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slate oak
echo turtle
But they plan on tweaking it instead of completely reverting
slate oak
Instagram c’est shite
silver tide
Fuckin normies
idle breach
neopets
left barn
its funny because dice saied:"we are listen more to the feedback of the players"... but nowthey dont are interested in our feedback
slate oak
Well....
hoary condor
many people have no idea how it works "behind the scenes"
echo turtle
Because it's just incoherent screaming in most cases
idle breach
lol I found another bug
echo turtle
HIT THE GO BACK BUTTON
hoary condor
idle breach
it's 44/64 server and stlll not starting
soft storm
Behind the scenes is 15 unpaid interns being hit with a whip while the boss is yelling FASTER
slate oak
They did mention they see what people say then look at stuff like hard data
idle breach
not even counting
soft storm
I’m really not even sure if next weeks TOW is even gonna work
echo turtle
It starts at 64/64 now
solid hinge
Whats next weeks tow
echo turtle
Server has to be full Inorder to start now
soft storm
Have this feeling
idle breach
lol
slate oak
Is the BAR this week?
hoary condor
It's simple, we revert the patch - Sounds like the joker
spare citrus
lies and bugs, jfc gaming has sunk so low
slate oak
2000s gaming was coolio
spare citrus
insurgency, cyberpunk and tlou2 only thing i hope for .............oh, all indie developers , go figure
idle breach
yeah... not and indie
slate oak
Uncharted is amazing .. Drakes Fortune is meh though
idle breach
lol i'm waiting to game for start and
echo turtle
Last time I heard of an indie studio with a gigantic budget was Hello games
spare citrus
it's a damn shame , i'm 54 years old and this industry has done nothing but go backwards due to corporate greed
who loses? us
echo turtle
But they ended up being bought
idle breach
the industry was born and raised because corporate greed
slate oak
ET go home
idle breach
go frontward, go backward, it's of course all about corporate greed.
spare citrus
90's was gaming peak , there is somthing wrong with that , tech goes forward , always
idle breach
sometimes it goes backward
slate oak
I’d say 2000s was the peak
spare citrus
really? wall phone to hand held computer
slate oak
And also the tipping point
spare citrus
tv that was furniture to tv that is a picture on a wall
where does tech go backwards?
idle breach
when the society collapses totally
echo turtle
Because it's hardwired into the code
idle breach
not quite often happenin
solid hinge
Rebel more and they’ll revert it
echo turtle
If you give them another month
spare citrus
they'll get the noobs for xmas , let them get used to it for a few months , then change it
lol
wake island , fitting title isn't it
gentle garnet
except that noobs suffer more with the ttk change
spare citrus
they should have called it blind island
silver tide
If u want good games buy a switch lol
gentle garnet
next update. fog of war beyong 10m for every roll thats not a sniper
its not that we cant play it
its that it sucks
the new changes make the game worse
how is that ok
wanton cairn
Have you actually tried to adapt to the new changes?
idle breach
yes of course, I'm good at adapting.
silver tide
We did pretty obvious they catered to the casual idiot
gentle garnet
and the more i play it, the more i hate it
echo turtle
How
wanton cairn
Have you acquired the sense of pride and accomplishment yet?
echo turtle
It feels more reactionary than anything
gentle garnet
because adapting means not shooting at range
not really, becasue it sucks
i enjoy the game less and less the more i get used to this shit
aight, be back later
silver tide
Ppl raging cuz they suck ass in the game and complain that they're dying
solid hinge
@wanton cairn I adapted it and still think they should revert it.
spare citrus
get ranged byt a sten , which just happens to be starter gun , with a tommy at 900 rov..........yeah adapt kid, after leveling a month to get what you thought was a good gun
wanton cairn
That I agree with, new spotting is my ass
spare citrus
imagine, leveling 20 to get guns that are useless.............have you not adapted ?
wanton cairn
But the TTK really isn't that bad
solid hinge
Lmao
wanton cairn
Everyone insists on fighting 100000Km apart
solid hinge
I made 50k+ tommy gun kills for nothing..
