battlefield-legacy-titles

[dense bone]

and thompson has .3 and .3

type 2a also has lower base dmg and much harsher dmg drop off

[main grove]

Damage
RPM
Spread
Hipfire
Recoil
Velocity
Magsize/Reload
How much space it takes on the screen (Looking at you Type 97)

[dense bone]

its an extremely niche suomi

[stoic breach]

Is the Type 97 in the game

I forgot that weapon existed

[main grove]

Like I'm serious when I say that type 97 should get a fucking form of statistical compensation for the space it takes up

The MG

[dense bone]

fov is factor towards balancing, but that is a very small percentage of it

[stoic breach]

For "extremely niche", it sure does seem quite popular

[dense bone]

its FOTM

[main grove]

I wish you could change view model FOV

[dense bone]

ttk is basically virtually the same compared to suomi

no one complained about suomi

[main grove]

Or even where its place on the screen

I want to put it in middle like DOOM for shits and giggles

[sonic rampart]

Wdym fov model?

[main grove]

Viewmodel FOV

[sonic rampart]

You can change fov

[main grove]

No I mean

[sonic rampart]

Or do you mean third person

[main grove]

You can change how big the gun looks in your hand

[sonic rampart]

First person

[main grove]

No

[sonic rampart]

Oh

[main grove]

You can make the gun appear bigger or smaller in first person

[gray saffron]

difference with suomi is if you want the insane rpm you're gonna be stuck with a 20 mag. with the 2a you can have the high rpm and a 50 mag. plus i feel the suomi is more recoiley

[sonic rampart]

In that case I would make the bren smaller

I dont use it cause

[feral glade]

@main grove how do you do that?

[sonic rampart]

It blocks my vision

[dense bone]

type 2a only has better ttk at range because it assumes you have 100% accuracy

[feral glade]

@sonic rampart yeah myself

[dense bone]

even though type 2a has the worst hrec of the suomi and thompson

[main grove]

You can’t

I’m just saying it’d be nice if you could

Like TF2

[stoic breach]

You get the ammo and rate of fire to compensate, which is why so many people seem to have no issue using it at range

[dense bone]

@gray saffron you dont need the rof increase, and stats show its not more recoiley, could be animations

[stoic breach]

Plus the reload speed

[solid hinge]

H

[feral glade]

oh okay ..i concurr

[dense bone]

@stoic breach both the suomi and type 2a are specced for 50 mag in my graph

[main grove]

The Type 2A does feel odd in terms of recoil

[sonic rampart]

@dense bone so type 2a is worse?

[gray saffron]

okay

[solid hinge]

Is the bf1 peacekeeper worth the hell you go through for it?

[main grove]

Like it’s light but at the same time the H rec can screw you over

[dense bone]

honestly, theres not enough of a difference to say one is better than the other

[sonic rampart]

There is

Type 2A has a satisfying sound

[stoic breach]

Type 2A is a worse Suomi thats easier to use

[dense bone]

only the base versions of the weapons i would argue is better

[sonic rampart]

Brrrr brrrrrr

[dense bone]

hrec is the biggest factor towards ease of use, and it has the worst values...

[main grove]

Is 900 rpm tommy even any good?

Like it feels like the recoil is more severe than on the Suomi

[sonic rampart]

No

[stoic breach]

1028rpm CQB hipfire wont make a weapon anymore difficult to use

[sonic rampart]

Big mag Tommy

[dense bone]

tommy hrec is .3 and .3

[main grove]

I’ve always had an issue making tommy work

It just had too much recoil

[solid hinge]

vrec is usually what counts for ease of use

[dense bone]

vrec is easy AF to compensate for

[main grove]

That shook around a lot rather than went predictably

[dense bone]

just pull down...

[solid hinge]

you cant do anything about hrec so pray

yes!

[sonic rampart]

^^

[dense bone]

hrec you cant compensate for

[solid hinge]

that's why it's for peoppe who cant pull

[stoic breach]

Having to pull is kind of a stupid balancing mechanic, it doesnt really achieve much

[dense bone]

random factor you cant compensate for is way worse than a factor you can compensate for

[stoic breach]

Every weapon in Insurgency needs to be pulled

[main grove]

V rec is only a issue on guns with slow recoil decrease like SARs/SLRs

[stoic breach]

Doesnt make the gunplay difficult, just irritating

[dense bone]

@stoic breach thats exactly what was pre 5.2

[sonic rampart]

@stoic breach wdym it doesnt really achieve much?

[stoic breach]

Jesus 2 fucking pings

[dense bone]

its a meme "balance/skill" mechanic

[solid hinge]

Ease of use doesnt mean effectiveness

[stoic breach]

Ok hang on

[sonic rampart]

[solid hinge]

Just how easy it is to point at the target

Regardless of whether it actually hits them or not

[main grove]

Recoil can make it hard to hit things when you also need to track

[strong parrot]

Nah dice knows how to balance don't worry guys...I hear the Christmas ttk patch coming to us in 11 months will sort this all out

[main grove]

When they’re moving

You have to pull diagonal then

[haughty pawn]

it's true,annoying ppl with the grease suppressor is really fun

[main grove]

Tracking is my biggest issue with aiming

[stoic breach]

Insane vrec doesnt achieve much in the way of weapon balance

[dense bone]

id 100% take a gun with insane VREC but no HREC over insane HREC and no VREC

[stoic breach]

The difference between insane vrec and low vrec is that insane vrec is just annoying

Just play Insurgency or Siege then I guess

[solid hinge]

Like bolts are super easy to use cause big 6x scope with clear crosshairs and effectively 0 recoil but it doesnt mean they're actually effective

[main grove]

Bolts aren’t easy to use

The velocity is shit

[dense bone]

anyone thinking high hrec is better is just wrong

[main grove]

Or do you mean it’s hard to be good with them

[solid hinge]

I didn't say high hrec is better!

[stoic breach]

Reasonable hrec with low vrec is ideal

[dense bone]

youre asking for random recoil that you cant compensate for

[stoic breach]

Even better without spread-to-recoil conversion

[main grove]

Hrec is used to balance things like SMGs from being simply pull down jobs beyond 25m

[solid hinge]

I'm not asking for it!!

[dense bone]

last thing you want in a game is RNG

[stoic breach]

RNG is fine if its balanced properly

[solid hinge]

Average player is not good at pulling down

[sonic rampart]

Rng?

[main grove]

How

[dense bone]

random number generator

[livid dawn]

those stg44 one shot head shot from 100 meters.. so good

[stoic breach]

I would rather SMGs not be able to kill at range because of spread than because of piss damage

[main grove]

Pulling down is the easiest shit

[solid hinge]

One reason why the nambu is more popular than suomi

[sonic rampart]

Oh

[solid hinge]

Despite having higher hrec

[feral grotto]

did they reverted the reverted ttk back to 5.2 ;o?

