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And I didn't know it was supposed to be rock paper scissors
I tried to play only M1911 and it's the best weapon of the game
guys wich pack is the best in you opinion? premium starter pack or the chapter 5 premium booster pack?
Jeez, sounds like 5.2 really pissed people off
starter pack imo. 6 level ups, great outfit and uhh assignments for xp
get the one you like the outfits the most of
Best pack is DON'T GIVE DICE YOUR MONEY @real zodiac
the rest is debatable
I concur with soldat
@nimble pebble And I'm not hating, i'm a core player
I was disappointed in my family when they bought skins
I've been an apologist for this game since release and I still wouldn't give them extra money for skins
@gray saffron the 6 level ups are on my general lvl? or on the chapter thingy?
on the tide of war level yeah
But I was one of the idiots who bought Deluxe so
the ranking rewards for getting jungle carbine, skins and stuff
general lvl leads to 500
oh i see thanks for the info
Same @frozen barn
thought i would get skins every week
instead i got 20
for 40€ more
@tidal kindle dude I'm right there with you. Been playing since bfbc2 came out. Really sad to see where we've come to. Like I can play bf1, 4,3 and bfbc2 without getting bored. Havnt touched bf5 in a minute
I only started with 4. Played 4 all the way until 1's release
Uh oh
4 it the shit
well 5.2 make u drop all weapons' muscle memories
I was a CoD Casual until then
^^ so it sounds
BFV Community = Babies
Shame to here that
BF community manager spoke about TTK and he's aware of the community dissapointement but they just want to balance instead of reverting it
good
@wanton cairn how
Revert Revert Revert Revert
@wheat juniper dice changes ttk, people act like dice murdered their family
get on BFV sub reddit and watch the most controversial
They should gave balanced it before they implemented it
@wheat juniper because too many people are crying about a shitty little change in a video game
I don't have life , so they took mine by killing TTK
balancing on first shot is asking a lot
and lots of old bugs coming again, like reports after match, the respawn
The gunplay is the only thing this game has had going for it since release. Anyone who's tried to defend this game up until now should rightly be miffed
@dense bone you mean dice yet again released a shit update to an underwhelming game and people are upset? Wow never would’ve seen that coming
"you guys are babies" 
gunplay's still good. just some guns are a bit mweh atm 😦
Create a reddit account and dislike every post about TTK made by DICE
I mean I cant blame the community for a lack of care and forethought that went into this game. And the further away it's getting from being a solid game is really sad
Like every hate comment about the new one
lets see what they respond at thursday
@wanton cairn I think it has more to do with the gross incompetence dice has continuously shown for the last year
^^^^^^^^^
@wheat juniper dice released an update that had bug problems sure, but ttk is preference. the game is good at best, underwhelming at worst. people crying about ttk changes are self entitled, like most gamers
@wheat juniper I understand that, but there's a difference between being a giant man baby and giving constructive criticism
It's a fucking entertainment product, everything is preference
^
@dense bone good at best is the overstatement of the century
it is elite, but people dont treat it like that
I don't think the ttk is inherently bad but as a change from what it was, yeah it's bad
@wheat juniper good isnt high regards, good is like 6-7/10
The start of the Dexit was peak gamer self entitlement (excluding current knowledge that Gamefreak lied)
@dense bone fair enough
For dexit, it was a game series some people have supported for several decades, of course people will be upset when they go "hey guys the next game is gonna have like half of the previous content"
@wanton cairn people can only give constructive criticism for so long before they get annoyed/upset
Spending time arguing about TTK on this discord is a waste of time since DICE doesn't care about its customers
@frozen barn what game has half the content?
pokemon
He said dexit so presumably he was talking about pokemon
IMO, aside this whole rebalance TTK being hasty and actually can be better, sure.
But I think changing the TTK via damage drop itself is a stupid idea since damage drop and xBTK in yRange would never be linear.
If they wanted to change the overall pace, engagement time or whatever, they should go with accuracy/recoil. Mostly recoil.
sword and shield
If you expect them to keep adding over 100 pokemon every generation and upkeep the existing pokemon, you're self entitled
@tidal kindle they have a free live service...
Have they made it so you can change gun challenges in the middle of the game yet?
lmao
(I'm excluding the fact that Gamefreak lied and is super incompetent, but I hope you get the point)
@wheat juniper Once again I understand that, but do you really think dice will listen to people crying and cussing them out or rather some thought out and valid criticism
I won't play infantry anymore
I mean the "free live service" could be turning the game into one game mode with one gun that wouldn't make it right
Get ready for the 80K spitfire kills 😉
Maybe change the some of the drastic changes (like the Fg42 or the breada) and buff the smg's overall and i think it wouldn't be too bad of a change
@frozen barn well it hasnt, so no need in being proactively cry baby about it
with the annoying "cling" sound while u kill
no1 care the 3d spot icon ? all like that ?
i dont get people being proactively against something.. it hasnt happened
It was kinda bs getting sniped with the sten before 5.2
@radiant pivot It's only for you but the "You are spotted" leads to destroy every flare u send
And for the 3d spotting is kinda a meh for me
Just do it like old games
It worked before
BF1 just finished downloading
Whining about 'core playerbase' 'dice catering noobs' are just pure idioitic rants, sure.
