battlefield-legacy-titles

[earnest wharf]

I honestly don't find the 2A difficult to control at 30+ m

[solid hinge]

@prime pine what about semi autos?

[prime pine]

Pfft semi? Just use the Turner

[frank apex]

can you shoot a frag grenade rifle frag in the air though?

[dense bone]

mab has ttk advatnage at 30m, and it has less hrec

[icy sluice]

@frank apex I think so?

@boreal sorrel Here's some use you can get out of it

[dense bone]

assuming equal skill the mab should beat the type2a

[prime pine]

I've tried to use the Semis and they all feel like crap

The Turner SMLE just feels the least shittiest

[solid hinge]

Guns w not specular recoil are more accurate but harder to use

[shy badger]

The m1g is decent

[prime pine]

I've used quick aim, Big mag and lightened stock to fully abuse it. But because i hate myself i'm currently trying to get my Garand to 5 K

[earnest wharf]

It should but I feel that I do better with the 2A than the mab at 30 ish meters

[dense bone]

i have no idea what the sentence is supposed to mean

[prime pine]

Hewwo Blackout

[shy badger]

hey there bods

[quasi aspen]

Garand rn🤢🤢🤢

[icy sluice]

I like using the M1 Garand with the Bayonet

[frank apex]

garand is best semi auto rn for me

[pastel grove]

Grenade launcher Garand is best

[prime pine]

Honestly i really did enjoy using the garand with out heavy load, It wasn't bad at its job.

[dense bone]

@earnest wharf idc care about feel, the stats are the stats...

[solid hinge]

Nevermind the type 2a is shitty gun they should buff it

[icy sluice]

2k rpm

[solid hinge]

@solid hinge no

[boreal sorrel]

@icy sluice nice. Lol i like the file name. Me and my friends used to call Austrian soldiers cockroaches in bf1 cause we would always find just Austrians in attics.

[dense bone]

see thats where you get stupid

[solid hinge]

The mab needs a nerf

[dense bone]

no one said its shitty

stop throwing a fit

[prime pine]

But now i dunno what i really like to run on it cause i switch between heavy load which gives it the former SMLE damage model with <100 less RPM.

[icy sluice]

@boreal sorrel lol

[earnest wharf]

Exactly what I meant earlier, stats don't always make sense when you put it to real world usage

[shy badger]

Are you still using the m1922 bodie?

[earnest wharf]

And even if there are 5x hrec , doesn't matter if they are both negligible

[sleek tartan]

It's a very common mistake to take what you percieve as an objective reality, as one. You are not objective.

[solid hinge]

It needs a Nerf instead since it is overused

[boreal sorrel]

@icy sluice you blow up a roof 12 guys would run out and shoot off in different directions

[sleek tartan]

By definition

[icy sluice]

s t a t i s t i c a l l y

[prime pine]

What made heavy garand different from the other semis is that it had infinite 2 tap range, Which differentiated itself from the other heavy semis

Sorta yeah

[dense bone]

2a is the best smg under 20m, suomi technically matches it and is better at further range too

[prime pine]

Blackout

I use it on Underground

[earnest wharf]

People fall into a trap sometimes when it comes to statistics

[prime pine]

That's really the only map that works for it

Sadly

[dense bone]

people fall into traps of "feelings"

[icy sluice]

I wish more Medic Weapons had bayonets :p

[prime pine]

There are good spots i go to and keep flanks covered.

[solid hinge]

That is why everyone uses the type2a cuz they want to let u see how good they are not using the suomi

[prime pine]

Raptor i'm fucking sad that the type 100 doesn't get a bayonet

[shy badger]

Yea underground usually suits the mmg playstyle

[dense bone]

again, using a popularity situation doesnt mean shit

[prime pine]

I know of good MMG spots

[shy badger]

Damn it, I really want 16 vs 16 underground

[solid hinge]

Now everything makes sense

What about the EMP and MP34?

[shy badger]

I hate 64p underground

[dense bone]

do yo think cardi b is the best musician?

[earnest wharf]

People over estimate statistics when some are not statistically significant

[prime pine]

On the german side just lay on top of the trams

[sleek tartan]

As I said before everyone uses the Type2A because they have no criteria

xD

[solid hinge]

I dont even know who is cardi b

[dense bone]

cardi is insanely popular, she has to be one of the best musicians

[icy sluice]

I still use the Lewis after 5.2.2 :p

[dense bone]

popularity doesnt not speak about quality

cod consistently best selling game, cod is far from the best game

[queen canopy]

Oh boy, are you two arguing again?

[shy badger]

Lewis is really good, but the BTK is a joke

[prime pine]

It really is a joke

[sleek tartan]

@queen canopy no, and shut the fuck up

[dense bone]

i cant help when someone says stupid shit

[shy badger]

https://gfycat.com/shockedscholarlyblackpanther

[solid hinge]

Are u really comparing music tastes to game balance? @dense bone

[queen canopy]

Damn bro ok

[icy sluice]

So good

[solid hinge]

I love the Lewis tbh

[dense bone]

you are using popularity as measurement

[icy sluice]

We can keep things a little more civil, no need to say "Shut the fuck up" like that

[shy badger]

I love how our clips are literally the opposite

[dense bone]

that hardly ever works

[prime pine]

I've had good games with it but the BTK is just laughable

[sleek tartan]

I'll try

[queen canopy]

I literally just say one thing and get told to STFU

[prime pine]

For what it's supposed to work as, As an anchor gun.

[queen canopy]

Smh this community

[earnest wharf]

When you say lipitor decease heart attack rate by 30+%, they don't actually do but that's what the statistics says

[dense bone]

theres more stupid people in the world, and more average players at a game too, what they tend to use doesnt mean its the best...

[solid hinge]

I think that is dumbest ex. U could make

[dense bone]

says the dude saying popularity means its op...

when no one used the suomi before 2a even though they are virtually the same..

[solid hinge]

It is a game ppl use what they think is the best

[pale anvil]

is origin fucked up

cant connect

[dense bone]

what they THINK is normally wrong

like this situation

[solid hinge]

They dont pick the gun cuz they like the sound

[dense bone]

...

i know people that do

[earnest wharf]

You gotta know what the statistics actually mean and how significant they are in actual practice

[solid hinge]

0.5% of the playerbase

[icy sluice]

I hope I don't have to mute or ban anyone today

[pastel grove]

[pale anvil]

guys does anyone else have problems with origin

[sleek tartan]

@earnest wharf yeah, and how other than with statistics do you actually tell apart which are relevant from those who aren't?

[pale anvil]

or just mine acting up

[sleek tartan]

@pale anvil no

[icy sluice]

Player Skill is also a factor

[pale anvil]

just costant loading screen when i click up bfv

[dense bone]

i mean yea player skill matters

doesnt negate the weapon stats

[sleek tartan]

^

[dense bone]

and nothing about a bunch of players using a gun means its op

[earnest wharf]

I am not telling you not to look at the statistics, I am saying a lot of it can be misleading and the actual difference is magnified or diminished out of proportion

[sleek tartan]

There's a maximum potential for each weapon. Player skill let's the user achieve the maximum or not, but it doesn't change it's performance.