echo turtle
It's still effective in cqc
spare citrus
youre forced to use sten or jung carbine, sten is good cqc, soooooooooooooooo, they basiclally backed you into a corner
it's brilliant i tell ya , 50 guns and you can only use 4
lol
frozen barn
I still don't get the noob argument
solid hinge
Sten sucks
frozen barn
Like, how many new people is this game actually pulling in
echo turtle
No one knows
spare citrus
for medic i'm saying
wanton cairn
A few somehow, constantly seeing little jimmies and timmies that are level 10 and below
frozen barn
It's a shooter that's over a year old and we just got a new CoD and the MCC releasing on PC
solid hinge
MP40 is pretty good right now
spare citrus
no, i refuse to use guns i didn;t use b4 cuz ea says
echo turtle
Because no one is willing to jump from match to match and take note of ranks
solid hinge
Lol
spare citrus
everyone is using typ 100 or stg
wanton cairn
Type 100 is lit
frozen barn
Anyone getting the game now is some unfortunate kid whose parent saw a bargain
solid hinge
sten is fun to run and gun with now
🥴
Imagine getting paid to lie
Must be nice
wanton cairn
I'm using SMGs more now than before the update
frozen barn
Balancing exercise - aka we're gonna put out the change and we don't know wtf is gonna happen
spare citrus
wow avl, exactly what i thought reading it
wanton cairn
Something tells me BFV is getting the Anthem treatment
solid hinge
Regardless of how you feel about the change, that post is objectively untrue
spare citrus
yeah, change the game i was enjoying then serve me a hot late of bs
solid hinge
Which means they are either so ludicrously incompetent that they actually believe what they're saying, or they're willingly lying
frozen barn
How many guns did they even offset the nerfs with buffs? Plenty of guns got meaningless accuracy increases that make the guns lasers but more BTK still equals more TTK
solid hinge
@frozen barn literally nothing got buffed
spare citrus
these guys can't even get out of their own way
frozen barn
Well the Trench Carbine got a firerate increase but that's the only one I know off the top of my head
solid hinge
They shouldn't be addressing the minority
frozen barn
And it's super noticable if you've used it before
frozen barn
Yeah but that's what an offset is
So I mean did they even attempt that with any other guns
spare citrus
snipers running around with carbine whihc is basiclaly i high fire rate pistol
solid hinge
As far as I know literally none
wanton cairn
Ribbeyrolls is even better with this update too
spare citrus
games a straight joke
solid hinge
"2 sides"
I don't see how they can tweak these stats to make that post not a lie without changing them entirely
frozen barn
M1 Garand definitely feels poopier now but that'll happen when you change it from Heavy load ALWAYS being a 3BTK to... not
solid hinge
aggressive recons with carbines, flares and spawn points is an actual thing, its recon class not sniper class, that was in the game way before 5.2
fleet bloom
LOL the MG42 goes back to its pre 5.2 damage model with the dang faster bullets spec hahahaha 
fleet bloom
M1 Garland gets a fire rate buff from 250 something to 300 with heavy load spec
frozen barn
Yeah I really shoulda tried to mop up the 50m kills before the patch
mellow flint
is there a way to start over with a soldier to get a fresh kd
solid hinge
When pistols have better damage at range than a smg
wanton cairn
You can out damage most people at close range with the M1911 as well btw
fleet bloom
ya but it gets a fire rate INCREASE LOL
frozen barn
I've certainly gotten pistolled more since the update
wanton cairn
Also, I feel aim is more important now than ever
So there's that
Actually a bit more skill based
wanton cairn
100% they're too inconsistent
Only solid smg I found was type 100
Probably just because its new
solid hinge
MP40 works alright also
wanton cairn
I'm calling it now, the BAR will be unaffected
stoic breach
I found the greatest L4D2 mod
SMG08 UZI mod
Based
I dont need to play Battlefield 1 anymore
gray saffron
lol, l4d2 has such weird and nice mods
soft storm
Mod that turns witches into Nicki Minaj
solid hinge
Idk they can just remove all weapons beside Bolt Action Rifles/Carbines, the rest of the wapons are useless anyways
9 damage per shot
Sad to see a potential good game having its last breath
gray glade
wanton cairn
That's why I'm saying 90% of reddit are just babies
The one weapon they use isn't as good anymore, so it's crying time
frozen barn
Yeah but the babies comment is a bit hypocritical when your answer is essentially "the gun I use is fine"
Like the type 100 was a good gun before the update and it barely changed, yet they arbitrarily nerfed other guns into the ground.
wanton cairn
There are weapons in the game that I would argue are better now with the update
Ribbeyrolls being one of them
mellow flint
What map/mode is good for sniping 😄 ?
mellow flint
Breaktrough is something like rush ?
soft storm
Ruined is subjective
prime pine
Breakthrough is conquest and rush combined
solid hinge
Yup
frozen barn
The ribey got nerfed, just not as hard as other guns
At least going off the charts here https://www.reddit.com/r/BattlefieldV/comments/e7hhfs/battlefield_v_ttk_025_welcome_to_the_jungle/
solid hinge
Same goes for the Gew 43
raw orbit
Yep 
soft storm
It was already easy to dink heads from nutty ranges and they buffed that shit
raw orbit
5.2 in a nutshell
sand drift
Fix TTK
raw orbit
But at least now the frustrated new players won't get sniped by an automatic weapon across the map amirite
sand drift
Like rn
wanton cairn
Nah its swap around words and blatantly lie time
soft storm
MFW automatic weapons were designed to be hitting people at odd ranges
solid hinge
Ima just stick to battlefront 2
frozen barn
I'll be playing frontlines as much as possible before it goes then taking a break
solid hinge
🤡
wanton cairn
It's just a social experiment guys, just a prank
solid hinge
They want that Christmas money
frozen barn
I'm still really not sure why this patch would matter there
solid hinge
"We added 3D spotting despite saying we weren't going to do it"
wanton cairn
Lol
prime pine
3D spotting has always been in the game
wanton cairn
It hasn't???
soft storm
The 3D spotting is at times obnoxious and other times just there
solid hinge
Yeah but not as harsh as now
prime pine
People who are spotted are 3d spotted. Primarily due to flares.
