battlefield-legacy-titles

[main grove]

Than one big panzerfaust

[solid hinge]

I liked the idea of panzerfaust being anti tank with piat being anti infantry

which would seemingly make sense with the limited amount of launchers we have

panzerfaust anti tank, piat anti vehicle, fliegerfaust anti air

[main grove]

Bazooka would have been good it it was low damage very fast velocty high range and reloadable

With a high crit multiplier

[solid hinge]

but currently piat is anti everything and panzerfaust is anti actually being effective

[shy badger]

xD

[main grove]

PIAT shouldn't be changed

Panzetfaust should get a re work

Not a buff

A re-fucking work

[solid hinge]

One pump chump weapons are usually either ludicrously good or shit

[main grove]

Make it good

Better to be good than to be shit

[solid hinge]

Piat would be far more consistent than the panzerfaust and still has the anti infantry + destroying fortification angle

and panzerfaust would effectively be borked if all you needed to reload was an ammo crate or something

[main grove]

That's why I said before

It would be fucked because of attrition

[solid hinge]

Yeah

[main grove]

Delet attrition pls

Bring back BF1 cooldowns

Attrition ruins so many gadget balancing options

[solid hinge]

theres barely even enough gadgets to balance

tfw medic literally has smoke or mine

[main grove]

That's thanks to WW2 limitations

Which is why I agree with you

That the next BF

[solid hinge]

Bf1 had more

[main grove]

Should be future

[solid hinge]

No way should ww1 have more options than ww2

[raw orbit]

muh [time period] bad

[main grove]

Way more gadget excuses

[solid hinge]

I do love the future though

If you have a cool idea for a mechanic you can just make it happen

[main grove]

BF1 medic gadgets felt like a lot because

Syringe was a gadget

[raw orbit]

yall be saying that now but when battlefield 2169 has been out for a year everyone gonna be begging to go back to ww2

[main grove]

Which some people find good

Others bad

[shy badger]

Future bf can be great

[main grove]

And rifle grenade had different ammo

[solid hinge]

They had more launcher options too

[main grove]

HE

FRG

[solid hinge]

Current gadgets suck and are shared between too many classes

[main grove]

SMK

AP MINES

EVERYWHERE

WHY DOES MEDIC GET THEM

[solid hinge]

what if we gave three classes mines

[main grove]

AND NOT A LAUNCHER

Recon yeah

[solid hinge]

what if we gave assault AT mines

[main grove]

Support sort of understandable if you're an MG nest

But medic

Why?

[solid hinge]

honestly I'd argue only support should have mines in an appropriate future where all the classes have actual gadgets

[main grove]

Can I get uhhh

EMP

[raw orbit]

smokes synergize so well with medic role
i say we give medic only smokes

[solid hinge]

They basically did that already

[raw orbit]

lol

[main grove]

Medic has too many smokes tbh

[raw orbit]

true

[main grove]

5 big ass smoke clouds from one dude

[solid hinge]

only time you really take AP mines on medic is like, underground or something

[main grove]

One fully stocked medic is better than smoke artillery

[raw orbit]

nah bro on underground i gotta smoke those tunnels and make my entire team useless for 2 minutes

[solid hinge]

Smoke artillery is pretty shit tbh

[main grove]

It dissipates after 5 seconds

[solid hinge]

I want an actual good option for medic

at least give me the trombone launcher as a gadget or something

or the AT pistol

let me break fortifications PLEASE

[dense bone]

i love smoke

[main grove]

We're still waiting on the magnet mine

[dense bone]

thats how i navigate map to get to effective range

[main grove]

BF1's limpet charge

Tell you what

[solid hinge]

I like smoke but some locations smoke is unnecessary

[main grove]

Give medic the AT pistol

And give support the Magnet mine

[solid hinge]

but then the only other option is fuckin AP mines

[dense bone]

smoke is super necessary

[silver tide]

You mean toilet plunger?

[main grove]

AT pistol is terrible anyway for AT

so makes sense for medic to have it

As a personal tank tickler

Like BF1 medics HE grenade

[solid hinge]

On underground you generally dont want too much smoke

[scenic beacon]

smoke the entire tunnel and have a bayonet war

[solid hinge]

Yeah if bf1 medics get HE launcher give it to bfv

[main grove]

HE was not good against infy In bf1 wasn't it

It was near instant

But not a one shot

[solid hinge]

Frag had much better splash

[main grove]

While frag took longer

But could OHK

Crossbow launcher for support

oof

BF1 had dumb bullshit like that

Why not BFV

[solid hinge]

EXACTLY

Where's the STUPID options

Half of the sandbox feel of battlefield is having shit gadget choices

[main grove]

We were meant to get a camera Pidgeon for recon in BF1 as well

[brave coral]

Was that like a drone with spotting?

[solid hinge]

Bf4 had a bunch of crappy gadgets, bf1 had a bunch of crappy gadgets, bfv doesnt even have a bunch of good gadgets let along shit ones

[main grove]

Pretty much

BF1 gadgets weren't crappy

[brave coral]

Yeah bfv should have more gadgets

[main grove]

Except maybe sniper shield and decoy

But every gadget did well

[brave coral]

Both useful and semi useful semi meme ones

[solid hinge]

I mean stuff like the gimmicky things like crossbow launcher or sniper shield

[main grove]

Sniper decoy in BFV is actually ok

[solid hinge]

Stuff that you wouldn't really normally pick but it's fun to use

Or see someone else using

[main grove]

It looks convicning from far away and it send out a flare

[raw orbit]

whos dissing the crossbow launcher

[solid hinge]

me

[raw orbit]

1v1 me crossbows only

[brave coral]

I mean I often end up shooting decoys from quite close range lmao

[main grove]

With it you can have two spotting gadget for recon

[scenic beacon]

1v1 dud club only

[solid hinge]

Katana is the kind of crazy shit I'm talkin about

[main grove]

1v1 liberator only

[solid hinge]

Running around shanking people

[main grove]

NO I WANT A LIBERATOR ONLY FRONTLINES

[brave coral]