[solid hinge]

I stopped using the type2a after i got it gold cuz it was so strong and easy to use that was boring

[stoic breach]

Hey azura

[earnest wharf]

Sup

[stoic breach]

Not much

I'm about to sleep

Cya guys

[dense bone]

its strong under 20m, congrats you used its effective range

[sleek tartan]

@earnest wharf why don't you try to explain what is different from the Type 2A to the Suomi to to justify what you say?

[icy sluice]

Gonna have coffee and get on either Baitfield or GTA :p

[solid hinge]

I could kill ppl beyond 20m w no effort

[dense bone]

you mean other 2a users?

[solid hinge]

No

Lmgs

[earnest wharf]

You know what, if you want to win this argument, go ahead. I don't need to prove myself

[solid hinge]

Assualt rifles

[earnest wharf]

I am done with this topic

[dense bone]

if you get the drop on them sure you can still win

[solid hinge]

Other smgs

[icy sluice]

I've just been using the Model 8 and RSC most of the time :p

[dense bone]

or if they suck

or they were reloading

theres a ton of factors...

[midnight nimbus]

you don't need equal usage stats for each gun for balance

[solid hinge]

No other smg is so dominant at cqc and effective at those ranges

[midnight nimbus]

balance by popularity will always be shit

[dense bone]

suomi...

[prime pine]

RSC is alright

[sleek tartan]

wtf. I don't care about winning arguments. I'm just saying what I think. You tell me a weapon is OP, I'm saying it is not because there's literally another one which is better in every sense. That's all. And you can't seem to give me reasons to justify your statements.

[solid hinge]

Suomi is not so strong at medium ranges

[sleek tartan]

If you want to avoid giving them by saying that I can win and that you don't care okay

[dense bone]

have you been ignoring the 3 people showing you that suomi is that effective and good up to 25m

[sleek tartan]

but I've done nothing

[icy sluice]

I don't think anyone really cares about winning arguments here

[dense bone]

SUOMI IS STRONGER THAN 2A AT RANGE

[midnight nimbus]

Suomi isn't strong at midrange at all, but it's still better than the T2A

[dense bone]

my lord this guy

[solid hinge]

[earnest wharf]

Never did I say suomi is worse than the t2a

[dense bone]

no one said you said that

i havent been responding to you at all honestly

im talking to id sparta

[icy sluice]

I think you need to take a breather if you're getting a bit heated over a Discord conversation, just my two cents

[solid hinge]

I am litterally mastering the suomi rn

And it way worse than the type 2a at range

[dense bone]

lol no

you can personally be worse with it somehow

[icy sluice]

Take a breath mint, sit back, turn a fan on

[dense bone]

but its not worse at range

[tacit kelp]

@earnest wharf Do you know damage of lunge mine??

[earnest wharf]

I am guessing 50 to medium tank

[icy sluice]

iirc it's like 60 to a Sherman

[sleek tartan]

@midnight nimbus does the Type 2A have less recoil or something that can justify it being "much better" than the Suomi?

I honestly don't know

[icy sluice]

or 80... there was a demonstration video that I can track down

[dense bone]

2a has less vrec, but more hrec

[tacit kelp]

yes i think it was 50 , but tank wasnt full hp

[dense bone]

hes probably thinking less up kick means its easier

even though pulling straight down to control vrec is extremely easy

[marble phoenix]

Looking forward to Lunge mine and Bazooka

[sleek tartan]

I find vertical recoil much easier to control than horizontal recoil. And I believe that's a trend I share with most players.

But that's subjective for sure

[dense torrent]

So any idea when the next chapter drops? Next week maybe?

[earnest wharf]

The previous video was not accurate, the number had been changed, you also can't base it on the trailer and the tank has 50 hp

[solid hinge]

Fun fact type2a will get nerfed and suomi no

[dense bone]

its not subjective, you can predict vrec, it goes up, you cant control hrec its random

[solid hinge]

@dense torrent February 6th

[dense bone]

high vrec, pull down more

[dense torrent]

Is that confirmed or a prediction?

[dense bone]

high hrec, pray to rng gods

[tacit kelp]

confirmed

[marble phoenix]

It’s a confirmed date

[earnest wharf]

Is what confirmed?

[solid hinge]

Confirmed

[marble phoenix]

Peep the new trailer

[dense torrent]

Oh ok, thanks.

[tacit kelp]

date 😄

[sleek tartan]

There's horizontal recoil that only pulls to one side, and is not random. Therefore, bye argument you just did @dense bone

[pastel grove]

Is there a countdown to the chapter like with the countdown to Chapter 5?

[solid hinge]

Idk

[dense bone]

theres hrec that favors one side

rng can still fuck you over

[gray totem]

next thursday

[solid hinge]

H recoil is uncontrollable while v recoil is easy to controll @sleek tartan

[gray totem]

thats when chapter 6 comes out

[sleek tartan]

@solid hinge you are not helping your argument xDç

[dense bone]

^

[solid hinge]

Type 2a will get nerfed lmao

Suomi wont

[dense bone]

if it does people should use the suomi since they are basically the same

[solid hinge]

Is there even an argument lol

[dense bone]

but people wont because they are stupid

[sleek tartan]

does that mean anything though?

[earnest wharf]

They are redoing all the guns so they are all getting changed

[strong parrot]

Poor raptor

[dense bone]

it means the casuals made dice change something again without knowing wtf they were talking about

[prime pine]

I've just been using light bolt suomi because it's the only thing i actually like

For subbies

[sleek tartan]

I honestly really don't care. I haven't even unlocked the new weapons.

[balmy condor]

I've been recently trying to get back into the M1 garand

[stoic breach]

Casual shaming in a game made for casuals

[sleek tartan]

I feel like no matter what the balance is, people will use what they like/fit them most

[dense bone]

be a casual idc

[marble phoenix]

Still no hardcore mode

[sleek tartan]

we will always have some weapon to complain about

[dense bone]

but dont cry about balance when you are a casual that doesnt even know what hrec is

[strong parrot]

Why would you pick the garand

[balmy condor]

I seriously am regretting it

[strong parrot]

Good

You fool

[sleek tartan]

@dense bone not sure if that was for me, but ok xd

[dense bone]

average players shouldnt talk balance when they cant even perform above average in said game

not you at all

youre a good player

[icy sluice]

@earnest wharf Sorry for the late response but the Lunge Mine does 75 damage to a Sherman to the Engine

[pastel grove]

Holy shit

[earnest wharf]

That's what the previous video showed but it is a temporary number

[pastel grove]

I can't fucking wait for that delicious lungemine

[marble phoenix]

Shit 75?!

[earnest wharf]

No

[sleek tartan]

that's a lot of damage xd

[marble phoenix]

No self damage infliction?