It's not proactively getting mad. They made a change, people are mad. You argued "oh durr it's a free update so it's fine". I pointed out free updates aren't inherently good
i m not say the minimap the words , i mean top of ppl's head icon
Well having it auto spot like it does know is dumb
you are proactively getting mad at the potential of the free service being bad... that had nothing to do with these changes
Make it where you physically have to press a button to spot
ya i know ,but u can see them throw the smoke
@wanton cairn I don’t think they’ll listen regardless at this point. People are upset because there is no way this patch should have made it through testing in its current state. I mean it’s been a year since the game came out and the net code is still horrible, weapon challenges are written horribly, you can’t change challenges in game, the rental server program is a joke, but for some reason instead of fixing any of those things they put out a terribly balanced patch. The players deserve and expect better.
That was fine before hand
free content cant ever be bad unless they essentially break the game
Ah, you're one of those "they could shit on my porch and I'd be happy for the free shit" people
you could argue they did break the game
Man like i just fuckin want a new shotgun and pistol skins yo

shit on porch has a negative to it
makes the game worse
but its free so its good
@dense bone I’d rather the games core issues be addressed than get more free content
a free map that sucks doesnt do anything
@wheat juniper i would too, that isnt the discussion
@wheat juniper I agree that there should be a CTE for BFV, I'm surprised there wasn't one already tbh. Also, I do believe this update was a mistake, but its not nearly as bad as people are making it out to be
is the game ACTUALLY broken for anyone?
As soon as things dont go their way, its time to cry and whine about it
When has that ever worked
broken as in they cant play, not they choose not to play
Nope
Well see that's just your opinion that shit on a porch isn't good
black screens, crashing, etc
Well for a lot of noobs they cant unlock shit so yeah kinda
@dense bone I've had one crash this past week, nothing new
wow must have been a positive change to break unlocks then
annoying and shouldnt happen, yes, doesnt mean its broken

Im level like 70 sum and i cant unlock the kunai for the Japanese scout
cappy the kind of meme kid thats wrong with gamers
I'd consider no unlocks broken personally
a broken game is a game that doesnt work
Yeah same Ayluwu
not a specific part of the game that doesnt work
this shill still going? give it a rest
unlocks are broken, not the game itself
It's a core part of the game nyph
lol no its not
@wanton cairn maybe it isn’t. I’ve only played 3 matches in the last 2-3 months and those three were yesterday. I had no problems with the ttk changes because i was popping people with my sniper but I’ve heard bad things about it from levelcapgaming and I trust his opinion
Like yeah you can still play with the noob guns but that takes most of the fun out of it
core part of the game is running around and shooting
Nyph how you gonna use the correct guns for certain ranges if you can't unlock them?
By that argument you could say it functioned if it spawned you in front of the barrel of a tiger that insta-killed you after every spawn
so as long as you can left click on someone no update can ever be bad
i play the range according to my gun
ok brother
@wheat juniper People are upset because their SMG's cant reliably out perform snipers
so is unlocking and playing with new guns
People are upset because they have to actually try and get kills now
smgs couldn't reliably outperform snipers in the first place
Anyone find it funny how dice purposefully made it so you couldn’t do tides of war progression in private games but you can do the impossible camo challenges in them
@solid hinge technically yes, game isnt broken, the spawn system is broken
You'd be surprised man
so, i made eggs this morning
Sten would like to have word lol
Yeah but they still shouldnt be useless at range
Yeah and some hill humper crying they got domed by an smg while prone caused dice to rebalance entire weapon classes
planes are more broken then guns
It's still a gun
You had more than enough time to get behind cover as a sniper at 75 metres when someone was plinking you with a sten
@wanton cairn smgs never were always underwhelming in my opinion.... doesn’t it take like 10+ bullets to kill at range with some lmgs now?
if a tire goes flat on a car the tire is broken, not the car
Guys why is there create community game in my multiplayer ?
