battlefield-legacy-titles

[solid hinge]

Can you imagine them having to justify each part in detail

[stoic breach]

[solid hinge]

Like I just want to see what they can come up with

[stoic breach]

Theres literally no way to justify it

[tough lodge]

Dice should post on r/amitheasshole

[idle breach]

not only the subreddit, everyone is asking for revert/5.2 is bad and the dev said they won't change it

just spamming REVERT REVERT won't really do nothin

[stoic breach]

The reason is literally because they want to get rid of everything modern BF players like and return the game to how it was

Before BF was a popular game

[tough lodge]

Am i the asshole
For releasing a game patch that no one liked

YTA

[main grove]

Because I can see myself as a DICE member and I would hate the community so much I would want to fuck with them

[prime pine]

Can i have the link to the threat where braddock responded?

[compact oxide]

Tbh everyone involved is the asshole

[prime pine]

If i was working in dice i would spill the beans

[idle breach]

afak I don't think he got threat on this day

[compact oxide]

The decision makers and the whiney peeps

[stoic breach]

gamers rise up

[compact oxide]

[main grove]

Most of the designers of games don't get a say in how it should be

[idle breach]

and after they actually fix the ttk, they would go back to whining about another stupid things

[compact oxide]

Exactly

[idle breach]

which they did for about a year and so,

like

nerf MMG

[main grove]

Game development in this day and age is fucking depressing and soul crushing

[idle breach]

nerf sniper

nerf tank

nerf plane

[prime pine]

I know of a way to nerf mmgs

[compact oxide]

Reddit is just a whiney karma chasing ass fest

[idle breach]

nerf this, nerf that, why is there a woman

why black man

why "god save the queen"

[prime pine]

Give their 10 first shots extreme recoil that'll settle down

[main grove]

Not like working in bungie in 2004 or anything

[idle breach]

gib free boin

[compact oxide]

I prefer discord where people just whine tbh

[idle breach]

at least asking for chauchat was plausible

90% of the whining on the sub is just pure trash

[solid hinge]

https://www.reddit.com/r/BattlefieldV/comments/euszfc/this_week_in_battlefield_v_january_27th_edition/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share

[compact oxide]

No karma and imaginary ranking in that way

[open surge]

:( hop on bf1, play one game of suez and then

it goes to dlc maps

[idle breach]

imaginary pilots "always" doing 60-0 without any "skillz"

[open surge]

[stoic breach]

Man I miss being able to play DLC maps

[open surge]

the curse of getting games late

[stoic breach]

The only BF1 server thats active is this trash fucking hardcore server run by a clan

[prime pine]

Here's how i saw it all. The instant we got the pacific the fire that dice has had created was reduced to extremely small patches that was cooling down. The instant 5.2 came out practically dice dropped a napalm bomb on those buildings and it is back to what is has always been

Thank you ayla

[stoic breach]

fuck hardcore, man

So shit

[open surge]

fuck it

[idle breach]

they're even like

[compact oxide]

@stoic breach apparently there's an issue in AUS where 95% of admins can't renew the servers in BF1 atm

[solid hinge]

The pacific was so good

[open surge]

i'll deal with lag on us servers

[stoic breach]

Wow

[solid hinge]

In terms of fanbase

[idle breach]

"I like they didn't do any DLC shit like before"

[compact oxide]

At least on PC

[stoic breach]

Yeah BF1 is gone

[solid hinge]

Everyone was pacified

The joy was palpable

[idle breach]

"but I want MTX cosmetics with my cc"

[stoic breach]

PC was probably the last stand as well

[idle breach]

PAYWALL BAD

[stoic breach]

xbox BF1 is fucked in OCE

[prime pine]

Can i get an honest opinion . Were you guys extremely happy with the state of battlefield the instant we got the pacific.

[open surge]

dlc is fine

[compact oxide]

BF1 on PC in OCE wasn't bad, had 3 servers up got a good while

[prime pine]

I gotta tank so i wont be able to write no more

[open surge]

the issue is, i bought bf1 last month

[compact oxide]

@prime pine nope

[open surge]

3 years late to the party

[prime pine]

(If you werent. Explain why if you may)

[stoic breach]

@prime pine Pacific made me hate the game even more

[compact oxide]

Played like 3 rounds after Pacific, found it as shit as it was in April when I stopped originally and left it

[open surge]

imma be real I forgot bf5 existed until I was buying games for my ps4

[stoic breach]

Bro

Just get Tekken 7

And 1v1 me

@open surge

[open surge]

don't like fighting games

[stoic breach]

[compact oxide]

Temtem guys

Gotta catch em all

[warm portal]

gotta be honest and i've said this before 5.2 ttk is not what kills the game for me

[stoic breach]

isnt temtem just upgraded pokemon

[warm portal]

no community servers, sheit balance, cheaters, bugs

[compact oxide]

@stoic breach yussss

[warm portal]

is what kills the game for me

[stoic breach]

based

[compact oxide]

It's early access and buggy af ATM but legit enjoyable

[stoic breach]

ye

[open surge]

i can't even connect to non oce servers apparently

[stoic breach]

dude

[compact oxide]

The lack of team swapping and auto balance at all is freaking garbage

[stoic breach]

Install Titanfall 2

And 1v1 me

[open surge]

nah

[stoic breach]

cause Ayla wont

[warm portal]

i feel annoyed alot playing bf5 and it's honestly not worth it when can just have straight up a good time with other games

[stoic breach]

COWWARd

I cant play Titanfall 2 with nobody

[open surge]

that's my issue too

[stoic breach]

[solid hinge]

I honestly didnt like Pacific cause I felt like the vehicle grind sucked and breakthrough on the maps was kind of a slog

[open surge]

i just can't enjoy bf5 lol

[warm portal]

i can have fun with bf5 for sure, but then the server crashes, a cheater joins, it changes to a horrible map that kills the server

etc. etc. etc.

i can go on for literally hours with this stuff

[solid hinge]

pacific storm first sector breakthrough is legitimately awful

[warm portal]

and that is ultimately killing the game

and that's also why no matter how good a job dice does balancing the weapons 5.0 or 5.2 or 6.2

[solid hinge]

^

[warm portal]

it will not save the game from dying

they need to adress the other issues

[compact oxide]

There's too much to address

[stoic breach]

The pacific maps in general are serious boomer maps

[compact oxide]

They'd have to rebuild from scratch so I gave up hope long ago and have only been proven right so far

