I really wanna go home and try some outpost
#battlefield-legacy-titles
flint shuttle
idle breach
I prefer the old outpost
new outpost is good, outpost is my favorite mode
aside conquest
flint shuttle
can't remember playing outpost, can't even remember the game type names from back in the day when I played BF3
Just got back to BF with BFV last weekend
soft storm
The fact that there are no tanks for half the match and no planes for 3/4 of it is boring
idle breach
yeah the vehicles should come a bit earlier
the spm rate is ridiculous you'll get a reinforcement tank in minutes
dusty crystal
when do tanks spawn in outpost?
strong parrot
When you get 20k squad points and call one in
prime pine
50% of the ticket threshold
flint shuttle
Is there any 'plane conquest' mode in BFV like there was in BF1943? I miss that gamemode
dusty crystal
no, i mean in base @strong parrot
solid carbon
you have to wait 2 weeks
south hornet
that's bullshit
solid carbon
solar ridge
Patience is the answer for everything
soft storm
Braddock doesn’t even know
He said yesterday it should be able to be bought either today or in a week
brave garnet
What would
idle breach
if braddock suddenly burst into pure rage and beat the shit out of devs I would not be surprised at all
brave garnet
@idle breach wait what happened?
prime pine
And risk losing his job?
idle breach
hmm
every countries and companies should give community manager / customer service empolyees a
a pass for uh.. challenge other employess in unlethal DUEL
strong parrot
Devs that don't want to listen and CMs that would rather be snarky 
soft storm
The devs think you’ll like this product better
Never heard of this level of arrogance honestly
idle breach
"you don't know a thing about sword, fuck off from my shop"
prime pine
This the only game i can play so i have to deal with this shit every day
novel blaze
developers that dont listen to the community. community that whines about everything
soft storm
I hope the wait between chapter 5’s end and 6’s beginning is long
idle breach
yeah
brave garnet
There was that time in BFV where the devs would put game modes in that no body asked for
prime pine
It was better like that cause you could avoid them
solid carbon
Guys, submarines are confirmed
prime pine
This time you cant
brave garnet
Well yeah
soft storm
OH BOY SUBMARINES
brave garnet
And they removed like 2 core game modes
soft storm
on rail experience
solid carbon
Theres a submarine on the official chapter 6 concept art
prime pine
Usually its 15
Then its gonna all die
And dice will be like "Oh you can play overseas"
idle breach
hope the submarine also comes with 6 lvl unlocking
prime pine
Lmao i would rather smash my head against a wall than deal with this shit
brave garnet
What
strong parrot
There are weapons in official trailers that haven't come out yet so don't hold your breath
brave garnet
The
brave garnet
Subs, torpedoes and hopefully depth charges
idle breach
12x 20mm incendiary rounds submarine
solid carbon
nuclear torpedos
soft storm
I don’t want submarines honestly
solid carbon
Same
soft storm
It made sense in WW1 more
prime pine
LAV's will have more use
idle breach
yeah submarines suck
rose flicker
Where’s my bazooka
solid carbon
Submarine races are intense
soft storm
If they waste resources on making submarines what are they even gonna be used on? Like 4 pacific maps?
idle breach
bazooka?
soft storm
Only 2 have enough water for it
prime pine
Then again law
solid carbon
You can already use the chauchat
prime pine
Whats the point of the chi ha if it has less maps it can be used on
idle breach
just make another specialzation for tanks
soft storm
There needed to be tanks but I don’t see why we need submarines
idle breach
can go underwater
soft storm
If they make one universal submarine maybe?
prime pine
Dunno how you would balance subs
idle breach
vehicle balance is already fucked up just add more specs
solid carbon
No ships, no submarines
soft storm
Germans don’t have much more they could do without adding another to the British
soft storm
Uboat
brave garnet
@idle breachuntersee*
idle breach
Untersee Boot is U-BOOT?
