#battlefield-legacy-titles

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brave coral
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Bc who could forget him

main grove
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And Amanda

icy sluice
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I know Frank James and Edward, as well as all of the Tom and Jerry characters

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and... no, not the cartoon

main grove
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Adam on their German side is called Kurt I think

icy sluice
gloomy kraken
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You really hate that Leadsniper guy

dusky python
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didnt know one that long existed

main grove
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I wish it looked seamlessly

dusky python
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sniper v sniper be like

icy sluice
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Xbox Trimming got a bit fucked

white lotus
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How come the M1 Garand doesn't get a Bayonet Specialization?

icy sluice
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It does

main grove
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Just beating the shit out of a Japanese guy for the entire round

brave coral
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It does lmao

white lotus
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Where? I didnt see it in the tree

icy sluice
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Literally the only weapon to have an extra specialization spot

coarse thunder
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Play the game and you'll see it

main grove
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I wish more weapons had extra random specs

brave coral
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Someone almost got me with that melee but got shot lol

solid hinge
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I wish it didn't require taking the hipfire specs

dense bone
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for the game: Ruiner, what is my favorite weapon in bfv in general?

main grove
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I use Hipfire on SARs sometimes

brave coral
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It’s like that bit in the reveal trailer where the lady with the anakin skywalker hand beats up Walter white

solid hinge
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Hipfire on sars isnt bad if they got more than 8 rounds

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Plus usually it comes with detachable mag

open surge
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what is the point of the garand

solid hinge
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@dense bone UHH THE G15

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wait it got nerfed

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the.. the p08c? the ZH?

brave coral
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Not much atm @open surge

dense bone
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i need a final answer ayla

solid hinge
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can I phone a friend

open surge
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the only reason you'd pick the garand is for the ping

dense bone
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yes

open surge
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nothing else

main grove
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Lee Enfield is my most used weapon

brave coral
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Hopefully they fix SARs in 6.2 and it becomes usable

main grove
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Just think about that

solid hinge
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hello nyphon i have a question what's your favourite weapon

dense bone
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fuck

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idk the guy

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seems like an ass though

brave coral
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It’s probably the worst SAR lol

open surge
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MP40 gang

solid hinge
brave coral
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M3 suppressed gang

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Where are you being shot from? Who knows

solid hinge
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g1-5 gang we calling it

open surge
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wish there were more suppressors

main grove
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Lee Enfield is very poor for sniping but running irons it can sort of manage around mid range

brave coral
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M1911 Suppressed please

pulsar valve
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uhh

brave coral
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And 1917 Enfield

pulsar valve
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might I interest you in some emblems

brave coral
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Integrated suppressor

dense bone
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no

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im not home yet

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dont do this now

main grove
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The Fucking M1917 Enfield has been in the game for ages

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In the files

pulsar valve
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how do you not have an emblem

gloomy kraken
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Mozzy our little dealer

dense bone
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im never home when you do these things

white lotus
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Who else is ready for Russia though when the Pacific Theater is over?

coral fiber
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Lol

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The emblem dealer

brave coral
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Ik @main grove

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I’d like it if they could just release all the weapons that have been in the field for months

main grove
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I want M1903 Springfield tho

coarse thunder
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I accidentally applied my emblem but now I want to take it off lol

main grove
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As a really good sniper

rose pilot
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how about a battlefield trivia later for some emblems?

brave coral
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Welgun, Lanchester, Sterling, 1917 Enfield, Chauchat, etc

white lotus
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Gib T-34

brave coral
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M1911 Suppressed

main grove
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I hate how you hold the lanchester and sterling

open surge
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ppsh when

main grove
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Like ffs

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DONT HOLD IT BY THE MAG

dense bone
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i love trivia games

brave coral
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Kar98 suppressed is available in two or three War stories

open surge
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it's not a WW2 game without ppsh

main grove
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MP28 gets away with it because you’re holding the magwell not the mag itself

coarse thunder
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Was the BT-7 (or any of the lighter Soviet tanks I can't remember atm) ever equippes with an autocannon

white lotus
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We'll get the PPSH with Russia I'm assuming

main grove
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Bold of you to assume Russia is coming

brave coral
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There’s also a Lee Enfield with a bipod in mission 3 of Tirailleur

shy badger
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If we get the soviets that is

coarse thunder
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Type 2a vs ppsh

open surge
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like I've been repeating all week

main grove
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It’s the hardest maybe known to man

brave coral
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Which I think can probably stay there

gloomy kraken
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Well we dont need a faction for its guns, look at Finland and Italy guns we have

main grove
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Bipod lee Enfield

open surge
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DICE will be forgiven if they end BFV's support with the battle of Berlin

main grove
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Like why not add it as a 3rd spec

coarse thunder
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And then the circle continues

main grove
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I know it would be kinda pointless

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But the choice would be nice

brave coral
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There are a few nice weapon skins in war stories actually

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Ones that should be in MP but aren’t

white lotus
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Theres like 2 more major theaters of War to cover for WWII, The Eastern Front with Russia, than the Allied Invasion of France

solid hinge
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@open surge that will never happen

open surge
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:(

brave coral
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There’s a Jäger StG1-5, Desert Rat MG-42 or 34 or both (I don’t remember which)

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A few more

main grove
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I think they have jäger skins for most of the guns in the game

icy sluice
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Lee Enfield had a bipod in the Beta

coarse thunder
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Oh yay boins skins

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My favorite

main grove
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Because most beta weapons had custom woodland

brave coral
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Honestly I’d kinda like it if they went back to (almost) the beta spec trees

main grove
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Beta was gonna have a system where you can’t respec

brave coral
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At least it would be cool if we had a 5 tier spec tree

main grove
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So you had to buy copies of a gun

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To try different specs

brave coral
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Yeah I remember that

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But I don’t think I actually applied any specs lmao

icy sluice
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It was good and bad

brave coral
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I was but a complete noob who didn’t know what a menu was

icy sluice
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I prefer what we have now

brave coral
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Yeah I don’t think the gun duplicates was a good idea

main grove
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I got turner to have both mag extension and detach

white lotus
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If/When we get Russia tho, I wanna see the KV-2 as the Reinforcement Tank

brave coral
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But slightly expanded spec trees would be nice

