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#battlefield-legacy-titles
raw orbit
sturdy osprey
I think they purposely did it for new players
hollow wadi
I'm gonna have to turn that shit off then
sturdy osprey
That's why it's so different
icy sluice
Thankfully it doesn't feel too strong
Surprisingly, I haven't noticed it too much... maybe because I am already accurate enough :v
hollow wadi
It doesn't help you it just throws you off target
sturdy osprey
Yea but when sniping it gets annoying
hollow wadi
You mean op pistols
sturdy osprey
When you are aiming at a player but another one walks in front of him
hollow wadi
It's all ways been a 1-2 shot maybe up to 3 shot
icy sluice
Dude, I already have the level 40 outfit lol
hollow wadi
Grind the game lol
midnight nimbus
> introduces weapon changes that force everyone into CQB along with pretty much forcing Frontlines
"KPM has risen"
uhhhhhh no shit
hollow wadi
Are you a little Timmy that steals your mom's credit card @icy sluice
icy sluice
lmao
scenic beacon
its high noon
sturdy osprey
kht120 have you noticed the aim assist?
raw orbit
some more characters for us and japan yes please
delicate herald
It’d be pretty cool if we could actually completely personalize our character’s appearance, but this is a a shooter game not a RPG. Lol
raw orbit
at least copy the uk characters over to the us like why not 😒
sturdy osprey
Oh ok
modern sedge
PC aim assist would be completely unnecessary
icy sluice
Christian
hollow wadi
delicate herald
Helga and Gunter ftw
icy sluice
Christian and George could work maybe
sturdy osprey
Anyone get the gift yet for the snowman?
hollow wadi
Oof
idle breach
is helga that bald lady
ionic musk
Why is the Fleig brought down from 12 rounds of ammunition to 6 rounds?????
sturdy osprey
What is it
hollow wadi
They're all bald silly @idle breach
raw orbit
bf5 has waifus now
idle breach
helga is the bald
raw orbit
lul
icy sluice
There are a surprising amount of Japanese Women on the battlefield
sturdy osprey
Christmas wrapped?
hollow wadi
You gave up on words lol
idle breach
yeah im very rich in vocabulary
hollow wadi
I can tell
idle breach
linguistic prodigy I am
icy sluice
Asoko no teki!
idle breach
sound of the generation
ionic musk
@idle breach I guess it was after that update in early December before the Wake Island update.
idle breach
president of the united state
raw orbit
idle breach
hmm
hollow wadi
Hmmmm
hollow wadi
Ok boomer
idle breach
i forgot what my helga wearing
icy sluice
Feindlicher Panzer! Da drüben!
icy sluice
Not really lol
hollow wadi
Ok silent generation
raw orbit
did germans call enemy tanks panzers?
icy sluice
It's possible to learn bits of languages through games
raw orbit
ionic musk
@idle breach other weapons and ammunition was dimmed out on damage. Like the 6PDR rounds doesn't destroy airplanes...
icy sluice
@raw orbit Panzer means tank, so...
digital dew
1- why does it take 5 shots at medium range to kill someone with a semi-auto rifle. That doesn’t make sense
2- wasn’t this ttk supposed to help against mmg campers because I feel like it’s worse
viscid crater
sanitater!
sturdy osprey
If you didn't find crabs then you was too busy looking for the fucking snowman
icy sluice
First thing I did on Wake was build a snowman
idle breach
huh?
raw orbit
silly germans 
idle breach
6dpr doesnt' kill plaen anymor?
icy sluice
Feindliches Flugzeug da drüben!
sturdy osprey
😂 no it's get the bar
icy sluice
Quick German lesson
Feindliches = Enemy
Flugzeug = Plane
da drüben = Over there!
viscid crater
sie schlafen
raw orbit
yeah thats been a weird quirk since launch
sturdy osprey
-_-
raw orbit
raw orbit
shouldve done it like in bf1 where it was an option smh
dice always just leaving shit out 😒
idle breach
what are they call something like
icy sluice
It makes much easier to identify friend from foe tho
viscid crater
sanitater=medic
idle breach
special purppose vehicle like
ionic musk
@idle breach The last time I used it. Which was maybe a week ago. Not for me.
icy sluice
Oh shit! I hear the voice of an English man!
Over there!
idle breach
sonderkraftfahrzeug
raw orbit
tsaritsyn 
idk
soft storm
If you can hit 1 6 PDR shot you can hit 2
low totem
soft storm
Personally don’t think it’s a very noticeable change
viscid crater
Guys in game bleeding out on the ground speaking german
"sir I don't know what you want"
raw orbit
wait 5 minutes to find a game on the wake island playlist
finally get in
waiting for players to join
is this game actually dead wtf
dense bone
ive only had problems getting into a full server if i played SQ
but ive also not played anything but regular conquest recently
icy sluice
Yeah, there's so many servers with people playing
mystic ore
Does anything work really well though?
dense bone
well isnt a high bar, and id say a lot of bfv works well
mystic ore
Cant think of one feature that isnt riddled w bugs or half finished
icy sluice
Directional spotting is gonna be removed
( On the minimap showing what direction they're facing )
ionic musk
I have to jump back in to check it. IF it was fixed..
icy sluice
Ace Combat was mostly an arcade game wasn't it?