It gets spotted and I see the Recon icon, i shoot

SMLE HE launcher could be pretty cool though for Medic

The tank tickler

[main grove]

I think I'd prefer AT pistol

With different ammo

So AT smoke pistol

Because it reloads a lot faster

[brave coral]

Idk

[solid hinge]

Anything for medic that allows them to break fortifications

[brave coral]

Tbh Medic just needs some sort of gadget that can break fortifications

Lol

I think HE launcher could be made with that in mind

[solid hinge]

There's two classes that cant do anything to fortifications in a game where support can build a sandbag wall in one click

[brave coral]

Yep

[solid hinge]

And support can only damage them if you take AT pistol

[brave coral]

Don’t get me wrong, I like fortifications

[main grove]

Should recon get dynamite like in BF4

I dunno

[brave coral]

But we need to be able to break them as all classes

[main grove]

It sound good

But the spot dynamite spam would be real

[solid hinge]

I love fortifications but the buff to build speed has made it more necessary to have breaking tools

[brave coral]

Yes

And they should have a cooldown after being destroyed

Not long, just like 15 seconds or something

[scenic beacon]

@solid hinge wrong ever heard of hucking 3 AT mines at a wall and killing half the server including yourself?

[raw orbit]

give medic a bonesaw that can cut through fortifications humungous brain

[brave coral]

On Underground Grind I was trying to take out this Support at the bottom of the stairs down from the German side as Assault

[main grove]

Give medic the mini flamethrower

The Einstoss

[scenic beacon]

give medic a pocket soldier or demo

[brave coral]

Knew he had a shotgun but he was just hiding behind a few sandbags, couldn’t kill him fast enough before he rebuilt

[icy sluice]

tmw someone panzerfausts the sandbags that were right in front of you so you just build them right back up faster than they can kill you

[brave coral]

I kinda think Support or maybe even Recon should get the Einstoss

Exactly my point

[scenic beacon]

@icy sluice works stupidly well on underground as support

[main grove]

Medic needs something to break fortifications though

I’d say just port over the AT pistol

[brave coral]

Idk

[main grove]

It’s not high damage anyway

[scenic beacon]

having a full support team dedicated to walling the enemy team in would be TERRYFYING

[main grove]

It’s just something to bust a fortification if needed

[solid hinge]

Implying panzerfaust breaks fortifications in the first place

[brave coral]

Reddit would be like ‘DICE is too lazy to make new gadgets’

[main grove]

Tbh panzerfaust is HEAT

Which doesn’t do anything but make a hole

[solid hinge]

tfw panzerfaust is HEAT but does less damage to tanks than piat

[main grove]

Yeah that’s why I’m all for the one shot wonder faust

[brave coral]

PIAT is the superior anti infy and anti fort gadget for Assault

[main grove]

But attrition ruins that idea

[brave coral]

They need to change the Assault launcher balance up

[main grove]

Of carrying one Panzerfaust that does a lot of damage

As a fire and forget thing that isn’t spammed

[brave coral]

I’m all for PIAT being good against buildings and stuff, just it shouldn’t have every advantage over the Panzerfaust

[main grove]

PIATs main benefit

[brave coral]

PF should be more effective against tanks

[main grove]

Should be the fact that it’s reloadable

If they add a bazooka say

It should be low damage but long range

With like 5 rockets or something

[scenic beacon]

just add something at this point lol

[main grove]

With a big crit multiplier

[brave coral]

Instead it has consistent, good damage, splash, faster reload, and can destroy buildings and forts

Only thing it doesn’t have is range and velocity

[main grove]

Maybe they could add panzerschreck as not a different launcher skin

But actually slightly different stats

[icy sluice]

tmw you see that the 'spotting' was stronger in 1942 when you're taking images with the hud off

[main grove]

Being higher damage but longer reload

[brave coral]

Tbh I’d say Bazooka could have good damage and good range, but maybe less ammo?

[main grove]

Bazooka would have less splash than PIAT

[low totem]

less ammo?

than what

[main grove]

I think it should be weaker but more ammo

[brave coral]

Or yeah have both the M1 and Panzerschreck and have one at one end of the spectrum one at the other

[main grove]

Bazooka would be faster rocket and faster reload

[idle breach]

how about

bazooka being

[main grove]

Panzerscheck would be slower but more damaging

[idle breach]

more powerful, more accurate, more faster reload

BUT COMES WITH REAR BLAST

[brave coral]

Panzerfaust is more noticeable for backblast tbh

[idle breach]

yeah but

[main grove]

Really

[brave coral]

It’s why they have the shield attached to the barrel

[main grove]

I thought it didn’t have any backblast

[idle breach]

I'd like to have something comes with ingame rear blast

like

[main grove]

Oh you mean schreck

[brave coral]

That’s not for protection against bullets

[idle breach]

if you have something obstruct you like 20m you DIE

[main grove]

Not Faust

[idle breach]

yeah the shield is just for cosmetic reason

[main grove]

Panzerfaust launched more like a GL

It had a rocket but not as powerful as bazooka

Like you had to be decently close

Not as close as PIAT

Irl PIAT you had to be suicidally close

[lilac umbra]

theres 32 players in breakthru can someone explain how same guy can find you no matter how far you go

[brave coral]

They couldn’t get the timing right so that the rocket would stop firing before it left the tube so they originally had big suits then changed to the shield (and gloves I think)

Yep PIAT had an effective range of like. <75m I think

At max

[main grove]

I’m sure the PIAT was more used as a mortar though

[craggy estuary]

i get the feeling the survey this month is gonna be super negative

[idle breach]

newer version of rockets comes with different propellant, with much less rear blast so

shield was kinda enough

[brave coral]

Because it’s essentially a spring loaded projectile launcher

[craggy estuary]

@main grove it is a mortar. its a small version of the Churchill AVRE gun

[idle breach]

yeah it's a mortar

[main grove]

PIAT was the stealthiest though

Thanks to no blast

[brave coral]

Yeah it was very quiet

[craggy estuary]

more specifically a spigot mortar

just a big spring

[brave coral]

Or relative to other launchers

[main grove]

Don’t know why BFV gives it a tracer

As if it’s burning up

[brave coral]