soft storm
Like why am I allowed to see people behind walls
wanton cairn
I must be blind
prime pine
This passive spotting should be toned down
wanton cairn
Yikes
frozen barn
Flare spam was OP as hell before update sassy lol
soft storm
Did you see the Reddit clip of a guy behind a fence getting dinked at 30 m
It’s nuts
He got full nametag and dorito spotted
frozen barn
The flare nerf needed to happen, but then they give everyone xray vision
soft storm
It’s nuts, fences should be counted as full walls in terms of sight lines
solid hinge
Yeah I'm fine with flare nerfs
wanton cairn
I had an awkward encounter where there was an enemy on the other side of some smoke, moved the mouse around a little and managed to see his foot or leg
frozen barn
I'm fine with flare nerfs and I'm someone who spams them
wanton cairn
Gets spotted through
solid hinge
You can spot through smoke
frozen barn
Between the radius nerf, the ammo boxes resupplying slower, them (seemingly) being easier to shoot, and the "you are spotted" marker, flares are fine now
wanton cairn
Whats the point of smoke then
solid hinge
To not do anything
frozen barn
You don't even need to see there foot
Sometimes they just arbitrarily have the spot marker
Sometimes it shows through walls
wanton cairn
Outstanding
frozen barn
It's a mystery
solid hinge
Gotta cater to the smaller people who are blind ya know
wanton cairn
Ah yes of course
terse lintel
Dont think its fair being spotted by a flare when your inside a building though 
solid hinge
I don't think it's fair to be spotted through a wall
frozen barn
I mean it doesn't make sense to be magically spotted by a flare anyway, don't think about it too hard
frozen barn
You get spotted in buildings for the same reason games can never stop smoke from going through walls
solid hinge
They should just tone down the 3D spot through walls
Its fine if you see them on the map
solid hinge
Yup
frozen barn
and it seems they made them way less finicky to shoot down
I've yet to miss a flare since the update
Before it seemed like rng if you'd hit the thing
solid hinge
Yeah
soft storm
Atleast now the scope is useful
solid hinge
Flares aren't the problem though it's just how spotting works
soft storm
Well it was always good but not fire and forget good
bronze rose
Man FUCK this new TTK
soft storm
Spotting is just dumb honestly, it made sense in modern games
prime pine
I don't even mind spotting
soft storm
But once you get to points where only a single man in a platoon has a radio
Then nah it doesn’t make logical sense
solid hinge
Especially 3D spot
soft storm
Like the spotting laser in BF4 made sense
coral fiber
Passive spotting is really dumb lmfao
soft storm
Cause modern title
solid hinge
Passive spotting is probably the worst addition
bronze rose
Idk man
coral fiber
And the Panzer 38T seems a bit stronger now
I like it
bronze rose
This ttk got me acting weird
solid hinge
Tanks were buffed in general
solid hinge
Is it too early to say that community games suck ass
Try using the Tiger I
I dont think it is tbh
Tiger I is basically unkillable at range
soft storm
When we get to an era where every grunt has a radio I’ll accept spotting being powerful again
solid hinge
Now at least
soft storm
But yeah nah not right now
solid hinge
Whats the point of community games if you cant even name your game 🤡
soft storm
Good luck lmao when tanks get active radar on infantry
solid hinge
or manage settings
coral fiber
Eh atleast we have something in the mean time
coral fiber
@soft storm NO
solid hinge
There goes my hopes for specific playlists with no recons
soft storm
Bruh tanks already have active radar if you’re in third person
bronze rose
You guys 'member the old ttk
coral fiber
Imagine tho
frozen barn
Literally can't do anything meaningful in the settings but hey we can't let you do ToW
solid hinge
or authentic / hardcore servers
bronze rose
I 'member
solid hinge
Big oof
soft storm
Just swing around and you’ll see all players in your immediate radius
coral fiber
Yeah
soft storm
Wait until they add command tanks that are all radio
Just like in company of heroes
coral fiber
Whoever doesn't use S Mines are not intellects
solid hinge
Like I honestly expected nothing from community games yet I was still disappointed
soft storm
You can choose to hunker down and give out ammo and health to players like the sunderer in Planetside 2
solid hinge
Its pretty incredible
soft storm
Yeah I’m thinking something went horribly wrong with the development of this game. It must be all spaghetti code
There’s no possible way to spend this long on development for some things unless the framework behind frostbite is that fucked
solid hinge
Cant really blame anyone else for either, its their own engine
soft storm
Like at this point I’m theorizing that’s SWBF2 has a better “engine” than BFV due to different parts of the studio
oak atlas
coral fiber
idle breach
this is worse than black plague
solid hinge
Is it
idle breach
no
solid hinge
idle breach
of course not
solid hinge
why you do me like this stitch
Ohana is family or something right
Why you gotta do your boy like this
idle breach
stitch has a glitch
idle breach
let's just make a
solid hinge
buoyant fossil
frozen barn
wanton cairn
On another note, tanks coaxial MG is crazy strong now
autumn bane
so is dice reverting the old damage models for 0-30 meters and then keeping the long range models as they are now in 5.2?
autumn bane
there was some talk on twitter but it was very unclear
das why i was askin here
i think thats what they shud do though
keep 4 shot kills up close and at range keep current values
haughty pawn
dunno,depends what the term range is
guess we'll have to wait for an official statement,if there will be any
stoic breach
The current range values are laughable
Higher calibre weapons are doing less damage at range than lower calibre weapons in some cases
The previous update at least kept some level of consistency between calibres
You could at least tell how much damage you expected to do at whatever range based on what weapon you were using
The current weapon balance in theory only works if every class can use eachother's weapons
The fact that the Type 100 only has a maximum BTK of 11 vs the FG42 and M1907's 13
haughty pawn
i was playing mmg last night,think that was the most frustrating bfv moment for me so far 
stoic breach
Is a pretty clear indicator that you cant rely on the way a weapon looks
haughty pawn
i know mg42 is bugged,didn't use it
dense bone
why would you base gameplay on how a weapon looks
stoic breach
Can you even say its bugged if its a feature that they forgot to remove
dense bone
stats and what dice directly tell you should trump how a weapon looks
stoic breach
Look, sound and size can be pretty good indicators of how a weapon performs, thats just visual and auditory feedback
Its a pretty dead horse at this point, but you wouldnt expect the Type 100 to perform better in CQB and at range than the FG42 based on how it looks and sounds
gray saffron
what bolt action carbine was used by germans?
haughty pawn
kar
stoic breach
And knowing the calibre type that it uses, it makes even less sense
stoic breach
None of them
haughty pawn
none
gray saffron
darn
dense bone
i personally dont bother to look and listen and make assumptions of how a gun is supposed to perform
haughty pawn
officers had mp40
oak vapor
wake island is on the 12th ?
