battlefield-legacy-titles

[autumn bane]

its a smg AR

according to dice

🙄

[solid hinge]

tfw it outclasses the ZK

[heavy meadow]

i dont get it. stats and EOR info is visible until i rank up the class

then it goes fuck you

failed to fetch

this cant be a coincidence

[solid hinge]

@autumn bane oh I know but people called the suomi and the tommy smg snipers but these 2 weapons suck now

[hoary condor]

failed to fetch seems to fix then get broken.... again

[solid hinge]

My kills per minute with the MAB38 is 2.55 now

It’s OP 😂

[ebon trench]

Mfw jungle carbine still fun

It's literally the only gun I use on medic now smgs are a pile of nerf guns

Most of them really

[solid hinge]

Lol

Just use the MP40, Type 100 and the MAB38

They are the new medic meta now

[ebon trench]

Those are meh Use a SUOMI

[echo turtle]

Suomi

[ebon trench]

this post made by SUOMI GANG

[echo turtle]

Eh, I'd take a type 100 now

[solid hinge]

Suomi is a hitmarker machine now

[sturdy osprey]

I don't think stats if any kind on community games servers will count because it can always be exploited

Of

Just assignments perhaps will

[spare citrus]

what squad alfie?

[sturdy osprey]

What's progression enabled mean if stats are disabled?

[ebon trench]

Your main rank xp so @sturdy osprey

[echo turtle]

Assignment progression probably

[ebon trench]

That too

[fleet bloom]

is rsp out today ?

[spare citrus]

it's broken like everything else , stay here today lol

[sturdy osprey]

Oh so we can get that but not tow

Lol

Tf

Makes no sense

[spare citrus]

nothing they do does, yet the stroke of brilliance that is pacific maps , must be dice on those and ea on everything else

that's the only reason i came back, legit wwii maps

why the f i wana run around with a shotgun in a subaway

i can do that on cod

[echo turtle]

Because why not

[spare citrus]

it's called battlefield, make it a battlefield

[heavy meadow]

@spare citrus as soon as i ranked up on my assault for practice games, they stopped working

[echo turtle]

Also, why in God's name is there a fucking explosive barrel by one of the mounted machine guns in underground

[spare citrus]

aras and panzer only thing good other than pacific maps, that's just my opinion

everything else is cod tier

well rotterdam and devastation i'm sorry those too

[sturdy osprey]

They should let us enable the original AT rifle effect

[echo turtle]

Rotterdam is fine

[solid hinge]

@spare citrus my SCO squad

[tribal aurora]

I really really like Marita tbh

[spare citrus]

so far the only guys i see and go, jfc these guys again are 30th , seems all those guys own

[solid hinge]

@steady nymph so does every map

[echo turtle]

Devastation is just extreme hide and seek imo

[spare citrus]

marita is like a garden maze , i don;t dig it

[solid hinge]

Marita has bulletproof bushes

[echo turtle]

"where did that German go?"

[tribal aurora]

lmao

[spare citrus]

oddly dev i hide the least , i run and gun alot more there than anywhere , no tanks, minimal snipers

[tribal aurora]

yeah the mapflow is great

I wish we could change the ticket count on rsp

Marita 200% tickets 24/7

[spare citrus]

oh? i see

[sonic rampart]

What

You cant change the tickets?

[tribal aurora]

no

but I wish we could

smh

[sonic rampart]

[tribal aurora]

January maybe they will add that "feature"

[sonic rampart]

Soon TM

[solid hinge]

Operation underground 200% tickets 24/7 pre 5.2

[sonic rampart]

Pre 5.2

[spare citrus]

i dont use axis weapons unless they are glitched by dice lol

[tribal aurora]

[solid hinge]

🤷‍♂️

[sonic rampart]

So you dont use the stg

[solid hinge]

5.2 is made for slower players

[sonic rampart]

[solid hinge]

noooooo

i hate user generated servers

[spare citrus]

no , i get ranged by it all the time after 5.2 and the type 100 etc etc

[sonic rampart]

5.2 is made for new players

But it failed

[solid hinge]

angery admin stupid rules

Not for some lol

[sonic rampart]

Cause it takes more bullets to kill a player

[spare citrus]

i'm not changning how i play and what i use cuz dice says , i'll leave first

[tribal aurora]

Yeah I'm not sure if newer player really have a easier time now

[spare citrus]

giving it a week then i'm done

[sonic rampart]

So a new player has to aim better

[tribal aurora]

It feels like I have a much better time going flawless atm

[sonic rampart]

Before they could have luck

Now they cant

Im having a bad time on the open maps

[spare citrus]

dice did this b4, said they listen and would never happen again, and here we are

[tribal aurora]

yeah we know

[sonic rampart]

Well Yes

But actually no

[tribal aurora]

the thing is imo it doesn't really change things that much - new gun meta - less one frame death - better reaction time to avoid deaths - I don't know if I'm totally wrong by this statement but the core playerbase will and has addapted pretty fast and new players are having a hard time now

[sonic rampart]

Its free

Unless you want your server to be online while you’re offline I think

[spare citrus]

@tribal aurora https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnLzjZ3qzJI&t=

[sonic rampart]

@tribal aurora it did change things

[spare citrus]

have a look , i agree with all of it, more too it than ttk , much more

[sonic rampart]

It changed almost everything

You can throw away all your muscle memory for example

[tribal aurora]

yep that's ugly

[autumn bane]

if u flank someone from behind , u will still kill them no matter the ttk

[tribal aurora]

so many times I stopped shooting because I thought the enemy should be dead

[spare citrus]

yep me too

[sonic rampart]

I dont like it that the range is so decreased

Like

All maps are big and when your range is so little

[spare citrus]

but instead i'm dead lol

[tribal aurora]

Yeah long range btk needs some tweeks

[sonic rampart]

they should just change it back

And tweek that

Like they were doing before

[ebon trench]

I bet you they'll make us pay for the "privilege" of increased ticket count @tribal aurora

[lofty oar]

FUCKING FIX THIS FUCKING SHIT BITCH ASS GAME FUCKING FUCk

[spare citrus]

also, if i may say, something i thought of as i was falling asleep last night

i know some of you had to clear space to install, i think, that perhaps , that's a copy of the game being made prior to the changes , so they can easily be reverted , just a thought

i also don't think it's any coincidence this was released a week prior to a new map , wake , imo what they should do is....

guys, we screwed up, we're sorry, the game is going back to the way it was, here is wake , the next map will be .......on ......... we found the could not fecch problem, should be fixed.....and everyone gets 10k cc

gonna be an interesting week , for me , i said i'd give it till wens, thurs is the new map , so, if no changes are made , that's my departure

[tribal aurora]

@ebon trench I hope very much not...