brave garnet
You put ubersee
solid carbon
Unterseeboot = Submarine
solid carbon
Deutsche Kriegsmarine
brave garnet
Unter is below or under and see is ocean or sea
solid carbon
Schiff
dapper bridge
good morning y'all
idle breach
good evening
brave garnet
Howdy
soft storm
If they add subs I’ll be disappointed
solid carbon
Enough players
soft storm
It’s only 9:30
idle breach
it's 11:30 PM in here
solid hinge
I just got it yesterday and there's nobody on servers
brave garnet
Its 8:30 for me
idle breach
why are you all from different timeline
solid carbon
3:30pm
brave garnet
I use CST because I live in Texas
solid carbon
I can only play bfv until 3am, after that all servers just dissappear
idle breach
greenwich time
idle breach
no GMT+9 and GMT+9 is da best
novel blaze
no
idle breach
the chinese government shoved the entire nation into one timezone
soft storm
Nice
bronze rose
Dawg, I just bought Battlefield 3
brave garnet
👍
idle breach
good
solid carbon
I can only play battlefield games from 3pm to 3am
brave garnet
12 hrs
solid carbon
Quick maths
idle breach
you have the iq of kanye west
solid carbon
I‘m not a gay fish
idle breach
says the husband of hobbit
solid carbon
idle breach
got ya
soft storm
slender cape
honest sapphire
Idk
solid carbon
turn off motion blur
solid carbon
This video gave me the big sad
main grove
M2 carbine
solid carbon
Panzerschreck
main grove
Knee mortar
solid carbon
No mortars pls
solid carbon
Did you played bf1? Mortar spam of doom
main grove
Because they had a special map mortar screen
solid carbon
Smoll artillery
main grove
The knee mortar in this doesn’t look like it has a map guided shot
It just looks like a heavy drop frag grenade rifle
novel blaze
chapter 6 just got revealed
main grove
Knee mortar was a Japanese mortar that was...well fired from the knee
brave garnet
Huh
novel blaze
chapter 6 is the eastern front
brave garnet
Oooh
main grove
Nice bait
novel blaze
want the source?
brave garnet
I wanna see a 2nd Panzerstorm set in Kursk
main grove
Send it and if it looks dodgy I ain’t clicking
novel blaze
source is no
main grove
Inb4 a Rickroll
I’d honestly be surprised if they manage to get another faction out by chapter 10
Chapter 2,3 and 4 were jokes
2 introduced ‘co-op’
3 introduced ‘battle royale’
4 was gonna have 5v5 but it got scrapped
And at this point they might as well have scrapped co op and firestorm
solid carbon
firestorm is dead, who the hell plays co-op, 5v5 was a bad idea anyway
main grove
5v5 has loads of gadgets made for it now stuck in Hell forever
solid carbon
don´t forget the practice range 
sonic rampart
Theyll get a new faction out in chapter 7
main grove
FFS I wanted to be able to shoot AI dummies in the practise range
Like BF1’s incursions practise range
brave garnet
@main grovethat's combined arms
solid carbon
Trying out weapons in combined arms is good enough
main grove
They’re not multiplayer enemies tho
They’re 5x tankier
I just wanted a stationary target with MP health
brave garnet
They walk through walls and doors lol
main grove
Also occupied enemy vehicles that were stationary to test AT damage
They have AI planes that fly about
But you can’t test out specs on any vehicle or gun in the game
🥴
I want to do DICE’s fucking testing for them but they won’t even let me
Knowing them though if you could get kills in practise range it’d probably somehow end up counting towards your stats
brave garnet
I wonder what happened to CTE?
solid carbon
i wonder what happened to auto-team balance
main grove
Because of the frequency of the updates
Reaping all the rewards of no paid DLC here lads
stoic breach
Yeah practice range is missing all the shit that actually lets you practice
Instead you get these dumb rotation exercises instead of being able to test damage models
And look at detailed stats about weapons and shit
And test vehicle and weapon specs
soft storm
Dice lost the knowledge of that years ago
rocky verge
soft storm
They can implement specs for weapons on coop
But it’s not possible in weapon range
Good luck getting that with vehicles for them
stoic breach
Lol yeah
Imagine not being able to actually practice in the practice range
I dont care about it looking like a real range
prime pine
Imagine the game being functional
solid carbon
solid carbon
coc qasmoke
mossy jay
functwhat?
stoic breach
So it didnt take 30 years to load into a useless area
raw orbit
mossy jay
i kinda like the test range tho
soft storm
Meanwhile, the SWBF2 team just hired the guy who developed the frosty tool suite
Isn’t that funny
stoic breach
Thats hilarious
soft storm
Wouldn’t it be sad as fuck if it turns out he’s been assigned to work on BFV
Poor GMan
stoic breach
He couldnt escape the pain
soft storm
If dice assigns the man who pretty much singlehandedly created the SWBF2 modding scene to literally anything besides SWBF
I’ll laugh my ass off
boreal sorrel
Hey guys
scenic beacon
Hey!
orchid shore
boreal sorrel
Bruh
prime pine
Lmao
When recoil is so fucking low you barely notice a difference with recoil reducing specs
unborn blaze
Are we still shitting on the new TTK update
frank oasis
Bfv reddit yes
solid carbon
,,new´´
unborn blaze
It's new to me, I rarely play the game
solid hinge
Why not
frank oasis
Its only been a month since it was implemented
solid hinge
But now we can shit about the type 2a
solid hinge
Marita
unborn blaze
Underground isn't terrible
Fun to use the bayonet charge
Nobody ever expects that anymore
solid carbon
Underground? More like operation smoke
solid hinge
Operation underground is basically a kd farm if u what u are doing
50% of the ppl are brain dead usually
solid carbon
Underground breakthrough is kd farm
unborn blaze
I tend to be one of the brain dead types, sometimes
solid hinge
Yesterday i build a mg while attacking and i got 35 kills in row w that
unborn blaze
Blindly bayonet charging the enemy team is fun
prime pine
I kd farm in vehicles
solid carbon
Everytime i see top play videos i think all console players are blind and brainless
solid hinge
I have no idea how is that even possible
unborn blaze
I wish I could play BFV on PC
solid hinge
@prime pine where did u get that melee?
