battlefield-legacy-titles

[dense bone]

its a game and there are servers

there wouldnt be any tangible reason to not play

[silver tide]

Lol the game plays bad

Quit sucking up to dice

Feels like the division

[dense bone]

gameplay is 99% the same

[soft storm]

Nah

Not the division

Trust me

[silver tide]

Ya

[soft storm]

Division had a better TTK at range than this

[silver tide]

Lmao

[dense bone]

changing ttk and effective range isnt majority of the game

[silver tide]

Damn son

[frozen barn]

It's a shooter, the gunplay is kind of important

[soft storm]

What I expected when they said they wanted to decrease the effective range of weapons was recoil

[dense bone]

gunplay is connected to, but ISNT ttk or effective range

[viscid crater]

Then whats the majority of the game?

[dense bone]

in what sense?

[viscid crater]

Your sense

[soft storm]

Zerging now apparently

[frozen barn]

Nonsense

[dense bone]

because we can talk about all the coding going into a game

and just getting the engine and basic gameplay make up a majority of a game

in that sense ttk is less than 1% of the total picture

[viscid crater]

Is there something wrong with those things?

[dense bone]

in terms of gameplay theres movement, animations, recoil, etc

[frozen barn]

If you could do everything in this game except shoot you do not have 99% of a game

[solid hinge]

recoil is non existent

[dense bone]

you would have a game, just not a fps...

[frozen barn]

It's the core of the game

[dense bone]

shooting is the main identifier of this game, but its not what makes up the bulk of the coding for the game

these are different topics though

[frozen barn]

And if the gunplay is bad, no one gives a shit about the rest of the game. If the gunplay is good, then that's what other parts come into focus

[dense bone]

depends what you want from a game

[frozen barn]

No one goes "well gee they sure coded something akin to a game"

"Look at that groundwork"

[dense bone]

the coding for bf titles is why i play bf titles vs something like MW

MW guns are more my style

but the rest of MW is not to my liking

so im easily someone that looks at other aspects of the game than just gunplay

[fervent knot]

Cant have fun in BFV right now :(

[solid hinge]

I just read the DICE leak tweet thing

They're practically killing themselves at this point

[dense bone]

whats the leak?

[prime pine]

https://twitter.com/Waygyanba/status/1131921464683184130?s=19

Bodie (@Waygyanba)

Mind if i tag along? https://t.co/QuPixU1ZYS

▶ Play video

Twitter

Here's a bit of fun

Can you dm me yank

The thing

[dense bone]

lol nice

[solid hinge]

DICE will not be reverting the ttk

[dense bone]

surprise...

[solid hinge]

Yeah lemme grab a non meme version

[frozen barn]

I mean that wasn't a leak was it

[dense bone]

did people expect that?

[fervent knot]

yeah thinking about what to play :(

[scenic beacon]

@prime pine Y E S

[frozen barn]

Braddock just said it

[scenic beacon]

that was awesome

[prime pine]

Oh right

[solid hinge]

At the current moment at least

[prime pine]

Haha hopefully its a bit of a laugh for you guys

[dense bone]

why would they?

[soft storm]

We will not be reverting the TTK because apparently the TTK is hardcoded to the update itself

[solid hinge]

Well, then I think I'm done with BFV

[dense bone]

have fun with whatever else you play

[solid hinge]

@prime pine I can't dm it

[prime pine]

https://twitter.com/Waygyanba/status/1174648244887932929?s=19

Bodie (@Waygyanba)

https://t.co/lG2nTsiqb9

▶ Play video

Twitter

Oh dms arent open

Ill add you

[dense bone]

this was a much more elaborate update vs the first ttk change, i didnt expect them to revert it

[soft storm]

Just cause you take time on something doesn’t mean it’s inherently good

[frozen barn]

At worst it would mean waiting longer for a reversion since they're have to make a "new" patch that only had the non TTK stuff

[dense bone]

didnt claim that

[solid hinge]

Yeah well the guns are almost all shit so...

[frozen barn]

If they WANTED to revert it

[soft storm]

Just because something is elaborate doesn’t mean it’s gonna work well either

[dense bone]

just because people dont like it doesnt mean its bad

[solid hinge]

Ribbeyrolles is literally the only assault gun besides the stg that's halfway decent

[night glade]

Honestly, they should just revert now then push a better version of it after the holidays. They probably won't be able to make as much change that is need because of the holidays

[pulsar summit]

Make sure to fill out that survey everyone

[solid hinge]

Survey?

[frozen barn]

And the problem there is they're going to nerf all the outlier guns and just make everything spongey

[dense bone]

@night glade they arent after sales a year into the life cycle

[soft storm]

Yes asking why we hate this update

And why we wouldn’t recommend this game

And why we liked pacific

[pulsar summit]

Check #game-news

[topaz dome]

free survey? hooray! \o/

[pulsar summit]

They have a slider for if you're having more fun or less fun since 5.2

[dense bone]

dont see why its a slider

[viscid crater]

I was having fun using the Sten, and now it just get's outgunned so let me go give this survey a big fat 0

[wanton cairn]

Yes, gotem

[solid hinge]

Thing is. I don't mind weapons being rebalanced. Not even heavily. I just don't like that they've made it so the majority of weapons can't deal with snipers even a little bit. And I don't like that the TTK is higher. I really really liked the TTK as it was.

[wanton cairn]

Or you just use the type 100 with hip fire spec

Out snipe snipers

[dense bone]

why would anything outside of ranged weapons be able to deal with a ranged only weapon though?

[oak atlas]

game bad me amgery

[hoary creek]

can someone show me the worst performing gun in a video after 5.2ttk

[oak atlas]

reeee

[brave garnet]

This TTK change isin't catering for christmas noobs, its catering for campers with AT rifles and bolts and semi auto tryhards

[dense bone]

@hoary creek most people ive seen point to fg42

[hoary creek]

anyone have a video of it?

[dense bone]

but honestly its not bad, just dont use it at range like dice says not to do

[frozen barn]

It's a shooter, all the guns are "ranged" weapons

[dense bone]

ok technically sure

but you know i mean far range

[wanton cairn]

You guys also realize that the MG42 with fast bullets is still 3-4BTK right?

[hoary creek]

a video of it?

[solid hinge]

[soft storm]

Yep

[hoary creek]

so i can see?

[green elm]

but i want to use weapons at dumb ranges and complain

[frozen barn]

No gun should turn into a pea shooter at 20m

[hoary creek]

did they change m1 garand ttk?

