And seeing that Christmas is around the corner, and DICE's usual update pattern, I'll probably be upset with the game for a month or potentially another six.
#battlefield-legacy-titles
ionic girder
modern sedge
and then we'll be back to status quo of satisfaction for a bit, then something odd happens
and boom
pt.(how many times has this happened now)
stoic breach
Weapons were already balanced for their effective ranges
heavy meadow
@stoic breach not actually
stoic breach
Its just that possibility was getting mixed up with efficiency
ionic girder
So why put myself through that frustration for potentially supporting a company that I kind of don't want to support anymore. I love Battlefield, but geez. Are they that out of touch with their playerbase?
heavy meadow
depending on your skill, a semi auto could out skill a sniper
stoic breach
Weapons could kill at range, they werent good at it
That just meant bolt actions were too weak
heavy meadow
hell, even an smg in the proper hands
ionic girder
Maybe management is forcing crap to happen?
heavy meadow
nah, it just means you're bad with positioning
stoic breach
An SMG spraying at someone past 50m still requires 8 bullets to land
heavy meadow
i can get into 40 metres from enemy and take off heads
modern sedge
I honestly think this could've been avoided with a cte
and productive feedback from that
stoic breach
Couple that with spray control and bullets missing
Landing 8 shots at range isnt actually worthwhile
modern sedge
I mean, you can still kill people from long range since recoil is 0 on some guns
heavy meadow
well, i guess console gunplay and pc gunplay are diffrent
stoic breach
Especially since there are weapons that can kill faster in less time
Its not
Why does everyone think thats the case
heavy meadow
because aim assist
stoic breach
There is no difference in TTK between console and PC
modern sedge
for whatever reason I've noticed that most people who like the ttk are pc
stoic breach
Aim assist doesnt help you with spray control
heavy meadow
@modern sedge people on pc like the new ttk?
modern sedge
PC is much more precise with controls
heavy meadow
i despise it
modern sedge
Some people here have defended it
stoic breach
Theres also no difference between the amount of bullets it takes to kill people on PC or console
heavy meadow
and most of the people i play it with
ionic girder
There might be a recoil modifier on console.
heavy meadow
it makes the hackers even more powerful by making it take longer to kill them unless in vehicle or recon
stoic breach
The difference between console and PC is that console gets a 25% reduction in vertical recoil, which doesnt really matter
ionic girder
But don't quote me on that.
stoic breach
Theres no mechanical difference between dragging your mouse down and dragging your stick down
So its a non-argument
heavy meadow
the new type 100 which has virtually no recoil on pc vs console :V
that means the type 100 must be a laser gun on console
stoic breach
Yeah
modern sedge
it is
stoic breach
Theres basically no difference
solid hinge
gentlemen bf5 alicam reliable site does anyone know?
ionic girder
I honestly miss the game's gunplay in Chapter 4. Yeah, the game itself sucked then, but the guns felt awesome. At least in my opinion.
stoic breach
PC vs console is a non-argument because there are no mechanical differences when it comes to numbers
heavy meadow
that makes practically other medic weapons useless
solid hinge
gentlemen bf5 receive reliable site does anyone know?
modern sedge
what
solid hinge
türk yokmu a.q
heavy meadow
i think he's trying to buy bfv?
solid hinge
yes
stoic breach
Aim assist doesnt change the way you approach a gunfight, you still hold R2/Mouse 1 to kill someone
solid hinge
trusted site buy bf5
stoic breach
Or pull or click with a semi auto
heavy meadow
buy off ea/origin
ionic girder
They actually felt like guns, not lasor tag weapons, or since this update, potato cannons.
solid hinge
trusted site buy BF5 ??
heavy meadow
BUY OFF ORIGIN/EA
ionic girder
Yeah, Origin.
solid hinge
origin is very expensive
midnight nimbus
buy off G2A tbh
ionic girder
Hold on. Give me a sec.
heavy meadow
he missed the sale didnt he?
urban sleet
guys should i get bfv
heavy meadow
it was like 22 bucks AUD on monday/tuesday
urban sleet
at this time
solid hinge
G2A Trusted ??