hoary creek
@unborn blaze i am pretty sure u will not love it
unborn blaze
Ugh, a Hollow Knight picture
hoary creek
The amount of hackers
unborn blaze
o hey Celtic
unborn blaze
I'm talking about that guy's Twitter
hoary creek
Btw
prime pine
Burned collection
hoary creek
Lol
prime pine
@solid hinge
hoary creek
XD
prime pine
Whats so bad about hollow knight
hoary creek
If u need money.....only u can tell
prime pine
The knight is a more of an "It"
hoary creek
Errr
prime pine
Originally built as a container for the infection until a more suitable canidate. The hollow knight itself became available
It never really had a story in mind asides from the one you play part of
unborn blaze
I don't care about the story so much as that there were areas I was clearly supposed to get to
And there was no way to get there
prime pine
Its a sad gloomy game but at the same time i found it all just amazing.
Its the metroid sorta progression
unborn blaze
So I got frustrated and stopped playing
prime pine
Where you need to collect pieces to continue
unborn blaze
I understand why people like it
Which is why I didn't refund the game
That, and the fact everything is hand-drawn
prime pine
Its a simple nice game
unborn blaze
I found the gameplay poopy, but the behind the scenes stuff is amazing
prime pine
Until you fight the bosses hurray
prime pine
I beat all the bosses
unborn blaze
And got to the green area
prime pine
Greenpath
unborn blaze
Yeah
unborn blaze
True
solid hinge
Is this bug common or what?
unborn blaze
Yeah, the new TTK update sux tho
Why didn't they just revert it, like the first time
dense bone
man console bfv looks kinda bad
dense bone
@unborn blaze because first ttk change was actually a ttk change and a simple 1btk increase across the board
5.2 isnt even a "ttk" change
unborn blaze
Never forget #NotMyTTK
dense bone
thankfully a lot of degenerates got banned
unborn blaze
?
dense bone
you can hate ttk, but you get those obvious shit heads that just cant be reasonable and they end up banned
"reeeeeee notmyttk dice are fucking morons"
"ehh its not that bad really"
"oh wow look at this dice fanboy he wants to sleep with EA"
these dice controversies really weed out the meme kids and people actually here wanting to discuss the game
novel blaze
subreddit
dense bone
if you want to lose braincells
novel blaze
just search reddit battlefield
dense bone
its funny the amont of people that talk shit like they can do better and then work as a grocery bagger and only theory craft in hindsight after bad balances
solid carbon
novel blaze
ive seen 50 year old complaining
solid carbon
old people are always complaining about everything -D
dense bone
then what?
unborn blaze
The meta rn is the Type 2A
dense bone
because id be willing to bet that a vast majority of bf players dont even care
its a casual game
scenic beacon
i don't mind it too much tbh, some guns that were never used before are just now seeing the light of day in matches for once
brave garnet
😷
unborn blaze
I don't see that at all
scenic beacon
i like the variety in choices i see now
dense bone
all of reddits 2k upvotes for hate posts are only 2k upvotes... thats a tiny amount of the community
solid carbon
subreddit*
warm atlas
NGL, the type 2A has a very satisfying tap tap
rose flicker
I mean you have to admit the ttk for all old weapons is a tiny bit cursed
unborn blaze
Like, I use that
dense bone
also, if all you see is the type 2a go something thats good at range, play at that range effectively, and youll win
rose flicker
The newer ones are good tho
unborn blaze
SL1907 thingie
dense bone
selb 1906 SLR
unborn blaze
No
dense bone
?
unborn blaze
The auto rifle
rose flicker
Run a sniper rifle as a infantry rifle
dense bone
isnt that m1907?
unborn blaze
Idk
rose flicker
Oof
unborn blaze
It's the one that was the meta for a while in BF1
brave garnet
M1907 is like an assault rifle now
scenic beacon
1907sf is the fast af rifle with a bayonet on assault
dense bone
m1907 is solid
scenic beacon
yeah
dense bone
just why pick that when you can go type2a with inf heals
unborn blaze
It doesn't feel half as effective as it did before
novel blaze
type 2a is annoying
scenic beacon
@dense bone bayonet and single fire
unborn blaze
Does the Type 2A have a bayonet
dense bone
🤮
brave garnet
I don't like its RoF, I always use it with semi auto
dense bone
no thank god
solid carbon
there is only one smg with bayonet
scenic beacon
dear god, if it did, we'd all be fucked
pulsar valve
What do people think of the TTK these days
unborn blaze
Then you know why I'm not using the Type 2A
novel blaze
you can still kill people with thr acwr tar famas anf aek in battlefield 4
scenic beacon
@solid carbon mp34
unborn blaze
I personally hate it
rose flicker
It’s cursed
pulsar valve
Excluding reddit for now
solid carbon
the mp34 is great
scenic beacon
hell yeah
novel blaze
i dont mind it
prime pine
I personally dont think its good
rose flicker
The ttk rn is a little cursed
solid carbon
devistation + smoke + mp34 = tons of melee kills
brave garnet
Its slightly better than 5.2 when it was put in
dense bone
@pulsar valve needs balancing, but i like the overall changes to make gun choice a more important decision
unborn blaze
It feels like some of the weapons don't perform half as well as they used to
rose flicker
Not really
dense bone
at what range though?