you cant apply the individual to the whole
Even if they hit every shot it was like an entire second to kill you
If you were getting killed by stens at range as a sniper i have some bad news for you
the FG42 a rifle does 8 damage at range
8
If the engine borks out on a car you can't drive it though
the fg42 isnt a made to be ranged in bfv
mixed convos
I also heard they added the ttk changes to firestorm. Rip
FG42 is my favorite melee weapon
tfw no fg42 in hardline style driving round
they add up, but that doesnt mean it equals the whole by itself
Can anyone tell me why you can can aim rocket launchers without them being loaded 🙂
A car is not an engine
If I see you scootin down the road on just an engine I'd record it
Just aim better guys haha
Or smeckledorfed
^^^
you just said you don't even play it , i'm confused what your argument is all about
And dice needs to un-smeckledorf the game
the game is a fucking pt cruiser 
Silent Hill: PT Cruiser
@frozen barn xD
point is, aspects of a game being broken doesnt make the entire game broken

Ok daddy
This game runs like shit on with rtx 2070
if you cant play the game sure
game is cpu bound not gpu bound
but not getting new weapons doesnt actually stop you from playing the game
I have an 8700K
Maybe dice just wants you to experience the home screen
You can't deny them that
Live service
*free live service
That's redundant
are all live services free?
what is the argument here? that the game doesnt blackscreen on launch? like what are you dudes arguing about right now
Battlefield feels like it's running on a chromebook
Ight yall keep fighting imma head out before i get fired from just lookin at my phone so cya
not all live services are free
Since 5.2 my performance is a lot worse
jesus did that have to be said
But it's still playable
yeah no shit i had to pay 60 quid for this game lmao
I have never seen a game referred to as live service where it wasn't free
Anything paid is usually referred to as a subscription
paid for seasons are examples of live services
i paid around 60. got around 1000 hours*, even if the game does turn into shit, i still got my money's worth imo ;D
I would say FC5 is a good example
Far cry?
60 dollars for some weapons that should've been in the base game but ended up being drip fed
The game is supported for by people paying for the seasons. That's the live service
ive never heard anyone call a season pass a subscription
If you don't buy the season you don't suddenly stop getting updates
a subscription is monthly payments
Just like how this game is supported by microtransactions
You don't have to pay for them to keep playing, though the game isn't gonna get updates forever if people aren't buying them
Could we lump the battlepass system into the subscription?
at best you can assume live service means free
For games that have you purchase them?
Fortnite is constantly updated as part of it's live service. That part is free. People paying for seasons keep the game running
Unless you're suddenly locked out of the game for not paying, the live service is free.
that doesnt mean all live services are free
What the hell Battlefield fans?
We had to pay a entrance fee to get battlefield with the ToW lumped in
pretty sure live services would be an overarching definition over things like subs and season passes
holy shit that was intense
Kind of sad seeing that
Then again, they aren't doing themselves any good by sending death threats
They'll just get ignored
Tf is the thread about?
Sending actual mail will get them a visit from the police, hopefully
Ah
Y know
There was a mmo game which from china or korea i cant remember correct but
Some dev got his gut butchered out by angry gamer
wth
Some people(criminals who play the game)showing up the office and threatening the devs
It's asia dude
We're ahead of you, westerners lol
Smh
And there was a hacker blatantly cheating in a big internet cafe
Some guy stabbed him in the belly, dead(in china)
Just another heated gaming moment 😔
looking for a BF5 player, who wanna join me - im in squad 2
!lfg
!!lfg
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Head over to the Looking For Games channel category.
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#lfg-pc #lfg-xbox #lfg-playstation
When is the new maps out for bfv
!!lfg
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Head over to the Looking For Games channel category.
Please remember to state your region when looking for players to play with!
#lfg-pc #lfg-xbox #lfg-playstation
In what way Bingus
@deft sigil Yeah, that goes to the Looking for Games channels
yeah just let me copy it before you delete it ....
Sometimes you gotta just know when to stop if they're too frustrating
Like I literally don't go for the 20 headshot ones unless I'm playing Hamada Breakthrough Attacker
So If I'm not playing that cool I can ignore them
Or any ranged ones I gotta know what maps I'm just gonna make no progress on them
I've had good luck on the Rotterdam bridge for range ones
I rage quitted sniper assignments
@solid hinge performance in bfv doesnt get you anything though
After I got 19 headshot kills while attacking an objective
Or something
While prone
I cant remember
Something like that
I think level cap stated it best when he said that the assignments made you extremely self centered
The only time I've ever broken a controller physically was when I had a game where I got like 18/20 headshots in the first half and then got nothing for the second half
so where do I find a spot to get BF1 players to hook up with? (I would get BF5, but I both don't have the money and my PC probably can't run it anyway)
Or I guess purposely would be the more correct term
Yeah sometimes just knowing when to step away is important too
No point in making yourself hate the game
And then I came back and did other assignments 
they really should just let all the assignments progress at the same time. you know like every other battlefield game
I hate Overwatch so much now from spending so long trying to get the achievements
So now I only play it for the holiday skins
Ye wouldve been Nice actually
the assignments are big 💩
Bring back bf4 unlocking 
It got kinda better with newer guns since they didn't use the copy-paste assignment setup but then some of the new ones are bad
ive only hated 1 assignment, final mastery model 8
Like you know, "long" range kills with SMGs
BFV is big poop
the reason dice hasnt changed the assignments is because they want to encourage people to use community games to cheese them 
Granted SMG assignments were some of the easiest so they needed to mix it up a bit
I use the assignments to figure out what guns I DO enjoy
lewis, suomi, thompson, mp40, p08c, stg, g1-5, sg1-5, and m1a1 iirc
all my guns stuck on like gold sights
Do the gold skins, then do the dogtags, then by then I hopefully got it down for each class what my fave guns are
since challenges we3re added i havent touched mastery assignments
Mastery assigments in combined arms = eZ
I never did that
Some require the dreaded Objective
I ignore those
Combined arms is for the people who need to cheat lmao
Guys whats the best tactic to get 10 kills in 1 life for the gold plate assignmnent?
