Everything needed buffs
#battlefield-legacy-titles
stoic breach
prime pine
Before hand it was a OHKO on a direct hit on infy
solid hinge
if they even play the game
prime pine
And did 34 damage on a tanks engine
stoic breach
But everything got nerfed instead
Alot of DICE employees dont play BFV
Because they dont like the game
solid hinge
anti tank tools legit should be 1.5x more powerful at least
prime pine
Its like.... Fine. I use my pistol for destruction but some random fucking idiot shouldnt go unpunished for running in front of me.
solid hinge
and for the love of god give us ranged anti tank tools
prime pine
AT mines are useless now too
solid hinge
who uses AT mines
prime pine
A support cant even destroy a heavy if they sneak up on them
haughty pawn
nobody
prime pine
I used to
stoic breach
Launchers should get their explosions buffed, but require you to fully aim them first
prime pine
For sneaking up on tanks
stoic breach
AT mines were best used as ghetto tank grenades
prime pine
And using the impact grenade to detonate them
stoic breach
Which is fucking stupid
haughty pawn
were
stoic breach
But it worked
prime pine
Wanna know what i did on devastation
stoic breach
Yea
prime pine
When we got the spawn trap on the germans i would plant my mines on the water
solid hinge
no
haughty pawn
wtf lol
prime pine
Its great using your head. 
stoic breach
How would you guys feel about assault launchers requiring you to fully aim them before firing them
prime pine
But dice practically wants brainless fucks in their game
solid hinge
much better razen
stoic breach
And the aim time could be sort of slow, to stop rocket peaking
prime pine
I wouldnt be a fan
stoic breach
And then the explosion radius and damage could be buffed
solid hinge
increase ADS time and make it take full ADS to fire but with higher damage
stoic breach
Yeah Ayla thats how MW2019 launchers work
Just another example of MW completely outclassing BF
prime pine
Then increase damage while ADS but allow panic firing
solid hinge
decrease reload time
one of the reasons assaults are so good vs tanks close up is that they can peek through machine gun fire and not die
stoic breach
Well the frag rifle would be for panic firing
solid hinge
you can literally be firing your tank coaxial at the place where someone will peek and they'll peek and still get the launcher shot off
stoic breach
Frag rifle is already supposed to be bad against tanks
solid hinge
there's literally nothing you can do
stoic breach
Yeah
solid hinge
tanks are too clunky to deal with launchers that can hipfire at them
stoic breach
Launchers for actual utility, frag rifle for panic firing
solid hinge
guys i want sell bf3 premiu macc nayone interested? i want exhcange it for bf4 premium acc for pc.
stoic breach
That works out well
stoic breach
And frag rifle should be rebuffed to like 70 damage at least
main grove
Tbh if I were working at dice I would want BFV to be dead already
The amount of suffering it’s caused both parties
stoic breach
Yeah I would like BFV to be dead as well
main grove
But I don’t
stoic breach
Lol
solid hinge
no allwoedo n facebook no allowed anywhere os when there hm?
main grove
Because BF1 is my most played game of all time
main grove
Because it was battlefield in a non modern setting
I really don’t like modern setting
stoic breach
Yeah BF1 is my most played game as well
main grove
Either historical or future
stoic breach
I dont mind modern but BF4 got old really fast for me
solid hinge
@solid hinge it's not allowed cause it's dodgy innit
try reading the rules
i dont care
fuck rules dont care about them
stoic breach
BF1 had great weapon balance and design after TTK2.0
main grove
Hmmm
haughty pawn
main grove
solid hinge
my hand is forced..
stoic breach
😔
main grove
Fun fact
I have only been banned from one thing in my life
And it was for saying anime sucks
stoic breach
Lmao
haughty pawn
weebs lul
stoic breach
I got banned from a server for a year for sending something with a slur in it, but all the mods thought it was hilarious so they didnt actually care
main grove
I didn’t break any rules
stoic breach
I thought you were supposed to be the mature type
stoic breach
Cause you're 40
stoic breach
prime pine
Im 20!
prime pine
Little shit!
prime pine
Oh nowo
stoic breach
Come here big boy
main grove
All my mates say that I suffer from sunken cost fallacy when I say I don’t absolutely despise battlefield V
stoic breach
😳
stoic breach
I cant say little boy cause you're older than me
Dude how olds ayla
I bet shes a bit of a senpai herself
main grove
37
strong parrot
yikes calling a female old 😩
main grove
JK
stoic breach
🗿
haughty pawn
calling a female old -> open the doors to hell 
stoic breach
Calling a female old and then saying you're into older women
Into older PRIMED women
haughty pawn
too late already lul
main grove
Ayla is just reading this and is like
haughty pawn
i don't wanna know 
main grove
solid hinge
Im 21 I'm FRESH
solid hinge
That's because I'm BAD at games
prime pine
Ayla dont hurt us pls 
prime pine
Why are you so young!?
stoic breach
Cause I felt like it
main grove
Vro I’ve only been 18 for 5 months
prime pine
Oh my god
stoic breach
👀
main grove
Fucking zoomer over here
strong parrot
you all need to get off my lawn
coral fiber
What's with the banana?