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Wait

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The Turner was in the beta?

main grove
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Yes

brave coral
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I thought there were like three guns for each class

gloomy kraken
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No, KV-2 as a spawnable tank Chag

icy sluice
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Turner and M1A1 were in the beta

brave coral
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I remember Assault only having StG44, M1A1, Gewehr 43

main grove
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Iirc it was STG44, G43, M1 carbine and Turner

icy sluice
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In the Alpha, SMGs were multi-class like Carbines were in BF4

shy badger
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T35 as a spawnable tank

brave coral
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Oh maybe I just never unlocked the Turner lol

main grove
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You had Sten ,Suomi, EMP and MP40

gloomy kraken
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Drillin was the only shotgun in Beta

white lotus
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BT-7 as Russian Light Tank, T-34 as Russian Medium, IS-2 as Russian Heavy, SU as Russian Tank Destroyer, KV-2 as Russian Reinforcement Tank

brave coral
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I think I got to Suomi

main grove
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KE7,Bren,drilling and FG42

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And Lee,ZH-29 and Kar98

brave coral
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Yeah I don’t remember all these 4th weapons

icy sluice
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I wonder how people would've liked SMGs to be multi-class now

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Personally, would be a bit too powerful to be with Flares

brave coral
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I got to the third Assault weapon and the Bren on Support

gloomy kraken
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Well just take recon and pick up a dead player smg

brave coral
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I had the Suomi for Medic

main grove
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Thing is SMGs back then we’re nowhere near as good

solid hinge
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Duplicate guns would at least mean I could have two different loadouts

brave coral
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Never got past the Enfield for Recon

main grove
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They were objectively worse than ARs

solid hinge
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Swapping guns over is a pain

brave coral
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It takes like 5 seconds lol

main grove
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So they were kinda balanced for medic

solid hinge
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SMGs were shit until they got those two big boofs

coarse thunder
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Actually yeah, I wonder what the tanks for the sovs (and Germans, to some extent) are going to be

tough lodge
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"we are tweaking the ttk from its 5.0 baseline"

brave coral
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Also you respec guns often?

tough lodge
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So maybe

solid hinge
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5 seconds is enough to lose a clutch spawn sometimes!

main grove
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Since medic had their infinite self heal balanced by a shitty weapon class

tough lodge
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They'll revery ttk and tweak it from there

white lotus
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I'm hoping when we get to the Eastern Front or Allied Invasion of France, Germans get the Hetzer, Panther, and Tiger II

open surge
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Normandy?

main grove
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It’s so idealistic

coarse thunder
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They'll probably get those but idk about the hetzer

main grove
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To wish for all these things

icy sluice
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They've said that the damage will be like 5.0 but after 30m the damage will be dropped

white lotus
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Normandy would be apart of Allied Invasion of France

tough lodge
open surge
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balance aside, they added a fair amount with Pacific

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so hopes are sorta high

brave coral
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@icy sluice I thought it was like the opposite? Damage drops off slower than currently?

coarse thunder
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Since the community is universally against a stug 2.0

icy sluice
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idk rn

main grove
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What was the old 4btk range for many automatics?

shy badger
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Agree, the pacific was pretty good content wise

white lotus
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With the Allied Invasion of France tho, Americans can get the Pershing

icy sluice
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Chapter 6 comes out of the gates with a whole new map

tough lodge
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1

open surge
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Pershing PogS

icy sluice
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Yes, and chapter 5 come out with 2

tough lodge
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3*

icy sluice
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No, it came out with 2

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Iwo Jima and Pacific Storm

tough lodge
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oh

gloomy kraken
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Wake came later

tough lodge
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later wake

solid hinge
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We got enough maps as is, I want them to fix the current maps

coarse thunder
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3rd one was added somewhere in the middle

open surge
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Wake was released later

white lotus
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Pershings were deployed in Eurpoe, but in small numbers

brave coral
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I’m guessing up to 10m it keeps current damage values, 10-30m is 5.0 values ish, past that it’s like 5.0 but a little weaker

main grove
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They said they’re gonna do that

solid hinge
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We have a bunch of maps with a bunch of issues

brave coral
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My main hope is that it makes mid range good again

icy sluice
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So the Jungle Map comes out in like a week or two, they use the word START, so I assume another one comes out later

main grove
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I want automatics to become much weaker beyond 30m not 10m

solid hinge
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see: aerodrome breakthrough STILL giving the brits a billion tanks

tough lodge
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guys

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I read from the broadcast

main grove
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Billion tanks could be balanced if those tanks fucking died

tough lodge
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That

brave coral
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Aerodrome is Aerodrome though lmao

open surge
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what if they turned the MP40 into the MP40 from world at war

tough lodge
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"we are going to tweak the TTK based on 5.0 baseline"

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Does that mean

brave coral
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But they are doing some map balancing with either 6.0 or 6.2

coarse thunder
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Double mag mp40 gives me flashbacks

tough lodge
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Ttk is reverted and tweaked from there?

brave coral
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@tough lodge we don’t know tbh

tough lodge
main grove
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They’re still probably gonna make guns not as lethal at range

brave coral
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It sounds like it’ll be closer to 5.0 but with some tweaks

coarse thunder
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It's just tweaks probably

main grove
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But hopefully their definition of “range” is not 10m

open surge
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5.0 But Not Quite

tough lodge
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Maybe dice is just afraid to use the word "revert"

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So, they'll roll it back to 5.0 values and tweak it there

main grove
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I’m Fucking sick of the word revert and I’m sure they are as well

brave coral
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People are complaining that it’s not a full revert in YouTube comments but you know that if they said they’re adjusting damage values at range to make guns have more defined roles in 5.0 no one would have even cared lol

icy sluice
coarse thunder
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Well yeah, definite wording makes it seem like a promise to the community. Notice how basicallt every game marketing never uses exact wording

main grove
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Guy at the bottom

coarse thunder
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Holds them to be liable

main grove
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Providing decent feedback

brave coral
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That’s just advertising and PR though

main grove
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Why are their comments downvoted

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Like what are you showing?