And the assignments arent that hard
and gamemode/map
Ayy
Unless you get to the last ones
I usually just do the "in 1 game" parts
But those are with objectives so 
They're usually substantially easier than the "in 1 life" ones
Ye
But sometimes you get Lucky
And its like, thanks I guess
Quits game and takes a new assignment


What are the assignments for the AT rifles
Yikes
the easiest in the game
@solid hinge hoi
Easiest eh
I do everything so gotta use them eventually
AT rifles are still fun, no ttk changes 🌚
AT rifles are terrid. Boys is a chore, Panzerbusche is okay
is there any solution to unlock weapons bug
Given the reports aren't working either it seems entirely dependent on their servers
I used them cause of ToW challenges
Is the throwing knife still unavailable for the Japanese Faction
They have kunais right?
Welll..
But they have to "unlock" presumably
And with the servers borked that ain't happening
M
Who plays bf4 still
I never played it
Bruh
Bf4 bad
Kinda wish I did but it'd be so weird going back now
BF1 was the first I properly played
I hardly touched Bad Company 2 because COD Black Ops was too good
Bf1 was the first bf where i reached the max. rank
BlOps remaster when
I have not used the ZK in a while, used it after 5.2, feels great now
I'd still be playing BlOps if the BC versions weren't modfests
Bo2 is crap
ZK felt good before 5.2
I have always disliked BO2
It was the last when I played regularly
BO2 is fun, if you dont run into those servers with wack ass mods or get some friends
COD never felt the same after that (well technically MW3)
Though I skipped MW3
Why is bf4 bad? @solid carbon
MW3 was like Black Ops -1 for me..
It‘s just not fun at all compared to hardline or bf3
I had a massive jump as I skip console generations a bit. I went from Medal of Honour: Frontlines/Call of Duty: Finest Hour -> Black Ops 1/MW3 -> BF1/BFV
I respect that, Ive had a good time playing bf4 
Finest Hour was amazing
Bf4 was really just bf3 2.0
Bluefield
Finest Hour is really unknown now. Even though it was the first console COD
It feels as if only COD 4+ is acknowledged
Realistically that's when cod boomed in popularity with mw
naturally
!
I mean not to downplay this but I'm sure if even a fraction of the people were upset some asshat would be sending them death threats
Some asshats probably send them death threats when there are no updates
cause people are fucking shitting and pissing themselves over a game being bad
When did this happen?
It's on his twitter
The devs of this game is fucked up ''attack an objective and kill 10 people in 1 life''
turds af
Who remembers playing bo2
Just don't threaten to kill them
Is it for a specific gun?
stg44
I don't but I was smol back then
no cause ppl are stacked
Try to snipe with it if you're having issues with it
campers all corners
jack frags playing with part welsh
When they nerfed the dsr 50, david vondy practically got sent death threats
They just nailed the last nail in the coffin
Why is it cool
those gamers are a real sweaty bunch

Because I have it 
Anybody on here getting the message saying purchase battlefield v even tho I’ve got the disc in 😂😂
Happens sometimes with several games
disc 
😎
just throw the disc away its for your own good
no
LoL

does it though
Yes


the game is bad tho so it doesn't matter if u have disc or digital
Time to get up from my seat, grab the physical copy, eject the previous game, put the previous game in its case, insert the physical copy
Repeat anytime you want to play a different game
The gameplay was so intense, now it's fkin meh, fkin 5.2 TTK and passive spotting
I'm havin' a good time havin' a good time
https://streamable.com/epdlj
dice doesn't care about the community and dice la doesn't work on bfv anymore what a joke of a company
Who works on BFV now?
only advantage of physical is easier resale but even then why would you
Dice la is a support studio for the most part
DICE LA is probably working on the next one atm
stockholm
or helping
You can buy new physical games for a fraction of the price
Plus you own the game and not a licence
depends on where you head
still a joke of a company
Company is a joke confirmed
Yup
Discs nowadays are physical liscences
also regarding physical, I'd much rather not have to carry em around when I bring my xbox places
been a joke since may 23, 2018
I hope they don’t revert the TTK changes
Same
They aren’t
I don't care about wake Island
Yeah they're tweaking it as confirmed
It was confirmed
@icy sluice I tried using dropbox to share and still had permissions issue 
Yeah tweaking is the better move
@solid hinge wtf?
