but we keep losing
#battlefield-legacy-titles
solid hinge
brave garnet
BF4 theme is so nice
warm portal
but i get shot on spawn so much + enemies spawn everywhere, theres no system to it
always hated stuff like that
brave garnet
The one I know the most is from BF1
solid hinge
wtf my k/d is above 2 now
prime pine
: o
solid hinge
@solid hinge yeah, I dislike wake island though since the us team always has the advantage in vehicles, which makes most Japanese matches very hard to win
prime pine
Aylas there with the big bois now
solid hinge
damm really?
warm portal
another problem with outposts
is the enormous amount of artillery spam
on points
its ok in the beginning but second
solid hinge
the artillery is fucked
solid hinge
@solid hinge yeah, they get like 4 tanks while Japan only gets 2
14 outpost matches today and i think i failed all of them
pine zephyr
I haven’t played it outposts yet, what’s the fortification capabilities on the new maps like for the different capture points?
solid hinge
damm that sucks
I did wake island earlier and Americans had 8 tanks
should be balanced
but all i pray for is jungle warfare
@solid hinge even worse then
no exaggeration, literally 8 tanks
it was ridiculous
coarse thunder
Jungle warfare...aaagh
brave garnet
Wake Island should be renamed Steamroll Island on Breakthrough
coarse thunder
As if bush camping isn't bad enough
solid hinge
This is why I lost most wake island matches
gray saffron
problem with wakey is that every capture spawns a tank. and i think you can still deploy in one through the spawn. so 4 tanks from the carrier and then a few new tanks from a capture point ;D
pine zephyr
6 American planes in Conquest on Wake Island.
...If the Americans can capture objectives C and D that is.
solar ridge
that's a lot of tank
modern sedge
Only way to win is as a true japanese soldier, by sacrificing your KD for the emperor
brave garnet
Did someone say tank?
prime pine
Tanky wankey on the wakey island owo
solid hinge
You mean Kamikaze? @modern sedge
modern sedge
Yeah
pine zephyr
“ike, nippon no tame ni !”
solar ridge
I got killed by kamikaze Plane yesterday
warm portal
i should watch some anime shit
pine zephyr
charges with bayonet
warm portal
lol
solid hinge
I did that on a tank 2 times, it isn't very useful honestly
warm portal
last thing i watched was goblin slayer, that was pretty gud
coarse thunder
I'm glad people aren't roleplaying the japanese, that would be truly toxic
At least early war
Because that seems to be all anyone knows
prime pine
White american devils!
coarse thunder
Cringe moment
solid hinge
goblin slayer has needless edgy parts but isn't terrible fantasy series overall
milsims are... something
warm portal
btw
did they buff artillery strikes?
feel like im dieing alot faster to it
and alot more
or is that just me
being unlucky
brave garnet
What's the fastest way to flatten a town? In Battlefield
pine zephyr
When someone calls you a weaboo but you can’t be one because you’re actually Japanese-
coarse thunder
Either v1 or run it over with a tank
brave garnet
Only if you can keep calling in V1 after V1
solid hinge
no mercy for bullies
coarse thunder
That one gaming anti-bully movement
solid hinge
Arty strikes aren't any stronger I think but I've been dying to them more in outpost as well
Btw, idk if AA got buffed as well since I got like 4-5 shot on a plane by one of these, maybe it was just because I didn't see it
coarse thunder
The AA on Iwo Jima second sector got me like 2-3 plane kills
brave garnet
I wonder what caliber/calibre is the artillery in BF5
solid hinge
If it's rlly buffed then that's good news
@brave garnet I honestly believe it is 20-40mm
prime pine
BOFORS aa is the besr aa
pine zephyr
AA’s been buffed ever since the Pacific Theater came out
coarse thunder
I would assume arty is prob 75s, although it obviously isn't realistic to actual artillery
solid hinge
not sure though
coarse thunder
I haven't read any notes since last chapter
prime pine
The BOFORS AA is just a stationary stock valentine aa which was always good
coarse thunder
I just kinda roll with it
solid hinge
@pine zephyr I have read posts on reddit saying that AA was really bad, that's why I didn't pay much attention to these even when I used them
solid hinge
I didn't read the notes honestly, since I came after 5.2.2 came out
gray saffron
oof, believing anything that reddit says atm is a risky move
warm portal
the aa is pretty weak imo
solid hinge
@gray saffron I have seen alot of complaints about it honestly
warm portal
a plane can come right at you eat every shot
and divebomb you
that should not be a thing
imo
gray saffron
AA guns are pretty strong right now imo. way better than pre-patch. you can fuck fighters right up.
