They’ve renamed the KA-BAR to combat knife
#battlefield-legacy-titles
main grove
raw orbit
lol
ionic girder
But, I'm a smaller college student who has no degree and isn't very qualified.
main grove
Is KA-BAR copyrighted or something
frosty marlin
They need to stop thinking they know whats best for us.
raw orbit
i like marita wtf
autumn bane
i had to wait till the Pacific playlist went away to play again
ionic girder
So my feedback might not be top notch stuff.
@solid hinge Well, it was thought out with something else in mind.
raw orbit
oh i didnt play it on launch so maybe i missed that
ionic girder
Not Conquest.
frozen barn
I don't think the new maps were any better or worse than the release ones so they're good enough for me
ionic girder
It was designed to be a linear bloodbath I read.
frozen barn
As long as it's better than aerodrome I'll play it 😛
Though Aerodrome may finally be playable
ionic girder
Mainly for breakthrough and the 5v5 mode.
Breakthrough is decent, and conquest is difficult.
True.
I personally like the map, but it wasn't designed to be a perfectly balanced one.
Squad Conquest is a lot of fun on it.
mystic ore
Aerodrome is playable if you consider the hanger the entire map 😂
thorn mica
Anyone having problems on xbox waiting for the lobby to start a game?
ionic girder
I have to disagree with you there. Repetitive maps that are too symmetrical offer a different issue, and I think they've achieved a decent equilibrium in BFV with map variation and balance.
It isn't perfect, but rounds aren't usually one sided unless the team is unbalanced or one team is that much more skilled.
steady sky
uhhh why did dice make a bunch of ppl the black woman skin
ionic girder
BT on Marita, Aerodrome, and sometimes Underground are in more question.
Yes, Arras comes to mind.
frozen barn
Arras is a good boy
I always matchmade to Arras to avoid Aerodrome and I have yet to be tired of it XD
ionic girder
I think the variations change up gameplay more so than previous games though.
Squad Conquest balancing is an absolute mess though.
cough Fjell cough
I personally like the variation.
tall finch
Why does everyone hate aerodrome?
ionic girder
Different skills and tactics per map and point.
frozen barn
Aerodrome was poorly balanced
ionic girder
@tall finch Too open I hear.
frozen barn
The update made it better
unique thunder
Holy fuck there are way too many tanks on wake breakthrough
solid hinge
breakthrough aerodrome is british tank camping, conquest aerodrome is in favour of germans heavily
ionic girder
I used the trenches and side channels though to find decent cover.
But yes, cap. point balance wise was unbalanced.
frozen barn
Problem with COnquest is the fighting always happened at C, so British were always on the defensive
Plus the broken transports never spawning meant it was hard to flank
shrewd plaza
hi all
ionic girder
One extra point on one side in Conquest and extra tank power in BT.
frozen barn
Yep, spawn near E, grab a car, and drive straight down the runway
Brits have to either drive around a huge rock with their inferior UPC or drive through the trench
They did push the British vehicle spawns forward with this update I believe
Plus the Brits pre-game spawn spawned everyone at the trench, and no one at the B spawn
Germans were split
solid hinge
it's gonna get better
minor jacinth
I just dont know which SMG i should play
sleek trail
Wake island defense is so so bad
solid hinge
@solid hinge tbh I'm not entirely sure but I can confirm the stg44 will get better at least
minor jacinth
@solid hinge Gimme a SMG I should play 
dawn flame
Does PS4 pro get frame drops? I swear couple times in my last match in Pacific storm it dropped so bad
pastel lion
They even have the damage value changes and stuff
minor jacinth
My SMG struggel is real
pastel lion
The STG44 is gonna be 4 shots up to 10m then it's 5 to 30m
echo turtle
pls no
misty sonnet
@pastel lion I'm in so much pain stg 44 is my fav gun
pastel lion
Yeah it doesnt do well in ultra short range so the hotfix should help
main grove
Sturmgewehr 1-5 is actually looking really good
It’s now 5btk with even less recoil
It already has super manageable recoil
pastel lion
Yeah
main grove
It’s actually decent as a starter gun now
vestal sparrow
would it be possible to transfer BFV from PS4 to PC?
main grove
I mean it’s role is meant to behave more like a SMG like AR
midnight nimbus
holy shit
main grove
Yeah but they’ve toned it down
pastel lion
Enemy aquisition icons are gonna go away
soft storm
Oh joy
midnight nimbus
there never was passive spotting
main grove
It’s not spotting
soft storm
He’s having a mini tantrum
main grove
It’s icons that ONLY YOU can see
minor jacinth
TYP 100
MP40 or
EMP?