prime pine
Its what driving me fucking insane
prime pine
Yes
coral fiber
I wake up
Get on discord
Get told you're going insane because of a banana
Seems like a normal start then
prime pine
Look
I can explain
The banana talks to me
So i want to cut the kunt up
And say
WHO'S IN CONTROL NOW
coral fiber
Are you playing some game, is that why lol?
prime pine
Maybe
Look it turns into a giant meaty banana in the end with two gund and it fucking weirds me out
coral fiber
I have the black cloth because it actually looks nice with the shine
half wolf
Just had a match where my team didnt capture a single point
How the hell do people enjoy the game playing like that?
stoic breach
Frag hunting is the natural instinct of man
half wolf
Most of the team had sub-0.5 KDs in the match
its one thing if they were low levels etc
but most of them were level 60+
icy sluice
MP34 is criminally underrated :p
viscid crater
I need to get the emp
I've been messing with my settings and everything is wrong now
I hate it
idle breach
I clicked windows update helper or something by mistake and all there was a single line about "thank you for keep updating"
like I'd got a choice?
this is why windows will never get 100% monopoly like
prime pine
I laugh at people who are 80+ and hide in the corner
idle breach
if they said "haha you'll gonna update you my bi-tch" I would be praise MS
imo
most of the worst teammates are somewhat at lvl 50~80 group
meager spoke
I thought u meant 80+yrs old
idle breach
authentic noobs are always trying their best and follow the score, so they kinda do aight
50~80 assignment grinders tend to be worst teammates, can't blame them really I suppose
meager spoke
Im a kill grinder
idle breach
100+ users are mostly carrying the round
meager spoke
I usually have some of the most kills but lower score
idle breach
but long time players playtime do not match with lvl since 500 lvlcap introduced later anyway
prime pine
150's 250's are people who know how to play the game.
idle breach
aside that
150+ people are mostly doing
- play bfv, win bfv, carry the round but actually feeling emptiness. playing bfv is not just a habit
- cheating and still not caught
meager spoke
I dont see any cheating on console
idle breach
- being stupidly good at specific things like planes and tanks and shit
idle breach
- always using the most easiest things but when they turn on the "tryhard" mode they become walking nightmare
meager spoke
And team doesnt do anything
prime pine
Im more of an all rounder
meager spoke
Im just good at murdering in infantry
idle breach
most of the 150+ guys are all rounder eventually
prime pine
My friends said "I can do most things with meaningful effect"
idle breach
yeah
prime pine
A guy can tank yet be a shit infantry at 200
idle breach
like can't really defeat every plane but know how to fly
meager spoke
Pc flying seems way easier
idle breach
most of the time 150+ guys are goind like "hmm I don't want to fly this round, hope we got some good pilot in this round"
meager spoke
What level r u
idle breach
and the situation gets real shitty they just do the 1200rpm plane spawn click thing and just win the round
desert dune
I tried plane on PC and lasted about exactly 10 seconds
meager spoke
Thats quite a range
meager spoke
Yes
idle breach
or sith
idle breach
come to the dark side
prime pine
Ill be a major soon
idle breach
sergeant major "getting promoted" to second leutenant
half wolf
tfw you put over 470 damage into a plane and it still doesnt die
idle breach
kinda like vice president of united states got "promoted" to president of some branch of Mcdonalds
half wolf
Ok bombers are invincible, I guess.
idle breach
it's a bug
half wolf
Over 1000 damage collectively into this plane and it hasn't gone down
he's 143-0 on Fjell right now
idle breach
unless you just... tickle the damage
idle breach
yeah that's possible
warm atlas
half wolf
And the enemy team somehow has 7 bombers and we have 1 fighter
idle breach
there are not only just uh, esp and aimlock hacks
half wolf
Or are German bombers just that obscenely unkillable?
idle breach
no
half wolf
I keep damaging him so he shouldn't be able to be repairing, right?
idle breach
yes
half wolf
And he was bombing with perfect accuracy through the blizzard/
idle breach
oh
warm atlas
He’s probably spawn looping.
idle breach
cheating I guess
half wolf
@warm atlas either way theres no way he can repair if I'm damaging him
solid hinge
That sounds pretty suspicious
idle breach
yeah even with keep looping and gettign emergency repair
solid hinge
Even if he's spawn looping that's only 30hp per emergency repair
warm atlas
Hit him with a panzerfaust to assert dominance
half wolf
either way there were 7 unkillable bombers that match
idle breach
and if he's spawnlooping, he'd never get over 100 kills. simply not enough time
half wolf
Honestly I see why so many people cheat in this game.
Shit like this.
Because if I had the ability to super bullet and delete that shithead pilot, I totally would've.
warm atlas
Doesn’t help that base AA is utter trash
half wolf
Also side note - I only just recently started flying planes in this game and oh my god this is busted
The balance is totally fucked
prime pine
Zero has better guns than the corsair
Corsair has better turning than zero
Zero better vehicle bomber
I take zero
idle breach
rly? thought the mobility was same
only zero was better since uh
gun in the better position
not the wing the uh in nose
nose?
rare ermine
Did the unlock bug get resolved? I still have things locked and no playing a round of practice doesn't fix it.
prime pine
Nose and wing mounted guns
Yes
Just make the corsairs guns adjustable
Easy 50-60 M for them
sleek trail
This game is such trash right now, unbelievable
prime pine
Whats your main gripe
coral fiber
I've been flying the stuka a lot more lately
prime pine
B-2?
prime pine
Oh
coral fiber
B2 is bugged rn
coral fiber
The 3.7mm cannons don't damage aircraft
prime pine
Oh
coral fiber
Hitreg bug all over again
prime pine
Surprise surprise
I destroy bombers with ease
But fighters nahh
They should buff the stukas with two 500 Kg's
They're just enough to take on a medium tank
coral fiber
And the default gunner
It's literally useless
sleek trail
It's absolutely insane that they did this to this game and then left it for more than a month. Who tf is in charge over there?
prime pine
The useless fifa guy
coral fiber
I have to sacrifice 1000kg for upgraded gunner seat
sleek trail
This big of an ip, crazy
prime pine
Also the gunner has been lile that for...