brave garnet
In War Thunder its 152mm HE shells raining down on you, it starts out as a few hits around an area you marked for the strike, a few shells will land, 3 seconds apart then a barrage will happen in the center/centre, 1 shell every .25sec
solid hinge
If I see alot of complaints instead of just a few, it must be for a good reason @gray saffron
But at least I'm glad that they are buffed
gray saffron
most of the people on the bfv subreddit seem to be reposters or alts imo. ;D have you read the 5.2 posts? most of them range from just plain silly to just dramatically saying goodbye. the only ones i sorta believe are the ones giving some actual concrete criticism
icy sluice
I find it really funny that the hot post right now is crying over "We'll be tweaking over data and feedback"
solid hinge
Well if you say it that way, then maybe you're right
coarse thunder
Yeah, tweaking
warm portal
yeah, i dont get that either lol
the melodramatic crying shit
maybe it comes from being spoiled children
gray saffron
haha, didn't notice that post yet
gray saffron
feels like a true 2000 meme
icy sluice
Also, he asks people to say "why" and he gets mass downvoted lmao
warm portal
i liked that meme
lol
dont know, the anakin memes always get me
same with the laughing guy
you know who i mean
solid hinge
to be fair they've been saying why with no response for like
2 months
then some dude did a sensible why post in response to braddock and he blew him off
for once im actually on their side
coarse thunder
Lmao
warm portal
that is sort of the thing isnt it
they ask people to not be melodramatic now
and thats a reasonable request
but looking back at the last year there are TONS of reasonable voiced suggestions
requests etc
and they listened to basically nothing lol
solid hinge
I'd love to see the devs plan for the game cause their track record doesnt exactly show they're planning things ahead much
Here's combined arms sorry we forgot to put matchmaking in the co-op mode now lol heres a couple of extra missions for it okay its dead
solid hinge
Here's firestorm we have all kinds of ideas for firestorm we have a roadmap specifically only for firestorm heres a golden AT rifle and some blue flowers okay its dead
Heres the roadmap we have where we're going to delay 90% of the content on it if not just straight up fail to deliver oh yeah sorry we havent had a roadmap in like 4 months now it's dead
NOT to forget the wonders of the fucking 5v5 mode
pastel grove
You mean literally all of Chapter 4.
solid hinge
So well planned in advance that they killed both domination and frontlines for it, made multiple maps and gadgets and weapons for it, made new combat roles for it, then cancelled it on the brink of release
Sure glad they're putting their limited resources to good use
brave garnet
I wonder if they're gonna add the 5v5 weapons
solid hinge
not to mention the things that have been missing from launch: anticheat team balancing tank customisation
I wonder wtf they bailed on it.
They were so close.
pastel grove
I wonder if they're gonna add the weapons that weren't even planned for 5v5
Still no fucking Chauchat
brave garnet
I want to customize my tanki's
icy sluice
It could've been added but the community was so against it before it even came out
solid hinge
They could’ve at least put all the weapons, gadgets, and new stuff like dragging into the base game.
icy sluice
Dragging was cancelled
solid hinge
honest to god I think they had a critical failure on actually making the 5v5 mode function, like some kind of error in actually getting the mode to work
But when they bailed on 5v5 it took so much with it.
cause the response to the ttk change is 10 times worse than 5v5
and no dice
literally
ba dum tsh
Dice has made a lot of piss poor decisions with BFV and it makes me wonder what the hell they’re doing over there.
brave garnet
They had a bunch of guys leave
pastel grove
Taking 2 month vacations
solid hinge
So many dumb decisions. Released too early, canceled big modes, not listening to their community.
like yeah people disliked 5v5 but they hadn't actually told us anything about the mode, almost everything we got was from data miners; people will dislike the idea of stuff if they have no idea what's actually coming with it
stoic breach
Taking vacations is just part of work
solid hinge
That one guy who said “don’t buy the game.”
stoic breach
Its a management issue if they don't finish the work beforehand
solid hinge
theres literally no way 5v5 could be worse than squad conquest
pastel grove
Yeah but Raze their vacations are hilariously long
And they push shit like the awful ttk before they leave
stoic breach
Good for them, I would want a long fucking vacation too if I worked at DICE
With as much crap that goes on there
solid hinge
It's not that the vacations are long is bad so much as they do dumb shit before they go on vacay and they seem to have no one there in the meantime
Management and people leaving doesn’t make you make stupid decisions. Sure it slows things down but not make you that dumb.
I would consider breaking tank armour something bad enough to roll the update back
coral fiber
What outpost maps have planes in them
pine zephyr
None?
solid hinge
Especially when you release a new map that has EIGHT fucking tanks on one side
the vehicles in outpost unlock as the match progresses
stoic breach
Is that Wake Island
coral fiber
Ik arras has planes
stoic breach
I still havent played that
pastel grove
Also don't forget that the fuckin reports were broken for like
stoic breach
Or seen gameplay of it
pine zephyr
Create a mine field
solid hinge
50% and you get tanks, 75% and you get planes
pastel grove
2 weeks
stoic breach
I literally dont know what Wake Island looks like
solid hinge
Dice better get their shit together and pull this game out of their ass like they did with BF4 and BF1.