main grove
So that people camping in a dingy dark corridor don’t blend in
main grove
This update seems to make it less so
soft storm
I know it was only icons that you could see
soft storm
Still doesn’t take away from the fact I could see the damn icons on my screen the entire damn time
Jesus
frozen barn
The update makes it so it has a smaller cone where it activates and so you actually have to be looking at them, presumably that means for its intended purpose it should work the same
soft storm
I’m fine with that
If you’re looking at them already that’s already 90% of the thing handled
By you
coral fiber
"Player Acquisition"
soft storm
The only issue I could see is that this gets rid of hidden in plain sight hiding
Where as previously if someone “looked at you” but didn’t recognize you you could stay hidden
Better than nothing but this whole patch is still ass
frozen barn
I don't see camping as a big deal as long as there are killcams that actually work anyway
soft storm
There aren’t
That’s the biggest issue
They either outline immediately or you’re stuck not knowing
main grove
Why the fuck are people on reddit so pissed off that they were “lied” to
It’s a fucking company not your best friend
coral fiber
Cuz reddit is a circle jerk
main grove
What do you expect
soft storm
Maybe because they said one thing and did the other
And then played it off like they were listening
main grove
I don’t think it was a deliberate lie
soft storm
No
main grove
More like they didn’t really understand what they were quite doing
soft storm
More like they’re all so fucking confused they have no idea what’s happening
frozen barn
Isn't that even worse though
frozen barn
If they actually don't know what they're doing
main grove
I mean a lot of guns are now back to 4btk now
soft storm
The damage models couldn’t matter to me as long as the range at which fall off occurs isn’t too extreme
100 should def be the range at which an FG42 falls off completely
soft storm
40-50 meters should be the 6-7 range
frozen barn
As long as I can still dunk on the average player I don't particular care from a gameplay standpoint, I'm just still of the tinfoil hat angle that they purposely released a shit change and then dialed it back to pretend they listened
frozen barn
Lol
minor jacinth
anymore in our game
soft storm
No this is classic dice
They over do a change and then change it to appear like they’re listening
The plan was always to have these models
main grove
DICE in BF1 had loads of months in between updates so problems were at a minimum
frozen barn
Yeah, I mean you don't take this long to do a change like this then have a reponse to it this fast
frozen barn
Dat assignment tracking
That, you know, somehow previous battlefields had no problem with
main grove
You damaged an enemy and it felt like fucking king crimson skipped time
soft storm
I don’t think dice realizes that constantly making bad choices is a good idea
uneven hollow
It just works -Todd Howard
soft storm
This would be good from a pure business standpoint but not when there’s a community perception of your actions
uncut chasm
the bf1 stuttering on damage was amazing
soft storm
They’re playing the community like this is a market place and we’re haggling for prices
uncut chasm
once made my game freeze with 23 kills in the heavy bomber, 20sec freeze to process the 6k points
uncut chasm
hijinks I agree with you, they have overdone the 5.2 ttk because they knew everyone would complain. and then they could "listen" and fix it the way they intended it to be the first time
main grove
It’s a pretty...viable theory
main grove
I mean I’m not that mad about it as long as I can have fun with my Sturmgewher 1-5 it’s cash
5-9 BTK with even less recoil sound nice
soft storm
Don’t say passive spotting cause then people will get mad
Because that’s semantically wrong
😤
soft storm
I swear it’s very obvious what we mean
main grove
But yeah it’s actually quite likely they made the changes really drastic on purpose
soft storm
Oh definitely
frozen barn
And then they'll bring back Slurm Classic
main grove
But now it’s gonna feel even better
I know I’m falling for it
But I think this new STG 1-5 will be more fun to play with than the old one
edgy gale
soft storm
They have a history of this in all their games
solid hinge
almost all the automatics are 4btk other than the long range smgs, madsen and sturmgewehr
soft storm
Because it’s a starting weapon and dice doesn’t want starting weapons to be good
main grove
Sturmgweher trades damage for control now
solid hinge
The m1907 kills far faster than it close up, the stg44 kills faster than it close up and at a distance
soft storm
Like they said
solid hinge
Everything is controllable
soft storm
Volksstuurm has no control
It’s all wobbly all over the place
Feels like a gun made in a shed in the U.K.
main grove
Sturmgewehr 1-5 is my fav gun before and after patch anyway
I like it’s SMG like qualities
While still having 30 rounds unlike M1907
solid hinge
It wont even have the advantage of headshots because 4btk = 2 headshots while 5btk = 3 headshots
Its.. I dont get it
main grove
Stop looking at stats and instantly going “yeah it’s trash don’t bother”
brave coral
StG1-5 is already pretty nice atm, 5BTK will be good though
brave coral
And the guns like M1907, FG42, MG42 being changed is good
main grove
I use it around 15-20m
I tend to do best with guns in the ranges where they start to fall off for some reason
Probably because my aim tracking up close is horrible
brave coral
1-5 is definitely best used at about that range
main grove
Sturmgewer 1-5 shakes a bit but it barley moves
solid hinge
Stats are the best way to tell if a gun will actually be effective though
brave coral
Yeah it definitely trades vrec for hrec
solid hinge
Like you can click with a gun that sucks and do really good with it but it doesnt make it the most efficient
brave coral
I mean technically yes
main grove
I mean even being only slightly better than someone with say an STG44 will still mean you win
shy badger
I really like how they're dialing back on many of the changes
But any idea when we can expect the new patch>
main grove
I just like the feel of the Stg 1-5
soft storm
They’re not dialing back
brave coral
Yup, I like the general direction of the initial changes but they went too far imo
main grove
It’s a little spluttering bullet hose I love
soft storm
These were obviously the changes Taht were going to be there from the beginning
shy badger
Well, either way I'm happy we won't get to play with the current patch for much longer
soft storm
It benefits them to over exaggerate them so they look better when they finally “fix” them
shy badger
(hopefully)
main grove
I mean should you be mad about it?