heavy meadow
@urban sleet with the current progression bug. wait till it's fixed
ionic girder
There is a great website that sells awesome games for like $5-$20.
urban sleet
aight then
solid hinge
G2A Buy bf5 Trusted ??
night glade
wait until after the holidays when all of this stuff is fixed and the controversy has blown over
modern sedge
I guess g2a works
heavy meadow
@urban sleet for context, you can't get any new weapons until you level the class to the maximum 20
solid hinge
Is the G2A reliable?
heavy meadow
it was fixed 6 months ago but the new patch brought it back
@solid hinge that's up to you to decide
solid hinge
buy bf5 G2A ?
urban sleet
well damn
heavy meadow
i had a bad first experience with G2A with an invalid key for Nier Automata
so i don't buy from G2A anymore
solid hinge
@heavy meadow I don't know if it's reliable
stoic breach
Yeah, G2A is better for older games
Sins of a Solar Empire was like 40c on G2A
Very nice
solid hinge
I'll buy BF5 from G2A then
modern sedge
G2A is fine
heavy meadow
wait for christmas sale if you want to buy official
urban sleet
how about the ttk shenanigans?
stoic breach
No
urban sleet
should i wait until it's fixed?
stoic breach
Its not worth it
night glade
Personally, I don't notice much of a difference
stoic breach
Its probably not going to get fixed for a long time
heavy meadow
depending on the backlash, the ttk changes might be reverted
night glade
But there's a lot of other stuff wrong with the update, not just the TTK stuff
solid hinge
How many TL will be at Christmas BF5 @heavy meadow
urban sleet
yeah
heavy meadow
idk, that's up to EA
heavy meadow
EA is the publisher (talking about the sale price)
heavy meadow
in the end, EA gets the final say for the patch
urban sleet
i really hope they revert the ttk
heavy meadow
after all, they publish the game
modern sedge
Dice are pretty sensitive to this level to backlash, so I'm not surprised if they revert most of it
urban sleet
so i can play happily when i get the game
solid hinge
now G2A is reliable or not
heavy meadow
this guy...
heavy meadow
i dont even know why he's asking here
heavy meadow
guessing the guy's turkish, cant he google?
modern sedge
go ahead
stoic breach
heavy meadow
@solid hinge use this to buy bfv: https://www.google.com.tr/
modern sedge
My issue with this update is less about ttk and more about how the stability and optimization got fucked, which says more about dice
than the ttk
solid hinge
what ?
heavy meadow
@modern sedge this is xbox right? what optimisation problems?
ionic girder
@solid hinge Here is another option. https://slickdeals.net/video-game-deals/
modern sedge
cc is not being granted on level up, I've crashed after load screen
also stuck in vehicles
heavy meadow
that's not optimisation, that's just bugs
modern sedge
and cant actually spawn
heavy meadow
optimisation is mainly performance based
stoic breach
Its great how DICE added bugs back into the game
modern sedge
my frames have microstutters though
stoic breach
That were fixed
heavy meadow
that was curious
how did they fix the bugs originally if the patches bring back in the bugs
that doesn't make sense to me
ionic girder
Hm. So we're going backwards.
heavy meadow
ID_SPARTA was a font issue was it not?
ionic girder
Fun.
modern sedge
I think it's a part of a lack of continuity from dev build to actual game
heavy meadow
or it was a dirty fix
modern sedge
Cause if you're looking at the game from gameplay testing, I wouldnt be surprised if a few things weren't looked at that werent directly relevant
heavy meadow
AKA, a bandaid rather than an actual fix
stoic breach
The whole CC thing was a pretty big wasted opportunity
heavy meadow
just like how the backend is now hardcoded to unlock all the weapons for the class at 20 regardless
solid hinge
buy bf5 PlaySultan ?
heavy meadow
pacific update was so good until this damn patch
stoic breach
Like, they could've made all the guns available to buy with CC, and then made all the specs free
heavy meadow
everything was working fine but then they decided to do this
stoic breach
No stupid unlock grind
ionic girder
Why the heck would they take the chance on an already potentially very negative update? That's two levels of horrible oversight.
stoic breach
Cause unlock grind sucks
modern sedge
Iirc, at launch, it was like that
ionic girder
Exactly.
