just for being in a flag being captured for no reason
You mean capturing the flag?
#battlefield-legacy-titles
icy sluice
sleek tartan
And many people do not want to play conquest. That's my point.
north ravine
especially with the trench darts
sleek tartan
@icy sluice I mean just happening to be there
not necesirely even because you wanted to capture
solid hinge
@icy sluice Yeah but why play with an AA gun when you can play with a tank?I tried playing with AAs and the issue is how they are so passive and how little score you end up geting.
queen canopy
Fighter will always be the most fun to fly
dense bone
no other stat is better by itself than spm
dense bone
what is it?
kdr?
queen canopy
Source: am fighter pilot
solid hinge
I mean Compare bombs in BF4 and BFV
north ravine
Bombers in bf5 are pretty good
solid hinge
Wait gtg nvm
sleek tartan
KDR + Winrate + KPM is the way I measure usually
dense bone
win % ideally would be it, but when there are 64 people in a match you can play like a god and still lose
sleek tartan
SPM is only another one to help
queen canopy
Ehh I don’t look at wineate
Winrate
Someone can be good but have absolutely not help from his team and lose a lot
dense bone
kdr/winrate/kpm mean absolutely shit by themselves though
sleek tartan
just take me as example, I never played conquest because I didn't like it. I played Domination and Frontlines. Both of those modes give super low points for objectives.
By themselves sure, combined? they are the best measure imho
tribal cairn
I used to love the shit out of Conquest,
sleek tartan
Well, you are saying SPM is the best indicator. I disagree. I find it to be extremely deceptive.
tribal cairn
But I love the linearty of breakthrough
sleek tartan
And if I had to chose one, one alone, then it would be KD/R
dense bone
"individually, spm is the best statistic to look at for an individuals performance"
LOL KDR?!
sleek tartan
as much as people want to be delusional about it, you don't get a good KD for free. Not in a med to long term.
dense bone
jesus tell me your memeing
bigboss with his 466 kdr and LESS THAN 50% WIN RATE says hello
north ravine
playing and not caring about your kd will get you a good kd eventually
sleek tartan
Yeah, having 1000 SPM just because you zerg flags that are being captured by your team means much more. I don't know man.
tribal cairn
I don't really care about stats
dense bone
if kdr was a good measurement on its own a 466 kdr would at least net you a .5 w/lr
north ravine
the game is about capturing flags more than just killing
queen canopy
I really only care about KD on a match to match basis, but that’s usually in tandem with score
sleek tartan
You can't capture flags if there's enemies on it.
dense bone
youre not gonna get 1k points from zerging
sleek tartan
Therefore KD matters.
north ravine
yea but there are dead flags
tribal cairn
Only thing I care about is getting the xp to actually get to level 20 for all of my classes
Because somehow I'm not there
dense bone
kd is like the least meaningful statistic unless you are playing TDM
north ravine
you can take a flag without enemy resistance
queen canopy
^
midnight nimbus
in an environment that has vehicles
being good with a vehicle is pretty important
midnight nimbus
K/D is pretty much the most meaningful measure of a vehicle player, and vehicles reign supreme in BF
sleek tartan
I disagree. A lot.
midnight nimbus
for better or worse
queen canopy
Well shit
dense bone
meaningful stats in order: spm>kpm>win ratio> kdr
midnight nimbus
CoD K/D is much less meaningful of a measure than it is in BF lol
queen canopy
Good players usually have good KD, but it’s not the most important stat
midnight nimbus
KPM is probably first
midnight nimbus
you can be really helpful with low SPM
you can be really unhelpful with high SPM
north ravine
yea
solid hinge
getting kills gives you score
dense bone
how can you be unhelpful with a high spm when you cant pad spm...
queen canopy
cant win argument, resorts to personal stuff
north ravine
just depending on the game
midnight nimbus
you can pad SPM
dense bone
ok yea, if you go off and do some extremely stupid shit
midnight nimbus
that's how my friends and i boosted for V-1s
solid hinge
I'd hold kpm and spm highest two
midnight nimbus
there's also a ton of mega helpful shit you can do that isn't very rewarding of SPM
dense bone
its very unlikely that someone has a high spm from cheesing/boosting
sleek tartan
@dense bone as I said 4-5 times already, running to flags your team mates (with a good kd) are already getting
but doing nothing else
or just giving ammo or healing
while doing nothing
dense bone
you dont get a high spm doing that though...
solid hinge
high kpm is relevant basically everywhere and in my experience spm is more accurate at telling how useful someone is than k/d
queen canopy
Ok but you don’t, thats the thing
tribal cairn
I don't like to judge my K/D
dense bone
considering the majority of this games players are casuals that do zerg without getting kills and avg spm is around 300....
solid hinge
spamming ammo pouches gives decent score but is boring and basically meaningless
dense bone
that suggests you dont get a high spm with that
tribal cairn
As long as your a good team player,
midnight nimbus
yeah it's insane how much score you can get in BF throwing boxes to players who will die before running out of ammo anyways
north ravine
giving ammo, reviving, and giving health packs is considered ptfo
its technically supporting your team
tribal cairn
Then it's good
sleek tartan
@midnight nimbus that's why for me, spm is so irrelevant
solid hinge
boxes are harder to get as much score from unless you dump it next to some dudes who reload every 2 seconds
sleek tartan
getting one flag in conquest is easy 1000 + SPM
dense bone
find me a single person over 500 spm that has a bad kpm or kdr
sterile current
I have the slight feeling Sirland might be the one that put the ttk into place and told us he tried to push against it.
Somebody higher up got wind of it and tossed him.