[stoic breach]

Theres maybe a small chance that 1917 made people want to play BF1 again

But other than that, no hope

[main grove]

I mean having to work on a 2 year release cycle means that they will never be able to fully complete a game before its finished

[compact oxide]

I dunno, BF1 was pree okay

After the first year it was smooth and just had DLC content stuff with some balancing patches

BFV has been rocky the entire time

[warm portal]

i mean they started on a marketing disaster

then put a lot of work into a mode they abandoned

[compact oxide]

Marketing doesn't change the fact the game sucked from a development standpoint

[main grove]

Bf1 had more time

[warm portal]

i dont think the game sucked honestly

[main grove]

Since another studio made hard-line

[warm portal]

for me personally bf5 has a really solid base frame

i liked the direction it took

and so did alot of people

[main grove]

I can still enjoy the game like it flucutaes between a 6 to a 7 out of 10 even though everyone makes it out as a 3 out of 10

[stoic breach]

It all probably sounded interesting

[solid hinge]

as I keep saying a) this happens just about everytime with a new battlefield and b) BF1 had timing on its side, BFV had very bad timing

[stoic breach]

And telling players that they'd be playing a more tactical game just made people feel smart

I guess

[prime pine]

Dice just keeps on hitting the frame with its fucking schlong and tries to pick up the pieces

[warm portal]

basically yeah

lol

[open surge]

i like having to play on servers with a million ping

cos ded game

[warm portal]

i mean with the pacific update bf5 seemed to be finally on track

before they threw everything overboard

again

[stoic breach]

Even then not really

[warm portal]

at least more then before

[stoic breach]

There were the bugs and everything that people were taking issue with

Plus all the problems in the game that people still hate

Then pacific drops and everyone forgets those problems

[solid hinge]

It was hope I guess

[warm portal]

dont think people forget, but giving a solid content update for the base game

[tawdry arrow]

respawn glitches has been happening since launch and i dont think dice has ever even mentioned a solution

[solid hinge]

People were like "oh sick we have cool content now they can start fixing things"

[warm portal]

felt like a good step

[stoic breach]

pretty much

[solid hinge]

and then dice thought fixing meant breaking

[warm portal]

unlike the battle royale stuff

[stoic breach]

Hope is all it is

[solid hinge]

unfortunate mistake

lets see .. lets launch the first battlefield with women in it right after that massive polarization around woke women and SJW bashing, include some poor marketing choices and combine it with a live service that will piss off all the people who like instant gratification and a game design that de emphasizes lone wolfing and an UI that departs from the traditional battlefield UI

what could go wrong

[warm portal]

you know even then

the game wasnt beyond saving not by a long shot

[stoic breach]

Instant gratification isnt even the problem with live service

[compact oxide]

I'd argue the women thing wasn't an issue except for the vocal minority

[stoic breach]

Live service is just getting promised that something is gonna happen

[idle breach]

look at the youtube channel and people are still bashing about feminish shit

[compact oxide]

Most people were adult enough to say it's just a game

[warm portal]

i dont know derrikk

[idle breach]

most of them don't even play the game

[tawdry arrow]

you guys should read some of the things former dice workers have said about them, it kinda explains why bf5 is in the state its in right now

[stoic breach]

At least with DLC theres this expectation that you'll get what you paid for

[warm portal]

i personally would much prefer to not have women in the game the way they are implemented

im not gonna throw a hissyfit about it

[compact oxide]

The issue I see was the reaction to that asshole hate from the CMs at the time

[warm portal]

and its not going to stop if the game is solid

but still i wasnt a big fan

then ofcourse the comments made by EA and dice

were just pure stupidity

[compact oxide]

The crap around "don't like it don't buy it" and such was a bit of a snarky thing to do, not professional at all

[warm portal]

really no other way to say that

[solid hinge]

I guess what I am saying is when you just look at the game play, other than this TTK mess, its still a fun game.

[compact oxide]

Eh, I never preferred the gameplay imo

[stoic breach]

The gameplay in general can still be fun, but it really isnt as solid as previous battlefield games

[compact oxide]

It was a straight downgrade in enjoyment from bf1 and bf4

[warm portal]

for me it was a straight upgrade

i mean thats always a personal thing isnt it

[idle breach]

gunplay is better than bf1

[stoic breach]

Attrition ruining gadget and class balance, and making medics tanks, giving medics SMGs, dumbing down vehicle gameplay while advertising it as more tactical

Pretty much dumbing down gameplay in general and calling it more tactical and difficult

Oh yeah, nerfing recon into oblivion

buffing planes after shitter pilots complained about AA being too strong in BF1

Nerfing AT because of bad tankers complaining about AT in BF1

[warm portal]

pilots always complain though

thats what they do

lol

[stoic breach]

Listening to complaints and not taking their advice is still valid

But they took their advice too

so the game had poo poo plane vs infantry balance for 11 months

Map design is another issue as well

Large maps dont get enough cover so they're great for vehicles and not infantry

Assymetrical maps arent super bad

If they're done well

[raw orbit]

Vehicle frogs complaining that they can't farm infantry just because they clicked the tank on the spawn screen fastest

[warm portal]

i give bf5 a pass on maps

it has some sheitty ones

but also some of the greatest of all time

i can play devastation until i die and it will never bore me

[stoic breach]

I know its opinion based, but I would disagree

Devastation is like the one exception

[warm portal]

its hands down my favorite map in the whole franchise

[stoic breach]

Because its basically a rearranged BF1 map

Devastation is just slightly worse Prise De Tahure from BF1

Same flag layout, but with less cover

[open surge]

devastation actually looks like it belongs in a world war 2 game

oops

[stoic breach]

But yeah I do quite like Devastation

Too bad visibility in BFV is still shit

[open surge]

man fuck this lag

why does bf1 have to be a 2016 game

[stoic breach]

So like, it just ends up playing horribly sometimes

Idk man

Really do be like that

[warm portal]

i honestly have absolutely no problem with visibility in devastation

where that gets me really bad is narvik

[stoic breach]

I shouldve bought revolution edition on PS4 when it was $10

[warm portal]

i would probably like narvik alot more

[open surge]

same

[warm portal]

but i have SUCH problem seeing people in the house ruins on that mpa

i literally have ptsd about going on c

[stoic breach]

Narvik is just a worse version of one of the russian maps

And the russian maps are already bad

In BF1

Because its bad map design combined with bad visibility

[raw orbit]

Bruh u better not be dissing tsaritsyn

[warm portal]

another map that gets me sometimes is marita

[stoic breach]

No it was the river one

[warm portal]

the brits just blend perfectly into that cholor scheme on D

[stoic breach]

Brusilov Keep

Narvik is just worse Brusilov Keep

[solid hinge]

Marita was the first map that genuinely made me wonder if the devs were playing the same game

[stoic breach]

Marita has some of the worst visibility of any FPS game in general

[solid hinge]

The sheer number of bushes and bits of shitty foliage that are exactly the same colour as the players

[stoic breach]

Good idea making the map the same colour as the players

[warm portal]

i do like the mpa honestly

[solid hinge]

plus it has fucking AWFUL balancing on breakthrough

[warm portal]

i mean im a hardcore infantry player

[idle breach]

bfv fits in the alignment chart of games of..