[strong parrot]

Inb4 it won't do that much in game

[icy sluice]

And we haven't exactly seen another video with it in action

[sleek tartan]

no you just bounce off

[icy sluice]

Except for the trailer

[marble phoenix]

Oh wow

[pastel grove]

inb4 someone lungemines a plane

[icy sluice]

But he destroys it so you can't exactly see how much damage it does

[marble phoenix]

Yea the trailer misleading

[balmy condor]

One shot

[earnest wharf]

It is also pure blast damage so it doesn't matter where you hit the tank

[solid hinge]

Tbh I complain cuz there is almost no weapon variety

[dense bone]

my wish is that boombroom one hit kills tanks, but also kills the user

[icy sluice]

It was shown in the Chapter 6 trailer

[marble phoenix]

Cause it ain’t even a point in using RPGs if lungemjne blow up in one

[icy sluice]

When using the Lunge Mine, you lose like 50 health and fall over

[balmy condor]

@dense bone A soul for a soul

[strong parrot]

Like the m2 in chapter 4

[dense bone]

a noble sacrifice

[earnest wharf]

I don't think it will be 75 damage

[marble phoenix]

Kamikaze

[dense bone]

^

the stick is only 5 feet long

[balmy condor]

Kamikaze plunger

[dense bone]

kill the user and the tank

[sleek tartan]

tbh I'm sad people complain about weapon balance, I mean yeah it's important. But for me, the game has been flawed in many more relevant aspects.
From the removal of gamemodes, to failing to deliver promised gameplay features, to the general state of the game.

[pastel grove]

@balmy condor A small price to pay for Vehicle Destroyed

[icy sluice]

In the Chapter 6 trailer it showed 50 damage but the vehicle was at 50 so...

[midnight nimbus]

@sleek tartan yeh, you don't need good weapon balance for a fun game at all

look at BF3

meme tier shit balance

[earnest wharf]

We will know next week but I am pretty sure it will not be 75

[balmy condor]

@pastel grove That does put a smile on my face

[marble phoenix]

Still need a “Vehicle Destroyed” stat

[midnight nimbus]

amazing game

[tacit kelp]

FOr sure it will be OP 😄

[pastel grove]

Will lungemine actually work on infantry?

[solid hinge]

@sleek tartan there are a lot of guns that are litterally useless since the last ttk change

[balmy condor]

V1 Plunger

[earnest wharf]

Not sure about on infantry

[midnight nimbus]

@earnest wharf lunge mine doesn't have a spherical blast, so it's pretty wonky

[tacit kelp]

In patch 6.4 they will nerf it to the ground 😄

[midnight nimbus]

kinda like AP mine

[sleek tartan]

people don't even know what balance is nowadays, they expect all weapons to perform the same. There's like no room for them for tiers of weapons or anything else, and like that most of the times what you end up is boring as fuck

[earnest wharf]

It has a directional blast

[midnight nimbus]

yeh

[icy sluice]

Lunge Mine is a Chapter Reward and a pretty early one as well

[pastel grove]

Surprisingly yeah

Isn't it only like

[icy sluice]

5

[pastel grove]

Level 5?

[midnight nimbus]

you have have perfect balance without any tiers

perfectly doable

[icy sluice]

It's Rank 5

[earnest wharf]

But it is still blast damage and it won't matter where you hit the tank, will deal the same damage

[midnight nimbus]

but wep balance will never save your game

[pastel grove]

Shit, that's really early

[tacit kelp]

@marble phoenix why they dont add this?|?? it was in BF1

[midnight nimbus]

if the game sucks with bad wep balance, it'll likely suck with good wep balance

[pastel grove]

If you do all challenges for week 1 and grind for a couple hours, lungemine should be unlocked really quick

[marble phoenix]

@tacit kelp I need that one. Cause I know I’m up there lol

[tacit kelp]

@marble phoenix how many??

[sleek tartan]

Maybe one day we'll have a good BF again @midnight nimbus

[tacit kelp]

😄

[earnest wharf]

I suspect the introduction of lunge mines is just going to drive tankers to sit back, further contributing to the campy play style

[tacit kelp]

@earnest wharf good prediction

[marble phoenix]

@tacit kelp

Lmaoo

[prime pine]

Oh Azura, I had a weird idea you might like

You know how you mentioned that players need to be rewarded more for destroying vehicles

[earnest wharf]

Yea?

Yea

[balmy condor]

[icy sluice]

I don't exactly see much of an area to sit back on Solomon Islands

[pastel grove]

I'd laugh my ass off if the lungemine could detonate even if you miss

[prime pine]

I remembered how you mentioned how vehicles have 1000 health but take different amounts of damage due to inherit multipliers

[pastel grove]

Imagine running into a wall and almost fucking dying

[marble phoenix]

I mean it’s a mine.

[prime pine]

So lets say i shoot a tank in its engine, I basically get rewarded 500 points

[earnest wharf]

Yep, they have 1k hp

[marble phoenix]

Any amount of pressure probably will make it explode

[tacit kelp]

@marble phoenix I have above 20000 vehicles destroyed

[prime pine]

Cause that's technically how much damage i'm dealing

[pastel grove]

Yeah but in-game, it functions more like a bayonet

[prime pine]

Destroying a vehicle an easy 1000 points -

[earnest wharf]

I was told that they played around with the idea of rewarding actual hp loss as points to players

[balmy condor]

Imagine if enemy soldiers could shoot it out of your arms when ur charging with it

[marble phoenix]

@tacit kelp I couldn’t even guess the number Of destroyed I have. Granted I don’t use tanks at all

[woeful needle]

What are we talking about

[earnest wharf]

But didn't implement it

[prime pine]

They could sorta half it or reward more based on hits. If i hit the engine 250 points, the side 100 points

Does that make sense

[balmy condor]

Several people are typing

[earnest wharf]

They will be way too many points

That

[pastel grove]

We can finally reeenact that scene from the trailer where the marine with a katana kills that IJA lungemine soldier

[tacit kelp]

@marble phoenix you can see it in profile in BFV

[prime pine]

Cause you know how you get points based off disables

Yeah its a funny thing like that...

[marble phoenix]

@tacit kelp what the 250/250 vehicle destroyed medal? Lol

[earnest wharf]

Perhaps disables and vehicle destroyed can reward 2-3x the points

But just my idea

[prime pine]

Yeah

[icy sluice]

I'd love to get a multi-kill with the Lunge Mine on infantry

[prime pine]

No that's a great one, Double the points from vehicle destroyed and disables.

[tacit kelp]

@marble phoenix I dont know, havent look at it and I dont have BFv on disk

[pastel grove]

Shit.

[balmy condor]

i destroyed 3 tanks in a match yesterday

[icy sluice]

Oh God... Lunge Mine on Operation Underground

[earnest wharf]

Lol

[pastel grove]

Imagine charging into the caves in Iwō Jima with a lungemine.

[prime pine]

AAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!

[tacit kelp]

@icy sluice nope 😄

[earnest wharf]

It will be terrible if it can be used on infantry

[balmy condor]

a full team of 32 charging into the metro with the lunge mines

[marble phoenix]

Lmaooo lunge mine on underground sounds wicked

[icy sluice]

That area upstairs, just lunge mine and kill like 5 guys in one charge

[prime pine]

My friend and i are gonna hide in bushes

And boom stick tanks

[balmy condor]

I can only imagine the noise

[marble phoenix]

It’s not gonna be a pick up item like flamethrower or Hatori Hanzo Sword?

