dont think its needed

i may just save up for a pc so i can stop complaining about this aim

[strong parrot]

[solid hinge]

id rather run into a hacker than a whole server of these braindead gimps with their AA

[strong parrot]

ah yes a man of culture as well

[main grove]

Man I miss the vetterli

[strong parrot]

i hope youre not in the EU or asia server area

then youll really run into hackers

[solid hinge]

well i am in the EU

balls

[shy badger]

EUs fine

[main grove]

If you’re shit AA is really not gonna safe your life

[strong parrot]

[solid hinge]

from what ive seen EU isnt that bad

[prime pine]

Brbrbrbrbt

[solid hinge]

ive seen more hackers in ravics videos than from european youtubers

[prime pine]

I would love to be the gunner of an AT heli crew

[strong parrot]

proof that snap makes you better

[prime pine]

Noot noot blackout!

[shy badger]

It's fine, but I'd rather be in an AA tank bods >:D

Noot noot

[brave garnet]

Noot noot

[prime pine]

In bf4 you knew to keep away

They didnt overheat as fast

[shy badger]

@brave garnet stahp

[brave garnet]

Nei

Noot noot

[prime pine]

Sleep tablets really have messed me up ugh

[shy badger]

MAAs in bfv are really crap compared to bf4s

[light radish]

what happened to the servers in bfv?

why is there only 1 aussie and 2 japanese servers

[brave garnet]

Noot noot
Tanki tanki

[prime pine]

Their rpm to overheat ratio just eh

[light radish]

imagine not using an extended mag lewis gun

[prime pine]

Yeah they're 50. Cals but their output is lacking

[light radish]

the issue is theyre stationary

[prime pine]

The lvt aa

[light radish]

the only stationary guns ive ever had a use for is the ones on operation underground

[brave garnet]

Its .50 not 50.

[shy badger]

I actually don't mind the Pacific MAA as much

At least it's good at something

[light radish]

I prefer the bofors to the 20mm

[shy badger]

The german one is just shit

[brave garnet]

2cm Flak 38

I never knew the 40mm Bofors was from 🇸🇪

[main grove]

Everyone bought the bloody BOFORS

It was super popular

[light radish]

yeah

it was used by all major powers in ww2

where tf do I equip the lunge mine

[bitter vigil]

In game, while in a match or in company

@light radish

[light radish]

in a match

[crystal blaze]

Did you unlock it mid-match

[bitter vigil]

Go to your soldier and it should be the second gadget

[light radish]

I unlocked it at the end of last match

[crystal blaze]

Just go to your company

Its in assault and support

[bitter vigil]

^

[light radish]

what does it replace?

[crystal blaze]

Dynamite/at mines for assault

[bitter vigil]

Your second gadget

[crystal blaze]

Yes

[light radish]

its not there

[slate carbon]

is that the lunge mine?

ye like he said its for those two classes. if its not there try restarting the game

[solid hinge]

You gotta unlock it in chapter rewards fiest

Leave the round and go through the shitty ui

[light radish]

ok dad

[rocky verge]

40mm is a nice AA

Love it over the german one

[crystal blaze]

Yes

It 2 shots infantry

[rocky verge]

That's why ita slow

Powerful round

[fickle carbon]

Are you kidding me

A car door stopped a AT shot

[rocky verge]

Oof

[crystal blaze]

Haven’t seen anyone use the m1897 in a while

[light radish]

cuz the m37 is a direct upgrade basically

[wild oxide]

I only really use the m1897 on maps where I know people like to bunch up in close quarters, other wise the double barrel is much more preferable

[solid hinge]

it's got very few advantages over the 12g

very slightly longer range but it's way easier to shoot twice

[light radish]

the m37 is better than the mag5

[icy sluice]

I keep forgetting the Model 37 has slam fire

[solid hinge]

m37 busts ass up close too

[icy sluice]

Busts ass

[solid hinge]

It doesnt like doing it for me

[novel blaze]

what is 6.2

[icy sluice]

an upcoming update

[light radish]

the shotguns assignment is broken

I got a quad kill on an objective twice and still no beans

[crystal blaze]

I hate the assignments where it says to kill a certain amount of people while attacking an objective

[fickle carbon]

Istg, how does bullets just phase through someone

Ok how tf

Melee'd TWICE

NO DAMAGE

[crystal blaze]

Are you sure that isn’t a dead person

[fickle carbon]

Nope

[icy sluice]

So you are not sure?