It was nerfed a few patches after from release
rare ermine
Recklessonion, for your words into ideas and tell us whats wrong...
coral fiber
Mosquitos are weak when they're on me
prime pine
Remember when the mosquito mark 2 was cool
coral fiber
I shoot their engines to disabled them then i climb
prime pine
Remember when the mk2 was good
sleek trail
@rare ermine what's the point?
coral fiber
Same with Blenheims
coral fiber
Oof
prime pine
Hamada
rare ermine
Stomping your feet doesn;t do anything.
sleek trail
Discussing it here doesn't do anything ether
prime pine
What happens
coral fiber
Lol
prime pine
Ha nice
rare ermine
So your response is to hold your breath and stomp your feet?
half forge
can we switch team in bf5
like in bf1
prime pine
Yes but no
coral fiber
Fuck stallers
coral fiber
That guy deserved it
coral fiber
Yeah
sleek trail
@rare ermine what 🤣
coral fiber
OH WAIT i have another one
prime pine
That guy is very well known for it in oceania
He's a meme as a result
Battlefield is less fun for the masses as a whole
Right now
People are expressing their frustrations and they have every right to
rare ermine
Your vaguely complaining about your proceived issues. Its the same as a child stomping their feet when they are mad.
coral fiber
Didn't go well as planned but I'll take it
sleek trail
@rare ermine and?
prime pine
Ohhhh
Shit
Thats so good
Haha
Better than a corsair absorbing your bombs when they're meant for a tank
Ahahahah
coral fiber
I was like
"Ya know that wasn't meant to happen but ill take it"
glad knot
coral fiber
It's lead grease ;)
teal compass
Anyone else have problems with anti air
proper tapir
really wish they'd upgrade grand operations
make it the main staple it could be
so much potential for this game still...
solid hinge
i still get hitreg issues on anti air
judging by how much I dust on tanks I'm assuming it's the same issue
the damage from one burst is wildly inconsistent
proper tapir
from the beginning grand operations should have been a map/mode tree based on results of each day
solid hinge
Grand ops just feels like a shitty grab bag playlist
solid hinge
The previous days have basically no effect on the next ones
proper tapir
exactly
but if they did actually mean something
like a major/minor victory determined which mode/map came next...
prime pine
Good for points at least
proper tapir
or actually provided you meaningful resources/vehicles/tickets/reinforcements, etc
solid hinge
I do appreciate that they attempted to put like, unique game mode map combos in them, but it doesnt really feel good
proper tapir
yeah first off there's very little context
prime pine
Rotterdam op the best
Cause of rotterdam
The grand ops are a loss for the brits anyways
solid hinge
fuckin arras frontlines
proper tapir
and yeah i'm not against different modes - but would make more sense if it was somehow based on each day's results
solid hinge
64 player arras frontlines with only 1 capturable objective
prime pine
Its hell
solid hinge
terrible mode
prime pine
Devastation's just as bad
proper tapir
yeah some of those modes are designed for 32 players and don't really work with higher player counts
prime pine
I gotta fucking sleep. Its 4 am in the morning
thin sonnet
prime pine
They worm on higher player counts
Its just that
Their version of frontlines on 64p is shit
proper tapir
i was one of the few that never liked BF1 ops going from 40 to 64 players
just a bit too busy even on breakthrough mode
but i've gotten used to it
but i know it turned a lot of my friends off to BF
prime pine
Wanna know a massive improvement to devastation frontlines
proper tapir
yeah really miss rush
prime pine
Imagine if A and C were just merged
solid hinge
they killed rush + domination + frontlines
proper tapir
BFV right now is still missing some variety in fun modes
prime pine
You guys play normal fronlines on devastation?
proper tapir
i used to love jumping around between conquest, rush (now ops/breakthrough)
solid hinge
They even have the extra weekly mode and instead of cycling through actual fun modes they do shit like Pacific TDM
proper tapir
now we are really just stuck with breakthrough and conquest (occassionally)
solid hinge
Put something I can't already play in there
thin sonnet
im a pretty new player and ive really enjoyed breakthrough but on some of the OG maps its pretty bad
proper tapir
yeah breakthrough is better on some maps than others
solid hinge
Breakthrough has balancing issues on a lot of maps
proper tapir
i'm not a huge fan of really high ticket counts as a way of balancing certain maps
thin sonnet
breakthrough on the pacific maps are pretty good though
solid hinge
and it's a fucking slog on others looking at you hamada
proper tapir
yes i like it as a mode, but it's not quite the same as it was in ops BF1
missing something
thin sonnet
breakthrough on mercury is pretty painful
prime pine
Breakthrough individually is so good
half forge
what are the some of the best weapons for each class ...? @me for answer
prime pine
Stg
half forge
kar98k for sniper, ...