[pastel grove]

IJA moment

[tacit kelp]

What about normal maps? Lunge map on hamada?? little weird

[earnest wharf]

Just need 2 of you

[tacit kelp]

@marble phoenix nope

[earnest wharf]

Both charge towards another tank = instant death for that tank

[prime pine]

Yep just the two into the sides

[icy sluice]

Lunge Mine will probably use the regular bayonet charge animation but stop the moment it really connects and blasts you onto your back

[prime pine]

Yeah basically, Insta gib the tank

Honestly what i want the boom stick to do is destroy fortifications and buildings

[balmy condor]

I'll just hide in the bushes with dynamite and throw them at US soldiers

[prime pine]

You charge into a building, It triggers and blows the wall apart.

[tacit kelp]

@balmy condor camper 😄

[icy sluice]

insta gib
That's a phrase I haven't heard of in y e a r s

[earnest wharf]

I think you only get 1 boom broom though

[prime pine]

It's still useful utility

[tacit kelp]

I know 🙂

[gloomy kraken]

But support can resupply almost instantly with a ammo box

[strong parrot]

Gib sounding like jib

[earnest wharf]

But you can pair that with the bazooka for long range

[prime pine]

I say Gib not Jib

[woeful needle]

Yeah

[prime pine]

Ohhhh

[balmy condor]

Gib

[coral fiber]

Lol

Gib

Jib

[earnest wharf]

Bazooka is probably going to replace the pf

[coral fiber]

Bib

[solid hinge]

inb4 the boom broom doesn't kill enemies permanently

[icy sluice]

This is the gif conversation again

[coral fiber]

Yes

[prime pine]

It wont ayla

[strong parrot]

Gib weapon balance is different from saying insta gib

[prime pine]

Cause its explosive

Oh well

[pastel grove]

me and Pilot getting ready to ruin NA servers by lungemining everything

[prime pine]

It's a discount bayonet anyways

[balmy condor]

+99dmg

[pastel grove]

[marble phoenix]

Wonder if bazooka will shot faster than piat

[prime pine]

In no offence to it

[balmy condor]

[coral fiber]

@pastel grove this tbh

[solid hinge]

If they don't make changes to the panzerfaust I can't imagine why anyone would ever use it over the bazooka or piat

[prime pine]

Golden tags!

[gloomy kraken]

3ddy you mean reload or projectile velocity?

[strong parrot]

You think you can stop the medic revive train with a bugmine?

[earnest wharf]

The pf got an unintentional nerf in 5.2

[coral fiber]

PF doodoo that's why

[marble phoenix]

@gloomy kraken you’re right, reload

[prime pine]

Wait what

What you mean Azura

[earnest wharf]

It actually somehow had a damage drop off at range when it was not supposed to be here

[balmy condor]

👌 👉 💥 💥 stick

[coral fiber]

Wth

[prime pine]

You gotta be joking

[tacit kelp]

@prime pine Its DICE they alwasy something fq up 😄

[strong parrot]

Yikes dice doesn't know when to stop the nerfing

[solid hinge]

That isnt just tank armour being fucked?

[gloomy kraken]

What i saw from the clips from Temporyal its reload is about 3 seconds, and PIAT is anout 2 seconds while panzerfaust is 4 seconds

[prime pine]

yeah they always fuck something up

[strong parrot]

Or should I say Mr head of fifa

[solid hinge]

I've had it do 8 damage up close

[coral fiber]

Bro lmfao

[earnest wharf]

Tank armor is probably going to be less tanky

[balmy condor]

Dice: Its nerf or nothing

[coral fiber]

Remember when the PF was good at launch

[strong parrot]

Nerf: it's in the game

[prime pine]

Honestly man i've dealt with so much bullshit today in my chi ha

[solid hinge]

I can't believe current tank armour is intended

[strong parrot]

Or will be soon when we patch it in

[coral fiber]

CHI HA

[solid hinge]

It feels incredibly inconsistent

[prime pine]

Some fuckhead was repping an LVT i was attacking.... Which would have died prior to the tank shell change

Then around F - G on Pacific storm, I got surprise attacked and couldn't repair my tank and there was no resupply in spawn

So life is fun in a chi ha

[balmy condor]

[earnest wharf]

Did you know that all howitzer shells are bugged?

[prime pine]

Were or are now?

[earnest wharf]

Are

[coral fiber]

DICE should change it's name to the "Salad Tank"

[gloomy kraken]

How

[prime pine]

How so?

[balmy condor]

The almighty Salad tank

[earnest wharf]

They all have a smaller blast radius than the stubby panzer IV cannon

[coral fiber]

Bruh

[gloomy kraken]

Lol

[prime pine]

What a fucking joke

No wonder why i keep on getting 92's on situations where they're meant to do

die

[earnest wharf]

Did you know that the staghound front and left side armor values were switched?

[prime pine]

Huh

[earnest wharf]

Lol

[prime pine]

Dice is doing weird shit

[gloomy kraken]

It would be nice if Sym.gg could get the vehicle section done because i want to know whats the diffrence with all the diffrent armor piercing rounds.

[marble phoenix]

Stags always seemed weak armor wise

[coral fiber]

Lmfao i thought tanks were fine 🤣

[prime pine]

Also i stole a 75mm churchill today and fucked a valentine up

[earnest wharf]

Front of staghound takes more damage than their left side

[prime pine]

I may of killed the operator repping it...

What the fuck

[coral fiber]

Im excited about tank body customization tho

[earnest wharf]

But not by much so people didn't notice

[prime pine]

Well i gotta tell my boys about it

[coral fiber]

Finally coming

[woeful needle]

Yeah

[prime pine]

Yeah but it's still a thing to be on the look out ofr

for

[midnight nimbus]

stop trying to make sense of how vehicles work in BFV

[prime pine]

Bleugh

[midnight nimbus]

there isn't the slightest drop of intelligent design or balance there

[prime pine]

A panzer iv would be awkward on wake island

Come to think of it

[earnest wharf]

I actually caught quite a few mistakes before 5.2 launched, some were fixed, some weren't

But I don't blame them really, there were tons of changes

I imagine if I were the one doing all of them, I'd probably miss some too

[coral fiber]

6.0 imo might mess up vehicle balance even more

[midnight nimbus]

it's not individual stats of each tank

as much as the fact that the underlying design ethos sucks

[solid hinge]

Vehicle combat is really bad in this game

[earnest wharf]

Oh I am not talking about that

[prime pine]

Just want tanks to be more accurate on the move

Why can't we have that

[earnest wharf]

Ww2 tanks mate

🤷lol

[coral fiber]

When DICE said a "Handfull" of vehicle changes in 6.0
I was like "fucking hell not again"

[prime pine]

I know but if you want to encourage aggressive tanking then allow such

[gloomy kraken]

It is a bit hard to aim at move but like Azura said, ww2. Ww2 tanks turrets were mostly hand crancked.

[solid hinge]

No stabilizer

[earnest wharf]

I think tanks will be easier to destroy in 6.0

[solid hinge]

Cold war tanks mostly have them

[prime pine]

No delay in unzoomed first person and better moving accuracy

[coral fiber]

Maybe

[solid hinge]

@earnest wharf i really hope so

[coral fiber]

You think they'll add more specs to euro planes in 6.0?