[echo turtle]

Westie already made a video on the MG42

[frozen barn]

Yes

[solid hinge]

Then clearly you dont do enough research

[dense bone]

i mean, under what logic?

[hoary creek]

how much

[brave garnet]

I don't want to use my MG42 and shoot someone 20m away

[wanton cairn]

Yes, by 1 bullet

[solid hinge]

Nobody cares about westie

Hes a bum.

A friend of mine had a nightmare about the 5.2

[dense bone]

its a game, theres no rules for what works where and why other than the devs decisions

[viscid crater]

Garand is 3-4 btk at 20m and beyond

[brave garnet]

I want to shoot that filthy camper that's 200m away

[dense bone]

use the ZH

[solid hinge]

Then go run up to him.

... What?

[brave garnet]

@dense boneew

[solid hinge]

Dont be afraid.

[brave garnet]

No

[dense bone]

why ew?

zh is 2btk

[solid hinge]

What do you mean no rules for what works?

[wanton cairn]

ZH user yikes

[brave garnet]

@dense boneno

I tried it before and I don't like it

[solid hinge]

I did the survey

[viscid crater]

M1 garand is better than zh

[polar totem]

At first I thought that it was just okay, but then I tried playing medic and it was not okay

[dense bone]

@solid hinge irl rules and logic doesnt apply to games

[brave garnet]

Whenever I kill a ZH user I tbag them with my squad

[solid hinge]

They ain't reverting it back lol

[wanton cairn]

Good

Lol

[polar totem]

It just doesn't feel good anymore

[wanton cairn]

Fuck ZH

[solid hinge]

I hope to God they actually read responses

No, but there are tools to analyse game design

[viscid crater]

ZH has a less starting range for damage than garand

[dense bone]

tools?

what tools?

[solid hinge]

ATOMS is a tool for analysing gameplay loops for instance

[dense bone]

@brave garnet because its a good gun?

[polar totem]

And another thing, why can't dice do a CTE for this game?

[solid hinge]

I'm sure majority of the dice team is working on the next battlefield game.

[brave garnet]

Now all I do is run my P08 and mow people down with it

Hahahaha

[frozen barn]

@solid hinge Which makes it even dumber they're "shaking up the meta" as it were

[solid hinge]

MDA is another tool for analysing game design

[frozen barn]

This isn't Overwatch or Siege, you can't rewrite the game very year to keep things fresh when you're about to pump out another game

[dense bone]

theres no rules they cant..

(losing players is in their best interest honestly)

[solid hinge]

Lol, why they cant do what the battlefront 2 team did?

Lmao

Battlefront 2 team listened to the community

Meanwhile:

How is losing players in their best interest?

[viscid crater]

It's not

[solid hinge]

Dice: Y'all hear something?

[dense bone]

its a free live service, the only source of income this late into its life cycle are random buys that will account for less than 5% of their total revenue.

at this point keeping the community is only making them pay for servers

[solid hinge]

Or... Micro transactions

I might just get dayz and delete BF5 for it lol

[dense bone]

which will account for less than 5% of their total revenue

[solid hinge]

I bought bfv because I felt like DICE would be a good company that doesn't censor and listens to the community

That's just sad lol.

I was wrong

[dense bone]

you reallly think that many people are buying cosmetics?

[solid hinge]

Micro transactions actually usually make up a majority of the total revenue of a game

I brought BF5 so I can give DICE my money to use to improve the game.

[dense bone]

@solid hinge they really did listen to the community up until now

[brave garnet]

If they keep the MG42 to do 13dmg, they should remove the first shot recoil thing they added and, do the same for all MMG's

[frozen barn]

Uh that's why Micro Transactions are still a thing

beacuse people do buy them

[rare ermine]

Losing players that complain is greatly in Dice’s interest.

[vapid fjord]

I still don't understand why people dislike the TTK changes this much. I understand people dislike the spotting changes, so do I. But why ttk lol

[dense bone]

@solid hinge dont think fortnite and apex make up all scenarios

[frozen barn]

That's why GTA V is still making content

[solid hinge]

No, this is the case for most games

GTA V is a cash cow lmao

[dense bone]

most, doesnt mean bfv falls under that

[vapid fjord]

I found it pretty good, nerf to all the camping MMGs

[solid hinge]

Okay, would love to see your sources on that

[dense bone]

just using logic other games are f2p and have millions of players

[soft storm]

Don’t get why they didn’t just jack up the recoil on a ton of MMG’s

[dense bone]

bfv has neither

[frozen barn]

You get into a lobby where several people aren't phantom of the opera and I'd be surprised

[solid hinge]

@dense bone you fail to realize that hatred moves over. I bet there will be extreme hostility and skepticism when/if the next Battlefield game is released. Many people will refuse to buy the game over PTSD from Battlefield V

[dense bone]

not only that they dont have the range of options for cosmetics like other games

[vapid fjord]

I've been happy before the patch and after the 5.2 patch the only thing I dislike is the spotting changes

[solid hinge]

And that's a fact

[dense bone]

@solid hinge you realize MOST people that get this game are casual and have already left it and will buy the next one

[soft storm]

So they jacked up it’s recoil and made it do shit damage

Great

Amazing job

[solid hinge]

Casuals see flaws and refuse service

[dense bone]

game has at least 8 million sales, those 2k upvotes on reddit being angry are a drop of water to an ocean

[solid hinge]

I was a cod casual until they fucked everything up. I haven't played a cod since and I've stuck with Battlefield until now

[dense bone]

id bet most casuals didnt even know there was a ttk change

[vapid fjord]

I feel like most of the people complaining about TTK changes are people that don't do well before the patch anyways

[woven lake]

i don't want teh game to die before i upgrade my pc i wanan see the russian faction get added

[solid hinge]

I'm fairly certain there are

[brave garnet]

@solid hingei hip fire people with light bolt using the MG42

[solid hinge]

Especially when the M1 GARAND takes 4 shots past 20m

[viscid crater]

I always said the same thing, that players before the patch likely weren't good to begin with.

However I have notices subtleties in the changes

I used to only use the Sten, and STG. Now the Sten seems to kill slower

BF is so easy

[dense bone]

@viscid crater player before patch werent good to begin with?

[solid hinge]

Oh boy

[frozen barn]

I notice I haven't been killed by an SMG that wasn't the Type 100 XD

[viscid crater]

To me a tleast

[dense bone]

and they have a certain view or what?