[dense bone]

the biggest reason its more popular is because it just came out

[feral grotto]

played few games on a server now and it feels weird

[main grove]

What

[dense bone]

literally accounts for 70% of the reason people pick it

[main grove]

Remember flieger when that came out

[solid hinge]

There's that as well, but I've seen more nambus than any other weapon that just released in the entire game so far

[stoic breach]

Good number crunching

[main grove]

Now try and find it

[dense bone]

people dont know stats either

[main grove]

Nambu is also available from level 0

[dense bone]

its a new gun that promotes zerging which most casuals do

[sonic rampart]

But what if you Go for the high rof Nambu? @dense bone

I use 51 bullets now

[dense bone]

high rof type2a is just dumb

[main grove]

Tbh I’m kind of bored of the spec tree balance of pick high RPM or Bigmag

[dense bone]

you kill what? .07 seconds slower with 50 mag?

[main grove]

Like what if I want a tommy

[solid hinge]

High rof 2a > bigmag 2a

[main grove]

That is 720rpm

20 round mag

But super accurate

[strong parrot]

What if you want to use a ww2 Thompson

[dense bone]

theres virtually no reason to pick high rof 2a vs bigmag 2a

[sonic rampart]

What if you want to use a Tommy out of mafia movies

👀

[main grove]

Bigmag has such few downsides

[solid hinge]

hipfire and the biggest mag on a light bolt smg

[strong parrot]

Why is the angry uk mod still advocating wrong information that faster rof is better

[main grove]

I just wish spec tees were less predictable

[solid hinge]

it kills faster than tommy light bolt while having more effective kills in the mag and reloading the same speed

[main grove]

Big mag OR big RPM

[stoic breach]

Gun that promotes zerging

[solid hinge]

bigmag nambu is shitter suomi

light bolt nambu > suomi and thompson light bolt

[main grove]

Shitter

But easier to use

[sonic rampart]

How is the reloading time tho

[strong parrot]

Never using the suomi means you don't know it's worse then

[sonic rampart]

Nambu vs suomi

[main grove]

I love how tommy is now just disregarded

[dense bone]

big mag vs rof

difference is negligible

[main grove]

Barely a difference

Compare Bigmag Suomi to rpm Suomi

[dense bone]

id rather have 30% more bullets than kill 5% faster...

[dense bone]

actually thats 60% more bullets

[sonic rampart]

Whats that

[solid hinge]

It's more for the hipfire spec than the light bolt

[scenic beacon]

yall too big brain

[solid hinge]

Reload speeds of Thompson Nambu Suomi

[main grove]

I’ve always felt Suomi and Tommy had too long reload times for 20 round mags

[dense bone]

not like hipfire is bad on bigmag for type 2a

[main grove]

Type 100 has a snappy reload doesn’t it?

[sonic rampart]

So Nambu has a good reload time

[solid hinge]

Light bolt suomi often has to empty reload and 3.75 second reload on a 20 mag gun sucks

[main grove]

Reminds me of a KF2 reload

[solid hinge]

31 mag light bolt nambu will get tactical reloads way more often

under 2 second reload is super solid

[main grove]

20 round empty reload should be like 2.8 seconds on Suomi and Tommy

[sonic rampart]

Im that guy who reloads after 1 bullet

[main grove]

Fucking Japanese SMGs just get fast reloads for no reason

[sonic rampart]

Therefore Nambu is my gun

[solid hinge]

Double hipfire spec smgs are really nice

long distance and shaves off ads time

plus the light bolt boosting it even more and you can win a 1v1 with basically anyone

you can kill sprinting shotgun users before they leave sprint cause you get slings and swivels and they dont

[main grove]

Why do shotguns get like 3 useless filler specs

[solid hinge]

Because they made shotguns shit for some reason

[main grove]

Drilling has got ADS tree I think

[stoic breach]

Shotgun entire spec tree is filler

Drilling has a rifle barrel tree lmao

[main grove]

Solid slug

[solid hinge]

The rifle tree on the drilling is so fucking stupid

[main grove]

Penetrating shit

Not gonna replace that

[stoic breach]

Imagine your life being so shit that you give half of a shotgun tree bolt action specs

[main grove]

Hey I use that tree

[stoic breach]

[gray saffron]

the rifle bullet is pretty stronk though

[main grove]

I like the fast ADS walk

[solid hinge]

....

[stoic breach]

Fast ADS means you dont have to walk

And you get 3 shots max

[dense bone]

fast ads walk is a spec that you move faster while ads

its like 60% faster ads movement speed

[stoic breach]

Yeah, but why would you need to walk faster with a shotgun that also has quick aim

[solid hinge]

The rifle barrel side of drilling does get lightened stock, but.. why...

[stoic breach]

When you can just not walk and quickscope people

[dense bone]

for shotgun its kinda weak since most people should be decent at aiming

but you never know with how bad some people are

[solid hinge]

Drilling dumps its mag in under a second in any case

[stoic breach]

Yeah lightened stock would only take affect in the frames where ADS isnt finished I guess

[rocky verge]

Saw the specs for the grease gun

[solid hinge]

You cant ads when reloading

[rocky verge]

Might do RRRL

[main grove]

The left skills are shit

That’s why I go right on the drilling

[solid hinge]

heavy load
shit

[main grove]

I use the rifle bullet a lot as well

[stoic breach]

Shotguns should just have over penetration to begin with

[solid hinge]

it's literally extra range

[stoic breach]

And heavy load

[main grove]

2m

Wow

[rocky verge]

12G best shotgun

[stoic breach]

Yeah shotguns should just get heavy load effect by default

[solid hinge]

Considering the shotguns shoot shorter than party poppers at the moment that makes a considerable difference

[main grove]

It should get faster bullet in the right tree maybe

And reload speed

Shotguns have always been about 10m in BF1 and V

[dense bone]

idk, if you make shotgun range higher sounds like they would wreck

[solid hinge]

drilling single shot reload is 2.8 seconds and both barrels is 3.3 seconds i think

the two shot shotgun takes longer to reload than the 50 mag smg

[stoic breach]

Not if its reigned in

[brave garnet]

Not bad

[main grove]

Compare that to model 1900 from BF1

Which actually had a fast reload

[solid hinge]

often the first shot doesnt even kill people

so you're almost always double tapping

[stoic breach]

They should let the rifle barrel OHK under 10m at least

I think that would make a massive difference

[solid hinge]

Built in slug

[main grove]

If it’s gonna be on a shotgun yeah

Built in slug but not shit at range

[solid hinge]

ghetto shotgun on the actual shotgun

[brave garnet]

The rifle bullet was a 9.3mm wasn't it

[solid hinge]

[main grove]

Yeah why not

That’s amazing

[solid hinge]

I like that

[stoic breach]

Yeah make it a real triple barrel

[solid hinge]

That would actually be fun

[main grove]

OHK up to 15 on the rifle bullet

[solid hinge]

Would still take like 6 seconds to reload all three barrels as well so not OP or anything

[stoic breach]

I would say 12 max just cause it already has the other two barrels

[main grove]

I remember when I thought drilling was gonna get 6x scope

[stoic breach]

Bruh

[solid hinge]

god i wish

[stoic breach]

Oh yeah, what are the drilling specs again? Cause I'm thinking shotguns should be buffed to get heavy load by default, and it should just be replaced by slings and swivels or something

[tribal ledge]

I've had the auto 8 not OHK 3 feet

[stoic breach]

As a filler spec it wouldnt matter if the shotgun was strong as is

[main grove]

Give it duckbill

[stoic breach]

Oh god

[main grove]

[stoic breach]

[solid hinge]

trigger job/quick aim
heavy load/barrel bedding
penetrating shot/lightened stock
internal choke/custom stock

[stoic breach]

Ok thanks

[solid hinge]

the entire left side should basically be built in

[stoic breach]

Other than internal choke, pretty much

[main grove]

Right should focus on bullet

Left should focus on shot

[stoic breach]

Thats what it does already, which is why it sucks

[solid hinge]

barrel bedding for a fuckin 3 second reload rifle shot?