Like, a lot of the time, the game played itself
icy sluice
Not dissing it, I mean like the plane did most of the maneuvers for you
idle breach
there are few basic things
icy sluice
Not dissing it, I mean like the plane did most of the maneuvers for you
sturdy osprey
Please i can bomb as pie but dog fighting still a noob lol
idle breach
- make the enemy overshoot(overtake)you
- just pick the better plane
- make the enemy can't kill you but you also can't kill the enemy but you are helped by friendlies
and to elaborate
icy sluice
One thing that helps is flying in first person to look around
You can look around in first person
idle breach
A. keep looking around the whole map so you don't caught at the first time
icy sluice
I mean just after bombing or whatever, go to first person to look left and right
idle breach
B. if you caught your back, like at least 50% you're gonna die accept it
soft storm
Nah most players aren’t good enough to kill you that often
If you fly enough you can often cheese them
idle breach
anyway
how to make enemy to overshoot you
you need to be slow when enemy is going fast
assume you and your enemy got same plane
there are two ways
echo turtle
Slam on the breaks and ram him
idle breach
- Trick the enemy to go faster while you're going slower
sturdy osprey
When I'm about to kill them they fly over there spawn and repair or have another assist
idle breach
- just fucking stop in the middle of the air risking destroyed
sturdy osprey
Kinda not worth it
sturdy osprey
🤔
idle breach
anyway when enemy chases you there is something you can try like
raw orbit
anti tank grenades do more damage than the panzerfaust and piat combined
idle breach
go slow and down and rapidly go upward when enemy is close to you(when enemy got range you'll become just a target)
keep slowing down with reparing to make your plane even slower
slightly "dipping" your plane in water to make your plane near-stop
slightly ram something with your plane so your plane nearly stops like
sturdy osprey
Why didn't they just make HE for planes stronger on planes if they wanted to make them so bad against infantry.
idle breach
bfv dogfight is more like how to find out creative easteregg rather than actual dogfight
sturdy osprey
By time you find the enemie AA got your ass
raw orbit
it seems like with lightened stock you dont get the movement buff if youre leaning at the same time 😒
idle breach
now I'm gonna share my super secret dogfight trick
that I use only when I meet the worthy opponent
when your enemy is too good for you to shake off
autumn bane
what dogfighting trick if someone gets behind u in bfv ur done lol
solid hinge
idle breach
you need to be quick or you'll end up kicked to the menu
sturdy osprey
When you know you are about to die just turn off the console and cry
solid hinge
@autumn bane spin for a while and then stall
sturdy osprey
There
autumn bane
when in doubt redeploy like its gta
idle breach
the chased one have only two options
- fly faster and run away
- fly slower and make enemy overshoot
and both thing are of course not easy, the trick is
idle breach
making enemy to think you're trying to make him overshoot but actually you're trying to fly faster
or vice versa like
sturdy osprey
Redeploy still gets you a death on kd but leaving before harm doesn't 
idle breach
do a barrel roll and buncha thing don't slow down like you're trying to run away but suddenly go stall
solid hinge
So now the CC challenges cant be repeated or what?
sturdy osprey
Now ima sleep because I'm bored af
idle breach
ever played fighting games in arcade?
sturdy osprey
Ttyl
idle breach
like street fighter or tekken
sleep well
the most powerful move is not some tricky shit just
make the opponent lose his focus like
just fucking shout when the opponent is beating you or
like turn the machine off
throw a punch in his face
throw some sand in his face
soft storm
Lmao the smash player who would scream when they’re losing
And they had to officially make a rule against it
idle breach
you need to scream tactically
not just scream
you need to shout like
most unexpected
call his mothers name
something like that
idle breach
that's stupid move
at least shout something like
heyheyheyheyheyheyheyhey waitwaitwaitwaitwaitwaitwaitwait
raw orbit
do i hear smash 
idle breach
or
you should
shook the entire system so
opponent do mistake
i mean physically
soft storm
They had to put a rule in place and they named it after him
raw orbit
wahts the rule
raw orbit
idle breach
that's good
dense bone
you monster
raw orbit
what is the point in flanking anymore 😒 you can kill 2 or 3 dudes but youll never have enough ammo to kill the dumbass medic whos just gonna revive everyone
lost pilot
Dude people are freaking out over this update 😂 the social media communities are so toxic
lost pilot
This guy was complaining his STG couldn’t kill a sniper. And complained he wasn’t doing a lot of damage when he was shooting someone beyond 75 meters. Bruh that’s 225 feet you should have to really make your shots count
left barn
i am 24/7 marked. I cant flank ...
lost pilot
The spotting is dumb
left barn
its more than dumb
brave coral
Spotting also happens to be being removed
But you do realise the proximity spot only affects the player who spots you? Other people don’t see it
dense bone
@lost pilot welcome to the lack of thinking
lost pilot
Weapons have range now... which is what ppl asked For... however no one asked for the dumb spotting besides blind ppl or fuckin casuals
dense bone
dice says fg42 sucks at range
everyone rages because they cant get kills at range since gun is 10btk at range
lost pilot
Right!
dense bone
dice literally told you its a close quarter weapon
and you are literally mad it turns out the weapon is what they said it is
blows my mind
lost pilot
Tbh I begged in surveys for better weapon range balance and we got it.