prime pine
44
thin sonnet
MP40 for the medic 
half forge
ok so stg44 for assault and kar for sniper
solid hinge
breakthrough has a fundamental issue where on certain maps they get a ridiculous amount of tickets at the beginning and defenders have no means of reducing them apart from through kills; this leads to shit like Pacific storm
sleek trail
Type 2 >all
half forge
what about support
thin sonnet
type 2a is rlly good too
prime pine
Support is shit
proper tapir
yeah i don't like that part @solid hinge
solid hinge
pacific storm has a ridiculous amount of tickets to burn through and as defenders the attackers dont even spawn near you, they have to drive a boat all the way over
proper tapir
just more tickets to try to balance it
can be a real drag if the match isn't really well balanced player wise
prime pine
Pacific storm is BORING as a defender on the first sector
solid hinge
If you do well defending on Pacific storm the game takes forever to finish because they keep getting stuck in their boats
proper tapir
at least in BF1 there was a pause if the attackers were struggling
not just a long drag to drain 500+ tickets
proper tapir
don't get me wrong i like breakthrough, but it's not as balanced as it was in BF1
the battalions idea was pretty genius
solid hinge
It's like squad conquest; if you're doing well you're spawn camping them but if you're spawn camping them you're barely getting any kills because they're stuck in spawn
proper tapir
yeah it can really drag on
but BF has always had an issue of servers that are well balanced vs ones that are completely lopsided
when it's balanced it's the best action
solid hinge
The tickets should start to degenerate if they don't hold an objective after 5 minutes or something
proper tapir
yeah something to speed it up
prime pine
Wake island conq id better than wake island breakthrough
solid hinge
Easy fix
proper tapir
if it's clearly a lopsided match
battalions would work too - a reset and give the attackers some more tanks or reinforcements or something...
kind of like the behemoth used to do
prime pine
Night guys. Im crapping out
solid hinge
@half forge stg44 on assault, emp/type 2a or jungle carbine for medic, 12g/bar/lewis for support, ZH or trench carbine for recon
Night night bodie
proper tapir
just wish they'd fix grand operations and bring back rush/frontlines full time
would make it feel like more a complete game
half forge
@solid hinge what about the KAR
solid hinge
A big problem imo is that they boosted fortification building time but didn't give any extra fortification busting tools
@half forge the bolt actions are pretty shit unless you're constantly landing headshots, and even if you do you're better off with the ZH
proper tapir
the way the modes flow now there isn't a whole lot of time to rebuild fortifications anyway
plush ember
selbsleder 1906 is god gun
solid hinge
agreed
proper tapir
battalions and a reset would be good for that, rebuilding an objective the attackers failed to take
plush ember
stg44 and vstg are overpowerd
proper tapir
that's kind of what i miss about BF ops, the map destruction was a lot more evident because you'd fight over the same ground a few times
fortifications would be perfect for that
solid hinge
with how shit everything is at range, guns are now even worse at spraying through smoke; with how fast you can rebuild fortifications the only thing that can consistently destroy them are tanks, so the optimal strategy for infantry is to smoke objectives and run up with a 50 mag SMG to kill people
plush ember
emp , mp 28 and mp34 suck
solid hinge
infantry balanced is fucked now
mp28 is probably the worst smg currently but the EMP and mp34 have their place
proper tapir
yeah i didn't think anything was wrong with old fortifications speed
kind of took the benefit of support away
.2 seconds instead of .5 seconds lol
i really wish they would have provided some sort of basic maintenance of firestorm too
it was a good change of pace to the normal modes
solid hinge
average players wouldn't build them (and still dont) so I appreciate them being faster for me to build solo, but I can't blow them up; the only consistent tools for blowing up fortifications are piat, dynamite and the AT pistol
proper tapir
yeah most classes have a way to destroy them - wish medic had something good
solid hinge
other than that yi have to rely on a tank
void jewel
hello soldiers
solid hinge
recon and medic cant bust fortifications at all, if you pick panzerfaust or fliegerfaust on assault then you cant bust them at range, and the AT pistol is consistent but piddly right now
void jewel
solid hinge
theres not enough gadgets
plush ember
mr.whearaboo , medic suck against armor, they need to add a granade luncher to the medic class
solid hinge
every class needs a method of busting fortifications
proper tapir
yeah could probably use some satchel charges or bangalores or something
even if that stuff was pickups
void jewel
its been done, no ?
proper tapir
would be cool to be able to grab some heavy explosives from an ammo point or something
plush ember
bangalore a tank
proper tapir
so there aren't 1,000 of them out there, but they'd be available
plush ember
sucky biggy
coarse thunder
I think support should also get a "deconstruction" tool by default
void jewel
solid hinge
the trombone takes like two grenades to blow up a single sandbag wall
which someone can rebuild in less than a second d
void jewel
@coarse thunder why this username
coarse thunder
Like how the repair torch and the fortification tool are simply accessed by a button press, the decondtruction tool would be the same
solid hinge
even with tanks consistently destroying fortifications a single support can rebuild it all before they can shoot twice
coarse thunder
Idk what tool it would be but the idea is ok
rocky verge
if i see that i just rush them
proper tapir
or maybe they give us some melee weapons with different functions like BF1 had
rocky verge
always get a roadkill from it
coarse thunder
Some of the heavy melee weapons break wood
proper tapir
do they still?