[main grove]

Maybe give it a 3rd 4th option like Garand for slugs

[stoic breach]

I would say just give it the option for slugs to begin with

[main grove]

No but right should have things like higher velocity

[solid hinge]

TRIPLE SLUG

[main grove]

Heavy load

Stuff like that

[stoic breach]

Yeah triple slug would be meme as fuck

It would just be stupid fun

[solid hinge]

give it a 4th tier spec where it shoots all three barrels at once

[stoic breach]

Hahahaha

[main grove]

They should add more memey 3rd options to trees

[solid hinge]

unironically would be fun as hell

[main grove]

Like silencer on STEN

Or dual mag on MP40

MP40 had an experimental dual mag feed thingy

[haughty pawn]

dual mag mp40

that would be so dope

[main grove]

1500rpm MG42

But maybe stuff like that wild stop you on the 2nd tier

[haughty pawn]

and yeah,silencer sten is really missing

[solid hinge]

one tier upgrade

it just stops at level one

[main grove]

I’ve always thought why not give Suomi the actual 70 round drum but have it stop you quickly

[stoic breach]

trigger job/quick aim
quick reload/slugs
internal choke/lightened stock
slings and swivels/custom stock

[main grove]

Yeah

[stoic breach]

Thats all I can think of for drilling

[solid hinge]

triple barrel drilling i want so badly

[stoic breach]

A much more interesting spec tree

[solid hinge]

it actually hurts

it would be so funny

[main grove]

EXPLOSIVE SHOT

BF4 FRAG ROUNDS

[vernal kestrel]

hey

[marble phoenix]

2020 and still no “vehicles destroyed” stat

[brave garnet]

Would be nice if you could get a 75 round drum mag for the MG42 with light bolt

[main grove]

MG42 should have storm drum by default

[stoic breach]

I had to fix my spec tree idea

[main grove]

That’s what contains 50 rounds

[stoic breach]

I forgot internal choke only affects buckshot

[main grove]

Its icon has the storm drum

[solid hinge]

Choke the slug

[brave garnet]

Squeeze bore

[main grove]

What does choking the slug actually do

[stoic breach]

[main grove]

Doesn’t it make it less accurate

For some reason

[stoic breach]

Probably

But yeah

That would make the drilling more fun

Also if slugs killed at 12m instead of 10m

[main grove]

also make auto 12g 257 rpm two shot again

[stoic breach]

And the third barrel had slug damage

[main grove]

Rather than a pump action with no pump

[stoic breach]

You could either go 2 buck 1 slug, or triple slug

[sage lagoon]

So what happened with that TTK change anything interesting

[stoic breach]

Yeah 12g auto at 257rpm was so much fun in BF1

[sage lagoon]

I’m just curious

[stoic breach]

That shit needs to come back

[brave garnet]

Squeeze bore to APCR it makes it go faster, penetrate more armor, penetration drops very fast after 500m and wears down barrel faster

[main grove]

Current 12g auto should be like how the sjogren feels

[solid hinge]

buckshot boys AT

[main grove]

Oh my god

[brave garnet]

M1897 with slam fire

[strong parrot]

@solid hinge I'd pay bigly money to see you fire all 3 barrels at once irl just to see how far back you fly

[solid hinge]

it goes big kablooey

[main grove]

CASE ROUNDS ON AT

Rifle

[stoic breach]

Yeah M1897 slam would be nice

[solid hinge]

BOOM

[main grove]

The fucking memes

[brave garnet]

Hey, A-Ayla, full auto Boys AT

[main grove]

Actual shotgun

[sage lagoon]

The drilling was way more fun before the TTK change

[solid hinge]

double barrel AT rifle

[stoic breach]

That sounds epic as fuck

Some titanfall shit

[sage lagoon]

Bro

Elephant gun

[solid hinge]

give the drilling boys rifle shots

[scenic beacon]

boys with a bayonet

[stoic breach]

God damn

[solid hinge]

this is why future games are FUN

You can do STUPID guns

[brave garnet]

Would be cool if you could use a .50 cal as primary for support, but you can't aim while standing or fire

[stoic breach]

I wish bolt actions were actually strong

[main grove]

Still mad they didn’t add bayonet webley to BF1

[solid hinge]

There's like barely any stupid fun guns in bfv

[stoic breach]

Yeah

[solid carbon]

attacked enemies won't receive directional hitmarkers when u play with supressor i didn´t even knew that lol

[brave garnet]

The Liberator

[stoic breach]

Yeah its complete cancer

[solid hinge]

they don't even get the fucking hitmarkers?

[sage lagoon]

Straight give us elephant guns

[solid hinge]

holy shit

[stoic breach]

Lack of information already sucked in BFV

[main grove]

Yeah I once got shot by commando carbine and it didn’t tell me where from

[sage lagoon]

Fucking 84 caliber guns

[solid hinge]

that's antifun

[strong parrot]

We knew there would be no hit indicator already

[sage lagoon]

Elephant gun all the way bro

[strong parrot]

Why are you surprised

[solid hinge]

I didnt get hitmarkers with commando but I got killed by it so little I assumed that was a bug

[solid carbon]

its not that bad, we only have 2 supressed weapons so far

[solid hinge]

the commando is a bugy mess

[stoic breach]

Still wish De Lisle got buffed

[main grove]

I mean maybe the hit marker should be bigger to make it a bit harder to pinpoint exactly where you got shot

[stoic breach]

It should've had a slug shotgun damage model

[solid hinge]

tfw both suppressed weapons are on MEDIC instead of RECON

[main grove]

When shot by supresserm

[stoic breach]

But with shitty bullet drag

[sage lagoon]

Anyway I wish they could change the shotguns back to how they were last year

[solid hinge]

@sage lagoon me too

[main grove]

Slug shotgun model would be a bit powerful with 107 rpm

Actually wait no

[stoic breach]

Not really

[sage lagoon]

They were actually fun and usable

[main grove]

Never mind

[sage lagoon]

They feel shit now

[main grove]

Slugs are already that rpm

[solid carbon]

The 12g is still good with buckshot

[stoic breach]

You would just get 5 kills a mag under 30m

[sage lagoon]

Maybe but I had way more fun with the drilling

[solid hinge]

m30 is the only shotgun i still use

[stoic breach]

I'm saying 30m because thats the range where you are useful as a player

[solid hinge]

I'm not sure I'd call any shotgun good but 12g beats m1897 for sure

[main grove]

Maybe commando being a one shot up to 10m is an alright idea

[solid carbon]

Yep

[main grove]

But super intense drop

[brave garnet]

I always use buckshot

[sage lagoon]

Even the drilling feels horrible now

[stoic breach]

Not intense drop

Just bad drag

[main grove]

Fuck I want slug carbine now

[brave garnet]

I'd rather not aim when I use a shotgun

[stoic breach]

Yeah it would make it actually useful

It should also be a recon weapon

[main grove]

The other bolt carbines wouldn’t be 1hkos right?