Rip to the AR assault try hards
I also remember shotguns got a buff and assault players lost their damn minds
brave coral
Yeah i mean. They might have said it was supposed to be a close range weapon but that’s not how it should be
solid hinge
Ot sucks at medium range
brave coral
It’s not a ‘SMG/LMG’
dense bone
im not arguing it doesnt make sense
lost pilot
People wanna complain about weapon ranges while here I am using only support class 💀 bruh I run around with shotguns on panzerstorm
dense bone
im just pointing out the stupidity of the community as well
lost pilot
^
brave coral
That’s not a thing, apart from perhaps a few weird weapons like the LADS which was an LMG that happened to use pistol cartridges
dense bone
the DEVELOPERS TOLD YOU what a gun is made for, and you try to use it for something else and get mad
brave coral
Don’t think that’s fair
lost pilot
I think it’s fair
sage lagoon
I mean the fg42 is supposed to be a ranged weapon
brave coral
Calling players stupid because they were annoyed about a gun suddenly having very different effective ranges
lost pilot
Use a different gun then.
dense bone
devs dont make sense making lmg perform like smg but worse, but community doesnt make sense to disregard what devs said and complain like they didnt already tell you
lost pilot
Guns are situational now
sage lagoon
I never used the fg42
dense bone
they are stupid because dice directly said what its for
lost pilot
I can’t use the stg or fg for everything
brave coral
You’re totally missing the point
lost pilot
U*
sage lagoon
The fg42 isn’t supposed to be situational
dense bone
all weapons are supposed to be situational now...
lost pilot
Yeah
dense bone
theres hardly weapons that work at all ranges like before
lost pilot
That’s the point of the update lol.
dense bone
^
sage lagoon
I know
brave coral
They’re complaining (rightly so) because the gun was medium range before, and suddenly is relegated to being a shit SMG
lost pilot
It’s a shorter barreled , high powered , high ROF lmg
dense bone
complain dice doesnt make sense, but people are complaining they dont perform well where dice says it doesnt perform well
lost pilot
Why would it have range
sage lagoon
But that doesn’t change that the FG42 is a gun designed to be able to be used in as many situations as possible
brave coral
Don’t get me wrong, I like the direction of the rebalancing but they went too far overall, and especially so in the case of stuff like the FG
main grove
FG42 was meant to be I bit hard to control in exchange for doing decent damage from short to medium range
brave coral
That was the entire design philosophy irl
dense bone
im not disregarding dice was stupid in that decision, but people are stupid for using it and complaining
brave coral
They’re really not
lost pilot
Guns have range. Make your bullets count
dense bone
yes they are
lost pilot
All we can say really
dense bone
they are using a gun where its said to not be strong and complain about it
lost pilot
If the fg isn’t working maybe use the ke7
brave coral
They’re not complaining because ‘oh I can’t damage people at range’
main grove
But ARs and LMGs were also being treated like SMGs
lost pilot
Yes they are
lost pilot
Lmao 😂
brave coral
It’s more they’re complaining about the decision to make the change
raw orbit
dice balanced this gun stupidly
people are stupid for complaining about it
ok brotherrrrr
lost pilot
No
main grove
Reddit can’t let go of the old TTK
brave coral
That’s literally what you’re saying
main grove
People in general can’t let go
dense bone
">dice balanced this gun stupidly
people are stupid for complaining about it
ok brotherrrrr"
they are stupid FOR TRYING TO USE IT AND COMPLAINING
lost pilot
Reddit is fucking stupid
dense bone
complain the gun makes no sense thats fine
but actively trying to use it and being like "omg the gun performs like dice said and im angry" is different
midnight nimbus
i mean it's pretty fair to be mad ab the changes
dense bone
youre stupid for trying to use the gun at range, youre not stupid for complaining about it
tight rain
Reddits still bitching about the update?
brave coral
Jesus I can’t make a point if you’re just gonna keep jerking yourself with the same argument of ‘players stupid because DICE made a change’
midnight nimbus
when DICE marketing before launch indicated that the gunplay pre-5.2 was the goal
lost pilot
Ppl are mad they don’t have a gun that does it all now
midnight nimbus
difference between this change and the changes in BF4/1 were that the BF4/1 TTK changes didn't fundamentally change how the game played
lost pilot
They literally made it so guns have a damage drop off. Which makes me happy
dense bone
complaining gun doesnt make sense now and is bad - perfectly ok
actually trying to use the gun at unintended range - dumb
midnight nimbus
well people were mad that BF1 guns were pretty range limited, and a huge marketing point for BFV was that guns were less limiting than before
raw orbit
how are the two even different lmao its bad because the intended ranges are dumb so wtf do you want people to say 
autumn bane
4-6btk weapons are fine on most maps but not on maps with alot of open sight lines
dense bone
if you cant tell the difference i dont know what to say to you
thats not my fault you have bad reading comprehension
midnight nimbus
raw orbit
"this weapon is bad. just so nyphon isnt mad at me id like to make clear that i only used it at dice's intended ranges" 
👍
dense bone
i can try to simplify, again
sage lagoon
The FG42 was designed to be a select fire, all-around gun. It was meant to do a lot of full auto damage up close, but also be able to do decent damage at rage using semi auto. It used the same ammo as a kar 98k
silk mist
It's like you are talking to a wall, these people defending the TTK lmao
lost pilot
Guns have range now. Get over it
dense bone
knowing a gun is bad at range and it doesnt make sense and complaining is one thing
but trying to use a gun at range when its not meant for range is actively dumb
silk mist
Great to have 30m of range on a large scale warfare game
lost pilot
Use a different gun
dense bone
@sage lagoon bringing irl examples for a game is hardly ever a good idea
main grove
People got way too used to having loads of range in a BF game
lost pilot
Right
sage lagoon
What they should have done is instead of lowering the damage down at long range, they could have just given it hella recoil
main grove
Even though 5-20m is like the average killing range
midnight nimbus
god forbid you have effective long range capability in a game with tons of long ranges
dense bone
you have long range capabilities in guns designed for range, like the zh
silk mist
5-20? Where did you get that from?