I did one match of wake island breakthrough, I was in a squad with a dude who got the infinite downed bug literally every single time he died and Americans got 8 tanks
Also why the hell did they release the game a full year early?
stoic breach
Nice
solid hinge
pinnacle of bug fixes and balancing
coral fiber
Because EA
pine zephyr
Infinite downed bug sucks
coral fiber
EA bad lol
stoic breach
They've been coasting for way too long
pine zephyr
That is until a hero of a player revives you
brave garnet
The glitch where you die and get stuck in that screen has never been fixed
solid hinge
Dice needs to fucking abandon EA if they’re screwing them over this much.
pine zephyr
I was down for 5 minutes
stoic breach
Honestly EA should just shut down DICE SE and make Respawn the primary company
pine zephyr
Then after the fighting cleared and calmed
My squadmate buddy revived me
It was neat
stoic breach
Vince Zampella is such a fucking chad that hes now in charge of Respawn AND Dice LA
solid hinge
tfw respawn has only made bangers
brave garnet
The last time I got the screen frozen on the death screen when you're down, it said that I'm over 170,000m away from my squadmate who is like 8m away
solid hinge
titanfall battlefield edition please god
scenic beacon
Scorch best boi
brave garnet
Crop dusters with MG's, storage containers with cannons ooooh
scenic beacon
Ree
brave garnet
BF1
coral fiber
And im already in the main menu instantly
I forgot how much this menu UI is smoother than bfv's on console
brave garnet
Oh yea
solid hinge
Welp, I’m gonna sleep now.
coral fiber
They shall not pass playlist!?!?
Oh yeah
brave garnet
The main menu UI was so good on BF4 and BF1, almost identical and then BFV....
coral fiber
Gn
solid hinge
bfv ui is shit, the assignment tracking is shit, all this stuff took a step backwards
no idea why
they made a triangle in their attempts to reinvent the wheel
scenic beacon
And then the assignments themselves are bugged!
brave garnet
War Thunder's UI is kinda shitty but better than BFV's
scenic beacon
I’d say it’s a fucking rod instead of a wheel
coral fiber
A nearly full server of fort de vaux
It's been so fucking long since I've played this map
pine zephyr
Why didn’t DICE make the MGs for plane gunners have AA sights?
Would’ve been more accurate
brave garnet
Oh yea
brave garnet
But you think they'd pay that much attention to detail
pine zephyr
It depends on some factors really
icy sluice
War Thunder's console UI is absolutely abysmal, you accidentally press one thing and you're in a match that you don't wanna be in and you can't just stop loading or anything because you pressed that fucking button
pastel grove
I fucking hate plane guns in BFV
I could shred enemy planes in BF1 as a gunner
BFV's just fucking suck.
pine zephyr
Planes were weaker in BF1 and view for gunners in BFV is much more limited
icy sluice
Considering that World War II Plane cockpits were... cockpits compared to World War I planes, it's not surprising
brave garnet
I'm dum
solid hinge
I tried war thunder on ps4 but good lord that felt like shit
almost every indie PC to console port I've ever played has been godawful ported
icy sluice
Who thought that pressing X anywhere sends you to a PVP game immediately?
solid hinge
game NOW
brave garnet
But I got use to War Thunder's UI
I mostly use the curser
LS to move it around and pull right trigger to select something
dusky badge
Hey, I’m curious, I got bad company 2 on steam and I was wondering why on origin it says I have to buy it
I already own the game 
brave garnet
Idk
icy sluice
I hate games that force cursors on their UI, we have a d-pad, let us use it ffs
dusky badge
Hmmm
icy sluice
I am talking to you Assassins' Creed
Why press one button that can send you to the other side of the page when you can have the slowest moving cursor get to the other side in 4 seconds?
brave garnet
Well good night bois
icy sluice
Good night
slow pagoda
aight ive been gone for 3 weeks, is anything fixed yet?
dusky badge
Also, I redeemed the codes for the ea play 2019 emblem and best community in the world emblem, bur I can’t find them on the companion app 
Maybe i need to check on my xbox?
icy sluice
Check in Battlefield V
dusky badge
Yeah, I’ll do that when i’m at my console
coral fiber
Oh yeah i got a couple of weapons for bf1 because i got the deluxe edition for bfv
hot drum
Morning
tough lodge
warm portal
lol
gusty badge
what is outpost?
warm portal
conquest with extra steps
coral fiber
Aight imma meme people with the Webley revolver in bf1
midnight nimbus
they were way stronger in BF1
especially relative to primaries
Auto Revolver was insanity and it was amazing
BF4 revolvers were even stronger than that
and BF3 revolvers were the peak
BFV revolvers (and sidearms in general) are the weakest of any modern BF
take the BFV Model 27, lower its recoil, buff its hipfire, and more than double its rate of fire, and that was the BF3 MP412 REX
stoic breach
Bring back god revolvers
gusty badge
anyone can tell me how to finish the first mission build 5 fortification in outpost
how to finish that
coral fiber
Yeah... Heh
Goin the support plane just gives me a shit ton of nostalgia
Mostly between me and another friend i used to play with
He was my main gunner lol
The best gunner a pilot could have tbh
We were unstoppable lmfao
pastel grove
@coral fiber I'm getting tired of Outpost so I'm joining you in Conquest
coral fiber
Ok
pastel grove
Gotta love when the game just fucking keeps you in the deploy screen
Can't even fucking spawn
Literally unplayable
Finally spawned
fast gyro
Y'all playing and I'm going to school 
pastel grove
Alright, gn Pilot
misty ice
привет, есть русские с утановленной бф4?
coral fiber
Translation:
"hi, are there any Russians with installed bf4?"