icy sluice
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Because it's reddit

coarse thunder
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Because reddit

icy sluice
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They think downvoting a community manager means something when it fucking doesn't

main grove
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But what he said was literally a good thing

brave coral
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If you’re too specific and then that turns out to be false (even unintentionally, as I’m sure would easily be the case with CMs) then you get issues

open surge
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Reddit hivemind strikes again

coarse thunder
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Not quite as salty as the official Bfield forums but it's a close 2nd

open surge
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DICE bad, 5.2 bad

brave coral
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Yeah but Adam is singlehandedly responsible for any issue in the game rn @main grove

icy sluice
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Personally, I found it really stupid that an SMG could compare with other guns at range because of their rather low recoil

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with the STEN and MP40, I was beating a lot of SARS and even Snipers

coarse thunder
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Who is adam

brave coral
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Freeman

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Partwelsh

raw orbit
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in 5.0 or 5.2?

tough lodge
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We have 4 CM's but why do I only see 2 being active

brave coral
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Wait we have 4?

main grove
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Like I am of the opinion that SMGs should be rather light on recoil but high in spread

brave coral
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Braddock, Freeman, who are the other two?

tough lodge
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Look at the side bar

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Ossen and f8rge

white lotus
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Eastern Front Russian Tanks: BT-7 Light, T-34 Med, IS-2 Heavy, SU TD, KV-2 Reinforcement Tank

Allied Invasion of France American Tanks: M26 Pershing Heavy, M24 Chaffe Light, M18 Hellcat TD

New German Tanks: Jagdepanzer 38 Hetzer, Panther, Tiger II

main grove
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Because they’re shooting pistol bullets

tough lodge
coarse thunder
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I've seen f8rge but never ossen

brave coral
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Ben (F8RGE) mainly works with battlefront I think

open surge
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just use the Sherman again for america

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isn't f8rge the nfs guy

brave coral
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Idk Ossen at all lmao

coarse thunder
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I don't blame ossen for not wanting to waste the time on reddit though lol

modern sedge
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F8rge is a star wars guy and nfs too I think

tough lodge
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Also, why can a pistol OHK and a higher caliber battle rifle cant

white lotus
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Sherman would be the American Medium Tank which is already ingame

main grove
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Balance

pulsar valve
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Not all the people in that list are CM's

open surge
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Shermans were everywhere on like, every front

pulsar valve
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Some focus on other games (SWBF2)

main grove
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Balance goes against any IRL principles

brave coral
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F8RGE was really good for SWBF2 actually

white lotus
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Well I didn't add them to that list because they're already in game

pulsar valve
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He's doing a splendid job

coarse thunder
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CMs in name only really

main grove
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Games dictate that a revolver hits harder than an AR

open surge
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I wonder if people call battlefront 2 just "bf2"

coarse thunder
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I call them the "bfront" games

brave coral
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Nah most shorten it to SWBF

main grove
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Btf

icy sluice
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I use SWBF

main grove
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SWBF is right yeah

icy sluice
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Because BFBattlefield2exists

tough lodge
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just call it star wars 4Head

brave coral
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And then when you talk to someone irl and ask if they want to play a Star Wars shooter later, you go ‘you down for some SWUBUFF?’

modern sedge
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As a star wars fan first I prefer BF2
Also most within the swbf community refer to it as bf2

main grove
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Star Wars 2

brave coral
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I guess it’s changed a bit

open surge
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star wars battlefront episode ii

tough lodge
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I do want to try swbf2

open surge
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attack of the clones

brave coral
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But then also in a SWBF context you’re most likely going to mean battlefront 2 by bf2

main grove
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Star battlefront war 2

modern sedge
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bf 2 (2005)
bf 2 (the new one)

tough lodge
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BF2
BFII

main grove
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I don’t know if I like the idea of light recoil M1907 being gone

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Like I think it fits it

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And Stg 1-5 should be the one that kicks but does damage

tough lodge
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I still use the 1907

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For my brit and american assault

main grove
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M1907 right now is kind of too easy to control

tough lodge
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But i barely play assault

modern sedge
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Using the m1907 in bfv vs bf1 is such a contrast

main grove
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BFV M1907 is more true to life

tough lodge
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I just play support all of the time

main grove
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It can fire that fast

strong parrot
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unlike the bfv BAR haHAA

open surge
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Guess bf1 fire rate was for the sake of balance

tough lodge
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Wishing for bar to become 4 to 6 or 7 btk

white lotus
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I kinda miss the pre nerf JU-88 Where you could have x16 50lb bombs, x4 250lb bombs, and x1 1,000lb bomb

modern sedge
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wha

main grove
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BF1 BAR was 600rpm which I’m sure is slightly high for the M1918

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I’m not sure about M1918A2 rpm

tough lodge
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Bar should be 650 rpm default

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Its 720 rn

modern sedge
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Springfield wen

strong parrot
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apparently using wiki is too hard for dice GWlulurdMmmYea

tough lodge
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Then slow mode would be at ~500

modern sedge
main grove
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BFV bar does seem kinda fast

strong parrot
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because it is...

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so thats why its got a pathetic damage drop off

tough lodge
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What rpm does the slow mode have

main grove
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The fire rate makes up for damage drop off for me tho

tough lodge
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BAR has 2 damage models

raw orbit
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the bar is literally the best lmg for long range facts why yall complaining about muh drop off

tough lodge
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Which is wack

main grove
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Because this balancing ties damage strictly to RPM

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Which is kinda lazy

tough lodge
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Its not like its gonna chanfe caliber if you press fire selector

main grove
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Old balance tied recoil to RPM

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Which was equally lazy

alpine flame
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BAR is OP noob haven

strong parrot
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if youre constantly going to rely on slow fire mode just take one of the superior slow fire lmgs? GWcmeisterPeepoShrug

main grove
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But up close the high fire rate does shred

solid hinge
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720rpm baybee

strong parrot
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it just loses a pathetic amount of damage too fast

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because hurrr we made it shoot really fast gamers!!

white lotus
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I honestly don't enjoy how all the Revolvers are basically 1-2 shot

strong parrot
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yeah...thats bullshit GWmythicalHyperREEEE

main grove
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They should make every gun different and unpredictable in how it will be balanced

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Rather than low rpm big damage high rpm low damage

solid hinge
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5000rpm 25btk

tough lodge
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Should I use 3x scopes on all of my lmg's?

raw orbit
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the slow fire lmgs arent as good at close range than the bar tho

knotty prairie
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That's why we need hardcore

main grove
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Or low rpm low recoil or big rpm big recoil

solid hinge
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Half the lmgs have big damage drop

main grove
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Like imagine current STG 1-5 in 5.0

strong parrot
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or dice could just not neuter all these low mag capacity lmgs? haHAA

knotty prairie
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Mg42

main grove
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It would actually have a place

solid hinge
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Not worth using 3x scope if it does 10 damage beyond 20 metres

main grove
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Because the recoil would be so Fucking low in comparison

icy sluice
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Wow... Wow...