modern sedge
you just unlocked specs based on how you play
heavy meadow
@stoic breach i dont mind unlocking guns because otherwise people would jump straight to the OP guns
ionic girder
Why take the chances again if the engine proved unreliable... for a year?
heavy meadow
like the stg and shit
heavy meadow
not just that, the beginner guns are pretty good
stoic breach
It was just popular because it was easy to use
heavy meadow
@stoic breach meta might be a better word then
stoic breach
Yeah thats the bigger issue
ionic girder
._.
stoic breach
But now there are actually super clear weapons you should be using
Like Type 100 for medic is easy to use
modern sedge
the meta was less structured before ttk
Like sure, this gun was easier to use, but you can still kill people with it
stoic breach
And Jungle Carbine is the best weapon you can use as a medic
Well there was a fairly clear meta
Easy guns you can magdump with
heavy meadow
oh yeah, rip 3 shot kills at range for heavy load garand
stoic breach
StG44 didnt require alot of effort to control
modern sedge
I'm not hesitating to charge people with a nambu or ruby now since pistols are pretty strong
heavy meadow
now it's 4 shots minumum unless headshot
stoic breach
And the fairly large mag let you go ham without having to reload as much
Yeah, pistols have better DPS at range than some automatics
modern sedge
nambu is actually kinda fun to use
stoic breach
The M1912 pistol has a better ranged DPS than the FG42 and M1907
heavy meadow
the model 27 could probably do some damage if you can aim it
modern sedge
cause even if it was ass and it still kinda is, you can outgun people
heavy meadow
pistols are pretty reasonable i think
stoic breach
They're more than reasonable
heavy meadow
you almost never use them unless you are unprepared
stoic breach
They have a faster TTK than alot of primary weapons
ionic girder
Revolver memes.
stoic breach
Not just revolver
shell oak
If you think TTK is bad now, try firestorm. With plates and stuff like OMG 
modern sedge
Big iron on his hip....
stoic breach
BF1 had better weapon balance than 5.2
heavy meadow
@shell oak people still play firestorm? 
ionic girder
I know, but it's the first thing that comes to mind.
modern sedge
Wait, did the tank buffs get applied in firestorm too
stoic breach
And alot more interesting weapon balance than BFV
heavy meadow
wait, did tanks get buffed in 5.2?
red pollen
Only just jumped on to discord, what's the consensus on 5.2 here?
idle breach
yes
modern sedge
Yeah
stoic breach
Yes
modern sedge
They're beefier now
ionic girder
My only complaint was the RBD.
stoic breach
They're better at camping now
shell oak
On ps4 yeah
stoic breach
Lol
heavy meadow
ahh fuck
idle breach
consensus?
stoic breach
"RBD" only applied if you used the gun wrong
heavy meadow
now i can't even deal with a camping tank anymore
red pollen
General opinion
idle breach
5.2 sucks, but we're not just repeating 'dice bad 5.2 bad' all day
stoic breach
If you magdump with a weapon that wasnt supposed to magdump you got more spread
heavy meadow
i actually hate it when im offence in breakthrough and we get rekt by snipers and machine gunners whilst the tanks are at the back sniping kills
stoic breach
If you couldnt control your fingers and ADS while firing you got more spread
BF1 had a much more deliberate gunplay system
But it wasn't intuitive for most people
heavy meadow
and then we get rekt because their tanks call in a hachi or a ka-mi
idle breach
hachi
heavy meadow
whichever one gets called in
ionic girder
Hm, maybe I need to read into it more.
heavy meadow
i cant remember
idle breach
hachi is the most powerful being right now in the game lol
stoic breach
BFV being easier and more intuitive is nice
modern sedge
Will hardcore have reinforcement calls
ionic girder
I haven't tried BF1 since it's TTK changes I think.
stoic breach
But then you get complaints like "SMG sniping" and "Lewis gun magdump"
Yeah
TTK2.0 made BF1 alot better
stoic breach
It was shit
ionic girder
Increase blast radius to 500m.
idle breach
had even longer ttk?
prime pine
Hardcore rockets wont be anything different
ionic girder
Yes.