[stoic breach]

All the bolt carbines should've been recon weapons

[main grove]

But instead just as they are now

[stoic breach]

Yeah that would be fine

[sage lagoon]

Slugs in bf1 were extremely fun

[stoic breach]

Because recon bolts should be OHK

[sage lagoon]

Make slugs like they were in bf1

[stoic breach]

Bolt carbines should be there for headshot players to flex

[main grove]

Bring back sweet spot

[solid hinge]

I want commando carbine on recon but I like the other two on medic

[main grove]

It was actually really good in BFV I don’t get why people got mad over it

[sage lagoon]

Shotguns are for people that are good at flanking and sneaking to flex

[solid hinge]

Bigmag smg is better if you're flanking

[stoic breach]

I think a combination of [ medium ADS / fast velocity / sweetspot ] and [ slow ADS / slow velocity / OHK ] would be good

[solid hinge]

Shotgun is better for direct 1v1

[sage lagoon]

Eh

Not in my opinion

[solid hinge]

@solid hinge your almost always wrong with that argument its all about timing

[stoic breach]

You could get a nice variety of different performing snipers

[solid hinge]

Shotgun has fastest potential kill time but downtime between shots while bigmag smg has more potential kills per mag and chains kills faster than shotgun

[stoic breach]

Also bullet drag was tuned to sweetspots in BF1, so shooting past a sweetspot made the rifle suck

[sage lagoon]

True

[solid hinge]

@solid hinge fun guns over good guns is how i play

so that doesnt realy matter to me

Like in a direct 1v1 close up shotgun (shouldnt) lose to anything (despite happening all the time)

[sage lagoon]

But the fact that the smg kills slower than the smg gives people more of a chance to notice you

[solid hinge]

If you get a proper flank you get time to line up headshots on people and chaining headshot kills behind people is way faster than multiple shotgun kills even on the 12g

[sage lagoon]

You don’t know how many times I’ve successfully flanked and then killed several people in a group because none of them noticed me because I instantly killed all of them

And that’s with a drilling

[solid hinge]

You kill more than one person with a drilling?

wtf hacks

[sage lagoon]

When I run out of shots with it I just go up and melee cause people are daft and just don’t notice

[stoic breach]

I mean, if the optimal way to use a weapon is when someone isnt looking, thats not great

[solid hinge]

untrue depends is it the type2a or any other smg

[sage lagoon]

I’m not saying it is the optimal way

[solid hinge]

Any bigmag smg can chain kills faster than the 12g

[sage lagoon]

I’m just saying it’s one good way to use it

[solid hinge]

apart from maybe the mp28 but that gun sucks now

[gusty kiln]

Hello

[solid hinge]

rip mp28

[stoic breach]

Rip

That gun had good potential

[solid hinge]

my old favourite smg

[stoic breach]

And great minmax before 5.2

[solid hinge]

blown to irrelevance

[stoic breach]

You didnt waste ammo as fast as Suomi or Thompson

Well balanced weapon

[solid hinge]

its about the person holding the gun not the gun its self

[sage lagoon]

I value detectability over ability and speed of chaining kills

[stoic breach]

A good person using an MP28 isnt as good as just using a good weapon

[solid hinge]

not true we boys at HNR dont call it the hitmarker gun for nothin

It used to be great

5.2 killed it

stone cold

dead in the water

[stoic breach]

If a gun gets more hitmarkers than kills

HMM

[sage lagoon]

5.2 just made the problem it was trying to solve worse

[solid hinge]

Shotguns are more detectable than an smg if anything

[stoic breach]

Relatively speaking

[sage lagoon]

I disagree

[stoic breach]

Yeah problem is that shotguns need to be finely tuned so they arent just binary rifles

[solid hinge]

Majority of people use bullets so that mixes with background noise but a close up shotgun blast sounds very different

[stoic breach]

Just either incredibly strong or incredibly pointless

[solid hinge]

If you're suomiing someone in the back they dont have time to react in any case

DICE: makes 5.2

also dice: makes type 2 smg

hmmmmm

[sage lagoon]

From my experience, it’s much more suspicious when you hear several shots from behinds you and a guy next to you dies than it is when you hear one shot behinds you and a guy next to you dies

[stoic breach]

Type 2A smg isnt that bad of an issue

[solid hinge]

on ps4 it is

[stoic breach]

It just needs some tuning so it feels different to other weapons

[sage lagoon]

It’s easier to associate multiple shots with a death than it is one single shot with a death

[stoic breach]

Meta isnt really an issue

[ivory acorn]

I swear I spend half my time searching for decent lobbies than actually playing the game

[sage lagoon]

Especially when you’re in the middle of a fight

[solid hinge]

all the medics on ps4 arent reviving anymore

[stoic breach]

Dude

Medics have always been better at fragging than reviving

Thats what happens when medics have SMGs

The best CQB fragging weapon in the game

[solid hinge]

Shotgun sounds entirely different to smg though

[sage lagoon]

Well it is now

[hot drum]

Greese gum does not kill im 4 bulleys

[sage lagoon]

Yeah I know they are

[solid hinge]

A shotgun shot is immediately recognisable

[ivory acorn]

I don’t remember a time where medics on pa4 were reviving. Maybe once every few matches

?