[solid hinge]

Tank to Tank combat needs to be fast

[prime pine]

Azura, Would you agree with mines being as powerful before hand but for them to despawn when the operator is dead?

I think that's fair enough

[solid hinge]

Also the fact that the Valentine is better at range than the Tiger makes me mad

[prime pine]

Tiger on tiger is fun!

[gloomy kraken]

The autocannon AP rounds are better to have than have nothing but they are a bit weak/over heat too fast.

[boreal sorrel]

Should i start useing the panzer IV?

[prime pine]

Dom dom dom dom dom

Yes

[boreal sorrel]

My tiger is maxed

[prime pine]

Get the flare set up

With ap mine

And fuck infy ove

[solid hinge]

@boreal sorrel max out every tank

The autocannon AP rounds did literally no damage unless I hit someone in the ass the last time I used them

[gloomy kraken]

They do now damage but its like 1-3 damage per projectile

[solid hinge]

It was 1 damage per thunk to the back of a valentine, 0 damage anywhere else

[prime pine]

Actually

[solid hinge]

Panzer 38t with the autocannon is very very strong

[coral fiber]

Oh yeah Jacub said on twitter that they're fixing the Pz 4 having 4 AP shells
I think it's in the trello

[boreal sorrel]

I was thinking skirt and longer barrel for panzer IV, i see everyone with that combo

[solid hinge]

I can easily go 40-0 in it

[coral fiber]

!!trello

[ruby trail]

ℹ Wondering what issues the developers are digging into? Head over to the Battlefield Quality of Life Tracker @ https://trello.com/b/yT9nj2yn/battlefield-v-quality-of-life-tracker and see for yourself!

[prime pine]

One change that surprised me but i really do like is that if a light tank with ap rounds get the flank on your tank, They can do some serious damage

If they hit the engine

[gloomy kraken]

But you can even take 3 over heats before destroying a enemy light tank from behind

[solid hinge]

fuckin trello

[prime pine]

Cause a 38 T nearly took me out when i was in my archer

[solid hinge]

Trello? Its still being updated?

[gloomy kraken]

Just today

[solid hinge]

Lmao

it doesnt look updated

[prime pine]

Light tanks might have a good small niche as speedy boi flankers

[gloomy kraken]

Look at the 6.0 section

[solid hinge]

Autocannon isnt good enough vs infantry to justify being useless vs enemy armour

[earnest wharf]

I suspect a few abandoned specializations may become somewhat useful again

[prime pine]

They should make the incendiary spec for tanks actually a threat

[solid hinge]

Also on the Reddit i said that we need the Sherman Firefly for the brits and everyone basically started attacking me.
Saying that its just a copy of the Sherman 76.

[prime pine]

And i know what to do!

[gloomy kraken]

I have managed to do really good with autocannon vs infantry tho, a bit dirty good

[prime pine]

COAT THE TANK WITH FIRE

[earnest wharf]

2pdr 👀👀

[coral fiber]

https://twitter.com/JaqubAjmal/status/1222816451029012481?s=09

Jaqub Ajmal (@JaqubAjmal)

Battlefield V - Trello Update - I have added a few issues that are fixed with 6.0, please note though that we are still working on multiple fixes in the known issues list, with the intent to address as many as possible with the next updates. If you feel any urgent ones are

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[prime pine]

Imagine with the incendiary launcher it covers your tank in incredibly lethal fire

So you can drive it into an objective point and set people on fire

[gray saffron]

wait, when did they change the weekly servers. just realized bombastic fantastic is back D:

[gloomy kraken]

The staghound incendiary launcher sucks

[solid hinge]

They're.. actually making the 2pdr not literal dogshit?

[prime pine]

Churchill also has it marse

Which is weird

[solid hinge]

Imagine if flamethrowers on tanks were actually good?

[gloomy kraken]

Stole a staghound once and it had the incendiary launchers, they were so useless

[earnest wharf]

They may, I am not certain

[prime pine]

they are, They're just not as easy to use

[solid hinge]

Cries in churchil crocodile

[prime pine]

Oh churchill crocodiles flamethrower is useles

Just

[solid hinge]

The incendiary launcher fires two molotovs incredibly slowly into the air

it's pointless

[prime pine]

Use the 75 mm howitsers to fuck everyone over

[strong parrot]

Imagine if they didn't block the drivers vision?

[solid hinge]

The only flamethrower im good at using is the Kami flamethrower

[earnest wharf]

The incendiary launchers are a waste of space

[gloomy kraken]

And you cant even aim them, they just fall infront of you Ayla

[prime pine]

if the driver could use the flamethrower while in the fucking driver seat that would be just fine

[earnest wharf]

Sherman

[prime pine]

Sorta make it like mechwarrior where it's limited to the front like with the guns

[dense bone]

damn, just saw someone have 1.5k hours on bfv

[prime pine]

I mean with the churchill crocodile

[strong parrot]

Croc and sturmtiger are totally balanced

[solid hinge]

Lets talk about the forgoten vehicles, The Pakwagen and the T48.

[gloomy kraken]

Like even the onion rounds for the staghound autocannon would be much better

[earnest wharf]

Croc and Sturm are good at different things

[solid hinge]

I haven't seen a single AP round light tank do anything

[prime pine]

Sturmtiger blasts through the competition

[dense bone]

1.5k hours is like 4 hours a day since launch

[solid hinge]

Like literally anything

[prime pine]

Sturmtiger is for incredibly heavy assault

[strong parrot]

You mean who thought it was a good idea to let someone else drive the Gunner around tanks?

[solid hinge]

The AP rounds for the 50 cals do more damage than the AP rounds for the autocannon

[earnest wharf]

Croc can be incredibly useful

[prime pine]

I don't think i have been beaten by anything while in the sturmtiger either

[gloomy kraken]

Btw does anyone ever use/get shot by the Onion ammunition?

[prime pine]

Because it's that fucked of a tank

[coral fiber]

Top gunners should have increased health

[solid hinge]

Make the Pakwagen the Arty Truck of BFV
2020

[earnest wharf]

No

[solid hinge]

Yes

[prime pine]

Top gunners on a tank should have a shield similarly to the landing craft gunners

[solid hinge]

It has no hp and barely moves

[coral fiber]

Oh hell no
Arty trucks are bad

[prime pine]

They're long range annoyerss

[solid hinge]

1.5k hours

[earnest wharf]

Indirect fire weapons need not be here lol

[solid hinge]

woough

[prime pine]

I got 1400

[solid hinge]

1 BOYS shot in the engine its already disabled @earnest wharf

[coral fiber]

Jeez

[prime pine]

My mate Cyanide is reaching the 2 K mark

[earnest wharf]

Unless there are adequate counters

[gloomy kraken]

Btw does the onion rounds work diffrently depending are you using the 4x or flak?

[prime pine]

2000 hour mark

[balmy condor]

2k hours

[coral fiber]

Man i dont have that much time holy shit

[prime pine]

They work the same but different weapons of course

[earnest wharf]

Imagine if there pakwagon becomes a mortar, think about maps like aerodrome

[prime pine]

Honestly i wanted to level up my flakpanzer for those meme rounds but they turned out to be fucking useless.