Speaking of mortars

[solid hinge]

springaling

[brave coral]

Give knee mortar

[idle breach]

https://farm3.static.flickr.com/2478/3707824920_66647e6222_b.jpg

PIATs found in abandoned Iraqi arsenal

[brave coral]

You can see the spring from one

It’s a big spring

[idle breach]

lol

that's like fuckin

some semi truck suspension shit

[brave coral]

Yup it’s phat

But still it’s only a spring

[idle breach]

oh no the spring was for

[main grove]

BF has never used recoilless rifles haven’t they

[idle breach]

reloading

[brave coral]

It couldn’t really launch a relatively small projectile that far

[idle breach]

yeah

[main grove]

Essentially a shoulder mounted AT gun

Not rocket

AT solid projectile

[idle breach]

spring is for helping reload and reduce the recoil

[low totem]

you could probably throw the piats payload

and it would be about as effective

[main grove]

Most launcher use HEAT because with HEAT it doesn’t matter about getting the projectile to a fast velocity

[low totem]

assuming you hit

[scenic beacon]

but wouldn't have the thmmmmp

[main grove]

It could be travelling at 0mph

And it’ll still get through

That’s what HEAT mines are

[idle breach]

piat

what a shame

[brave coral]

Yep it just blasts a big ol hole in the armour

[idle breach]

if it was HESH, it would be the ultimate brit-esque weapon of all time

[scenic beacon]

don't stop with just throwing the projectile... Throw the damn piat too while you're at it

get something better

[main grove]

HESH is great

[brave coral]

But as it’s a shaped charge it had to hit at quite a small angle

[main grove]

It uses the tanks own armour against its crew

[brave coral]

That’s brutal

[soft storm]

A LETTER TO THE COMMUNITY:
Get dunked on nerds

[idle breach]

https://imgur.com/gallery/mkl1QIE/comment/1394057999

[scenic beacon]

woah

[main grove]

The only issue with HEAT

is that the tiniest amount of armour

[idle breach]

that video was made by HEAT company

[main grove]

Sets it off early

[idle breach]

why does it make an INFERNO

[main grove]

So those thin shields on the sides of the panzer 4

[brave coral]

Lmao idk what the gif was supposed to be but I got a video of a dog playing jenga

[main grove]

Would weaken it drastically

Yeah HEAT doesn't fucking cause an inferno inside the tank

It makes a thin jet of molten metal

[idle breach]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gnemE14zRo

it was gif made out from this bideo

vidoe

video

[main grove]

HESH is better for taking out a tank's crew than HEAT

[idle breach]

after 0:40 it's like some random shit playes

for old tanks

[main grove]

HEAT just makes it so that velocity doesn't matter

Well yeah modern tanks have a bunch of anti spalling things inside

So HESH is now only good against buildings

It's an alternate form of HE

[brave coral]

What does HESH stand for?

[main grove]

High explosive squash head

[brave coral]

Oh

[main grove]

It's has a plastic explosive on the front

[idle breach]

Explosive play-doh

[main grove]

That crushes and spreads over the tanks hull for about half a second

Then it blows up

Sending a nasty shockwave through the armour

Causing massive spalling

[brave coral]

Spalling?

[main grove]

When loads of sharp bits of the tanks own armour shreds the crew inside

[idle breach]

the bits of armour plates flying all around interior

[brave coral]

Oof

[main grove]

Shrapnel made from the tanks own armour

[idle breach]

yeah massive OOF

[main grove]

Simple AP has a bit of spalling when it gets through

But HESH deliberately induces it

Sabot just goes clean through most of the time

HEAT has a shaped explosive charge so that it makes a small cone of molten metal that punches through the tank

[idle breach]

EFP is da best

[viscid crater]

The cones inverts and produces spalling

[brave coral]

I’ve always wondered why Ion weapons are used in Star Wars

Ik kinda off topic

[main grove]

It's meant to be like

Electric damage

So good against droids

[idle breach]

ion cannon in star wars is basically like

[brave coral]

But like. Was it just ‘ooh science word sounds cool’ but I wonder if there is some reasoning in it?

[idle breach]

EMP cannon

no

absolutely not

[main grove]

Clone blasters are blue because their main foes are droids

[brave coral]

Because they use ion engines for space travel which does actually make sense

[main grove]

And as soon as they turn to being anti human as the empire

They go for the red blasters

Which deal heat damage

[brave coral]

Ion is still used for anti armour

[idle breach]

it... makes the machine goes KAPUTT but temporarily

[solid hinge]

whant to play conquest bfv community games then look for severe lil_den87 #57549

[brave coral]

At least in games

[minor jacinth]

Ok

[idle breach]

makes fucking no sense like the rest of the entire franchise

but it's okay it's just cool

[minor jacinth]

I started to enjoy the TTK

[brave coral]

Well yeah. It’s a sci-fi, most of the time the science is very sketchy

[main grove]

I don't know what green blasters are supposed to mean

Like what the fuck is a bowcaster

[brave coral]

But it could also be for like shielding and it disables that

[idle breach]

green blaster and red blaster is not different thing in star wars

it's just same thing but just different colour like

irl tracer rounds sometimes green and sometime red

[brave coral]

Or maybe even reacts with part of the alloy, turning it into a salt? Or weakening the armour

[main grove]

Inb4 some legends stan comes and mandaexplains everything to me

[idle breach]

chemical "things" used in those tracers are different but basically same

[brave coral]

I think the different colour shots are basically just for cinematography

[main grove]

IRL red was NATO tracers

[brave coral]

Looks better if there’s different colour shots flying around rather than just red

[idle breach]

it's just a fantasy magic world, and for decades people trying to make it more sense so

[main grove]

While green was Warsaw pact tracers

[brave coral]

And so you can tell who’s shooting

[idle breach]

it's more interesting how people made up the weird reasons behind the scene lol

[main grove]

It's retroactivley trying to explain why things just be like tht

[brave coral]

Yep

[idle breach]

bowcaster is

uh

it's kinda railgun

it....shoots metal bolt

with magnetic power

[brave coral]

And then the moment you look back you see there’s a lot of inconsistencies between films and trilogies

[main grove]

Like people trying to make up some reason why bad guy lightsaber are always red and good guys get every other colour

That reson being "bleeding" the crystal or something IDK

[brave coral]

Tbf that’s got a canon reason I think

[idle breach]

thats because uh

[main grove]

In the original release of star wars

[idle breach]

siths commonly use synthetic chrystal and it makes red light while natural ones have different colours

[main grove]

All lightsabers were white

[brave coral]

Originally at least it was because Sith used artificial crystals

[idle breach]

MAKES SENSE IF YOU READ THE SILMARILLION

[soft storm]

This isn’t the SWBF2 discord

[idle breach]

sorry wrong franchise

[brave coral]

Yeah we know

[idle breach]

and we don't care because we're the cool kids

wanna be cool? tired of teachers?