stoic breach
If pure numbers were the only defining features of a gun, every weapon could be a grey cube
But thats not really the case
woven lake
Found a hacker in Eu using wallhacks
haughty pawn
report it ig
stoic breach
Would you, holding an FG42, expect it to do less ranged damage than the Type 100 or MP34
Honestly
woven lake
Lagged out
gray saffron
if a guy spawns in walls everywhere, would he too be a wallhacker?
dense bone
again, i personally dont know or care
woven lake
Got a screenshot tho
haughty pawn
screen won't proof anything imo
dense bone
the only reason i have an indication of fg42 being a stronger weapon is because of this server
gray saffron
just report him to origin, @woven lake supplement it with the screenshot
dense bone
im no history buff, i dont know any of these guns outside of this game
prime pine
I would never shut up about the fg42
gray saffron
but you're a ke7 user now, bodie 😦
wanton cairn
Yikes
prime pine
Yep cause dice gutted the fg42
dense bone
history in this case is knowing the guns and their calibers
prime pine
Cause that's how fucking useless Dice is
stoic breach
It doesnt take history to know that an LMG uses larger rounds than an SMG
dense bone
its a game, they make for the game decisions
gray saffron
but even still, fg doesn't feel that great as an smg-like support gun. it's fast, but lacks the oompf of say a suomi/thompson 20 mag
dense bone
i wouldnt know its an LMG if it wasnt for the game
echo turtle
The fg42 uses a rifle round
prime pine
A fucking thompson has better ranged capability than an LMG
echo turtle
7.62 something something
dense bone
its a game 🤷
wanton cairn
Its still great not being killed by little timmy with his MMG in a bush
dense bone
should 2 people be using mmgs?
spare citrus
frozen barn
Even not knowing historical context, any gun with a 20 shot clip that can take more than a dozen bullets to kill someone is a bit riduculous
dense bone
2 people in a tank at all times?
stoic breach
If looks didnt matter, every weapon in every class could just use an SMG model
dense bone
@frozen barn the gun is designed for short range
ROF and recoil account for something
and i personally wrecked with the fg42
frozen barn
And I've already pointed out that 50m is not as "long" as some try to claim it is
stoic breach
It wasnt designed for CQB though
dense bone
dice want it to be a cqb weapon
prime pine
Its recoil
wanton cairn
Guys just use the Jungle Carbine /s
dense bone
if you dont like that a milsim is more suited for you
prime pine
Recoil was a more balanced limiter than reducing its damage droppoff
It rewarded skill over brain dead bullshit
stoic breach
Now because it has less recoil, it cant have good damage anymore
Because of the reload speed
dense bone
guns were balanced because most guns were too viable at most ranges
prime pine
Should i be punished because i can control recoil? What is more fair, Braindead gameplay involving low recoil low damage or high skill high damage?
gray saffron
hmhm, i like the new weapon stuff of how ranged works. but fg-42 just feels mweh compared to the rest of the assortment
prime pine
It's unviable
gray saffron
but that stuff can be fixed with tweaks and cahnges
prime pine
its min damage was 17 - 16.5 i think?
frozen barn
Last time they reverted the whole patch in a week bucko
dense bone
but suddenly fg42 is bad and everyone claims dice is uselss
solid hinge
more weapons were viable
gray saffron
that patch was different though. just a blanket change to upp the bullet count to kill for every gun. now they revised them all
frozen barn
Dice released a patch that on the whole was more extreme than the last TTK change
dense bone
no shit, they had a year to get to that point
frozen barn
While claiming it wasn't a TTK change
solid hinge
so why refresh it
dense bone
because ranges were shit
raw orbit
My expectations was that 5.2 would be trash and what do you know it is 
prime pine
Why should a sub machine gun be more effective than an LMG at a range
dense bone
it was still unbalanced
stoic breach
It wasnt
dense bone
because its a god damn game
wanton cairn
Cod wants to be BF and now BF wants to be Cod
stoic breach
There were more viable guns than unviable ones
solid hinge
People actually die in COD
prime pine
I actually miss being killed quickly and at a range by a suomi LOL
frozen barn
You literally just claimed the game was too balanced because every gun was good
prime pine
That's how fucked this whole change is
dense bone
right before 5.2, at launch it wasnt
gray saffron
i think previous ttk was more mweh. every gun was viable for every range. which means, no gun really excells at what it does. if everything is its effective range, it means it will have to compete to everything. now smgs really feel dominant of close range, ar/semi at med, recon weapons at far ranges etc
dense bone
which makes sense, 5.2 was a year in the making
prime pine
Every gun had a small niche, Even though practically you'd have those most popular guns.
raw orbit
Being punished for standing around in the open 
disgusting
solid hinge
smgs did dominate up close though
stoic breach
Well you would rather use a 3BTK SAR than an 8BTK smg at range
solid hinge
semis/lmgs did dominate at medium
frozen barn
So right before 5.2 the game was great yet 5.2 needed to happen
stoic breach
Just because it can kill doesnt mean it should be used that way
prime pine
Guys, I can actually stand out in the open without dying so quick, Could you believe it, I'm not being punished for being a dumb Fuck : D
stoic breach
Balance on flexibility and efficiency
dense bone
if you use ranged weapons and land shots your good
@frozen barn balance wasnt the problem pre 5.2, it was that nearly everything was viable for most of the game
icy sluice
According to Westie, the tweaks are basically a revert
solid hinge
the only major standouts before this change was the mp34, the ke7, a couple of the semis that were just another gun but with less recoil and worse reload and the bolts
prime pine
That's not even that bad, Everything being effective.