brave coral
There it is
soft storm
They’ve done this before in past titles
solid hinge
anyone had problem with being forced to play intro in BF5?
main grove
I’m happy that they’ve had this change there in the first place
solid hinge
i play and then quit but it still forces me to play
soft storm
It’s just never been used this maliciously
brave coral
The only people who say that are people think they know the inner workings of the devs minds
main grove
Is it malicious
brave coral
Get outta here ‘malicious’ tf
main grove
It was one week
topaz dome
3.2: Do not impersonate EA, DICE or any of their subsidiary companies. Do not impersonate other users, admins, mods, public figures & bots.
soft storm
Quite obviously I’m joking
main grove
I’m just happy that these changes were there in the first place
shy badger
Now I just wish the fg42 will become good
topaz dome
quite obviously you didn't read the rules
shy badger
And not a crappy smg
soft storm
Piss off
main grove
This week of the little “decoy” TTK doesn’t matter
It made people on reddit mad
But who gives a flying fuck about reddit
brave coral
@shy badger it should do
topaz dome
say the most offensive thing in the word and then say oh it was just a joke
not an exxcuse
soft storm
Yeah cause I obviously said the most offensive thing I can
frozen barn
I think he means the patch...
soft storm
Lemme do my Sam Hyde impression
brave coral
God I know hijinks was actually doing it as a joke but anyone who does that unironically is a POS
main grove
These new damage values are what I wanted
And I don’t care if they “tricked” people with this week of the fake TTK
I’m glad it’s gone
soft storm
I’m saying they’ve over done balance changes in the past
shy badger
It's pretty shitty if they did
soft storm
They left Anakin OP in SWBF2 for 2 months
brave coral
I mean we knew from the start that they were going to make another change
brave coral
They said it in the livestream where they talked about it
shy badger
Like bf4 launch
main grove
Oh god
soft storm
I’m holding a grudge for a variety of issues
soft storm
We don’t
main grove
It was worse than anything in BFV ever
soft storm
The launch was disasterous on PC but on console it wasn’t nearly as bad
main grove
BFV has bugs but you can play a game without being sent to the dashboard
frozen barn
Well... usually
grizzled reef
Been getting this every game now kinda sus
soft storm
I still think progression being broke 9/10 times is a game breaking bug
brave coral
@grizzled reef getting what?
shy badger
Yea it is, I just don't encounter it since I already unlocked almost everything ^^
main grove
Yah I haven’t been earning any CC since the update
soft storm
The fact that I was seeing players use the worst weapons in the game because they couldn’t unlock anything is terrible
main grove
And I’ve levelled up 3 times
brave coral
The progression stuff atm is apparently due to server syncing issues
solid hinge
Hmm, knew something was up when I was levelling up
soft storm
Yeah
main grove
Fix da bloody server
brave coral
Everything will fix itself when they fix that
soft storm
I hope
shy badger
Could it also be the reason the EOR screen never shows up?
brave coral
Well
main grove
Yeah it’s exactly the reason
brave coral
That’s what causes it so it would fix it
main grove
Why it always fails to load your round stats
brave coral
Most likely what’s happening with the EOR as well, which is an annoying bug
shy badger
Annoying is putting it lightly
soft storm
You didn’t get progression in coop either
shy badger
I've only seen the EOR screen twice
soft storm
But nobody cared cause nobody played it
brave coral
Idk if you guys know FabianChills on yt but he had to go through and count how many headshots he had in his recording
main grove
I’m trying to get used to R3 to crouch and circle to melee
brave coral
It’s a shame because the new EOR screen is clean if it shows
brave coral
Ik
shy badger
I didn't even have a chance to look at it
soft storm
“Oh don’t worry my wife is beautiful”
“How come I still haven’t met her”
“Trust me she’s gorgeous”
shy badger
I still don't really know how it looks
soft storm
main grove
I’ve seen a screenshot
soft storm
It’s very nice
main grove
It looks better
brave coral
Yep
You can scroll across to see all progression, the stats screen has a better layout imo (although there was one little quibble I had I think), generally just a more streamlined design
soft storm
It’s something you’d expect from a live service game
Unfortunately the small QOL things you expect are usually broken
That’s what I’m seeing
Nobody cares if the game isn’t fun
They care once it ruins stock performance
uneven hollow
We need the Italians va French to make BFV better
main grove
I find BFV fun even in its current state
sonic rampart
Same
main grove
Though I dislike the current TTK
brave coral
Yeah I have fun with it
main grove
And prefer this newer one
sonic rampart
I think most of the community is a bit overreacting
brave coral
Ya think? It’s the Battlefield community
main grove
As in this new TTK which is bringing back 4btks for LMGs and ARs
Which is exactly what I was harping on about
brave coral
“The best community in the world... at complaining”
main grove
How SMGs are fine being mostly 5BTKs
shy badger
What are your guys opinions on wake island?