Oh I am not sure if we allow dropbox links, I am sorry
Any other options?
I like the whole tweak approach
Streamable can work
That an app? Didnt see it in the play store
Shows that they're going to stand their ground to get some data
I like this ttk more, but there are some a few guns that I just don't use anymore because of it
It's a website
Gotcha
They really just need to fix the MMGs, FG42, LS28, M1917, and some other weapons but I prefer them actually making weapons feel different
What was the fkin reason to change ttk
In all honesty I find some of the weapons to be less satisfying.
Megabuffed Trench Carbine is an absolute beast now though. I can either shred people close range with fast speed or pick people off long range
and remove passive spotting and the countless other bugs they added with 5.2, maybe i'll think about playing if they do that
I wonder how the fg42 feels up close though
The change the meta of the game
The gameplay was really intense
Since they made it an SMG and all
Gameplay is still intense
its fine
Gameplay feels more intense for me
You just need a bit more tracking skills
@solid hinge shit fk
Essentially an smg with a 20 rnd mag
It's more pewpewshooter
Even if it's good up close you're gonna want a weapon that doesn't turn into literal ass at 20m
Although I guess it depends on the game mode you play
Nerf N-Strike Stampede
the “balanced” and long range smgs are perfectly fine
I do suggest to fill out the survey still
Has only tried the 5.2 Trench Carbine? ‘Tis lethal 😎
ARs are fine, SARs are fine, snipers are fine. It’s just certain weapons and the MMGs. Also some weapons should get a little bit extra range
Everything got moved around in someway
The g43 is a 4hk at range which is nice
What’s the current ToW reward
The skip token?
It was supposed to be lunge mine but they broke it so they had to push it back
Last tow was the Okinawa skin
What day does it change
Thursday
Thursday
Ah makes sense
Like always
I genuinely thought it was like Monday or something
Cant wait for lunge mine suicide attacks
It won’t be suicide in-game
Armory updates on Tuesdays
You'll probably be in the DBNO state
It does a lot of damage to you and you fall onto your back
Armoury is crap. They didn’t even have any CC Soldier items last time I checked
Unless they treat it like a melee kill
I'd be okay even if it suicided as long as it's good.
SARs aren't fine
Garand should not be a 5 shot kill ever
They shouldn't have touched the Garand's damage model, at most a slight reduction in RoF
Wonder how the Lunge Mine will work on infantry
Hmm yeah I wonder what actually triggers the explosion
Like could someone just run into a wall
or is it like AT grenades
inb4 unrevivable death from a Lunge Mine kill
You shot down a helicopter with an RPG while parachuting
Everyone
Please
Fill in the community survey feedback
Let Dice know what you think of the current state of the game
It's already in #game-news :v
@icy sluice Oh. Sorry.
It's fine
I did my part earlier
You're not breaking any rules, just informing you that it's already there
I filled it out myself
Mac how long until I get the "regular" role?
@wanton cairn idiot
@neat heath Loves the new TTK changes
he says its the best BF has ever been
get em boys
best change
The TTK is trash
top upvote
Auto spotting? Amazing
top kek
@viscid crater We, the moderation team vote on who gets regular and who doesn't
I see
@viscid crater You gotta bend over
I just uninstalled the game. If DICE won’t listen to the community, what’s the point in playing
I'm used to that from the marine corps @tribal ledge
lols
@viscid crater thanks for service
Dice does listen to the community
But they dont have to do what the community says
@stoic summit I think because they're trying to go a certain direction they think will help the game. So I guess they're rolling with the punches to get to the end state they want to be at. And thanks
Listening is something different than actually doing
Obviously, the direction they are going is not working
Well they havent reached the end goal yet I guess
No one asked for the changes, and instead of reverting, they are going to a middle ground
They said they want to focus more on individual gun changes and not a global ttk change
Well you can’t get worse than this @viscid crater, so they have to go backwards
That way each gun will actually be, and feel different
Give it some time
That still counts as giving it some time lol
Well you may come back in five months to a game you like again
i do think the community needs to chill a bit on the ttk
I have 750 :v
5.2 it has some blatant flaws but reddit is so toxic now its kind of embarrassing
not to mention those death threats against that dice dev
hell man one year ago they did this exact same thing, and no one liked it
oh
that’s a no
Death Threats is a no
what strikes me as kind of weird is that dice seemed to know alot of the guns got unbalanced in 5.2 but released the patch without changing it anyways
that gets me as well
like, before the patch release they even changed some gun stats around because they already knew it didnt work
they didnt do the assignments either
yeah
like.. they have time to change that, so why did they push it before it was ready
Honestly, as a rather mediocre player I don't buy the "It makes it easier for new players" angle at all.