dense bone
its incredible people think range is dead
main grove
The have long range weapons
midnight nimbus
also 22m is the average (mean kill distance)
main grove
They’re called bolts
dense bone
you just have to intentionally PICK FOR RANGE
silk mist
You just pulled that from your own experience didn't you?
dense bone
you cant pick anything anymore and still be decent at range
midnight nimbus
means aren't very good at representing what actually happens
lost pilot
Using that logic, the Bren I’m pretty sure shoots 30-06 but I only did 30 damage a head shot while any assault rifle did that just on body shots. Mind you this is all the way across twisted steel
midnight nimbus
and this is a representation of kill distances, not engagement distances
lost pilot
So yeah we needed a range balance
midnight nimbus
the 22m figure has been more or less pretty similar throughout BF titles
a range balance absolutely wasn't necessary
lost pilot
Being sniped with the STG was getting old real quick
dense bone
so you say 22m is avg kill distance, and complain we dont have range.. when avg kill distance isnt a far range at all?
dense bone
(and we still have range in slrs/bolts)
midnight nimbus
again, averages aren't very good at representing the whole
dense bone
so that claim is false
main grove
The STG was not a sniper
sage lagoon
I think they just lowered ranges too much
main grove
But it could melt you up to 50m in no time
lost pilot
“Wasn’t” is get melted across naps with it
dense bone
@sage lagoon thats a fair assesment
solid hinge
the bolts are still poop so there's two SLRs that are actually good beyond 50 metres
dense bone
but people complain about lowering ranges at all
solid hinge
having two guns in the game that are actually effective beyond 50 metres doesnt exactly scream player choice
midnight nimbus
yeah, having a game with tons of long ranges without fun long range play sucks
dense bone
fun is subjective
and hopefully they flesh it out now that there is reason to add bolts/slrs
midnight nimbus
without much variety in long range choices, rather
solid hinge
wanna hit someone at range? play ZH recon or drive a tank
dense bone
because before you could just pick any semi
sage lagoon
I do agree that there was a problem with stuff having too much range, but they made maximum ranges from like 15-20 meters when it would make more sense to make them like 30-40 or something
main grove
Or just use bolts
solid hinge
Bolts still suck
main grove
Why do you limit yourself to metas and “best” guns
dense bone
they suck less
tight rain
I disagree
main grove
Fuck using the ZH
dense bone
a lot less
main grove
It’s easy mode
solid hinge
They might win in straight up 1v1s now, it doesnt change that they suck
silk mist
Sure range could get a nerf, but they shouldn't have made every gun a CQC weapon
solid hinge
It's no easier to hit targets who do anything other than run in a straight line
dense bone
winning 1v1s is a huge improvment compared to before
solid hinge
If someone with a bolt is aiming at you you can literally just walk away
dense bone
well before if someone was aiming at you with a bolt you just shot them and killed them
as long as you didnt have a shotgun or something very specifically close range, you were likely to kill them
silk mist
This update was meant to help noobs stay alive longer but it only helps people with great aim
dense bone
^
silk mist
And it sucks
dense bone
no problem with that, just preference
solid hinge
bolt users usually stayed next to rocks or cover anyway to avoid that happening
silk mist
Just to be clear
gray saffron
it helps both though. noobies tend to not pick on fights. they scatter, they hide and camp and wait till the enemy comes close. they couldn't do that in 5.0 ;D
dense bone
i personally like more emphasis on aim (top 2% accuracy in this game)
sage lagoon
When I played, it just felt like most of the time when I ran into people, even when I felt like I was at close range, weapons still felt like they could barely kill
main grove
I have no clue why people are still taking about this TTK
solid hinge
my hit rate on actual moving targets with bolts is shit
main grove
It’ll be gone in a week
sage lagoon
I think they just nerfed range too hard
solid hinge
they're modifying it slightly
dense bone
same "ttk", just balancing imo
dense bone
even though some balancing decisions are weird
main grove
Not a damage nerf
lost pilot
I just wanted guns range balance
main grove
Lots of guns get their 4BTKs back
silk mist
The update won't do much, it's still a different game
main grove
Especially the Breda
sage lagoon
I was actually in full support of the range change
sage lagoon
But when it came out it felt like shit to me
solid hinge
all the better to snipe people with AT guns
brave garnet
Ew
sage lagoon
I think guns should have at least mid range capabilities
sage lagoon
They don’t feel like it
silk mist
I have avout 600 hours in the game and I though: sure there should be improvements to range but they should have started from pre 5.2 instead of going all the way and going back
dense bone
only kht will complain about lack of range when slrs and bolts still exist and are strong (bolts not exactly strong), and then say most kills are around 22m
sage lagoon
It just feels like I’m shooting airsoft guns outside super close range