frozen barn
It ain't like people are wrong to be mad
shy badger
Attackers seem to get way too many tanks
brave coral
I think the ranged combat changes are good
frozen barn
"Hey you guys know that previous patch you hated so much we reverted? We're doing it again, but even worse!"
main grove
When does this updated TTK come out then?
brave coral
Whenever next patch is
main grove
I mean
sonic rampart
Next week prob
brave coral
They’ve not said a date
main grove
That can be anywhere between now and forever
brave coral
But yeah I can see it being next Tuesday/Thursday
sonic rampart
They are hoping to atleast
shy badger
Next week would be great
sonic rampart
But atleast not in the weekend
shy badger
I'm getting used to the passive spotting and I don't like that
main grove
Damn I don’t absolutely despise this current TTK but now that I’ve seen the new stats getting the BAR is gonna feel bad
As in playing this week
brave coral
Yeah BAR doesn’t look amazing
main grove
I want to wait until this update to seriously try out wake island
shy badger
damage over range I think
brave coral
Damage basically
dawn flame
I don't mind the ttk nerf of some weapons my only complaint is this spotting feature seriously hate it
shy badger
It's similar to the fg42 afaik
solid hinge
When are they gonna release the new update?
brave coral
It’s nowhere near as bad as FG tbf
main grove
BAR being 4-9 won’t be that bad
brave coral
Like 6-9 with fast RoF, 6-6 with slow
solid hinge
This gotta be the worst update ever. I can hardly call it a fucking update.
main grove
That’s the current TTK though
brave coral
It needs 5BTK minimum imo though
solid hinge
My ass it isn’t
main grove
What’s the fast RPM
brave coral
Slow it’s a weaker Madsen
shy badger
1200 for the mg42 probably
brave coral
720 or 770 I think? Don’t remember
main grove
Hmm
brave coral
It’s versatile but the minimum needs to be lower
main grove
My stats seem fair for it
brave coral
I mean it fits in with the current balance, just the current balance is harsh on LMGs
Yeah I like the sound of your damage stats @main grove
silver tide
This is the best patch ever
brave coral
20 mag LMGs then
uncut chasm
why would a higher rp have more bullets to kill on the same gun still shooting the same ammo
silver tide
I dont die that much
soft storm
Atleast now there’s purpose of using it
uncut chasm
make the recoil higher so high rpm is close range and slow rpm longrange, with the mode switch kinda long so you need to be tacktical
soft storm
That was the idea
brave coral
It’s a game lol
soft storm
They removed it when the TTK changes happened
brave coral
The MG42 and the Kar 98 fire the same cartridge
soft storm
Same thing happened in BF1, there was no point because the high ROF mode had practically the same recoil
uncut chasm
but the mg42 and kar98 are 2 completly different platforms
brave coral
But they fire the same cartridge? They should deal the same damage, surely?
uncut chasm
no
brave coral
I mean the ZK has two different damage stats now, depending if you take the rpm upgrade or ammo capacity
uncut chasm
there is a huge difference between a 45caliber bullet shot from a pistol and smg
main grove
It’s funny how if you sort by “controversial” on Reddit you get some people with actual sense
shy badger
Regardless you would drop instantly by either gun
uncut chasm
I dont take reddit serious, its more like facebook then ppl that know what they talk about
shy badger
Thing is, bf isn't realistic and if this change helps balance the ROF selector then I'm fine with it
soft storm
It makes sense on the current balance
shy badger
It still is
soft storm
It won’t if this gets taken away
coral fiber
.45 ACP pistol round or a 7.92mm×52 Mauser round
Apparently are similar to DICE's POV
uncut chasm
recoil should indeed balance not suddenly change the damage, they remove the skill with that
shy badger
hitrate as in bullet deviation?
midnight nimbus
don't need damage based balance, or not much anyways
the previous dmg models were fine
main grove
Rather than go for every gun doing the same damage with massive recoil differences vs every gun doing the same recoil with massive damage differences
midnight nimbus
^
main grove
You could make a slow heavy high damage high recoil gun
midnight nimbus
you just get really homogenous guns with heavy damage model balancing
main grove
Or a slow low damage low recoil gun
midnight nimbus
or shitty balance
or both!
caliber has been treated with consistency since BF3
main grove
Or a slow low damage low zero recoil gun
dense bone
imagine you could have different ways to balance and its preference more than an universal "better"
uncut chasm
or like cod? rapid fire 0 recoil high bullet damage
main grove
I’m not a fan of every single automatic having the exact same damage
uncut chasm
just joking guys
main grove
But I’m also not a fan of having every single automatic having the same zero recoil
dense bone
theres been a few games that are praised for drastically different weapons for different aspects but them being balanced
main grove
I just think they can use more of their tweaking tools at their disposal to balance guns
midnight nimbus
almost like what we had before worked well 🤔
coral fiber
munch
silver tide
Gotta appeal to the casuals
main grove
Like ok
solid hinge
why implement something new that requires more effort to work towards
dense bone
@solid hinge because devs wanted to make the game this way?
uncut chasm
I do like the metachange with this patch and pll getting pushed out their comfort zone
dense bone
does it have to have a deeper meaning than that?