[stoic breach]

Yeah Marita is an ok map

[idle breach]

"chaotic bad"

[stoic breach]

Just terrible visibility

[warm portal]

but spotting brits on D i can feel how much longer it takes my brain sometimes

[idle breach]

"chaotic confused"

[stoic breach]

Yeah

Lol

[idle breach]

most of the EA games are "lawful bad"

[stoic breach]

BFV players when they say "Just use your eyes"

[idle breach]

but bfv is "chaotic bad"

[stoic breach]

Ok

[open surge]

chaotic chaos

[stoic breach]

"Use your eyes" vs "making it easy to see so you can just focus on shooting"

epic

BFV players when they say remove 3D spotting

[warm portal]

overall im not too miffed about the visibility though

[stoic breach]

Ok how about replacing 3D spot with good art design

Too bad that didnt happen

[warm portal]

i dont mind overlooking someone occasionally

it's annoying but it doesnt happen THAT often

[stoic breach]

I find it pretty fuckin annoying to not be able to see people in an FPS game

Plus the monitor I played with didnt have very good contrast settings

[warm portal]

it really only happens of the cholor palette allows it and the guy is camping prone for me

[stoic breach]

And there was no way I was going to get a new monitor for one game

[warm portal]

thats not that often

[stoic breach]

It was pretty often on console

[solid hinge]

I mistake people for corpses constantly

[stoic breach]

Oh yeah that

[open surge]

same

[stoic breach]

Corpses move around more than prone players do

[solid hinge]

Or corpses for people

[stoic breach]

Because dead bodies are animated

[idle breach]

we need DECAPATATION

so we can tell the body is DEAD

decap

itation

[warm portal]

something that did happen to me like that was that i actually mistook an elite skin once for one of my team

[stoic breach]

I would just prefer if players had really subtle outlines on them if you looked at them long enough

[warm portal]

he was at the border of my sight basically and the color palette was fitting my team

didnt realize that was an elite skin at all

[stoic breach]

yeah rip

[warm portal]

that felt really fucky

[solid hinge]

sometimes I see an elite and I have to use the comm rose to do a voice line to remind myself what team im on

[idle breach]

if it bleeds you kill

[solid hinge]

I wish, but bad hitreg says otherwise

[stoic breach]

Lmao

Yeah, if players had subtle outlines while they were alive, and those outlines disappeared if the player was dead or more than 30m away, it would be nice

Cause then you have this sort of almost subconscious visual feedback for enemy players

Actually, probably more than 15m away but its based on your zoom level

So using a scope or aiming would extend the outlines

So its intuitive and appears according to your screen

[raw orbit]

That's what player lighting is lol

[stoic breach]

BF1 was especially good with it

dude player lighting is really great on bright maps

[prime pine]

Dice could literally simply just add gadgets to classes to differenciate then. E.g for assault have their launcher on their back and mines/tnt on their hip.

[stoic breach]

Love it when players are the same brightness as the sun and blend in anyways

[prime pine]

Medic bandages on their hip or a box on their back

[stoic breach]

yeah thats what it should be

[prime pine]

Support same deal

[stoic breach]

medics should get crutches back

[prime pine]

Recon with the spawn beacon on their back

It will work with the cosmwtics

[stoic breach]

yeah it would

Also different footstep noises maybe

Like for support if you could hear slight rattling from ammo box or something

Just alot of different ways for players to identify eachother

[idle breach]

R6 sigeg has good sound

seige

siege

[stoic breach]

Audio is probably the thing that Siege does best

And probably one of the only things it does well

[light radish]

scope on m1919 when

[idle breach]

it also does well on making people look stupid as fuck

[light radish]

I like the removal of 3d spotting in BFV

cuz in BF1 if you got spotted youre probably gonna get hit by a mortar in the next few seconds

[prime pine]

The only thing that diffrrenciates classes in the psoture

Posture

[solid hinge]

I dislike spamming rb to see enemies but I wish it was easier to see enemies

[harsh elbow]

MFW anticheat

[light radish]

wait how do you spot in BFV

yeah so you cant just look at someone hit a key and spot like in bf1

yeah but no 3dspotting or any of that bullshit

[gloomy kraken]

Little over 4 hours till the trailer.

[harsh elbow]

[stoic breach]

3D spot didnt have to be spammy, just reworked

It was reworked and was in the game's code, but it wasnt used

[prime pine]

You shouldnt need to spot people that you cant see

[stoic breach]

The 3D spot rework was ADS passive spot

[prime pine]

I really like the ads passive spot

[stoic breach]

No spot spam

[prime pine]

It tells you the health

[stoic breach]

Yeah, the 5.2 passive "spot" wasn't actually a 3D spot

It was just ADS personal icon

[harsh elbow]

What if you wanted to have fun

But dice said

No anti cheat

[solid hinge]

Excuse me,for those who knows weapons in battlefield 3,battlefield 4,battlefield 1 and battlefield 5;
If battle rifles are always select fire or full automatic,why were those semi automatic rifles called battle rifles?:
L1A1 SLR,M1 Garand,SVT-40,Gewer 43,MAS-49,SLEM-1 and KAL1
Why aren't these following semi automatic rifles called battle rifles?
PTR 91,Kel-tec RFB and SOCOM II

[harsh elbow]

Curious

Hm

I guess its because battle rifles are an old name for semi autos

[raw orbit]

No anti cheat. That's the reply.