solid hinge
WOOD SMASH
proper tapir
i miss having stuff that cut wire
solid hinge
yeah some of the heavy melees can bust wood, it's mostly useful for breaking barricaded windows
coarse thunder
Hence the deconstruction tool
rocky verge
some the melee in BF1 did dmg to light tonks
solid hinge
pickaxe can smash a barricaded window in one hit
plush ember
I think that they shouled have done a support gadget that was like a ammo pack , but it had panzerfaust , and teamates would be able to pick one and use it to kill tanks(like in real life)
proper tapir
yeah but we don't have anything that can cut wire right?
coarse thunder
Outside of explosives and vehicles no
proper tapir
yeah i'm still torn on the whole balancing of weapons in the game - they have to basically nerf everything to a degree because everyone can carry anything
solid hinge
frag grenades at least break barbed wire
proper tapir
MGs could be allowed to be a lot more potent if they were limited
AT could be a lot more deadly if they were limited, etc.
coarse thunder
UNLESS they make multiple "deconstruction" tools, like how the fortification tools change depending on what you want to build
plush ember
mg42 suck, to much recoil
proper tapir
yeah they had to do that
solid hinge
limiting weapon choice to only a certain number of players is lame because there will always be matches where all the good weapons have been taken in advance
solid hinge
the mmgs are fucking awful right now
proper tapir
but that kind of already happens with tanks
coarse thunder
Sandbags, hammer, wrench-thing, small trowel thing, and shovel
proper tapir
people grab tanks, good or bad and the team is stuck with that
plush ember
now the best mmg is the lewis gun
proper tapir
which is silly
solid hinge
You can limit weapons if it's something like rising storm because the playerbase actually takes time to learn the game; I'm convinced 70% of battlefield 5 players dont even know the fortification tool exists
coarse thunder
Deconstruction could just be a hammer and wire cutters
proper tapir
haha maybe
yeah i like the idea of different gadges/melee weapons for different uses
like BF1 had
solid hinge
Bad tankers are already frustrating enough
proper tapir
yeah they are
solid hinge
People picking anti air tanks on maps with no planes
proper tapir
but they could introduce a function to better control that maybe
plush ember
JUST FUCKING NERF THE LIBERITOR
solid hinge
That's basically throwing
rocky verge
good for killing infantry tho
solid hinge
I'd prefer it if they went back to set vehicle spawns
proper tapir
bad tankers can make or break a match
coarse thunder
Well the AA tanks are better at anti-infantry than AA so...
rocky verge
^
solid hinge
Anti air tanks dont even kill infantry as good as normal tanks
coarse thunder
It's incredibly scummy but I can see why people do it
solid hinge
They're shit at anti air and passing at anti infantry
coarse thunder
Passing is still better than shit
plush ember
today I got 15 kill streak with aa tank shotgun rounds
proper tapir
i just wish they would limit certain weapons like they do tanks, but maybe have a team control on people using them
solid hinge
Majority of tanks are good at killing infantry
proper tapir
maybe you get your turn and then get bumped priority after someone else gets a chance
coarse thunder
Plus AA tanks come standard with dozens or hundreds of tiny explosive rounds by default
proper tapir
like a time limit on the next time you can pick that vehicle/weapon after you die
solid hinge
you're gimped vs enemy tanks and you have far less destructive power than a regular tank
cant bust fortifications tiny splash radius
coarse thunder
Not against the 30 other infantry players
solid hinge
the valentine AA used to be worth it because it had ludicrously overpowered case rounds
they got neutered
coarse thunder
There's no point in going AA on any maps that have more than 1 enemy tank
solid hinge
Every time I play panzerstorm breakthrough theres always at least 1 flakpanzer on the first sector
Which is literally a waste of space
coarse thunder
Low iq individual
solid hinge
You straight up shouldnt be able to do that
Too many options leads to stupid gameplay
proper tapir
maybe they should have implemented the SWBF2 system in BF...
scenic beacon
@solid hinge someone say case rounds?
scenic beacon
yall know the clip
proper tapir
or just go back to the old vehicle spawn system
and add more battlefield pickups for AT and MGs so they can all be balanced better
sterile current
Hey guys I’m new to Battlefield.
proper tapir
with the BF1/BFV system i always just choose the same vehicles anyway, would like to maybe have to use the other vehicles if they're all that's available
solid hinge
Greetings exalted one
@proper tapir agreed
I use like two tanks per side because they're usually significantly better than the rest for my purposes
scenic beacon
man, early game balancing was awesome
proper tapir
right exactly
sterile current
I just recently left Call of Duty because I wasn’t really liking their ground war.
proper tapir
maybe have some MMG or HMG pickups so they can be real beasts and not nerfed
yeah CoD Ground War is a bad ripoff that doens't even stand up to BF4
solid hinge
like I want to use light tanks but realistically speaking I have absolutely no reason to
proper tapir
bottom line the game needs more cool pickups or squad reinforcement options for heavy weapons
yeah agreed
scenic beacon
@sterile current battlefield is ground war on steroids
coarse thunder
I have more of a reason to use light tanks than AA tanks lol
Because of that autocannon spec
solid hinge
autocannon isn't good enough vs infantry to justify doing literally 0 damage to enemy tanks, light tank cannons do almost nothing to enemy tanks, you're made out of paper, all you have is your speed
proper tapir
yeah true but i have only been using heavy and medium tanks
sterile current
I also joined battlefield because I like how it acts like a military simulator.