Its a strange coincidence that he announced selling his appartment right after coming back after hollidays.
I bet that was when they fired him because they realized he mucked up the ttk and the double talk was the cherry on the cake.
dense bone
i can show you someone with a 466 kdr that has a sub 50% win rate though
queen canopy
Smh unless you’re getting one flag every single minute, your SPM is not going to be anywhere near 1000
sleek tartan
@sterile current I have the slight feeling you are talking without knowledge
actually, I do know you are
solid hinge
I've seen a lot more people with high k/d and shit kpm & spm than people with high spm and shit other stats
dense bone
the only time i get over 1k spm is when i play like an absolute madman
queen canopy
Think about all the minutes you spend in between even TRYING to cap a flag
queen canopy
There’s no way it’s ever going to be that high under normal circumstances
dense bone
BUT THAT KD THO
tribal cairn
I still wouldn't say someone's a good player just by K/D alone
queen canopy
Exactly
dense bone
kd alone isnt an indication of much
queen canopy
Take me for example
coarse thunder
Getgoodguy already said it's a combo of things
coarse thunder
Kd+spm+kpm
solid hinge
yeah
solid hinge
my kpm in the air is like 0.5 and it's still in the top percentages
midnight nimbus
K/D alone is always a useful indicator
queen canopy
Except not me because contrary to popular belief I’m not shit at infantry 
midnight nimbus
you can never get a low K/D and not be shit
queen canopy
Ehhh
midnight nimbus
you can never get a high K/D without being useful at something
midnight nimbus
yeah, because he more or less throws games where he's not flying
midnight nimbus
but tell all the comp 10s and 12s teams that wanted him that he's not very useful because of his high K/D
solid hinge
ive topped matches with negative k/d ratios and seen people at the bottom of the team going 5-0 who were camping in an irrelevant location with an mg42 all round
queen canopy
Agreed
midnight nimbus
when you're a pilot, K/D is the ultimate metric of skill
queen canopy
People care about it
dense bone
people like you are the only ones that think it means anything
dense bone
going 5-1 in 30 minutes with a 5kdr doesnt mean shit
queen canopy
Ye
midnight nimbus
KPM is by far the most useful metric
dense bone
youre fucking delusional if you think kdr alone is important
midnight nimbus
K/D is very easily next
dense bone
kht is
north ravine
You can pump your k/d by using bombers and dropping loads on busy objectives
earnest wharf
Kd as a pilot only means so much. There are pilots who fly bombers and get wrecked by fighters
north ravine
its pretty easy
coarse thunder
Who are we even arguing against
queen canopy
cough
dense bone
kht saying kdr is an important stat by itself
earnest wharf
It is important but you have to look at the whole picture
midnight nimbus
it's incredibly important
even if you're a bomber and getting wrecked by fighters
dense bone
kdr only has meaning looking at other stats
midnight nimbus
if you're racking up kills, you're stopping a ton of infy
dense bone
by itself it means jack shit
queen canopy
For once I agree with Nyphon
dense bone
bigboss proves that
midnight nimbus
SPM only has meaning looking at KPM or K/D
north ravine
yea thats why a lot pilots go 40/0
dense bone
spm is a combination of kpm and everything else youdo in game
earnest wharf
There are tankers with 60+ kdr with a 25% win rate, 1kpm, 200 ish score pm
Doesn't mean they are good
dense bone
to try to discredit spm is frankly dumb
dense bone
yes it is
queen canopy
Yes
midnight nimbus
as if BF4/1 didn't already discredit the value of SPM kek
dense bone
again, find someone with a good spm that doesnt have other good stats behind it
sleek tartan
have you never seen on reddit some of those points of somebody going 0 - 0 and with 20000 points in a match?
have you not?
posts*
dense bone
i can show you someone with a 466 kdr that doesnt even have a postive win ratio
solid hinge
they were spamming flares
sleek tartan
that's the whole point
solid hinge
that's literally more useful than 80% of players
queen canopy
Man because that happens every single round, you’re right @sleek tartan
sleek tartan
the game is filled with means to get points like that
solid hinge
that's actively a useful thing to do
main grove
Someone on op underground breakthrough spammed flares
dense bone
for the third time, show me someone with a good spm that doesnt have good stats elsewhere
stop ignoring that
earnest wharf
None of the stats are worth dwelling on too much by themselves but when you look at the whole picture, you get an idea of how good someone is
sleek tartan
even if its actively useful thing to do, it's not reasonable that the guy with 0 - 0 got more points than anyone else
queen canopy
@sleek tartan it’s also an outlier case. It rarely happens, I’ve never personally seen it
dense bone
bf1 gave way too much points
queen canopy
It’s only something that shows up on reddit every once in a while amidst the whining
dense bone
i have 3.3k spm on bf1
solid hinge
Hey, am I allowed to post images here?