[harsh elbow]

[solid hinge]

Ah ok,thanks,Panzerfaust

[harsh elbow]

Since the battle rifle phrase was introduced when semi autos dropped in

I dont think manufacturers knew what to call it

I could be wrong

[spare carbon]

real noob question but i cannot find how/where you unlock previous ToW weapons with CC

[solid hinge]

Ah ok,thanks toasted Lysanya

[gloomy kraken]

@spare carbon from the main menu go to the edit class screen and change your weapon, they are in that list.

[solid hinge]

didn't jackfrags just do a video about that?

[harsh elbow]

Probably

Knowing jack, probably

Jack does a video on everything

[spare carbon]

they are not there

[harsh elbow]

Top ten BFV rocks

[spare carbon]

no grease gun, no bar

no nothing only the Lvl locked i didn't unlock yet

[harsh elbow]

There is a unhealthy ammount of hackers in BFV

I havent touched it since

[gloomy kraken]

Then BFV is again bugged by not showing the guns.

[spare carbon]

i'll restart the game

[jovial scarab]

battle rifles are classified more to the bullet size rather than select fire capability

[harsh elbow]

That also

But then how would that affect the difference?

[spare carbon]

to what class is the grease gun tied?

[jovial scarab]

you can get full auto m14's and scar-h's irl

[solid hinge]

Ah ok,thanks,NightElfjim

[gloomy kraken]

Medic

[jovial scarab]

no worries my dude

[spare carbon]

weird all i see is Type 2A

[prime pine]

Another way here? : O

Wouldnt the fg42 be a battle rifle technically?

[shy badger]

Noot noot

I think it's a hybrid between an AR and lmg no?

Or am I confusing it with something else

[open totem]

[prime pine]

Noot noot blackout!

I mean it is a machine gun

But i dont think you could Catogorise it as anything besides that

Yeah the fg42 is a battle rifle

Is fires rifle rounds

But in a fully automatic fashion

[stoic breach]

FG42 would be classified as a Battle Rifle nowadays

[solid hinge]

Hhmmm ok,what about HK M27 IAR?
Light machine gun are not rifles,is it true?

[harsh elbow]

Who knows

Heckler and Koch work in mysterious ways

[quasi aspen]

is turner smle 3-4 shots kill?

[stoic breach]

Yeah

[quasi aspen]

thanks

[stoic breach]

Unless its a 3-5 in 5.2

I hope not

[tough lodge]

2 hours and 53 minutes till disappointment

[open surge]

can you burn away all the foliage on the pacific maps

[tough lodge]

overclock your pc then its gonna be good

[stoic breach]

@open surge have you ever heard of BFV roblox mode

[open surge]

nop

[tough lodge]

phantom forces

[stoic breach]

Legendary config that removed foliage from the game and set the game graphics to "roblox"

[open surge]

[stoic breach]

Its bannable now

But it was a heroic act

[tough lodge]

Jackfrags vid

[harsh elbow]

despite Phantom forces having a better anti cheat than BFV

[stoic breach]

You could defy the game and destroy everyone because you could see better than everyone else in the lobby

[tough lodge]

i was in school lab when I first played phantom forces with my classmates last year

They were wondering why im so good at the game

[stoic breach]

I actually prefer Krunker over Phantom Forces

[harsh elbow]

Im rank 43 on it

[tough lodge]

i showed them my bf4 stats

0.84 kd

[stoic breach]

Lol

Yea

[harsh elbow]

[stoic breach]

PH is basically BF4 with better hitboxes and worse weapon balance

[tough lodge]

well, I do have 1.30 kd in bfv now

[stoic breach]

No vehicles

Worse maps

But meme-tier gameplay makes it worth playing

[tough lodge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/446371403445436426/670627591623016458/glaicinedustin.png

[stoic breach]

Snipers have no scope glint which is really fucking stupid

[harsh elbow]

You want balance?

FUCK that

[stoic breach]

And grenades have too much base spread so they're just really annoying to use

[tough lodge]

What if

[harsh elbow]

just ask the HK21

Or the BFG 50

[tough lodge]

You wanted to defend wake island breakthrough

[harsh elbow]

Or the Hecate

[tough lodge]

But dice said

[stoic breach]

BFG50 lol

[tough lodge]

American tanks!

[stoic breach]

fucking fun weapon

[harsh elbow]

The BFG is a meme cannon

It's unlocked so early too

[stoic breach]

Its not even unbalanced in terms of weapon design

Its just the fact theres no scope glint

[harsh elbow]

Yuo

Yuo

Snipers are pretty easy to find if theyre bad

Just listen to the clap

[stoic breach]

Yeah

[open surge]

what if you wanted to defend on breakthrough as japanese but god said

"sherman"

"8 damage faust"

[harsh elbow]

Then you can just track them down

[stoic breach]

I like how PH snipers are better balanced than Battlefield despite still needing headshots

Because heads are 1/3 of the hitbox

Its epic

[harsh elbow]

Chonk headshots

The scary thing is

If you put a sight on the BFG

Its broken

Its stupidly op

[stoic breach]

I dont really think its OP cause you spend as much time shooting as you do reloading the damn thing

[harsh elbow]

Thats true

[stoic breach]

And its not like entire lobbies will use it

When the KSG exists

[harsh elbow]

But then we have stuff like the Hecate and M107

KSG isnt that bad

Its shit like the stevens and the KS23M

With slugs

[stoic breach]

KSG isnt bad, its just really fucking annoying to die to

And its easy to use, thats why people use it

[harsh elbow]

I barely see the KSG anymore

[tough lodge]

Anyone tried m870 frag with acog in bf4?

Or slug

[stoic breach]

Nah

[harsh elbow]

Nop

[stoic breach]

Oh man, I forgot PH has BF4 shotguns

[tough lodge]

i saw a youtube vid before p using it

I tried it but it sucks

people hated me in bf4 back then

M249 + flir

[harsh elbow]

Yup

[stoic breach]

I only ever used bolt actions and played Op Locker

[harsh elbow]

PH has pre nerf 10-A hunter

[stoic breach]

Because they're just meme sticks

[tough lodge]

people asked admin to kick me, but admin said its ok for me to do it

Ez 40+ kills

Lumphini garden

[stoic breach]

lul

10-A Hunter still isnt that good of a shotgun

gib 12G Auto over 10A any day

Its just way more fun to use

[tough lodge]

What was your favorite infantry map in bf4?