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WOW

main grove
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That 5 min is worth it

icy sluice
tough lodge
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I currently use faction specific weapons
Brits - bren 3x
Germans - fg42 aa sight
Americans - bar aa sight
Japs - type 97 3x

knotty prairie
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Physics

tough lodge
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Should i 3x them all?

raw orbit
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no

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scopes are for the weak

strong parrot
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I mean obviously there is an exaggerated amount of damage loss in game

main grove
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So he thinks BF1 had no damage drop off

knotty prairie
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Yeah

main grove
knotty prairie
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And 5 bullets to kill someone with an smg

main grove
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Like BF1 had much less severe drop off to make up for the loads of spread

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LMGs were 4-5

tough lodge
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4 to 6*

main grove
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But it was still there

solid hinge
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why is damage drop a thing lmfao

knotty prairie
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Remember to use iron sights for the m1

main grove
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But because this BF has little spread

tough lodge
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why is recoil even a thing haHAA

strong parrot
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similar to why does this gun have 2 different damage bullets haHAA

main grove
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Drop off is needed to be stronger so you don’t get fucking melted

strong parrot
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milsim games dont have drop off and theyre killing bfv

knotty prairie
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I remember when m1 was a three shot at any range with the heavy load

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Rip

tough lodge
strong parrot
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wow 3 shot to kill someone???

warm portal
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everyone knows if you shoot a gun slower it will do more damage, DUH

main grove
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If BAR keeps it slow damage model even when firing fast

strong parrot
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with 8 round clip????

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OP AS FUCK NERF

tough lodge
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6 btk for an 8 round clip

main grove
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It would need a shit ton of recoil

warm portal
main grove
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To balance

knotty prairie
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3btk was the only reason why I u sed m1

main grove
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SARs were over wrecked

strong parrot
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i have literally no reason to equip it right now lmao

tough lodge
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anyone member storming beaches of iwo jima and all people wore the same u uniform

raw orbit
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bar is literally fine right now even if the damage model doesnt make any sense irl

main grove
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Like the RPM nerf was all that was needed

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Not the damage

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BAR kicks ass right now

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Best LMG

raw orbit
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damn right 🗣️

knotty prairie
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Battlefield needs set cosmetics

solid hinge
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bar and lewis imo

warm portal
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and ke7

knotty prairie
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That are historically accurate

solid hinge
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ke7 has good stats but fucking ugly reload time

main grove
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I have not touched Lewis since 5.2

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At all

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Lewis is Fucking filthy

warm portal
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you have time to reload when everyone is dead

raw orbit
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yeah lol

warm portal
tough lodge
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Dice is going to add "historical skins only" option at the end of bfv's life cycle

knotty prairie
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Ttk was supposed to make us use different guns

raw orbit
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when you need to left click really lewis is better than bar but when you only need a short left click the bar is zssPacha

strong parrot
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kek

knotty prairie
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Now people only use type2a

main grove
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Type 97 MG has a weirdly long reloads thanks to an odd pause at the start

open surge
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nah ttk just defined a metal

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Meta

tough lodge
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@main grove also a wack scope

main grove
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The scope makes it usable for me

knotty prairie
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New meta

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Stg

main grove
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Irons are the pain

knotty prairie
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Type 2a

tough lodge
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"too heavy for infantry"
Dice: here use this

main grove
#

The irons aren’t even aligned right

solid hinge
main grove
#

The bullets land slightly above

solid hinge
#

lewis has a faster tactical reload than the ke7

#

even with bigmag

quaint ember
#

anyone used mas44 after 5.2

main grove
#

Lewis is just good for no reason

knotty prairie
#

97 friendliness pellets

solid hinge
#

not worth using ke7 when it takes almost 4 seconds to reload every time

raw orbit
#

did anyone use the mas before 5.2?

main grove
#

Like you’d think when firing it would be poor

#

To make up for all it’s mag advantage

warm portal
#

trust me, its worth using

#

lol

solid hinge
#

type 97 and ke7 have incredibly poor reloads

#

literally mmg tier

#

despite having only 25 bullets

quaint ember
#

mas 44 feels like beast now

main grove
#

That’s why they both should be good

#

When being fired

knotty prairie
#

Mg42 now shoots peas

main grove
#

Like their recoil and spread performance

#

And their damage

knotty prairie
#

And has terrible recoil

main grove
#

Should make up for their reload

alpine flame
#

y'all at all hopeful for 6.2

strong parrot
#

no

knotty prairie
#

Maybe

alpine flame
#

mannn

knotty prairie
#

I'm waiting for the jungle

dense bone
#

can confirm, fg42 is super easy to use

strong parrot
#

if im hopeful dice will just disappoint me OMEGALUL

alpine flame
#

like bfv, despite all the shit wrong with it was fucking fun pre 5.2

main grove
#

Oh also I’m seriously saying that type 97 should statically be unbalanced to make up for the amount it blocks the screen