[solid hinge]

So much whining and crying from the battlefield community lately

[vapid fjord]

People just gotta adapt to the TTK, I only use suomi before the patch, now I switch to MAB38

[dense bone]

^

^^

[vapid fjord]

and I'm still doing pretty good

[gray saffron]

join my matches, elite, I use mp40/sten/thompsons and ..uhh..type 100 😦

[soft storm]

So one meta to another

[viscid crater]

That's what I did Crave

I just switched to the MP34

[brave garnet]

Sten.... ew

[full birch]

BFV is trash.

[soft storm]

Instead of their envisioned “variety”

[vapid fjord]

Good players won't care about these TTK changes, its the spotting that gets me

[dense bone]

its been a week, you think it takes a week to reach a goal like this?

[viscid crater]

There are good plyers who are critical, but they're going to continue being good

[solid hinge]

Might as well change it to Femalefield since most of the boys here act like females over a game that shouldn't had been released in 2018 lol

I'm a good player and these changes are bad

[shy badger]

There are plenty of good players that cared about this change

[frozen barn]

That doesn't mean the update is good though

[solid hinge]

End of story

@vapid fjordIt's not about the TTK, it's about the fact that Dice doesn't listen to the community

[dense bone]

up until now they did

[viscid crater]

But good players will still be good players

[full birch]

DICE had NEVER listened.

[solid hinge]

They only care about numbers

[dense bone]

they reverted old ttk, changed smgs, nerfed sars

[solid hinge]

The overwhelming majority of the community despises this patch

[dense bone]

5.2 is the only situation where you can say dice hasnt listened to the community

[solid hinge]

Then stop playing it and play something else lol.

[vapid fjord]

[rare ermine]

Reddit is not the community though.

[solid hinge]

Its not DICE

[dense bone]

deep is right

[solid hinge]

It's not just Reddit...

It's the fucking higherups in DICE and EA

@full birchTrue, but this was one of the worst updates in bf history

[dense bone]

that cesspool of 2k people on reddit dont make a majority

[full birch]

Yes

[rare ermine]

The people that complain are the minority.

[solid hinge]

I'm sure the developers are being driven crazy at this point.

I don't use Reddit normally and even the YouTuber communities despise it

[vapid fjord]

people that complains have the loudest voice

[solid hinge]

And there was backlash before the update went live

[dense bone]

you think youtube and reddit are exclusive?

[rare ermine]

Still a very small portion.

[vapid fjord]

making themselves looks like the majority

[solid hinge]

No

[vapid fjord]

[viscid crater]

It definitely is a shitty update as far as balancing guns go

[solid hinge]

That's not what I'm saying

[dense bone]

lets assume they are exclusive, thats still not man ypeple

[viscid crater]

it was the main theme of it

[dense bone]

of course its not balanced, its been a week

why do people expect balance in a week?

[frozen barn]

They've had a fucking year to work on this dude.

[rare ermine]

Dice could lose every single you tuber, twitch, Reddit user and it wouldn’t matter at all.

[solid hinge]

Look update sucks and almost everyone hates it. You are the overwhelming minority

[viscid crater]

Because that was the point in the update

[frozen barn]

They didn't just shit out a new game and go "well lets start from scratch"

[dense bone]

@frozen barn they had a year on balancing PRE 5.2

[viscid crater]

Also, games been out a year

[solid hinge]

Because the battlefield community is full of boys who act like females

They said it will help new players,but now they cant even get a kill anymore

That constantly demand this and that.

[viscid crater]

Everything has lead up to 5.2 nyph

[full birch]

Nobody has to say it, bf tells everyone openly that it sucks. Sadly it is still the best balanced fps. Very sad.

[vapid fjord]

because people that like or don't care about the patch won't speak up

cuz there's no point

[dense bone]

5.2 has been live for a week, you think they were doing internal balance for this patch for a year?!

[vapid fjord]

its only the people that don't like the patch have to make their voice heard

[dense bone]

cmon you guys cant be that dumb

[solid hinge]

We dont need to speak up lol

Let the numbers drop.

Simple

@solid hingeYup

they said they'd been doing it for months

[viscid crater]

every patch is just a revision of the last

[frozen barn]

Patches are balance changes to games, not totally new games you have to balance around.
Do patches need adjustments sometimes? Yes.

[solid hinge]

plus this is built on top of the previous stats

[dense bone]

doing it for months isnt the same as it being live for a week

[viscid crater]

5.2 wasn't envisioned a year ago lmao

It's a culmination

[solid hinge]

they're still relevant in determining the current stats

[night glade]

Gonna be honest, they should've done the major rebalance after the holidays so they can work on it properly

[full birch]

@dense bone you probably one of those mmg players who hides and get 5 kills in the game, and is satisfied.

[solid hinge]

Welp

[viscid crater]

^

[solid hinge]

i really like it when people say nyphon is an mmg camper

[dense bone]

@full birch LOL this server has about a 1% chance of being better than me

[solid hinge]

I'm sure after christmas some of us won't be even touching bfv

[noble whale]

how do you change team? in the new custom match

[solid hinge]

[full birch]

LOL

Bet

[dense bone]

about 1/10 of my playtime is affected by firestorm stats

[full birch]

Oof

[viscid crater]

And strawman

[frozen barn]

https://battlefieldtracker.com/bfv/profile/origin/orangenyphon/
Unfortunately he probably is better than most of you

[full birch]

Firestorm is gay, and so are you.

[solid hinge]

https://twitter.com/PartWelsh/status/1204449898252374022?s=19

[dense bone]

https://battlefieldtracker.com/bfv/profile/origin/orangenyphon/overview?ref=discord

[solid hinge]

If dice didnt add firestorm, we would be in chapter 6 right now.

at least he isnt on the verge of being muted

[vapid fjord]

https://battlefieldtracker.com/bfv/profile/origin/crraved/overview?ref=discord

welp this is me

[solid hinge]

@full birch do that again and I flex the orange

[dense bone]

ive seen MAYBE 5 people have better stats than myself

[vapid fjord]

and I'm happy about the ttk changes

lol

[solid hinge]

My dad survived the war in afghanistan only because dice released the 5.2 patch

Idc about the ttk changes lol

Stopped using guns while ago

[full birch]

2.55 KD??? LMAO my trash account is 2.20, and my main is 3.50

Rip

[solid hinge]

Only melee people now.