[spare citrus]

what i posted this morning

[ebon trench]

Same man

Really hope not

But it's EA

And that really gives me that sinking feeling

[lofty oar]

Fucking money is everything fuck

UNINSTALL

Fucking paid for this shit

[spare citrus]

it's fine , i left madden years ago along with nhl

this is an oppurtunity for ea to change

if not, i walk form bf too , life goes on , let them choke on it

[tribal aurora]

yeah maybe the basic rsp will be for free and advanced setting will be rental like it was in the earlier titels

but what do I know

[woven lake]

why do people hate the changes again?

i saw on reddit semi auto and bolt actoin didn't get nerfed

[spare citrus]

right , so new players can still get smoked at range , it's all baffling

i could still use a jung carb, but i won't , i don't wana be that guy

[cerulean thicket]

But not smoked by SMGs and m42s

[tribal aurora]

that weapon is insane now

jungle carb

[cerulean thicket]

yea

[spare citrus]

sten still smokes my tommy with 900 rof at range

i'm not that bad lol

got pegged by two tankers yest

the basic fkn sten the tanker gets lol

[tribal aurora]

yeah tanks got also buffed big time

[cerulean thicket]

sten still gets me at long range

[spare citrus]

it shouldn't , that's fubar

who ;played this and said , yeah , this feels good let's release it , like WHO?

[cerulean thicket]

will there be server announements here?

[gray wigeon]

when does wake island come out for xbox one

[brave garnet]

Nov. 12

[spare citrus]

you want more bugs on wake ?

[idle breach]

@woven lake

1. The patch came with a lot of bugs
2. Some weapons become useless, just weaker than pistols. more unbalanced before the patch
3. vehicles got a lot of buffs and players in general(especially in reddit) hates vehicles
4. 3d spotting is working stupid, just shows the enemy behind cover/smoke/wall or anything within close range
5. people usually don't like fundamental change
6. the overall game is not built around this TTK

[shy badger]

@woven lake There are many reasons, but the main ones are (Talking about ttk)
-Having a hard time killing more than 2 players since you don't have enough ammo
-Gun balance is wack
-Positioning isn't as important and getting caught in the open like a headless chicken is less punishing
-More players zerg because it's easier
-players don't like to change their muscle memory

Ah crap stitch

You're faster

[gray wigeon]

you mean december 12

[idle breach]

6. if you wanna score viable, you are forced to use specific overpowered guns

[spare citrus]

i could care less about wake now , that's on dice and ea, if they don't release a patch by wake i'm off to titanfall maybe , i hear cod sucks balls too , it so sad , no good fighters on console right now

[idle breach]

7. the bugs came with this patch is gamebreaking, like progression is just don't work for everyone in current state, EOR screen is not working at all(it's not really unplayable though), kinda no important bug has been fixed

[brave garnet]

Same, I'll just play War Thunder

[spare citrus]

oh wait, titanfall is an ea game , so ,nope

[tribal aurora]

titanfall 2 is a blast!

[spare citrus]

nothing from ea form here on out if this stays this way , never again , i'm really fkn peeved

[tribal aurora]

[spare citrus]

they ruined madden , i'm sick of their bs

they take a genre , milk it for all it's worth and move on

exactly what happ to madden is what will happen to bf, count on it

[brave garnet]

War Thunder is basically Battlefield without infantry, its vehicles from the late 1920's to the 1980's, so tanks, helicopters, ships and planes, and the maps are huge

[solid hinge]

Hello guys
U can vote (like 5.2 or not)
https://strawpoll.com/saahd5aa
(1click) have a nice day

[spare citrus]

console?

voted yest

[idle breach]

okoay

i voted i like 5.2

because I'm fucking evil

[brave garnet]

1 out of 6 Battlefield players like 5.2

[idle breach]

I'm kinda surprised

who are those people

all-day-vehicle players?

[ebon trench]

Tanks actually feel like I can kill someone of splash damage now @tribal aurora

[spare citrus]

i got banned a week on battlefield forums,(run by ea) for ABBREVAITING profanity , when there is blatant profanity in the game .k

[idle breach]

after 5.2 I kinda playing a lot of tank and planes but fucking bugs are there

[ebon trench]

I may just become a tanker b caus of this update lmao

[coral fiber]

Fuck man
Badmins are coming

[tribal aurora]

Yeah tanks feel strong now

[idle breach]

yeah but in this state

in pacific

[tribal aurora]

Tiger is a god damn beast now

[idle breach]

planes are the apex predator

[ebon trench]

Like I went 43 and 2 on Iwo Jima in shermans

Like hell yeah

[coral fiber]

Now people are gunna kick or ban me because i fly lol

[idle breach]

yeah lol

fly bad = not getting a score or anything and people kick you because you're "doing nothing"

[ebon trench]

Run before I fliegerfaust you

Lul

[idle breach]

fly good = people kick you because you're filthy tryhard pilot

wtf lol

[coral fiber]

I make a lot of people angry

[brave garnet]

There's guy I know who can go 100-0 in a tank

[ebon trench]

I only get mad at firebomber pilots

That shits ridiculous

[rich moon]

hi everyone

[brave garnet]

Hei

[idle breach]

2x500 bomb can 1shot 100hp tank now.

[coral fiber]

I could go 100 kills in a game if i wanted to
But that's too boring

[solid hinge]

guys my max bomber did 5 damage to a fortification

[tribal aurora]

@idle breach couldn't they befoe?

[rich moon]

is this discord just for bfv or other bfs as well?

[solid hinge]

while there was like 100 players in the spawn

[idle breach]

they added the reticle

it was much harder before

[coral fiber]

@rich moon All Battlefields

[solid hinge]

taking a long shit

[rich moon]

ah decent

[solid hinge]

lol

[fleet bloom]

these polls people do about 5.2 are so inaccurate and stupid

[rich moon]

i bought bfv after pacific patch, dont like ttk

is bf1 worth getting

[buoyant fossil]

Yeah

[rich moon]

on ps4

[idle breach]

before the patch only the elite pilots can actually toss the bomb and make direct hit, kinda deserves the kill I think

[buoyant fossil]

Compared to BFV definitely

[idle breach]

but with reticles.. I'm not sure...