Mine was lumphini

[harsh elbow]

The most annoying shotgun in PF is either the M870 or the SAiga

[stoic breach]

Only DLC I had was Second Assault

[tough lodge]

I bought bf4 way back in 2016 august

I had no idea what dlc's are

But they gave it all away since bf1 was coming that time

I was like ok

[stoic breach]

Yeah I only got to download Second Assault

[tough lodge]

Cant deny free stuff

[stoic breach]

And it was on 360

So I couldnt even get the DLC on xbox one when I got one

[tough lodge]

but tbh tho, dlc splits player base

[stoic breach]

Yeah its annoying, but I would take DLC over what BFV currently does

Free maps + paid weapons / skins would be great going forward though

[tough lodge]

Wish m2 carbine is on ch 6

And jap garand

So i can have my faction specific japanese

Weapons

[stoic breach]

Faction specific weapons still cant really be done

Cause some faction weapons are just way better than others

[tough lodge]

i just use them for my own

[gray saffron]

inbalance is always a part of ww2 though.

[viscid crater]

Playing with faction based weapons would really be limiting yourself, and make the game not fun.

[gray saffron]

a faction specific gun mode would be neat

[stoic breach]

I mean, faction specific can be ok for players to impose on themselves

[tough lodge]

It will be in future community games

I read it somewhere

But

[stoic breach]

But in terms of BFV weapon balance, some faction weapons are just way better than others

[tough lodge]

Yea i noticed it

[gray saffron]

i'm using faction specific guns for each faction. makes it feel a bit more varied than grabbing the ol' thompson or always the kar98 etc

[raw orbit]

Trying to not use the 2A on the allies

[tough lodge]

My play style is different in every faction

Japanese and brits i play defensive since their mg's have low rpm

[open totem]

tf did i just win

[tough lodge]

Then americans and germans i play aggresive since they have high rof guns

For support class*

[open surge]

jap guns on american side makes sense

just imagine they're captured

[tough lodge]

Yea i do it sometimes

My jap assault has garand

[solid hinge]

Excuse me,since battle rifle is not a clear definition,why can't we say that FN SCAR H,FN FAL,HK G3 and ARX200 are just automatic rifles(since they're not assault rifle) while L1A1 SLR,KAL 1,Kel-tec RFB and PTR 91 are just semi automatic?

[open surge]

but then you realise that 2 of the 3 launchers are german

one of which is a prototype

[tough lodge]

I use pzfaust on axis

Piat on allies

[raw orbit]

Bruh if it's a rifle and it's made for battle it's a battle rifle

[open surge]

battle rifle is used relating to bullets

usually using the full 7.62mm bullet

[tough lodge]

What is the caliber of an average battle rifle

[open surge]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_rifle

[viscid crater]

Scar Heavy is an assault rifle I believe. Shoots 7.62.

[tough lodge]

Well the ak also shoots 7.62

[solid hinge]

Hmmmm ok thanks guys

[tough lodge]

Russian weapons in general

[viscid crater]

Well that's what the H means is Heavy

and L for Light

SCAR L shoots 556

[solid hinge]

@raw orbit @open surge excuse me,are light machine guns rifles or not?

[tough lodge]

Do germans still name their smg's MP to this day?

[gray glade]

with that new chinese plague going on now, thank god dice gave us all these gasmasks

[viscid crater]

FAL is an SLR

[tough lodge]

@solid hinge it is an automatic rifle

[viscid crater]

No a light machine gun is not a rifle

[stoic breach]

German SMGs are still named MP

[viscid crater]

It's a machine gun

[open surge]

@solid hinge no...they're light machine guns

[solid hinge]

Ah ok,thanks Dustin Hans

[shy badger]

@gray glade Too soon? :D

[viscid crater]

AR doesn't mean assault rifle either

It stands for armalite rifle

[stoic breach]

Because theres no german transliteration for "sub-machinegun"

[tough lodge]

the bar is classified as an LMG, but also an Automatic Rifle

[gray glade]

@shy badger definitely not

[solid hinge]

@viscid crater ooh ok,thanks,but they have the same ammunition as rifles,don't they?

[tough lodge]

@solid hinge there are different kinds of rifle

[gray glade]

as long as the disaster is not in my own country its up for a joke

[viscid crater]

Yes they do

[shy badger]

Haha fair enough

[viscid crater]

M249 is a light machine gun shoots 556

[solid hinge]

Ah ok,Dustin Hans

[viscid crater]

M240B is a medium machine gun shoots 762

[tough lodge]

What do you call an assault rifle?

[viscid crater]

M2 .50cal is a heavy machine gun shoots .50 cal lol

Assault rifle definition is really a muddied up term

[stoic breach]

Isnt assault rifle basically just a nickname

[tough lodge]

it is made by germans

sturm gewehr

[open surge]

the fuck do I do against the armada of tanks on pacific storm

as japan

[tough lodge]

literally translates to assault rifle

@open surge kamikaze

[shy badger]

@open surge Planes

[tough lodge]

works everytime

[viscid crater]

But typically the true definition for assault rifle is a rifle you can select between semi and automatic rates of fire

[solid hinge]

@viscid crater since light machine gun is not a rifle,isn't M27 IAR just an automatic rifle?(Like BAR and FG42)

[viscid crater]

That are also magazine fed and shoulder fired

M27 isn't a real gun

It's the H&K 416

just like M416 isn't a real gun

[gray glade]

i heard that the original definition of the assault rifle, was what it says... a rifle for assaults, meaning you can use it on the move etc

[viscid crater]

It is also an H&K 416

[solid hinge]

@viscid crater ah ok,thanks

[viscid crater]

has a free floating barrel chambered in 556

[tough lodge]

For me tho

An assault rifle should be

[viscid crater]

stermgewher means storm rifle

Basically translates to assault rifle

So yeah you could say it's something to use on the move

But it relates to a rapid firing weapon

[open surge]

spicy spawn right next to a lvt

[solid hinge]

In battlefield 4,there's a weapon called Magpull PDR classified as a submachine gun
Apparently,it's not a SMG,it's a subcarbine

[tough lodge]

-light enough to be carried anywhere
-cartridge not lower than a pistol caliber and not higher as battle rifles or hmg's
-select fire

[viscid crater]

Magpull is just a brand

[tough lodge]

Also

What is a carbine?

how does it differentiate to ar's?