[dense bone]

you think kd is a measure of anything?

you can go 5-1 every game and have a 5 kdr

[full birch]

It is something, all your stats are bad though. So...

[dense bone]

xD

[solid hinge]

[echo turtle]

Firestorm had some really good potential

Are they going to be used in a job interview?

[dense bone]

if i have bad stats most people are absolute trash

[full birch]

You can? Hide in a corner

[solid hinge]

all your stats are bad
consistently in the top 1%

[full birch]

My point

[echo turtle]

Also late post

[vapid fjord]

ez

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/446371403445436426/654024074682695719/crraved.png

[solid hinge]

dude

come on

Tanks Is for cowards lol

[dense bone]

im top 1% POST FIRESTORM STATS

[echo turtle]

How about you then dude?

[full birch]

Oof

[dense bone]

had 685 spm before firestorm, almost 2kpm, kd has stayed the same

[echo turtle]

If you talk the talk you gotta walk the walk

[solid hinge]

Idk about you guys but tanks in bf5 are to easy to kill

[dense bone]

top 1% for dmg per min

[solid hinge]

[dense bone]

youre tripping if youre trying to say im bad

[solid hinge]

Alot easier than in bf1

Well alone that is

[frozen barn]

zoop https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/446371403445436426/653970801875484695/elite1111111111.png

[echo turtle]

Soloing a tank currently

[solid hinge]

Tanks at the moment are borderline invincible

because bugs!

[shy badger]

Bugs?

[gray saffron]

tanks are bugged?

[solid hinge]

Anti tank launchers do like.. 10 damage atm

[vapid fjord]

thats normal

[viscid crater]

I did 8 with tnt

[shy badger]

That's intended

[solid hinge]

Good fucking luck busting anything with 10 damage

[shy badger]

Right?

[viscid crater]

Like on the turret

[coral fiber]

Finished the survey

[viscid crater]

Which is a critical hit

[solid hinge]

@solid hingeWell yeah, but the tank drivers are mostly lobotomites

[echo turtle]

Ah fuck, I can't believe they've done this

[solid hinge]

braddock said it was wack when he was in here earlier so I'm assuming it's not intended

[coral fiber]

Noooo no nerfing tanks

[full birch]

Bro... Let's just 1v1 in a private server tonight? @dense bone

[frozen barn]

I was doing like almost 30 on chonky tanks yesterday with the piat

[raw orbit]

[echo turtle]

Nerf them or suffer

[solid hinge]

Were you hitting them in the ass?

[coral fiber]

Tanks should stay beefy

[dense bone]

i only 1v1 with no scope on rust, 360 final kill to win @full birch

[scenic beacon]

I, for one, am enjoying getting back at the piat assaults, but i see why its unbalanced. I'll enjoy my sweet revenge while it lasts

[solid hinge]

Tiger seemed invulnerable from all angles other than behind

[full birch]

Lmao

Coward

[coral fiber]

Isn't that right irl

[echo turtle]

So about that m1 bazooka

[full birch]

I only do this, I only do that. Yeah

[frozen barn]

I'm excited to see how the lunge mine works if we ever get it

[dense bone]

fact is, you said im an mmg camper that sucks, i dont camp at all, i maybe have an hour with mmgs in total, and all per min stats are basically top 3%.. your wrong dude

[solid hinge]

tfw explosive bayonet

[frozen barn]

Stand 300m away with a javalin?

[coral fiber]

I thought bf4 tanks were bad?

[full birch]

Lol

[scenic beacon]

@solid hinge Y E S

[frozen barn]

BF4 tanks were good but soloable

[full birch]

And why I said, let's prove that

1v1

[dense bone]

if you can beat me in a 1v1 that means youre better in a 1v1 situation

[solid hinge]

How is a 1v1 the opposite of camping

[scenic beacon]

@solid hinge beard kit when

[dense bone]

which i predict would mean you turn to camping and cheesing me to win

[solid hinge]

someone will squat in a building until the other one rolls up

[full birch]

OK, so? Bring me a challenge @dense bone

[solid hinge]

[dense bone]

where are your stats?

[echo turtle]

Yeah

[solid hinge]

@scenic beacon explosive beard

[prime pine]

For the love of god can this chat please not be a fuckfest

[scenic beacon]

beard banzai

[solid hinge]

Y'all done comparing sizes?

[prime pine]

BANZAI

[raw orbit]

do it for the drama

[prime pine]

Boom stick will be hilarious

[full birch]

https://battlefieldtracker.com/bfv/profile/origin/RforRel0ad

[dense bone]

i only responded

[frozen barn]

Especially since you can apparently live through it

[prime pine]

I just hope they'll make it so it can destroy walls

[tranquil citrus]

Are the community games only on pc?

[prime pine]

So it triggers on walls

No its on console too

[tranquil citrus]

Thanks

[dense bone]

1.33 kpm and 333 spm.. seems your camping

[full birch]

Lol

[vapid fjord]

[dense bone]

those are passive numbers to boost a kdr

[frozen barn]

Yikes

[solid hinge]

Ugh

[full birch]

Look at my top gun? Cannot camp with that

[raw orbit]

1v1

[full birch]

You are a loser. And will not accept a challenge, because you know you will lose.

[dense bone]

you cant go 333spm and 1.3 kpm and not play safe

[full birch]

Oof

I do

[solid hinge]

I want to commit redeploy

[full birch]

Bet

[frozen barn]

Also your top gun is the best ranged SMG of course you can camp with it

[viscid crater]

nyph do you play on PC?

[full birch]

Dude

[dense bone]

yee dunn

[full birch]

You know nothing

And why not we test this?

[dense bone]

wait your kdr is 2.22

[prime pine]

I got better stats!

[full birch]

You seriously afraid?

[dense bone]

i thought it was higher

[solid hinge]

high k/d with low kpm means you ain't moving round much

[full birch]

I said 2.20 my main

My alt is 3.50

[prime pine]

High k/d / high spm means all general

[viscid crater]

I only have 4 days on BF5

[dense bone]

oh yea, the default "main" account

[vapid fjord]

[viscid crater]

lol

[solid hinge]

ewww he's a tdm main

[full birch]

OK boomer

[viscid crater]

I didn't play bf5 until really recently

[dense bone]

hes a tdm main?!