strong parrot
#

if im neutral to negative then i can be pleasantly surprised

main grove
#

Like it should be good for that reason

knotty prairie
#

Graphics are good but gameplay is trash

alpine flame
#

yep

raw orbit
#

graphics are weird

#

lol

alpine flame
#

like right after 5.0 dropped was feeling mad optimistic

#

then boom

main grove
#

They need to make some guns light on recoil despite having high rpm

strong parrot
#

bren was blocking vision before the 97 😤

knotty prairie
#

Surprising how a game centered on trench warfare is more fun than bfv

main grove
#

Because old balance was just

#

Gun shot fast

#

So gun should shake a lot

warm portal
#

if you want blocked vision look no further than madsen

solid hinge
#

I prefer that to current balance

warm portal
#

i couldnt even play that thing

solid hinge
#

At least that's hard to fuck up

warm portal
#

its annoying me too much

#

lol

main grove
#

Yeah but I like current M1907 more than old

strong parrot
#

wow im playing a war game where guns kill FeelsMeowMan

#

i didnt expect this

solid hinge
#

I don't like the madsen at all

strong parrot
#

its not 🥔 friendly

solid hinge
#

Everything about it feels WEIRD

knotty prairie
#

We need the Springfield for the americans

solid hinge
#

also >6btk

main grove
#

What I’m saying is there should be anomalies in gun balance

alpine flame
#

the m2 would be nice too

knotty prairie
#

So I can play wake island properly

main grove
#

Like some guns that are slow

#

But high recoil

raw orbit
#

madsen is god tier at long range

main grove
#

For high damage

strong parrot
#

to play wake proper YouD hAVe To Be oN ThE CorEcT SiDe

main grove
#

And some guns that are fast but low recoil for low damage

#

Type 100 was cool because it was the first gun to break that mould

knotty prairie
#

Imagine invading your own island

dense bone
#

31-15 with fg42

#

the gun has basically no hrec

#

up close type2a beat me, at range they hardly touched me

solid hinge
#

Madsen is still inferior at range to like.. ZH

raw orbit
#

the zh cant shoot long tho

knotty prairie
#

Grease gun on console is good

main grove
#

I still think all SLRs need to drop to 3btk at some range

dense bone
#

i joined a team that was getting their shit put in

#

@raw orbit its 2btk with high velocity

main grove
#

Like for ZH I’d say around 75m

strong parrot
#

5 shot mag 3 btk GWmythicalFeelsSadMan

dense bone
#

its made for shooting long

raw orbit
#

no i mean

#

a long time

dense bone
#

not sure i understand

main grove
#

SLRs destroy bolts most of the time

raw orbit
#

with the madsen if you see a big group of enemies at a decent range you can just left click and mow them all down

#

ez

warm portal
#

in any case i will be playing battlefront 2 for the time being instead of bf5, until they fix their shit

strong parrot
#

because..wait for it.....bolts are fucking trash GWsiraSataniaHAhaa

strong parrot
#

bro isnt it nice to just shoot with out having to worry about ammo? 😩

main grove
#

Madsen is odd

raw orbit
#

at long range the zh might win in a 1v1 but in like a 1v3+ the madsen is godlike

main grove
#

Like because it’s a 6-6

strong parrot
#

wait till you get the last heavy gun...its broken to fuck and back

main grove
#

It’s only worth using at ranges where other MGs become 7btk

#

So around 30-50m

signal hill
#

Could somebody recommend a gun for long range?

raw orbit
#

yes

solid hinge
#

if you're 1 vs 3ing you're gonna get popped by people unless you're just spraying at people miles away

raw orbit
#

thats literally how you use the madsen tho pepeLaugh just spray into a group of enemies and youre good

knotty prairie
#

M1922

main grove
#

Madsen can suddenly wreck shit once I remember that it’s only for long range

raw orbit
#

3x scope 50 bullets 0 recoil its dummy strong

knotty prairie
#

Pre ttk

main grove
#

And land headshots

solid hinge
#

@signal hill ZH

signal hill
#

ok thanks is it 2 shot to kill?

knotty prairie
#

What snipers are good with 3x?

strong parrot
#

if you hit your 2 shots yes

main grove
#

It’s weird because the Madsen in this game is a CQB version

raw orbit
#

lol

solid hinge
#

You dont get custom stock with the bigmag madsen and I dislike standing still

#

Makes me anxious

raw orbit
#

shame

main grove
#

Yet it’s made out to be the long range gun

raw orbit
#

i used to use mmgs on support so maybe thats why i like it

#

😄

signal hill
#

Any guns that dont require level and can buy with coins?

solid hinge
#

Oh I didnt think of using it like an mmg

main grove
#

I hope they make MMGs good again

solid hinge
#

..i forget bipods exist

raw orbit
#

m1922 was my girl in 5.0 FeelsStrongMan

knotty prairie
#

M1922

solid hinge
#

im so big brain

knotty prairie
#

God.gun

#

Was

raw orbit
#

yea

main grove
#

I actually liked VGO

solid hinge
#

Ok yes agreed if you're bipod madsening people then that's chadsen

main grove
#

Fight me

knotty prairie
#

I'm an mg42 spammer

solid hinge
#

@signal hill selb 1906

knotty prairie
#

But I mostly use m1922

#

Pre.ttk

raw orbit
#

m1922 is literally just a good mg42

#

yea

main grove
#

Bipod doesn’t make that much of a difference on LMGs

strong parrot
#

is the 1906 a ToW gun? GWcorbinMonkaGIGA

main grove
#

To recoil

knotty prairie
#

Now I use browning

#

But not before.getting spotted instantly

#

And die

main grove
#

Not as much as BF1 bipod

solid hinge
#

I can't control vrec FeelsMeowMan

#

1906 is TOW gun yeah

strong parrot
#

does your thumb not work GWsabianPepoHmm

raw orbit
#

vrec in 5.2

solid hinge
#

That's why it has that shitty light bolt spec path

#

The Madsen goes UP okay

gloomy kraken
#

Congrats winners

solid hinge
#

gg

strong parrot
#

pull your thumb downnn

solid hinge
#

It's all bouncy

raw orbit
#

i hated the madsen in 5.0 lol that shit went everywhere but now it goes nowhere at all

main grove
#

V rec is fine if the target is still

solid hinge
#

there gonna be more giveaways? since there will be 30 keys

main grove
#

But if they’re moving

#

You have to pull diagonally

#

And it fucks you up

maiden sorrel
#

ooof i dont have lucky

solid hinge
#

The lmgs still feel much more bouncy than every other gun with 3x scopes

main grove
#

I’m so bad at target tracking

#

It’s why I’m super bad at CQB

maiden sorrel
#

but i have bf v xd

main grove
#

Because people really close make me have to use my stick all the way

knotty prairie
#

Tommy or suomi?

main grove
#

And then I always overshoot

raw orbit
#

2A

solid hinge
#

i had bfv, i sold it but i really wanna play it again lmao

gritty fog
#

spd

main grove
#

Like I don’t like being close to the enemy

solid hinge
#

run 'em giveaways boy

knotty prairie
#

Grease gun suppressor on rain or shine

#

Op

main grove
#

I like being around 15-30m away

#

I hate sprinting in with an SMG

maiden sorrel
#

i have bf but i want 1 more

#

just to do nothing

raw orbit
#

could medic get a madsen please i want to finally reach optimal gameplay smileW

main grove
#

Medic LMGS

#

I can’t tell if that’s a meme or not

#

Like in some world it might work

knotty prairie
#

Assault smg's

solid hinge
#

implying you need madsen with jungle carbine

#

Whatcha all think the net DLC will be?