main grove
But much lighter recoil
solid hinge
yes!
because they're supposed to be the ones who dont mess up
they get paid for it
dense bone
i would assume they found this as a way to balance bolts and long range weapons while defining weapons ranges. have more intention gun decisions besides "pick anything"
main grove
I’m just saying they could use all their tools at their disposal to make truly varied guns
Rather than making every gun share one stat that is the same
Like before with damage
dense bone
PERSONALLY i think they are going to use this style of weapon design for its next game and are testing it on bfv since its already been out for a year
midnight nimbus
bc you compress almost every gun's effective range within like 0-30m
main grove
What are you on about less defined ranges
All the godamn guns do the same damage
dense bone
theres easily more defined ranges, and less effective guns come from balance that should come with time
epic
merry carbon
holy moly, that new BAR is amazing
midnight nimbus
rn, gun ranges are less defined
merry carbon
clearly best LMG rn
uncut chasm
or make a gun good at close range but bad at long, and some guns underaverge but allround preforming well
main grove
At every distance
midnight nimbus
no
main grove
Because theoretical TTK is aimbot
midnight nimbus
because spread and recoil exist
and are designed as such
designers have quite literally said so as well
dense bone
you just repeating them being what you want them to be doesnt mean its true
regal sapphire
People are debating Kht on gun balance? lmao
dense bone
kht knows stats, his conclusions and game theories are not undeniable
midnight nimbus
not my conclusions I'm citing
dense bone
especially in a game he hasnt played since 5.2 and when he prefers to vehicle kd farm
main grove
But he seems to be only existing in this ‘stat world’ with no room for any outside factors
dense bone
^
main grove
Meaning any gun that isn’t best gun
solid hinge
"hey guys what if we make everything over 600rpm take more than 4btk? this seems like a great idea that no one will possibly disagree with ever"
main grove
Is pure dog shit
solid hinge
kht has made cases for 80% of guns pre-5.2 to be used
dense bone
because most guns had similar stats just a niche they were better at
lazy balancing design
solid hinge
he can be abrasive (
) but there weren't clearly defined best guns before
dense bone
suomi which was a short range smg monster was still decent up for a fairly long range
solid hinge
aside from semis
lost pilot
still cant connect on pc. anyone else having issues?
main grove
I’m not sure if damage being the same across all autos
Is good balance
Even with spread and recoil difference
solid hinge
they were starting to change that with madsen and type 100
solid hinge
there's still barely any gadget variety as well
that's on them for being slow at adding stuff
main grove
Say Tommy has 4btk
shy badger
ayla really wants gadgets
main grove
And Suomi has 5
lost pilot
sounds like ppl are upset weapons have damage drop off now. just my observation from reading comments on reddit and social media
dense bone
@lost pilot people are upset they have to make a gun decision now
lost pilot
i love it
solid hinge
That would result in one gun being easier to use and the other being considered "better" most likely
lost pilot
no more sniping assault class?
dense bone
you cant pick basically any weapon and be fine in most situations
main grove
That it wasn’t in practice
solid hinge
type 100 was basically the tommy but with weaker damage and lower recoil
lost pilot
now it just depends on the weapon and situation
dense bone
^
lost pilot
which is what i wanted them to do
dense bone
which means players have to think
lost pilot
derrrr
main grove
Do people consider ease of use when they talk about guns being “better”
dense bone
yup
solid hinge
being easy to use doesnt mean the gun is good beyond being easy to use
lost pilot
why think when u can ree that you cant use one gun and ruin ppl all the time
main grove
Because ease of use can make guns like STEN and MP40 do amazing despite their on paper suckyness
solid hinge
will they ever add weapon pickups to other maps
shy badger
Players who are worse will probably consider the easier guns as 'good'
solid hinge
anyone can do good with anything, its usually when guns go up against each other that they're considered good or not I think
shy badger
Even if on paper the right player can make harder guns way better
main grove
It’s not to common you have a direct TTK battle anyway with people
solid hinge
im irritated at the range changes in a game where the maps are literally hundreds of meters in size and transports are few and far between
lost pilot
bruh i only play support and i get by
solid hinge
direct battles can come up a lot
regal sapphire
Dude, this patch introduced god guns, BF5 didn't have any
All were properly balanced, NOW you need only one gun to do good
dense bone
i played with fg42 and did great, yes im above average, but im also not an idiot and counteractively going against the devs design intentions with the guns use
solid hinge
will they add battle pickups to all maps or
even if you get a flank on 3 dudes the last one might turn round by the time you've killed the first two and then you gotta outdamage them
shy badger
They weren't all balanced
dense bone
@regal sapphire 1 year of live balancing vs 1 week
solid hinge
my beef with the super close range stuff is that it's not feasible to just only use stuff close up
shy badger
Pre 5.2 balance wasn't perfect at all
dense bone
why do you expect a week to match a year?
solid hinge
you'll get forced into different engagement ranges
frozen barn
You keep sucking on that argument as if this is a new game.