[prime pine]

Tdm is fucked

[solid hinge]

🤢

[exotic pier]

Anybody else having trouble with the EU servers? Games are not starting

[raw orbit]

1v1 me smash i dare u nerds

[solid hinge]

Can you stop with those emojis @vapid fjord

[viscid crater]

I want to see if anyone has better BF4 stats than me

[full birch]

Tdm is where the skill is. Every situation is fight. You guys probably hide with a tank.

[vapid fjord]

please mute me

[prime pine]

https://battlefieldtracker.com/bfv/profile/xbl/Waygyanba/overview

[vapid fjord]

feel free to do so

[prime pine]

Dont need to tank to do well

[solid hinge]

Sometimes low spm means they're in TDM a lot cause no objective score, but your kpm should be higher because all you do is shoot people

@vapid fjordIt's bcz theyre gifs thats all

[frozen barn]

Especially as a medic

[full birch]

Seriously... Conquest is gay

[prime pine]

Get good

Lol

[viscid crater]

I love conquest

[full birch]

No skill

0

[solid hinge]

Yeah, well, my record in Tetris DS endless marathon is 3.8 million, fight me

[full birch]

Oof

[exotic pier]

@solid hinge do you know why and or how long it'll be down?

[solid hinge]

1.33kpm in tdm only is pretty low tee bee aych

[echo turtle]

Because it forces you to run around to PTFO

[solid hinge]

Then why the fuck are you playing bf5

also this is your last warning

[prime pine]

Yeah guys, Running around and defending objectives takes no skill.

[solid hinge]

Just play cod ffs

[raw orbit]

https://battlefieldtracker.com/bfv/profile/origin/kappanicus judge me nerds 😎

[full birch]

Cod ttk is toxic

And dumb

[solid hinge]

!warn 398893632603553793 stop using gay as an insult

[ruby trail]

Warned RforRel0ad#7819 (Case #5177) (user notified with a direct message)

[frozen barn]

I miss outpost, it was the only gamemode where defending was worth doing

[full birch]

What?

[prime pine]

No offence cappy but you dont play as much so its kinda hard to judge

[echo turtle]

I didn't like outpost from the 1/3 of the matches I played

[coral fiber]

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[prime pine]

Outpost is actually not bad

[raw orbit]

i said judge me

[prime pine]

Fine then

I will

[frozen barn]

Problem with Outpost was too few maps so it got old fast

[solid hinge]

Outpost suffered from VEHICLES

[raw orbit]

[prime pine]

You dont play the game long enough you fucking nerd

[solid hinge]

tanks literally broke outpost

[frozen barn]

Also Mercury was way too easy to win by having the objective with the cannons

[prime pine]

There

[solid hinge]

@coral fiber mate your Xbox name made me die inside

[coral fiber]

Lol

[raw orbit]

oof

bf5 isnt my main game

[coral fiber]

Get memed on lmfao

[viscid crater]

Me either

[solid hinge]

you held C on mercury so you got those pak40s that blew up two other towers and that one point was technically 3

[prime pine]

Now i feel bad

[raw orbit]

guess ill commit redeploy

[solid hinge]

then the tank could blow up every single tower on the map

[frozen barn]

Yep, made those 100 wins supes easy

[coral fiber]

I have 585 hours
What the fuck

[prime pine]

Haha

[viscid crater]

I wish I had more time played on BF5

[prime pine]

I got 1156

[solid hinge]

tfw your tiger outdamages the 14 people on the other side building a tower

[coral fiber]

The rarely have time to play lol

[prime pine]

I cant wait to blow towere

[frozen barn]

I believe they said recently they changed outpost

[prime pine]

Towers

[frozen barn]

Dunno if it was in the patch notes or broadcast or what

[echo turtle]

In what way? More cover?

[coral fiber]

Finals is next week

[prime pine]

Yeah. Mainly the fact that there are no bombers

[coral fiber]

[solid hinge]

They did mention in the patch notes it seems a lot better

[viscid crater]

I haven't played much BF5 but

https://battlefieldtracker.com/bf4/stats/xboxone/llDUNN

[coral fiber]

Im gunna cry

Why

I hate finals

[viscid crater]

Lol

[prime pine]

It makes me sad because i really wanted to see how well the ju88c could do to a tower

[solid hinge]

No bombers, fighters and tanks only spawn when enemy is closer to winning, towers have more HP

[warm atlas]

Just demolished that survey.

[solid hinge]

#1 reason not to roll back patch 5.2: It would remove any references to smörgåstårta, and that would make me sad

[prime pine]

Guess the mosquito MK FB VI and the stuka b2 will fare enough

[solid hinge]

Nice BAR, it would be a shame if you needed 10 bullets to kill an enemy

[frozen barn]

Hey now, 20m is a long range engagement

[coral fiber]

B2 is fucking broken dude @prime pine
The hits don't register
Its that horrible plane bug again

[echo turtle]

All I need is 2 Germans

[frozen barn]

According to some people

[prime pine]

Oh

[echo turtle]

Long range engagement is 75-300ish

[solid hinge]

100 m in long range but aight

[prime pine]

You used it against infy though?

The bar is a 15 HKO max

[frozen barn]

Sorry if that wasn't clearly sarcastic

[coral fiber]

[rare ermine]

20m is pretty far, trying to not get shot yourself

[prime pine]

But lets not go to this cancerous TTK talk

[echo turtle]

Homie

[prime pine]

For the love of our sanity

[solid hinge]

@prime pineNo

[echo turtle]

This ttk is so fucking garbage

So much so that I enjoy it

[frozen barn]

Aw yiss here we go again

[coral fiber]

Aight boutta roll in my Panzer 38T and destroy y'all

It's a good fucking tank

[prime pine]

Unless you want the chat to be the same toxic dump and have the same sorta people bitch about it. Thats fine. Whatever.