[brave coral]

[idle breach]

fuck the law imma just

like

piss on the street

[brave coral]

I did try reading the Silmarillion one time

[regal river]

i did that and was fined 120€

[idle breach]

what a gangsta

wait

[brave coral]

What, read the Silmarillion? Where you live

[idle breach]

how the fuck did you actually caught

[regal river]

REALLY drunk

[brave coral]

Walked up to a policeman and just unzipped

[idle breach]

how regularly and frequently you pissed on the street

oh

[regal river]

literally

the onyl time i did

[idle breach]

lol

[main grove]

Thought you was like

The town street pisser

[regal river]

my firend pissed in the same spot 30 secs before me

didnt get caught

[idle breach]

serial street pisser

[brave coral]

‘He’s too dangerous to be kept alive’

[idle breach]

I think

it's kinda unfair like

piss on the street - get fined

get so drunk you just piss in your own pants and walking around and lying around in a steet making a pool and traces of piss - no problem

[scenic beacon]

stealth 100

[gray glade]

that reminds me of that gavin mcinnis video, where he showed like 10 ways to piss in the middle of a street without anyone noticing

he said he got so adept at it that he accidentally pissed himself on occasion because he never had to hold it 😄

[sonic copper]

When will new update come out

[idle breach]

i dunno

like

next march i guess

[sonic copper]

ttk adjustment?

[dense bone]

i dont think they will particularly be changing ttk across the board

they will obviously balance though

[sonic copper]

sadly

[dense bone]

new ttk doesnt bother me, balance is a problem though, but i didnt expect such a dramatic change to be balanced off the bat

[solid hinge]

I imagine they'll make a bunch of guns 4btk up close

[dense bone]

thatll kinda defeat the purpose wouldnt it?

[frozen barn]

The "close" range guns are too close to be worth using over any other gun right now

[solid hinge]

if the close range smgs dont become 4btk they'll stay useless

the medium range smgs outdamage the close range smgs right now

[dense bone]

yea make guns intended for close to be better close

i thought you were suggesting making a lot of guns, even not cqb specified guns, 4btk

[solid hinge]

make model 8 4btk

[frozen barn]

Boys Rifle

Make snipers take 4btk up close so they can see how smg users feel

😛

[brave garnet]

I'll go for the headshot's

Huehuehue

[frozen barn]

2HK headshots

[brave garnet]

I'm not a sniper player

More of an MMG guy

[frozen barn]

That's the biggest crime of SLRs. it's essentially not worth it to aim for the head

minimum 2hk no matter what

But let's give medics 1hk guns

[dense bone]

at least make it under 10m it can be a ohk

[brave garnet]

No

[dense bone]

?

[frozen barn]

I'd imagine he meant headshots

[dense bone]

oops, yea h is supposed to be headshot

[brave garnet]

My hit accuracy with most MMG's is below 10%

[frozen barn]

SLRS as they stand essentially give you no reason to aim for the head. Not necessarily bad, but then they have the asinine headshot assignments

[dense bone]

^

[rare ermine]

Most people have below 20% accuracy.

[dense bone]

hence how my model 8 isnt fully gold

[frozen barn]

The snipers are actually easier to gold than the SLRs because of that

[dense bone]

ONLY weapon class as of now i dont have a gold for that i tried for

[frozen barn]

And the SARs at least drop 1 BTK if a heashot is in there

I think I only have one more SLR to gold but I'm not home to check

Certainly not fun playing Hamada Breakthrough on repeat hoping I get a team that isn't too good on either side

Gotta draw that shit out

[magic lantern]

Guys

[brave garnet]

Whenever I play an MMG, I always spray the entire belt at people and maybe get a kill or two, sometimes more but I try to suppress them and spot them for the team

[dense bone]

that accuracy doe

[icy sluice]

@dense bone nice image

[frozen barn]

Look at dis guy posting pictures

[dense bone]

lol thanks

[magic lantern]

I’m trying to make a community game with my friends but we are in the amar team

[icy sluice]

I mean the profile picture

[rare ermine]

I’m 22.8 at top 6%

[frozen barn]

Problem with automatics is it's easy to drop your accuracy since you'll usually fire a bit after they're dead

[dense bone]

lol i know you meant my busted nose

[gray glade]

who bust ya nose?

i bet it was one of the mods

[dense bone]

the ice

tried ice skating for a friends bday, i cant even rollerskate

she told me to fist my hands when i fall so no one skates over them

while i was falling thats all i thought about and landed face first into the ice

[gray glade]

😄

[frozen barn]

My accuracy is 26.1. I'll take it as a console pleb

[dense bone]

what % is that?

[rare ermine]

Mine is from ps4

[frozen barn]

26.1%

[dense bone]

what if console high since AA

top %

[frozen barn]

oh

2%

[dense bone]

or bottom

[rare ermine]

Everyone is super inaccurate.

[dense bone]

same as pc

[silver frigate]

guys how's the new update

[gray glade]

your total aim acc will depend largely on your choice of weapon tho

[silver frigate]

i didnt play in a while now

[dense bone]

@silver frigate divisive

[rare ermine]

As bold as the claims get around here.