regal sapphire
I expect them to not fuck with the TTK
frozen barn
This new TTK doesn't exist in its own little nutshell
dense bone
@frozen barn thats why i clarify LIVE
solid hinge
the game didnt have obviously bad balancing like this on release, so theres no excuse for the first week of live balancing to be this bad
they managed it the first time round
dense bone
pre 5.2 didnt exist in its own little nutshell either
dense bone
@solid hinge wasnt stg and ke7 god tier on release?
soft storm
This just seems like a unique way to balance stuff that’s all it’s doing is being unique
main grove
Guns were too deadly at range
solid hinge
stg was good in beta, I dont think it chunked on release
ke7 was good but overblown in complaints
main grove
So you got nuked by someone 50m away with a Lewis or STG44
solid hinge
will they add the battle pickups from the pacific into the other maps
dense bone
at launch ke7 was good, medic and recon were shit gun balance in general...
main grove
Probably not
frozen barn
No, something tells me we aren't going to see a katana on other maps 😛
dense bone
i dont see how this was better
solid hinge
people got irritated by getting rekt by proning 635rpm lmgs when they had the piddly sten
main grove
Medic SMGs were so bad at launch
lost pilot
assault would nuke you regardless of weapon so im surious to see if they still can
solid hinge
smgs were worse for a while from release but that's only one class
i want to run around with an katana on rotterdam
soft storm
Assault was just balanced improperly
lost pilot
samw
dense bone
recon was bad too other than slrs
soft storm
There wasn’t a need for assault to have AR’s and rifles
dense bone
which they didnt even have 1906 at launch
solid hinge
the bolts are still shit
dense bone
exactly
main grove
Assault was way too powerful with its SAR recoil
soft storm
Medic should’ve had carbines and rifles
solid hinge
the pistol carbines just exist now
soft storm
TBH
dense bone
so launch bfv wasnt good balance
solid hinge
this balancing hasnt even made bolts better
main grove
Pistol carbines were too good I say
dense bone
a whole class and half a class were just bad
main grove
They needed a nerf
solid hinge
they're just vaguely more relevant
lost pilot
they sais they were not touching recon
regal sapphire
Launch BF5 wasn't good balance, Pre 5.2 was
Because they made small changes to improve the gun play
main grove
I think they should have been a longer range 4btk
dense bone
yes pre 5.2 had a year of live balancing and easy balancing design
solid hinge
Pistol carbines were essentially the g1-5 with more damage drop, less recoil and better hipfire
soft storm
They have a community willing to test it
regal sapphire
Why are the americans ATTACKING on Wake island?
frozen barn
And again, post 5.2 is not it's own thing where they get to start to balance the game all over. They make those changes based off a year of data
dense bone
cte would be nice but im sure some regions would get fucked
solid hinge
@regal sapphire cause they didnt have time to make Japanese battleships
frozen barn
They didn't just shit out some numbers and then rebalance them in a week
regal sapphire
lmao
solid hinge
🥴
soft storm
Hell they could’ve used the EA play testers thing
dense bone
@frozen barn a year of data that doesnt have the same weapon design for balance?
regal sapphire
Seriously???
solid hinge
my money is on it
regal sapphire
Might aswell make D-Day be a German invasion then
solid hinge
easier to reuse american ships
dense bone
they arent balancing for the same paramters
soft storm
Lmao
solid hinge
Heh
main grove
People are just way too clingy to old TTK I feel
I don’t care if it was balanced
soft storm
I dislike how they said they saw KPM go up in the same patch that added increased target acquisition changes
dense bone
@frozen barn thats like saying you should balance based on another game
soft storm
Like yeah of course
main grove
Every gun did the same Fucking damage
native owl
ah
soft storm
You’re gonna kill me when you have red dots on the screen
native owl
back to te good old name
regal sapphire
Or the one I'm using
dense bone
meme kids will love it
main grove
So um
You actually planning on playing BFV with a name like that
Because that name implies that you’ve uninstalled
native owl
no, ps4
main grove
So why are you still here
native owl
its better there
digital seal
native owl
at least there's no hacks
dense bone
such a chad response
native owl
and everybody has shitty aim
solid hinge
@soft storm also when the weekly mode was frontlines
native owl
so its less effected
soft storm
Exactly
native owl
but still i would prefer before 5.2
solid hinge
frontlines has all the spawn points close to the single objective
you fight basically the entire match
that's why I like it so much
soft storm
Remove the target acquisition changes
And the KPM probably lowers
I guarantee i wouldn’t be doing so well mag dumping Lewis guns when I don’t have name tags and dots popping up
dense bone
"its a free country" doesnt negate stupidity
regal sapphire
Jesus
solid hinge
they might have included vehicles in that too
regal sapphire
Calm down
soft storm
Ugh
regal sapphire
He can be here if he wants to
regal sapphire
Just saying "Why are you here then" is very ignorant
soft storm
As always dice is displaying data that is biased by other decisions they made
To show they’re “right”
solid hinge
they didn't give enough context around it to be sure
solid hinge
its a pain
frozen barn
Dishonor on your cow
native owl
fuck me plaything this shitty game
soft storm
It’s very dishonest
soft storm
I’m surprised nobody said something about that’s
native owl
cause fuck my life
main grove
Guys fuck BF so much
soft storm
Show the data where it’s without spotting changes or tank changes
terse lintel
Type 100:
Improved damage model from 5-12 to 5-10 BTK 
solid hinge
everything has 10btk minimum now
main grove
Still gonna stick around though to let you all know how much I hate BF guys
solid hinge
which will make such a difference
main grove
Give reddit gold pls
regal sapphire
Or just give feedback?