[earnest wharf]

It can just hide behind a mountain and bomb everyone

[balmy condor]

aerodrome

[gloomy kraken]

Woulnt the arty truck just be like the one in BF4? You need someone spotting or blind fire.

[prime pine]

Oh like the halftracks in combined arms

The rocket tracks

Fuck those

[midnight nimbus]

indirect fire is fine

[coral fiber]

NO

[midnight nimbus]

literally just move

[balmy condor]

I forgot about the halfttrucks

[midnight nimbus]

the rocket truck in BF4 was perfect

[balmy condor]

they look cool

[earnest wharf]

You need actual counters on a map

[midnight nimbus]

yeah

it's called

WASD

[gloomy kraken]

I liked the BF3 arty more because it could have AA missiles or TOW missiles or laser guided.

[solid hinge]

@earnest wharf in the files, there are 2 new versions of the halftracks.

The rocket mortar
The AA

[earnest wharf]

I am saying you need something else to destroy the mortar

Like the chopper in bf4

[pastel grove]

[solid hinge]

Another mortar

[midnight nimbus]

yeah, you have your tank main gun

[solid hinge]

Flawless

[midnight nimbus]

you roll up to the rocket truck

[earnest wharf]

How are you going to destroy a mortar behind a mountain

[midnight nimbus]

and it's helpless

drive up to it???

[gloomy kraken]

Im fine with mortars as long as it dosent get that dum follow camera like in BF1, you could just spot for your self with it.

[earnest wharf]

It is in the uncap?

[solid hinge]

at the moment tanks camp far away and theres literally no counter to them

so

same issue

[earnest wharf]

You can't drive into that area in aerodrome

[midnight nimbus]

uncap campers literally weren't a problem in BF3/4 anyways

[solid hinge]

The rocket halftrack if added will be scary as fuck to see.

[prime pine]

Planes exist to uproot camping tanks

[midnight nimbus]

had shit reach

[prime pine]

But

[earnest wharf]

Because you can actually still kill it from the sky

[prime pine]

Rarely is there a competent pilot

[midnight nimbus]

can't attack or defend anything

[balmy condor]

watching the missiles come over the horizon

[solid hinge]

^^

[midnight nimbus]

you didn't have to kill a rocket truck that was sitting in the uncap

you just ignore it

[solid hinge]

I WANT IT

[midnight nimbus]

bc it can't kill anything

[balmy condor]

Your entire team... reduced to atoms

[earnest wharf]

We are talking black and white here, I am just saying it needs adequate ways to kill it if it is introduced

[prime pine]

What i want is a tank with no turret but has 100 mine clearing... rounds

So

[midnight nimbus]

even on Zavod, the M142 could maybe defend one flag if you parked it in the uncap

[prime pine]

You can rush tanks, release the stringy boi and watch hell go loose on their ass

[balmy condor]

Several people are typing

[midnight nimbus]

and that was the gimme

[solid hinge]

If you want to experience it, Play DESERT DECLARATIONS combined arms mission. There is a single rocket halftrack at the end.

[prime pine]

My hand hurts

[midnight nimbus]

granted, it spawned in the center

so it never lived to make it to the uncap

[prime pine]

there's also one in the arras mission with the officers

[solid hinge]

Yes

[midnight nimbus]

[solid hinge]

And lots in storymode

[earnest wharf]

The thing about bf4 is that the rocket truck are only available on a few maps that were made for it

[balmy condor]

the one on arras is

[earnest wharf]

But replacing the pakwagon with a mortar truck is a whole different story

[solid hinge]

Tbh it should be made a 15k reinforcement with uh maybe 2 max on map.

[balmy condor]

I only play combined arms now for aim training

[prime pine]

My hand hurts

[gloomy kraken]

BF3 rocket trucks were fun to use, BF4’s were not, in BF3 they even had diffrent ones per faction.

[solid hinge]

No azura, there are 2 slots empty on the reinforcement wheel

[earnest wharf]

You can call that in a lot of maps that are not made for it

[prime pine]

I would like a thing where we could get specs for half tracks

[earnest wharf]

Think about breakthrough

[prime pine]

And the m3

And customise them

[solid hinge]

Breakthrough would be

[midnight nimbus]

mortar truck in BF1 literally was fine, playerbase was just too stupid to counter it

[solid hinge]

^

[north ravine]

artillery truck ?

[earnest wharf]

Didn't play bf1, can't comment

[solid hinge]

Same with planes in this game

Everyone calls them op

[north ravine]

cuz i don’t remember bf1 having a mortar truck

[solid hinge]

It did

Arty truck mortar spec

[prime pine]

I'm going to sleep guys. My hand hurts

[north ravine]

oh

[midnight nimbus]

you could pick arty, AA, or mortar specs

[prime pine]

Have a good sleep all

[solid hinge]

@prime pine gn

[north ravine]

arty was the best imo

[coral fiber]

Gm

[midnight nimbus]

AA was unfortunately really shit

[solid hinge]

It was fine

[midnight nimbus]

mortar was great bc no one knew how to counter it

[north ravine]

i don’t see the point of a mobile AA gun

[solid hinge]

I do

[earnest wharf]

If no one knew, it becomes a problem in pub games

[north ravine]

you got a lot of aa guns in pretty much any obj

[midnight nimbus]

because stationary AA doesn't work vs people with brain cells

[boreal sorrel]

Wanna know a map that would be cool but confusing as hell, castle itter. Germans and US vs SS lol

[earnest wharf]

If bf is a competitive game, the decision making would be a lot different

[solid hinge]

You can destroy a plane and relocate, it comes back thinking you were at the same place as last time and you can easily suprise him and shoot him down from a diffrent location.

[midnight nimbus]

if BF players used their brains*

[earnest wharf]

You can't change that

[midnight nimbus]

unfortunately true

[fierce radish]

Oh shit

Is it the actual azura

[coral fiber]

I sometimes use towable AA

For the same reason weeo said

[earnest wharf]

Like me farming infantry on arras breakthrough with my p4

[solid hinge]

I love it when i risk my life for a teammate medic,i revive him, i die, and then he runs away.

[gloomy kraken]

The towables are quite rare

[tacit kelp]

top 1 aa tanker killed only 11k planes, it is not good score

[earnest wharf]

Easily countered by calling in a crocodile but they rarely do

[tacit kelp]

aa tanks are too weaks

[north ravine]

nah

[coral fiber]

Idk why people leave towable AA's in the middle of a clear field

[fierce radish]

Azura how u doing

[solid hinge]

Not really

[gloomy kraken]

Roterdam has one towable in brit side but no in ger, that i remember of

[earnest wharf]

Good, you?

[balmy condor]

I kind of want to go back to xbox one and see how many bots there are

[fierce radish]

Pretty good

[midnight nimbus]

because pilots are consistently the biggest crybabies in BF

[coral fiber]

Towable weapons are underrated

[solid hinge]

Do you know how op is 40mm valentine + towed 40mm? It MELTS PLANES

[midnight nimbus]

refuse to use brain, die to AA

[coral fiber]

@midnight nimbus you are true

[fierce radish]

Not sure if u remember but I’m the guy who recommended u make the 5.2 tank vid

[coral fiber]

Not sugar coating this shit but he's right

[north ravine]

@midnight nimbus im still learning how to dogfight

[midnight nimbus]

there's an insane amount of self proclaimed "good pilots" that unironically thought lock ons were OP

[solid hinge]

Its the other way around

[gloomy kraken]

I once read a pilots message that the bombs beed a buff, it was back when they were the strongest.