unborn blaze
Like
prime pine
The meta needed a change but it didnt need this. Im fine with small tweaks over the time but not a blanket change for everything at once.
dense bone
you use fg42 at range no shit youre gona suck
rose flicker
It’s now just about what’s the meta
dense bone
its always been about whats meta...
unborn blaze
Did the Boys AT rifle always take 2 hits to kill
prime pine
The fg42 barely has recoil now
solid carbon
no
novel blaze
did they change the noise of thr flying hombs
rose flicker
Not as much in previous games
dense bone
SARs were easily meta for the longest time
brave garnet
@unborn blazeover 100m yes
scenic beacon
@unborn blaze takes 2 past 100m, or if you hit arms or legs
novel blaze
cause v1 jb2 and ki sound different now
solid carbon
the v1 sound is very unique
unborn blaze
Because I hit someone in the chest with a hipfire from point blank
prime pine
You could easily extend the fg42's range another 20M if you bothered to control its recoil.
prime pine
Now thats its zero recoil but shitty range whats the point
scenic beacon
must've been their shoulder or some shit lol
brave garnet
When that happens I melee them
unborn blaze
I saw the hit on his chest
prime pine
Semis i dont even mind
unborn blaze
It's when I started to really realise that something is up
prime pine
An rpm decrease yes but not a ranged damage decrease
prime pine
Did you hip fire
prime pine
They're always a OHKO within 100m in the chest and head
prime pine
Funny enough if it was pre 5.2 the type 2 a would have had actual recoil and one less bullet at a range to kill
unborn blaze
I finally got my FG42
prime pine
Haha
solid carbon
wow
rose flicker
Now it’s not the type 100, now it’s the Type 2a
prime pine
Now the BAR outclasses it
unborn blaze
The FG?
prime pine
Yes
rose flicker
There’s a new meta in these parts partner
unborn blaze
I reached rank 16 for support in July
Or like June
But I didn't get it until the other day
dense bone
fg42 was super good before
prime pine
The only advantage the fg42 has over the bar is an 0.20 millisecond faster reload
dense bone
now its only good cqc
prime pine
Yep
solid carbon
yee
prime pine
Just use bar
dense bone
what glitch?
unborn blaze
Well
solid carbon
not getting weapons after unlock
scenic beacon
just git gud
dense bone
i thought that one was new
unborn blaze
A few months ago, about 7, I reached Support rank 16, and was really excited for the FG42
unborn blaze
And then the gun didn't fucking unlock
dense bone
hmm, i only heard about it post 5.2
prime pine
You could extend the range of weapons if you knew how control the thing. But now what has been learned is for nothing.
unborn blaze
Without it unlocking
prime pine
Also good morning Ayla! I presume its morning
dense bone
its not like learning control was hard...
prime pine
You were still rewarded in the end
unborn blaze
It's one of the reasons I stopped playing
solid hinge
Mooore or less
dense bone
sure but you make it like you spent months mastering weapons
it takes a few hours at most
prime pine
I wouldnt say i mastered it but i was practically an expert for the fg42. It felt good controlling its recoil.
unborn blaze
I ended up throwing in the towel for a few months, and committing to War Thunder
dense bone
pull down, much skill, such hard
unborn blaze
I'd honestly trade my FG42 unlock for a revert
dense bone
ehh with nerf darks headshot multipliers are more important
thats how i did the best in a match with m1a1 on hamada
solid hinge
I'll have you know I put 200 hours in and could barely use close range weapons beyond spitting distance
prime pine
What headshot multiplier. They barely even matter.
scenic beacon
who cares about its bullets, it's got a bayonet!
prime pine
I used the bayonet for some time
solid hinge
prime pine
I went for stock
prime pine
Thats the concept for it. Guaranteed kills on a single target
brave garnet
No
unborn blaze
I tend to only use weapons with bayonets
solid hinge
Bayonet wasn't a guaranteed kill for a long time
brave garnet
I use weapons that were mounted on tanks
unborn blaze
Like the Ross, m1907, Lee Enfield, stuff like that
solid carbon
who would win, one bayonet or 6 bullets in the chest
unborn blaze
Huh
brave garnet
MMG's and LMG's I use moslty
unborn blaze
The Bren is also cool
prime pine
Bren which felt amazing at a range practically feels like shit
solid hinge
I tried the bren
solid carbon
madsen > bren
unborn blaze
The Bren was used as a long-range weapon sometimes during the war
solid hinge
it barely feels more accurate and has the horrible damage falloff
brave garnet
I like the Madsen from BF1
solid hinge
The scope grew on me!