[coral fiber]

TTK is slow there too but not as slow as 5.2 TTK

[buoyant fossil]

But before the patch ehh

[rich moon]

should i get like the premium with all the dlcs?

[keen spade]

don't you love it how when you join a server

[tribal aurora]

@coral fiber how do you feel about the changes for the pacific planes?

[keen spade]

even with enough players

[coral fiber]

Meh

[keen spade]

the game will say there isn't enough

[idle breach]

meh

[coral fiber]

I mean there's more variety and shit but ehh

[idle breach]

the problem was balance between the planes

[buoyant fossil]

@rich moon People still play the game so yeah

[idle breach]

no variety forced to use right plane or you're getting shot down by enemy plane

[rich moon]

@buoyant fossil there wont be any issues with finding enough players?

[spare citrus]

jfc cod looks like a fkn cartoon

[coral fiber]

See the thing is... Im a dogfighter
Not a bomber

[buoyant fossil]

I see people play the base maps and dlc on the tsr and turing tides

@rich moon Only at certain times

[rich moon]

are there dedicated servers like there were in BF3 and BF4?

[idle breach]

I mean, unless some specific mode in specific map

[buoyant fossil]

like the weekend or at night

[coral fiber]

I enjoy air to air combat more than farming infantry

[idle breach]

both teams got planes, if a pilot going 60-0

[tribal aurora]

I feel like the zero is superior compared to the corsair in dogfights

[idle breach]

that's not just "plane overpowered REEEE"

[coral fiber]

They're both the same imo

[fleet bloom]

do any of you lag when you shoot enemy planes while dogfighting ? it started happening for me with this patch

[buoyant fossil]

There are dedicated severs for dlc and base maps

[idle breach]

it's just he's a good pilot or enemy pilots are completely underskilled

[tribal aurora]

zeros main gun has a higher rof

[buoyant fossil]

My game stutters

[rich moon]

by dedicated i mean like 24/7 on one map, 3000% tickets if i want

[coral fiber]

The only difference is the nose guns the zero has and irl the zero had higher maneuverability than the corsair

[fleet bloom]

zero has the longer sustained fire spec too, for main weapon, it is much better

[tribal aurora]

yeah

[coral fiber]

The corsair irl was faster and the guns were mounted on the wings
Made it hard to be accurate

[buoyant fossil]

I'm not sure if there are server's like that

maybe

[tribal aurora]

oh I see

[stable geyser]

as i expected the servers are mank

[coral fiber]

That's why zero's win fights because the nose guns give them an accuracy advantage

[stone slate]

sup

[rich moon]

looks like i will get BF1, thanks for the help

[stone slate]

why not bf5

?

[rich moon]

i have bf5

[stone slate]

k

[rich moon]

got it a month ago

[coral fiber]

But if a corsair pilot knows how to aim the guns, then it actually takes down the zero very fast

[rich moon]

dont like the new ttk, garand is shit now

[stone slate]

i thought u had to choose. i might play bf1 again

[tribal aurora]

m1 is still strong imo

[spare citrus]

i was top tier in fighter ace 1.5 , i have no desire to fly without a joystick so , meh

[fleet bloom]

with 4lmgs instead of the 20mm they both the same accuracy 🤷

[idle breach]

fighter ace 1.5?

[rich moon]

i never even got around to using the fg42 prepatch, feelsbadman

[spare citrus]

i have two precision pros still in box but no gaming pc

[hollow wadi]

Ima stick with bf1 and bf4 for now until they revert the ttk changes

[idle breach]

isn't that some really old flight sim game I h eard of that

like

falcon 4.0

IL-2

[spare citrus]

90s stitch

[spiral flume]

is there a fix for weapons not unlocking after reaching the required rank?

[coral fiber]

The 4x 20mm NON EXPLOSIVE cannons really do shred planes if you're accurate

[stable ledge]

Does anyone try community games so far?

[idle breach]

yeah I remember as a kid reading about that in some magazine or somethin

[spare citrus]

was awesome , the community everything

[hollow wadi]

Is community games any good

[tribal aurora]

@stable ledge yeah I tried out some domination server

[rich moon]

what is the m1919 like in bf1

[idle breach]

I was like wow. and of course I liked plane, but never got the chance to play like

[sonic rampart]

Can you play modes they removed?

Like rush

[idle breach]

no way my mom would buy me a new pc and some joystick lol and I would never play it properly

[tribal aurora]

@sonic rampart yeah sure

[coral fiber]

@sonic rampart yes

[sonic rampart]

[tribal aurora]

rush, domination, grind, outpost, frontlines

[coral fiber]

Frontlines,rush,outpost

[tribal aurora]

whatever you like

[idle breach]

not a kid-friendly game I guess, couldn't even understand how "flight" works lol

[sonic rampart]

Rush operation underground

[tribal aurora]

yep that's great

[idle breach]

only some 'realistic' game I can play is car games

[hollow wadi]

What about a 1hp liberator only server

[tribal aurora]

that's a no

[fleet bloom]

is there only like 5 maps for the time gated modes ?

[idle breach]

melee only server

[hollow wadi]

Then I ain't playing it till then

[tribal aurora]

can't touch weapon or hp settings yet

[hollow wadi]

Then no

[velvet lotus]

sector airstrike only server

[tribal aurora]

lmao

[hollow wadi]

Yes

[sonic rampart]

And no tickets settings

[velvet lotus]

30m of total chaos

[sonic rampart]

Wait can you change the time?

[velvet lotus]

and you cant leave

[fleet bloom]

god what's even the point in releasing it

[sonic rampart]

Like match ends in 5 hours for frontlines

[echo turtle]

Grind

[sonic rampart]

Better than nothing

[idle breach]

can't they just fucking stop unreleasing unfinished content lol

[echo turtle]

even though it's a modified mode so it won't be released until later

[hollow wadi]

I want my liberator only server until then I ain't touching it

[idle breach]

it's live service not eternal open paid beta

[coral fiber]

24/7 underground servers are already up

[sonic rampart]

[idle breach]

haha

[sonic rampart]

Who wouldve thought

[hollow wadi]

24/7 1hp liberator only server

On underground

[idle breach]

the only safe haven for 60-0 plane plane no need skill whining people

[coral fiber]

Not yet

Next patch when they actually add the good shit to community games

[sonic rampart]

Max amount tickets 24/7 OP metro

[dense bone]

oh shit i still havent played underground yet

[sonic rampart]

!!Lmao Dutch

[dense bone]

Lmao Dutch

[sonic rampart]

[dense bone]

i keep getting that U shaped map with the fire castle on the hill in the middle

[sonic rampart]

Marita?