dense bone
you cant
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solid hinge
I've seen people spawn a flakpanzer at the start of panzerstorm breakthrough and not die all round, but we didnt ever get past the first sector because they had a flakpanzer on panzerstorm breakthrough and despite their decent amount of infantry kills they still were at the bottom of the scoreboard
queen canopy
Plz
icy sluice
you can use image hosting websites like imgur
midnight nimbus
pull up leaderboards and it's not very hard to find someone with top 500 SPM and like sub 2 k/d
kek
icy sluice
gyazo and prntscreen (if that one still exists) also works
sleek tartan
or more spm and less KD
dense bone
i can bring up top kdr show you someone with 466 kdr and sub 50% win ratio
solid hinge
my kdr is sub 2.0 and i know im not shit
earnest wharf
Are you sure
main grove
Because the game isn’t so simple KDR and SPM on their own don’t give enough info
midnight nimbus
epic ability to throw
icy sluice
Whoa
solid hinge
actually wait I broke 2.0 after 5.2
dense bone
show me someone with high spm that is below 50% win ratio
earnest wharf
jk
queen canopy
Mines 2.56, and I no life planes sometimes
dense bone
be like hormigaz and ignore what i ask
solid hinge
I'm not as shit
dense bone
because you cant fucking find it
main grove
I’ve been around 2.4-2.6 since launch
solid hinge
icy sluice
Whoa Azura, that's toxic 
rancid burrow
Hello
earnest wharf
😂😂😂
queen canopy
Welcome to hell @rancid burrow
rancid burrow
Oh I’ve been here
midnight nimbus
so now winrate matters? 🤔
icy sluice
Only I get to talk shit about Ayla :p
dense bone
ive put winrate above kdr
midnight nimbus
> 64p game
> can just leave any game you're losing
dense bone
its really the ultimate goal
rancid burrow
I never talk here unless I want to watch chaos
main grove
Yeah my SPM is worse than aylas but my KDR is slightly better
sleek tartan
your argument destroyed
haughty pawn
i'm proud of my 0.7 kdr with my medic 
sleek tartan
by your own standards
rancid burrow
If you can’t carry 31 blueberries you should be ashamed of yourself
north ravine
KILLS matters more than flags
queen canopy
One example found
dense bone
you mean those obviously fucked up spms?
earnest wharf
If I don't care about win rate, I can always just camp on top of my spawn with an AA under me and just get 5 kills the entire game in a plane and repeat over and over again and get a 100 kd
queen canopy
Argument destroyed
north ravine
sleek tartan
@queen canopy ROFL, not one example, literally first guy I saw and in the top SPM in the world
midnight nimbus
if you can't influence the outcome of a 64p game well, and you can easily just leave to prevent a loss, winrate might take the cake for one of the least important stats
dense bone
no one is legitimately getting over 1k spm
sleek tartan
nice fallacy
dense bone
kdr takes up least important stat
tribal cairn
When in doubt, just camp the top tanker on your team as support
midnight nimbus
name a good player with bad K/D?
sleek tartan
KD/R is the least relevant... xDDDDDDDDDDDD
main grove
Winrate does not matter at all
rancid burrow
Lmao
sleek tartan
and we wonder why battlefield went to shit
queen canopy
On its own, yes
main grove
Like unless you only play sub 32 player modes
solid hinge
my recon stats skew my overall stats cause im vastly better with recon than the other classes
rancid burrow
There’s a ton of players with bad KDs that would rock you
solid hinge
also my spm dropped on medic because i kept spawn camping people on squad conquest
dense bone
means nothing
earnest wharf
How about a good win rate is not a very important metric but there are supposedly these good vehicle players with absolutely terrible win rate, that means something
solid hinge
such a badly designed mode
sleek tartan
@rancid burrow do you even know him to know who would rock him?
queen canopy
Emphasis on Alone
sleek tartan
or you just like to talk nasty?
midnight nimbus
logic 101: if being bad at something doesn't mean you're bad, that something isn't a relevant stat
rancid burrow
But the players I compete against are 150x better than me
dense bone
logic 101: i know weapon stats because i read them like the bible, so i make illogical conclusions all the time and think they are right
example: kdr is important
main grove
Does KPM exist?
sleek tartan
@midnight nimbus honestly I've seem Nyphon talk many many times, he always has this attitude. We shouldn't take so much notice on it.
queen canopy
On its own, KDR is not important. When combined with other stats, it gains relevance
dense bone
yes kpm exists
rancid burrow
Yes
midnight nimbus
similar to the IQ fallacy: having a high IQ isn't a good indicator of success, but having a low IQ is a decent indicator of not having success
if the stat only goes one way, it's pretty irrelevant
dense bone
if someone said they had a 5 kdr i would wonder what all the other stats were at first to see if they are just not cheesing a kdr
icy sluice
Remember the skill stat?
earnest wharf
Not necessarily
dense bone
no other stat would i question that hard
earnest wharf
There are stats that only means something one way
dense bone
all this and games with pro scenes they have kdr of something like 1.3
those pro players must be shit with those 1.3kdrs
sleek tartan
I always challenge people who say that KD/R is irrelevant to get a good one themselves. For some reason or another, they always fail to do it.
icy sluice
I remember having a high skill stat would end up just fucking you because the Auto Balance would ALWAYS go after you
sleek tartan
I see a trend
lofty saddle
i can't win shit
main grove
I mean I don’t think stats are even that important because today I had some fucking awful games because I tried to use AT guns
solid hinge
you're gonna struggle that with nyphon :L he's quite good at not dying
main grove
I went like 14-12
dense bone
if i can get a vehicle every match and i sit at edge of map with it and farm infantry iwill have a great kdr
main grove
Pro players have 1.3kd because I assume they only play against other pros
dense bone
if i have a pocket medic to revive me while i get 5 kills every match ill have a great kdr
solid hinge
my recon stats are so much better than the rest of my classes I feel bad for slagging bolts off so much
earnest wharf
Having a high win rate you can say you can cheese it by leaving losing matches but no one who care about their stats will leave winning matches because they want a low win rate
dense bone
@main grove exactly
midnight nimbus
at the absolute least, K/D is always a relevant indicator of how bad you are at an FPS
solid hinge
sorry krag you've done me well even if statistically you're awful
dense bone
dont try to save face kht, you think kdr alone is an important stat
midnight nimbus
depending on the game, K/D means less and less as you approach increasingly high level
earnest wharf
It is relevant, just not the whole picture, far from the whole picture
midnight nimbus
but it's always important
sleek tartan
Pro players (which don't exist in Battlefield) don't only play vs other pros. And therefore don't usually have a kd of 1.3 (AFAIK)
main grove
All bolts are awful statiscally
icy sluice
K/D translates to Kills Per Death so of course that means you're skillful in killing
brazen kayak
ttk back to normal?