[fickle carbon]

If they're actively walking and shooting me

Pretty sure they ain't dead

[icy sluice]

Probably dead inside

[wild oxide]

Was it only happening for that one person, or multiple

[fickle carbon]

Just the 1 person

And no

They weren't a medic

[wild oxide]

Maybe they had a shit connection, could be anything with this game

[light radish]

is the lunge mine charge the same keybind as bayonet charge?

[crystal blaze]

No

Just run and click

Not melee button

Also you can just use it without running around

[fickle carbon]

2 shot revolvers are cool

[icy sluice]

You can get the other one now

[crystal blaze]

What do you expect from a revolver

[light radish]

5 tanks mama mia

[crystal blaze]

I gave up on using lunge mines on vehicles

[light radish]

a bomb on a stick vs 5 tanks great job dice

[crystal blaze]

I only use lunge mines on support since ammo crate gives another mine

[light radish]

WHY CANT I CALL IN THE HACHI

FUCK YOU DICE

[formal valley]

oy

[crystal blaze]

Why can we call in smoke barrage but not sector artillery on operation underground

[light radish]

5 v 0 and the game wont let me call in the hachi

great game

[fleet bloom]

yo i got a question, havent played since the week after they changed weapons, but has the meta just turned into pick the weapon with the fastest fire rate for each class and use that for all ranges since there is no meaningful recoil ?

[light radish]

a lot less people using the type2a actually

[fickle carbon]

Bruh

It's hard to find amusment or fun in this game when it's just bs over and over

[crystal blaze]

Gonna take a while to get bazooka

[fleet bloom]

apart from support and recon that has been what ive noticed the past 5 days

[crystal blaze]

So apparently bazooka has less drop but lower damage, along with 5 rockets

[deep forge]

i just scheissed my pants

[fickle carbon]

This game can't even register that I'm not supposed to be wearing the burnt clothing set

[deep forge]

omg did u actually buy it

ITS A WOODEN PLANK

WITH FIRE

[fickle carbon]

Literally just for plank

[crystal blaze]

Burnt chicken nugget soldier

[fickle carbon]

Kek

[light radish]

when are they gonna fix solomon

[deep forge]

you shouldve got earnst or jack

[crystal blaze]

When are they gonna fix 5 damage lunge mine

[deep forge]

@light radish the spawns are ass

[light radish]

and tanks

no anti tank defences

[deep forge]

i spawned infront of a guy

[light radish]

half the points dont even have tank spawns on defence

[crystal blaze]

Just allow less tanks for attack

[solid hinge]

they already have a fix for lunge mine

they forgot to put it in the patch

[deep forge]

BANZAI

[crystal blaze]

Oh

[light radish]

lunge mines arent the issue the issue is 5v0 tanks

[deep forge]

tanks are for pussys

[fierce radish]

No u

[icy sluice]

Still better than this guy

@fickle carbon

[fickle carbon]

Jfc

Current match is just braindead vs tryhards

[crystal blaze]

Sounds like most breakthrough matches to me

[fickle carbon]

It's not one of those

"They're so bad it's funny" matches

It's just awful

[hollow bane]

I like running into a tree with the lunge mine and exploding and then running into a tank and it not exploding

Then I cant sprint and get ran over by the tank

[solid hinge]

I pulled a three man with the lunge mine

Not by a tank, the thing is good fun

[crystal blaze]

M1 garand with grenade launcher paired with dynamite and piat creates the best kd booster on underground

[hollow bane]

Oh its hell ah fun

But the times it doesnt work

Like bruh

[sonic otter]

@crystal blaze not at all. Suomi, max smoke nades, not playing like you want to die.