[dense bone]

ye

[idle breach]

according to reddit, pilots and tankers are people without skill going 60-0 every round and they should move to CoD because they're the CoD kids

[coral fiber]

Lol

[dense bone]

the skill i takes to go 60-0 vs infantry going that same score is dramatic

[idle breach]

never knew cod was about planes and tanks

[simple ingot]

I’m a pilot and I have skill when it comes to infantry, but I can never go 60-0

[dense bone]

and they are chasing KD so they should go cod

[coral fiber]

Going high KD is fucking boring

[idle breach]

they don't understand the idea of "other pilot trying to stop pilot going 60-0" or doing 20k point

[simple ingot]

Best I can get in 10-0 b4 some one hops in and Tank Destroyer or a aa tank which sucks

[idle breach]

like

[sonic rampart]

^^

[buoyant fossil]

I went 74-4 with a Tank before

[simple ingot]

And yes high kd is boring

[echo turtle]

AA tanks

[sonic rampart]

If you care about kd

[hollow wadi]

Just like the KD whore snipers

[simple ingot]

I like a challenger

[sonic rampart]

Youll never do the crazy dumb stuff

[idle breach]

they're thinking like every pilots in BFV are one big community linked in neural network so not shooting each other

[dense bone]

guaranteed people getting stupid vehicle kds wont even get close playing infantry

[coral fiber]

I went 54 - 0 in a sherman once

[buoyant fossil]

AA a tanks are boring

[sonic rampart]

[simple ingot]

Cool

[echo turtle]

AA tanks were scary

[idle breach]

went like 110-0 once in HMG tank with iwo jima

fucking overpowered shit

[echo turtle]

Now they're a joke

[idle breach]

ever used a hachi after 5.2?

[echo turtle]

Seeing a flakpanzers meant death

[sonic rampart]

I never went that high

[idle breach]

that shit is just sturmtiger with steroid

[buoyant fossil]

I pulled 60-3 with a churchill on areodome

[coral fiber]

I had more fun fighting with 2 dogfighters than going 122 - 0 on one pacific storm match

[idle breach]

sturmtiger with more gun, more speed

[buoyant fossil]

Churchill is my baby

[idle breach]

hachi is just fucking mental

[buoyant fossil]

Best tank of WW2

[sonic rampart]

But I dont use vehicles

[fleet bloom]

pacific aa tanks are the best tanks in the game dont@ me

[buoyant fossil]

Are you sure?

[dense bone]

people talk about their kd, then i see their bfv stats and see they are vehicles whores and just disregard them thinking they are good

[idle breach]

I used hachi on last two sector on pacific storm breakthrough and killed more than 60 guys

[buoyant fossil]

what is 105 sherman

[coral fiber]

There's more variety that's why

[sonic rampart]

Saying dont @ me is asking people to @ you

Lmao

[coral fiber]

Now euro tanks are not so bad anymore

[sonic rampart]

[buoyant fossil]

Churchill and Valentine were never bad

they were ok at best

Compared to the tiger and panzer 4

[sonic rampart]

Imagine the US tanks in eu maps while the axis tanks arent changed

[idle breach]

https://battlefieldtracker.com/bfv/profile/origin/hawaianalien/overview?ref=discord

[sonic rampart]

[idle breach]

I'm a filthy vehicle whore which belong to cod

[coral fiber]

So I've made a remarkable found yesterday
Apparently crates can 1 hit kill planes

[buoyant fossil]

Japanese tanks were bad in general

why would they be in europe

[idle breach]

they were... obsolete in irl

hago, chiha were not a 'badly designed' tanks, they were just mediocre 30's tanks. the problem was they were still using that tank till 1945.

[buoyant fossil]

they were so obsolete that a Sherman's AP shell went through the tank

[idle breach]

yeah they were like

[buoyant fossil]

Only HEAT could do something

[idle breach]

they kinda stopped developing tank

[buoyant fossil]

that's why you see mostly 105s rather than the 75

They stopped because the Navy took most of the funding

[idle breach]

they fought with red army, fought with their tank like BT things

thought oh, I think we need better tanks but

[buoyant fossil]

Too bad they went as fast as the bt

[idle breach]

they were focusin on chinese front and their shitty tank was doing kinda fine

[buoyant fossil]

They did have the chi-to which had a autoloader

[simple ingot]

One time I was in a spit with the 2x 50 lb bombs and was annoying two Wirbelwinds on hamada they just say in their spawn and it was hilarious

[buoyant fossil]

for the U.S invasion of Japan

but the penetration was only 91mm

[idle breach]

and while watching european theatre and thought huh, maybe we need that thing? but

[buoyant fossil]

So a Jumbo could definitely block that shot

[idle breach]

can't even properly transport infantry units. proper medium or heavy tank is useless anyway

[simple ingot]

What y’all talking about jumbo vs chi ha

[buoyant fossil]

Just bad logistics

[idle breach]

they even lacked basic field guns

[buoyant fossil]

Jumbo is god @simple ingot

[idle breach]

if the germans developed some dark magic shit and spawned 500 tiger A in Tokyo japan can't ship that thing properly to frontline so

[simple ingot]

Nah fam imma stick my tigor 2

[buoyant fossil]

That why they use naval guns as AT

All i want to see the Comet or Black prince

[idle breach]

and I demand

they fix the archer

[buoyant fossil]

Yummy V12

[idle breach]

why is the archer driving backward?

[buoyant fossil]

weight distribution

[idle breach]

no I mean in bfv

[simple ingot]

What about a king tiger as a behemoth and a tortoise

[idle breach]

I think in this kinda video game

[buoyant fossil]

If the put the 17pdr in the front the thing would hit the ground

[idle breach]

M3 LEE would be fucking awesome

[simple ingot]

Lol

[raw orbit]

Big brain brits

[buoyant fossil]

so put it in the back

[idle breach]

no not irl but ingame

[buoyant fossil]

oh

[idle breach]

why archer going backward

[buoyant fossil]

idk

[simple ingot]

American Africa campaign m3 lee

[idle breach]

make archer properly

gib m3 lee

[buoyant fossil]

Gib crusader

[idle breach]

two cannons? fucking good

[simple ingot]

If they add t34 what variant should they put

76 or 85

[shy badger]

Both

[buoyant fossil]

85

[idle breach]

no

not both

OT-34.