main grove
No
queen canopy
No
main grove
Not until maybe late feb
solid hinge
It might mean you're skillful in not dying
brazen kayak
be back next month
dense bone
you dont have to be skillful at killing if you only get 5 kills an entire game but only died once
main grove
Or early match
midnight nimbus
KDR alone is always important to provide a picture of how proficient you are at your primary method of play
queen canopy
@brazen kayak they’ve already said they’re not gonna revert lmao
main grove
Is not dying really a skill as compared to killing
icy sluice
Ideally you wanna kill more than you're dying ¯_(ツ)_/¯
dense bone
not even close
midnight nimbus
yeah, as infy, KD means increasingly less as you approach 2-3
sleek tartan
There's also kills per match stat. Which also isn't good, because again conquest is much longer than let's say other modes like TDM.
solid hinge
Yes
t. mg42 camper
pulsar valve
can someone test a code for me
main grove
Like I kill a lot but I don’t really focus on trying my hardest to not die
queen canopy
@brazen kayak might as well get used to it, it do just fine with It
midnight nimbus
and increasingly less in vehicles as you approach double digits
pulsar valve
BFWU-XDAM-46P9-FDNB
toxic void
Me
icy sluice
@pulsar valve 👀
dense bone
there is no kills per match stat...
queen canopy
Oh hi Brian
sleek tartan
@dense bone there is
solid hinge
inb4 that's a code for deluxe
pulsar valve
That's a code for the BF8 Pre-Closed-Alpha Beta
icy sluice
Yeah, especially since there's joining in a middle of a match and leaving in the middle of a match
as well as how short and how long matches can be
main grove
I’m gonna do that Rn
dense bone
thats why theres a KPM stat
sleek tartan
@dense bone ROFL. total kills / rounds played
icy sluice
You can totally just calculate it yourself
dense bone
so its a made up stat
icy sluice
blah enter key
sleek tartan
okay im out
dense bone
i thought we were functioning on the basis that it was a provided stat
dense bone
it exists because someone thought "i care about kills per match"
icy sluice
I am probably gonna drink a bit of cofffffffff
dense bone
wondering if hormigaz thought KPM was kill per match
rocky verge
Are lizards allowed to drink coffee?
rancid burrow
Probably
icy sluice
¯_(ツ)_/¯
dense bone
ive never heard kills per match before now
sleek tartan
HormigaZ knows this game much better than you xD
rancid burrow
Lmao
icy sluice
How else do you think I am alive after all this time?
dense bone
ehh we will never know
main grove
Apparently my kills per match is 23
icy sluice
Lemme do the math...
rocky verge
Blu best raptor
rancid burrow
💀
rocky verge
dense bone
your stats are padded by playing with someone who wanted to name thsemselves "hormigazsupport"
icy sluice
I am curious myself lol
dense bone
the only time you play the game
sleek tartan
That's as delusional as believing Kd doesn't matter
but go on
you only hurt yourself
dense bone
these are literally your words
solid hinge
dry water
sleek tartan
I said "my stats are padded by a guy"? xDDDDDDDDDDD
icy sluice
I am a bit confused?
sleek tartan
I said that I played with a friend who names himself like that to annoy people
it works
example: you
dense bone
you said you only play with a friend who named themselves hormigaz support who revives you all the time
queen canopy
Apparently mines around 28
icy sluice
What's the difference between rounds and rounds played?
main grove
Average match is 23 kills 8 deaths
dense bone
im not annoyed by it, just proves your stats are padded by a pocket medic
sleek tartan
bullshit. I said I mostly only play when I have somebody to play with, which is often him. I also did say he's great at reviving.
icy sluice
Like, rounds as in... I haven't finished or...?
sleek tartan
That's by no mean saying that I have padded stats xD
queen canopy
28-10 per match ooof
dense bone
"bullshit. I said I mostly only play when I have somebody to play with, which is often him. I also did say he's great at reviving."
sleek tartan
"pocket medic" probably said by someone who only plays in a stack of 4 or 5 when it was possible
I really laugh at the face of these accusations
dense bone
you often play with a pocket medic that revives a lot and you dont think your stats are padded?
no wonder you think kdr means something
sleek tartan
you wouldn't get close to me even with a full team of "pocket medics" as you call them
dense bone
youre delusional
smoky shard
When can i get the grease gun with cc
icy sluice
I am still confused on what's the difference between Rounds and Rounds played
queen canopy
Tfw top 0.1% shots taken
sleek tartan
Like, you don't get revived right? and you don't teamplay with a squad, right?
icy sluice
Grease Gun came out on the 33rd right?
icy sluice
*23rd
solid hinge
main grove
Remember that one TOW challenge that was like fire 5000 shots
queen canopy
🍿🍿🍿🍿🍿🍿🍿🍿🍿🍿🍿
dense bone
i have played bfv 98% of the time solo
queen canopy
Get your popcorn!
