battlefield-legacy-titles

[earnest wharf]

You guys know the lvt is harder to kill than a Sherman?

[idle breach]

people spawn more safely,

[balmy condor]

experimental boat

[idle breach]

and you got 2 MG with no deadzone

[midnight nimbus]

man if only the autocannon canister rounds were good

[idle breach]

dead angle

[midnight nimbus]

would've been 💯

[solid hinge]

That's a good point

[idle breach]

no dead angle, 2 MG frontward

fucking op really

[solid hinge]

Shit

Big brain

[midnight nimbus]

too bad even LAV canister in BF4 sucked

[idle breach]

sure there would be some footabe on subreddit

https://www.reddit.com/r/BattlefieldV/comments/eimzb3/imo_best_way_to_land_on_beach/

[tacit kelp]

@earnest wharf yes its broken

[idle breach]

yeah i saved this

[brave coral]

Not sure driving the landing boats backwards is really OP lol

[coral fiber]

I used the LVCP as a mobile spawn point in wake island BT

Lmfao

[idle breach]

after seeing that I only does this and

this is fucking overpowered

[brave coral]

I guess the MGs can be useful when you land

But past that... not convinced

[idle breach]

passengers are more safe

[midnight nimbus]

haven't played BFV vehicles with the big update, but the gameplay looks so unpleasant lol

why even engage other tanks

takes forever to kill

[brave coral]

Still doesn’t make it OP

[midnight nimbus]

can't move fast

[brave coral]

When you land they still have to come round the side of the boat to go anywhere

[idle breach]

yeah

but

[midnight nimbus]

Mk8 and Archer at least used to dunk on other tanks kinda fast

[idle breach]

2 mg front

is op enough i guess

[earnest wharf]

Tanks generally shoot at each other more often than planes to each other

[solid hinge]

archer can take 70 damage from the front now

[tacit kelp]

or tanks to planes 😄

[midnight nimbus]

yeah, tankers not as woke as pilots

[solid hinge]

pinnacle of gameplay

[midnight nimbus]

vehicle truce is the way

[earnest wharf]

Archer is going to get a bit of a buff from their ass sticking out afaik

[brave coral]

I think the phrase you’re looking for is probably ‘makes the boats slightly more useful as an offensive tool’

Rather than OP

[idle breach]

okay

driving lvcp backward is ot

[midnight nimbus]

when vehicles can't present imminent threats to each other

why even engage other vehicles

[solid hinge]

they need it if they're gonna go from 15 damage to 70 damage by moving 5 millimetres to the side

[idle breach]

offensive tool

ot

[earnest wharf]

Right now using an Archer is a death sentence

[midnight nimbus]

MW tanking is unironically better than BFV now

[solid hinge]

I can't imagine the massive variation in damage is intended

[midnight nimbus]

bc at least they can threaten each other really well

so vehicle truce just isn't logical

[earnest wharf]

I think 6.0 we will get faster tank vs tank combat

[midnight nimbus]

going for a vehicle kill is actually incentivized

[solid hinge]

We better do

[gloomy kraken]

Isnt the MW rocket launcher made that if you lock on the tank you do more damage?

[solid hinge]

please god nerf repairing too

[midnight nimbus]

something like that

[brave garnet]

I did 22 damage to an archer with APCR from the PzB 39

[midnight nimbus]

like at least BF4 tank v tank TTK was fast enough where you wanted to go for other tanks before you got to farm infy

[solid hinge]

That's more than my tiger was doing until the game decided to give me 70

It feels more inconsistent than before

[earnest wharf]

In bf5 they really need to improve vehicle vs vehicle incentives

[solid hinge]

which I don't think was the intent

[earnest wharf]

Especially planes

[midnight nimbus]

at the very minimum

BF needs to give two kills

one for the driver

[solid hinge]

Give bombers decent primaries

[midnight nimbus]

one for the vehicle itself

[earnest wharf]

Something like that

[midnight nimbus]

tanks should never have to take more than ~5 shells to kill each other

[gray glade]

why not

[earnest wharf]

Depends on what shell though

[midnight nimbus]

BF4 was 4HK in tank v tank, 5 if you waste one on APS

[gloomy kraken]

And angle

[solid hinge]

It's boring and there's not enough ammo for it

[midnight nimbus]

fuck the shell shit

genuinely awful

[earnest wharf]

I don't want a 2pdr to 5 shot kill a tiger

[midnight nimbus]

it's a huge issue with BFV vehicle v vehicle in general

[gray glade]

how to balance say staghound vs tiger

[midnight nimbus]

you have these absolutely colossal variances in vehicle v vehicle TTK

[earnest wharf]

Because there are such different tanks

[midnight nimbus]

movement is so shit that if you know you don't even stand a chance of winning, you just don't engage

[icy sluice]

I am pretty sure I 3 or 4 shot a Panzer IV with a Staghound before

[midnight nimbus]

in its actual effects on gameplay, it's absolute garbage

[gray glade]

how to balance agression vs camping corners with less shells to kill a tank

[earnest wharf]

At a good angle yes you can

[gray glade]

tanks camp so much as it is, i dont want them to be even more afraid of moving 😄

they would be going in reverse

[solid hinge]

I camp because the movement feels awful

[marble phoenix]

All tanks got different weak spots.

[earnest wharf]

38 T, if I sneak up to a bunch of British tanks they are all dead lol

[midnight nimbus]

a Staghound should honestly be able to drop a Tiger from 100-0 in not much more time the Tiger can drop it from 100-0

[solid hinge]

and the first person sucks

[midnight nimbus]

lol Tiger 2 shotting the Staghound

meanwhile dropping like 8 shots into the Tiger

should there be a TTK disparity? sure

it shouldn't be nearly this drastic

[solid hinge]

60 damage to stag, 10 damage to tiger

[midnight nimbus]

LAV was at a disadvantage to the MBT

[solid hinge]

🐯

[earnest wharf]

I can kill a Churchill just fine with my 38T though

[midnight nimbus]

but with smart play, the TTK disparity wasn't so drastic that you wouldn't even consider engaging an MBT with your LAV

[gray glade]

i dont even use light tanks atm, they are too fragile

even against infantry you cant take any risks

[delicate herald]

They’re so fun though when the risk pays off

[solid hinge]

imagine exchanging armour and firepower for speed

go drive a car

[earnest wharf]

Light tanks will get even weaker in next patch I suspect

[midnight nimbus]

worse than mediums vs infy
autocannons still suck vs infy, can't damage vehicles
armor is so weak, you instantly get shit on other vehicles

[solid hinge]

Please god no

[midnight nimbus]

💯💯💯

[idle breach]

honda civic is better tank than churchill

[tacit kelp]

RIP PZ 38t 😦 😦

[earnest wharf]

Not sure though

[midnight nimbus]

BFV vehicles cannot be redeemed

[solid hinge]

At least make autocannon damage vehicles again

[midnight nimbus]

something like the Tiger really shouldn't drop a light tank in 2 shots

ever

even with HEAT

[earnest wharf]

It is hard to balance multiple different tiers of vehicles when spawn system is all messed up

[gloomy kraken]

I have been pretty succesful with the autocannons vs infantry.