#

I hope soviet.

#

dday is defo not happening i think

knotty prairie
#

Pacific expansion

main grove
#

Fucking nerf Jungle Carbine then or remove it from medic

solid hinge
#

Id just want my good old kursk battle

gloomy kraken
#

In BFBC2 Medics had LMGs

main grove
#

Give medics pistol carbines

knotty prairie
#

Ppsh 41

main grove
#

And recon bolt carbines

solid hinge
#

Moans in Stalingrad

raw orbit
#

im really looking forward to playing the week after the ppsh comes out Kappa

solid hinge
#

what

main grove
#

Fucking medics

gloomy kraken
#

I really want the Lads LMG.

solid hinge
#

WHO SAID PPSH

#

WHEN IS PPSH COMING

#

JESHA

strong parrot
#

never

main grove
#

Suomi is a better PPSH

strong parrot
#

we dont need another big mag fast rpm shitfest

solid hinge
#

there will be a soviet dlc soon

main grove
#

And it’s already in game

solid hinge
#

i bet

main grove
#

PPSH is just cheapened Suomi copy

coarse thunder
#

Ppsh vs 2a now

raw orbit
#

give me the avt-40 i want to finally have my frommer stop auto back

main grove
#

That’s AVT-40

gloomy kraken
#

Soviets did adopt Suomi drum mag to ppsh

raw orbit
#

I WAS EDITING IT

strong parrot
#

cant wait to use a dp 28 and need to unload have its pan mag to get 1 kill GWlulurdMmmYea

raw orbit
#

ASIKJFBOASF

main grove
#

And god that fucking thing in RO2

raw orbit
#

my man

#

i was playing ro2 today smileW

main grove
#

Like it was true to real life

raw orbit
#

yes i want that in bf5

main grove
#

It could not be controlled

#

At all

#

It would be funny

#

If you could spec the SVT 40 for it

#

And some dude comes around the corner with a 2A expecting an easy kill

raw orbit
#

i like how in ro2 the close range weapons are balanced by having high recoil instead of just doing 9 damage past 10m smileW

main grove
#

And he gets 10 rounds of 900rpm 7.92mm

raw orbit
#

hnng

#

i love how the weapons all sound so distinctive as well 😩

main grove
#

It will have of course probably the usual G43 MAS style spec tree

#

With one side allowing you to detach mags

#

Bruh you know how weak the PPSH will have to be for balancing reasons

raw orbit
#

no it wont

#

itll be an even better 2A

#

u know

main grove
#

Like by default it will have 35 rounds

#

And then upgradable to 71 rounds

#

Something has to be shit to balance that

#

Either damage or recoil

#

Or both

coarse thunder
#

Recoil prob

main grove
#

Maybe it will be a type 2 that actually has V rec as well

raw orbit
#

nah it will be better than the 2A in all ways except reload speed

#

bet

main grove
#

I mean I hope it doesn’t get light bolt

#

And shoots around 1000rpm default

#

With the side with no extended mag getting ADS and recoil specs

coarse thunder
#

It'll probably get the typical "big mag or light bolt" which is common with the faster smgs

main grove
#

That’s so predictable

coarse thunder
#

Well it has been that way every single time so

main grove
#

Why not make it interesting

solid hinge
#

more bfv giveaways coming or?

main grove
#

Light bolt is never taken anyway

#

Just replace it with a really good ADS spec or something

#

They need to make new specs

#

Or just let us have a gun that has both a Bigmag and a fast rpm

#

Like with 2A

raw orbit
#

why are combat roles even in this game

#

you would think maybe dice would make an effort to expand on them but it seems like they just gave up and forgot about it

main grove
#

They’ve always been tweaking around with “perks” in BF

#

BF1 had fully customisable perks

#

But everyone took the same ones

#

Namely the silent footsteps and invisible to flares when still

raw orbit
#

i took the quiet footsteps and i dont even remember what else

main grove
#

Everyone took stealth ones

raw orbit
#

i dontt hink i bothered to unlock 90% of them

main grove
#

Bayonet training was fun

#

Just remembered they fucking added those anti specs In apocalypse

#

The ones that made you worse

raw orbit
#

lol

#

those are fun tho

main grove
#

One where you lost points for dying

solid hinge
#

Hmmm, BF1 or BF4?

main grove
#

So you could go negative score

coarse thunder
#

The perks kinda made the game worse imo when they were introduced in Turning Tides

#

No incentive to unlock anything else since the base ones were already really good, if not the best

main grove
#

Tbh I don’t think the perks were a really good idea

raw orbit
#

can we get specs on combat roles 😩 🙏 DICEPls

main grove
#

It’s a shame because I’d say BFV’s perks are kinda alright

#

But they’re locked to classes

raw orbit
#

ehhhh

ruby zealot
#

Heeeey

raw orbit
#

the only one that even makes much difference is recons

#

and then theres only 2 lol

ruby zealot
#

someone answers me ¡¡

main grove
#

God recon spotting when you shoot someone is so good

coarse thunder
#

The base roles in bf5 too are better than their 2nd roles UNLESS you like spawning on random spawn beacons

raw orbit
#

i prefer the squad beacons one lol

main grove
#

I dunno

#

Machinegunner spot is good

#

For support

raw orbit
#

engineer cant spot?

gloomy kraken
#

I use the 2nd medic role because of the better melee range

main grove
#

No

#

Well

raw orbit
coarse thunder
#

Engineer can, it just takes longer

main grove
#

Their MG causes suppression

#

Which is the flashing red icon

#

But it’s not a true spot

#

MG role causes them to truly get spotted

#

Engi has good stuff tho

#

The repair is too good

#

That needs a nerf

coarse thunder
#

Engineer repair has been broken since launch

main grove
#

The overheat reduction is also good

#

If you plan on being a gunner

#

Or AA

queen canopy
#

How has repair been broken though?