dense bone
and obviously trying to define ranged first try is going to have problems
frozen barn
There's no world where I consider most guns being viable a bad thing
dense bone
thats what you want for a game, not what dice wants
raw orbit
Yes bodie
sturdy osprey
Not sniping any noob can snipe stationary targets 😂
icy sluice
sturdy osprey
That doesn't make you gud
dense bone
theres different aspects of skill
icy sluice
I'm still in bed rn :v
sonic rampart
What
dense bone
longer ttk requires more skill
solid hinge
tfw they move it back to 4btk up close and then 8btk at range
dense bone
so idk what youre trying to get at bodie
sonic rampart
Oh Thats westie
solid hinge
every 5 metres it drops a bullet
frozen barn
Longer ttk on the "we're not changing the ttk" patch
sonic rampart
Not a dev
solid hinge
so there's not going to be a revert on the ttk?
raw orbit
Not when it takes 0 effort to control recoil anymore
sonic rampart
solid hinge
icy sluice
It is a link to a stream
stoic breach
Longer TTK doesnt mean more skill, it means more bullets have to be tracked
dense bone
even with "0" recoil you still have to aim
solid hinge
Im more mad they lied
stoic breach
You still had to track bullets in the old update
sonic rampart
Longer ttk does mean more skill
solid hinge
than anything else
sonic rampart
If you have to hit more bullets
prime pine
If Battle rifles had no recoil but similar damage to AR"s from Hardline, Why bother using them over the guns on assault?
sonic rampart
you have to have aim
dense bone
skill is the mechanics of physically shooting, if you have to shoot longer, it takes a longer amount of skills to be effective
stoic breach
Same motor skill
dense bone
higher ttk is more skill
sonic rampart
with a low ttk
sturdy osprey
They aren't reverting everything but they are changing some stuff
stoic breach
The difference between tracking 5 bullets at range and tracking 9 is that 9 is more spongy
wanton cairn
@sonic rampart preach man
stoic breach
Landing your shots functions the exact same way
stoic breach
Except with less burst control
wanton cairn
MMG campers out sniping snipers
prime pine
Lower ttk sorta exemplifies your reaction time, There are many many occassions i should have died.
In this new ttk
gray saffron
lmg/semis did far better than just med in pre5.2. they went beyond 50m to 100ish. especially with scopes. that's supposed to recon territory :< and they[recons] just get outsniped by semis. smgs definitely felt optimized pre5.2. good at close, ok at mid, shit at range.
prime pine
and it's fucking me off
dense bone
lower ttk benefits who sees who first wins
gray saffron
and smgs didn't really change that much either 5.2
raw orbit
The difference is more emphasis on tracking and just having one of the few decent guns with severely reduced emphasis on good positioning and recoil control
stoic breach
Theres no need to control your sprays or use burst control in any way, its just spray and pray and put your brain to sleep
dense bone
then do it
prime pine
If the FG42 did 9 damage at fucking 50M+ then i would have no problem!
sturdy osprey
Watch westie
stoic breach
Aiming for the head with no recoil isnt really that difficult
sonic rampart
@prime pine F Dice touched your fg lmao
dense bone
then do it
sturdy osprey
He explains it
stoic breach
Especially since you can just magdump with automatics
sonic rampart
Lmao
solid hinge
The semis were abnormally good yeah, but that's something they could have changed without modifying everything else- the only lmgs that were super good at range also shot slow as hell and were nuts up close so that's a fair trade off imo
frozen barn
Trying to argue this update take more skill while claiming it's a joke to aim now. Amazing
sonic rampart
Ye
dense bone
im not claiming its a joke to aim
stoic breach
I probably would do it if I could bother playing this update
dense bone
i havent said that at all elite
stoic breach
Same motor skill
raw orbit
Yeah bro I do it all the time and it's boring as shit 
stoic breach
Just on a different hitbox
prime pine
It turns the 13HKO to an 11HKO providing they all hit
dense bone
and youre an idiot if you dont think higher ttk takes more skill
sturdy osprey
What is?
dense bone
you either dont know the definition of skill or are oblivious to how it interacts with the game
raw orbit
You're an idiot if you ignore that reduced recoil takes less skill 
sonic rampart
Higher ttk takes more skill, but razen you are looking at the no recoil and saying that it takes no skill
prime pine
I'll just run with my revolver, Hand tool and just get an easy melee kill on everyone cause the ttk is fucked
frozen barn
It doesn't take more skill because it means your opponent needs the same increase in skill the kill you
sturdy osprey
dense bone
it takes less skill, but in a game where veryone has the same conditions that doesnt change anything relative
stoic breach
Yeah, skill in 5.2 is using a pistol to out-DPS automatics
dense bone
thats not skill xD
sturdy osprey
Not with headshots
stoic breach
Dont need headshots when you can still body people with a pistol
spare citrus
i dunno, if i loved the game and the changes so much, i wouldn't be here blabbing, i'd be playing, i'm here because i don't wana play anymore , but that's me .nd it seems, 75% of the community
ebon trench
Okay now I've taken time to chill out and think
solid hinge
everyone taking longer to kill means people who are better at aiming have the advantage; this patch benefits good players more than bad players
dense bone
^
sonic rampart
Thats like saying I use a sniper for long range instead of using a shotgun
Thats skill
solid hinge
everyone universally dies less at range but good players will do better up close and especially at range than bad players
sturdy osprey
I don't like pro players it ruins the fun
sonic rampart
(Thats not skill btw)
ebon trench
It just feels like crap because I'm a shit player cuz I'm not on the game 24/7
frozen barn
Except this update made it so plenty of guns suck at range so good players can just stay at range and not die
sturdy osprey
When you get the kills jacked
wind breach
YO GUYS SHOULD I BUY A 27INCH MONITOR OR A 31.5ONE FOR BATTLEFIELD V
stoic breach
Or you could just pick a gun that performs better in more situations and minmax
prime pine
Lemme run an m1911, Something that kills quicker at a range..