midnight nimbus
average kill range is 22m
anyone who passed a couple math classes knows that the average isn't a good representative of the whole
silk mist
True
gray saffron
people aren't shoved in just cq combat, they're shoved in their effective ranges now instead of effective on all ranges ;D (unless you were a smg or shotgunner/SNIPOIR, those worked pretty much as they should be)
midnight nimbus
especially if kill distance distribution is skewed (which it heavily is) in BF
haughty pawn
sounds like horseshit,that 22m
lost pilot
I think the problem is DICE MADE EVERY FUCKING MAP HUGE
sage lagoon
Yeah
lost pilot
wouldn’t have a range problem if their wasn’t range
silk mist
Ohh we have the cod crowd here
midnight nimbus
also kill distance =/= engagement distance
sage lagoon
Big map and short kill range doesn’t work well
silk mist
Yes
main grove
This TTK May have been more fitting in the 5v5 mode
lost pilot
Cod is pretty trash
dense bone
still options for killing at range
lost pilot
Mw story is so fucking boring
haughty pawn
ofc,planees and tanks lul
dense bone
unlike kht making it seem like theres only CQB
silk mist
You just sound like some dumb edgy nerd
silk mist
Condor
lost pilot
Huh
gray saffron
there's plenty of cover on the new maps though. panzerstorm showed the difference well of how big maps can be handled for infantry combat. first version was very vehicle focused, second one has much more lanes infantry can use to stay safe.
dense bone
where are you even getting 22m kill range average?
main grove
I mean
sage lagoon
Yes there are options for killing at range, but what is the fun in being forced to use a weapon cause you couldn’t get a kill with a gun you like, even if you work hard for it
midnight nimbus
it's the figure DICE was citing all over their community broadcast
main grove
Guns in BF
dense bone
is there a chart distributing kill ranges?
main grove
Have always meant to kill up closer
lost pilot
Wut u want niqsun
dense bone
considering zerging is popular in this game id imagine engagement distances are also skewed close
silk mist
I want a battlefield like what battlefield should be
midnight nimbus
not that chart, one showing kill distance frequency
and funny enough, the wep designer had already said guns were balanced around 22m 🤷♀️
gray saffron
one gun shouldn't be THE gun to use in bfv. at that point, why bother even obtaining new guns? instead, you should have a variety of guns that you feel comfortable using depending on the maps. or guns that fit your playstyle closer etc.
main grove
So I’m not bothered
dense bone
so even saying 22m kill average distance theres nothing to conclude either way with just that information
hybrid dragon
Wake island easter egg has been solved. 
https://twitter.com/GrizzleOnTwitch/status/1205554921904455680?s=20
lost pilot
Agreed
autumn bane
when does the patch drop? next week ?
silk mist
Sadly new dice is incapable of having any consistency
midnight nimbus
BF3, 4, and 1 had pretty similar kill distance distributions, doubt BFV is far off
lost pilot
Rip dice
dense bone
again, why bring that up if you cant draw any conclusions with just that info?
silk mist
Rip dice
midnight nimbus
similar designers for all 4 games
dense bone
at best it only contradicts your complaint that there are no range options (which is just false)
lost pilot
The lead designers I thought left
dense bone
and that pushing cqb is a problem
midnight nimbus
ranged options were just heavily neutered
for little reason
CQB was already strong, no need to further reduce an already relatively niche play style
lost pilot
Well big reason is most people played assault because of the weapons having quite large range capabilities
midnight nimbus
if anything it contradicts what DICE has said
that they wanted to "improve the sandbox feel"
lost pilot
Assault was being used it seemed like 90 percent of the time
dense bone
cqb was already strong, and still is strong...
idle breach
we need to nerf the tryhards and expert players
lost pilot
Then nerf assault
silk mist
Dice has some weird other reasons for this patch which they don't like to talk about
dense bone
reducing most guns ranges only increased the slr and bolts effectiveness
cqb was good, still is good, they only reduced most guns ranges that were interfering with slrs and bolts effective ranges
midnight nimbus
also coming with SLRs getting their effectiveness heavily reduced at more typical ranges as well
silk mist
Tryhards and expert players were 'nerfed' before because you could outplay them by good positioning
Now they can kill you because it takes too long to kill them
dense bone
wow its like they are trying to define weapon types ranges
midnight nimbus
nothing wrong with SLRs' previous effectiveness
and weapon types were already very defined before
lost pilot
You have ccq, mid range and long range with assault
dense bone
they typically just had 1 range they were "specialized" in
midnight nimbus
that doesn't imply a lack of definition
most guns are usable across most ranges, that's fine
each gun still had a defined range where it's best
lost pilot
Eh
lost pilot
^
midnight nimbus
so guns were already very defined, since they already had a range they were best
they were just also usable outside of that range
lost pilot
Ppl played assault because it was the jack of all trades.