raw orbit
#

no cooldown lol

coarse thunder
#

Repairs 4x as fast basically

gloomy kraken
#

Dosent effect tank mgs tho

coarse thunder
#

Or something like that number

queen canopy
#

Oh

#

Wut

main grove
#

The repair feels like it’s somewhere between 300-500% faster

coarse thunder
#

Yeah it's good if a lot of tanks need to be cared for

raw orbit
#

do they damage other tanks with the repair tool faster too?

main grove
#

Fucking outrepair any damage in the game aside from massive bombs

#

If you try and repair with Machine gunner it feels a lot more fair

gloomy kraken
#

Btw when did they add the repairtool dealing damage?

icy sluice
#

5.2

main grove
#

Like engi should get a 150% repair bonus

gloomy kraken
#

Ok, thought so

main grove
#

Wait that was that recent

#

I thought you could always damage vehicles with tool

gloomy kraken
#

Nope

main grove
#

It does good damage as well

#

Like if they aren’t ready to kill you

gloomy kraken
#

What i saw its really slow

#

And kills you

main grove
#

I think once again it’s much faster for engi

raw orbit
#

when the repair tool is stronger than AT mines

coarse thunder
#

Wronks

prime pine
#

Morning

#

Actual the fucking repair tool is better than assaults anti tank

raw orbit
#

lol

coarse thunder
#

Oh yeah it is

solid hinge
#

@prime pine go to ur dms

#

Repair tool damage is based on angles again

#

Plink a tank in the engine for 10 per tick

gloomy kraken
#

If even that has angles then the DoomPlunge most likely has them as Well.

solid hinge
#

Is the game good again?

gloomy kraken
#

And in the showcase video on the back it did 75 damage to a sherman.

feral glade
#

@solid hinge what did I miss did we get an update?

proven hatch
#

LMAO When BF5 just freezes my controller so i have to restart my xbox

#

love this game

dense bone
#

does the torch take out a tank faster?

#

to some degree it should considering you have to stand right next/on it

proven hatch
#

i would love bf5 if that didnt happen

feral glade
#

^ plus its about the most dangerous job in game next to being medic

solid hinge
#

Are there news bout BF6 or sumn?

dense bone
#

nopes

solid hinge
#

Im not up to date to be honest

dense bone
#

bf games are blockbusters

#

they come out during christmas

feral glade
#

@solid hinge youv got at least 1.5 years until a new bf comes out

#

hush...thjey got the guns

solid hinge
#

Okay thanks

#

Haha

woeful agate
solid hinge
#

I used to skip bf5. Got idea.. just assuming

#

Good idea*

pulsar valve
#

!ban @silver tide Yikes

ruby trailBOT
#

zep_check Banned zero#5021 (Case #5651) (user notified with a direct message)

sterile current
#

I got the Xbox elite controller.

#

It’s going to improve my weapon firing by a large margin.

#

Instead of having to press all the way in, I can just tap.

feral glade
#

i got a keyboard

sterile current
#

The Elite controller is the best Xbox controller for games like Battlefield.

solid hinge
#

Still using a Scuf

sterile current
#

48 hour battery charge.

feral glade
#

damn

sterile current
#

This controller is made for competitive fighting.

feral glade
#

how long does it take to charge it?

sterile current
#

I dunno.

feral glade
#

lol

icy sluice
#

All I've heard from Elite Controllers is that they break easily and get stick drift... easily

sterile current
#

I just bought and am now setting it up,

#

Well, don’t abuse it LUL

#

Treat the controller like a baby.

solid hinge
#

Remember those old days with wired scuf controllers, without batteries and delays💝

feral glade
#

good to keep a light touch on anything even a mouse

#

i keep my mouse light and easy...never super grip it...saves from cramping as well as prcision aiming

sterile current
#

That’s what I do.

#

But this controller is made for light input,

#

3 different analog tigger setttings,.

feral glade
#

sound like a good investment

sterile current
#

You’ve got the deep for racing, middle, and light for FPS.

feral glade
#

racing is about all i do with a console

sterile current
#

You can also map the 4 extra trigger for different stuff.

feral glade
#

porn?

#

jk

sterile current
#

I’m going to replace them with the d pad.

#

That way I can just click.

feral glade
#

like i said prones

sterile current
#

While I’m in combat I can use the right, left, up, and down keys for the 4 paddles.

icy sluice
#

Looks like trailer is next week pogchamp
But back to controllers, I have something with like 'wheels' or someting

#

You can bind turning it left and right to two different things as well as pressing it down

#

I don't remember what it's called because the logo is scratched off WHEEZE

feral glade
#

hard use eh?

#

my keyboard lost its letters long ago

#

good thing i have a decernt memory

#

decent*

#

i can play the fuk outta a guitar but cant type for shit.

#

hunt and peek fast yjough

#

yjhough < see....lol

#

though*

fiery wharf
#

is there a mod for PC that renames 'rey' to 'mary sue'?

solid hinge
#

Anyone know if there was ever a battlefield game on the Wii ?

open surge
#

I don't think there's ever been a battlefield game on any Nintendo console

sterile current
#

I’ve read FPS reviews in the Elite Controller claiming it’s P2W

#

They’re pretty funny.

#

I mean in a way you can play more effectively with gun genre games with it’s light trigger setting,

inner ingot
#

Do I have time to get the m3?

keen anvil
#

@inner ingot weekly is over already. If it's not already for sale with cc, it will be soon

inner ingot
#

Damn

keen anvil
#

You played any this week? @inner ingot

#

Probably you have it. They were basic tasks (capture objectives etc)

#

Check your armory

solid hinge
#

Damn 😕

dense bone
#

what is a gun i absolutely hate to use in general (pre and post 5.2)?