stoic breach
There is skill in knowledge
ebon trench
I don't eat live and breathe battlefield, it's just a kick in the guts to me
dense bone
skill and knowledge arent the same
sonic rampart
its not
stoic breach
Its not just "me hit player longer, me win"
solid hinge
model 27 farts on most guns at any reasonable distance (15 metres 
)
dense bone
yea you just proved you dont know skill vs knowledge
stoic breach
Yeah but aiming isnt the be all and end all
dense bone
no one said it was
youre jumping to conclusions
IF anyone has said aiming is the end all link it
ebon trench
Considering how the Australian community is like, small playerbase so there's stupidly good players everywhere
Plus some platoons using mouse and keyboard
wind breach
aboriginal dude
ebon trench
Also some platoons clan stack the shit out of games and make the game unfun to play
Really unfun
ebon trench
Lul
sonic rampart
Then Join them 
haughty pawn
seems like a lot of asia/oce player have gone to na/eu servers,seen so many 250+ pings lately
stoic breach
skill is the mechanics of physically shooting, if you have to shoot longer, it takes a longer amount of skills to be effective
ebon trench
They won't take a shit player like me lmao
dense bone
that quote says nothing about aiming being the end all
its an example of skill thats it
stoic breach
If you have to shoot longer, it takes a longer amount of skill
dense bone
true
stoic breach
I'm just quoting what you said
dense bone
how does that translate to aiming being end all?
ebon trench
It's like if I use a certain gun, everyone else using that gun can wipe the floor with me and I get frustrated
dense bone
or do you not know what end all means either?
ebon trench
I dunno what it is
stoic breach
Because of reduced recoil, all gunfights boil down to is how many more bullets you can land
wanton cairn
Aim better man
stoic breach
You dont land bullets by not aiming
dense bone
which requires more skill..
ebon trench
Plus dealing with the worst ping. Most players have 30 ping
dense bone
thats the statement ive been making and it still stands and i dont see how anyone can dispute that
ebon trench
I'm stuck at 90
dense bone
that doesnt suggest in any way that im saying ALL YOU NEED is aim
ebon trench
I have 80-90 ping so I'm getting slaughtered by people with better internet
teal compass
stoic breach
But if every engagement acts the same while functioning the same, no recoil
ebon trench
Because they've killed me and moved on while I'm dead and gone
dense bone
but it doesnt...
stoic breach
No need to control vertical increase, no need to control burst fire
No need for trigger discipline
ebon trench
I'm literally disadvantaged by the Ping in every firefight
sonic rampart
@stoic breach the longer ttk takes skill. The no recoil isnt the ttk
prime pine
When i was playing, I only had fun playing with the new meta weapons, You deviate anything from that you're going to suffer
dense bone
@prime pine sounds like pre 5.2...
prime pine
What you mean
stoic breach
Sounds like 5.2 as well
wanton cairn
@dense bone I get what you're saying and I completely agree man
dense bone
youd see the same weapons every match
prime pine
You could play with anything and actually enjoy yourself
stoic breach
Except there are much more clear-cut weapons you should be using
dense bone
i used the fg42, a gun everyone shits on, and i enjoyed myself
ebon trench
Yeah but that's the thing, beforehand I could enjoy using every weapon ingame. Now I'm being limited to META guns otherwise I'm gonna have a bad time. @prime pine
It's utter shit tbh
dense bone
"Except there are much more clear-cut weapons you should be using"
yes this new update has been out a week, give it time to balance out
solid hinge
you didnt suffer from using other weapons pre-5.2
stoic breach
It doesnt need a week for people to know which weapons they should be using
prime pine
When i didn't use the Fg42, I would use the Bren, The LS26, Anything i could do to shake up gameplay
dense bone
thats not the point razen
ebon trench
Fg42 will rest in Valhalla a true warriors weapon
solid hinge
everyone used the same stuff but you didn't suffer from using other things asides from a couple guns
stoic breach
That was your point, "give it a week"
wanton cairn
I would argue that situational weapons is a good thing
dense bone
there are obviously better guns right now, because its been a week and dice hasnt balanced anything
ebon trench
Aye @solid hinge
prime pine
The game has been out for a year
wanton cairn
Why would you wanna use the same weapon for everything??
dense bone
i said GIVE IT TIME
frozen barn
Man they had a year to steadily balance the game then they release this, expecting people to wait for this to "balance out" is asinine.
ebon trench
I loved using the more obscure options to have a fun time
solid hinge
imo theres not enough gadget variety to help with the game feeling stale
prime pine
Little changes to the weapons is appreciated
sonic rampart
They just changed it
prime pine
Not a large sweeping change
sonic rampart
Ofcourse its not going to work out perfectly
solid hinge
people might use the same guns but swap the gadgets up but we dont have enough gadgets to swap with
stoic breach
It doesnt take DICE player feedback to see the disparities between weapon stats
prime pine
Yeah i'll give the game time, Time to see how many people will still use the STG44 and the RIbeyrolles Dominating the kill feed of every assault that plays.
solid hinge
the tanks actually needed balancing and they did that, but they broke it at the same time
dense bone
player feedback is a joke
solid hinge
so +1 to dice
dense bone
especially when they dont know what skill vs knowledge is
ebon trench
Instead of the Tommy I used stuff like the tromboncino or EMP. Those lesser used guns have now fallen from grace as an actual meta has been installed
solid hinge
EMP was solid before but everyone used mp40 or sten instead, the bastards
wanton cairn
@dense bone look at people giving feedback on reddit man, I'd bet half of em are prone MMG players
prime pine
The only weapon i would honestly really change would be the lewis gun, I would slightly reduce its longer ranged damage. That is all.