[solid hinge]

Ah ok,i thought rifle caliber PDW is subcarbine

[viscid crater]

PDW is personal defense weapon

But I'm not sure what defines a weapon as such

A knife could be a pdw lol

But I'm sure they have guidelines

[solid hinge]

Ah ok

[viscid crater]

Carbine is a weapon with a shorter barrel

So you have the M16A4, and M$ carbine

M4

M4 is basically just an m16 with a shorter barrel

[low totem]

I FINALLY WON

YAY

[viscid crater]

subcarbine could be an smg with an even shorter barrel

Well, in terms of an smg like the pdw

Or vector I believe

[solid hinge]

@viscid craterAh ok,thanks excuse me,in battlefield 5,the BAR and FG42 are unique rifles,right?As you just said that light machine gun is not a rifle(but they're classified as light machine gun)

There are no modern equivalents of FG42 and M1918 BAR

[viscid crater]

I think the BAR and FG42 are considered LMGs because of cailber and ROF

But BAR does stand for Browning Automatic Rifle

So there is a perfect example of definitions getting muddied up

There aren't any equivalents because they were pretty much shitty ww2 weapons lol

[solid hinge]

Ah ok,thanks,they are the only light machine guns considered as rifle,it's really confusing since you confirmed me that light machine gun is not a rifle,excuse me @viscid crater

[viscid crater]

For the most part machine guns aren't typically ever rifles.

BF3 classified the m27 as a machine gun

But it's not

[solid hinge]

Ah ok,thanks IIDUNN

[viscid crater]

The BAR and FG42 could be considered machine guns if they fire from the open bolt, and also have a bipod.

So I guess it could work

[solid hinge]

Ah ok,thanks for telling me
I guess battlefield games is closed to real life
But battlefield 4 featured a lever action rifle if i'm not wrong
But it won't feature semi automatic clones of assault rifle,submachine gun and light machine gun
I mean:5.56 nato semi auto rifle,pistol caliber carbine and belt fed rifle/squad semi automatic weapon

(They are the civilian market weapons)

[viscid crater]

Well they had the SAW

and M27

Which are Squad Automatic Weapons

Which is what SAW means lol

[prime pine]

Oh yeah the mares leg

[solid hinge]

Ah ok

[prime pine]

Which was actually good in cte but they changed it to be a glorified 44. magnum.

[viscid crater]

I feel like a lot of the definitions are the same though

Battle rifle

assault rifle

a cylinder shotgun can also be considered an assault rifle

[solid hinge]

Hmmm,could we consider a submachine gun as a full automatic pistol caliber carbine or even 9mm full automatic rifle ?

[main grove]

A pistol carbine is kind of a misnomer

Since a carbine is usually something that shoots a rifle or intermediate cartridge that has been shortened

[viscid crater]

And a pistol it not automatic

by default

[main grove]

I used to differentiate SMGs from machine pistols

But that really isn't a thing

The Germans call every SMG a machine pistol

MP5 is a machine pistol

[viscid crater]

Even a full sized mp5?

mp5k would be a subcarbine

[main grove]

What do you think MP stands for

[dire finch]

Multi potatoes

[solid hinge]

Ah ok,thanks RankestDweller ans IIDUNN

[viscid crater]

minepraft

[main grove]

Mp5k is still just an SMG

There was gonna be a new weapon class in the dawn of the 21st century

And that's PDW

[viscid crater]

Right but it's H&K which is why it would be referred to as a machine pistol lol

[solid hinge]

An assault rifle like weapon without buttstock and a SMG like weapon without buttstock are AR style machine pistols if i'm not wrong

[viscid crater]

Because like you said, germans call all smgs machine pistols

[main grove]

But that is specifically a sort of SMG that shoots a new kind of bullet

[viscid crater]

Even though it's not

[main grove]

They were gonna shoot pistol cartridges that are rifle shaped

Like the P90 or MP7

But they didn't take off

[solid hinge]

@viscid crater @main grove there are no AR machine pistols in real life,right?Battefield games has never featured that

[main grove]

What do you mean by AR machine pistols

Do you mean PDW's

I'm pretty sure BF4 had the P90

[solid hinge]

@main grove well AR machine pistols are pistols which looks exactly like an assault rifle or a SMG without buttstock

[viscid crater]

It did

[solid hinge]

Take example of MP5K @main grove

[main grove]

I don't think that's a thing

Mp5k is just a more compact SMG

[viscid crater]

mp5k is a subcarbine basically

[main grove]

AR implies it shoots 5.56mm or something

[viscid crater]

Not necessarily

a cylinder shotgun is also an ar

[main grove]

That is what an AR is

An AR is defined mostly by its bullet

Which is an intermediate cartridge

Which is a slightly scaled down version of a rifle bullet

[solid hinge]

Ah ok,thanks guys

[main grove]

Before WW2 there were almost no in between

[viscid crater]

Mostly by the bulllet but not always

[main grove]

It was wither a pistol bullet or a rifle bullet

[viscid crater]

Like i said cylinder shotguns are also ARs

[main grove]

How is a cylinder shotgun an AR

It's using shells

Not intermediate cartridges

[viscid crater]

Intermediate cartidges doesn't strictly define a weapon as an AR

fire mode mostly does

[main grove]

They pretty much do

[viscid crater]

semi and auto capability

[main grove]

What would you call an FG42

It's not an LMG

[viscid crater]

Lol we were just talking about this

[main grove]

It wasn't considered at the time

But it fits the description of a battle rifle

Which is like an AR but shoots full sized rifle bullets

Like FAL or G3

[viscid crater]

Sorry was on the phone

I don't consider the FG42 to be an lmg

But I would if it fired from the open bolt, and also because it has a bipod

But it's also select fire as well, which would make it closer to an assault rifle, or even a SAW

It was basically a SAW like the M249 or the 416

But for a weapon to classify as an assault or battle rifle the weapon must be select fire

First and foremost

Then it must have a magazine and a stock

[solid carbon]

is the new armory update really boins only?

[gray saffron]

we dunno. they sometimes add new outfits or weapon skins for cc

[solid hinge]

there are other outfits in the armoury, that is referencing the new bundle

[gray saffron]

oh they added the armory update. didn't realize. yeah new bundle is boins only. but there are two collector weapons and two american/japanese outfits for cc. unless you already had those (squall and trooper)

interestingly, underground and final countdown are on sale? 250 instead of the usual 750

[prime pine]

Armoury update? : O

Dont spoilllll

I must witness it for myself

[warm portal]

do you guys remember that graphic when they introduced boins, that said you can unlock cosmetics with cc and can't unlock weapons with boins

[gray saffron]

it's been brought up plenty of times, don't need ot remember ;D

[warm portal]

just came to my mind when imperial asked if the new stuff is boins only lol

[gray saffron]

it's still an hour from the release of the trailer right?