Best range options
With one or two guns
dense bone
their BEST range was 9/10, while their other ranges were effective at 7-8/10
midnight nimbus
sounds pretty defined to me
dense bone
and 90% of guns had this type of system
midnight nimbus
you still have your optimal use cases
dense bone
thats literally an example of not being defined
midnight nimbus
but you aren't screwed if you aren't in your optimal use case
main grove
Surely there should be a range where guns become bad in comparison to shorter/longer range options
dense bone
hardly anything performed bad
lost pilot
^
dense bone
how is that defined?!
lost pilot
Support
midnight nimbus
what's wrong with that?
lost pilot
Support got that poo poo range since launch
hybrid dock
i like how people complain that the americans are attacking on wake but for like 3 games the americans have attacked on the map
midnight nimbus
you don't need something to perform poorly to have unique roles
dense bone
but its definitely not defined
midnight nimbus
FG42 was certainly the premiere 0-30m LMG
main grove
Really Fucking frustrating
midnight nimbus
that was its defined niche
other guns were usable there
but the FG42 was the clear best
lost pilot
It’s a ccq-mid range gun
lost pilot
True
midnight nimbus
sounds like the FG42 had a pretty defined niche there
solid hinge
I wish only dice la worked on bfv
lost pilot
IMO it seemed like support had situational weapons while other classes didn’t
hybrid dock
m1a1
queen canopy
^
lost pilot
Wut u mean
hybrid dock
bad
lost pilot
It’s good af
frank oasis
M1a1 was good as long as you trigger spam it
midnight nimbus
every gun had its own situational advantage
hybrid dock
dice la yeeted out
queen canopy
It’s not an FG-42, but not great
dense bone
left side is pre 5.2 levels of defined ranged
midnight nimbus
LOL
dense bone
right side has a way more defined effective range
solid hinge
Revert to beta
queen canopy
What scale is that
lost pilot
Makes sense to me ^^^^^
midnight nimbus
obligatory bars
dense bone
when every gun is either a variety of 7-9/10 of effective at all ranges that is not defined ranges
viscid crater
I got almost 3k score from that
solid hinge
8btk should be max
There should not be a gun that needs +8 btk
The BAR sounds great, looks great but there's one flaw.... The TTK
midnight nimbus
game with common 100+m sightlines and most pre-5.2 guns losing effectiveness at 30-50m
DEFINED
solid hinge
I can't kill 2 people with one mag
silk mist
Best sound of the game: G6 nose gun
midnight nimbus
like the SLRs already had massive relevance before
just because it's not a popular pick doesn't mean it lacks a niche
solid hinge
@silk mist B2 BK 37MM
midnight nimbus
some niches will just be more popular
dense bone
kht basically reacting like a meme kid to a game he hasnt even played since 5.2
midnight nimbus
people in FPS love the tard rush
solid hinge
@solid hingeFemale screams
midnight nimbus
I've had >200h in BFV
solid hinge
Lmfao
midnight nimbus
I've played the game plenty
silk mist
That is nice too, but I like the very low sound of the G6
dense bone
have you played since 5.2?
solid hinge
@dense boneToday
dense bone
talking to kht
midnight nimbus
planning to this weekend
solid hinge
F
dense bone
so no
solid hinge
@dense bone yes
midnight nimbus
my friends who play extremely well in CQB love it
so do people I know who love tanking
upbeat cloak
this all sounds really confusing
queen canopy
It’s not bad in CQB. It’s anything past that where it starts to be painful
silk mist
Just as confused as dice
mellow lintel
@DICE balance on Wake Island is really crap ATM. you win without a sweat or lose without being able to do anything back....
solid hinge
@queen canopyNot really I cant kill 2 people in cqb now
midnight nimbus
funniest part about how shit the long range guns are is that you can self heal spam your way to survival
absolutely epic
midnight nimbus
ZH doesn't shoot fast enough to stop a medic from turning it into a 3HK
ZH is 125
more than enough time for a medic to get himself past 50hp
dense bone
are you suggesting people have instant reaction time?
midnight nimbus
125 is pretty piss slow
don't need to react anyways, I'm spamming it by default while moving around
dense bone
isnt 200ms like average reaction time?