Also sorry bud but this is an English only server
prime pine
Suka blyat!
coral fiber
I wanna go back to the good ol days of bf1
With the boys
But time has moved on lol
Lol i kept crashing earlier
solid hinge
same as before, its just I think people have a clearer understanding of it
because of how they structured the tow
but the gameplay is fun because people are actually working as a squad
inner junco
seriously wtf, dice is fucking mad. an fps game and not even an anti cheat. fuck off
gray glade
solid hinge
yeah when we get users asking to be unbanned in game
inner junco
hahaha was in a game with 2 hackers... yeh, great work dice
gray glade
the cheating is the one thing that keeps me from playing BFV more tbh
if you play between like 12-14 CET on euro servers you will encounter at least one obvious cheater, 100% guaranteed
usually one you have seen before
solid hinge
I had one last night, just changed servers
long umbra
gray glade
the ones you see on euro servers aren't always aimbots, but really obvious wallhackers as well
and you see those players on servers and everytime someone complains about them
about the same stuff
inner junco
well i live in australia, so the only playable servers r australian... there are always a few cheaters that you encounter
solid hinge
similar to here in south africa, but here the cheaters are ostracized by the relatively small playerbase
I play on EU servers a lot, and there it seems cheaters come in two varieties, the obvious ones and the hidden ones
the latter just tweak things a bit to mostly come out on top of PvP
but not always win
tough lodge
from lewis gun to bolt action rifles
main grove
Outpost is fine they just need to make transports easier to get a hold of
Like they get abandoned in the middle of nowhere and they don't despawn for ages
There should be a spawn into transport option like in BF4 that respaws any transport immediately back to base/flag
raw orbit
Bf4 vehicle spawns were so perfect why did dice ever need to change it
Disagreeing with me = fascist
Ok then
stoic breach
Oh yeah, vehile recalling would be nice
Transport vehicles would also probably have to be safe to use
And not just tank bait
gentle stream
stoic breach
MG42 probably isnt worth using over the M1919 or whatever that bigmag american MMG is
Like, MMGs are alot better used at range, and MG42 isnt as good compared to other MMGs
Its just good for spraying people who cant see you and dropshotting
viscid crater
Imagine using MMGs though
main grove
I don't mind the universal carrier but I feel like it needs some sort of upgrade
To the guns I say
Like replace the front MG with some sort of small cannon
Like a 2pdr or 20mm
main grove
Imagine if you could spec transports 😳
Universal carrier is not a jeep
It's a tankette
And lots of people think that the Germans get the better end of the deal for transports because of it
solid carbon
Kübelwagen masterrace
prime pine
Imaging maining mmg's
main grove
imagine not being able to cross rough terrain and turn on your axis
this meme was made by universal carrier gang
jovial scarab
so whens that ttk revert coming
prime pine
They should do the full revert and make the majority actually happy
slate plank
I dont get why people cant adapt to the changes
solid carbon
Never gonna happen
prime pine
But then again. Whatever. Let the christmas idiots take over and let that be the new community
main grove
I mean it's not that they can't it's that it would make a month of work for nothing
viscid crater
Lol when i first used MMGs on BFV I was like "hell yeah I can run around with an MG42" and I tried to ADS and never used support again lmao
prime pine
The game was not made to support this ttk
Small tweaks here and there were enough. But doing a blanket change is just too far.
solid carbon
This ttk is unrealistic asf
prime pine
A submachine gun feels better than an LMG thats meant for medium range.
viscid crater
I really hate the acronym TTK now
slate plank
I'd accept it if they cut the higher btk by half so from 4-10 down to 4-5
prime pine
Weapons have essentially almost no recoil too. Where's the skill in that.
solid carbon
True
prime pine
Non of them feel rewarding to use.
main grove
The reason for the change was because certain weapons had no reason to be used
solid carbon
Make recoil great again
viscid crater
All of it just makes the game easier so I don't have to really try which is great
solid carbon
I always liked the mp34
main grove
MP34 should have had extended 4btk range
prime pine
Suomi t 100 / t2a
main grove
And they also said people were raging from being killed across the nap in about 500ms
viscid crater
I feel like all the changes they will do over this next year will only bring us back to where we were before 5.2
Then the new BF will release
prime pine
You can kill someone from that range but the chance for that is unlikely LOL
Incredibly unlikely
viscid crater
And none of it will matter, and they would have pissed the community off for no reason
prime pine
Everything (Excluding mmg's and boys rifles) felt fine
Such a widespread was not needed. Those who complain getting killed 100M away from a submachine gun are clearly bullshitting.