[gray glade]

if you main mg42 like me you aint getting 26% acc lol

you'll be lucky to hit 12

[dense bone]

if you didnt play in a while its kind of hard totell a difference other than a few guns that got absolutely fucked

[silver frigate]

@dense bone why 😅

oh

[main grove]

MG42 with machinegunner subclass is just good for spotting now

Not actually killing

[dense bone]

fg42 is an example

[gray glade]

its actually GREAt for killing atm

as long as you choose the right specs

[rare ermine]

You should be choosing a class for the current needs. Not playing a weapon.

[gray glade]

cuz of the bug

[dense bone]

fg42 is basically a bad smg now, but it was a good all a rounder before

[silver frigate]

well i am not advanced deeply into the game rn

[main grove]

I mean

[silver frigate]

i just began playing

[main grove]

Machinegunner

Is made for machineguns

It's in the name

[silver frigate]

are there any new newbie guns

[dense bone]

just pick a gun for your playstyle/range and dont picka bad gun and youll do fine

[silver frigate]

or are they all high level

[frozen barn]

Weapon specs not class spec rankest

[main grove]

Oh

[dense bone]

most people i think are angry their favorite gun is just different

[rare ermine]

Starting weapons are great.

[frozen barn]

I think it's like if you choose the firerate increase for the mg42 it has the old ttk or something

[main grove]

They need to rebalance a lot of guns to be viable options now but not revert the whole thing

[silver frigate]

would u recommend the first automatic rifle over the other semi-automatics for assault?

[gray glade]

no, i mean, if you choose heavy barrel or whatever for the first mg42 spec tree you get the old TTK

[main grove]

TBH I would be fine with raising the FGs fire rate to 800 or something

[gray glade]

you'll slaughter

[dense bone]

sg1-5 is only decent at close iirc

[rare ermine]

There will always be a best gun, if they are not exactly the same.

[crude relic]

hackers day again?

why why WHY?

[gray glade]

^

[crude relic]

X3

[gray glade]

its glorious

[brave coral]

@main grove by the looks that is what they’re doing

Which I like

[main grove]

Because they said they're trying not to change the TTK

[frozen barn]

Which is, you know, how they said they were gonna balance stuff in the first place and didnt

[main grove]

Which implied they would be raising RPM

[brave coral]

For the most part I think the changes are decent, I quite like them, but there are some weapons where they went way wrong

[frozen barn]

Trench Carbine is the only gun I'm aware of where they simultaneously nerfed the damage model and increased the fire rate

And it was like a 25% increase to firerate

[brave coral]

MMGs actually need a buff imo from their current state

[main grove]

I think that the recoil reduction was too much for MGs and ARs

In exchange for SMG damage

[frozen barn]

Yeah I mean isn't the STG the best AR right now because it has essentially no recoil

[brave coral]

It didn’t really have any recoil before

[main grove]

Before recoil was mostly tied to RPM

[idle breach]

STG?

[main grove]

Type 100 was the first weapon to change that

[idle breach]

aren't stg deleted and replaced with two types of blaster weapons

[main grove]

I like VGO

It's got good irons

[idle breach]

try mg42 with higher speed bullet

they forgot to nerf that thing

[brave coral]

Recoil is too much considering the damage nerfs

[idle breach]

still has pre-5.2 ttk.

[main grove]

Yeah I was expecting all MMGs to be lasers to make up for low damage

But it's still too strong

[frozen barn]

I haven't used too many different guns post-change but the Trench Carbine is I feel a good example of what they CLAIMED the patch was supposed to do

[main grove]

Trench carbine is quite hard to use without full auto now

[brave coral]

Instead they went ‘uh. Damage reduction... and increased recoil’

[main grove]

I used to use it semi auto with hipfire

[frozen barn]

I didn't realize it had an auto option

[idle breach]

me too

[main grove]

Oh yeah this update directly nerfed MMGs

[idle breach]

how high is rof now

[main grove]

No benefit to them

[brave coral]

Tbh it’s main appeal is full auto

Imo at least

[idle breach]

was 450

[frozen barn]

I just have CoD4 "you're hacking" speedy fingers so I enjoy the semi-auto

[brave coral]

It was 360 rpm now I think it’s about 450?

[idle breach]

no trench was 450 before

p08 was 360

ioh

oh wait

[brave coral]

No it was definitely 360 bc they had the same RoF at least in the stats screen

[idle breach]

I forgot

was it

300/360?

[brave coral]

And it still says 360

[idle breach]

p08 360

oh

hmm i dunno think you're right

you're my master anyways

[haughty pawn]

trench with 450 auto is just sick now

[main grove]

This update kind of went too harsh on fast guns

So now the meta is slower guns

[brave coral]

Lmao

[haughty pawn]

only need to control the vertical recoil

[idle breach]

i dunno ag m42 deserved a nerf???

[main grove]

Ribey, MAB, M1919,

[frozen barn]

I'm all for guns having intended ranges hill humpers shouldn't be rewarded with magic bullet proof vests that eat 12 bullets

[brave coral]

The two Battlefield discord’s I’m in have completely different takes

[calm hawk]

They are going to have to fix the the m1 garland is practically useless and so is the turner smle

[frozen barn]

It was already a joke for a sniper to 2-piece someone without them being able to eat half a clip

[calm hawk]

And quite a few other guns

[brave coral]

This one is saying slow firing weapons are meta

[haughty pawn]

you can laser snipe with the stg-44 now

[frozen barn]

There are a select few fast weapons that are good

[brave coral]

The other one is saying fast firing guns are the meta

[frozen barn]

Most slow firing weapons didn't get changed much or at all which is why they're still good

[main grove]

MAB and Ribey fuck everything now

[hoary condor]

Ribey always did tbf

[brave coral]

MAB is pretty nice now

[haughty pawn]

stg outguns the rib,higher rof,both no recoil

[frozen barn]

M1 Garand was a 3BTK with heavy load REALLY far before

Now it turns into 4btk at 50

[main grove]

I've been doing fair decent with the MAS now

It's a long range spammer

[brave coral]

M1 shouldn’t have been changed

[main grove]

Kind of like AGm42

[frozen barn]

Dunno the model for the non heavy load

[calm hawk]

If it is @solid hinge it sure as hell doesn’t work nice anymore and the turner smle might as well be obsolete

[frozen barn]

Every other SAR has a bigger clip though

[hoary condor]

don't really rate the M1 tbf

[brave coral]

Other than making Heavy Load default and replacing the spec with the bayonet

[hoary condor]

wish ZK had a bigger clip

[frozen barn]

Even with heavy load?