[midnight nimbus]

HEAT should be much more forgiving vs insta repair shit or whatever

[solid hinge]

every tank has to be worth every other tank

[midnight nimbus]

but shouldn't get you 2HKs

[solid hinge]

and it isnt

[midnight nimbus]

a Staghound should at least get a fighting chance vs a Tiger driver of a similar ability

fuck the realism shit

the disparities are way too massive

[idle breach]

no

[earnest wharf]

If p38 can kill a tiger even just at 70-80% of the speed the other way around, no one will use a tiger

[idle breach]

not the fighting chance but

getaway chance

[carmine coral]

I need a poo

[idle breach]

what poo?

[midnight nimbus]

> getaway chance

kek

insta disabled

[carmine coral]

All of them

[earnest wharf]

But I don't use heavy tanks anyway

[midnight nimbus]

can't rep when you're actively taking dmg

[earnest wharf]

They are slow as heck

[idle breach]

i can only make one kind of poo in a day

[midnight nimbus]

even the fast tanks are slow as shit

[earnest wharf]

They are not bad

[midnight nimbus]

I've never had an issue trying to hit a light tank trying to get away from me

[earnest wharf]

You can't expect them to be m1 Abrams

[carmine coral]

I once one shotted a Stuka with a liberator

[midnight nimbus]

it's a video game, the Staghound should've honestly been pushed much closer to its irl top speed

if it had that degree of mobility then maybe it'd be worthwhile

[earnest wharf]

Well funny thing cause some people say it is a video game so it should not be like real life

[midnight nimbus]

even medium vs heavy disparity is too much

[carmine coral]

It should be accurate

[earnest wharf]

Medium tanks win against heavy

[idle breach]

stag gun is pretty accurate wdym

[midnight nimbus]

shouldn't be any TTK disparity between them, heavy tank mobility should just be offset by its shells being much more forgiving of bad hits

[gray glade]

if there is no ttk disparity, why even use heavies?

[carmine coral]

Just use a shovel

[midnight nimbus]

> be offset by its shells being much more forgiving of bad hits

[main grove]

Is strafing in a plane even worth it

[pale ivy]

Why is BF1 so fucking chaotic

[midnight nimbus]

heavy should prolly be more resistant to anti infy shit too compared to medium

[main grove]

It just sounds like a good way to make infy know you exist

[midnight nimbus]

but huge tank v tank TTK disparity is garbage

[idle breach]

oh my god

there are so many hot medics in my area

help me

[main grove]

Like id rather stay covert as a plane

[queen canopy]

@main grove it’s very effective, but takes practice

[gray glade]

currently the only time i use heavies is on panzerstorm or like when i know im gonna face an enemy tank

[queen canopy]

Also some guns are better than others

[midnight nimbus]

plane v plane TTK disparity is pretty awful too, especially with how high the TTK is

you watch silk

and he's like

[main grove]

I can dogfight rather well but I’m not good at air to ground shit

[idle breach]

some guns are better than others

[midnight nimbus]

lol not gonna leave the airspace around my spawn

[main grove]

Like finding targets is where i struggle

[idle breach]

some guns are better than others
some guns mothers are better than other guns mothers

[midnight nimbus]

can't do anything with their two planes around their airspace

dogfighting, even with a good player vs a bad one, takes forever

[main grove]

Most people seem to be the opposite where they can destroy the ground but have no fucking clue on how to dogfight

[gray glade]

i dont think stitch is talking about guns anymore

😄

[midnight nimbus]

to the point where a top pilot doesn't even want to push two pilots he knows are worse than him

epic

[queen canopy]

as a frequent dogfighter, this is mostly false

[earnest wharf]

Well silk just wants to farm infantry

[main grove]

Well yeah I think that planes should die faster but respawn faster

[midnight nimbus]

well yeah, bc of how shit dogfighting is

not bc that's what he started out flying in BF to do

[main grove]

That way as a dedicated dogfighter you get more targets

[idle breach]

hee hee

[queen canopy]

cough

[main grove]

And it doesn’t take forever

To wait for the next guy

[idle breach]

dogfighting should give more points, to encourage people to dogfight

[earnest wharf]

And yes bfv dog fights are really not dynamic

[midnight nimbus]

watch BF3/4 or even 1 dogfighting

[idle breach]

especially in pacific where fighter/boombers are only planes

[midnight nimbus]

even with BFV plane movement aside

[idle breach]

boomer

[midnight nimbus]

it takes forever to kill

[queen canopy]

Nah V > 1 dogfighting

[idle breach]

bombers

[queen canopy]

Definitely

1 is soooo sluggish

[midnight nimbus]

and the TTK disparities are incredibly unreadable

[main grove]

I actually liked BF1 killing other planes

[idle breach]

bf1 planes were basically just a floating tank

[midnight nimbus]

yes, there are visual differences with your spec choices

[main grove]

Like the turn battles themselves were shit

[earnest wharf]

I only fly in the Pacific, so I dunno, ttk is alright

[main grove]

But gunning another plane down felt good

[midnight nimbus]

but they're not nearly apparent enough to make actual choices off of

[earnest wharf]

The Corsair sucks though

[idle breach]

yeah. it should. it's a corsair

[midnight nimbus]

BF1 dogfight-specced planes could actually turn

[queen canopy]

Pacific flying is bad

[earnest wharf]

The bullet convergence screws everything up

[midnight nimbus]

and kill each other reasonably fast

[idle breach]

you can't expect name a fighter plane after some group of pirates and be good

[queen canopy]

Like absolutely awful

The fighters behave like bombers

[idle breach]

seriously, corsair? wtf

they were not even the most feared pirates

[solid hinge]

I play basically only recon and playing non-recon feels uncomfortable for me. But I want to unlock the drilling. How can I still do this quickly and painlessly?

[queen canopy]

They were one of the most advanced though

[midnight nimbus]

vehicles were probably pushed the hardest in the muh realism department for the worse

[queen canopy]

And they were carrier based

[idle breach]

no i mean the actual corsairs

[earnest wharf]

But it is not that real to begin with

Tiger would one hit like all the British tanks before they even had a chance to engage

[idle breach]

tbh corsairs were kinda shit

I bet even buccaneers could beat the shit out of corsairs

[queen canopy]

Lol

[idle breach]

it's a shitty name

[midnight nimbus]

yeah

[earnest wharf]

Game is not real so it is what it is

[midnight nimbus]

it's not even fully realistic

and the realistic angles taken made it even worse

[earnest wharf]

?