[sage lagoon]

Not really

I mean kind of

Depends on the shotgun

[stoic breach]

Medics have the choice of getting 100 points a kill multiple times, or getting 100 points a revive occasionally

[solid hinge]

@ivory acorn your not wrong

[sage lagoon]

I’d say the drilling is the hardest to distinguish between other shots

[ivory acorn]

I barely get revived by medics

[stoic breach]

Medics just shouldnt have SMGs, simple as that

Because they frag too quickly

[solid hinge]

If I hear a shotgun shot and someone drops that's a lot more suspicious than more gunfire adding to the currently existing gunfire

[stoic breach]

For a support role

[ivory acorn]

And when I do, it’s literally when there’s a hundred guys near by

[scenic beacon]

@solid hinge might as well bayonet at that point

[solid hinge]

@solid hinge the drilling sounds like a sniper and most people who play the game dont have ears so it realy doesnt matter

smgs used to suck but they felt awful to use and everyone complained

[sage lagoon]

But my point still stands that hearing one single shot behinds you probably won’t get you to check behind you as quickly as hearing a magdump of rounds

And from my experience that’s true

Flanking with any fully automatic weapon has always gotten me killed way faster with less kills than flanking with a shotgun

[solid hinge]

the only weapons the other classes have that can stand up to smgs are the m1907 (only matches bigmag smgs and doesn't have good hipfire so loses and has a small mag) and shotguns (really godawful range and inconsistent) & the.. bar? i guess. which has the same problem as the m1907

[ivory acorn]

I’m on the last challenge for this TOW, and every time I join a breakthrough match, it’s on defense to a point where we’re either beating them on the first sector, or letting them constantly capture ours with no recaptures

[sage lagoon]

Anyway that’s how it was before 5.2

I forget that post 5.2 shotguns are shit and smgs are op

[ivory acorn]

It’s always the last challenges that take forever

[solid hinge]

poor shotguns

[ivory acorn]

They’re so simplistic, but then everything falls apart.

[stoic breach]

Still wish medics lost their SMGs and got assault rifles instead

[ivory acorn]

The 200 squad kills was easy, until you find out that it doesn’t count squad kills

[sonic rampart]

I dont

[stoic breach]

Just so medics couldnt frag as easily

[sage lagoon]

Shotguns weren’t even op in any way before the update

[solid hinge]

wtf that would make it worse

[stoic breach]

And would probably be better for reviving

[sonic rampart]

^^

[ivory acorn]

Now this is easy to capture 12 objectives, but now I’m always on defense with a team that ever wins at the very beginning or loses and doesn’t bother recapturing points

[sage lagoon]

I don’t understand why they nerfed shotguns

[stoic breach]

Why would anyone want medics to have CQB weapons anyways, medics shouldnt be fragging tanks its just stupid

And having SMGs and SARs in the assault class makes sense from a rifleman point of view

[sage lagoon]

Just revert smgs to how they were before 5.2

[solid hinge]

revert all the guns

[stoic breach]

Everything should be as strong as they were before 5.2

[sonic rampart]

[dense bone]

because if they had med/ranged weapons like other classes they would be super good with infinite healings

[sage lagoon]

5.2 made all the “problems” they were trying to “solve” worse

[stoic breach]

Yeah thats why infinite self heal is fucking stupid

[dense bone]

5.2 was about defining ranges

[solid hinge]

they arent gonna revert

[dense bone]

which is what they did

[solid hinge]

the smgs dominate currently because they nerfed the range potential of everything while retaining close range damage, so it's harder to kill medics before they get up close to you because smoke and infinite heals

[sonic rampart]

Self healing always was there

[stoic breach]

And its always made medics too strong

[sage lagoon]

They said 5.2 was about making all guns equally viable in different ways

[solid hinge]

and even if they're miles away just use jungle carbine lol

[sonic rampart]

Well support has infinite ammo

[sage lagoon]

And they didn’t at all

[stoic breach]

In BFV its the worst because of the med pack self heal system

[sonic rampart]

[solid hinge]

Everyone has infinite ammo now

They fucked attrition

[stoic breach]

Support having infinite ammo makes no difference

[dense bone]

equally viable in different ways is in regards to their range

[sonic rampart]

Shhh

[slender oriole]

Xd

[solid hinge]

Ammo pouches are literally useless now

Absolute waste of a slot

[sage lagoon]

They made the gaps between the power of all weapons way bigger

[dense bone]

which is defining ranges...

[sonic rampart]

Not always

Sometimes I need ammo

But nobody gives me

[solid hinge]

The heck are you using

[stoic breach]

Ammo pouch already just kind of sucked

[solid hinge]

The selb 1906?

[sonic rampart]

Im using

[dense bone]

support still has a slot in match, you just dont need it

[sonic rampart]

Not dying a lot

[stoic breach]

Supports should just have ammo aura if anything

[solid hinge]

Ammo pouch was already pants but its literally useless now

[stoic breach]

No need to waste a slot on a button press

[sonic rampart]

Which leads to using my revolver

[solid hinge]

dice dosnt know how to fix anything they are like a kid trying to put back together a broken vase it kinda fixed but its realy obvious that its still broken

who bf1?

[dense bone]

we sometimes use support in our squad matches if we live long enough

@solid hinge at least they can make the vase in the first place while other people cant and still talk shit

[solid hinge]

@sonic rampart guns have like a bajillion extra rounds now how the hell are you killing this many people without picking up the ammo they drop and not interacting with an ammo station

[sonic rampart]

Im not saying its happening all the time

But sometimes you cant pick up the ammo

And there are a lot of enemies

[dense bone]

holding lines away from stashes can deplete ammo

[strong parrot]

Use the 1906 if you think guns have ammo

[solid hinge]

They forgot to change that one that's on them

The ZH can have like 60 extra shots

[stoic breach]

AAA game

[strong parrot]

Oh you were talking about it

[stoic breach]

[solid hinge]

@dense bone im the player who gives the money that built that vase so my argument is still valid

[dense bone]

xD

[strong parrot]

55+5 😩

[dense bone]

the vase was built from the publisher, not you

[strong parrot]

Are they even aware of the ammo issue

[ivory acorn]

I join a breakthrough match where we have 100 tickets left on offense, and no one pushes the objectives so we lose

[solid hinge]

who funded the building of the vase

[strong parrot]

Clearly low priority

[stoic breach]

Whats with all this philosophical shit now

[solid hinge]

Some of the bigmag smgs do have lower max ammo counts but like every ammo pouch you pick off a corpse is something like 4 more kills so it barely matters

the playerbase

[dense bone]

lol you put to much stock in the consumers

[sonic rampart]

4 more kills?

[dense bone]

we are just a metric to determine if future titles are made

[sonic rampart]

You pick up like 20

[solid hinge]

50 mag smgs get something like 17 shots back off an ammo pouch I think

That's 4 kills innit

dont ammo pouches refill fully?

The ammo pouches the enemies drop

[sage lagoon]

Ok I think you’re misunderstanding what I’m saying

[solid hinge]

ahhh

[sage lagoon]

I know that they were trying to make each gun equally good at doing different things right?