proper tapir
yeah CoD has the advantage on the smaller, tactical modes maybe but doesn't hold a candle to the big modes of BF
coarse thunder
I tend to avoid heavy tanks and I will doubly do so now that the lunge mine will be a thing
solid hinge
medium tanks still have the best damage/speed/armour ratio
coarse thunder
Being slow as shit when trying to reverse away from the onslaught is the big drawback for me
sterile current
I’m going to be playing a support/FlakPanzer type of player
scenic beacon
i remember the days when a careful valentine AA could take on tigers and win... god that was fun
proper tapir
the heavy tanks should be more powerful, but they can't be because they aren't limited in numbers
solid hinge
light tanks give up damage and armour for speed while heavy tanks have slightly better damage and notably better armour but holy fuck they're clunky
proper tapir
i think the heavy tanks should be squad reinforcements
and terrifying
again... balancing
sterile current
So are tanks earned like in Dice’s Battlefront 2?
solid hinge
Nada
You pray you get a tank spawn before someone else
you can technically earn one as a squad reinforcement
proper tapir
yeah special ones
similar to SWBF2
but the rest are only limited to the number available each sector, first-come-first-serve
sterile current
I see.
scenic beacon
Mostly limited spawns tho
solid hinge
tank vs tank damage is too low, AT weapons for infantry have severely limited range, tanks are too clunky
proper tapir
they have to be because of balancing, everything has to be nerfed
solid hinge
gunner positions on tanks are pretty awful as well
im arguing the weakness makes them unbalanced
proper tapir
yes
proper tapir
they do in the current system yes
solid hinge
they refuse to die
novel blaze
wyysywhwhwhsj
proper tapir
sort of
strong parrot
remove them 
proper tapir
the biggest problem with tanks now is they can run away to a safe zone
scenic beacon
better than launch tanks which were basically glorified recon class that took an extra faust to kill
proper tapir
has always been a problem in BF
scenic beacon
squishy as FUCK
solid hinge
Glorified recon tank > literally invincible dreadnaught
I did 3 damage to a tank earlier with a panzerfaust twice in a row
proper tapir
glancing blows?
scenic beacon
i'd prefer tanks to do less damage if they're as chunky as they are
scenic beacon
just a bad angle multiplier or some shit
proper tapir
i wish tanks were more like real tanks, and AT did more realistic damage
solid hinge
It shouldnt go that low, which makes me think hitreg failed or it's the broken armour again
scenic beacon
probably both
solid hinge
hitreg on tanks has been shit since it released
i got more than enough clips of me dusting 15+ shots vs enemy tanks
proper tapir
but that's just a failure of them trying to nerf AT weapons because everyone has them
solid hinge
the infamous tiger
proper tapir
it's a futile back and forth between tank and AT balance
proper tapir
now if they limited the numbers of each, they could both act more like real life
scenic beacon
imagine if melee could damage light tanks like in bf1... that would be fun actually
chase down a 38t with a pick
solid hinge
It's that tanks are too clunky to react to players up close and the piat and panzerfaust can be fired without needing to ADS
proper tapir
my radical belief is that the squads in BF should have defined roles
solid hinge
If an assault is hiding behind a rock and you prefire your tank machine gun where they're going to peek, they can still get the shot off
hi
Because they can fire instantly
whould anybody wana be my friend pls
i wana show my bully that i have friends
so infantry up close has a very agile method of anti tank, while tanks are super clunky up close
proper tapir
a WW2 game should have had more a platoon setup, with different squad types, special weapons teams, etc.
solid hinge
but beyond like 30 metres anti tank tools become worthless
he said if i have only 5 he would stop bullying
proper tapir
and you spawn into those roles
scenic beacon
@proper tapir what you want is Hell Let Loose tbh
proper tapir
haha yes
solid hinge
that fundamentally isnt casual enough for battlefield
solid hinge
imagining the current battlefield players playing that kind of game is painful
scenic beacon
battlefield in the end though is an arcade shooter
solid hinge
you can't rely on your teammates
solid hinge
proper tapir
yeah they could come up with a BF version, somewhere in between
solid hinge
haha he thinks artillery exists in bfv
scenic beacon
also seen a friendly grenade take out 8 teammates
solid hinge
scenic beacon
HLL is fun, but yeah, most casual battlefield players really wouldn't click with it
at all
proper tapir
i think they should take a mode like grand operations and make it a bit more immersive with how it's setup, balanced
sure leave conquest and other modes the way they have been
scenic beacon
grand ops does feel like it needs a rework
proper tapir
but make a mode that is a bit more immersive, has some "platoon" and operational dynamics
scenic beacon
had so much potential
proper tapir
yeah it added a whole new layer to BF
not at time it had balancing issues
but battalions helped with that
scenic beacon
even so, the russian ops were a NIGHTMARE
proper tapir
i'd love to see grand ops return to battalions, and utilize a map/mode tree based on each battle's results
solid hinge
anybody wants to be my friend
proper tapir
they could leverage squad/company reinforcements assets better in grand ops
to take place of behemoths
would love to even see an in-game commander in grand ops
scenic beacon
i'd also like the little cinematic intros, but with the game's somewhat bad voice acting, idk how well it would actually work
scenic beacon
yeah, they feel out of context and sloppily done half the time
proper tapir
show some maps and even footage, show some arrows on a map and tell us what's at stake!