[frozen barn]

Please stop fucking the tanks

[coral fiber]

No

[echo turtle]

But the spotting

[prime pine]

No

[coral fiber]

[solid hinge]

No

[prime pine]

I will not stop fucking your tank

[echo turtle]

Why does it show the direction the enemy is looking in

[frozen barn]

Because raisins

[coral fiber]

The autocannon 👌

[solid hinge]

@echo turtleNewbies

[prime pine]

It was like that in the other battlefieds

[solid hinge]

For the new players

[prime pine]

Dont see the problem with it

[raw orbit]

autocannons

[echo turtle]

I've never felt so damned paranoid when I see that you were spotted thing

[coral fiber]

The s mines
😩😩😩👌👌👌👌👌

[frozen barn]

Not really a problem I just don't think it was necessary

[coral fiber]

😩

[prime pine]

Try panzer 4

[raw orbit]

[coral fiber]

👌

[prime pine]

Pilot

With the same things

[coral fiber]

No

[prime pine]

Sure its not fast

[coral fiber]

Idk why but i don't like it

[prime pine]

But the lethality of the cannon and the armour helps so much

Fair enough

[coral fiber]

I only like the p 38t and tiger

Sorry it's just personal preference

[raw orbit]

i alwasy pick the wrong vehicles ever since they changed it :)

can they make the mosquito not look exactly like the blenheim thank you for listening to my ted talk

they should just bring back the old vehicle spawn system

like from bf4 and whatever]

shit was perfect

[echo turtle]

Wish it equipped the weapon I just specced or put attachments on

[raw orbit]

floating tigers

ok bf5cord

squad reinforcements not jsut disappearing after 10 seconds whennn

next best thing

[prime pine]

Sturmtiger

STURMTIGER

RUUUUUN

[raw orbit]

a few more levels

until i can get brawler

and stop playing

[frozen barn]

Anyone had it where you spawn as a tanker without a tank since update

I've seen it twice though both times were on Mercury Frontlines for the ruins-side team when you've pushed them back, so it might be specific to that

[raw orbit]

goood

the madsen is so damn op

im telling you dudes

it doesnt feel fair using it

[forest wadi]

So what’s the new meta now ?

[gloomy kraken]

I hate the team bases in this Game, some maps dont have any cover at all.

Spawned on a Tiger tank but i get stuck in the Clouds and after a minute i have been killed by a Churchill across the fucking map!

So my tank spawned but my camera stays in the Sky

[raw orbit]

pick weapon with less ranged drop off

this is the meta now

[forest wadi]

So pretty much bolt actions

[gloomy kraken]

Woulnt needed a tank if there werent an assault, medic and support camping on our base border bushes.

[dense bone]

if you play at range yea

if someone get close and they have a close weapon they will win

should win*

[frozen barn]

But close is 5m so you're good

[gloomy kraken]

Like Why cant they add the BF4 mechanism that map spots you if you are too close or inside the enemy base.

[dense bone]

i mean i was winning with fg42 up to probably 20m

[frozen barn]

FG42 and other "close" guns get another BTK like every 5m up to a certain point, so they get poop pretty fast

[dense bone]

yea, if i wasnt landing headshots at range it took half a clip to kill people

just dont shoot 🤷

[forest wadi]

So smgs are dead for mid range combat

Just like at launch

R.i.p

[dense bone]

some smgs are apparently fine at range

[raw orbit]

the way i see it is you can be either good at cqb and trash everywehre else
or okay at cqb and godlike everywhere else

[dense bone]

@raw orbit probably how its balanced right now yea, but you can influence your engagement range

[forest wadi]

So STG 44 is the most viable since it can manage both yeah ???

[dense bone]

stg is popular right now, same with ribeye iirc

[raw orbit]

stg and ribeye i think are best assaults

[forest wadi]

I heard its recoil was reduced

[frozen barn]

Except for scout guns and bolt action carbines, most classes have like 2 good guns

[modern sedge]

For almost all guns, yeah

[raw orbit]

alkl the recoil has gone poof yes

[modern sedge]

recoil was reduced

[raw orbit]

well boys we did it recoil is no more

[solid hinge]

Meta is pick long range weapon and use revolver up ose

Both of those are shit now

poor breda

[forest wadi]

I liked the Breda a lot too

Oof

[dense bone]

unless you were consistently 1 tapping, isnt the change marginal?

[forest wadi]

Good thing I mained the STG 44 for 99% of assault career though so I guess I’m not really affected

[solid hinge]

It felt far worse to use

[dense bone]

i thought it was up 1btk

it should work the same for people that were 2 bursting, ie 90% of people

[main grove]

They have made long range weapons too powerful in this compared to others

[raw orbit]

winterkrieg on aerodrome

[dense bone]

long range weapons other than zh and selb 1906 were shit before though

[main grove]

They need to increase the range of the "short" weapons just a little bit

[frozen barn]

I liked the model 8

[dense bone]

model 8 isnt ranged

its 2btk under 50m

[solid hinge]

Bren and Madsen were good, the semis were good, the jungle carbine existed

[dense bone]

or was, idk what it is now

[raw orbit]

yoo i can just fearlessly run right through the airfield now with no cares in the world

[terse lintel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKRmVtcne3E

[solid hinge]

I can't think of a long range weapon that was shit before

even the selb 1916 felt nice

big chunks

[terse lintel]

m1a1

[frozen barn]

The weaker snipers have the same damage as the strong SLRs

I thought those were kinda meh

[terse lintel]

I atleast, felt like I had to dump an entire mag into people

[dense bone]

im talking specialized long range like bolts

[solid hinge]

tfw ZH did 52 damage and krag did 54

The bolts are still shit compared to the ZH and selb 1906 though

[frozen barn]

Yeah but you used the krag solely because the reload animation is cool

[dense bone]

i assume rankest talking about powerful long range were in regards to bolts

[frozen barn]

Stats dont matter

[solid hinge]

god it's cool

[raw orbit]

and i can just spray through smoke and farm kills and never run out of ammo

[solid hinge]

i love the krag

I genuinely forget the bolts are supposed to be long range weapons so that's on me

[dense bone]

yea, zh and selb make bolts useless unless youre a headshot god

[modern sedge]

I miss viable mid range bolts

[dense bone]

shouldnt they be more viable now?

[echo turtle]

Ye, indirect buff

[solid hinge]

You get dunked on by people using the model 27 now

[dense bone]

less guns occupy its space

[solid hinge]

[dense bone]

what is model 27?

[prime pine]

Revolver

[solid hinge]

The new revolver

[dense bone]

ah

[echo turtle]

The murican cowboy revolver

[prime pine]

357. Revolver

[dense bone]

is it out?

[prime pine]

Tow reward

[solid hinge]

2 hit kill/one shot headshot up to 30 metres

[modern sedge]

It's a tow reward

[dense bone]

dayummm

[solid hinge]

108rpm

[dense bone]

oof

[solid hinge]

It's like a pocket medic carbine

[modern sedge]

It's a fucking machine under the current ttk

[dense bone]

interesting

ill probably suck with it

[solid hinge]

It also dunks in current ttk

[dense bone]

i cant deal with pressure of landing a vital single shot

[solid hinge]

You use the model 8!!!