[buoyant fossil]

YES

[idle breach]

YES

OT-34!

[shy badger]

Ot34?

[simple ingot]

I think the 85 should be put it, i think it’s more rare, but it has more power

[idle breach]

T-34 coax mg replaces with flamethrower

OT-34

[buoyant fossil]

it wasn't rare

[shy badger]

Nice

[simple ingot]

Cool

[idle breach]

NICE

we should have

[simple ingot]

The 85 wasn’t rare

[shy badger]

They can have all

Like with the sherman

[buoyant fossil]

the 85 saw service from kursk to Berlin

[idle breach]

T-34 with 76 or 57 with stock

we can have 85

[simple ingot]

Oh I just don’t see it much so that’s why I said that

[idle breach]

and flamethrower

and gib some fucking DshK

[simple ingot]

But what we really all need to dominate tigers, churchillsX and other tanks

[buoyant fossil]

There were even some with bedrack armor

[idle breach]

and M2

[simple ingot]

Is the bob semple tank

[stark meteor]

Man certain CMs and 2 devs lied to all 200+ of us.... said we would be able to get our own hardcore server if we stuck around, its been over 1.1 years now.. and only 100 or so left actively....

[buoyant fossil]

to beat panzerfuast attacks

[idle breach]

kugelpanzer

[simple ingot]

The bob semple tank will solve our problems

[buoyant fossil]

Skink

[idle breach]

goliath

[simple ingot]

Yea

[buoyant fossil]

TOG 2

[stark meteor]

bf2142

[buoyant fossil]

OLD GANG BOYS

[simple ingot]

Or bring back the ft

Lol

[buoyant fossil]

Char 2

[simple ingot]

Yea

[buoyant fossil]

AMX 50

[simple ingot]

Abrams

[buoyant fossil]

Amx 50 bat chac

[simple ingot]

P 1000 rate

[idle breach]

BMPT

[simple ingot]

Ratte*

[idle breach]

BMPT = the IRL tank made for be overpowered in video games

[buoyant fossil]

M26 super pershing

T54E1 90mm gun

[idle breach]

tbh, american tanks are not really interesting in general

except M3

or like T28/T95

american tanks are too normie

[buoyant fossil]

they are

[idle breach]

like

[buoyant fossil]

same goes for german

Only the Jumbo is my favorite sherman

or the super pershing

[idle breach]

yeah but at least germans got some makeshift extreme things

some deseperate attempt

look at ussr/russia

[buoyant fossil]

But the British had one of the best guns of the war

[idle breach]

that's how you make some TANKS

[buoyant fossil]

yep

but tank doctrines did the deciding factor

[idle breach]

brits and their weird obsession on specific things

[buoyant fossil]

The Americans had support

[idle breach]

"WE LIKE HESH AND WE'RE GONNA LIKING IT"

[buoyant fossil]

British was bait and switch

Germans were kill all and be expensive

[idle breach]

german tank doctrine was.. wrong

british and american one are also wrong

everyone was wrong except ussr but

irl everyone was just doing makeshift thing so

[buoyant fossil]

British tanks will always be my favorite

Especially the Centurion

Best cold war tank

[idle breach]

I like the cromwell and

hmm

brit tank...

they're all equally weird

I can't really think of some iconic weirdo tank of britain

[brave garnet]

All tanks are interesting

[simple ingot]

British tanks are memes

[idle breach]

except some prototype thing

[brave garnet]

Dosen't matter what they are or what country they're from

[simple ingot]

Fav tank in bfv

[idle breach]

Pz4 in europe

[simple ingot]

My is the Sturmgeschütz

[brave garnet]

I forgot what British tank it was the the engine was a shitty-ish one but the sound it made was amazing

[idle breach]

in pacific

[simple ingot]

No zero in Europe and me 262 in pacific

[brave garnet]

I think it was the Centurion

[idle breach]

maybe hago

[simple ingot]

Tbh idk

[buoyant fossil]

Chieftain

Leyland l60

[idle breach]

pz4 because it's so good

[simple ingot]

That might be it

[idle breach]

hago because it's so awkward

[buoyant fossil]

Centurion had V12

[brave garnet]

The engines on the ME 262 lasted at the most, 50hrs before needing replacement

[simple ingot]

Lol, it was 7 minutes

[idle breach]

what

the

me262?

[icy sluice]

Thought I'd give some of you an update on this 5.2 situation

[brave garnet]

1st ME 262 got hounded by a squadron of American P-47 Thunderbolt's

[idle breach]

so like use the left engine for 7 minutes and use other engine for 7 minues and then jsut fucking die?

[simple ingot]

Kommandant, mein Engines have been running for 6 mins and 23 sex’s i gotta go home

Seconds*

[idle breach]

that's not even a fighter or interceptor

like

[buoyant fossil]

262 was ass

[simple ingot]

Yes stitch

[idle breach]

isnt' that "eco-friendly man-piloted missile"

[simple ingot]

Lol

[buoyant fossil]

there i said it

[idle breach]

"reusable kamikaze"

[brave garnet]

262 was made to make prop driven planes look like relics

[buoyant fossil]

Took late and wasted

[idle breach]

7 minutes are too short jesus

I bet fucking ladybug can fly longer than that

[buoyant fossil]

I thought it was 40 to an hour

[idle breach]

yeah 7 minutes makes no sence

[brave garnet]

The German's made sooo many cool vehicles but by the time they put them into service they're shit

[buoyant fossil]

TIGER 2

[idle breach]

german tanks, espeically heavy tanks are so overrated

[buoyant fossil]

I'm sorry but that tanks is ass

[idle breach]

once in bfv reddit i fucking argued with some idiot keep saying Tiger B had a good mobility

fucking

[buoyant fossil]

overrated and useless

[brave garnet]

Like if the Maus entered service, the Soviet IS-2 would have no problem killing one

[idle breach]

saying something like "it was agile as most of the tank in WW2"

[buoyant fossil]

Should just Kept using the panther

[idle breach]

that's not even physically possible fucking hell

[simple ingot]

Hans, our transmission broke again.