Nothing really needed such a major change
dense bone
bunch of casuals that dont know basics of game design thinking they know how to balance
ebon trench
Honestly who agrees that making guns into nerf guns at longer ranges was a bad idea?
dense bone
i dont
wanton cairn
The amount of videos I've seen on reddit which start with the goon building in base spawn
solid hinge
I'd have preferred spread/recoil changes than damage reduction
wanton cairn
Then they claim they have valid opinions
ebon trench
Yeah but this damage drop off is so severe tbh
sonic rampart
I dont think this change is bad
viscid crown
Guys can you tell me why ps4 servers are not working?
prime pine
The damage drop off just happens so much sooner than it actually should
queen canopy
I think they should maybe be a bit more potent at range than they are now, but it a little frustrating getting lasered by a sten at range
prime pine
That's the problem
dense bone
you have to use certain guns for certain ranges, you cant pick a gun that specializes in a range and use it anywhere like before
prime pine
Not to mention the fact that dice fucking lied so there's that part of the outrage
solid hinge
So they brought back sweetspots but for every gun?
ebon trench
Yeah shooting through solid fences cuz your red Dorito showed clean through @sonic rampart
queen canopy
About what
prime pine
Changing the ttk
queen canopy
Oh
ebon trench
That was ridiculous
queen canopy
Yeah that was big dummy lol
solid hinge
wanton cairn
Haha
warm atlas
I also don’t think up close damage should have been changed. Like even in effective range, why does my M1 Garand need an extra bullet to kill?
wooden timber
i like battlefield 1
wanton cairn
Judging by the reddit community I'm not surprised they think we can't read
prime pine
And have fun on bf1!
queen canopy
No? Reducing damage on 90% of guns won’t reduce TTK? How about that wake trailer amirite? 
stoic breach
You can completely negate the threat of a Thompson or Suomi just by standing 20m away from them
ebon trench
It's frustrating being ganked on by a squad of suomis and tommies
solid hinge
the biggest part that makes me mad is that they lied
prime pine
Sadly that's the problem ayla
frozen barn
Reddit read fine dice just fed them bullshit
ebon trench
Okay I missed what did they lie about?
dense bone
@warm atlas because that gun is intended as a ranged weapon?
solid hinge
if they just said they were trying something fresh it would have been cool
prime pine
Back then when they made the first ttk change and reverted it they said they would never attempt it again
solid hinge
ebon trench
Oh that
solid hinge
all of this is essentially a lie
wanton cairn
ebon trench
Yeah nah I'm actually pissed
dense bone
they said its not their goal
prime pine
Tell me lies tell me sweet little lies
dense bone
not that they arent doing it
ebon trench
IT STILL HAPPENED BRUH
dense bone
people have bad reading comprehension
solid hinge
because you can stop lying
warm atlas
@dense bone I said in it’s effective range it’s an extra BTK. And even farther it’s more.
prime pine
Oh Ayla, Have you touched the P08 Artillery?
solid hinge
but you cant stop sucking
prime pine
The carbine
wanton cairn
Lads, DICE will be completely mute after wake releases. They're all gonna go off and enjoy xmas
solid hinge
I can't tap 450rpm without making my finger fall off
ebon trench
I swear Emperor EA the Sith Lord must be pushing this
prime pine
It feels like it has a better RPM than the Trench carbine
frozen barn
Dice said they were going to increase fire rate to make up for increaesed BTK, and they did on like... 1 gun
queen canopy
Really? M1 Garand was a consistent 3SK from what I saw
solid hinge
prime pine
With heavy load
stoic breach
The thompson and suomi are now only good at flanking because you're slightly better than other weapons at killing people who arent looking in CQB
prime pine
Not standard rounds
queen canopy
Imagine not using heavy load
ebon trench
Oh and you know that M1 carbine spam you loved? Yeah that's gone
solid hinge
Heavy load garand is a 4btk beyond 50 metres
spare citrus
i'm gonna go off and enjoy another game , for good
wooden timber
is battlefield 5 as good as 1
queen canopy
Yeah the semis feel HELLA sluggish now
prime pine
Sorry you had to deal with thi shit
spare citrus
and most everyone else is too, it seems
ebon trench
I really loved that goddammed spamming on the semi auto rifles
wooden timber
because judging from gameplay it looks like ass (in my opinion :) )
queen canopy
Sometimes @wooden timber
prime pine
It's not right now Ez, Unless you can deal with these changes
dense bone
@solid hinge yea all that says is that changing ttk isnt the goal, not that its not going to change
raw orbit
Titanfall 2 
spare citrus
that's an ea game
prime pine
Semi autos aren't even that bad
stoic breach
But TTK did change
dense bone
it did
prime pine
I mean, Pre 5.2
ebon trench
Oh shit thats free atm @raw orbit
prime pine
They weren't as opressive
ebon trench
Nice thanks for reminding me
dense bone
but they didnt say that it wasnt going to change
raw orbit
Yeah but respawn are actually good devs
rancid sequoia
Other games with ww1 or ww2 Verdun tannenburg hell let loose
dense bone
jesus christ how is this hard to comprehend?