[idle breach]

the atlantic pirates and asian pirates/wako were the top tier

corsairs were kinda meh

[midnight nimbus]

both the creative liberties taken and the realistic aspects used were for the worse @earnest wharf

[earnest wharf]

I seemed to have adapted to it, I don't find them that annoying

For tanks at least

[midnight nimbus]

huge disparities in vehicle design like irl to piss off the people who care about vehicle gameplay
disparities don't even necessarily align with realism, to piss off the realism crowd

[main grove]

Tank V tank is boring but face it it’ll never be very fun

[midnight nimbus]

tank v tank in BF3 was great

it was still solid in 4, but not as good

[gray glade]

werent tanks in bf3 op vs infantry? or am i misremembering

[earnest wharf]

All vehicles were

[midnight nimbus]

everything was OP

[earnest wharf]

Remember the planes with their rocket pods?

[idle breach]

yeah

[gray glade]

oh dear, i remember those planes going 120-0

[idle breach]

the valkyrie right

[earnest wharf]

The Cobra with their orbital cannons

[idle breach]

from terran

[gray glade]

and pilots acting like everything was all balanced

[midnight nimbus]

yet somehow managed to be more balanced than the BFV experience

tanks were insane, but at least engineers could carry like 9 rockets and 4 shot tanks

[earnest wharf]

Because there were less things and not really more balanced

[midnight nimbus]

which is exactly my point

there's no reason why the medium tanks have to be so different from each other

[earnest wharf]

It is more balanced in some aspects but not really for another

[midnight nimbus]

nor should the heavies be so different from each other

[gray glade]

i would love to see which vehicles are used the most

in bfv

like actual stats

[midnight nimbus]

asymmetric vehicles are shit when the game isn't built upon the premise of asymmetric modes

[main grove]

Prolly Ju-88 and Valentine

[earnest wharf]

Panzer IV and Valentine definitely

For tanks

They are the best overall tanks

[midnight nimbus]

well they've also been in the game the longest

[marble phoenix]

Valentine got the pyramid shaped turret?

[midnight nimbus]

compared to the pacific tanks

[main grove]

That’s valentine AA

[marble phoenix]

Nahh that’s the MK I’m thinking about

[main grove]

Which doesn’t exist by the way

[marble phoenix]

Oh damn

[earnest wharf]

Pacific is a whole separate thing

[main grove]

It’s a crusaders AA turret

On a valentine chassis

I wish Brits had the crusader tank

[marble phoenix]

throws dynamite on it

“Charges set”

[main grove]

Would be a neat mirror to the Panzer 38

[midnight nimbus]

at the very least, faction vehicles should've been close to 1:1 mirrors

[earnest wharf]

People keep asking for more tanks but I am just here wondering how they are going to balance them

Lol

[midnight nimbus]

hitbox sizes aren't different enough to matter

[idle breach]

totally unrelated historical fact of the day : during the 18th century southeast asia, there were pretty large group of pirates based on border region between vietnam-china(Qing). Qing navy were tried to wipe them out several time but failed.

The main solution of that pirate group was same-sex raping(male). They casually kidnap the local farmer/fisherman or whatever, the victim lost his virginity and the "social purity", his reputation forever tarnished and the only way ahead of him is the join the pirates.

[gray glade]

wtf

[main grove]

I don’t think balancing tanks is really that hard

[earnest wharf]

It is actually very hard

[midnight nimbus]

it's not, just do what BF4 did

[gray glade]

i honestly dont mind tanks as they are balanced now

[midnight nimbus]

and you're fine

[earnest wharf]

Because there are a ton of different opinions

Some thinks it needs to be balanced this way and some thinks it should not

[midnight nimbus]

Pz4 with the KwK40 being 1:1 with Valentine 6pdr

[earnest wharf]

Never going to please everyone

[main grove]

I’m not looking into BFV with a microscope so the main issue I see here is that AT is shit and that’s really it

[midnight nimbus]

and that would be pretty easy to work off of

[main grove]

Scratch that

[idle breach]

honestly I don't see how we can make the towables really viable

[main grove]

AT is BROKEN

[idle breach]

I just want more buildable stat weapons

[main grove]

Like in a bad way

[dense bone]

just getting into a tank shouldnt make 1.5 kdr players that average 20 kills go 40-3

[gray glade]

the pak40's are real nice atm

they do so much damage

[main grove]

AT guns don’t do enough damage to justify the risk

[idle breach]

is bfv at pak38 or pak40?

[main grove]

Like you shoot a tank do about 35 damage then die

[idle breach]

was 40 the 7,5 cm one?

[main grove]

Yeah I think

Imagine if they added PAK44

120-130mm I think

[idle breach]

EVERY pak needed to be added

[midnight nimbus]

faster dying tanks helps cull the shit drivers a lot faster too

[earnest wharf]

If playing vehicles only give you the same KD as an infanty there is no point having vehicles

[main grove]

Thing is IRL in the first years of the war 2 Pounder was the shit

It was the best early AT gun

[midnight nimbus]

having separate stats for infy vs vehicle would be nice

[idle breach]

my opinion is

[earnest wharf]

It would be

[gray glade]

real life pak40:
https://youtu.be/T7fhBm1ouSU?t=389

it was a fuckin monster lol

[idle breach]

tank should have some other duties other than just farming kills

[midnight nimbus]

but doesn't rly matter, since the point of combined arms = vehicles are king

[idle breach]

they should be forced to do other things

[earnest wharf]

What other duties?

[idle breach]

tanking

[midnight nimbus]

killing people is the main duty

[earnest wharf]

Like resupplying?

[idle breach]

no like

uh

[earnest wharf]

Lol

[idle breach]

maybe for heavy tank

[main grove]

Tanks should provide cover

Like physically

[idle breach]

tank just "being in a place"

[main grove]

From enemy bullets

[earnest wharf]

Tanks has always been mainly used for infantry support

[idle breach]

is a big difference

even without killing much infantry

[midnight nimbus]

tanks already provide cover

but it doesn't matter

the entire point is to kill infy

[main grove]

Thing is AT just needs to be stronger

[idle breach]

provide cover, supporting infantry by destroying cover

[midnight nimbus]

vehicles exist to do shit that infy cannot

[idle breach]

suppressing infantry

[gray glade]

i dont fully agree tbh

[earnest wharf]

Killing infantry is tanks' main job

[main grove]

Because I don’t Fucking like being farmed

[midnight nimbus]

who the fuck wants to sit there and just destroy cover

[idle breach]

yeah but

[midnight nimbus]

dunking on infy is the main job

[idle breach]

just gib some point to do this and that like

uh

soaking up bullets

and shells

[earnest wharf]