[buoyant fossil]

The long 76 was good enough

[idle breach]

if that's plausible I'm gonna put a fucking giant 20t weight on 2001 honda civic and

[buoyant fossil]

fuck the 88 make it a tank destroyer

[idle breach]

civic can go faster than ferrari

[brave garnet]

Pz. IV was an outdated vehicle but it was better than all the others

[idle breach]

same engine, more weight. how can it go faster

[buoyant fossil]

Han's the final drive broke

[simple ingot]

Lol

[buoyant fossil]

Had least it wasn't like the Black Prince

[idle breach]

Hans would reply like "oh, not only the final one"

[buoyant fossil]

You had half a second to switch 4 gears

[spare citrus]

when i played wwii online , the 88 was a tank killer, if you didn't see it in the woods, two shots, dead

[idle breach]

and talking about Tiger B had GOOD K/D ratio in IRL

like

fucking K/D ration in IRL??????

[buoyant fossil]

miss and restart front the beginning

[brave garnet]

The panther caught fire on uneven ground, the tiger 1 broke down from the engine or transmission and the tiger II broke down if you neutral steer

[idle breach]

nashorn K/D ratio is fucking insane and

[buoyant fossil]

Nashorn was good

[idle breach]

I bet fucking 105mm howitzer has some sick pro K/D ratio

[buoyant fossil]

but the reverse killed it

[brave garnet]

All tank crews missed alot of shots

[buoyant fossil]

German tanks and British tanks had horrible reverse gears

[brave garnet]

They won't always hit everything

[buoyant fossil]

Comet and Cromwell with 1 mph

[brave garnet]

@buoyant fossilbruh

M4 Sherman reverse gear 3mph or 5kph

Hahahahaha

[buoyant fossil]

Better than the Comet

[brave garnet]

Oh yeah

2mph

[buoyant fossil]

SPEED IS KEY

British high command

Put's a speed limiter

[brave garnet]

Speed governer*

[buoyant fossil]

I get it it's for safety

thank you

[brave garnet]

I'd love to keep talking about tanks here but i gotta go

[spare citrus]

tnak you

[idle breach]

govern the speed.

what a posh way to say "speed limiter"

[buoyant fossil]

Very posh

[stable ledge]

Why don't we create here a "community game" channel so that we can ping each other and play squad vs squad?

[dense bone]

PUG?

[stable ledge]

Battlefield. You can now create custom servers

[brave garnet]

Does anyone have a question about tanks?

[dense bone]

pug = pick up games

[radiant violet]

Anybody else not getting Company coins after leveling up since latest update?

[spare citrus]

that would be cool fatty

[stable ledge]

Yes

Yes PUG

[spare citrus]

thought you were leaving tanki lol

yes hyph everyone

[brave garnet]

Idc about company coins because there's nothing to buy

Its all boins only now

[radiant violet]

@spare citrus Its anoying because I cant level up my guns..

[spare citrus]

still have mods i wana do , night owl etc

[stable ledge]

Even if a squad missing a player he can ping others in channel to complete the squad

[spare citrus]

yes it is , if it isn;t fixed by wake release i'm all done

dooooooooooooooone

[radiant violet]

@brave garnet There are guns upgrades

[brave garnet]

Ik

But other than that nothing

[spare citrus]

i die alot more cuz i tend to not like how they group is playing and run by myself

[brave garnet]

Oof

[spare citrus]

if i have the luck to get bunched with squad guys i tend to follow them and do much better

[idle breach]

have you seen a squad wih

[spare citrus]

no body pushes the line , they hide in corners , drives me crazy

[idle breach]

non-rando squad with

"full tank + plane" squad

that squad just...

that's warcrime.

[spare citrus]

yes on panzer forget squad , 3 of them came over hill in tanks, i just ran the other way lo;l

[idle breach]

bf don't have any ranks and tiers and shits.. it's for just casual fun play

[spare citrus]

all covering each other

[idle breach]

sure there are some people like progressing and improving skill and the game is not really designed around that and

well

kinda hilarious

[stable ledge]

Would be good to have e.g. send and confirm a time a squad can play against an other squad by just sharing the time and the name of the server. Instead of creating e.g. a custom community game and waiting hours another squad to join...

[idle breach]

once I saw a chinese clan

[stable ledge]

I believe we should sync somehow

[idle breach]

a guy picked JU88a,

every other dudes just waiting in spawn

eventually there were a squadron of bomber and

[spare citrus]

yeah me too when i was a kid on tv , the chan clan

[idle breach]

it was worse than squad of lewis hacker

they're not cheating so they're not BAD bt

but

wow that was

some

natural disaster level shit

[low totem]

british tanks

were slow

because we arrive when we need to

not when jerry wants us to, by jove!

[idle breach]

every fucking 30 second the entire objective gets destroyed

obliterated

3x16 small bombs, 3x4 big bombs

it was pure massacre

and I met another

asian..maybe chinese IDK guy on plane.. the best pilot I've ever seen and

fucking dedicated to destroy ONLY enemy vehicles

we practically had no tanks and planes and had to break through iwo jima

every 30 second at least one of our tank gets destroyed

he didn't even care about infantry he just make we don't have any sherman or corsair

[raw orbit]

Bombers being useful and not just farming free kills

[idle breach]

we tired everything liek 2 AA LVT and corsairs and shit and

that AA tank, AA planes were his "free kills"

eventually people don';t wanted to drive tank and planes, kinda rare

I tried to resist him with AA tank, my corsair, I got 0-8

to him

he never misses his bomb fucking every 30 second or so he just fucking "direct hit" my tank with his bomb wtf

go join the army or something

[fervent knot]

So. nobody uses RSP?

Really wanted to play rush

[gloomy kraken]

My matchmaking So far:

1. Server Where the match dosent start
2. Japanese server
3. Another Where match dosent start

[brave coral]

Just use server browser

It’s so much quicker and you avoid these issues

[fervent knot]

I dont find any rush games. Only one with 1/32 Players

in the Server Browser

Think its cause of ToW Progession being disabled

[hoary condor]

is rush back/

[tacit eagle]

Why did they disable ToW?

[buoyant fossil]

boosting

[tacit eagle]

Ah

[coral fiber]

Because dice

I just gunna fuck around with friends in my server

Maybe have a dogfight or something

Or Kübelwagon memes

[hoary condor]

RPS would invite boosters...

i understand why they are doing it

[spare citrus]

what is boosting?