[solid hinge]

Which look exactly the same as the ammo pouches support has which leads to misunderstandings

mhm

[sonic rampart]

I dont mind

[dense bone]

@sage lagoon they are trying to define ranges and make each gun balanced despite much different stats compared to pre 5.2

[sage lagoon]

Yeah I know

[dense bone]

didnt seem like it

[sage lagoon]

Each gun is supposed to be good at doing it’s own thing

[sonic rampart]

I feel like they kind of fucked up

[sage lagoon]

Like smgs good at close range

And aussult rifles at mid range

And so on right

[dense bone]

yep

[sage lagoon]

The thing is

[sonic rampart]

They wanted to make a difference between guns

[sage lagoon]

They’ve just made some guns way worse than others

[solid hinge]

They certainly made a difference at long range

Now theres only two guns good at range

[sonic rampart]

So you have guns in diff situations

[stoic breach]

Make difference between guns so all guns have no recoil

[solid hinge]

Pick the ZH or 1906 if anyone is beyond 50 metres or suffer

[dense bone]

bolts are at least better at range

[stoic breach]

So people assume they can be magdumped at range

[dense bone]

but yea, slrs are just way better, but that was the case pre 5.2 too

[sage lagoon]

They were trying to make say, long range guns as good at long range as short range guns are with short range

[solid hinge]

Bolts still suck as much as they used to, you just dont die in 1v1s anymore because the other person is doing 10 damage a shot

[sage lagoon]

But instead some weapons are still clearly better at doing too much that other guns are supposed to do

[dense bone]

@stoic breach you can magdump at range, but if youre not using a ranged specific gun youll have to headhunt

[solid hinge]

This benefitted jungle carbine a lot more than bolts

[sonic rampart]

Smh

[stoic breach]

Yeah why give players the impression they can do that

Its stupid

[sage lagoon]

Like the type 100 can fill in an assault rifle role

[sonic rampart]

I hate the fact they gave the jungle carbine to medics

[sage lagoon]

In a way

[dense bone]

@sage lagoon it will take time to balance, pre 5.2 most people narrowed it down to using the same 2-3 guns per class too

[stoic breach]

Just increasing spread differences wouldve been enough

[dense bone]

such is the nature of a game that has 50+ weapons

[sonic rampart]

Bringing back the bf1 sniper medics

[stoic breach]

Headhunting is brainlet weapon balance

[sage lagoon]

And some guns just didn’t deserve the nerf they got

[dense bone]

giving impressions doesnt mean anything

[sage lagoon]

Like shotguns

[stoic breach]

It does

People use weapons how they feel they should be used

[dense bone]

game knowledge is a thing that exists

dont be mad that people are dumb

[stoic breach]

Is intuition not just as important as knowledge

[dense bone]

no

[sage lagoon]

Imagine if shotguns in games were realistic lol

[stoic breach]

Feeling one thing and having it perform another is simply unintuitive

[solid hinge]

Pre-patch most guns had a purpose

[sonic rampart]

Knowledge is more important

[sage lagoon]

I could shread someone at 20 meters

[solid hinge]

There were really only a couple that didnt and they refused to buff them for some reason

[feral glade]

I'm hoping dice is re=testing this shit as we speak...hopefully through feedback as well

[dense bone]

because most guns were lazily balanced and effective almost everywhere

[solid hinge]

You cant call pre-patch balancing any lazier than current balancing

[dense bone]

when all guns are a minimum of 7/10 effective at their worst range of course they are all gonna work

[stoic breach]

Disagree because spread exists for that exact purpose

And its based on efficiency

[solid hinge]

If they're this shit at balancing then I'd prefer they be lazy with it

[stoic breach]

Everything can be used at range

But why would you even try

[dense bone]

your preference towards all guns working in all situations doest mean defined ranges is universally bad though

its just preferences

[sage lagoon]

To be honest they should have just made short range weapon have more spread and recoil to the sides

[stoic breach]

Ranges were already defined by spread

[dense bone]

hardly

i used suomi easily up to 50m

[sage lagoon]

Yeah hardly

They should have made it more intense

[solid hinge]

Defined ranges sucks when they have literally 2 guns that are good at long range in the entire game

not to mention the whole 5btk up close they had going on

[sage lagoon]

Also they could have increased weapon sway for short range weapons

[stoic breach]

"Easily" doesnt exactly mean its good at it

[dense bone]

it certainly wasnt bad though

and that was with a gun that melted up close

[stoic breach]

Suomi at 50m doesnt kill as fast as an SAR at 50m

Its efficiency at its most obvious

[dense bone]

comparing to SAR is kind of a broken metric considering pre 5.2 SARs were just ridiculous

[stoic breach]

Its not a broken metric if you compare using an SMG at a range that the SAR is made for

[sage lagoon]

And saying that the game will eventually be balanced doesn’t justify it

[solid hinge]

Most guns would beat an smg at a distance back then if given equal skill of both users

[sage lagoon]

They should have tested it somehow before officially releasing it

[dense bone]

@sage lagoon we are comparing 1 year of live balancing vs 1-2 months though

[sage lagoon]

I know

[solid hinge]

it doesn't help they released it with blatant shit balancing slapped a quick hotfix on it and then went on holiday for 30 days

[dense bone]

PTR would be nice if they have the player count for it

[sonic rampart]

[dense bone]

balance pre 5.2 was a mix of guns being 7/10, 8/10, 9/10 for ranges, 9/10 being their "effective range"

now its something like 5/10, 6/10, and 9/10

[sage lagoon]

Even so at least pre 5.2 was fun

[dense bone]

its not bad, just promotes game knowledge more

you can not like it, idc, but its not objectively worse

[stoic breach]

Yes now you can just pick the best weapon to minmax with

[sage lagoon]

I wouldn’t consider the implementing of bullet sponges an improvement

[stoic breach]

Game knowledge really serving its ultimate purpose

[dense bone]

which i personally like

[scenic beacon]

@solid hinge remember a full year ago when some of us actually tried defending the game? didn't last long

[stoic breach]

But why would you like there to only be one obvious good weapon

[dense bone]

why shouldnt i perform better because i know said weapon is better at X range and i play effectively at X range?

[scenic beacon]

i actually went through my old messages, its fucking hilarious that i had that much hope

[stoic breach]

Weapons arent supposed to be balanced on people "knowing about them"

[dense bone]

in part yes they are...

[sonic rampart]

Well there will always be 1 gun

[feral glade]

if they only utilized Bullet Drop Compensation instead of this deviation shit all would be well and skilled

[sonic rampart]

Better than others

[dense bone]

you dont pick shotguns because you think they are good at range...

[sonic rampart]

In certain situations

[dense bone]

game knowledge is certainly a factor of balancing

youd be dumb to say different

[feral glade]

you should be able to at least hurt a sniper at range with bullit drop comp

[sage lagoon]

A good game will let all ways of playing the game equally viable, even if it’s in different ways (ex: different ranges, play styles, aesthetic, etc)

[stoic breach]

Its not the difference between shotguns and other weapon categories, its the differences between weapons inside their own weapon categories

[dense bone]

within smgs they have guns that range from better close to better long

whats the problem?

you want all smgs to perform basically the same?

[sonic rampart]

Grease gun for example

[dense bone]

and essentially be skins between them?

[stoic breach]

Did I say that

[dense bone]

im asking you

[north ravine]

Hey guys downloading bf5

Whats new

[dense bone]

hence the "?"

[feral glade]

no i want a more skilled aspect instead of synthetic range capabilities

[sonic rampart]

@north ravine when did you leave

[dense bone]

did i say you said that?

no

[north ravine]

leave what?