sleek tartan
without ANY revive, without not ONE, i would still have 4x your KD
rose flicker
🍿 🍿 🍿
solid hinge
@queen canopy Gotta love Nyphons endless discussions with anyone else
dense bone
you MIGHT be true
sleek tartan
I am
sleek tartan
we do know, because the game knows how many times you've been revived
rose flicker
dense bone
youre talking hypotheticals
sleek tartan
so I perfeclty know my kd without revives
midnight nimbus
if a huge goal of BF is to play it with teammates, is getting revived wrong?
dense bone
im talking you have a pocket medic that pads your stats
sleek tartan
not hyponothings
dense bone
which is a fact
midnight nimbus
yeah K/D without revives can be seen
rose flicker
main grove
So add revives to how many times you died
dense bone
i didnt make anything up
queen canopy
fight fight fight fight fight fight fight fight fight fight fight fight fight fight fight fight fight fight fight fight
rose flicker
🍿 🍿 🍿
dense bone
this is your own admission you only play with a dude that called himself hormigazsupport and he revives you all the damn time
main grove
Or does it count how many revives you performed
sleek tartan
playing with someone that revives you, just like anyone else, is NOT padding anything.
midnight nimbus
pretty sure hormi still has an absurd infy K/D without revives
solid hinge
My money is on HormigaZ
main grove
Not how many you went though
strong parrot
uhh, what in the cringe is going on here 
solid hinge
Wtf??? My K/D is 1.56 while i get easly 5 kills in 1 life. Like wtf why isnt it higher??? Someon explain
solid hinge
@strong parrot Nyphon has a fight again
queen canopy
🍿🍿🍿
strong parrot
wait...is this
dense bone
"I also did say he's great at reviving."
to
"i didnt say he revives me all the time"
strong parrot
the stupid H guy someone else always talks about?
solid hinge
@solid hinge you also get times where you die 5 times before getting one kill
rose flicker
Fight fight fight!
solid hinge
Well yes but actually no @solid hinge
sleek tartan
"he's great at reviving =/ he's my medic pocket, he does nothing but revive me"
simpel to understand
main grove
I get tilted easy so many matches end up with death streaks on my end
dense bone
pocket medic doesnt mean they literally only revive
queen canopy
sips tea in pilot
solid hinge
Death streaks mean nothing to those who master the spawn beacon
Strike me down and I will respawn 10 metres away from you with a flare
dense bone
pocket medic shoots once
oh no hes not a pocket medic anymore
midnight nimbus
hormigaz has also been extremely good at BF for a long time, and has great stats even after factoring for revives
strong parrot
and then die again because youre using a bolt action 
sleek tartan
listen, no matter how you say it, you are just being wrong. I played with a guy that was called like that, doesn't mean anything. He revived me as much as he would revive anyone else who played with him. We often faced stacks of people who would do the same but instead of 2 guys 2 full squads.
solid hinge
@solid hinge but when im in a plane i get easly 20 kills with 0 deaths, why isnt my kd higher?
dense bone
im not saying it, you are
sleek tartan
But if you want to believe otherwise, i don't really care other than making things clear for others
dense bone
youre arguing with yourself essentially
sleek tartan
whatever
dense bone
dont get mad that im putting it out there
midnight nimbus
complaining about people having pocket medics is irrelevant when you can see K/D factoring revives anyways
queen canopy
The old switcharoo
dense bone
you obviously do care though
shadow night
noobs
sleek tartan
you didn't put out there anything, you took parts of things I said, twisted them and made them into a lie by altering what I said and how
solid hinge
@dense bone and @sleek tartan just shut
main grove
sleek tartan
@solid hinge make me
shadow night
silence all of you im the best get on my level idiot noobs
solid hinge
I SAID SHUT
sleek tartan
let's go
dense bone
did you not say you only play with friends? said friend changed name to hormigazsupport, and that friend is very good at reviving you?
solid hinge
@solid hinge oof
sleek tartan
now
solid hinge
No one is mentioning the REAL important stats here
shadow night
eat a shush burger noob
solid hinge
which is how many spawn beacons you've placed
dense bone
if you say no to any of those you are lying
sleek tartan
xd
balmy condor
my K/D is an abomination to god himself
strong parrot
i like how active mods are just letting this pissing contest continue
shadow night
bmac silence
strong parrot
really nice to open the channel to this
shadow night
no
main grove
How many people have I bayoneted
strong parrot
morons bickering
main grove
Let me check
shadow night
3
solid hinge
@strong parrot this is a polite debate i dont know what you're talking about
strong parrot
Uh huh
balmy condor
This is a civilised chat
solid hinge
sleek tartan
@dense bone I did NOT say I only play with friends, that's a total lie. I said I mostly only play when I have someone to play. He did change name to that. Yes, being good at reviving is what I said. And that he did it a lot. Still, doesn't mean my stats are padded. That's like saying that anyone who played with a friend has padded stats.
queen canopy
Yo let me get some too @solid hinge
sleek tartan
hahahaha
strong parrot
Its almost like some people are immune to anything when involved with shit storms
dense bone
sounds like pocket medic to me
shadow night
silence noob @strong parrot
balmy condor
sleek tartan
that's not a vinculant statement xd
dense bone
those are your words
dense bone
" i have a friend i play ALWAYS, he does revive the shit out of me"
strong parrot
@shadow night do i need to get my weeb-be-gone spray?
shadow night
i have revived him like 25 times today
shadow night
true
dense bone
hormigaz arguing with himself
sleek tartan
@solid hinge look at your face dude
balmy condor
Silence obama
shadow night
ahahahaha
midnight nimbus
aside from the fact that you can very easily see how well someone would be playing it they didn't play with friends, is it even "padding" your K/D when revives are an explicit game mechanic and teamplay is an explicit goal of the game?