Cause then you assume from 100 - 0
main grove
But you were on 5 health
prime pine
What if you were already injured / Just got shot then hit by some subbie player
main grove
So yeah a STEN would one hit kill yoy
prime pine
Yeah. And you know what. Tough shit.
viscid crater
I don't think guns actually have a further drop off of damage and BTK after 50m
I think its consistent
Forever
prime pine
Yeah no you're on 5 health. You're not going to survive ANYTHING
main grove
The damage at average range doesn't feel that bad now
viscid crater
Well most people complaining died becase they were on 5 health
solid carbon
Liberator long range
main grove
The main issue is how certain guns are clearly better
prime pine
Try being a support main with this shitty damage model. You cant even fucking do your job properly.
main grove
DICE/EA does not give a fuck about you because you're not gonna give them any more money thanks to no paid DLC
I don't blame them
prime pine
Cause essentially it was an assault rifle. Now thats been butchered its nothing.
solid carbon
Sadly people are paying lots of money for boins
viscid crater
Yeah
prime pine
It was a 6HKO max with pretty high recoil for its class.
viscid crater
The hot fix made it back to what it was from the notes
viscid crater
FG-42
Improved damage model from 5-13 to 4-9 BTK with slightly faster dropoff than the LS/26
So it still sucks?
prime pine
It had the highest rof for all lmg's with recoil that could be managed to extend its range
9HKO is horrible
prime pine
25-18
prime pine
I literally said 6HKO earlier
prime pine
Easy, Had the highest recoil and unmanaged it was useless.
solid carbon
True
prime pine
20 round mag you couldnt even mag dump as efficiently in a distance.
main grove
So the only fucking difference between guns that mattered was recoil and rpm
That's it
prime pine
Thats where the bren comes in! Same model but more control, bigger mag and higher tolerance for scopes.
viscid crater
And accuracy
prime pine
It worked within its own right. You were punished for being a fuckhead in the past but thats barely the case now.
viscid crater
Even the bren in firestorm was one of the best weapons to use
main grove
It should be a 4btk up to 12m 5 up to 26m 6 up to 50 7 up to 75 8 beyond
With old recoil
prime pine
Yeah, Long long range buuuut why bother shooting that far anyways.
viscid crater
If it's a six btk up to 50m it'll be a 7 up to infinity
prime pine
You're still gonna be killed while on 5 health and whine like always
viscid crater
That's how most guns work it seems
prime pine
Wasnt referring to you but whatever
viscid crater
Most people die because they heal, and run out into combat when they just healed from 23 health and are now at 35 when they think they're at 100 lmao
prime pine
There was the differencial between the madsen and the bren tooo i remember that
main grove
Madsen was 5-5
prime pine
Why choose the bren over the madsen... Well. Madsen consistency over range versus chunkiness at close
Now the bren kills in two more bullets at the distance its supposed to reign dominant which is substantial as fuck considering the pace
viscid crater
That would make it worse though
main grove
Madsen should still be 5-5
I think 4btk up to 10m is fair
But drop off shouldn't be as fast
sour swallow
does madsen have that same scope as bren gun?
sour swallow
yeah thats why i use bren
prime pine
Its a + and on the top of the reciever
prime pine
Holy shit the bren was more powerful than i remembered. It was actually GOOD LOL
Weapons killed quickly which forced you to be on your toes. You'd actually use your fucking brain.
gray glade
dice needs to fix the damn language censor
its embarrassingly bad
i tried to say "oh wow, the horror"
but apparently HORROR is a dirty word according to dice
prime pine
Lmao what a fucking joke
main grove
Using your brain does not matter if your enemy is sliding around
viscid crater
Is this some kind of PC joke I'm too console to understand?
main grove
Good aim> playing smart
viscid crater
If they slide you hip fire
main grove
In literally every shooter
viscid crater
Or you let off of your ads and snap onto them
main grove
Even R6
sour swallow
idiot is also censored
main grove
Can you even be good at battlefield or do you just come across potatoes
God I'm gonna retire from shooters soon
I'm so sick of them
prime pine
I slide a lot
viscid crater
prime pine
Out of habit
viscid crater
This was with the sten lmao
My team was absolutely getting annihilated
That's how I play every game, and I lose EVERY game
prime pine
viscid crater
Rushing around, doing everything, killing everyone
Wow, you're a piece of shit Body lmao
prime pine
Dice wont really be able to keep people in the game when you got people that'll dominate the lobby with the cheesiest things
Hahaha
main grove
When you listen to your community for balance
Who do you listen to
The mega sweats?
prime pine
Everyone. If i do something wrong and it is universally hated. I will talk to them.
One on one.