[dense bone]

gtfo with that shit

[sage lagoon]

Some people may prefer a high fire rate and low damage over high damage and low fire rate even if they dish out the same dps

[sonic rampart]

The game

[sage lagoon]

You get?

[feral glade]

no im just saying

[north ravine]

@sonic rampart

[stoic breach]

Right

[sonic rampart]

Auto correction lmao

[sage lagoon]

You picking up what I’m putting down?

[north ravine]

Been a while since I played bf5 and I miss it tbh

and new guns were added so...

[sonic rampart]

Type 2A Nambu and Grease gun are new

[sage lagoon]

I miss pre 5.2 bfv

That’s just me

[feral glade]

get ready for some disappointment

[sage lagoon]

Bruh I’ve been ready

[sonic rampart]

Its not that bad tho

[tight rain]

I mean

[sage lagoon]

I mean it’s EA what else should I be prepared for?

[sonic rampart]

Just move on

[sage lagoon]

A satisfactory product?

[tight rain]

I have had to try other weapons other than the mg42

So

[stoic breach]

There just shouldnt be obvious picks for the best weapons in a category

Just based on minmax

[dense bone]

there will always be a "best pick"

[sonic rampart]

^

[dense bone]

thats just how games work

[sage lagoon]

Indeed there will

But there should be options that are nearly as viable

[dense bone]

ideally yea

[stoic breach]

Which isnt really how it is now

[coral fiber]

Cough

[dense bone]

i dont think bfv is horribly balanced in that aspect

[north ravine]

@sonic rampart i heard the 2a is the new automatico

[dense bone]

ive used "the worst guns" in the game effectively

at worst they are annoying to use

nothing has been performance detrimental though

[sage lagoon]

The difference between the best weapon and the second best shouldn’t be 5 kills and 25 feet

[north ravine]

what happened to the ttk 5.2

[sonic rampart]

@north ravine Well Yes but actually no. Its like the suomi but a bit worse, but better reload time and satisfying sound

[dense bone]

it is now 5.2.2

[north ravine]

did they fix the weapons

[dense bone]

they balanced it some, but its still in a meh state

[north ravine]

[sage lagoon]

It’s not fun

Anymore

Feels like I’m playing a first person rpg

Like borderlands

[sonic rampart]

A bit overreacting?

[sage lagoon]

Nope

I genuinely didn’t have fun with 5.2

It’s actually the truth

[solid hinge]

fuxck

[feral glade]

well at least we get the crosshairs for SFH.

[sage lagoon]

I was super supportive of the change

[sonic rampart]

Maybe you’re using the guns not as they are intended after 5.2

[north ravine]

Its not fun though @sage lagoon

[sage lagoon]

But when it came out I found that it just wasn’t fun to play

[north ravine]

it wasnt just you

everybody was complaining about 5.2

[dense bone]

i feel the same about the game pre 5.2 and post 5.2

[sage lagoon]

I was using shotguns

[sonic rampart]

[dense bone]

its a decent game

5/10-7/10 objectively

[feral glade]

shooties have way too much range

[sage lagoon]

Shotguns feel like water guns

[sonic rampart]

I still think its a good game

[dense bone]

anyone saying less is just being dramatic

[north ravine]

bf5 gets a 5

[solid hinge]

Honestly I think I have more fun playing as recon than the other classes, even though I didn't use that class alot

[north ravine]

because why not

[sonic rampart]

5 is a bit too low imo

[dense bone]

id give it a 6/10 atm

[north ravine]

i’d give it 5

[sonic rampart]

Unless pc with hackers

[north ravine]

because its bf5

[sonic rampart]

On console there are no hackers

[sage lagoon]

I’d give it a 8/10 pre 5.2 and a 3/10 after

[sonic rampart]

So I would give it like a 7-8

[solid hinge]

7/10 since I enjoy it even with the bad gun variety, vehicle and team balance and bugs

[dense bone]

ehh, even 6/10 is a bit low considering the amount of dev work that goes into this game, especially compared to other games

[sonic rampart]

Honestly

Try to play another game as battlefield

[north ravine]

bf4 is good

[sonic rampart]

And youll just come back

[tight rain]

Other than having to cry myself to sleep because of what they did to the mg42, i havent noticed much of a difference with 5.2

[dense bone]

on a technical aspect, bfv is a marvel, but how much fun you have is obviously subjective

[north ravine]

ye

if you do well you’re obviously gonna have fun

[dense bone]

only games to beat bfv are other bf titles, or shit from rockstar or the witcher 3

[sonic rampart]

For example cod mw ‘the battlefield killer’

It was trash lmao

[dense bone]

(still speaking on a technical aspect)

[sonic rampart]

Made me appreciate bf5 more

[feral glade]

there are hack scripts on console@sonic rampart

[sonic rampart]

What?

[feral glade]

look that shit up and see for yourself

[sonic rampart]

I only know about modded controllers

[north ravine]

@sonic rampart cod mw is trash

im selling it

luckily got it on disk

[dense bone]

i remember some guy hacked my cod mw2 account on ps3 so i would join his clan.. he unlocked everything for me.. that was the last time i played

[ivory acorn]

This one guy literally killed me and 2 other people with a single spray of the Type 2A while missing a majority of his shots.

I think I’m done guys

[sonic rampart]

Thats hacking accounts

But I meant like cheating in a game

[feral glade]

dont let that shit get you down@ivory acorn you gotta grow a thick skin

[ivory acorn]

I give up

[dense bone]

yea that dude was cheating as well

[sonic rampart]

You can do that on console?

[ivory acorn]

Bro my entire battlefield experience has been nothing but bullshit these past few days

[feral glade]

ive been playing bf for almost 18 years and just say meh to the script kiddies

[ivory acorn]

Like I’m hitting people first and still dying. It’s getting to a point where I’m 3 bullets into someone, and then dropping dead

[dense bone]

gitgud

[feral glade]

me as well...but my aims been off lately

[sonic rampart]

Cant relate

[tight rain]

I just simply dont aim

Close my eyes and spray

[feral glade]

im resigned to be a casual player these days and my skills surrfer for that

[sonic rampart]

And pray

[feral glade]

guess you gotta get dedicated to the game

[ivory acorn]

My experience with this game has been shit since the beginning, and I actually enjoyed the pacific update.

[sonic rampart]

When did you start?

[ivory acorn]

When the game came out

[feral glade]

me?...bf42 demo

[ivory acorn]

And I stuck with it because I like world war 2

[dense bone]

long time to play a game you think is shit

why do that to yourself?

[sonic rampart]

^ ye lmao

[ivory acorn]

I like world war 2, and I don’t like cod.

[dense bone]

i like pizza, doesnt mean im gonna eat pizza i dont like...

[ivory acorn]

Plus, I liked the gameplay of Bf5. Yeah the bugs were annoying, but I stuck with the game

[feral glade]

cod game engine sucks commpared the bf games

to the*

[sonic rampart]

Bf4 beats cod mw

[feral glade]

hell,yas it does

bf4 actually is the crown of dices creation

[ivory acorn]

I enjoyed playing Bf5, but my time was slowly being put to other games until the pacific theatre came out.