[main grove]

m1 should be the fastest heavy hitting SAR to make up for it's 8 round clip

[haughty pawn]

heavy load does shit dmg now

[hoary condor]

even with the less recoil still seems a bit much

[main grove]

The other heavy SARs like the G43 Karabin and Selbst1916 have more ammo

[brave coral]

Karabin is a beast

[haughty pawn]

think they forgot to nerf the selby don't they ?

[dense bone]

when balancing a weapon you have to consider btk, rof, dmg drop off, mag size, reload time, ease of use, etc... all these contribute to balancing

[brave coral]

It was before but it’s especially good now

And the sound on it...

[hoary condor]

dmg drop of for M95 is still a pretty penny

[dense bone]

i think we over simplify our sense of balancing in here

[main grove]

MAS used to be like the turner but with a very fast bullet

[hoary condor]

it heads from any distance

[haughty pawn]

played the commando just for the lols last night,man that thing is strong now lul

[main grove]

I don't know if Bolt carbines need a nerf now or something

It would suck

[haughty pawn]

and it's the weakest medic bolt

[main grove]

But they do fuck things over quite hard in the 20-50m range

[hoary condor]

never bother with bolts on medic

[brave coral]

Nah they just need to bring other weapons back up a bit which they’re going to do

[hoary condor]

Sten or MP40

[haughty pawn]

yeah i know,jungle was op even before 5.2

[main grove]

Yeah don't go back to old TTK

Make the new one in between

[hoary condor]

mostly sten for long distance alongside hip fire

rof let's it down a little bit

[brave coral]

That’s basically what they’re doing I think which is good

[hoary condor]

but dmg is good

[main grove]

Sten has 4 btk up close now

So it can still do well

[haughty pawn]

mp40 is the same

[hoary condor]

never fails me

[brave coral]

I mean the new version was in the works when 5.2 came out

[solid hinge]

@haughty pawn selby got nerfed

[main grove]

But over range the MP34 and MAB over take it

[haughty pawn]

not sure about the sten,but mp40 hip spec also shreds on range

[hoary condor]

yeah for usre

[haughty pawn]

@solid hinge which one still has the 2 btk then ?

[hoary condor]

STG44 still holds well i think

[solid hinge]

Theres two selbys

[haughty pawn]

stg is the meta

[dense bone]

^

people should call them 1906 or 1916

[haughty pawn]

never played the selbys

so dunno

[solid hinge]

Selb 1916 is a semi auto and got rof plus ranged damage nerf, selb 1906 is a SLR got rof nerf

[brave coral]

Selb 1906 is also for some reason classed as a semi auto rifle for Recon now

[hoary condor]

M95 never let me down lol

[dense bone]

@brave coral it wasnt before right?

[hoary condor]

5.2 or not

[dense bone]

thats what i thought but someone said otherwise

[brave coral]

Yeah it was classed as a self loading rifle

[craggy estuary]

i just run shotty

[haughty pawn]

so the 1906 has still the old ttk ?

[frozen barn]

A couple of the SLRs have always shown up in the SAR section on battlefieldtracker, so I wonder if that's something that's always kinda been there in the code somewhere

[dense bone]

not the same ttk

[haughty pawn]

well slower rof

[dense bone]

since it has same btk but lower rof

[haughty pawn]

same btk

?

[brave coral]

1906 does actually have enough drop off at range to require 3 BTK

[dense bone]

2btk at all ranges

[haughty pawn]

hmm

[brave coral]

But it’s quite long range

[solid hinge]

the SLRs had no damage changes iirc

[dense bone]

1906 can technically 3 shot? at what a mile?

[frozen barn]

Nothing should have became double the BTK, especially without a firerate increase

[haughty pawn]

slr's were never really my thing except m1a1

[dense bone]

m1a1 is SAR

[brave coral]

That’s a SAR

[frozen barn]

Most guns they did nothing but change the damage dropoff

[brave coral]

SLRs are Recon

[main grove]

I think once SMGs have a little bit of rebalancing their current damage model is fine

[haughty pawn]

and garand which is utterly useless now

[solid hinge]

semi autos are assault, SLR are recon

[dense bone]

not anymore

[haughty pawn]

errr semis

sry lul

[dense bone]

recon has 1 SAR now

[main grove]

It's ARs and LMGs that are kinda lacking

[haughty pawn]

madsen

only way to go

[brave coral]

But it’s probably a UI glitch

[frozen barn]

I'm just worried they're gonna nerf the good guns instead of buffing the utterly shit ones

[haughty pawn]

for lmg

[main grove]

Selb 1906 being an SAR is a bug that's been in the game's dog tags for a while

[haughty pawn]

plz no lol

for further nerfs

[main grove]

And now it's finally showed in UI

[brave coral]

Madsen got messed up at close range though

[frozen barn]

They essentially have to nerf the pistols because they're too good with their old damage model

[dense bone]

i just hope they keep ranges defined

[main grove]

I think LMGs should have considerable recoil

[haughty pawn]

madsen is too slow on close range anyways

[solid hinge]

madsen was already pants close up

[main grove]

In exchange for decent damage

[solid hinge]

just use revolver if they get close

[dense bone]

^

[main grove]

Revolver needs a goddamn nerf

[dense bone]

go something good at range, have revolver for close

[haughty pawn]

freaking op revolver ,i hate it

[solid hinge]

Even if you take something good for close up revolver probably beats it too

[main grove]

BF1 revolvers were fine

[solid hinge]

Assault has 1 weapon that beats webley right now

[main grove]

Because they became shit beyond 10m

[solid hinge]

[haughty pawn]

melee ?

[main grove]

Nagant revolve was weird

[midnight nimbus]

revolvers are fine

need to go back to BF3/4 revolvers 😩

[haughty pawn]

flame thrower ?