shrewd basalt
looking for bfv players if any
solid hinge
125rpm with 52 damage is enough to out-heal
dense bone
again, reaction time after first hit leaves a very, very tiny window of healing before next shot lands
solid hinge
Idk about you guys but I mostly play against people who are in their 30-ies or 40-ies
midnight nimbus
bolt actions being relatively less shit at range doesn't change the fact that you can out heal then too
dense bone
(if it even leaves a window)
midnight nimbus
dude you don't need reaction time
literally spam it even when you don't need it
no downside
dense bone
should if game was serious
midnight nimbus
even your premier long range autos
like the Bren/Madsen
shits still mega slow at range
soft storm
Imagine the Bren being a 3 shot like in Cod WW2
dense bone
considering ive been ZH taking out people consistently if i land 2 shots 1 after another
soft storm
God that was fun
dense bone
gonna say zh arent obsolete like kht is trying to paint
they could be if people were smart
midnight nimbus
but then again, why take ZH over a bolt action carbine
dense bone
but we have people trying to use fg42 at range
so its safe to say a lot of people arent smart
viscid crater
A lot of people didn't even know there was a huge change
viscid crater
Even though they had to update before they could play lol
gray saffron
some think the hotfix is already in the game ;D
midnight nimbus
anyways, original point is that making your defined range super restrictive by making your performance really shit outside of it is ridiculous
it's what many said they hated about BF1
viscid crater
I swear I've noticed some differences yesterday
dense bone
thats the definition of making defined ranges
midnight nimbus
though that's not really true of BF1
dense bone
if you like it or not or think its bad is different
viscid crater
It seemd a little more fluid, but I doubt they changed anything yet
rose pilot
nocturne hill
bfv wake island servers arent starting
dense bone
by definition that is how you define ranges, if its a good idea or implemented well, etc is different
midnight nimbus
that's the definition of defined uselessness, guns had defined ranges of dominance before
now it's dominance or nothing
more or less
dense bone
exactly...
not saying its a good idea
but thats literally defined ranges to an extreme
brave perch
Hiya. New Player. Unlocked lvl3 as support, progression tree says the Ruby was "added to my company". When I try to switch pistols, it won't let me, and if I open the secondary weapons' page, the ruby is locked and says I need support lvl3. A bug?
raw orbit
gaem broke
dice broke the game
tight rain
So i have being told, it is a bug
tall finch
@brave perch no one is able to progress lol
brave perch
What the hell
tall finch
It's a huge bug
raw orbit
welcome to battlefield 
enjoy your stay
tall finch
I havent been able to unlock the mg 42 despite lvl 20 support
tight rain
Thats so sad
brave perch
Man, I think I might regret that 1€ I spent to get the game 
gray saffron
hmm
tight rain
Everyone should be blessed with the chance to use the mg42
gray saffron
okay ;D
brave perch
So now I can only use the 9 default weapons and that's it? That's so lame
tall finch
Yup
tight rain
I see you too are a follower of the mg42
raw orbit
maybe dice will fix it but who fucking knows
tall finch
Is there a cult of 42
gray glade
they already announced the hotfix
tight rain
Probably
gray glade
where they adress new TTK and spotting etc
tall finch
Well I'm creating it
raw orbit
sure but they had to 'fix' cc like 20 times and its broken again now 
brave perch
So how do people use weapons that aren't the first 9? do I have to go 1 level above the requirement? Does that fix the bug?
tight rain
How dare you
tall finch
@brave perch no you just cant unlock anything until they hopefully fix it
tall finch
I'm using the madsen at the moment
tight rain
And i suck with almost all of em
gray glade
currently mg42 is the best but that is because of the bug
tall finch
Yea
gray glade
in 5.0 patch imo mg42 wasn't the best because of the recoil nerfs, which why dice are reducing that recoil next patch
dense bone
@brave perch this is a new problem, plus you can buy guns with CC
raw orbit
defending bugs now
dense bone
who is defending bugs?
viscid crater
We defend the crabs 
tall finch
I hope to live to see the day BfV doesnt have any bugs
solid hinge
What's a crab?
tight rain
Its a thing
solid hinge
dense bone
where is anyone defending the bugs?
tight rain
You can tell its a crab by the way that it is
gray saffron
bf4 managed to do that, surely bfv will do as well, garfield
dense bone
there will always be bugs
queen canopy
Bugs
tall finch
It's weird to think that computers and software will progress to the point where bugs dont exist
viscid crater
@tight rain lmao I saw that thread live on reddit and had me dying
queen canopy
Bugs never changes
dense bone
especially for how complicated bf games are
tight rain
Hmmm
tall finch
🐛
solid hinge
@queen canopy is toxic
tight rain
Which thread? @viscid crater
queen canopy
What?
viscid crater
It was on reddit and a bunch of people were saying "you can tell it's a whatever by the way that it is!" I forgot what they were talking about, and they just repeated over and over
tight rain
Ahhh
viscid crater
I have to find it
tight rain
I see
tight rain
queen canopy
viscid crater
That's likely where you got that from
tight rain
Naw, i got it from my family
But i think i know what you where talking bout
I want a tripod for my mg42, so i could put a scope on it
Like a gadget would be neat
queen canopy
Did Shantieman just pipe in solely to say I’m toxic 
tight rain
Though that could be a little op
upbeat cloak
i have no good weapons
queen canopy
False
tight rain
You dont have a mg42?