dense bone
mad at what he said
shadow night
i cant be bothered to read that
balmy condor
I can't read
dense bone
typical cornered dog response
solid hinge
The jungle trailer looks cool, have you guys seen it yet?
shadow night
no
balmy condor
yes
shadow night
no
balmy condor
i like it 
solid hinge
@sleek tartan worst insult i have read in my 14 years of living, couldnt get something better that insult literally hurt my insides
strong parrot
Lul ok it is who I thought it was, yikes.....we at hard core cringe hours now
balmy condor
real cringe boi hours
shadow night
yess
sleek tartan
@dense bone I really find your logic extremely flawed, i'm not cornered in any way
main grove
Fuck I can’t see my revives
sleek tartan
but again, I'll let you believe you are right
no, you are the one saying I have padded stats
dense bone
you said you always play with someone who revives the shit out of you
main grove
Not revives
main grove
Bayonets
dense bone
now you are saying thats not the case
shadow night
i agree with hormiga
dense bone
i literally quoted what you said and youre arguing against it
sleek tartan
sure
balmy condor
🍷
shadow night
yes
sonic rampart
sleek tartan
yes
solid hinge
Does adding the bayonet to your rifle in bf1 reduce its stats in anyway?
midnight nimbus
probably hyperbole
balmy condor
shadow night
yes im his friend
main grove
Yes esphose
shadow night
but i didnt play with him yesterday
main grove
I think it makes spread reduce slower
solid hinge
Oh okay
midnight nimbus
you could also look at his BF tracker and see that he doesn't always play in a stack
main grove
Actually no
dense bone
im just going off his words
if he didnt mean those words, he shouldnt have said them
🤷
solid hinge
Thanks
sleek tartan
I literally almost never play with more than one friend.
midnight nimbus
god forbid someone use hyperbole on the internet
dense bone
that one friend being the pocket medic?
balmy condor
goddamn exageration
solid hinge
god forbids it?
dense bone
sorry... the guy that revives the shit out of you?
sleek tartan
no, just someone
solid hinge
damn I better add that to rules
balmy condor
quickly
sonic rampart
Well whats written is written and it says ‘always’
dense bone
^
solid hinge
dense bone
i didnt add always
solid hinge
dense bone
basically what is happening here is someone is getting mad at their own words
sleek tartan
even if I did play always with him, it would still not be padding
solid hinge
Ayla, you’re the best mod
midnight nimbus
the existence of a pocket medic isn't even a legit knock on someone's ability
balmy condor
I propose a peace treaty
sleek tartan
change my mind
solid hinge
Allowing this chaos
dense bone
theres no changing your mind hormigaz
solid hinge
Can you inspect gadgets in bfv?
dense bone
you literally argued with yourself
gray saffron
no
dense bone
you couldnt change your own mind
midnight nimbus
it's not padding when it's not the game is intended to be played
dense bone
how do you expect we do it?
sleek tartan
ok boomer
strong parrot
chaos? Seems perfectly normal and not disruptive at all
balmy condor
Ayla this is the peak entertainment on this channel
dense bone
lol devolves to "ok boomer"
sonic rampart
LOL
dense bone
classic
sonic rampart
balmy condor
Watching Nyphon argue is always
main grove
Why are you even having this argument
solid hinge
i figured it was this or more ttk talk
strong parrot
its all good, just take matters into your own hands and it gets quieter 
balmy condor
solid hinge
this is definitely better right
midnight nimbus
ppl unironically going reeeeeeeeee KD doesn't matter
sonic rampart
solid hinge
NEW CODES #giveaways
Go get emblems
How much damage does a lunge mine do?
I already got one
strong parrot
why not talk more about how clueless dice is with coming soon
balmy condor
already got one
sonic rampart
Tfw no game codes 
solid hinge
@solid hinge alot
sleek tartan
I mean, @dense bone literally does the same to everyone who doesn't agree with all what he says
dense bone
ppl stupidly going reeeeeeeeee KD is super important alone
sleek tartan
that's yet another of your oscar movies
strong parrot
it did exactly 0 damage in chapter 5...when it was supposed to come out
sleek tartan
we said that if one alone was to be more important, it would be kd
main grove
Can we talk about which side had the better rations?
sleek tartan
not that it's super important alone blablabla
balmy condor
Its just that Nyphon is one extremely handsome boi
dense bone
@sleek tartan i didnt say "i always play with a friend who revives me"
main grove
Or better jam
sonic rampart
Lmao
sleek tartan
you really do have mental issues
solid hinge
Also do we have body customization for the tanks yet?
midnight nimbus
thinking that K/D is "paddable" in a game genre that's centered around killing people
dense bone
im not arguing with myself
solid hinge
Shit
balmy condor
PartWelsh said it i think
icy sluice
mhm
balmy condor
oh hello there
solid hinge
A date
strong parrot
i believe braddock claimed he said it many times before too
golden fulcrum
Alo
icy sluice
This has been posted several times I think https://twitter.com/PartWelsh/status/1222542374280290304
sterile panther
This debate is interesting to watch... but the game mechanics initiate a revive phase, I know several people who use their friends to help them get revive challenges done! What does it matter if a person is using an in-game mechanic to help them play the game and to have fun. That is the point of Battlefield, is to have fun. Yes, others may see his stats as "padded" but then you have others who are just trying to enjoy the game. I take no stand in this argument, but I feel both of you should stop fighting and just play the game using whatever mechanics you want to use and using your own play style.
dense bone
imagine thinking kdr isnt paddable when infantry players can average 1.5kdr but once they get in a vehicle and cheesee shit they go to a 5kdr+
solid hinge
🇸🇪
main grove
What the fuck does “PADDING” even mean
midnight nimbus
that's just playing the game kek
sleek tartan
you know that you can tell KD for ech class?