I felt like the launch/beta balance was much better, in that if I got the drop on someone, I could reliably kill them.
I came back to try the Pacific stuff, and I've already had a number of times where I've had the drop on someone, opened fire, but still died to them whipping around like a T-1000 on crack.
lol
I also feel like the auto-spot is pretty heavily weighted towards veterans as well. They already know where to be looking, so the spot makes it even easier to find people, where new players aren't going to benefit from it because they're not really sure where they need to be focusing.
yo heres a question
tbf the red circle and health bar is pretty big
It's hard to miss, you don't really need to look for it
But you have to be pointing in more or less the right spot for it to show.
Right now it seems like it shows up the moment there's someone on your screen lol
everyone has a fucking dorito on them now
Even if he's behind a wall or a thick smoke
i was told this shit was to go away
I was hyped for BFV specifically because they were talking about low ammo, low TTK, and no 3D spots. Beta felt great aside from vehicle balance. It definitely feels worse to me now as a returning player.
I think they changed those things because they didn't feel it fit the game
like the features turned detrimental for the game
how can you recall a year ago the balance of a game vs now
and beta stg 44 was way op while basically everything else was meh
and smgs had short range
i call bs
He said vehicle balance
he said everything felt great besides vehicle balance, which means what i pointed out he thought was great
@dense bone Beta wasn't perfect but it felt like it was headed in the right direction. I never felt like SMGs were awful at range in beta, just not the best pick.
Which is kinda what they should be.
That said, the caveat for this whole thing is that I'm not a hyper-competitive, ace player. I'm an average one.
thats a fine idea, except almost all the Battlefield maps are wide open
well beta headed in the direction of pre 5.2
I get that for folks who are really, really good, things were different.
Well you don't really expect balance to be good right off the bat
m1907 with no damage and no recoil just feels so sad 
But if the goal of the TTK change was what lots of people are hypothesizing, making it easier for new players, then in my opinion, it's not working.
Generally any cqb gun that's not a medic smg feels bad for me
new ttk isnt easier for new players
the only benefit to new players is that they dont die as fast
its no easier for new players and its not as fun for old players
Basically
lose lose
There are no truly good cqb guns that are worth dropping the medic class for them
less first see first kill
I think DICE knew what the problem was for BFV pre 5.2 patch, at least for breakthrough game mode... ALOT of games, especially at the end of 5.0 were very very campish
Nyph, I agree. But people are saying that DICE's intent was to make it easier for new players.
people dont know what high ttk does
It means that you have to track.
people didn't really have a reason to move even when using SMGs because their weapons were effective at very far ranges anyways
Which inherently favors people with more practice and better recoil control.
I.e. veterans.
they are only saying that because dices first ttk change they said they wanted to make changes for casuals, and now thats lumped together
i wish there was still some semblance of recoil though
dice could say they want to make matches headshot only for casuals and all the ragers would say "what about the veterans"
theres still recoil
I would trade higher btk for higher recoil
its not like the recoil input is literally at 0
if they increased recoil on the weapons intended for close range it wouldve been miles better imo
I'm barely pulling my mouse down
And they did it for the higher btk
I'm not even sure if I'm pulling it at all
Which I can understand
barely pulling mouse down vs pulling it down a lot isnt a difference in skill level though
Tell that to csgo pros
with high ttk headshots have a greater place
csgos patterns top out and go left to right
The recoil sometimes even helps you
Tangentially speaking of tracking, has anyone had issues with their aim acting like it has a ton of inertia? I've tried damned near everything and nothing seems to matter, if I do a fast snap turn, I spin in circles for a few seconds.
I always aim slightly lower than the head
recoil control is a part of skill, but I dont think BFV can be properly compared to CS GO or something where aim means alot more
Do you take everything literally nyph?