[crystal blaze]

Are you using suomi for firerate

[sonic otter]

Nah 50 round mag

either that, the grease gun, or a thompson

[crystal blaze]

I might play medic on underground if my team lacks medics

[sonic otter]

When I play, my team wont need another one lol

[strong parrot]

at least you are modest

[light radish]

piat as a mortar is good

[crystal blaze]

Yes

[light radish]

tfw the only map and gamemode i wanna play has 1 player on it

I refuse to play conquest

[crystal blaze]

Thats like how i cant seem to find underground breakthrough whenever i look for it

[light radish]

iwo jima it is

[sonic otter]

@strong parrot check me out on BFV tracker lol I also stream 👍

[solid hinge]

You don't need medics if you just don't die

SMH my head

[strong parrot]

oh shit..only pros stream

[solid hinge]

Just run all assault and support, then mortar the hell out of the enemy team

Don't even get in their lines of sight, just sit behind a wall and reign hell upon them

[crystal blaze]

Using piat as a mortar is good for disabling turrets

[solid carbon]

kappa

[sonic otter]

@strong parrot I mean I am owner of one of BF's largest teams on xbox and top .5% in every class soooooo..

[solid hinge]

@sonic otter evidence of that?

[light radish]

gotta love getting destroyed by fire bombs while out planes do nothing

[solid hinge]

Not saying I don't necessarily believe you, I'm a man of science so I like to see stats

[sonic otter]

@solid hinge BFVtracker.com

look up my gt on the xbox tab. Don FunnyMan

[solid hinge]

Alrighty

[sonic otter]

@solid hinge sorry its just battlefieldtracker.com

[solid hinge]

So far so good

[sonic otter]

not bfv

[solid hinge]

No I got you up

[strong parrot]

alright youre really reaching there on the .5% usually people mean spm with that number...not just raw numbers because youve played for 38 days

[solid hinge]

However

[sonic otter]

67,000 kills and itll be 70,000 tomorrow night on my overnight stream

[solid hinge]

Did you do the leave the match before you bleed out thing

[sonic otter]

negative. Check out my twitch or mixer 🙂

[solid hinge]

To boost kd, just asking

Titch?

[strong parrot]

You know im not .5% either so what do i know, im just a scrub

[solid hinge]

It's been awhile since I've checked mine

[sonic otter]

Twitch sorry lol typo at work

[solid hinge]

Wait wtf

I'm rank 119

I'm sorry?

What?

[sonic otter]

Im like 160

[solid hinge]

My accuracy though

10%

Jesus

[tribal cairn]

Imagine having sweet spots again

[solid hinge]

Longest headshot is 270m with the Grease Gun apparently

Idk how but ok

[sonic otter]

I play air as well. No way Im keeping accuracy with strafe runs lol

[solid hinge]

no no I mean infantry

10% as infantry

Thompson and Garand are my most used

Sten is #1 though, despite me never using the thing after I got it gold

[sonic otter]

Yea I played around too much when the MG42 incendiary rounds melted aircraft in a single run lol

[solid hinge]

hehe

Let's check vehicles

[sonic otter]

I love my tanks and planes!

[solid hinge]

Sherman has a 200% lead with 600 kills

Tanks are fun

Planes need improvements but they're fun too

[light radish]

low level planes are so frustrating

[sonic otter]

on our MFIA vs SWAT EEGL opener I pulled an 80-5 on iwo jima lol

[light radish]

how am I supposed to level them up when im getting destroy by octa hmgs

[solid hinge]

I can help

Fly out of the main combat area right after takeoff and basically just circle the edge

[crystal blaze]

Play ju88c

[light radish]

are the pacific planes best for level or dive bombing

[solid hinge]

Montitor the enemy planes until you believe you can get up behind one and rip their wings

Knock out one of the wings then attack the body with hmgs. That should take em down.

After that circle up and back to the edge and look again, if you don't see any planes then go bombing runs

[light radish]

and theyre useless for air to ground so thats out of the picture

[solid hinge]

It depends

Dive bombing is good for skilled players

[prime pine]

The pacific bombers excel in tank bombing

[solid hinge]

Leveled is good for everyone else