main grove
Define padding
strong parrot
its that stuff in the underwear the ones currently bitching at each other need to go put on
sleek tartan
like he likes to say
solid hinge
thanks for keeping us honest
ok gib body dragging and falling takedowns and the redone melee system and the crash landing mechanic
dense bone
@sleek tartan no shits, thats i know they average 1.5 kdr and get 5kdr in tanks
solid hinge
gib nao
raw orbit
when planes can go 50-0 how you gonna say you cant cheese your kd to be high lul
balmy condor
TRU
main grove
Because my defenition is playing in a way where your stats appear way higher than your actual skill
strong parrot
crash landing
implying any of you pilots would actually stay in a plane long enough to get down to the deck
midnight nimbus
goal in FPS is to kill people, game gives you a murderbox to kill people with
scenic beacon
@solid hinge 5v5 and 30 other weapons too
midnight nimbus
playing the game by its rules hardly seems like padding
dense bone
goal in a game is to win
scenic beacon
@solid hinge hitreg for it is iffy at best
dense bone
kills arent the only way to win
balmy condor
Cappy is just an intellectual
sleek tartan
I've seen plenty of people try to get a vehicle and get ridicule KDs with it. Are you trying to suggest that getting one insantly gets you a good KD?
raw orbit
main grove
I think that only using vehicles and quitting games where you can’t use them can be padding
balmy condor
🍷 
sleek tartan
That they don't take any skill? 😛
dense bone
its not automatic
raw orbit
i know people who just camp the spawn screen for tanks lul
icy sluice
Can't we just say that you use more than one stat to determine how 'good' of a player you are? 
main grove
Like that is playing only for the KD
dense bone
but with the same skillset and a slight change in mechanics you can increase you potential tenfold...
midnight nimbus
when it's been established that winrate isn't a reasonable measure of how good someone is
sleek tartan
@icy sluice that's not even the issue. The issue is his attitude and what he states.
midnight nimbus
winning clearly isn't very reflective of the individual in BF
sonic rampart
dense bone
did i state i only play with friends that revive the shit out of me? nope...
strong parrot
no..not when you have some people literally riding on top of others claiming they're actual gods at the game
raw orbit
1v1 me lee enfield only then we'll see who the better player really is
solid hinge
the issue is that this is more entertaining than actually playing battlefield 5
balmy condor
This arguement is still going
sleek tartan
@dense bone try, and try to get similar results. Oh wait...
shadow night
silence noob @dense bone
raw orbit
arguing in this chat is the best part of bf5 
sonic rampart
@solid hinge Well Yes but actually no
strong parrot
ayla just needs to play a round of bfv right now and create actual content for this channel
balmy condor
sonic rampart
dense bone
give me a pocket medic i might get close, idk though
dense bone
take your pocket medic away and lets see where your stats fall
solid hinge
Please no if I get mad again I'll pop a vein
main grove
1v1 me lees only 500% health
dense bone
sorry. not pcket medic "friend that revives the shit out of me"
strong parrot
start a go fund me page for aylas veins 
scenic beacon
@solid hinge embrace the pain, let it guide you. LET THE HATE FLOW THROUGH YOU
Embrace the dark side!
balmy condor
I swear playing bfv rn is a greatway to try to manage your anger levels
icy sluice
Oh, I don't have Palpatine flipping as an emoji
strong parrot
balmy condor
main grove
dense bone
anyone want to be my pocket med... i mean ... friend that revives the shit out of me?
modern sedge
negatory boss, wrong platform
sonic rampart
Pocket medic, more like ‘a friendly medic which happens to stick with me and revive me instantly after I die’
midnight nimbus
he'd still be >4 K/D if he never got revived
sonic rampart
solid hinge
Ayla is going to bomb the toilet
dense bone
oof that spm and kpm though
scenic beacon
@dense bone sure, I’ll po- help you out!
balmy condor
modern sedge
run a hacksaw ridge and dont use weapons
dense bone
tea youll be my "friend that revives the shit out of me?"
midnight nimbus
2 KPM infy is pretty damn good in BFV
raw orbit
id play nyphon if you was EU 😔
scenic beacon
Sure!
dense bone
aww thanks bud
queen canopy
Is it over?
balmy condor
@dense bone hit me up 😘
scenic beacon
Mhm
sleek tartan
@dense bone without any revives, 4.42 KD. Not just from him, from any player in the game
balmy condor
dense bone
yay another "friend that revives the shit out of me"!
wait.. your kdr dropped by 5!
what would happen to your spm and kpm?
sleek tartan
nothing? xD
main grove
balmy condor
shadow night
im better than both of you so get on my level and silence
dense bone
you think not dying more means you wouldnt lose on spm and spm?
man you really are delusional
main grove
Everyone pls
sleek tartan
It takes more time to be revived than to skip and spawn again
balmy condor
dense bone
lol sure
shadow night
it does
midnight nimbus
play a few rounds with your friends and sit in the water for that quad digit SPM
dense bone
because you spawn straight into the action
midnight nimbus
ez
sonic rampart
It takes more time to respawn and walk to the place of action tho
dense bone
^
raw orbit
takes more time than holding right click waiting for the countdown and running back to wherever you died
dense bone
this isnt rocket science guys
midnight nimbus
not if you squad hop either
icy sluice
@midnight nimbus Imagine if you could throw pouches while underwater
sleek tartan
and straight into the fight again
midnight nimbus
you can throw pouches underwater
sonic rampart
Well considering you have shit squadmates instead of your pocket medic
modern sedge
medic bag launcher when
balmy condor
wait u can
modern sedge
😳
sleek tartan
@icy sluice people won games in firestorm doing that
dense bone
ITS NOT A POCKET MEDIC TAV
sonic rampart
dense bone
its a friend that revives the shit out of them
raw orbit
BRUH
balmy condor
i don't go underwater that much
midnight nimbus
ppl unironically complaining when someone plays BF as intended
icy sluice
So two medics underwater can just throw pouches at each other and breathe water or does drowning kill too quickly?