That is the case in war and is the case in the game lol

[midnight nimbus]

they already do those things very well

[gray glade]

so often i clean out areas with a tank in breakthrough by just bullying people off

[idle breach]

yeah but

[midnight nimbus]

it's the infantry's fault for choosing not to use the tank as cover

[idle breach]

okay this is personal but

[gray glade]

kill the assault and the rest will run

[main grove]

Surprise surprise the farmed want ways to fight back

[midnight nimbus]

yeah, AT should be good

because vehicles should be good at shitting on infy

as that's the entire point of combined arms

[main grove]

Infy should shit on vehicles if they want them gone tho

[midnight nimbus]

yes

[idle breach]

I think tankers who are willing to sacrifice his kill/tank for a crucial moment/point should be rewarded more

[earnest wharf]

Bf players already get way more AT than in real life but yes I do think they should have decent AT

[midnight nimbus]

just like BF used to be

[main grove]

AT in this game is all quantity and no quality

[midnight nimbus]

engineer carrying enough rockets to potentially kill 2+ tanks alone

[idle breach]

just like ptfo infantry get more point than just a guy sitting in a bush

[midnight nimbus]

2 RPGs in the back, and a tank is dead

[main grove]

Like yeah sure you get 3, 9 damage rockets

[midnight nimbus]

iirc, BF4 didn't have any rockets that did less than 20

[main grove]

You should get 3 30 damage rockets or something

[midnight nimbus]

and I'd still argue they were too weak

[earnest wharf]

Cause those tanks were fast, they could APS and flee

[midnight nimbus]

easy solution to that

[main grove]

Mobility kill

[midnight nimbus]

make smokescreen work exactly as it did in BF3/4

tank skirts = reactive armor

no APS is not an issue

[main grove]

Make it all downhill from the first shot for the tank

[midnight nimbus]

bc good tankers didn't prefer APS anyways

[earnest wharf]

I am just saying they are functionally a lot better than bfv tanks

[idle breach]

I sometimes see some tankwer with the infantry support spec panzer IV shooting flares and make the whole team push the sector don't get much point compared to a tank just shooting things in faraway hill

I don't like that

[earnest wharf]

That's why they can afford to take more damage as a balance

[midnight nimbus]

there's no reason as to why BFV tanks couldn't match BF3/4 in functionality

[main grove]

Yes there is

[midnight nimbus]

push mobility to a slightly unrealistic angle

[main grove]

TIGERS can’t go 60Mph

[midnight nimbus]

since WW2 tank top speed is similar to BF4 tank speed anyways

[idle breach]

honestly tankers doing proper infantry support are the best dudes

[main grove]

Tank top speed is fine anyway

[idle breach]

i am willing to give my virginity to them

[main grove]

It’s the acceleration that fucks you over

[midnight nimbus]

WW2 tanks had tank skirts and smoke

[earnest wharf]

Not all of them do

[midnight nimbus]

so you could match a couple BF3 CMs right there

at the minimum, all the BFV tanks already have smoke

[earnest wharf]

If there is only the p4 and Valentine yea we can make it work

[main grove]

The smoke is pretty bad tho

[hallow imp]

hey guys

[idle breach]

hey

[digital seal]

I hated APS in BF4... The reactive armor and smoke system in BF3 was amazing and they added too much into the mix during BF4

[hallow imp]

add me on origin LiquidMetalGear

[midnight nimbus]

the point of BF3/4 smokescreen wasn't actually obscuring vision

[main grove]

Like without smoke launcher the smoke is pretty shit

[idle breach]

okay

[earnest wharf]

It decreased damage or something? I forget

[midnight nimbus]

it eliminated incoming projectiles' ability to crit

[main grove]

Wow

[midnight nimbus]

so smoke actually resulted in better damage reduction anyways

compared to APS

[hallow imp]

bf4 has laggy ass servers

[main grove]

I did not know that

[digital seal]

it was a CM... the jav had to have a constant lock and the lock was broken by the smoke

[main grove]

That’s weird

It’s like tear gas in hardline double the damage you take

[midnight nimbus]

you had IR smoke and smokescreen

IR smoke breaks locks

[hallow imp]

the game is great but the latency gets u killed

and there is no cover like on bf5

[midnight nimbus]

smokescreen eliminates crits

smokescreen was the better pick

any could've easily fit in a WW2 setting

[main grove]

IR smoke sounds pretty poor tbh

[earnest wharf]

It could

[main grove]

Like aren’t lock ons already weak

[midnight nimbus]

it was, the only time you really wanted IR smoke was vs SOFLAMs

[earnest wharf]

I can imagine the plausibility of that kind of suggestion

[main grove]

Yeah but lunge mine tho

[midnight nimbus]

there's plenty of WW2 extra tank armor that could've matched BF3 reactive armor functionality

[main grove]

That’s gonna be a right laugh

[midnight nimbus]

reactive armor + smokescreen alone would've been fine in BFV

[main grove]

Meme gadgets are the best

[midnight nimbus]

not the insta repair button shit

[main grove]

Insta repair is so Fucking annoying

Especially on planes

[earnest wharf]

At the end of the day, it is all talk now, I doubt they can / will change that

[midnight nimbus]

yeah it makes vehicle v vehicle unnecessarily painful

[main grove]

Makes those 40 second dogfights last about 5 min

[midnight nimbus]

yeah BFV vehicle gameplay won't ever be good

but it very easily could've been

[earnest wharf]

It could

[main grove]

I mean they still have time to rebalance

To make it better

[midnight nimbus]

it might get better

but they'll never fix the underlying issues

[main grove]

Even if the foundations aren’t as good as BF4 BF4 has come and gone now

[midnight nimbus]

because the foundational mechanics are still shit

[earnest wharf]

They do but introducing brand new tank vs tank mechanics takes a ton of coding time and so on which that can't afford now

[main grove]

I barely played BF4 vehicles anyway and when I did I did not enjoy

Only vehicle I did good in was LAV

[midnight nimbus]

it's definitely harder to do really well with BF3/4 vehicles than V

there's a lot more separation between the decent and very good players

[main grove]

If the anti vehicle in BFV was better than it would make it go from a 3/10 to like at least a 6/10

[midnight nimbus]

and the players that actually suck at it don't survive long enough to rack up kills

[marsh birch]

anyone in bfv?