reading between the lines is making assumptions
i work off what is given
if your words are not what you meant thats not my fault
Ok so let me make it clear for you, pulling down both the X and Y axis
the skill in CS isn't about muh recoil control
like once you get to a decent level
hrec is just random, people dont want that
pretty much everyone is equally good at recoil control
unless they are fixed patterns
There are people who are very good at spraying, even at pro levels
Get right was a great player for a reason
plus, the whole point of CS recoil patterns are too make the gun super ez to use unless you do a huge magdump
Others are good at praying
like bruh a weapon like the m1907 had enough recoil such that it wasnt effective at long range but now its just a peashooter that doesnt feel at all satisfying to use 
spraying only works with predetermined spray patterns
but CS TTK is pretty fast, so if you're half decent, you don't need to do a magdump
(spray and pray)
There's random bullet deviation
So after you miss the first shot, spraying is important
Well, now less than before
now theres more emphasis on being consistent, and going for the head
You shouldve gone for the head
still here lol
yeh, DICE managed to make BFV gunplay even more braindead
LMB at face
no recoil
Since the patch that changed the accuracy of your gun after a certain amount of bullets you fired before
told you i was gonna here till for a few hours
Since the patch that changed the accuracy of your gun after a certain amount of bullets you fired before

why in the fuck is the sound glitched pleaseeee
your star isnt centered either
it was supposed to be fixed not fucked up even more
Sound glitched?
yeah
You hear only some sounds?
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@midnight nimbus except its mechanically harder now and will differentiate people with better aim
indeed and also headshot makes vehicle destroyed sound

which makes no sense at all
Oh lol what
wtf
Ok I never had the last one, but usually it fixes itself after I die
idk, pretty much everyone ik says BFV is mega easy now
Try to repair your game via origin
well not harder, but better aim is a bigger deciding factor
I sniped a pilot from a plane and it's there now lmao
if you're half decent at the game, you do way better than you did before
typical NA potatoes lol
or actually even EU
if you can headshot more than other people yea its easier
bad ttk?? nahh youre bad
git gud
even regular combat is easier because you can force engagements better than before
if they wanted to make BFV a lil harder to aim i'd increase recoils a little bit where its possible and add more bullet drop to bolt actions and those medic carbines
if you have poo aim now more people are gonna have time to retaliate against you
caught in a bad situation? doesnt matter lol it's 8 bullets until you die just slide away
when all guns are easy to headshot with the difference comes down to players
StG has less recoil than Bren used to 😩
@solid hinge 
reminds me of bf4 times
so again, aim is emphasized
Hide heal and shoot back
i dont get how people try to make claim like it only affects them
my dude ignoring the whole other half of aiming called recoil control

ok that would have been terrifying
@raw orbit according to most there is no recoil control, so how would i ignore something people say doesnt exist?
yeah theres no recoil control in 5.2
Just tapping at their heads
exactly
bren was magdumpable
so you just agreed with what ive been saying cappy...
xfactor meme?
even though you were obviously trying to meme it
what's that
ah haha
except the better player will aim at head before that and win...
what kick
player vs player you rely on skill more now than before
I guess nowadays it's aim for the neck and let the gun kick up to the head after the 5th bullet
the one thing i like about the new TTK is that I feel i can take more chances to be agressive
better player will take model 27 and dink you in the face
Wdym
smarter player takes HVB MG42 and sits in a bush
before 5.2 you die so fast if you ever get caught it deterrs you from actually taking chances and doing agressive moves
With a low ttk you can kill everyone super fast
at least I can SEE the bush camper now
i know right
But still prefer normal guns
0.1 second before he deletes me
not past 25m 

hvb mg42 is my dreamgun now
once I finish my PC build I srsly think I'll reinstall BFV
tanks sound stupid busted now
rly hype
planes were killing me alot
everyone's saying tank v tank is so miserable now that people avoid dueling 😩
i just ignored tanks like usual
@midnight nimbus they are o now
Same
so you can just focus on infy 😩😩🥴
tfw piat does 8 damage to the side of your tiger before you do 70 damage to an archer
tank vs tank is annoying because of supports constantly repairing
I can finally get my 100+ and 0
And 1 piat
weak spots seem to have ludicrously large multipliers while the safe areas mean the damage is negligible
archer was doing like 12 damage a hit to me
that's peanuts
Just to bud in here but no player vs player you don't rely more on skill now... situation has way more to say than skill... and when up against multiple target firepower is more of a deciding factor
@midnight nimbus what map?
usually Arras or Aerodrome
I think aerodrome will be the best
only times I've broken 100 is when I redeploy to get in the doc croc
@exotic bone situational awareness is more emhpasized with low ttk
considering you can just die quickly without retaliation
aerodrome lets your teammates steal your kills too much
arras has the better farm locations
no but with the new TTK, players live longer
and struggle to kill each other more 
What I am saying is that the weapon best suited for the situation will win
@midnight nimbus br mode is the best but u need be lucky
so infy can't steal as much of your kills 😩
Not vs tanks though
weapon best suited has an advantage
you don't need to be lucky in Breakthrough
Aerodrome still has like a bajillion tanks
but i was beating people with fg42 at range since i was headshotting them
just farm hard
Yes noobs
Doesn't it have like, 2 on each side?