[solid hinge]

Imagine the assault class having only a single gun that beats a sidearm within 10 metres

[frozen barn]

Epic gamer move

[main grove]

That's a show that the sidearm is fucked

[solid hinge]

wait you dont have to imagine

[hoary condor]

sidearms are op

[solid hinge]

It's a show that they fucked the balancing

[main grove]

Revolver should melt at close range

Like in BF1

[midnight nimbus]

I was okay with revolvers being able to beat primaries up close in BF1

tbh

[main grove]

Bulldog

Oof

[midnight nimbus]

howdah

[frozen barn]

No. 3 all classes

[main grove]

Howdah was fun

People say it was shit

[idle breach]

why is

[main grove]

But I liked it

[frozen barn]

I think the No. 3 revolver was one of my top 3 guns

[idle breach]

bfv players so like

family like

I know gamers are like a big family but

especially shooter people and bfv people are literally like family

[main grove]

bruh pls

I don't wanna be a gamer

[idle breach]

no like

yeah

[main grove]

Gamers are pants

[idle breach]

okay like

"players"

[hoary condor]

this server is family

[brave coral]

Honestly the pistol thing was the case before the patch I’m pretty sure

[idle breach]

no not this server but ingame chatting

it's like a big giant family

[main grove]

Pistols were fine pre patch

[frozen barn]

Pistols were ass except the revolver, then they did a rework on them

[idle breach]

like

[main grove]

They were shit before the pistol buff

[idle breach]

there are

so many people claming they had sex with somebody elses mother and things like

[frozen barn]

Then with 5.2 the pistols remained unchanged, so they're too strong

[idle breach]

we're like everyones father and sons and

[brave coral]

Or at least the M1911 outdamaged or matched the damage on most SARs at 10m

[idle breach]

I met several new fathers

[solid hinge]

@idle breach

[idle breach]

and sometimes mothers

kinda depressed like

I don't think nobody want to "do" me

[solid hinge]

M1911 only matched the damage of the long range semis

[idle breach]

always about my mother and father

[solid hinge]

Like g43

[ebon trench]

That's why I love the 1911 tbh

[solid hinge]

and while g43 was a 3 shot at any distance, m1911 was only a 3 shot within 12 metred

[idle breach]

is fg42 means fascistsgewehr-42?

[ebon trench]

...

[frozen barn]

I miss BF1 with cavalry keeping their armor off their horses. Running around dunking on people with your pistol

[ebon trench]

No

[idle breach]

fallschirmjagergun-42?

[ebon trench]

Fallschirmjagergewehr 42

[idle breach]

no it's german it should be fallschirmjagerkanone42 so

hmm

what would it be

a mystery, sure.

[ebon trench]

I literally just said what it meant

[craggy estuary]

Fallschirmjägergewehr 42

[idle breach]

hmm

pretty makes sense

but I need to research about this issue further.

[craggy estuary]

paratrooper rifle 42

nerf gun 42

[idle breach]

no way it would be fallschirmjagergewehr 42

[ebon trench]

Paratrooper Rifle Model 42

[hoary condor]

sidearms need nerf

[idle breach]

because germans are specific and accurate at naming things right?

[ebon trench]

That would be the literal translation

[idle breach]

and the gun was, literally made to fill the specific needs like

[craggy estuary]

The FG42 (Fallschirmjagergewehr, in the German tradition of making four little words into one big word) was a rifle ahead of its time, made in small numbers for German parachute troops during WWII.

[idle breach]

used by fallschirmjager

[hoary condor]

no they aren't

[idle breach]

both be able to fired with closed bolt/open bolt

[hoary condor]

Panzer mk 4 is, in english, Tank 4

[idle breach]

shoots rifle round etc etc and

most importantly, no longer than 1m or such

[craggy estuary]

@hoary condor Panzerkampfwagen IV

[hoary condor]

German Engineering though..

[ebon trench]

Tank Model 4

[idle breach]

so, it should be Karabiner

irl germans would never name that like gewehr

too short.

it should be, Fallschirmjagerkarabiner-42

[solid hinge]

idk how a fg42 is a rifle

[ebon trench]

Mate they literally called it the gewehr

[craggy estuary]

just like the STG

[idle breach]

but it's not long enough

it's even shorter than Kar98k

it should be karabiner

[ebon trench]

It's still a functioning battle rifle

[idle breach]

but it's FG not krieggewehr or something

[craggy estuary]

it fired 7.92×57mm Mauser

its the german BAR

[idle breach]

no

it used 7.92"mm" Mauser.

not inch

so not BAR

the most important aspect of american firearm is the inch

[craggy estuary]

um i said 7.92 mm

[idle breach]

yeah

what

[frozen barn]

No bingus, this is all a fever dream

[idle breach]

yeah

[craggy estuary]

@idle breach german bar as in its use

[idle breach]

yeah but they used metric

system

and

oh i get it

they were on

[craggy estuary]

it was the lmg for the paras

[idle breach]

oh what was that name

methamphetamine

they were on high

[craggy estuary]

@idle breach yes

[idle breach]

yeah

[hoary condor]

yeah for the blitz kreg

[idle breach]

that's why they lose the war

haha

should've just sticked with good ol tea and coffee

[craggy estuary]

@idle breach it was more speed than meth

[hoary condor]

no, they wanted to keep going but X said to stop

[craggy estuary]

no i was wrong

it was crystal meth in pill form

Pervitin

[hoary condor]

could get it over the counter out there at the time

[craggy estuary]

well heroin was originally meant to be a non addictive alternative to morphine

was invented by bayer(yes the company that makes asprin)

[soft storm]

Oh thank god

[slim thistle]

Japanese now have Sherman in stead of Hachi

[echo turtle]

[idle breach]

oh yeah pervetin

but

I don't get it like

[tidal wharf]

YT thekaly98

[idle breach]

why.. name your speed drug

a Perv...it..in...