[prime pine]

HOLY SHIT

Underground and final countdown for 250

[gray saffron]

hmhm 🙂

[prime pine]

I dont really want them but its surprising

[gray saffron]

i think it's a better price for single outfits imo xd

[prime pine]

Ohhh of course

Its that simple for them

[gray saffron]

hm?

[prime pine]

The sets

Thing

I wanted to see a dragon bundle too

OH OF COURSE TODAY IS TUESDAY

I COMPLETELY FORGOT THERE WAS AN ARMOURY UPDATE

[gray saffron]

yeaaah it's armory update day! ;D

[prime pine]

Dude. Ive been grinding so much i completely forgot

[gray saffron]

:<

what level are you now, bodbod?

[prime pine]

When you grind your game so hard you fucking forget what day it is

296, 3000 points to 297

[gray saffron]

damn you're just a mere cliff away from 300 😮

[prime pine]

Yeah!

Ill be streaming tomorrow and thursday

[gray saffron]

okay 🙂

[prime pine]

Ill quicklydo this and ill be back

there wego

So how ya doing jer?

Awwww he ran

I will commend dice for these discounts

[strong parrot]

Discount on boins?

[tribal cairn]

Armory update today?

What's the update?

[viscid crater]

I'm excited for the jungle map

[lament spoke]

Same

[tough lodge]

Im excited for 6.2

[eager shore]

Indeed. Jungle maps are fun. Especially if it has a lot of foliage.

[tribal cairn]

Well yes and no,

[viscid crater]

It's a perfect shotgun map

[tribal cairn]

I absolutely love jungle maps,

But I've seen my fair share of bush campers

[lament spoke]

Ambush 24/7

[eager shore]

True dat. But a game of cat and mouse in the bushes can be quite exciting.

[tribal cairn]

It can

[tough lodge]

Guys

[viscid crater]

Reminds me of Nam

[eager shore]

Happens occassionally on Pacific Storm.

Exactly, Nam not Nam.

[strong parrot]

You guys seen how much you're spotted now? Don't count on a jungle for cover

[tough lodge]

Chapter updates incudes all future content right?

Thats why they are data mined?

[lament spoke]

Will the map include flamethrowers so we can stuff them out the bushes

[tribal cairn]

I remember when we were 5 v 2 and we were constantly watching each other's backs and checking the bushes for any sneaky shotgunners or Medics

First time I legitimately saw teamwork in the game

Not gonna lie

[tough lodge]

1 hour and 3 minutes till disappointment bois

[lament spoke]

Oof

[tough lodge]

can someone send the full image of the youtube thumbnail

[lament spoke]

I saw teamwork during the run into the underground Metro

[tough lodge]

she's my waifu now

[lament spoke]

There is no way you can pass to that other side without working together.

[tribal cairn]

True

[lament spoke]

Although I wish we had artillery strikes

Kukuku

[eager shore]

Yeah, that's one of those times I'd let immersion slide and just let a supply drop or smoke barrage appear out of nowhere.

[tough lodge]

Wish the company was map specific instead of faction

[eager shore]

Kind of wish battlefield pickups were Reinforcements instead.

[tough lodge]

So I can wear different uniforms on different maps

[lament spoke]

I see

[tough lodge]

No pickups for eu maps lol

what would be possible pickup for eu maps

Germans could have flammenwerfer

[tribal cairn]

Imagine ship warfare

And a reinforcement could be the USS Iowa or some shit

[lament spoke]

Imagine plane Warfare for the American Japanese war

They did have many encounters

[cerulean plank]

1 MORE HOUR

[tough lodge]

@tribal cairn ohka bomb

[cerulean plank]

[tough lodge]

For reinforcement

[lament spoke]

Oh no😭

[tough lodge]

54 mins

[cerulean plank]

[tough lodge]

Till disapppointment

[cerulean plank]

i wish dice were that precise

[tough lodge]

ch 6 trailer prediction
-EA/DICE logos
-someone screaming (black screen)
-jungle map gameplay
-soldiers using upcoming weapons that will never be released
-tanks with sandbags (body customization )
-japs with katana
-someone with lunge mine
-american eu front teaser

[cerulean plank]

those weapons will be for ch7 ofc. we have learnt that by now.

bazooka and lunge mine

[lament spoke]

Yes

[solid hinge]

Hope they add new vehicles to chapter 6

[tough lodge]

sdb dive bomber

[solid hinge]

And that is

[tough lodge]

m3 tank

Ha-go

[cerulean plank]

ALll i want is water warfare or im done

[lament spoke]

The Bazooka is like a smaw but in its early stage

[tough lodge]

we already have american ships modeled

But not functional

[lament spoke]

For real though

[solid hinge]

40 minutes left and we will se

See

[tough lodge]

also, iwo jima cant have naval warfare

Its more fit on pacific storm and wake

[cerulean plank]

yea submarines and dreadnoughts will be a turnover for the game

[lament spoke]

🤔

[cerulean plank]

but no maps to play them

[tough lodge]

Reverted ttk would be turnover

[night ice]

Hello 🙂

[lament spoke]

Why is the planes so equal

[nova seal]

Guys

[solid hinge]

Ehh

[lament spoke]

We all know the Japanese planes we're out numbering and fighting the American planes at one point but yeah I could get in a cross here and shoot down a Japanese plane in 5 seconds

[hot drum]

47 kills 15 death only usin m1a1 carbine top of my team

👌

[cerulean plank]

remove type2A and we good

[prime pine]

https://youtu.be/WLFA8VXVkRQ

[nova seal]

I was using the Boys AT Rifle, and I got 40 kills, and people said I was hacking

L m a o

[solid hinge]

@lament spoke ik the japanese planes are so op agianst american planes

[prime pine]

Scared the shit out of me

When it was fired

[lament spoke]

Like it's really unfair

[solid hinge]

Yeah

[tough lodge]

its so sad thinking that forgotten weapons has to censor a swastika on their thumbnails otherwise they'd get demonitized

Youtube censoring history

[nova seal]

When you find a Sentry Kit in BF1 with the Villar

[lament spoke]

Lol

I never had one playing Battlefield 1 when you have people camping for the Juggernaut suit

[nova seal]

Dude, the Sentry Kit with the MG/08

Is bad

[cerulean plank]

Bf1 was something amazing

[lament spoke]

Man let me tell you that suit could take down a whole Squad and more

[prime pine]

The villar perosa was fucked

[tough lodge]

Back in 2016 people hated the female announcer

[nova seal]

I know

[cerulean plank]

ambiance in bf1 is unbeatable

[tough lodge]

I liked it

[cerulean plank]

[lament spoke]

Lol

[prime pine]

I didnt care about the female announcer

[tough lodge]

westie was an announcer

[prime pine]

I played bf1 in front of my dad and he said i was really brutal

[nova seal]

Bro, I loved camping at a Flamethrower Kit, or the Sentry kit, and once I see a person put it on, I bayonet Charge them.