scenic beacon
context is key, and there aint much
scenic beacon
bfv may have better gunplay, but bf1's immersion was fucking awesome
proper tapir
yes agreed
took a step back in that department
i still wonder how fun it would have been to play through the intensity and suspense of a dunkirk grand op
all a race against the clock
scenic beacon
better voice acting + better immersion could make the ops MUCH more bearable
bfv kinda is missing the grit that most battlefield's are known for if you know what i mean
proper tapir
yeah well before BF1 there wasn't much context, but BF1 kind of took that step and so it became the expectation
BF1 was gritty
i just thought when they announced ToW and a journey through the war they'd actually try to tell the story of the war
not looking for a history lesson
but grand ops that kind of give context of what is happening in 1940 would have been nice
so we know why we are fighting over rotterdam
solid hinge
much as I love in-game commander the side without one is at a colossal advantage
proper tapir
or fighting in norway, etc.
proper tapir
well that was the tablet commander
you'd always have an in-game commander
he'd be one of the players
solid hinge
Do you think we need a D-Day grand op?
proper tapir
i mean i'd want one, but not confident we'd get one
coarse thunder
I usually don't even know what the maps are and I just look them up when I hear about them
solid hinge
i dont know how they'd balance pacific vehicles versus European vehicles
solid hinge
the sherman would annihilate everything right now
and the corsairs are on another level as aircraft
proper tapir
yeah i'd love a larger normandy campaign, with both UK/Canadian and US maps all part of the same op
do a couple of airborne maps - 101st in the west and brits at pegasus bridge
solid hinge
It would be cool if they added Greek and Italian models
proper tapir
yeah well we should have at least got the italian faction
coarse thunder
I can't really see them introducing another German tank unless it's the Panther. They already have the "most famous" lineup with the Tiger, PzIV, and STuG
scenic beacon
Juno would also make more sense from a balancing point of view, bit more cover, single allied tank, fight through the town. would be much better than storming the same cliff and being mowed down each time
proper tapir
i really wish they had limited the initial europe maps to the pz38, pzIV, etc
solid hinge
i wish the stug didnt suck
coarse thunder
Basically stugs and the archer already
I can't see actual map artillery vehicles having a use at all in bfield
scenic beacon
stugs and archer are probably as good as we're getting for a long while
proper tapir
i believe there was wespe and priest concept art
solid hinge
tiger is better as a distant infantry mauler imo
coarse thunder
Everything would be used as a direct fire role
sterile current
I always found it kind of funny how the AA Tank didn’t do much damage to infantry or other armored vehicles.
proper tapir
had to nerf it all
everything is nerfed in the name of balance
because everyone can use everything
scenic beacon
@sterile current AA tanks SHREDDED infantry before
solid hinge
The flakpanzer didnt
novel blaze
@coarse thunder bf1 good bf5 bad bad nonono good
solid hinge
It was shit in comparison
scenic beacon
flakpanzer did ok at it, in comparison it was shit
but it was against the fucking case rounds
solid hinge
"Hey guys what if we put the case rounds on the valentine AA but made them fully automatic"
fucking abysmal design choices
scenic beacon
flakpanzer was annoying af because with all the smoke and dust it threw up
couldnt fight it bc you cant fucking SEE
solid hinge
i couldnt even see who I was shooting at with flakpanzer cause after half a second the floor turned into dust
then usually rockets came flying through the dust
scenic beacon
it was basically a portable suppression smokescreen machine
solid hinge
Another problem with tanks is the input lag in first person
oblique mango
why is firestorm dead? its such a fun gamemode... am I missing something what happened
solid hinge
It didnt get updated in months and everyone got bored
oblique mango
why tho
proper tapir
yeah it's a shame
solid hinge
Also the ttk changes make it awful
proper tapir
it was a great change of pace
oblique mango
im confuse don TTK im new to the game
people want to revert it in which way?
longer time to kill or faster?
solid hinge
Guns used to be better at range
proper tapir
it was faster before
solid hinge
Faster ttk
oblique mango
i mean is it that bad that it takes longer?
proper tapir
i'm not going to lie i don't notice it too much
solid hinge
Everything is more accurate and weaker than it used to be
proper tapir
maybe certain guns
solid hinge
Lots of the guns are worse now
proper tapir
at range
oblique mango
is bf5 gonna get dlc or not like i feel like the game isnt complete
or did development stop
proper tapir
haha you are not wrong
solid hinge
it doesnt get dlc it gets consistently updated
proper tapir
it remains a work in progress
solid hinge
but god if it doesnt feel like a beta
oblique mango
where are the cool blimps from bf1? the trains? desert maps
proper tapir
there are desert maps
coarse thunder
Theoretically, the new ttk was supposed to make everything have its own ranges, and it actually did. However, it blatantly shifted the balance in the favor of guns that weren't all around nerfed and is kinda made redundant by the 2A and the M3
oblique mango
never got into one in matchmaking
sterile current
Yeah in real life if you got hit by an AA tank’s flak round you’d be disintegrated.