Big server
Like this
Well... In that case a one on all
viscid crater
You were in a plane the whole game?
prime pine
I would ask them how they would handle these things
Yeah i wass
Im happy i got 60 K worth of score though
brisk field
so i just updated my nvidia driver but the thing when i boot up bfv and it closes by itself after a few seconds still happens
any solutions?
viscid crater
I'd go to #technology and ask
prime pine
Sorry coomer we really dont know
brisk field
ask them, i havent played bfv in about 5 months now
prime pine
Ah
Oh
Have you reverted your computer to a certain state before you updated your driver
I dont know much
And i may be completely wrong
brisk field
no i dont think so
already tried clearing my cache
still dont work
my only option is to repair the game
but thats a last resort
prime pine
Sorry i wish i could do more
tough lodge
Outposts is boring
prime pine
Grab a crocodile and blast zem all dustin
tough lodge
Change my mind
tough lodge
The only good thing about outposts is you can rack up squad points
Idk, i just dont feel like playing outposts
I only played for ToW
How different is churchill and sherman flamethrowers
prime pine
They're similar
Except
The crocodiles is exclusive to the passenger seat
And that the crocodile is a heavy tank so more armour
Dont forget the KA MI though
Ka MI uses flamethrower as well
gray glade
i played outpost like 2-3 games when it first came out last year or whatever, but it just emphasised on all that which i dislike about conquest...the constant running around from point to point
tough lodge
Also, do the hachi and calliope have different rocket drop?
tough lodge
@gray glade thats my point, no one is actually staying in a objective to defend it and upgrade it to level 3
stoic breach
Outpost is a good pointwhore mode and thats it really
tough lodge
Most people will just
Destroy enemy outpost
Build
Leave
Thats it
Not upgrading it to level 3 and defending it
prime pine
I destroy outposts in tank
main grove
If you ask people who are really good how do you balance the game I imagine they'd just ask for it to be fibe tuned for ebin killsreaks
prime pine
And defend them
stoic breach
Why would you expect players to want to defend
gray glade
yeah, i remember being the only one who bothered defending those outposts
main grove
And to make the divide between good and new even wider
stoic breach
Running towards an enemy will always guarantee some action
brisk thistle
prime pine
My friends are what you call "Sweats" but they're not mindless lol
stoic breach
Breakthrough is great because when defending, it doesnt take 3 years for enemies to show up
prime pine
They get really happy when a weapon gets buffed and performs uniquely
tough lodge
Breakthrough is the best game mode
prime pine
Breakthrough on defence boring
stoic breach
It depends on the map
prime pine
Breakthrough on attack though. 
tough lodge
Yeah kind of
main grove
Breakthrough should have less tickets
stoic breach
Breakthrough on defence doesnt have to be boring if enemies can constantly engage you
prime pine
Ironically
main grove
If the attackers simply can't get through a point in 10min the game should end
prime pine
Defending on wake island is my favourite in a plane
tough lodge
10 mins is so fast
prime pine
Cause i bomb the tanks
main grove
And not drag on for about 45m
stoic breach
Again that depends on the map
main grove
Fucking wish there was good AT so defending on wake island wasn't painful
prime pine
Wake island on conquest is extremely good
tough lodge
Batallions should return
main grove
Marita has too few tickets
stoic breach
Breakthrough sectors should go from starting easy for attackers to difficult in the last sector
The game has a good pace, and the last sector is all-or-nothing for everyone
tough lodge
I never played frontlines but based on what I saw from youtube clips i think its fun
prime pine
Defence on conquest wake island is the most fun as just simply as things go outta control you know where to go consistently
And there's always action
stoic breach
Also starting easy and becoming difficult can let the attackers gain more tickets and have them attritioned out over time
gray glade
i hear ppl say how wake island is so much in favour of attackers on breakthrough cuz they get lots of tanks on first sector, but honestly, my games has pretty much been 50/50 in terms of who wins
gray glade
"horney" 😄
prime pine
Hahaha
gray glade
haha
prime pine
Still though. Ive won the majority of my wake island defensive rounds
stoic breach
Iwo Jima has the difficulty scaling part alright
gray glade
yeah
stoic breach
Its just that the map sucks so it doesnt even matter
gray glade
iwo jima is real nice
prime pine
Just simply cause i fly and do my fucking job bombing the tanks
stoic breach
Attackers can take the sectors as fast as they want
Doesnt make getting shelled by camping tanks anymore fun
prime pine
The attackers are nothing without their overstock of tanks
gray glade
do you get hit by fliegers often bodie? cuz i feel a part of why i hate planes is cuz ppl dont attack them with fliegers very often
prime pine
I do get hit by fliegers occasionally in the match.
stoic breach
Yeah, FF being on assault just sucks
prime pine
But not as often as AA's
stoic breach
I feel like players wouldnt want to sacrifice an AT launcher for an AA launcher
main grove
The overstock of tanks would be good if AT was good
stoic breach
FF being a support gadget would be much better for everyone
stoic breach
If you could trade mines or AT pistol for an FF
stoic breach
Yeah
prime pine
It'd actually be funny. Having a guy miss you, hit a building, fling themselves back then you just club them.
stoic breach
Lunch mine should definitely OHK a tank if you manage to activate it from over 20m
Like, it's damage should increase the longer you run for
prime pine
Imma hide with cyanide in the bushes and bayonet the tank
stoic breach
It would definitely be entertaining to do
prime pine
Oh that makes for agood idea. But only against the engine.
stoic breach
Yeah, engine damage would probably be enough
Oh yeah, AT being buffed also means tanks would need to be reworked
Because the buff they gave to tank armour was really stupid
prime pine
Faster tanks and better accuracy easy
stoic breach
Yeah
Faster tanks, auto health repair
Global ammo supply with cooldowns instead of limited ammo from attrition
prime pine
Only regen till the threshold yes
prime pine
Maybe limited regen for 6 shells. Like the old battlefields.
tough lodge
I dont mind DICE putting assets from 1942 to BFV
tough lodge
stoic breach
I think speed and auto repair would nagate having to increase armour
Because the point is to make tanks flexible without being too tanky
Which sounds ironic
prime pine
Then have panzer shreks and bazookas for battle pick ups that deal an incredible amount of damage.