> Conquest
there's your problem
not to mention vs multiple people low ttk is better
However many aerodrome breakthrough throws at you as germans
based breakthrough man
@midnight nimbus u need, u have to have noob enemy pilots
shooting gallery
@exotic bone you literally said opposite of whats true about high ttk
I can guarantee you that if I have the superior weapon for the situation against you I will win 10/10 not that it wasn't a bit like that before but it is worse now
Now on Panzerstorm you go above 80-0 on CQ
you know a shit player doesnt just win because he has a better weapon in his hand?
what matters pre 5.2
positioning 20%
situational awareness 20%
tracking 20%
recoil control 20%
weapon choice 20%
what matters post 5.2
tracking 50%
weapon choice 50%
i wouldnt say those percentages are accurate, but idea is
yeah
pre 5.2 sounds better
obviously not accurate statistics lol
ngl;
man if only I could join Asian servers with reasonable ping
but i prefer the wider spread of skills

@midnight nimbus ...
Fast ttk emphasize less on firepower... situational based weapons isn't about the ttk but how they have made them so useless at everything else than was their intended situation
you're in a tank just plonk them
ideal BFV experience is like
you're on Aerodrome attack
enemy has 1-2 hackers
NUT
i love the idea that weapons are meant for intended ranges
other than pre 5.2 you can pick 90% of weapons and they would be fine for 90% of situations
sturmtiger camping on the hill outside the map boundaries 
asian pc servers be like

Your team need to be 5/10 , enemy 7/10 round need to be balanced and u have to be great and have luck
@main grove Post Scriptum, and be wary, it's by Gaijin.
granted im super aggressive and play cqb almost exclusively so this does benefit me
hmm yes
They're uh...well I guess the most polite thing I can say about them is that they make DICE look very responsive to player feedback.
I really don't as you can't control ranges and from a competitive perspective it is pointless to even try doing anything when randomly caught outside of intended use
I play cqb smg medic with max smokes as my main so this didnt affect me too much
Anyways time for bed so good night :)
you can easily control ranges, bfv isnt competitive (even then im in a clan), and if you get caught thats on you, theres lots to do in that situation
is he gone yet?
nopes
ugh
still here dropping truth on fools
@main grove Sorry, I'm getting my WWII shooters mixed up. It's not PS, it's Enlisted.
haha
Post Scriptum is actually good.
especially as medic, you smoke, get cover and spam heal
insurgency free 10- 17 th dec
wait till you get close and blast them
niiiiiiiiiiice
Yeah the shooting in Enlisted/Cuisine royale looks tight as fuck
what kind of name is cuisine royale
sandstorm
It was a joke game
You really can't control ranges you can't know if there is a long range weapon coming around the corner in 100 meters within the next 10 seconds while you run to that cover .. and no there is nothing you can do if you play vs a high skilled player :)
personally when im playing CQB i dont even deviate from my ideal areas unless i have to
But it kindof took off
they porting it now for console release early spring
oh, so it's not one of those 'claim and keep forever' deals right?
don't think so , check out frags new video
awww
i skimmed it
@exotic bone dont be in ranges you cant handle, smoke them off and dont engage until ideal.
they hbave a discord too
How good is sandstorm PC optimization
i joined earlier
from what i've heard it's been rough but , join the discord and ask
@exotic bone theres also very few skilled players that have made me worry
i no longer build so , i gota wait sadly
most people in this game are casual and kinda bad honestly
God damn it, the games on a great sale too!
But I don't want to waste the money on it instead of cyberpunk!
Alright how do you 100% avoid long range weapons from being able to target you on aerodrome? And if you were playing vs a high skilled player you wouldn't get the chance to use the smoke before you were dead :)
Anyways bed now :)
you spend your whole day putting other people down, have you tried therapy?
@exotic bone you say vs high skilled like i cant be high skilled myself
cyber and tlou2 are all ready paid for by me
and you stick to hangar and point D
no brainers
Great choices
> Alright how do you 100% avoid long range weapons from being able to target you on aerodrome? And if you were playing vs a high skilled player you wouldn't get the chance to use the smoke before you were dead :)
acquire Valentine Mk8
got an answer incoming derped
nah
also imagine getting hit by long range rifles and dead in one shot
this post made by console gang
lol
@spare citrus I'm finally taking off, enjoy the break
I have not reached 15 so far
this game is so difficult on me , However I am very good at other fps games
So they aren't reverting the TTK in 5.2 well no shit
Uhh, average kills is like 30-40 depending on the map and gametype tho
Here we go
Also depends on how fast the match was
Just make the FG-42 decent again
There it is
Actually like 25-45
Heard rumors that the tweaks are gonna increase the ttk even further
I do suggest you guys fill out the survey if you hadn't.
Hell just ad the AT effects like before and I'll stfu lol