raw orbit
And tf2 is a fucking godlike game
ebon trench
I'm hearing there's massive updates for Verdun coming
stoic breach
Thats really bending the argument
ebon trench
And Tannenberg coming to ps4
dense bone
no its not
ebon trench
Yus
queen canopy
I prefer Phantom Forces on Roblox 
ebon trench
prime pine
Untitled goose game is coming to Xbox and Ps4
wanton cairn
World War 3 on Steam, check it out
stoic breach
You can also defintely say "they said it wasnt their goal to change the TTK, but they changed it, so they're incompetent"
solid hinge
If the hardest thing they try to push is that their goal isnt to change the ttk and then they change the ttk they have fucked up
dense bone
ive heard here that "dice said they arent changing it" when theres nothing in that post where dice says "we arent changing ttk"
ebon trench
OH SHIT FOR REAL? @prime pine
ebon trench
nice
wooden timber
so why arent you guys just playing tf2 instead of battlefield
stoic breach
So it either shows deceit or incompetence
ebon trench
You're right @wooden timber
queen canopy
Because I like battlefield lmao
prime pine
Dec the 17th
solid hinge
because tf2 reminds me about how good games are
ebon trench
TF2 is the shit mang
wanton cairn
@wooden timber because some of us still actually enjoy it lol
solid hinge
and then I cant play bfv anymore
dense bone
@stoic breach neither of those actually
stoic breach
They were aware of the side effect though
ebon trench
I've wasted more time on sniper than any other class
stoic breach
They had been aware the whole they were making it
dense bone
yes, thats why they said its not their goal to change it though
prime pine
If black ops 2 was populated i'd actually play that instead
wooden timber
i hope you guys are talking about team fortress 2 like me and not titanfall 2
dense bone
thats not their intentions, but it will hapen
ebon trench
yes mate I was @wooden timber
prime pine
You've got it al mixed up, Ez! how could you!
wooden timber
you have one chance to not be cringe
sonic rampart
@dense bone they actually did say in the livestream that they weren't touching the ttk
prime pine
Ahhhhhhhhhhhh!
spare citrus
world war 3 isn't console is it?
ebon trench
TF2 is the best game bruh
dense bone
are you made they didnt explicitly say "changing ttk isnt our goal, but it will change because thats the nature of our intentions"?
ebon trench
Nah PC only @spare citrus
spare citrus
all the good war games right now are pc
wooden timber
Heavy? On dustbowl?
wanton cairn
@spare citrus not yet no
ebon trench
I was Jarate snoipah @wooden timber
raw orbit
Quadruple jump scout
dense bone
@sonic rampart if thats the case thats fine, im just going off what was posted, which has no example of dice saying "we arent changing ttk"
spare citrus
i wouldn't even tried bf v if insurgency came out last year like expected
solid hinge
It's purposefully ambiguous wording
dense bone
it seems pretty direct to me
ebon trench
If they brought post scriptum or hell let loose to consoles Id buy those in heartbeat
Fuck yeah
sonic rampart
Im sure they'll tweak it
spare citrus
yep rise
viscid crater
So dice said they aren't changing anything?
prime pine
If i liked modern warfare i'd play that
sonic rampart
They never said that
ebon trench
Just call me Mat @spare citrus
dense bone
@sonic rampart jesus christ
rancid sequoia
i think they should for the next game 1. make it like bf 3 2. dont fuck up the trailers 3 fix the bugs before they become overwhelming 4 set up a public test server 5 and give upthe tides of war and have interesting content
sonic rampart
How tf did you make that up
wooden timber
back in battlefield 1 i always used the baby gun
ebon trench
Fuckin Rise is my platoon
dense bone
this is why people need to get better reading comprehension
spare citrus
doesnt matter , it's the way dice treats the community
wooden timber
i forgot what the real name was
solid hinge
we arent intending to change ttk but almost every gun in the game takes an extra bullet close up and over 4 bullets at range now but that's ok we're not intending for this
raw orbit
Whether dice wanted to or not it's still shit 
spare citrus
it's not the ttk
prime pine
g18?
stoic breach
Reading comprehension when they said it on stream
ebon trench
I think the new firerate on the trench carbine is 👌
stoic breach
Its more convenient to get a screencap than a timestamp
stoic breach
For everyone
sonic rampart
@dense bone did you see what happened
dense bone
@stoic breach are you even paying attention at this point?
wooden timber
a fantastic weapon
sonic rampart
Lmfao
raw orbit
Frommer stop auto + obrez
ebon trench
I used the 1911 extended because I'm classy like that
raw orbit
SO damn good
wooden timber
only for true intellectuals who smoke pipe next to the fireplace
prime pine
Well
dense bone
@stoic breach some dude just said "dice said they werent changing anything?" and thats what we are replying to
prime pine
I dunno who has seen it
raw orbit
Yes 
prime pine
But who wants to see my fly
ebon trench
Plus I was a pistol whore in bf1
ebon trench
600kills on my 1911
rancid sequoia
me too rise
ebon trench
And a couple hundy on my peacekeeper
stoic breach
Well now that all the information is here, its kind of irrelevant to insult people for their reading skills
prime pine
I really liked the Webley and m1911 in bf1
ebon trench
Peacekeeper was sexy
rancid sequoia
yea
dense bone
when their reading skills are bad...
wooden timber
what music do you guys listen to when gaming hard in battlefield
dense bone
no one said "dice said they arent changing anything" and thats what that dude came to the conclusion of.. thats bad reading comprehension
raw orbit
Jurassic park theme scuffed flute version
wanton cairn
Gets me pumped
prime pine
They did technically change it though
spare citrus
lol bodie
rancid sequoia
the bf 1 sound track is art in my opinion
solid hinge
to be honest it's fair to assume that when a triple A company say their goal isnt to do something that they're not going to do it
viscid crater
@prime pine I would have rezed you
spare citrus
nyph do us a favor and go play youre getting fkn irritating
dense bone
dice definitely said they were changing something, so theres no way they said they werent changing anything
solid hinge
@spare citrus don't be rude 
spare citrus
not everyone is as smart as you, clearly , go get your shine box
raw orbit
5.2 sucks who cares what dice said
wooden timber
i still remember how dissapointed i became when i saw the battlefield 5 trailer