solid carbon
the madsen was always good
prime pine
Literally there was a clear yet niche differential with the madsen and the bren
fallow root
Is it the upgrade to 6950X good idea if running on 5960X ?
prime pine
It was chonkier damage up close or more consistent damage At a range
solid hinge
I loved the madsen bf 4 ttk change
rose flicker
The Madasen is the dollar store version of the Bren that somehow is better quality
unborn blaze
The Bren and Madsen are two very different guns
prime pine
Yyyaaayyyy ayla : D
solid hinge
Now i dont know why but i cant use it
solid carbon
the madsen 3x scope is better than bren 3x
prime pine
Other way around
unborn blaze
Why would you use the 3x scope
unborn blaze
Iron sights or bust
prime pine
To extend the range with clarity
strong parrot
Imagine making your scope hard to use
solid hinge
Madesen w ex mag is huge
solid carbon
3x scope on lewis,bren,madsen is amazing
unborn blaze
I don't use scopes on many weapons
fallow root
idk magnification amplify recoil
prime pine
Buuuuut they're not even good at their roles so what the fuck
solid carbon
bruh the lewis gun has 97 bullets , no overheat
unborn blaze
I don't like how they limit visibility
strong parrot
Balanced lmg
prime pine
Bren fast reload and better predictable recoil
Honestly i actually miss being sniped half way across the map from an mmg
solid hinge
The bar is a madsen and a tommy gun at the same time
brave garnet
Has a grip and a bipod
solid hinge
Irons limits my visibility by putting a big ugly gun right under my eyeball
unborn blaze
The Bar is pretty bad
prime pine
I miss all these bullshit deaths because they actually kept me thinking
solid hinge
The bar is amazing
prime pine
The bars fucking sights are god awful
solid carbon
yee
prime pine
AA sights or bust
solid hinge
aa sights on the bar baby
unborn blaze
I would rather just use the Bren
strong parrot
Play on a bigger TV then
prime pine
But even the bar doesnt feel good
novel blaze
is there a way to find out how many people people play the game per month
prime pine
And ive been maining it
dense bone
no
strong parrot
Not using irons on the bar...gtfo
solid carbon
3x on bar
dense bone
?
solid hinge
The bar long range mode has a faster ttk than the madsen
dense bone
that thing is med range at best, why 3x?
unborn blaze
You better be using the iron sights on the Lee Enfield
prime pine
I wanted to play with my fg42 again because i miss its irons but there's no actual reason to use it.
dense bone
its still good close
prime pine
Tell me. Why would i use it over the bar
dense bone
just because something else is better doesnt mean theres no reason to use the other
7/10 gun isnt obsolete because theres an 8/10 gun
solid hinge
The bar litterally outclasses it
fallow root
Is the "Splurge" upgrade from 5960X to 6950X good idea?
white lotus
When we go back to Europe or the Eastern Front will we finally get the Panzershreck?
wintry patrol
Yo is it worth getting bf4 on pc these days?
prime pine
Yeah but you're going to suffer even more. It has nothing worth over the bar.
modern sedge
dense bone
no, theres no reason to pick it over the bar, but that wasnt your first statement
rose flicker
Using irons on the Gewhr 95/30 👌 ez snipes
fallow root
just use defaults weapons
dense bone
it seems im the only person to use guns just for the experience/challenge
prime pine
(ignore the bren part) look at these stats. Almost identical as a whole.
dense bone
this lobby seems to think you can only use the best in a given category
solid hinge
it's more that there used to be actual differences between the guns even if small
midnight nimbus
why do you want to handicap yourself with a worse gun when you know there's a better option?
solid hinge
now they really are just relegated to categories
prime pine
I would use the fg42 and call it the best lmg but the bren had the other piece that i needed and i would switch to that.
Also hey kht : )
dense bone
because this is a casual game and getting the best results isnt my goal in the game
dense bone
@midnight nimbus not everyone cares solely about the end result
solid hinge
@dense bonei think dice developers thought the same thing u are saying when they said ttk change was meant to give ppl more guns to use
unborn blaze
@midnight nimbus there's plenty of reasons
midnight nimbus
I don't get the fun behind using intentionally worse weapons I guess 🙃
unborn blaze
It's like why I use the Mosquito in War Thunder, despite there being better options
dense bone
some people actually like challenge, not the easiest way to cheese results @midnight nimbus
prime pine
Mosquito i love mosquito
unborn blaze
I use the Mosquito because my great grandpa flew one
midnight nimbus
at least worse guns in other games have meme niches
dense bone
especially in a game where results mean jack shit
midnight nimbus
like the MP18 experimental in BF1 wasn't a best option
but it had its fun niche uses
scenic beacon
just find a gun you like, and stick with it. i was using the mg34 for a LONG time before i switched
unborn blaze
^
midnight nimbus
what is the actual point of using the 5.2.2 LS/26???