round geyser
@proper tapir ones you actually remember to go back to tho?
proper tapir
hamada, aerodrome, al sundan are desert maps
oblique mango
am i the only guy that enjoyed the crazy blimps from bf1?
how they crumbled down
or the huge trains
coarse thunder
When did you start playing bf1
oblique mango
when it was released
proper tapir
yeah that was cool but wasn't a thing in WW2
scenic beacon
the immersion and the cinematics on 1 were superior
oblique mango
so much potential
solid hinge
the 2a and grease gun arent great at range, they just show that medic is horrendously overpowered right now with infinite heals and the most powerful close range weapons
oblique mango
i hate BR but firestorm was something crazy good
solid hinge
What do you think the new m1 bazooka will be like?
proper tapir
probably OP like every new weapon
solid hinge
other classes cant kill you before you get close because their range damage sucks and then you get close and maul them
oblique mango
guys whats the heavy bomber planed called?
coarse thunder
I'm not talking about this again
strong parrot
its so good its not in the game
oblique mango
i couldnt find it in the game
sterile current
Didn’t soldiers in WW2 when they used the MG-34 wear a belt on their clothes that had an ammo that fed the MG-34?
solid hinge
which heavy bomber?
scenic beacon
@strong parrot along with 30 other weapons
proper tapir
ju-88 and blenheim
strong parrot
there are no heavy bomber planes just mediums
oblique mango
also how do you get coins fast? cant upgrade and buy scopes
coarse thunder
Fine...the bazooka/pzschrek are probably going to be map pickups that replace the launcher
oblique mango
i played 4 games and i dont even have 1000 coins
proper tapir
i just want mortars!!!
oblique mango
THE WORSE THING OF BF5 is that they literally removed all the cool easter eggs'
no more cool treasure hunts for skins
novel blaze
@proper tapiryou cqn use the piat as a mortor
oblique mango
just a weird crab rave
solid hinge
What does the phone on twisted steel do
coarse thunder
I'd be fine with mortars being fortifications
coarse thunder
That way they can make them heavy mortars with more boom radius
But it won't make the support meta mortar only
scenic beacon
ooh a mortar fortification might be a good idea actually
solid hinge
that would mean trusting dice to put mortar fortifications in good places
they wont
True
solid hinge
^
coarse thunder
I mean it won't be hard considering mortars are 360° in battlefield
novel blaze
I want a game mode like bt but only onr objective
coarse thunder
Plus the map pullup for the shell range
scenic beacon
@novel blaze there was, its called fortress
novel blaze
what
solid hinge
The field guns would be a lot more viable if they were 360 as well
oh God fortress
i forgot about that
scenic beacon
it was one of those weekly modes
coarse thunder
Fortress was dogshit
scenic beacon
that got rotated out
solid hinge
I got like ten kills in one sitting on a pak 40
field guns are best used vs infantry
novel blaze
watch it make a comeback like grind
scenic beacon
it probably will, and it 100% will still be hated
solid hinge
Yea. You hit a tank with it that isnt looking directly away from you and you are fucked
hi
novel blaze
yes
scenic beacon
if you want to ask anywhere, try in another server, its kinda disrupting conversation tbh @solid hinge
solid hinge
Does anyone else have a problem with capturing the final objective on wake island when on breakthrough?
novel blaze
ok i watchwd a gameplay and i know why people hate it
scenic beacon
yeah...
it wasnt... optimal
to put it politely
you know everything you hated about breakthrough? let's make it worse
sterile current
AA Tanks are kind of cool to play with.
You get to support your allies by taking planes out, and you can shoot down enemies parachuting so they can’t get another plane.
I’ve always been an AA gun enthusiast because it seems fun to shoot down enemy aircraft.
solid hinge
Good luck actually killing them
The AA tanks are in an awkward place because pilots good enough to be concerning your team won't get within range and bad pilots are free kills but aren't actually a threat
You're essentially a deterrent
gray glade
it works as long as enemy pilot isn't very good...or if a good pilot is reasonably busy with other planes
you'll die real fast usually, at least i do 😄
i preferre fliegerfast tbh
solid hinge
and if you're a deterrent that tank spawn is usually better off spent on a tank that can kill infantry
the stationary AA is basically just as good as the AA tanks without taking up a tank slot
They also suck at killing parachuting people for some reason
Theoretically their support role is great
I also wanted to use them
They're just pants in action
sterile current
I also read they can be converted into Anti-Infantry Vehicles.
Replace the AA gun with rapid fire Tank cannon
scenic beacon
or just case rounds
at least pre-nerf
man i miss those
i was almost a kht level salt miner for a while
strong parrot
AA tank that fires sturmtiger rounds at 500rpm
scenic beacon
Y E S
plush ember
sherman 105 mm cannon can actully shoot sturmtiger rounds
try it
but the reloud time is huge
solid hinge
The churchill/pacific tank mortar rounds ain't nearly as chunky as the sturmtiger
plush ember
but for a normal tank
solid hinge
Got hit by a sturmtiger directly last night. I saw it fly towards me on its rainbow trajectory. Squad wiped
solid hinge
Shiiiiiiiiiiiii-whoom
solid hinge
We need the Ratte