[earnest wharf]

Bfv tanks allow bad players to camp really far away so they don't get killed

There are also no effective long range AT

Good players can also exploit that but they can also do decently well aggressively

[midnight nimbus]

it's way easier to rack up kills playing aggressively in BFV than in 4 imo

[earnest wharf]

True

[midnight nimbus]

even with how punishing playing aggressively can be

[main grove]

Any case of vehicle V vehicle should be quick and decisive

[gray glade]

why

[earnest wharf]

So tanks can go can to farm infantry lol

[midnight nimbus]

https://www.reddit.com/r/BattlefieldV/comments/b0nl81/discussion_battlefield_vs_vehicles_planes_tanks/eifuwnm
as my good friend incarnate put it

[main grove]

Opposite in fact

I play vehicles for the sake of killing infy farmers

[midnight nimbus]

well the better tank who wins the tank fight can go farm infy faster

as he should

[main grove]

If you spec for AT you should fucking do some good AT at long range

[earnest wharf]

I agree

And you do

[midnight nimbus]

disagree

re: AT spec being super advantageous

see: BF4

[main grove]

Why not

[gray glade]

why do you want to tanks to be there for mainly infantry farming though

like what is the thing you're trying to achieve with that?

[midnight nimbus]

sabot shell is much better at range

[main grove]

You are sacrificing AP for the sake of AT

[midnight nimbus]

but an HE user isn't out of the fight

[main grove]

Not saying Anti personnel should be awful against other tanks

[midnight nimbus]

the damage disparity isn't so insane that is an instant lose for the HE user

[main grove]

But the advantage should be very noticeable

[earnest wharf]

AP is armor penetration

[midnight nimbus]

the HE user can still compete

nor should picking AT specs reduce your anti personnel abilities that much

[earnest wharf]

5.2 made HE much more useful against tanks compared to AP shells

[main grove]

If you spec to farm infantry then you should be at a disadvantage against people who are speccing to stop you

[midnight nimbus]

one dimensional BF vehicles have been shown to be shit time and time again

every vehicle should be farming infantry

that's their job

[earnest wharf]

That's why I didn't like stealth planes in BF4...

Lol

Felt so boring flying those

[midnight nimbus]

yeah bc it's boring as shit

[main grove]

But farming infy just fucking sucks for the Infy

[gray glade]

i have a feeling you want them to farm infantry because thats how you play

[main grove]

It ruins the game for them

[gray glade]

[midnight nimbus]

that's why AT should be strong

almost like

BF was fun when everyone was good at killing each other

[earnest wharf]

Now we just get hit markers for everyone

[main grove]

But you still want the best tank player in the world to still die against the best tank hunter in the world

[midnight nimbus]

you should be able to give up some anti infy ability to improve anti vehicle, but you should never be able to entirely give up one for the other

and this goes for vehicles and infy alike

you don't need huge disparities in TTK for the best tanker to die to the best anti tank

especially when you consider the top level

players don't like the feeling of an auto lose just because of their loadout choice vs an enemy's

bc it's entirely unreadable

nor do players like having to not engage at all just because a loadout disadvantage

[earnest wharf]

Yep

I think AT spec tanks should not be unbeatable by HE spec tanks

But of course if equal skills AT spec should beat HE spec

[midnight nimbus]

which kinda leads back to my entire point about how BF vehicle design has always been questionable, and BFV is the absolute worst example of it

[solid hinge]

lmao at braddock saying the reddit comment was good and that he'd take notes

that was ten months ago

[midnight nimbus]

no one likes being a medic and having a tank run up on them

[earnest wharf]

Medic is op though

Lol

Just not against tanks

[main grove]

Against infy yeah

[midnight nimbus]

no one likes being in a light tank and seeing a heavy roll up

[main grove]

I mean why do you even play BF

It does not sound like your game at all

[midnight nimbus]

every choice that BF makes to create these huge disparities between vehicles, between classes, etc. is aggravating for players

I like playing BF in either infy only or as a vehicle

I don't like how vehicles and infy interact at all

[main grove]

I mean

That’s just battlefield

[earnest wharf]

But at the same time, if everyone is just a jack of all trades class then there is no point to have classes

[midnight nimbus]

yeah

[main grove]

I said that do you even like battlefield

[midnight nimbus]

everyone should be a jack of all trades

you should be able to specialize

[solid hinge]

that's what gadgets are for

[main grove]

Like it sounds like you’d way prefer COD or something

[midnight nimbus]

and gain advantages in certain areas

I play both

and i enjoyed BF more for a long time

[dense bone]

isnt how a dev designs their game just preference?

its not a universal better to make "everyone jack of all trades"

[earnest wharf]

I think kht's view is certainly one but I can't say it reflects everyone's idea of a good design

[midnight nimbus]

doesn't invalidate the point that hyper specialized design has always created a ton of player frustration in BF

[dense bone]

people are fickle

and?

[midnight nimbus]

it's not a personal complaint, players have always complained that x is too good vs y, and it's entirely valid

[dense bone]

doesnt mean having x is too good vs y is objectively bad

[midnight nimbus]

and people have historically praised the games where specialization didn't mean you were super limited

[earnest wharf]

There will always be complains no matter what one do

[dense bone]

^

[midnight nimbus]

doesn't mean the complaints aren't worth a look

[earnest wharf]

Agree

[dense bone]

doesnt mean they are worth a look either though

[earnest wharf]

I am just saying games like csgo took ages to balance and they still have to balance from time to time

Look at bf

It is almost an impossible task

[dense bone]

if we are going off of "people say this so we should have a look" than type2a would be objectively overpowered and dice will nerf it

but we both know thats not the case

[midnight nimbus]

BF peaked in playerbase size, retention, and community sentiment with the least limiting design

[viscid crater]

errybody fickle

[midnight nimbus]

pretty objective point there

[viscid crater]

Overruled

[dense bone]

its a point, but that doesnt mean thats the end all...

[midnight nimbus]

people have always found running into unreadable scenarios frustrating, regardless of the game

[earnest wharf]

That can easily be explained by confounding factors like terrible pr, bugs, cheaters, team balance, lack of content

But I do see your point

[midnight nimbus]

see a spitfire behind you? hope he's not running 8x
see a BF109 in front of you? hope he's not running WFRs

[dense bone]

even ignoring other factors, its still not the end all

[midnight nimbus]

ofc it's not an end all

but it's very clearly a huge thing that's persisted throughout the franchise's history

[mossy sluice]

Chapter out yet or naw I cant wait

[dense bone]

the 6trh

[earnest wharf]

The best balanced game is when there are minimal things in the game

But people like to have tons of things

[gray saffron]

6 feb

[earnest wharf]

And when you add tons of things, it becomes difficult to balance

[midnight nimbus]

people like the illusion of having tons of things

[solid hinge]

I think that BFV honestly has tons of potential and I love playing the game

[viscid crater]

Which is why COD WAW was the best game ever

[midnight nimbus]

which you can very easily get away with

[viscid crater]

It was very simple

[dense bone]

let the creators make what they want, you just have to decide if what they made is to your liking..