[prime pine]

I dunno

[eager shore]

Mute annoucer gang rise up.

[prime pine]

Is stabbing people with a broken bottle really that brutal

I guess it is

[tough lodge]

Muting announcer lol

[lament spoke]

@nova seal that's what I really hated the most people charging at me when I'm putting on the suit

But I can understand you take an at risk for like 30 people I'm about to kill

[cerulean plank]

thats an entire team lol

[lament spoke]

I've done it before

;)

Who knows that Japanese tank that has 2 main guns

[tough lodge]

Back in bf4, you can customize vehicles without waiting for it to spawn

[lament spoke]

Oh yes

Now that's annoying

[open surge]

that confuses me

[tough lodge]

But since we are in ww2 now the technology is lost

[open surge]

why is there no customise vehicle option in bf5

[lament spoke]

Just to find someone taking the vehicle before you could customize it

[tough lodge]

Or not yet invented

Hmm

[solid hinge]

well nobody upvotes that request on reddit everytime it is posted

[lament spoke]

Well in customisations I mean upgrading or changing the load out

[eager shore]

I think in Battlefield 1 if you highlight an open vehicle slot, you'll still be entitled to the vehicle even when you customize it. Not sure if it's the same in V.

[tough lodge]

back in bf4, we had a "are you sure" screen when pressing redeploy button

[lament spoke]

Lol

[tough lodge]

but since we are in ww2 the technology is not invented yet

[plush flume]

Yeah Unit that’s still in BFV

[solid hinge]

I did a post about it in september on the official forums when it was really broken and they fixed it somewhat

still not ideal

[eager shore]

Yeah. So it's not so bad. But still not as user friendly as Battlefield 4's customization menu mid-game.

[tough lodge]

The next bf is modern

Hope its the same as bf4's customization

Shotgun acog

[lament spoke]

Please hope I wanted to be

[eager shore]

Who knows. The rumored Bad Company 3 is said to be set pre-modern I think?

[tough lodge]

Also, i want the helmet cam back in deploy screen

[open surge]

mare's leg sniper scope

[plush flume]

Yeah BF4 had the best in game customisation screen

[tough lodge]

dice camo

Was so annoying

For me as a flir user

[lament spoke]

Oh my God if they up the graphics in the next Battlefield

[tough lodge]

i hope they add night maps

[lament spoke]

I might as well be wearing a VR

[tough lodge]

shanghai and golmud night

[eager shore]

I'd love an urban Tokyo map.

[soft storm]

Is that trailer dropping at 9?

[plush flume]

They might upgrade the Frostbite engine for next gene. Remember that BF1 used the current frostbite first

[tough lodge]

10 pm utc +8

[plush flume]

Gen*

[tough lodge]

35 mins from now

[soft storm]

K

[void yarrow]

Waiting 2+ weeks for the armory to reset just for bad stuff to come out is the worst feeling in bfv

[strong parrot]

@soft storm that's what it said but... the trailer could be bugged

[void yarrow]

I want the die storm Jager to come out allready

[soft storm]

Not gonna watch it at the drop of it

[solid hinge]

I dont know what to expect in this trailer, ive been let down 2 many times that idk what to do

[soft storm]

I’ll watch it when I want

If they announce more elites I’m probably done

I don’t see why they would but this is dice

[candid marsh]

They said tank customisation is likely coming

[light pebble]

people who bought deluxe bfv should get the stuff in year 2 edition

[strong parrot]

Fix the ttk then I'll get excited about all the cool shit you'll show off that won't make it to the game

[candid marsh]

Finally

[eager shore]

To be fair, just about every live service shooter sells some sort of "elite operator" skin for real money.

[grave rune]

did anyone remember bf1943?

xd

[tough lodge]

We had auto assignment tracking in bf4 right?

[plush flume]

Can’t remember

[solid hinge]

I only use vehicles rn. My tiger takes 7hp from 1 panzerfaust

[lament spoke]

Yes

[tough lodge]

the only thing i remember you can track were rewards

[eager shore]

I actually played about 2 rounds of 1943 a few weeks ago. xP

[tough lodge]

Like weapons

[lament spoke]

Oh they should add Commanders

[tranquil citrus]

hello

[tough lodge]

damn

[lament spoke]

Like there was commanders in Battlefield 4

[solid hinge]

Hello ben

[tough lodge]

We travelled back in time so hard

[grave rune]

@eager shore It was my first Battlefield... i was 7 or 8 xD

[lament spoke]

Wouldn't that make sense for Battlefield 5

[tough lodge]

From 2020 to 1918

To 1940

[eager shore]

Oh you young boi, heh.

[tranquil citrus]

the trailer of the jungle map is almost here

[tough lodge]

We travelled so hard we lost the technology

[solid hinge]

Tbh it would have been so much better if they made invasion of poland instead of norway/greece

[tough lodge]

Trailer is 3:01 long

[lament spoke]

Lol

[tough lodge]

@solid hinge it would have been better if we had french/belgian/norweigian factions

[plush flume]

Gonna show the new map and some new weapons and maybe new vehicles

[tough lodge]

Or atleast models

[tranquil citrus]

also dutch

[prime pine]

31 mins bois

[bronze rose]

New trailer coming out.

[tranquil citrus]

would be cool speaking from Dutch perspective

[solid hinge]

@tough lodge 2 much to ask, But hey we have french woman elite hahahah

[tranquil citrus]

hyped btw

[lament spoke]

Wait then gunboats come out in Nam

[bronze rose]

Everyone in the chat is mentioning the old ttk lol

[tough lodge]

I kinda want it like this