Whats the point in the speed when your tracks are fucked
stoic breach
Not even battle pickup
The emergency repair exists
If the game didnt have attrition, that could just be a cooldown ability
prime pine
Doesnt repair parts anymore
stoic breach
It should
prime pine
Excluding field rep
stoic breach
Cause that was the entire point of it
stoic breach
But yeah
Tank auto repair would be great
Also if engineers couldn't repair tanks
Repairing field guns is fine
But tank repair is actually OP if you know what you're doing
prime pine
Ironically
stoic breach
Especially with turn based tank combat already sucking enough
prime pine
The tanks fresh from the pacific actually neutered supports repair
stoic breach
I guess thats a good start
prime pine
Tanks would do far more damage than you could repair them for
prime pine
Chi ha did 45 from the front while shermans could do 57 or something with Heat
stoic breach
You dont spawn a tank just to then zerg with engineers
stoic breach
Its stupid to expect that from people
prime pine
25 25 25 25 25 25
stoic breach
Woo hoo
prime pine
I cant speak much
Cause
I dont have much experience in tanks
Despite my experience
Ironically
stoic breach
Its not a big issue
prime pine
These kills come from out tiering and cheesing tanks. Additionally infantry farming.
So i cant say im proud of myself
prime pine
How is it actual experience on tanks when im cheesing opposing taks and concentrating on infantry.
I mean sure
Im getting better at farming infy
But
How does that translate into better tank on tank experience if im just firing HESH at tigers
stoic breach
Because experience lets you know that tanks are all about "quantity over quality"
stoic breach
And as long as you can just stop enemy tanks from farming your team's tickets
Thats good enough
prime pine
If i can get a tank to fuck off im happy
stoic breach
Yeah
prime pine
Wnna know what was awkward as fuck though
prime pine
When you and yur friend are on the opposing side and you both sit in a tank ignoring each other
main grove
Thats why I wish tanks were weaker but spawned faster
They're a unit
Not a Battlefront 2 hero
prime pine
Based?
main grove
They're meant to meet their fate eventually no matter how safe they play
prime pine
Oh yeah
main grove
They shouldn't be made for killsreaks and harmlessly bullying infy
stoic breach
Tanks are best for bullying infantry
Its why infantry needs to be able to bully back
Like Battlefield 4
main grove
That's what I meant
prime pine
I blarged a few times on him with machine gun shells and accidentally hit him with a pak40 shell LOL
stoic breach
Yee
prime pine
I was in a PIv and he was in a valentine
main grove
Battlefield 4 had decent anti vehicle
novel blaze
it was annoyibg
prime pine
He said "We're no longer in a truce anymore, But we now have an agreement"
main grove
But BF4 vehicles were still rather stronk
solar ridge
NANI!?
novel blaze
it ruined caspian border for me
stoic breach
Hahaha
prime pine
And we just ignored each other
main grove
And hard to kill
stoic breach
Yyes
novel blaze
SH was opppp
main grove
Not invincible
stoic breach
And yeah
novel blaze
really over powered
main grove
But hard to kill
stoic breach
Strong-but-not-invincible is great
Strong tanks
Strong AT
Strong air
Strong AA
Good balance
novel blaze
yes but annoying anti aircraft
main grove
Planes should actually be fully disposable in exchange for super fast respaws
main grove
I want a life in a vehicle to last as long as a life as infy
But you're deadlier than infy
Taking a rocket should be like taking an SAR shot
stoic breach
Well, depending on the way its balanced
novel blaze
couldnt use rhe m4a1 as russiab. couldnt use the aku in the american team
main grove
Maybe not OHK
stoic breach
Tanks being able to drive away from danger, also good
main grove
But 90 damage
novel blaze
no
novel blaze
bf4 anti tank system was ok
main grove
It would encourage more tank camping
stoic breach
If tanks can drive away to repair and just recoupe, it would be fine
Like driving away to let ammo recharge
Oh shit I almost forgot
Removing turret rotation limits
For more reactive tanks like in previous BF games
main grove
Ehh see that's the one thing I'm iffy about
stoic breach
That system alone is enough to encourage camping
main grove
Now large tanks have an even bigger advantage
stoic breach
Why rush enemies and risk your speed, when you can sit back and point your gun in the direction of enemies
stoic breach
Flinking tanks wouldn't really be an issue, I dont think
Like if a tank can see you and aim, it'll be death anyways
And from a distance, turret rotation doesnt really matter because of paralax
Maybe thats not the right word
Its why turret rotation just forces players to sit back at a distance where the rotation speed wont effect them
To minimise risk
idle breach
Just rework the point system
Half any point from damaging and killing people with vehicles
Give something like actually doing tanking and things
Shooting down enemy plane with plane should give like 10x amount of infy kill
stoic breach
Tanking literally only involves killing people
idle breach
Yeah and
idle breach
Jist giv point for taking damage