gray saffron
if you can earn cc, buy the year one guns from my company ;D
though m1 garand is pretty good if you start with that
tight rain
The m1 garand is pretty good
queen canopy
As is the G43
upbeat cloak
i try to adapt to what is happening but my top class is recon and usually after that its support
upbeat cloak
i use the first weapon for both
i hate the second assult class weapon
assault
spell
solid hinge
I want a m1 grand buff
solid hinge
Like 4 shots with heavy load is too much
mossy jay
i dont agree
if you are a decent player you can take him out without a whole lot of trouble
but thats my opinion and if you exclude operation underground i guess
from distance
slow sable
hey
mossy jay
hey
torn frigate
so there's this thing auto loading shotguns which I think the Christmas noobs will like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pg_dOQhmDWg
fickle idol
solid hinge
A PSA
from myself
I quantified the fix for undelivered class unlock guns not being delivered. (such as M1928A1 for level 20 medic) the player must go to Practice > Practice Range or test your knowledge against real players, complete the original Weapons Practice or squad conquest, In Practice against Players, make sure you rank up the class in match so you'll get it eom and then the unlocked gun will be delivered ................................. You can also do it on Custom Games
If you are already level 20 for your class, you can still play and it'll update everything. So, DICE added the Kunai throw knives for the Japanese faction which unlocks at level 9. If you're already level 20 sniper, then just play Practice against Players or Custom Games once (you don't have to finish), and the Kunai should be unlocked for you. You may have to wait for the match to end for it to trigger. Thanks to Stirling Archer & Nyphon for the additional info.
I just tested it and it works
dense bone
you should pin that
modern sedge
pretty roundabout way, but at least we have something
Also: how do you switch classes in the training range
viscid heart
anyone else unable to join server "waiting for players to join" on PC?
solid hinge
when you spawn its the one on the right
mossy jay
you dont have to since you can just chose any gun/ability
tall finch
The one where the guy goes step by step with every class gun?
solid hinge
yeah
tranquil wedge
has anyone had issues connecting to Battlefield servers for the past 24-48 hours?
gray saffron
what's the better rockets for the a6m5? 8x type 3, 2xtype 6 or go for the angled 20mm?
shy rover
hoary creek
It's so boring
Battlefield 5 is so fkin boring now
I liked how intense it was in Pacific update
Miss that
peak vigil
I thought it was ok
soft storm
I despise playing infantry on most maps now
peak vigil
But what is the ttk like wtf why does it take a full clip of a Fg 42 shots to kill someone?
raw orbit
bruh what happened the pacific is bad now ok bro
peak vigil
Wake island is so hard for the Japanese too
spare citrus
yeah, instead of playing, lets go to the practice range cuz dice can't fix their garbage game
solid hinge
Pacific storm best breakthrough map
spare citrus
go on glass door and look up dice reviews , it aint pretty
solid hinge
there are things called opinion my guy
dense bone
consumers went to glass door to flood negative reviews? shocker
peak vigil
Breakthrough or Conquest? Which do you think is better?
spare citrus
it's from people that worked there ,
spare citrus
oh you again from this morning , telling people voicing their opinion to stop complaining
peak vigil
Breakthrough or Conquest? Which do you think is better?
spare citrus
now it's a 180 huh?
sullen crown
dat double message
solid hinge
i find breakthrough better because its focused on two or one ares
peak vigil
Yeah
dense bone
dice glassdoor review sits at a 3, the worst reviewd dice studio too
3 is pretty standard from that site
dense bone
thats dark
not only that but it sits at an average score
actually its .4 below average
someone call the BBB dice done fucked up
wet meadow
I was playing on wake island. We were capturing a point and I ran into an enemy that just respawned.
he died 1 second later
sullen crown
i'm more concerned about all the bugs they introduced & re-introduced. don't really care about gun balance changes
wet meadow
yup
gentle garnet
also, hopefully they will fix the bs that doesnt give me guns
so im stuck with the garbage 1-5 assault automatic thing
wet meadow
I really wonder what's making every patch like half good half bad all the time
solid hinge
i mean
dice fucking saved battlefront 2
The fact that the CC challenges dont appear again after u completed them is intended or it is a bug?
so
i have respect for dice
gentle garnet
probably a bug
dense bone
@gentle garnet look at pins to see how to fix your weapon unlocks
gentle garnet
how do i check pins?
dense bone
wet meadow
It's a hidden mechanic
severe wagon
why snipers don't use flares to help airplanes detect the enemy?
autumn bane
they do
solid hinge
why
dense bone
because flares could not benefit them at that moment
i know i dont use them with the intention of helping my plane flyers
solid hinge
I think they should add the soviet union
severe wagon
i can't see tank or enemies at an airplane distance
no once in the entire match a sniper used a flare
autumn bane
thats wht happens when u play solo
autumn bane
what do u expect when playing with a team full of randoms
frozen barn
Flares are also getting shot down a lot more now. I find it highly unlikely no sniper used flares
Though I guess it depends on the map/mode
Between the flares being easier to shoot since the patch (at least as far as I've noticed) and the "You're spotted" they're getting shot a lot more
gentle garnet
lol, i think i may have to do it with each class for it to unlock everything
frozen barn
But yeah your best bet would be to play with someone who plays scout and ask them specifically to flare certain areas
gentle garnet
thats so fucking dumb xD
dense bone
celestine best mod NA
sonic rampart
brave coral
Flares do get shot down a little more often now, but I don’t think they’re all that consistent viewed from planes
dense bone
Lmao Dutch
solid hinge
dont planes get these huge ass markers when stuff is spotted?
brave coral
Idk what it is but a contested objective will be flared up but you can’t see anything from the air
solid hinge
and flares def get shot down way more often
frozen barn
They were really finicky to shoot before this update