dense bone
@solid hinge last i read dice wanted to just create designated ranges
prime pine
Every gun had a use. Now that part has been butchered.
rose flicker
I like using bolt actions as infantry rifles, I may be at a disadvantage but it’s still fun to get that one beautiful shot
unborn blaze
It doesn't matter if it's the BEST gun
prime pine
Why should i use the ls26 over the ke7
brave garnet
@scenic beaconsame with the MG42, now I just use the M1919A6
solid hinge
tfw the LS was the only 600rpm 4btk in 5.2 and then they gutted it
no mercy for lmgs
rose flicker
F
prime pine
It was underused but i thought it was a pretty good overall gun
pulsar valve
Do you guys think people use a bigger variety of guns since the change or just shifted the guns
scenic beacon
@brave garnet i stuck with the 42 after a while of levelling up other classes
unborn blaze
LS? Isn't that the MMG
scenic beacon
@unborn blaze LS is an lmg
dense bone
@pulsar valve outside of the recent type 2a, i would say the spread would be identical
prime pine
44
solid hinge
ive seen notably less variety in guns
prime pine
I dont see semis as much anymore
solid hinge
havent seen a mmg or semi
prime pine
If its support its just lewis gun or mmg's
solid hinge
since I've been playing again
dense bone
when semis were used 60% of the time...
solid hinge
Semis only for scout classes
prime pine
Self loaders are recon
solid hinge
Semis for assault basically 0
prime pine
Technically semi but yeah
unborn blaze
@pulsar valve I think it made the list of commonly used guns shorter. I've been seeing mostly Type 2As.
solid hinge
ive seen a few ZH and bolts, no other guns for recon
prime pine
I havent even seen the rsc at all
dense bone
we basically went to a majority of weapon being picked pre 5.2 being a sort of semi auto now to 1-2 guns per class being picked
solid hinge
@prime pine selb is a semi all the others self
scenic beacon
i've seen a fair few semis, but that's it
rose flicker
Yeet
prime pine
Yeah i know which is wihc
unborn blaze
The Turner Lee Enfield is rarely used
prime pine
Ill make a tally of what gun i get killed by
midnight nimbus
semis actually weren't overpicked before 5.2
prime pine
Turner was actually good
midnight nimbus
actually underpicked for how good they were
solid hinge
There is litterally a class for 1 gun
scenic beacon
turner was one of the better ones
brave garnet
I've only been killed once by an RSC
unborn blaze
I never saw the Turner used
prime pine
"Oh my god i got killed by a semi everyone fucking uses them!"
strong parrot
Lol there's seemingly less guns used now
unborn blaze
I used it
brave garnet
That too @unborn blaze
prime pine
You mean the no.4?
scenic beacon
now semis at LAUNCH were disgusting, along with the ke7
prime pine
You confusing me sorry
prime pine
The turner smle is one of the best semis rn
scenic beacon
bigmag m1a1 was damn scary at launch
unborn blaze
The Turner SMLE is incredibly rare
prime pine
Yeah cause despite that, they all feel like shit
solid hinge
Breda is non existing rn
unborn blaze
I've seen it used maybe once or twice by people who aren't me
solid hinge
People still used the stg44 the majority of the time prepatch
scenic beacon
@unborn blaze turner was all that was used after the m1a1 was nerfed for a while
brave garnet
Now I barely see anyone running M1A1 carbine
solid hinge
now it's just even better
unborn blaze
I never saw that
prime pine
You may as well pour boiling water over your belly rather than use the garand
unborn blaze
The Garand is eh
solid hinge
5btk 8 mag gun
scenic beacon
m1a1 used to be a fucking powerhouse with a 31 mag
midnight nimbus
it was ok
prime pine
I do agree with the change where recoil multiplies after each shot
strong parrot
ItS nOt 5 bTK yOUre WroNg
brave garnet
M1 Garand was terrifying when it was put in
solid hinge
m1a1 has the same damage as the trench carbine up to 20 metres
B4 the hotfix there were a lot of ag42
prime pine
The garand was just a semi with the turner smle damage model
unborn blaze
Can we just take a second to point out that there's a game that lets a Garand fire 23 rounds before reloading?
strong parrot
Similar rounds right..makes sense
rose flicker
the AT rifles were scary at first
prime pine
Or a g43 damage model
dense bone
doesnt m1a1 have a faster rof than trench though
rose flicker
Technically yes
prime pine
Being honest
prime pine
I would revert trench carbines rpm to 360 but keep the p08 to 360
solid hinge
A pistol?