novel blaze
can we just have bf3 jets ah bf4 sh and no annoying aa in bf6
stoic breach
Tanks shouldnt be encouraged to shoot down planes either
If they'll give more points than infy
main grove
He means you get more points for AT I think
idle breach
Yeah thats for pilots
stoic breach
Cause then you just have ghetto anti-airforce
main grove
Killing a tank should give you good points
main grove
I do think vehicles should die faster but come back faster
Gives infy more dopamine boosts for killing tanks
And planes
I do think fragging a vehicle is one of the most satisfying things you can do
stoic breach
Oh yeah for sure
Infantry classes having varying ways to perform AT would be good as well
Recon is ranged AT deterrence, assault is aggressive rush against AT, support is passive AT/deterrence, medic is less powerful but more reactive AT
main grove
Like said before support should become the best AA
main grove
With MGs and fligerfaust
stoic breach
Yeah
It would just work out
Also, assault shouldnt be able to fire their rocket launchers without fully aiming them
stoic breach
Powerful payload but you need to aim first, with a low strafe speed so you cant fast peak
Yeah
Medic AT would be better if it was weaker, but you could hipfire it
Like, Tromboncino as a grenade launcher should be available as a medic gadget
Also I had this idea
main grove
Medic should get AT pistol
stoic breach
Tromboncino could be like a soft PIAT
main grove
Or incen
stoic breach
Yeah, smoke launcher already exists for medic
Ooooh
Incendiary
That would be a fun gadget
stoic breach
Medic incendiary launcher that gets enemies out of corners would be really nice
Yeah
main grove
Made for making small lines of fire
glad knot
yo man
i haven't receive my rank up money yet
even know i am rank up and supposed to get 6k from rank up
what do i do to fix it
stoic breach
All you can do is contact support
glad knot
nevermind then
stoic breach
Its just a game fuckup
Nothing you can do about it
Which sucks heaps
Betafield V
idle breach
idle breach
this is totally unrelated but fucking look at the peoples attitude
they are telling something like "great" "thanks for the update" "hope y'all had a nice christmas" "thank you for the direct and open communication"
flint shuttle
haha damn
idle breach
we also got some occasional "welcome" comments lol
flint shuttle
I would be so unmotivated to fix anything if my playerbase was like the BF playerbase my god
idle breach
yeah
I consider bf playerbase not the best but certainly not the worst, I'd rather have bitching playerbase over some really weird cult followers
rather have some death threat by email than some players writing erotic fan fiction out of me
solid hinge
instant gratification meets cancel culture
flint shuttle
we simply need a battlefield where our objectives/spawns/resources are controlled by someone playing total war
idle breach
no
flint shuttle
ezpz 🍋 ✊
idle breach
no
flint shuttle
haha just kidding
idle breach
not that hardcore but as a total war player absolutely no
lol
how about sims playerbase
idle breach
I consider the playerbase of most casual and neaty looking games got the most twisteed fucked up playerbase
flint shuttle
still got my mind on crossovers
solid hinge
sims players are just second life/IMVU players who either haven't discovered those worlds or are too scared to try
idle breach
yeah most of them are, but there are some people just going "why murder someone when you can just lock someone in basement?"
flint shuttle
Maybe sims was created to generate data for the police of possible future psychos
idle breach
I had a collection of gravestones of my dead families in my front yard
all of them died from "natural causes"
flint shuttle
I'm sending this data to the police
gray glade
you're sending this to STING?
idle breach
every breath I take
solid hinge
Lmao there are still weapon assignments with errors in the way u need to complete the challenges
idle breach
aside balancing and things this game is surprisingly unpolished
main grove
They did have to make this in 1-1.5 years
Thank shitty release schedules for literally every BF game having a crap first year
solid hinge
Furthermore
main grove
Ams then it's a coin flip whether they'll get it back
solid hinge
It's dice
solid hinge
It's not low sales
Their making bank
Big
Despite all the problems I still really like their games
They do stuff that you can't get anywhere else
soft storm
You can literally find this exact gameplay in raven field now
flint shuttle
EA could probably keep the Frostbite team without having DICE tho
midnight nimbus
yes
idle breach
dice is more like uh, some obscure criminal gang in movie like
midnight nimbus
that's why SEED exists
idle breach
you know the cult thing like if you wanna ascend into higher class
you gotta sacrifice everyone under your wing
midnight nimbus
EA has its own frostbite team
idle breach
I think that's what happening in EA
when they buy some studio after a year or so the board members ask the leader of studio to make a choice, like
"choose between become one of us but you have to kill your studio"
flint shuttle
"soooo dice 👍 or 👎 ?"
idle breach
what am I saying