[dense bone]

i have 5 shots

[modern sedge]

Tbf 2 body shots

[dense bone]

and need to land 2

[solid hinge]

That thing has two kills a mag if you're lucky

[dense bone]

yea, thats fine

but when its a slow vital land this shot or die

i freeze

[swift silo]

So, has anyone else issues with Battlefield V Pacific War Multiplayerß

?*

[solid hinge]

im giggling

[woven crypt]

No

Headshots are the only way to kill now

[frozen barn]

No but you see TTK is the same because we increased BTK and did nothing else

Wait no

[dense bone]

why are you giggling? @solid hinge

[spare citrus]

insurgency sandstorm , free to play dec10-17......what a coincidence

[swift silo]

people just keep leaving so no single game can be started.

[solid hinge]

Only person in the world who isnt under pressure with the model 8

[raw orbit]

yall ever look at the killfeed

type 100
type 100
type 100
jungle carbine
ribeyerolles
model27

[spare citrus]

sten , stg

bout it

[solid hinge]

more people should be using the webley right now

[dense bone]

model 8 is borderline too vital

actually with its low rof i was kind of choking

i like spammy or automatic weapons

[solid hinge]

They shrunk you..

[frozen barn]

I like RSC cus 6 bullets

[dense bone]

i didnt like the irons on the rsc

on paper i should have liked the rsc more, but i didnt

[prime pine]

Rsc was great at first

Now its crap

I used it for the bayonet

[raw orbit]

THE MAB IS FUCKING RIDICULOUS

[prime pine]

Slr plus bayonet? Yes please

[dense bone]

no thank you

[frozen barn]

Bayonets in this game are annoying

[raw orbit]

great at cqb
godlike at range
medic so you always have enough time to run to cover and heal
its not fair

[solid hinge]

it's ok you can use the mp34

[dense bone]

which guns are those?

[solid hinge]

it deserves this time to shine

[wanton cairn]

Glad to see this is still going lol

[raw orbit]

my kd is finally going above 2 now that i can just mindlessly point and shoot and run around without consequence and i dont like it

[tidal kindle]

I've found how to fix the TTK, just uninstall BFV then install and play BF1, it has serveral maps and game modes

[wanton cairn]

I found how to play in the new TTK, stop being shit

[midnight nimbus]

just use the broken MG42

or jungle carbine

[tidal kindle]

I don't wanna prone playing @midnight nimbus

[wanton cairn]

hahaha

he hasnt tried it clearly

Fast bullets spec on MG42 can 3-4BTK while hip firing

see if you actually played the game instead of complaining you'd know this

[tidal kindle]

they broke the medic class, impossible to duel a sniper

[wanton cairn]

Look hes still going

[tidal kindle]

12 BTK with ZK past 80

[wanton cairn]

Imagine not adapting to a new meta and just complain instead

[dense bone]

it should be impossible for a medic smg user who can self heal to duel and win a sniper at that range...

[tidal kindle]

Been playing since BF3, but i'm so dissapointed by DICE's choices

[wanton cairn]

lol

[frozen barn]

Nyph 80m is not fafr

[dense bone]

its not close either

[frozen barn]

The aerodrome hanger is shorter than that

[raw orbit]

bro use the mab/type100/jungle carbine now you can win

[frozen barn]

(I think)

[tidal kindle]

Check sym (dot) gg

[midnight nimbus]

> it should be impossible for a medic smg user who can self heal to duel and win a sniper at that range...
good thing they didn't fix this lmaooooo

[tidal kindle]

The new symthic

[dense bone]

what medic smg is still good at range?

i havent tried medic

[raw orbit]

i like the mab

and others say type 100

[midnight nimbus]

MP34

[tidal kindle]

Type 100, MP40 accorded to sym.gg

[velvet lotus]

i wish i could use the progress i made

[tidal kindle]

check their website dude

[fleet mesa]

Same here, I wish

[dense bone]

i dont care to check since i hardly play bfv anymore

[tidal kindle]

but mp40 firerate is clearly too low to win mid range fights against assault class

[viscid crater]

@tidal kindle I don't think sym.gg is reflecting the new stats

[velvet lotus]

no those are old stats

[tidal kindle]

i'll only play BF to unlock new weapons, now I'm back to BF1

[spare citrus]

me either

[midnight nimbus]

MP34 is the best >20m SMG

[wanton cairn]

Good riddance lol

[midnight nimbus]

or >30m

[velvet lotus]

is bf1 good then ?

[midnight nimbus]

@viscid crater yeah it is

[tidal kindle]

Still @velvet lotus

[wanton cairn]

Matches have been kinda fun without babies running around

[velvet lotus]

never played it

[spare citrus]

i did , got bored and left

[solid hinge]

Lmaoo

Am I the only one who’s statistics is broke?

[dense bone]

i do like being able to move around the map more

[feral grotto]

another day another 15 +/- w in a row on frontlines as best squad

got reported only twice 👌

[wanton cairn]

Not possible cKy, every noob in BFV right now cant play

[raw orbit]

i feel like i should be dead every time i run out into the open get shot at and just run away without consequence to heal myself 😒

[wanton cairn]

How did you even find a match if EVERYONE has left?

[feral grotto]

they didn't leave

😐

some did and others came in instead

but not a whole team that went bye bye

[wanton cairn]

Nice lol

This new TTK really isn't that bad

[feral grotto]

its not good..

but its not as bad as the first ttk change distaster

i mean.. this ttk ruined my fav guns.. but its aiight..

still want a revert

[wanton cairn]

The first disaster was bad, but this I kinda get. Nerf everything and then decide whats strong along the way

All guns being able to do everything is stupid

Exactly

[feral grotto]

this patch i guess the ttk is maybe the 4th thing i hate about it..

i want the old enemy icons on the minimap. i want the "you are spotted" to be gone

[real zodiac]

guys if i buy for example a pack with 2 legendary characters , 1 of them is equipable on USA-Engald the other is Japan-Germany

[feral grotto]

and i want the old kill sound..

[real zodiac]

i can use them on both factions at the same time?

[wanton cairn]

yes

[real zodiac]

on germany and japan

for example

[wanton cairn]

yes

[real zodiac]

i can have the same equiped?

[wanton cairn]

Jimmy

[real zodiac]

ok thanks!

[wanton cairn]

Haha

[shy badger]

The new kill sounds are great

[spare citrus]

anyone know what this means ?