[sonic rampart]

Bf4 is bf3 2.0 tho

The launch of bf4

[feral glade]

bf3 is angel falls actually

EA bought the game

[sonic rampart]

Bf6 will be bf3 3.0

Wouldnt mind tbh

[dense bone]

wasnt every bf title under EA?

[sonic rampart]

Not all

I think

[feral glade]

yea i'm much better at bf3 than bf4/bf5 maybe its the smaller maps

[dense bone]

at least their first game was EA

i dont see a single name that doesnt have EA as the pub

[sonic rampart]

Guess they were all EA

[dense bone]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Battlefield_video_games

at least according to this list

[feral glade]

EA bought bf42 from valve and dice just reskinned it

[half jolt]

Is Anyone on battlefield hardline or have it still installed willing to help me get Menz in the hood trophy I’m freakin desperate at this point everyone Ik has gotten help but no one wants to help me

[sonic rampart]

!!lfg

[ruby trail]

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Head over to the Looking For Games channel category.
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[ivory acorn]

But yeah

[feral glade]

EA bought angle falls from nova logic and reskinned that as well

[dense bone]

i cant find anything saying 1942 was bought by EA from valve

source?

[ivory acorn]

This is just too much

[sonic rampart]

Godfather game was an EA game aswell

[half jolt]

Also whoever said cod server sucks is a moron atleast in cod we don’t have to wait 2 seconds for a rpg to hit its target or have it constantly miss its target

[ivory acorn]

I wouldn’t even care about the TTK if the other problems were solved, but it really seems like they aren’t gonna fix this game

[sonic rampart]

I want more mafia games please

[feral glade]

i was common knolage back in the day..ive been looking for the souce info as well and cant locate itanymore

[dense bone]

only thing i saw was someone say cod engine sucks...

thats different from servers

[feral glade]

look for EA acquirements youll se they have a large stake in nova logic

[dense bone]

mustve been a dream

[feral glade]

that sorta put Nova Logic out of bussiness...actually the delta force franchize is up for sale

valve was on the ropes trying to code halflife 2 .

they got a huge cash influx fron EA and build steam with it...signed an agreement not to make compeat with dice

this is why it took years for tf2 to come out as well as making it a cartoonie game

ttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_acquisitions_by_Electronic_Arts

check the bottom

thay basically bought them and shut um down...they've been doing this shit for years..this is why there's nota lot of competion in battlefield type games anymore

[dense bone]

that last sentence sounds like some tin foil hat shit

[feral glade]

you gotta dig deeper like I did a few years ago

[dense bone]

especially since people blame EA for studios closing when their games were obviously on the way out and were probably going to shut down anyway

but lets take face value "ea bought studio, studio shut down, must be EA fault"

[ivory acorn]

Finally completely the last stupid challenge

[feral glade]

but the delta force games were good..especially Joint Ops...and what actually do you think happened to angel falls?

[dense bone]

i honestly dont know about those topics in particular

and im not saying EA couldnt/didnt do anything as described above

but people are quick to play the blame game at face value

[feral glade]

right and true...but I actually spent a few hours reserching that a few years ago for my clan

i mean im not bashing EA anymore theve improved but still...they have killed alot of competion

[hot drum]

Usinvthe grease gun atm

Ita best used f8r flankin

[dense bone]

what the fuck is that sentence

[solid hinge]

Can someone explain me why i can use the bf1 syringe in bfv

And why it is actually in the game

[dense bone]

isnt that a bug?

[solid hinge]

No idea

[dense bone]

pretty sure thats a bug

[solid hinge]

I am stuck w that thing

I am insta reviving ppl

And i even killed a guy

[dense bone]

lol thats what i would try to do

[hot drum]

Grese gun is best used for flankin

You get beaten by everythin

[dense bone]

ahhh

[hot drum]

Or that i dont know how to use it yer

XD

[solid hinge]

Bro i just saw someon with the grease gun lvl 10 and gold plated. Thats what i call a no lifer and a nerd

Lmao the syringe is op

U can revive 20 guys in 10 secs

How did you do it?

It's a bug

Useful one though

Oh

Instarevives and kills enemies

well, I would like to know how he did it but considering how op it is it could get me or him in trouble since it is supposed to be in bf1 instead

Something about grenading at the same time as reviving

[proven hatch]

yes battle field 5 let me look at the solider holding the grease gun for 30 minutes

so is BF5 Like dead or something cause i been going into lobbies with not enough people to start a game

[solid hinge]

@proven hatchdo you use adv search?

[dense bone]

use server browser

for some reason matchmaking puts you into empty lobbies often

[proven hatch]

sometimes i use adv search

[solid hinge]

Use it Everytime then, since you can be guaranteed to find full lobbies there more often than not using the browser @proven hatch

[dense bone]

ill get an empty server

and then look in adv and can find at least 5 servers almost full with good ping

[proven hatch]

i got a 4 and a 5 kill using that british plane with the 4K pound bomb

[feral grotto]

Can I get more Asians with 150+ping in my server please?

[icy sluice]

First experience with the M3 Grease Gun
Me gunning down someone with the MP28 while he had one and after that I chased down his weapon as it slid down the chasm.

[gloomy kraken]

Its a sign from the god

[icy sluice]

My first experience with it was on Fjell, so it wasn't the best one

Also, snowstorm was a thing

[solid hinge]

Now that the type 2a is purchasable with cc, should I get it? Or should I stay with the jungle Carbine/type 100/suomi?

[gloomy kraken]

What would be the battlefield god called? Because Space Engineers god is called Clang

[icy sluice]

If you're into High Rate of Fire weapons, Type 2A is right up your alley.

Type 100 is also good for the rate of fire but also is better at range than the Type 2A

[gloomy kraken]

So far i have had two experiences with the Grease gun, a good one and one Where i manage to aim on the enemy between the slow fire rate.

[icy sluice]

Trying to get the game report of my Conquest Match of the MP28 but battlefieldtracker ain't having it

[solid hinge]

@icy sluice I heard some ppl saying that the suomi was better in some ways than the type 2A? Is it true? Also what about the jungle Carbine?

[icy sluice]

Jungle Carbine of course outclasses all of the SMGs in range

Closer Ranges it will have difficulties tho

[solid hinge]

I honestly want to get the type2a but idk since it is overused, might change with the m3 grease though since it came out

[gloomy kraken]

I want a second medic gun with a bayonet, because assault has two guns with it, support Also two, recons all Bolts have one but medic only has one gun and Its the MP34

[icy sluice]

I have no real personal experience with the M3 as of now

MP28 on Fjell with the Snowstorm is just sublime 👌

[gloomy kraken]

I played the storm Fjell once, it was full of blind bombers.

[proven hatch]

i flew a plane straight into a cliff cause of the sand storm

[icy sluice]

I had a really cool shot of a teammate almost beheading me with his JU-88A while being chased by a Mosquito

[earnest wharf]

Are they in permanent bad weather?