I mean, if I was some atheletic without any moral sense and some shady dude walks to me and ask like

HEY

DO YOU LIKE....SOME... PERVITIN? and I would be like

[echo turtle]

Yes, I'd like some meth

[regal river]

german military used it until the 70s lol

[idle breach]

no fuck you what the fuck? got some steroid or something? wtf mate I'm not a perv

literally one of the worst named product

[echo turtle]

Not really

[idle breach]

yeah I think some worse names

like

total war warhammer

kingdome come - delieverance

medal of honor - warfighter

[echo turtle]

Kingdom come - deliverance is fine imo

[sweet pawn]

is this battlefield related

[echo turtle]

Along with total war

[sweet pawn]

because honestly i have no clue

[echo turtle]

Something like Medal of Honor warfighter is so basic

And with that franchise you usually use the subtitle

[main grove]

Medal of Honor - soldier man

[idle breach]

wtf ls like total war warhammer

just call it warhammer total war.

oh kingdome come is kinda fine tbh

hmm

[echo turtle]

You would probably just use total war

Same thing with vermintide

[idle breach]

okay let's dig some bfv and

maybe find dice did some weird shit on japanese faction

name of the character..
Akemi... mmmm no problem too common name

Fumiko.. there was an.. anti-imperial activist but also a really common name so

no problem

Miyoko.. Isamu.. Masao.. Hiroshi.. hmm they did it right. Some of them are kinda old-timer feels good job

Keisuke nakamura is a complete joke but well... every elites are

and I have no idea why does the rocket tank for japan has name like Hachi

[glad orbit]

idk why dice pushes updates they know would make everyone mad C:

[ebon trench]

Because that's what it was called maybe? @idle breach

[idle breach]

no it is fictional tank

and the name is just...

8...in japanese... or maybe

wasp..or somethin..

[sturdy quarry]

Weeb alert

[idle breach]

it's okay I'm mongoloid

cancel the alert

[sturdy quarry]

Also, what the fuck is up with the game putting me into servers with 60 people and still saying its searching for players

And also, why does DICE cap the amount of ToW xp you can get per match?

Why is the End of Round screen broken?

[idle breach]

somehow dice decided it's good idea to make breakthrough only starts with full 64/64 match

[sturdy quarry]

Why dont I get my new assignments after I get my gun to level 5 or 10?

[idle breach]

the entire progression and end of the round tracking is broken

[sturdy quarry]

Why do I not receive my items after completing an assignment?

Why do I exist?

[idle breach]

uh because

[sturdy quarry]

shit wrong question

[idle breach]

your dad and mom loved each other

[ebon trench]

@sturdy quarry it's broken

[sturdy quarry]

It is broken

That is the answer

[ebon trench]

The servers are borked

[sturdy quarry]

The whole fucking game is

[ebon trench]

And it's the big gay

Still got thirteen hours in the pit

[sturdy quarry]

What'd you do now?

[ebon trench]

No I'm still in there

Ive been in there still since we last spoke

But anyway. 13 hours

[autumn pivot]

does the chapter reward this week auto use?

[sturdy quarry]

Yes but it didnt work for me, I completed this week and I did not receive my reward from the tier skip

[ebon trench]

Honestly they should do some sort of hotfix before going on holidays proper and fix this bullshit end of round bug

[tribal ledge]

There's a RAnk 18 player in my lobby that is killing more dudes than the rank 102 players in the same lobby

[ebon trench]

I'm literally turning off all my assignments so I don't get my stuff borked

[autumn pivot]

not that really into using a skip when i am 25k away from next skin

[tribal ledge]

Thanks DiCE for not prioriticing the REAL issues like cheaters

[solid hinge]

the real issue is ttk

[sturdy quarry]

After 5.2 yes

Before 5.2? Not at all

[rapid wedge]

They hurt my precious Thompson

My baby

[solid hinge]

of course after 5.2

[ebon trench]

I've been levelling up my guns and not receiving the weapon parts @sturdy quarry

[tribal ledge]

Thompson might as well be shooting marshmellow bullets now

It's useless

[solid hinge]

everyone is quitting cuz of this awful update

[ebon trench]

No blue parts out of this at all

[solid hinge]

it was perfect before

[rapid wedge]

Why did it ever go through

[ebon trench]

I still think Sith Lord EA went Dew It

[solid hinge]

if u want to change any of the guns buff the bad ones that aren't often used

its really not that hard to go back dice

[ebon trench]

Make mid range combat great again

[sturdy quarry]

Making more weapons viable my ass lmao

[solid hinge]

8 damage

[ebon trench]

I want a mod for bfv turning all the gun models into nerf gund

[brave garnet]

They tried balancing the weapons by making the majority of them shitty and forcing players to run SLR's and bolties

[frozen barn]

Pro strats

[ebon trench]

Okay. Lemme explain my gripe

[solid hinge]

i only got killed by smgs the other day

[ebon trench]

I as a player. Like using all the guns.

I don't like being forced into a meta

[solid hinge]

that's one of the reasons I hate fortnite

[sturdy quarry]

"The Art of Anally Raping a Community"

[solid hinge]

that there's constant metas that change that are all not fun at all

[ebon trench]

Anuraperu no jutsu @sturdy quarry

[frozen barn]

I wonder how much of an influence the "core" playlist had on the reversion last time

I'm guessing we aren't gonna see that again

[solid hinge]

and now they're gonna do that in this game

[ebon trench]

Inb4 old values become hardcore lmao

[sturdy quarry]

They said that at the moment they dont have any plans to revert the changes

[solid hinge]

lol ok dice say bye bye to your minute of Fame for battlefield 5

I think they plan to keep the changes the new bar that they're gonna add is like a peashooter

[sturdy quarry]

The frustrating thing is that they were gaining trust again but now all that is gone again

The community is split, this time not about content but other major changes. Which is excactly what they didnt want

[solid hinge]

they might add it back after the survey

[ebon trench]

Even if this next game is something hype worthy like bc3 or Vietnam or even some modern thing. Dice and EA have burned away a stupid amount of goodwill and love for these games with their actions. @sturdy quarry

[dense bone]

heres a hot take, any big change will split community

[ebon trench]

Here's a hot take. a not dying machin

[brave garnet]

Whenever dice fuck the game they make it good for once then destroy their momentum by doing something like 5.2