idle breach
shit
modern sedge
You're choosing to wipe the point if teamkilling is enabled
stoic breach
BF1 TTK 2.0 actually made weapons stronger than BFV
But because nobody knew how to control spread, TTK seemed longer
heavy meadow
@stoic breach i prefer that i can shoot back at a lewis gun hacker with an opportunity to kill rather than only damaging as a assault with an m1
idle breach
I wished bfv would have better guns
modern sedge
We still dont have the damn springfield
stoic breach
Yeah
heavy meadow
hackers on pc are a massive bane to the game
least there weren't many on AU severs
but now that im in asia, it's there almost every game
stoic breach
But yeah, BF1's gunplay system was actually really good, but it needed to be as simple and easy to read as BFV
heavy meadow
like we got 2 hackers on both sides
ionic girder
@heavy meadow Yeah, but with a good anti-hack we wouldn't need to say that.
stoic breach
But I think BFV should've used spread instead of spread to recoil
heavy meadow
and those 4 have like 110-4 a piece
stoic breach
Because BFV weapons give the impression that they're better at range than they actually are
modern sedge
I just know from general knowledge to avoid asia pc servers at all costs nowadays
heavy meadow
but it's either play at 300 ping or play japanese ones
idle breach
and there's a guy doing 70-4 in a vehicle
stoic breach
Like, BF1 SMGs vs BFV SMGs
idle breach
easily 16000+ score
stoic breach
Theres no difference between missing 4 shots and landing 4 shots at range with an SMG in BF1 vs landing 8 shots with an SMG in BFV
idle breach
and people say vehicles are overpowered
stoic breach
Its just that more shots landed in BFV so SMGs seem more accurate
And lethal at range
heavy meadow
@idle breach they're too beefy, even before the 5.2 tank buff
ionic girder
@heavy meadow I know, but I think DICE need to actually fix these problems instead of bandaiding them.
idle breach
as a part time infantry part time tanker part time plane
heavy meadow
if i can't take out a tank in the open by myself with panzerfaust + sticky dynamite
there's a problem
idle breach
if you wanna do something like 60-0 on a plane like reddit always says
you gotta be damn good
stoic breach
Actually my analogy is wrong, nvm
heavy meadow
like vehicle hit 80 with 2 dynamite + panzerfaust
stoic breach
Theres not much difference between spread stopping you from landing shots at range, vs landing 8 shots and killing someone slowly at range
heavy meadow
that's not okay
stoic breach
They're both about as equally effective
idle breach
yeah but doing 60-0 thing iss
ionic girder
Guess I'll try BF1 TTK 2.0 and see how that goes.
stoic breach
BFV just let weapons be mediocre at range instead of forcing you to completely miss targets you weren't supposed to hit
heavy meadow
like people dont play dark souls because it's easy. they play it because it's hard and punishing. that's what i liked about pre-5.2 bfv
if im out of position, i will be punished
stoic breach
So people complain about BFV weapons being too good at range when they really werent
stoic breach
Like, SMG's maximum BTK is 8, vs SARs 3-4
idle breach
you gotta beat the other pilots do good score
heavy meadow
if a guy sees my rifle glint and shoots me before i move, i applaud his accuracy and accept my death
stoic breach
SARs are obviously better at range, but because SMGs could kill at range, it seemed worse
idle breach
yeah never
heavy meadow
unless you dont have hard cover
trust me, all these snipers are prone and wondering why they're getting rekt by 2 shots to the head by a garand
it's because you can't move fast while prone
heavy meadow
people are much easier to shoot when they're still or moving slightly
stoic breach
When bolt actions just need to be buffed
modern sedge
Unless I'm in a position where no one sees me, I usually strafe
(I know that's pretty scummy)
heavy meadow
what. how is it scummy?