[solid hinge]

Infantry likes to say NERF PLANES WTF

[tacit kelp]

@north ravine go on twitch Bandit_CKS

[earnest wharf]

Lock ons are annoying

[coral fiber]

Wasn't it ez to avoid a lock on

[tacit kelp]

he will help you 🙂

[midnight nimbus]

lock ons were fine

[coral fiber]

Just fly away

[north ravine]

yea im actually starting to take more planes down

[midnight nimbus]

if you die to them consistently, you had a gitgud issue

[north ravine]

@tacit kelp thanks

[fierce radish]

The were fine until there were 2 jets and a javalin

[midnight nimbus]

in planes, you could frequently just ignore the lock unless it was from another air vehicle

bc lol just fly faster and you break the lock

[tacit kelp]

twitch.tv/bandit_cks @north ravine but he streams about 12 pm

[north ravine]

sounds good

[coral fiber]

Then there's bfv
Where no one knows how to dogfight
But then again the fucking planes physics are complete shite

[midnight nimbus]

you almost never have to use CMs vs MANPADS

[tacit kelp]

@north ravine he is top 6 on PC 😄

[earnest wharf]

I think if you just flew towards the missile you can also avoid them?

I don't remember, has been a while

[fierce radish]

Sometimes

It was 50/50 for me

[earnest wharf]

Last time I flew was in bf3

[north ravine]

@coral fiber i get melted in ps4

[earnest wharf]

Otherwise I was just flying the chopper

[north ravine]

i don’t know about xbox

[midnight nimbus]

oh yeah and the scout heli could dodge a stinger right before impact

[tacit kelp]

@earnest wharf its time to start 🙂

[north ravine]

but whenever i pick a plane its about 2 min before i go down

[midnight nimbus]

no need to avoid it or pop CMs

[coral fiber]

Xbox pilots are so incompetent

[earnest wharf]

I do fly in the Pacific

Kinda getting back into planes recently

[midnight nimbus]

anti air in BF has always been shit, it's just continuously gotten much worse in BF1 and now V

[coral fiber]

Yeah

[fierce radish]

Xbox ur either fighting brainlets or military grade pilots

[earnest wharf]

I am not anywhere near good as a pilot and I still rarely get shot down from the ground

[fierce radish]

No in between like bf1

Yea

Pacific planes need a nerf

[coral fiber]

People consider dogfigting to be spinning on the same axis thinking you'll dodge bullets

[earnest wharf]

500x2 might get a nerf

[coral fiber]

Yeah

[fierce radish]

I only die to 2 aa guns and a dog fighter plane

[midnight nimbus]

BF pilots are generally the worst subsection of the community, right after unironic hardcore players and milsimmers

[coral fiber]

Mostly likely a delay between bomb drop

[fierce radish]

Yea

[tacit kelp]

Zero need rebuilt spec tree or nerf

[brave coral]

I just find that in bfv there’s no way to get a decent player off your tail and no one helps you

[midnight nimbus]

reeeeeeeeee why is there a mobile AA that can counter me

[brave coral]

Maybe I just don’t know the strategies

[midnight nimbus]

meanwhile there's a multitude of air vehicles that can hard counter anything on the ground

[coral fiber]

I use MAA all the time because it's fun

[brave coral]

Bc I’m noob pilot

[tacit kelp]

Bombing sights in Pacific planes Are OP

they shoulnd add this

[fierce radish]

Yea it’s who ever gets behind has 95 percent chance of winning

[balmy condor]

Cries in only used a plane 3 times

[earnest wharf]

It is hard to shake people off you in bf5, some people just brake but you can easily counter that

[gloomy kraken]

Kht i got a rage message because i scratched some hardcore pilots paint off with the lmg that had fire bullets in BF1

[fierce radish]

Lmao

[coral fiber]

They need to remove 3rd person reticle to all planes

Period.

[midnight nimbus]

yeah Burton was the only good AA measure in BF1

[brave coral]

But someone gets on your tail, you fly near friendly planes and they completely ignore the plane

[fierce radish]

No keep it for the actual bombers

[midnight nimbus]

and it still didn't do shit to pilots with brain cells

[coral fiber]

No

You already have bomb sights

[north ravine]

you can shake off pilots in bf1 pretty easily

[coral fiber]

Learn how to use it

[brave coral]

Also

[earnest wharf]

I don't mind if they take off all the reticles but it is not going to happen

[brave coral]

Passenger MGs do nothing against enemy planes

[midnight nimbus]

3p bombing reticle is fine

[balmy condor]

remember bf1 bombers

[midnight nimbus]

it's a good accessibility measure, if anything

[coral fiber]

That's also unfortunately true @earnest wharf

[fierce radish]

I can fine but third person help when ur getting shot and also try to dodge

[midnight nimbus]

the real problem is that bombers shouldn't exist at all

[earnest wharf]

They are not removing auto snap , they are not going to do that

[coral fiber]

God i hate auto snap

[fierce radish]

Yea that’s big gay

[north ravine]

If you’re in a bomber and you got a fighter in your tail you can switch seats and gun them down @brave coral

[midnight nimbus]

BF4 only had the JDAM, for anti armor use

[brave coral]

You have to dump like three full overheats into a fighter and it’ll kill if you’re lucky

[north ravine]

You just need to hit your shots

[brave coral]

@north ravine idk which part you missed about the passenger MGs being shit

[coral fiber]

Learned how to lead and aim my shots only for dice to add auto snap

[gloomy kraken]

And jdam didnt give you a camera feed, only the minimap

[tacit kelp]

@brave coral dont fly too close

[fierce radish]

There was a really good reddit post I saw explaining why everything is fucked

[midnight nimbus]

JU88A has better explosive output than BF1 illya btw

[coral fiber]

It does

[north ravine]

they’re not shit

[midnight nimbus]

especially since it can refresh its bombs much faster

[brave coral]

I can do a full overheat into a plane and it does probably 30 damage

[north ravine]

they can take off planes easily

you just need good aim

[earnest wharf]

I also don't mind if they remove all the bombers lol

[tacit kelp]

@midnight nimbus Mosquito is most cancerous plane in BFV

[coral fiber]

Yeah tbh

[midnight nimbus]

JU88A still king

[coral fiber]

I love fighters

[tacit kelp]

i hate this mf

[midnight nimbus]

planes in BF in general are dumb as shit

[north ravine]

bf109 and spitfire

[midnight nimbus]

you make any remotely effective counter and everyone loses their minds

[north ravine]

air superiority

[fierce radish]

@earnest wharf are u ever going to make a discord for your channel

[coral fiber]

I was fine with pre tweaked fliegerfaust
It was pretty ez to avoid

Just keep your distance

[gloomy kraken]

The launch stats?