prime pine
Ergh
prime pine
Keep p08 to 450
midnight nimbus
actual meme
unborn blaze
@solid hinge it's a gun used by civilians in like 1945
Because the Germans got really desperate
solid hinge
@unborn blaze i mean ig
strong parrot
Oh those fire faster now? Damn I have to finish this stupid revive assignment so I can play scout then
brave coral
@midnight nimbus I believe it’s essentially bc 450 is the cap of inputs
prime pine
I found semis annoying but throughout the year i found that they were sorta becoming more niche but still scary ass weapons
solid hinge
It has 300 rpm and has no dmg
dense bone
semis 5.2 were ridiclous..
prime pine
Whats the damage model on m1a1?
midnight nimbus
450 isn't the cap of inputs
dense bone
how were semis niche?
unborn blaze
The Volksturmgewehr or whatever is just a gun made so that untrained civilians could fight
solid hinge
Something like 26-16
brave coral
The game doesn’t accept click inputs higher than 450 clicks per minute because if you’re gettingtjat you’re most likely using a macro
midnight nimbus
it's bc the frostbite audio engine can't make semis not sound like shit above 450 RPM
prime pine
They were becoming more and more specific as heavy semis had their recoil increased.
solid hinge
i can't click faster than 450 okay I can barely comfortably reach 350
midnight nimbus
the game accepts click inputs above 450 CPM
how do you think people used the BF3 AN-94
solid hinge
please have mercy on my finger
midnight nimbus
or BFH G17
prime pine
Turner and shit didnt work too well due to that due to the increased recoil mutliploer
agile gate
what game yall talking about
prime pine
Multi fuck
midnight nimbus
or any of the ESL guys who played BF4
dense bone
pull down more
dense bone
maybe its different on console
prime pine
So things are different
strong parrot
Just mod your controller to shoot faster
agile gate
why
prime pine
Actual i should do that because fuck it all
unborn blaze
But yeah, the new TTK is pain for me
dense bone
higher vrec on pc means shit
midnight nimbus
450 is only bc of an audio limit and bc most people can't click that fast anyways
brave coral
So as I said
prime pine
If i go to 450 i sorta have to sacrifice all other inputs
brave coral
They cap the input rate
midnight nimbus
yeah, no reason to cap it any higher
brave coral
Maybe not for the reason I thought but that was a guess lol
midnight nimbus
but the biggest reason is just audio
brave coral
7.5 clicks per second is pretty quick as well
rose flicker
Tru
midnight nimbus
but BF1 showed that most people couldn't / wouldn't shoot the semis very fast
solid hinge
Semis had slow rpm on bf1
brave coral
Yeah it’s probably more attainable on PC
prime pine
The spread increase for the kind of weapon they were forced you to slow down
midnight nimbus
well no
brave coral
I doubt I could get even 6 cps on PS4
midnight nimbus
BF1 semis shot at similar RoFs as BFV
solid hinge
literally hurts my finge
brave coral
My fingies
midnight nimbus
and spread increase wasn't a problem if you used the guns right
prime pine
Yeah
brave garnet
I can do 7 cps on xbox
prime pine
You get into the beat of them
brave garnet
But hurts my trigger finger
midnight nimbus
most people in BF1 shot so slow that spread increase wasn't even a thing on semis
so might as well remove spread increase
brave coral
Or less so than other SARs at least
solid hinge
I think i can get 10 w a controller
most people in bfv hated bolts so may as well remove them
dense bone
im at 7.5 cps
solid hinge
midnight nimbus
so yeah, 5.0 semis were extremely good
solid hinge
The reduced recoil on the ZH is making it way easier to use for me, it feels criminal right now
midnight nimbus
just not in the hands of the vast majority of players
brave coral
But up to like 20m the recoil doesn’t affect your aim enough to need an adjustment, and 225 rpm is quick enough to get 3-4 shots in
solid hinge
people cant touch you
rose flicker
I miss bf3 & 4 sniping ngl
midnight nimbus
and it's a fact that they weren't overused
prime pine
If you had to "Balance" them kht. What would you do
brave garnet
I used to be able to do 10-12 cps back when I played R6S
solid hinge
you can literally just stand in the open and shoot people because their damage is so low
There is a way to shoot a2 bullets in a row at max speed
When u just need to duoble shot
brave coral
Semis are mostly decent up to medium range currently but sort of break down past that
prime pine
Actual ayla. Ive noticed that people are just abusing the shit out of the zh
solid hinge
I works very good for burst fire guns too
prime pine
And considering how shit the damage models are you're untouchable
dense bone
took people almost a month to not be morons and pick zh for range
strong parrot
Smh people just finding out about the zh 2 shot kill memes in 2020
prime pine
I levelled up my recon class with it
And it was literal dirt that made me feel uncomfortable
dense bone
its like dice told you to pick guns for their designated ranges...