[brave garnet]

In BF1 I used to get into empty servers and boost myself

[spare citrus]

oh, like letting your buddy kill you?

[brave garnet]

Yea

[spare citrus]

creeps

[dense bone]

"this only applies to mp and not co op", you can boost co op by playing with people that can carry you

[low totem]

imagine having friends

[brave garnet]

I had a friend who wanted to get some headshot's to get gold on his gun, so I switched to the enemy team and let him take my head off a few times

[low totem]

then imagine having friends who want to boost

[brave garnet]

Had a small dent in my K/D

I got my PzB 39 to lvl 4 by playing co op

[untold kayak]

cant find any community games. Why? I think its unlikely nobody created one until now

[idle breach]

because community is

D

E

A

D

[hybrid dock]

because you cant name the servers

[brave garnet]

I'd rather use normal bullets on the AT rifle's because the APCR bullets are useless

[idle breach]

i use APCR

[hybrid dock]

how the fuck can they get the bf4 rented servers so right

but fail in this game

[low totem]

i also use APCR. theyre much more effective at disabling modules

[idle breach]

I kinda only use AT rifles with iron sight in close-mid range

yeah

[brave garnet]

They do more damage but you have to be within 100m of the vehicle with APCR and normal bullets deal damage at any distance

@idle breachi do the same

Iron sights

But with "everyone knows where you are 5.2" its stupid

[low totem]

extra fun when it works through walls

so easy BP kills

[brave garnet]

I loved how when the Boys AT came out the APCR destroyed buildings

[low totem]

that was tbh a large part of what i used it for, other than disabling halftrack engines

chipping away cover

[solid hinge]

It was basically a PIAT with more ammo 🤷‍♂️

[low totem]

also

in BFV

why can we not lock doors

that clearly have the locking mechanisms

from BF1

[solid hinge]

Yiu can

In aerodome

[grizzled reef]

Been trying to finish a assignment for like 3 days now but have to keep restarting it 10 headshots while prone in 1 life or 20 in one game and it's impossible now with this update

[dense bone]

headshot multipliers are more important now...

[solid hinge]

laughs in co-op assignments

[dense bone]

you disgust me

[low totem]

i tried to lock the aerodrome doors

couldnt

[brave garnet]

@solid hingeya

They can't be locked you ding dong @low totem

[low totem]

exactly

2nd just said they could

[dense bone]

bf1 had locking mechanics?

that sounds.. dumb

[low totem]

it wasnt

bunker timeee

but the doors could be blown up

[echo turtle]

Which they usually were

If an assault or support player was running with you

[solid hinge]

@grizzled reef which gun?

wtf

But they didn't increase the headshot multiplyers. So headshot were nerfed just as much as all other damage

now you need 32 people in each team in order to start

bullshit

[glossy locust]

take a stand Reddit says

[solid hinge]

If there isn't some good news soon, I'd be up for organising a walk out

Maybe on the launch of wake

[frank badger]

Anyone want to squad up? Been playing medic since bf2

[dense bone]

!!lfg

[ruby trail]

ℹ Looking for Players to play with?
Head over to the Looking For Games channel category.
Please remember to state your region when looking for players to play with!
#lfg-pc #lfg-xbox #lfg-playstation

[solid hinge]

go to community games and join sever lil_den87 #00106 to play conquest

[dense bone]

@solid hinge youd have to go through multipliers and see what the btk and ttk difference is between going to body

[alpine fulcrum]

already evening in europe and no news

[feral grotto]

Found another hacking clan 👌

[solid hinge]

Lil_den, are we friends on origin?

I think we are

no mabye

😉

👀 nyphon also here lol

[dense bone]

?

im usually here at this time

[solid hinge]

ya i think so

We're you the guy I couldn't remember when we added eachother?

[dense bone]

ooooohhh lol @solid hinge i forgot youre from OW

[solid hinge]

Or did I add you after we played on the same squad?

go to community games and join sever lil_den87 #00106 to play conquest

[grizzled reef]

Krag

Like I have been ripping headshots I can only get 17 in a game and on the 10 killstreak headshot like 8 max before I get destroyed

[solid hinge]

Krag wasn't affected by the update, but that assignment sucks hardcore

Really shit assignment

[echo turtle]

Oh

You try camping in the axis spawn during conquest on Hamada?

[solid hinge]

most weapon assignments are crazy anyway 😄

[echo turtle]

Took them over a year to actually consider looking over them

[dense bone]

only weapon i had a hard time with (only one i havent finished) is model 8, short range slr that needs obj hs kills

on a weapon that has no advantage going for the head

[queen hill]

I have a Nvidia 1050 8 gb and I play bf5 on all low settings and I'm still getting stuttering + lag

Is there anything I can do?

[dense bone]

cpu and ram?

[queen hill]

I play bf1 on all low settings and it's fine

I have a core i5 8th gen

8 gb ram

[dense bone]

1 stick

?

[solid hinge]

i think in #technology ppl can help more? 😄

[queen hill]

It's a gaming laptop, not a pc

I plan on building a PC tho

[dense bone]

!!specs

[ruby trail]

ℹ Battlefield V: System Requirements:
Refer to this image to know more about the minimum and recommended system requirements in order to play Battlefield V

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/451791186642993152/509053395768705024/sys.png

[idle breach]

laptop is a PC

[dense bone]

youre meeting minimum requirements, but then you have a laptop

and idk if you have 2 sticks or 1 stick

[queen hill]

1 stivk

Stick

[dense bone]

1 stick gimps gaming hard, and laptops are usually not comparable to their desktop counterparts

[idle breach]

yeah the specs are enough to run low spec, but laptop tend to can't perform it's maximum performance especially running hard work constantly

if you

u

uh

are you living in northern hemisphere?

the normal world?