Your message could not be delivered because you don't share a server with the recipient or you disabled direct messages on your shared server, recipient is only accepting direct messages from friends, or you were blocked by the recipient.

[feral grotto]

its trash

[shy badger]

But we should have an option to revert

no u

[feral grotto]

its exactly what it say @spare citrus

[drowsy wraith]

howdy

[spare citrus]

joined a server and thats what i get

[feral grotto]

or he blocked you

[spare citrus]

is there a setting i'm missing or something?

[feral grotto]

or you disabled DM's

or he only accept DM's from friends

[spare citrus]

everything is fine here, i didn't do nything different

[fleet mesa]

@solid hinge at least tank play isn't as horrendous as HnG

[spare citrus]

it's a server like this , not a dm

[drowsy wraith]

Do you guys think that it is still worth it buying Battlefield 1 for pc now?

[feral grotto]

the message isn't for a server.. its for a dm

[wanton cairn]

I'd buy BF4 over 1 man

[feral grotto]

that's why it say DM few times

bf1 was garbage

most hated bf for me tbh

[spare citrus]

listen i joined a server , it says so, the official ... server

[fleet mesa]

I heard the community is still at large at 4. But 3 is still alive as well.

[drowsy wraith]

Is 1 alive?

[feral grotto]

can you send me a screenshot wasp..

i'll show you you're probably wrong

[shy badger]

bf4 is great

[feral grotto]

is 1 alive?... i mean

hardline still alive..

[shy badger]

Though you won't find the more obscure gamemodes

[feral grotto]

on bad company 2 vietnam dlc you got servers running

so.. yeah

[shy badger]

or the least played maps

[fleet mesa]

Im surprised Hardline is still alive

[feral grotto]

hardline is tons of fun

but you get lots of noobs like on mw..

shields and shotguns

but its too easy to kill them so..

[fleet mesa]

Prob fun because of the gadgets

[feral grotto]

nah..

gunplay there is great

[fleet mesa]

But yeah, heard the shields are oof

75% of peoplw got em equipped I heard

[feral grotto]

yeah.. and they end up usually on the bottom of their scoreboard

so its ok . they get about 10-5 ?

[fleet mesa]

Better than me

[feral grotto]

[velvet lotus]

Bf3 had fun planes

[feral grotto]

bfh is above bf1 for me

by a mile

[shy badger]

Zero how have you been doing in bfv?

Getting better?

[fleet mesa]

Battlefield 2142 tho, I loved that one.

[velvet lotus]

Not getting any unlocks

[fleet mesa]

Until it got removed

[velvet lotus]

So that sucks

[shy badger]

Ah yea it sucks

[fleet mesa]

And yeah, new update and all

[velvet lotus]

But for some weird ass reason my jungle carbine unlocked

[shy badger]

It's a tow weapon

[feral grotto]

look on the bright side zero.. you don't get unlocks.. and they made the game worse

so .. win win?

;o

[shy badger]

Meaning you can get it for CC

You probably bouhjt it

[velvet lotus]

Nope

[shy badger]

Maybe without noticing

[velvet lotus]

i still have all 1400 coins

[feral grotto]

jungle was part of the TOW level rewards

[shy badger]

Huh

[feral grotto]

probably that

[fleet mesa]

Prob

[shy badger]

Ohh right right

[feral grotto]

so you'll get the type 74 pistol as well

[shy badger]

And the sw27

[velvet lotus]

but yeah there are tons of aimbotters and wallers in this game

its abnormal

[feral grotto]

well not tons

[shy badger]

I forgot it wasn't a tow week weapon

[feral grotto]

but they are there

[fleet mesa]

Encountered 2 in the past week

[velvet lotus]

came across 15 aimbotters on one day

[fleet mesa]

Oof

[feral grotto]

same 1 2 different servers in 2 days this week

he got mad after dying once so he quit

both games

[velvet lotus]

most of the times there sniper engineer or just in a tank

[radiant pivot]

hello, the mg42 bug still working ?

[velvet lotus]

the tank and sniper ones are the worst

[feral grotto]

never seen a hacker in a tank ;o

its not a bug.. its dice skipping it

and probably is

[fleet mesa]

Yeah, MG guys are the most common

[feral grotto]

can't say i've seen a tank hacker ever in the game

saw few plane guys that hack though

[radiant pivot]

emmm the plane so hard can be find

but tanks, i saw lots

[feral grotto]

aiight going to poop and to bed.. bye

[tidal kindle]

Impossible to cheat with plane

I'm top 0.1% spitfire pilot and they are still OP

never seen a pilot cheating within 2000 hours

[radiant pivot]

sometime there are so good pilots

[tidal kindle]

One of my friend is #1 world at plane

and he don't need cheat

[radiant pivot]

i saw a pilot from the King platoon, he got 150kills

[tidal kindle]

u got flares, map , bombs, reload station

On iwo jima it's not strange to see pilots doing 100-0

[radiant pivot]

i saw one

[tidal kindle]

that was me 😉

[radiant pivot]

emm let me check match

they take tanks so quick

[tidal kindle]

First time i tried breakthrough on iwo jimma, i took zero and Did 120-1

with fire bombs + flares

[radiant pivot]

ya. lots pilots doing that

[wanton cairn]

Thankfully the BFV community has gold fish brain and already forgot about the flieger

[tidal kindle]

Check "Sapelogue" on BF stats

[velvet lotus]

The campaign mode pacific war that map

[tidal kindle]

flieger is easy to counter if u got brain

[velvet lotus]

The Usa has a huge advantage

[tidal kindle]

and sometimes luck

[radiant pivot]

i just wanna they change weapons range, 20m so close, normally in conquest or huge maps 20m not enough

[dense bone]

there are weapons that perform at range

[velvet lotus]

also people with TTV deserve to be killed and teabagged

[dense bone]

you cant pick essentially any gun and use it at any range anymore

[echo turtle]

Don't expect anyone with ttv in their names to have a lot of brain cells

[radiant pivot]

but like M1928A1 when the bullet shot enemy out of 20 or 25m ,,each bullet only have 8 or 10 damage

[tidal kindle]

You just need 12 bullet to kill what's the problem @radiant pivot

Thomson was the most powerful/efficient weapon of WW2

[dense bone]

not all guns need 12 bullets to kill

[frozen barn]

In diceland that is considered supes far

[dense bone]

so if youre shooting at range, dont pick those guns that suck at range

[tidal kindle]

history made by Dice, it's like womens serving their country