[midnight nimbus]

most of the playerbase doesn't care that the Sten and MP40 are functionally the same gun

[solid hinge]

The BFV dice team just needs to take a look at what the BF2 Dice team did

[midnight nimbus]

they're just happy to have two guns

[mossy sluice]

Wake me up when it's Feb 6th

[midnight nimbus]

the BFV DICE team took a very good look at BF2

that's why the game is the way it is

[earnest wharf]

^ what I was going to say

They are basically the same game now

In terms of gun play

[midnight nimbus]

equally shitty gunplay, but for every different reasons

[solid hinge]

I play both games extensively and they are not very similar

[midnight nimbus]

getting dunked on by vehicles

[earnest wharf]

Same logic and design

[midnight nimbus]

can't have fun without cooperative teammates

[solid hinge]

Vehicles in BF2 are pretty weak actually

[midnight nimbus]

uhhhh

BF2 AH

lol

[mossy sluice]

Yall probably trash quit crying lol

[solid hinge]

Battlefront 2

[dense bone]

edge lord time

[midnight nimbus]

thought you were referring to Battlefield 2

which BFV really does resemble

[solid hinge]

Oh lol

[viscid crater]

I was confused too lol

[solid hinge]

I meant the Battlefront 2 team of dice and how they revived their game

[midnight nimbus]

SWBF2 at least compensates for shitty gameplay with great content, great memes, etc

gameplay is a complete hot mess

but at least it's got intense meme value

[solid hinge]

Yeah a good amount of stuff is broken but no one cares due to how fun the game is

[fierce radish]

Yea

[solid hinge]

Like Anakin and Palpatine are so broken

[fierce radish]

Except bf5 isn’t fun anymore

[solid hinge]

Palpatine is basicly looking at the direction of your enemy and pressing R2 and L2

I mean I started playing BFV on Janurary and I had to luxury of not feeling how pre 5.2 was

So I dont see any difference because I am only used to 5.2

I just have fun playing the game but some things are seriously broken in this game in terms of balance

[lime crypt]

Bruh I just played bf5 and my team got shit on. So I waited next game. Nothing changed we lost again. So I was like they gonna team balance after this game for sure. We got destroyed.

[viscid crater]

Sweet Summer Child

[lime crypt]

Team balance sucks

[solid hinge]

Yeah that's why I leave games where the first point is lost in 5 seconds

[viscid crater]

It doesn't matter if you get 60 kills a game and like 19k score, you will still lose if your team i shsit

[earnest wharf]

It doesn't exist

[solid hinge]

I dont stay for my team to get wrecked fuck that

[viscid crater]

In BF4 it was hard for an entire team to defend just one very good player

[solid hinge]

Yeah true lol

A.k.a these seat switching gods in Shanghai

Man that was rough

[lime crypt]

I got a question, did y’all hate the loot boxes in bf1?

[solid hinge]

That was really rough

[viscid crater]

You can switch teams on console

You can't on PC

[coral fiber]

Dunn lmfao

[solid hinge]

On BFV planes take so little skill

[fierce radish]

Marios basically image that battlefield wasn’t cod and guns had actual damage and recoil

[viscid crater]

Lol

you Like that pilot

[wise escarp]

Lmao

[lime crypt]

What??? Planes definitely need skills

[coral fiber]

Lol

[solid hinge]

Bombers?

[lime crypt]

If u wanna be good

[fierce radish]

Nope

[lime crypt]

Who tf uses bombers

[solid hinge]

Bombers in Fjell take no skill

Fighters take skill

[coral fiber]

Bombers are ass

[solid hinge]

But bombers dont

[lime crypt]

Fighters are hard

[wise escarp]

Indeed

[coral fiber]

Fighters gud

[fierce radish]

Pacific planes are ez mode

[lime crypt]

Also planes in the pacific are kinda op

[solid hinge]

When I say planes need no skill I should have had stated that bombers are broken and easy mode

[fierce radish]

kInDa

Lmao

[lime crypt]

U can solo destroy a tank if your good

[fierce radish]

Anyone can

[solid hinge]

You know no one uses AA tanks and bombers dont fight each other

[fierce radish]

It’s too easy

[solid hinge]

I am the only guy who uses AA tanks

[lime crypt]

Like a dog fight takes skill for sure I died so many time in bf1 and bf5

Finally I got the trick

[fierce radish]

Big gay

[lime crypt]

^

[fierce radish]

I have em maxed out

[viscid crater]

I can't even fly a plane

I can barely drive a tank

[fierce radish]

But there better for infantry than planes tho lol

[solid hinge]

But what I mean is compare geting a kill with a J dam in BF4 and compare geting multiple kills with the 8×50 in BFV

[viscid crater]

Tanks aren't as fluid as they were in BF4

not as polished

[fierce radish]

Yea they take more skill

[viscid crater]

They're hardly driveable

[fierce radish]

Bf4 tanks were invincible if u had a single repair guy

[wise escarp]

I really like the Penzer IV

[viscid crater]

AA gun with rockets haha

[coral fiber]

https://xboxclips.com/GETMEMEDONLOL/a0383095-3450-4e1d-9114-fb2842b8b531/embed

[fierce radish]

They are drivable

[coral fiber]

Yeet

[lime crypt]

Bruh bf1 ranks were so good lmao

[solid hinge]

The 8x50 is
Fly over a zone in break
Press a button
Kills
Reload
Profit
Repeat

[fierce radish]

If u know what your doing

[shy badger]

bfv tanks are also invincible if you have one repair guy

[lime crypt]

U could put 8 kids in it

[fierce radish]

Now they are

[shy badger]

Before they were too

[fierce radish]

Pre 5.2 they weren’t

No

[lime crypt]

True

[fierce radish]

Not if u were shooting right

[shy badger]

Nearly invincible*

[lime crypt]

They made them better

[viscid crater]

BFV tanks are by far more invincible

[fierce radish]

No they made it easier for noobs

[shy badger]

It wouldn't matter where you shot them, it would just regenerate hp faster than you can hurt them

[fierce radish]

U can just run away now

No

[shy badger]

Unless you get an ass shot

[lime crypt]

The problem is if u wanna have fun with a tank u need another person in it

[solid hinge]

BF4 tanks where harder to use unless you used guided shells or staff shells wich 90% of people did. BFV tanks are easier to get kills with.