idle breach
they're covering their body with their heads
stoic breach
How is strafe scummy
stoic breach
Should DICE stop you from pressing A/D while aiming
That just makes the game sluggish
modern sedge
idk I just feel it kinda is wrong vs other users
stoic breach
Strafe isnt scummy
heavy meadow
it's like saying doing a flank with a mmg is a scummy move
it isnt
that's just game sense
idle breach
nerf the lightened stock spec
heavy meadow
yeah. 80% seems a bit too much
stoic breach
Lightened stock doesnt really need to be nerfed
stoic breach
If you can reduce the effectiveness of an enemy ranged weapon, thats more power to you
heavy meadow
im on pc and i see a/d spammers everywhere
modern sedge
it's pretty easy to strafe
stoic breach
A/D isnt really super bad, its pretty much in-check
heavy meadow
and im perfectly fine with it
stoic breach
A/D spam is just intuitive for the player
heavy meadow
feels like counter strike where you had no choice but to a/d spam
stoic breach
Yeah its true that strafers dont really exist on console, but I know what strafing is like
heavy meadow
otherwise you're just plain horrible at the game
modern sedge
I love running into sniper nests with a knife
stoic breach
And certain weapons being able to strafe faster is good
modern sedge
Just get to backstab while they're hardscoping
stoic breach
Like take MMGs being able to ADS, theoretically
modern sedge
And they dont hear a thing
heavy meadow
@modern sedge hard scoping snipers who are foward prone deserved to be punished really
modern sedge
that's what you mostly find on xbox
stoic breach
Eh, thats just player choice
modern sedge
tasty
stoic breach
Its better for players to feel like they have options though
heavy meadow
give em a nice club to the face
stoic breach
Compelling players to bipod just isnt great
modern sedge
I prefer crouching on a rock if I have to use bipod
stoic breach
Yeah
modern sedge
At least gives me something to use
modern sedge
It's better than no cover in most cases
heavy meadow
or it's just really janky on pc
modern sedge
and prone
stoic breach
Yeah, with weapons that require a bipod, its annoying
Like Boys AT
Requiring the bipod to use a primary weapon sucks
Same with MMGs
heavy meadow
like i try to use an mmg for support and im just hating it
stoic breach
Its terrible design, its super restrictive
heavy meadow
dont like the entire mechanic of having to use the bipod to ads
stoic breach
MMGs shouldnt need the bipod, and AT Rifles should be gadgets
Having to bipod a gadget isnt so bad
heavy meadow
@stoic breach how much damage do the AT rifles do to tanks?
stoic breach
Compared to a primary which you'll use 90% of the time
Depending on distance
You can do upwards of 90 engine damage
heavy meadow
say 50 metres
stoic breach
50m like 12
heavy meadow
aka what's the btk?
heavy meadow
cuz i think it was a hard 40 damage back in bf1
grave aspen
I’ve never seen any AT rifle do 90 damage in a shot
heavy meadow
hell no
stoic breach
Or rocket gun or what?
heavy meadow
the rocket gun
stoic breach
Oh yeah
heavy meadow
the one you had to use the bipod for iirc
stoic breach
Thats not a rifle really
Yeah
You could do some nasty crit damage to tanks if you aimed for the right spot
stoic breach
Yeah its fucking annoying
To use the best bolt action you need to ADS
Its like DICE are constantly scared of making competitive weapons
Everything needs to suck equally in BFV
grave aspen
I mean it’s not meant to go against infantry
heavy meadow
well, i think the at rifles would become sniper meta if they could one shot kill at all distances
stoic breach
They can OHK up to 100m
grave aspen
Yeah prime requirement is needed
stoic breach
So it's KPM is pretty low
grave aspen
So is every other bolt action
stoic breach
OHK weapons can be balanced by their usability
heavy meadow
like the bipod
stoic breach
OHK isnt overpowered unless its too efficient
grave aspen
AT rifles have the versatility of doing damage to vehicles too though
little raptor
are invisible flares a problem to anyone else on the pacific?
heavy meadow
if i was given OHK up to 100m, my KDA would be much higher
stoic breach
Well you can try using the Boys AT or PzB then
I think Pzb39 can OHK up to 200m actually
heavy meadow
nah, i just hate the bipod thing entirely
stoic breach
18rpm OHK is shit
grave aspen
Once again they’re tank rifles
heavy meadow
with just one or two shots, i would understand
grave aspen
Eh
stoic breach
Also if it was a gadget, it can have higher base spread so it cant reliable snipe people
But it can always hit a tank
Because tanks are larger
grave aspen
But they aren’t even crazy effective against tanks
stoic breach
They could be buffed as gadgets
heavy meadow
and make them so that the ammo can only be gotten from the base ammo stations
then, i can understand that
AT rifles would be a fine addition to my assault class
stoic breach
Besides, with APCR Boys AT, standing behind a tanks engine, you can deal upwards of 90 damage
Recon would benefit more from a precision-based AT gadget
burnt ravine
hello hutto!