[fierce radish]

Yea

[gloomy kraken]

Yup

[midnight nimbus]

BF4 lock ons would've been fine if they were stronger

[trail furnace]

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[north ravine]

yea but if you’re doing strafing runs its not that easy to keep away from fliegerfausts

[midnight nimbus]

MAA vs planes was fine

[balmy condor]

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[coral fiber]

Not if you catch them off guard

[trail furnace]

ha

[coral fiber]

I always strafed from behind

[fierce radish]

constantly

[gloomy kraken]

BF lock on weapons were always so slow that the aircraft countermeasures were always ready to use again

[north ravine]

i can’t see infantry when im strafing

[midnight nimbus]

but outside of MAA, there's nothing you can do from the ground to jets in BF4

assuming the pilot isn't dumb

[coral fiber]

It's always the shitty pilots that complain
Cuz they can't adapt lol

[midnight nimbus]

and even MAA isn't a hard counter

[north ravine]

the mosquito is as annoying as a real mosquito tbh

[balmy condor]

^

[earnest wharf]

I love killing maa with tow missile from AH

[gloomy kraken]

Atleast the insect mosquito wont level your house

[balmy condor]

Or will it

Vsauce music plays

[midnight nimbus]

yeah MAA doesn't shit on air nearly as hard as air shits on armor

[earnest wharf]

Then switch over to TV and hit them while they pop the APS

[solid hinge]

Stuka needs to be able to compete with the mosquito

[midnight nimbus]

AH or AJ vs MBT or LAV

oof

[idle breach]

stuka needs a better name to compete with mosquito.

[earnest wharf]

Mbt can't do anything against AH

[midnight nimbus]

yeah literally nothing

aside from catch them if they fly too low

[solid hinge]

The amount of stuff stuka had irl and the specs we have in game is sad

[earnest wharf]

Unless the chopper flys low

[solid hinge]

Stuka had 4x 20mm

[earnest wharf]

Then it is really their fault

[midnight nimbus]

killing helis with canister shell is hilarious though

[gloomy kraken]

Remember BF3 AC-130? Had AA cannons on the top but jets always attacked from below

[solid hinge]

Stuka had waffenbehalters with 12 down looking machine guns

[north ravine]

the 37mm guns on the stuka are pretty good

[earnest wharf]

How far did that work

[midnight nimbus]

not far enough

[earnest wharf]

Had to be pretty close right?

[midnight nimbus]

bc not BF3 levels of canister

an individual pellet of a BF3 canister shot alone could OHK infy to long range lol

[earnest wharf]

Lol

[midnight nimbus]

don't need more than one pellet to hit

just like irl I guess

[earnest wharf]

Right...

Or even just a 9mm

[balmy condor]

🍷 Me an infantry player who has hardly used vehicles ever in a chat full of 's in Battlefield vehicle science

[gloomy kraken]

In bf4 you could ohk quads with the cannister shell

[midnight nimbus]

hypersonic 10mm tungsten ball vs infy

[earnest wharf]

Lol

[midnight nimbus]

and you have 10kg of those tungsten balls

[earnest wharf]

That's like war crime level 10, imagine that in ww2

They were pissed about the shotgun

Imagine the canister

[icy sluice]

Remember when the Valentine AA Case Shells just annihilated infantry?

[earnest wharf]

Yea

That was bs

[gloomy kraken]

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[midnight nimbus]

it was nice af

[icy sluice]

I loved it

[midnight nimbus]

especially with the ammo glitch

[balmy condor]

🍷

[midnight nimbus]

that's the way it should be

MAA shreds infy

just like it should

[icy sluice]

"Huh, so there are 20 soldiers running from D to C on Aerodrome"
"There aren't anymore"

[earnest wharf]

Everyone were just using the VAA with 600 rounds or what not at the top of aerodrome breakthrough

[midnight nimbus]

yeah it was fun af

[rocky verge]

Riptor you bulli

[icy sluice]

I assume it was really effective with a mouse and not a thumbstick

[balmy condor]

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[midnight nimbus]

MAA needs to be able to contribute when it's done killing air

same way normal tanks can contribute when they're done killing other tanks

[earnest wharf]

The lvt AA is nuts still

[midnight nimbus]

both need to be able to dunk on infy

[rocky verge]

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[icy sluice]

LVT AA is not as good as it was before tho

[gloomy kraken]

Ka-mi AA feels better

[earnest wharf]

Not as good but still ridiculously good

[faint pond]

I miss the F-18 Hornet from BF3

[coral fiber]

They're both good

[midnight nimbus]

lmao imagine realistic canister shot though

[coral fiber]

The boat tank is more convenient for some reason

[earnest wharf]

It is much faster

[coral fiber]

Yeah that's why

[midnight nimbus]

M1028 canister shell designed to kill >50% of a platoon from 500m with 2 shots

[earnest wharf]

Ka mi is much more fun

[midnight nimbus]

25 kills, 2 shots 👌

[gloomy kraken]

Ka-mi has better positioned AA guns

[earnest wharf]

I wonder how much a he shell will do

[coral fiber]

The boat is fun

[idle breach]

theboat

[earnest wharf]

Maybe it won't explode upon impact on a soldier

[solid hinge]

flakpanzer still poop

[earnest wharf]

Dunno really

[coral fiber]

Flak Panzer is ok

[brave coral]

Some guy on my team was farming infy pretty well with the flakpanzer

[midnight nimbus]

last time I played BFV and used the flakpanzer

[idle breach]

reverse driving(driving?) landing craft is fucking overpowered

[earnest wharf]

Those are not as good as the Pacific AA tanks

[midnight nimbus]

it was painfully shit

[coral fiber]

It has an infinite overheat bug @solid hinge

[earnest wharf]

Much worse actually

[brave coral]

I think he had the 4 barrel version

[midnight nimbus]

insane number of hitmarkers

[faint pond]

Took a good 30 seconds to kill a Blenheim with it

[midnight nimbus]

low damage per shot

900RPM

[balmy condor]

I remember the first time I played on Iwo jima and I got onto the transport boats and it started flying

[midnight nimbus]

insane spread

[solid hinge]

That still doesn't make up for the horrible dust every time you shoot anything on the ground

[midnight nimbus]

can't kill planes well, can't kill infy well

RIP

[earnest wharf]

Flakpanzer and vaa suck now

[coral fiber]

Yeah

[solid hinge]

It's like a mobile bad mg42

[coral fiber]

They need to buff them

[solid hinge]

Why bother

[midnight nimbus]

I'm happy I played BFV back when the VAA was fun

[idle breach]

reverse driving landing boat is overpowered!!!

[earnest wharf]

Because infantry players cry

[coral fiber]

Remember when they were op at launch

[midnight nimbus]

got in some insane games with the CFA guys

[coral fiber]

I took out a tiger in the VAA once lol

[idle breach]

it is overpowered landing craft driving backward

[faint pond]

Same

[balmy condor]

I only cry on the inside

[solid hinge]

it should still do damage it's a fuckin 40mm steel

[idle breach]

landing craft going backward is overpowered

[solid hinge]

You can drive LVT backwards?

[idle breach]

not the lvt

the

[coral fiber]

LVCP

[idle breach]

lvcp

[solid hinge]

the actual landing boat?

[idle breach]

you can drive it backward with full speed

yeah

[solid hinge]

..why?