main grove
let it go
dense bone
totally different
shadow night
u dont shower @balmy condor
balmy condor
midnight nimbus
you can breathe water if you're getting meds
icy sluice
That is quite funny tbh
main grove
Dude I can live in the sun as long as I got my meds
balmy condor
@shadow night
sleek tartan
@midnight nimbus its funnt isn't it. If you get revived by someone your stats are padded and blabla. If you just get revived by "your squad of regular players, who totally don't revive you all the time they can" it's fine lul
shadow night
nice metaphor
midnight nimbus
> people complain when there's no teamplay
> people complain when there's actual teamplay
shadow night
no
dense bone
youre doing mental gymnastics if you think thats what im saying
but youre kht
thats common
pliant escarp
panzerfaust is a german name so the bazooka can’t be a reskin like the grenades
sleek tartan
you're
dense bone
kht same dude that said 2 people should control and infantry unit
midnight nimbus
so if getting revived a lot is an intended part of the game, and getting revived a lot heavily boosts your K/D
balmy condor
sonic rampart
@dense bone 
midnight nimbus
having a good K/D is certainly a measure of how well you're playing the game as intended
🤔🤔🤔
balmy condor
brb getting more popcorn
dense bone
having a pocket... friend that revives you a shit load.. directly influences your stats positively
sonic rampart
‘As intended’
sleek tartan
ad hominems for you too @midnight nimbus
dense bone
im not complaining about the mechanics
main grove
Fuck this I’m gonna yeet and have a wash
sleek tartan
influence your stats is not the same as padding
shadow night
ok
sleek tartan
xDDDD
dense bone
im just pointing out the facts that having a pocket medic pads stats
sonic rampart
!!jumbo
ruby trailBOT
midnight nimbus
yeah, teamplay affects your stats, BF is a game all about how well you play as a team
raw orbit
good teamwork = do better at game whats the argument here
balmy condor
I need bepis
icy sluice
!!jumbogif 
ruby trailBOT
icy sluice
That should be better @sonic rampart
scenic beacon
balmy condor
sleek tartan
listen, padding stats is artificially and exploitively increasing stats. Anything outside of that is not padding.
dense bone
has kht played since 5.2?
midnight nimbus
how is it padding stats when it's a direct result of how well you're playing the game as intended
solid hinge
!!jumbo
sleek tartan
as having a friend that lets you kill him
solid hinge
WHY ISNT IT WORKING
icy sluice
!!regular
ruby trailBOT
The Regular role is earned by members who are active, welcoming and resourceful on the server.
icy sluice
That's why
dense bone
"how well youre playing the game as intended" as your pcket medic presses "revive" on you
midnight nimbus
padding K/D would be like the launch glitch where your campaign K/D counts as your MP K/D
main grove
Padding stats would be stuff like playing CO OP since their stats counted towards PVP for a while
dense bone
oh so good
midnight nimbus
how frequently you get revived is certainly influenced by you
sleek tartan
listen, the enemies also revive each other
sonic rampart
!!jumbo <638927740661399553>
ruby trailBOT
balmy condor
I'll become a regular.... if i remember
dense bone
"my pocket medic revived me, look how well i work on a team"
midnight nimbus
telling people how safe your revive is
sleek tartan
my god...
solid hinge
@icy sluice im not active, welcoming and resourceful on the server?
sonic rampart
Asking wont help
solid hinge
icy sluice
I didn't say that
scenic beacon
It really won’t
coarse thunder
It's pretty random
shadow night
ok
scenic beacon
Only rioting or the threat of riots helps
icy sluice
I just meant you don't have the role yet
solid hinge
I see
shadow night
riot riot aaa
shadow night
ok
main grove
scenic beacon
Anything for you, sweetie @icy sluice 😘
sonic rampart
flashbacks to the riot to get nyphon trusted
solid hinge
Lol
dense bone
good times
scenic beacon
Mhm
solid hinge
Aight boys and girls, i gtg see yall and GN
dense bone
adios
sonic rampart
night
scenic beacon
Cya
balmy condor
bye bye
solid hinge
modern sedge
Medic pouch launcher
dense bone
so i have 2 pocket me... friends who revive the shit out of me when i go to xbox?
tav what system you on?
sleek tartan
no one would stand you in a game for sure
modern sedge
so what's this argument about again
dense bone
already have ps4
sonic rampart
dense bone
ill go there for friends that will revive the shit out of me
scenic beacon
I’ll get it on pc JUST to po-revive you a shit ton
sonic rampart
dense bone
then i could have a slightly above average spm and kpm but think im dope because i have a super dope kdr because i have a friend that revives the shit out of me
shadow night
so what
sleek tartan
do you really think that's the case?
dense bone
totally not a pocket medic though
shadow night
i dont get it
dense bone
you will NOT be my pocket medics
sonic rampart
Ah shit here we Go again
dense bone
that is absurd
scenic beacon
Is “Nyphon’s Support” a good name?
dense bone
definitely
sleek tartan
it is xd
scenic beacon
Awesome