frozen barn
I mean have you ever fullstop quit a game community over one update even if you thought the update was stupid?
solid hinge
EDIT 1: haha thanks for the platinum guys :P cant believe I wasnt downvoted for this
soft storm
My feedback is that their testing process is being contaminated by outside factors
solid hinge
@frozen barn battlefront 2
soft storm
There was no control
grizzled reef
Wake Island breakthroughs is bogus enemy team has like 6 tanks wtf
icy sluice
"Unpopular Opinion: (something literally everyone is saying on the sub)"
gets upvoted and gold
"Wow, didn't expect this!"
solid hinge
tfw you release a map covered in tanks the same update you break anti tank tools
frozen barn
You'd think they'd have learned breakthrough tank balance from the previous 2 pacific maps
dense bone
imagine going to discord user chat to give feedback xD
especially when said feedback is simply "fuck 5.2"
native owl
💯
frozen barn
Hottake
native owl
dont say it
main grove
I still can HAVE fun
severe wagon
why matches don't star even though we got a ton of people in the game?
native owl
ok that is a bit true
frozen barn
But you can ALSO have fun while saying fuck 5.2
main grove
And plus the new damage we're getting
dense bone
less fun doesnt mean no fun
main grove
Looks great imo
native owl
maybe becaue im on console
regal sapphire
Why the fuck is there a Hotel in Wake Island
solid hinge
@severe wagon new bug
main grove
Like TTK 0.33 as KHT120 would call it
solid hinge
another couple of bugs to add to the list
main grove
Looks really good to me
severe wagon
oh that is bs
solid hinge
matches dont start unless they're FULL and people stop respawning on wake sometimes
dense bone
more MAP
unique thunder
Damn I want frontlines back. Wake is ass.
dense bone
or maps?
frozen barn
Just one
solid hinge
more MAB
severe wagon
and the fetch errors is not unlocking my skin unlocks
solid hinge
That's a bug too
solid hinge
This patch added a lot of bugs
dense bone
idk if hes saying he wants a certain map bigger, or typoed asking for more maps
severe wagon
5.2 sucks
solid hinge
so much for bugs not happening again
native owl
no assignments too
frozen barn
My assignments have been working fine
frozen barn
Oh you mean like getting the assignments
spare citrus
are these discord updates almost every day legit?
severe wagon
getting the urban blue and predator skins
tacit kelp
OMG. I need to download 8 GB, my wooden internet ]
frozen barn
Finally got better internet this year, it's great
Used to need to leave my Xbox on all night to download stuff
tacit kelp
I download this game since morning 😦
frozen barn
oof
regal sapphire
Breakthrough on Wake is just Dumb
severe wagon
why the US attacking wake island though?
tacit kelp
we are beta-testers, its CTE, live
severe wagon
wans't the US defending it?
frozen barn
Because they don't have the resources to make a japanese boat
regal sapphire
Because DICE coudn't be bothered to make Japanese ships @severe wagon
So they re-used assets
tacit kelp
so sad
dense bone
@solid hinge i thought it was legit
severe wagon
unless its place holder
dense bone
and was confused on what you wanted
severe wagon
but still dumb
solid hinge
I'm disappointed with wake island breakthrough as well
balmy steeple
German paras drop from c47’s as well, I don’t see how the Japanese can’t use American ships lol
solid hinge
The only thing i like from it is the pre end of round music
main grove
Pacific storm is my fav map in BFV
frozen barn
I always expect post-launch maps to be ass
severe wagon
Iwo Jima was amazing
solid hinge
Do the japanese really control all of the objectives when playing conquest? Lol
severe wagon
someone screw up
frozen barn
Dice really likes to pretend they can still make conquest assault a thing
solid hinge
im crying
severe wagon
they better bring back some developers they took from Battlefront 2 back to BFV
tacit kelp
@severe wagon its too late
solid hinge
i dont think they're working on battlefront 2 either
solid hinge
common thing people said during battlefront 2 was that all the devs were working on battlefield 5
soft storm
Yeah dice manipulated the data
soft storm
There’s no way they kept the KPM up and increased it
solid hinge
wake island best map 💝
soft storm
Dice either contaminated the data or manipulated it to state that KPM went up
solid hinge
tfw the horseshoe base doesnt have base spawns at either side of the horseshoe
would have been entertaining
sonic rampart
KPM went up because of tankers 
lilac umbra
new maps are designed by great team ONLY IF YOU WOULNT MESS IT WITH TANKS
soft storm
If there were no tank, gadget or spotting changes I bet the KPM would’ve lowered
soft storm
God dammit they’re probably thinking they kept the game lethal still
sonic rampart
Bf5 > bf1
stoic breach
Whats the new map like
sonic rampart
But after these changes im like
stoic breach
I didnt watch the trailer
solid hinge
Bad
sonic rampart
lilac umbra
bf1 is better every way
sonic rampart
No
uneven hollow
When ww1 was better than ww2
severe wagon
bf1 had more than bf5 even on launch
sonic rampart
Bf1 had bullet sponges lmao
soft storm
BF1 has fun vehicles
stoic breach
Not after TTK2.0
regal sapphire
I honestly can't enjoy Wake island
stoic breach
Bullet sponges left the game
soft storm
After TTK 2 it got better
sonic rampart
So the reason wht bf1 was better is that it had 1 more map at launch or something?