prime pine
It felt SOOO good and chunky
midnight nimbus
for the average player, 5.2.2 AG m/42 was probably buffed
bc they couldn't hit 450 anyways
kek
strong parrot
I used it to great effect at the c point on narvik along with the revolver months ago for a 25 kill streak at the start of the game
midnight nimbus
it was so good
midnight nimbus
same damage as before
solid hinge
Less recoil less rpm
prime pine
Thats what annoys me
midnight nimbus
it was all I used when I played BFV assault
prime pine
Then again everything feels worse
solid hinge
you can literally stand in the open and shit on people
brave coral
Honestly most semis didn’t really have significant recoil in 5.0
midnight nimbus
450 RPM two tapping people in the face across the map
prime pine
I dont even remember what guns i mained with on assault
solid hinge
Zh has a weird recoil
prime pine
Back then
solid hinge
Selb is gg
dense bone
ive been saying zh and 1906 were ridiculous, ive been telling people stop using fg42 at range and use the slrs.. but no
strong parrot
Tell them to aim better
solid hinge
it's weird that they're still this good!
brave coral
Why would you use the FG42 at range
brave coral
You could bipod and get a kill if needed
solid hinge
138 the selb
midnight nimbus
cucked reload without irons or 2x
dense bone
were you not here when everyone was bitching about fg42 not being good at range?
midnight nimbus
ew
brave coral
But it was designed for close-medium range in 5.0 at least
strong parrot
Because you're playing a dynamic game and you might have to shoot someone not in your face occasionally? Mind blown 
solid hinge
128 rpm 2btk at any range beats a shed load of guns
Selb and zh have faster bullets than snipers
dense bone
128rof 2btk can beat a lot of shit users up close too
solid hinge
760
prime pine
Now try doing it consistently on a range targets BUT WAIT - Zero recoil fucking horrible damage model now! Hurray!
brave coral
Also tbf if that’s what you’re talking about, you should have specified that ‘at range’ meant like 20m
midnight nimbus
> BAR forced into SMG range
> no infinite heals like SMGs
ew
brave coral
FG did get awful in 5.2
strong parrot
Shed load what about a barn load of them?
prime pine
Literally kht thats what plays in my head
solid hinge
Bar slow rpm is good
the medic oversaturation is pain
That is the point of the bar
they're everywhere
prime pine
Why should i bother with support now that i can play with submachine guns that possesses better handling and infinite heals
dense bone
fg42 got pushed into a niche effective role
solid hinge
it sucks so bad
dense bone
people bitching it was bad outside that role are idiots
prime pine
Again The fg42 has no use
midnight nimbus
BAR is a flat upgrade over FG42 anyways
brave coral
I think it’s a combination of a new gun, infinite heals, and close range mostly being pretty stable
strong parrot
Let's give the bar an unhistorical rof 
solid hinge
support has a bunch of janky guns with useless ammo pouches and some dinky gadgets
prime pine
Basically
dense bone
i like that it takes the community a month to come to the conclusion i did 1 week into 5.2
solid hinge
Bar can actuaply kill ppl at over 100m
strong parrot
I'm sorry can you provide constructive criticism for us instead of this?!
solid hinge
U cant compare it w a smg
brave coral
I like playing Support but I feel like the main role of medium range automatic fire just doesn’t work for a lot of guns atm
midnight nimbus
LS/26 in 5.2 was a flat upgrade over the BAR at every range
prime pine
It saddens me cause i loved support
dense bone
again, something else being better doesnt make other things completely useless
solid hinge
you can use a pistol effectively
but people tend not to main pistols
because that would be silly
solid hinge
having guns that are flat upgrades over other guns is lame
brave coral
Yeah I never understood the ‘M1911 deals more damage than X gun at X range’ argument
solid hinge
@midnight nimbusdo u know that the bar has 2 dmg models right?
dense bone
it is effective, im not negating that theres better choices
prime pine
He does
midnight nimbus
I'm aware
brave coral
Like
dense bone
yall need to go back to language arts
brave coral
It’s a 3 hit kill lol
brave coral
M1911 is up to a certain range
midnight nimbus
thought you were talking ab BAR
prime pine
Same here
solid hinge
The bar is good if u can actually swtich the rof
dense bone
just because a gun is 9/10 doesnt make a 7/10 gun a 0/10 gun
midnight nimbus
FG is far from a 7/10 gun lol
dense bone
its an example
prime pine
Its still shit
solid hinge
When a gun loses on every single metric to another gun it makes it a significantly less appealing choice
dense bone
ironic you didnt get that considering you suggested you should have 2 people play 1 infantry person
solid hinge
Ls/26 is just a stg w less bullets and more recoil rn
There can be higher total rank guns that lose specific niches to other guns
midnight nimbus
why buy 10 tendies for $5 when you can buy 6 tendies for $5 😩
solid hinge
like basically every SMG had a role before 5.2
dense bone
@solid hinge significantly less appealing yes, but that doesnt make it completely ineffective, this isnt a hard concept