[queen hill]

Florida

[idle breach]

oh shit

I mean no offense but

if you try playing on winter outside or like

[queen hill]

Florida man

[dense bone]

probably thermal throttling on lesser specs than a desktop honestly

especially with 1 stick

[solid hinge]

@dense bone about assignments: i think they ask for too specific tasks at times

[idle breach]

compared to PC laptop tend to quickly get slower when it working something

[dense bone]

and bf1 just runs better

[queen hill]

But I run bf1 perfectly fine on low graphics

[idle breach]

so if you go outside in december winter playing vidya game in outside like

[queen hill]

Oh

K then

[idle breach]

and if it runs fine, you should consider some

cooling devices you know

the fan thing and such

[dense bone]

yea any system would get more fps on bf1 compared to bfv

[queen hill]

Btw

Should I get a and or Intel processer

And*

[echo turtle]

Amd

[queen hill]

AMD

autocorrect ffs

[idle breach]

and make sure you also turn off the chromatic abbbrerbbcvv something and things in basic video setting, and future frame rendring on

AMD

[dense bone]

you should get a desktop first and foremost

[echo turtle]

Drastically cheaper and better

[dense bone]

technically not better at 1080p, but close enough that theres not reason to not get amd 3rd gen

[idle breach]

I'm AMD fanboy I consider Intel is evil,bad,filthy I don't even care about performance and price. I recommend AMD based on no logical reason. AMD.

[solid hinge]

People

[idle breach]

and laptop has a smaller screen so you can maybe tweak the resolution and things

people

anyway don't call laptop not a pc because I'm personally offended by that

laptop is a portable pc

[solid hinge]

Someone knows when the people of battlefield put the body of tanks?

[dense bone]

last i recall a 9400f was the best bang for buck cpu for performance for dollar, only a 2600 would beat it if theres a big sale on the 2600

[idle breach]

it's a pc it's just a bit small

[echo turtle]

A tower is recommended mainly for the reason you can swap

[queen hill]

AMD Ryzen 9 3900X??

[idle breach]

like my pp

[dense bone]

3900x is overkill for just gaming

[idle breach]

if you call laptop a not pc, you're calling my pp a not pp

[dense bone]

and at this point we probably should go #technology

i thought this was gonna be a fairly quick question

[idle breach]

depending on what resoultion and frame is your target.

[queen hill]

So AMD Ryzen 9 3900X over a i9 9900k

[idle breach]

it's a bit overkill yeah.

both are overkill

[queen hill]

You can't go overkill with a processer

[echo turtle]

Currently it is

[idle breach]

yeah

what resoultion and framrate are you targetin

[echo turtle]

But if you're one of those types that like to prepare go for it

[queen hill]

60+

[idle breach]

UHD?

[echo turtle]

What could be overkill at one point may be the recommended

[queen hill]

I plan on getting a RTX 2070 super

[idle breach]

you can get more than 100 fps in 1440p and more than 60+ in 4k

with that gpu

[queen hill]

Mhm

[idle breach]

if you don't have that monitor your processing power is wasted

I'd rather recommend target some big good monitor with 1440p and over 100hz, and just a GOOD GAMIN CHAIR

[boreal stone]

serveur ouf dans recherche avancé #06014

[queen hill]

Would a ASUS ROG Strix XG32VQ work with a 2070 super
@idle breach

[hoary condor]

#technology

[coral fiber]

Debating whether i should get a bunch of friends in a server and do some dumb shit

[idle breach]

yeah let's go tech

[coral fiber]

Like launching a tiger

[grizzled reef]

Just lost my shit was 1 kill away from completing it and the fucking game lagged hard and killed me

[icy sluice]

Went 44-9 with the Trench Carbine on AD

[hoary condor]

nice

[grizzled reef]

Also went to rank 19 with sniper class still never got the liberator pistol and did it in medic nope still didn't get it

[echo turtle]

Unlocks are broken

[cosmic stream]

i have a problem

[viscid crown]

Guys matches are not working

[cosmic stream]

game says couldnt fetch your data

every single game

[echo turtle]

At the end?

[cosmic stream]

does anyone know why

yeah

[echo turtle]

Broken

[cosmic stream]

lol

[echo turtle]

Correlates with the unlocks

[solid hinge]

hey

whats the gamemode called on twisted steels when ur only on the bridge fighting 3 objectivs

[viscid crown]

Every match says not enough players even if its full

Grind

[solid hinge]

oh

they removed it why

[viscid crown]

Dunno

[echo turtle]

Ltm

[icy sluice]

Don't know how to get screenshots since I changed name tags

[echo turtle]

It'll come back through RSP but later down the line with it being a modified version of a gamemode

[boreal stone]

serveur ouf dans recherche avancé #06014

[spare citrus]

https://twitter.com/BFBulletin/status/1204072294605361154?ref_src=twsrc^tfw|twcamp^tweetembed&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fforums.battlefield.com%2Fen-us%2Fdiscussion%2F197660%2Fdice-knows-the-community-is-upset-with-5-2-ttk

[queen hill]

Wish there was a mosin in bfv

[grizzled reef]

They really messed this game up

I bought it cause most bf games are good but now this shit is like fortnight

Made for kids

[echo turtle]

It doesn't benefit the Christmas kiddos

[idle breach]

no no no how many times we should tell

this is not for christmas kids

this won't benefit the noobs

[brave garnet]

5.2 was just made to balance weapons

[icy sluice]

It's actually harder to kill now

[idle breach]

they don't even have the "viable guns"

[echo turtle]

I can see what dice was going for but they messed a good handful of guns

[idle breach]

even now the noobs are being "violated" and

they can't even get the new progression level reward gun because bug

[brave garnet]

Which reward gun @idle breach

[idle breach]

the gun you should get from leveling up

[echo turtle]

The class rank progression weapons

[brave garnet]

The classes

[solid hinge]

trash developers honestly

lol

[boreal stone]

serveur ouf dans recherche avancé #06014

[dense bone]

english only @boreal stone

[solid hinge]

imagine starting the game yesterady and u cant unlock ANY gun

[dense bone]

!!r1

[ruby trail]

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[idle breach]

if this state is keep going till christmas, the christmas kids would just fucking wrekd only having STG1-5, STEN, KE7, SMLE and wondering why can't they get any more gun

[solid hinge]

Mod wannabe up there

[echo turtle]

Mostly because of the scoreboard not working

[spare citrus]

https://preview.redd.it/1yz6092st4341.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=af0294ba2c229489f813b575e28036a6ce97ec23

[idle breach]

and the veterans would jsut fucking murdering them with broken MG42 high bullet 4hk shit

[echo turtle]

They could just buy the year 2 edition

[idle breach]

and just headshooting them with revolver and abusing 3d spotting

[echo turtle]

Or try and grind out currency

[idle breach]

also cc is broken

you can't get cc now

lol

[echo turtle]

Well year 2 edition it is