#

@ me answers

solid hinge
#

@dense bone boys at

dense bone
#

ive never actually used that

#

i actually have no idea if i even own it

solid hinge
#

😧

hollow wadi
#

Lmao I got a lot of shit from using that LUL

solid hinge
#

@dense boneg 1-5

#

It is basically a pistol

dense bone
#

wow you super wrong, g1-5 is one of, if not, my favorite gun

solid hinge
#

Not the stg 1-5

#

The g1-5

dense bone
#

yea

#

the lvl 20 assault gun

solid hinge
#

It has no rpm no dmg and a lot of recoil lmao

dense bone
#

i havent used it much post 5.2, but i still did good with it

#

and it was easily my favorite pre 5.2 gun

#

any other takes?

solid hinge
#

It was fine b4 5.2

hollow wadi
#

@dense bone I'll have to go with any sniper rifle (I ain't good with it)

dense bone
#

nopes

solid hinge
#

The carabine is trash rn

#

Or the sl-200

icy sluice
#

jazz music stops

hollow wadi
#

What's the carabine

solid hinge
#

Carabine m1a4

hollow wadi
#

Little timmy's spammy weapon

tough lodge
#

why cant dice release the ttk update with 6.0

#

6.2 seems far

#

Prolly coming at end of februrary

hollow wadi
#

I prefer they don't rush it and break the game again

#

But yeah you have a point

solid hinge
#

They always put balance updates and life improvement w even numbers

hollow wadi
#

A bit too long maybe

solid hinge
#

Maybe they want to keep alive the streak of even numbers

hollow wadi
#

Why not lol

tough lodge
#

I saw some website with bfv player count

#

How accurate was that

#

18k players

hollow wadi
#

Idk

tough lodge
#

At the time of screenshot

uneven hollow
#

So what happened to the hardcore in battlefield 1

hollow wadi
#

It also depends what time you checked

#

Plus how reliable the site is

solid hinge
#

@uneven hollow nobody played it when bf1 was the main title

#

Now it should be even more dead

uneven hollow
solid hinge
#

Harcore was cancer

hollow wadi
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There's 1 server on ps4 NA which is a blend of core and hardcore

solid hinge
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Just dudes camping in corners w 1 htk semis

hollow wadi
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Getting that full can be a challenge tho

tough lodge
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vanilla and hardcore mix were also popular in bf4

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60hp servers

solid hinge
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Bf1 harcore was like 40 ppl in a lobby and u could t hear a single shot

uneven hollow
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Bfv hardcore good idea or bad idea then

hollow wadi
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It was 50hp
200% damage (so really it was 25hp)
Aim assist was off (felt weird returning to core bf1) was the server settings for that server if I remember correctly

solid hinge
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W 30 hp like bf1 bad

tough lodge
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Cheaters shouldnt be banned

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Instead

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Thrown into firestorm

solid hinge
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Maybe w more hp it may work

hollow wadi
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@tough lodge yes let's make them suffer

solid hinge
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Back to origin was quite fun

hollow wadi
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"Cheater vs cheater firestorm match" that'll be something to watch

solid hinge
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I think firestorm is born due to the "does it have battle royale?" Meme

tough lodge
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yes

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BR is cancer

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I didnt even buy pubg

solid hinge
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Firestorm is the definition of pee shoter

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At range u need more or less 25 bullets to kill someone

tough lodge
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I dont like the idea of looting for 30 minutes then get killed in a 1 minute gunfight

hollow wadi
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Ikr

solid hinge
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300 hp w guns that deal max of 25 dmg

hollow wadi
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*per 5 mags

tough lodge
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Firestorm should have different weapon damage models

hollow wadi
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You forgot the disclaimer @solid hinge

tough lodge
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I never played firestorm anyway

solid hinge
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Btw bfv is not a pee shooter

hollow wadi
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I found 1 game after 6 hours got deleted by some sweaty 6 year old who only plays "ww2 fortnite"

solid hinge
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Bf1 was a pee shooter

uneven hollow
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Bf1 has more grenades but bfv has less

prime pine
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Aghhhhh i love wake islands end theme

tough lodge
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@prime pine yes

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Attackers advance and eor themr

uneven hollow
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Kinda miss that multiple choice in bf1

solid hinge
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Bf1 granade spam was just insane

tough lodge
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Light infantry role should have 3 frags

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The normal frag grenade

solid hinge
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U have 3 frag, u equip 3 anti tank

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60 dmg in 2 secs

hollow wadi
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Remember when we all most had a role when stealth shit

solid hinge
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U can use the granade rifle on assault

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So u can start w 3 frags

hollow wadi
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Bruh I'm still a bit salty they nerfed the granade rifle I liked getting 1-3 kills per shot pre nerf

solid hinge
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U can still do it

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Trow a frag and blow up the frag w that rifle

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U get multy kills all the time

uneven hollow
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But it ain’t the same feel tho

solid hinge
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It was broken that thing

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It even exploded on impact

hollow wadi
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Wasn't that a feature

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I thought it was

solid hinge
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Now it bounces

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For a fraction of a second

uneven hollow
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Hardcore is needed then

solid hinge
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Why hardcore

uneven hollow
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Idk tbh

solid hinge
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It is so fun getting 1htk from a guy u cant even see?

deep forge
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The fucking screen freezes when you die sometimes and you gotta leave

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I was in a good server to

dense bone
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@ me my most hated gun for me to use

jagged crest
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I know how to tick everyone off...

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5.2 Ttk good. 5.0 ttk bad

icy sluice
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Oof, owies, I agree

jagged crest
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God, imagine the 2a with 5.0's ttk... good god...

jagged crest
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Oh... that... 😂

topaz atlas
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Come on Dice i just want do to ToW this weekend aPepeHands

strong parrot
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remember how unaware console players are to people dying 10 feet away? haHAA

icy sluice
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I see the same thing on PC YouTubers

jagged crest
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Theres just some bad apples in the bunch.

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But as a pc player, it's much easier to notice

prime pine
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Smg 08

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I would love to see that once again

strong parrot
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im so happy i stopped playing that shit before that gun was a thing

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looks very fun and totally not more bullshit like a hellriegel haHAA

prime pine
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It was a slow subbie but then became a subbie that would compete with the automatico

topaz atlas
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Hellriegel

prime pine
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It would be interesting to see it again

icy sluice
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Are you a subbie?

hollow iron
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looking for battlefield 4 xbox1 channels in order to join squads

dense bone
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Remember type 2a with 5.0ttk? You mean like the Suomi.

icy sluice
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!!lfg @hollow iron