[lime crypt]

With bf1 u didn’t or bf4

[fierce radish]

I could 2 shot Churchill’s and valentines in a panzer 4 if u know what ur doin

[earnest wharf]

I am perfectly fine by myself in a tank though

[fierce radish]

Now u can’t cuz there bullet sponges

[gray glade]

the reason tanks can take so much damage in this current BFV patch is probably because dice didn't like how people camp too much with them

[fierce radish]

Same

[lime crypt]

It’s more tactical

[fierce radish]

It’s just annoying

[lime crypt]

U gotta shoot from the back

[solid hinge]

In BFV most people camp in breathrough and baby sit their tanks

[fierce radish]

tAcTiCaL

Lmao

[barren star]

the auto-repair mechanic has just made the job easier for tankers tbh

[fierce radish]

U mean mag dumpy

[lime crypt]

Shoot them in the ass

[gray glade]

yeah, so dice tried doing something about people camping in tanks but ppl still camp

[solid hinge]

@barren star Yeah that's honeslty bs

[shy badger]

Shooting a tanker in the ass is hardly a viable option most of the time

[earnest wharf]

I prefer you can't repair inside but they need to remove animation

[fierce radish]

Even that doesn’t works sometimes due to the bs of the angling

[solid hinge]

The insta repair is bs

[lime crypt]

True

[shy badger]

You usually aim at the other weak parts

Unless you get a good flank

[viscid crater]

They need to remove animation on everything

[coral fiber]

Self repair should go

[barren star]

I mean having to get out of the tank was riskier as many would try to teal it

[viscid crater]

I want to get the f out of that tank lmao

[shy badger]

This is why I hate repair bitching in bfv, it's totally overpowered and dumbing the gameplay

[barren star]

Steal

[solid hinge]

I only have fun in the Tiger,the Japanese tank and Sherman

[fierce radish]

It’s just gone from turret rape to track rape

[solid hinge]

I even got the last tiger skin

[fierce radish]

Same

I got it the day it came out

[solid hinge]

they made it so you can push better but in a way that made camping even more effective

[fierce radish]

It’s fucking great

[solid hinge]

they did nothing to nerf camping

[coral fiber]

¿Que?

[earnest wharf]

That's what I said for 5.2

They just made tanks better at camping

[solid hinge]

then left it for 2 months

🙂

[fierce radish]

Yea they nerfed people like me who drove for tank kills and buffed infy farmers

[earnest wharf]

They need to make tanks not as effective as distance if that is their vision

They kind of did that with the Coaxial nerf

But not enough

[barren star]

And they nerfed the flieger because the plane mains were whining about it being too op

[fierce radish]

All of this just pisses me of cuz the 5 or so of us could do better than all of the dice vehicle developers

[viscid crater]

I think that they need to stop changing the crit spots on a tank

[fierce radish]

Dang

[midnight nimbus]

moving away from ammo pool was the first mistake

[dense bone]

@fierce radish apply

[viscid crater]

Stop turning it into a fucking science/math problem just to get proper trajectory

[solid hinge]

@viscid crater you should probably change your name

Tanks should be slow heavy and hard to kill but they shouldn't be press a button at range and get a kill machines.

[shy badger]

proper trajectory?

What's wrong with it now?

[viscid crater]

@solid hinge oh haha I keep forgetting I changed it briefly

[fierce radish]

Lmao I should @dense bone but I’m not in Europe or of legal age

[solid hinge]

Is there any point in using then Panzerfaust over the Piat?

[earnest wharf]

Bf4 system is not working without fault though. Attacking multiple targets is not possible because you run out of ammo

[midnight nimbus]

yeah that's fine

[dense bone]

welp do it asap

dont talk about it

[midnight nimbus]

gotta pick your fights better

[dense bone]

get that easy money

[midnight nimbus]

that's what made the shitties fail

and the better players shine

[solid hinge]

I mean geting ammo is much easier in BFV

Geting Ammo in BF4 was suffering

[fierce radish]

Yea

[hybrid dock]

very true

[earnest wharf]

It is just a different kind of style

[solid hinge]

Unless you had a commander who dropped you a crate

[midnight nimbus]

and it really encouraged tanks to play more aggressively since you had to use your MG to frag infy effectively

[barren star]

Begging the support to give you a pouch

[midnight nimbus]

can't just yolo lob shells and get a reasonable amount of kills

[solid hinge]

Yes exactly

[strong parrot]

Thinking 2 months is enough time to enact changes

[solid hinge]

It was much better but tanks were so easily killed by the attack jet

[earnest wharf]

I think bf4 one hit kill radius is the same as regular he shells in bf5

[solid hinge]

The attack jet was the best thing in BF4

[midnight nimbus]

BFV explosive radius is best in the franchise iirc

[solid hinge]

The Active radar and passive radar were pretty much the only way to kill then

[midnight nimbus]

as far as OHK goes at the very least

[earnest wharf]

With the howitzer and so on yes

[midnight nimbus]

nah

[solid hinge]

The active radar was so broken

[earnest wharf]

With regular he no

[midnight nimbus]

even comparing Mk8 HE to BF4 MBT HE

[solid hinge]

And the Passive radar has been glitched since release

[earnest wharf]

I think all are around 1.3-1.5m

[gray glade]

is it just me, do planes sound louder when traveling away from you than when they are approaching you in BFV?

[shy badger]

Yea the limited range AT rockets have totally encouraged tank camping

[midnight nimbus]

Mk8 HE vs BF4 HE isn't a massive difference

but BFV's is better

not to mention much better velocities for BFV

[solid hinge]

BF4 tanks reload slower and have less ammo and are more vulnerable to aircraft and infantry

[earnest wharf]

By less than 20cm

[shy badger]

Glad they're adding the bazooka, hopefully it'll actually be good

[solid hinge]

Due to auto lock launchers

@solid hinge Yeah I tried using the Zunis because of how easy all rockets are

[midnight nimbus]

in actual area difference, it's very significant

[solid hinge]

I one killed the pilot of an attack jet with the Zunis and stole his jet

[midnight nimbus]

1.3m radius -> 1.5m is a 33% increase

[earnest wharf]

I don't remember the exact difference

I don't think it is that much

[midnight nimbus]

and the difference is bigger than that

[dense bone]

?

[fierce radish]

Lmao just checked my stats and my top thing is tanker

[dense bone]

wouldnt a 33% increase from 1.3 be 1.8ish

[midnight nimbus]

no

bc you're comparing area

1.5m radius circle is ~33% larger than a 1.3m radius circle

[solid hinge]

Also gold guns need to be PVP only unless it's a hard assignment

[midnight nimbus]

BFH didn't limit turn radius

[earnest wharf]

Actually I think maybe 1.5vs 1.6m but don't quote me on it

[midnight nimbus]

that's just your controller

[strong parrot]

https://www.reddit.com/r/BattlefieldV/comments/ew2n8w/situational_awareness_on_consoles/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share no wonder Bodie is so good

[dense bone]

LOL

[solid hinge]

I suffered to get my golden STG 44 and then someone told me that you can just simply get it in combined arms

[queen canopy]

I saw that post lol

[fierce radish]

Yup

[queen canopy]

Wish I came across enemies like that more often

[fierce radish]

The assignment system is fucked

[coral fiber]

Hmmm?