stoic breach
It also had good maps at launch
severe wagon
goods maps, neat ideas
stoic breach
Other than the desert maps
severe wagon
better operations
uneven hollow
But like we are getting 3 more chapters for the pacific theater right?
severe wagon
even those operation presentations
sonic rampart
Bf1 wasnt really that good really
uneven hollow
Meaning 6 more maps right
sonic rampart
Operations were the only good thing
uneven hollow
True
severe wagon
even the war stories were better
regal sapphire
Tanks are just not fun to play against
sonic rampart
Well nobody plays battlefield for the campaign
eternal wind
I like bf1 fine, it was a cool setting
sonic rampart
Bf1 was a game for casual players
eternal wind
the grenade spam was real tho
stoic breach
BFV was designed to have more casual gunplay tho
severe wagon
i like the bf3 campaing
solid hinge
HmmM
uneven hollow
Bf1 had more explosions
stoic breach
So you cant even say BF1 was "for casual players" as an argument for why its bad
severe wagon
bf3 art style was superb
sonic rampart
Im not saying its bad
stoic breach
Sorry, "wasnt that good"
sonic rampart
Quote me on where I said the game was bad
uneven hollow
We still need 5 players squads in bfv
sonic rampart
Im just saying that looking back at bf1, BfV was better
sonic rampart
Bf1 had content dropped with a lot of time between it
uneven hollow
Might be true but make it 6 right
severe wagon
bf1 didn't have character costumazation
frozen barn
If we get 5 player squads then they need to change the player numbers so its divisible by 5
severe wagon
which i think was a mistake in bfv, graphis took a hit
frozen barn
Not that people fill full squads anyway but its at least more likely that way
tribal cairn
Bad Company had the best campaigns by far
night glade
graphics took a hit because people complained about visibility
uneven hollow
Alright but 6 player squads would be better off than 5 right t
sonic rampart
Also BfV maps are nicer compared to bf1 maps
severe wagon
i dunno
bf1 maps had more personality
bfv just feels like regular empty maps
except
the Iwo Jima map
sonic rampart
I feel like its the other way around
severe wagon
now that's a map
stoic breach
Devastation and Arras are still probably the best maps in BFV
sonic rampart
^
severe wagon
I like Aerodrome
stoic breach
Devastion you can play like a 3 lane, and its a cross layout for the flags, so every direction you travel can be relevant
sonic rampart
Ye
severe wagon
Twisted steel is not my favorite map,
sonic rampart
And the cathedral is the center
severe wagon
i like that one as well
stoic breach
Arras is a good medium-map so it has all the engagement ranges you could want without the size of the map slowing the game down
frozen barn
I wish the cathedral roof was more open for easier v1 😛
stoic breach
Yeah Devastation would be a good map in BF1
regal sapphire
Fucking seriously
sonic rampart
But its not really usefull
frozen barn
As it stands the A side has a way better V1 angle since it lands by the pews
regal sapphire
People are just sitting in the back with tanks shelling people from miles away now
This is ridiculous
frozen barn
E side you have to bomb like the crypt
stoic breach
Cause there was already a really good cross flag layout map in BF1, which was Prise de Tahure
sonic rampart
Prise de Tahure?
stoic breach
Yeah, the french night city one
sonic rampart
Oh
severe wagon
I miss those world index info of every weapon, map, class etc in bf1
wonder why they didn't do that for bfv
night glade
time
sonic rampart
They are supposed to be hard lol
stoic breach
Alot of th assignments promote really stupid gameplay though
sonic rampart
True
stoic breach
Like FG42 bipod assignments
solid hinge
Does anyone know when they are going to fix the couldnt fetch your report bug? Cause ive lost SO MUCH money cause of that one stupid bug
stoic breach
Bolt action bipod assignments
sonic rampart
Or headshot semi
stoic breach
SLR headshots yeah
stoic breach
When the weapon isnt designed for headshots
sonic rampart
Ye
soft storm
Let’s just ignore vehicles entirely
sonic rampart
Or smgs beyond 30m
severe wagon
there's a hot fix update coming
frozen barn
I like how pistol carbines have a hipfire assignment then a <10m one
severe wagon
i still find that stupid
frozen barn
Like cool time to hipfire more
sonic rampart
Dont really care about them not having codex
sonic rampart
Since its not important at all
soft storm
The flavor text isn’t even right
stoic breach
The flavour text for the assignments was interesting
It wasnt bad, it just didnt have much to do with the weapon itself
soft storm
It’s not even correct in some spots
Exactly
It’s kinda embarrassing
It’s kinda weird how BF1 had amazing flavor text that people spent time writing and players spent time unlocking
stoic breach
Oh yea true lol