What about bodie?

[dense bone]

bodie talks up his stats a lot, but hes on console

[coral fiber]

Oh

[solid hinge]

Also why are there no Golden sidearms?

[fierce radish]

Dice big dumb

[dense bone]

considering a majority of console players play 10 feet from a tv and have speaker sound that gives no directional queues

[coral fiber]

Lol

[dense bone]

you can pull shit off like the video posted

[solid hinge]

I am a console player and that's honeslty rare

[shy badger]

Those stats are impressive nevertheless

I wouldn't take it from him just because he plays on console

[fierce radish]

I play Xbox and it’s 50/50 depending on the day

[coral fiber]

Imagine not wearing headphones

[fierce radish]

Lol

[solid hinge]

Yeah lol

[queen canopy]

^

[fierce radish]

Pilot

U on rn

[solid hinge]

Who plays without headphones?

[fierce radish]

I’m bored

[strong parrot]

Bodie has to wear those wrist straps to prevent the sweat from getting on his controller

[coral fiber]

No lol

[fierce radish]

Dang

I’m just sitting on the home screen rn

[dense bone]

spm difference between the 3 platforms is telling too

[solid hinge]

Even if my headphones were to stop working I still have some phone headphones i can use.

[fierce radish]

And I get out of school before all my friends

Same

[dense bone]

https://discordapp.com/channels/140933721929940992/177094649473794049/672187890272305183

[strong parrot]

Just stay in school

[fierce radish]

Dang

Never thought about that

[midnight nimbus]

what's the difference in average SPM? like <10%?

[fierce radish]

Going back to school see ya guys later

[midnight nimbus]

hardly significant

[dense bone]

thats only at the average

[midnight nimbus]

upper percentiles aren't significant either

[dense bone]

highest spm of all 3 has the lowest top %

that says something

[midnight nimbus]

gotta pass those 95% CIs mang

[queen canopy]

I mean

Aiming is easiest on PC

So

[coral fiber]

I have 385 spm

[queen canopy]

I’m not really surprised

[strong parrot]

It's the superior platform for the hand

[dense bone]

well now that console has AA

[queen canopy]

Ok yeah true

[dense bone]

aim assist

[coral fiber]

^

[midnight nimbus]

doubt it's been around long enough to significantly impact stats

[queen canopy]

Damn I hate that they added that

[midnight nimbus]

better players still come out on top with AA

[queen canopy]

^

[dense bone]

well they had a form of AA pre snap being added right?

[coral fiber]

I really REALLY hate that shit
I learned how to aim only to DICE to add AA

[midnight nimbus]

don't see how that would change stat distribution

[dense bone]

it wont

[queen canopy]

And it was a secret add too

They never mentioned it

[dense bone]

AA was only brought up because someone said "pc superior for hand"

[queen canopy]

5.2

[dense bone]

keep up

of course

but people are now mad that they added snap

which idk if that was in before or not

(most console games have snap afaik)

[coral fiber]

Auto snap was implemented in 5.2

I had aim assist completely off before that

[queen canopy]

It wasn’t really there before

[dense bone]

ahh, i havent played console since ps3

[queen canopy]

It was an option but I had it off

[coral fiber]

Now that auto snap is in
It fucked up my aim completely

[strong parrot]

Now you can think you are better than you are

[dense bone]

most games have some degrees of snap/stick/deviation

for console

at most some pc games have deviation, but thats on something like destiny 2

[queen canopy]

But now it’s forced when it wasn’t originally which is annoying

[midnight nimbus]

destiny 2 aim assist for controller on pc

insane lol tier

[queen canopy]

And also they won’t acknowledge that it’s a thing

[dense bone]

yea i heard that but never tried

destiny 2 pvp is a joke anyway

[midnight nimbus]

apparently it's as insane as BO3 PC with a controller

[dense bone]

not using AA on console when its a toggle is just asking to be at a disadvantage

"hey game, i dont want soft hacks, thanks"

[queen canopy]

Some people like a challenge, I guess

[earnest wharf]

Glad that I am not on console but we have to deal with cheaters

[queen canopy]

^

[dense bone]

im NA west, i hardly see cheaters

[earnest wharf]

Official cheat vs unofficial cheat

Can't win

[fierce radish]

Yup

[coral fiber]

Aim assist sucks overall

[dense bone]

if i did, they suck to where i outpeformed them

[fierce radish]

Dice just wants to make the experience shitty for everyone

[dense bone]

?

AA is standard for consoles

stop being dramatic

[gray saffron]

yes. dice wants to purposely ruin the game they're supposed to work for atleast a year on. /s

[fierce radish]

But when the game came out they said it wouldn’t be in

[dense bone]

if they did, they changed their mind

[shy badger]

A lot of things changed since then

[fierce radish]

They went back on a promise for cristmas noobs

[earnest wharf]

But more noobs > pros for them

[fierce radish]

That’s true

[queen canopy]

There are people, and a lot of them, who don’t need to have their hand held

[dense bone]

adding AA does not mean making a shitty experience

[queen canopy]

And don’t want their hand held

[fierce radish]

Have u experienced it

[dense bone]

i have played console games before yes

[fierce radish]

It’s so strong I lock on to other people when I shooting at someone else

[dense bone]

dont come out like youre some sweet 360 no scope pro that doesnt need AA

thats not snap

thats stick

which was always there

[fierce radish]

I’ve done fine without it

[dense bone]

you dont even know the difference

[queen canopy]

It definitely is stick

[fierce radish]

Coming from the one who isn’t on console

oKaY

[dense bone]

i dont have to play on console to know the difference

[gray saffron]

they said they wouldn't do the blanket change experiment again. which was adding 1 or 2 bullets to every gun on every range regardless stats. they didn't that with 5.2. 5.2 ttk is still fairly similar to 5.0 when you fire in the the effective ranges. it's only when you go outside it that it will feel different. plus they've been tweaking ttk for guns all over the year already. just not in huge batches like ttk 2.0 or 5.2

[queen canopy]

I’ve had my aim yoinked way to one side on more than one occasion lmao

[solid hinge]

HELLO

[fierce radish]

Yup

[dense bone]

what you described is stick, thats always been in bfv

they only added snap in 5.2

[solid hinge]

Ok but dry water is kinda good ngl

[queen canopy]

Which no one asked for

[dense bone]

you dont have to ask for it to get it

its like creators can make the game they want

[queen canopy]

And dice clearly didn’t want anyone to know it was added

[fierce radish]

Lmao

U one of those people

[queen canopy]

Because to my haven’t mentioned it and refuse to respond to anything about it

[dense bone]

a logical person jed?

[queen canopy]

DICE haven’t*

[fierce radish]

No