stoic breach
Assault aggressive launcher AT, Recon methodical precision AT
Sounds more appropriate imo
heavy meadow
@stoic breach assuming you can even get behind a camping tank
heavy meadow
i really wish the pacific planes could do more damage to the tanks
stoic breach
Couple that with possibility of having to trade a spawn beacon for an AT Rifle
There's utility balance as well
heavy meadow
because the ones i see now are literally just bombing the flags for free infantry kills
grave aspen
The 2 500’s can one hit a tank
stoic breach
Because you wouldnt have a saltmining primary weapon that cant have its AT power buffed
And if it was a gadget, you wouldnt really be able to use it on maps without vehicles, it wouldnt be helpful
stoic breach
You'd have to trade a spawn beacon or decoy
AT Rifles could potentially deal somewhere around 20 or 30 AT damage at range as gadgets
grave aspen
That’s too op
stoic breach
Boys AT as high damage low velocity, with faster damage dropoff
grave aspen
More damage than a panzerfaust
stoic breach
Pzb39 as high velocity, medium crit damage
grave aspen
And easier to land hits with
stoic breach
Panzerfaust sucks in general
grave aspen
But still, a rifle should out perform a 3 round carrying AT rocket launcher
stoic breach
Well right now, with APCR, Boys AT from experience does minimum 12 damage to medium tanks
Which isnt actually alot
grave aspen
That’s pretty good
stoic breach
Its ok, but not amazing
grave aspen
What makes rifles amazing compared to other AT gadgets is the range
stoic breach
Multiple AT rifles would have to be used to be more effective
But people wont actually coordinate multple AT rifles
Yeah
grave aspen
With dedication and cover at long range, you’re pretty fine going against a tank
stoic breach
Which is why it would be a good precision AT tool against tanks
grave aspen
I just don’t see a need for a damage buff though
Because imagine being in a tank then 30% of your health gets deleted from across the map
stoic breach
But like, high damage would also be fine, the bullet ricochet still applies, so you could even be required to set up on the right angle
grave aspen
And you can’t hit them back
The AT rifles have a higher rof than the launchers anyways
The rifles are supposed to do less damage
stoic breach
20 would probably be a reasonable number for damage
grave aspen
They’re not supposed to delete tanks quickly, they’re supposed to wither them away slowly or act as support
stoic breach
They arent really good at either though
grave aspen
Or pick them off at low health
Watch Azura’s video on AT rifles
He does a fine job at taking out tanks solo
stoic breach
Yeah I think I've seen it
I've soloed tanks as well with Boys AT
The damage can also just be based on crit as well
grave aspen
So AT rifles have anti tank capability and infantry ohk ability to the body
With only the con of a slow rof
I think it’s Ight
stoic breach
And bipod
grave aspen
True
stoic breach
Which makes it an unruly primary weapon that people feel compelled to camp with
grave aspen
All snipers do so anyways
grave aspen
I don’t think it makes things any different tbh
stoic breach
Higher base spread so that they cant snipe infantry past 10m
Well people arent going to try and camp with a gadget that isnt good at sniping people
Thats just pointless
And because of the whole gadget resupply thing, they wouldnt be able to resupply from an ammo pouch
Limiting the speed at which it can be used
And if you can only carry maximum one or two magazines, it would be fine as a gadget
stoic breach
Yeah
Also having to trade an AT gadget with a spawn beacon is a worthwhile trade
Cant use it against infantry, so theres no fragging utility
And a spawn beacon can be used by teammates at any time, whereas AT Rifles can only be useful if theres vehicles around
But then being able to carry an AT Rifle gadget means you can always be prepared for when a vehicle approaches, and you can be competent without an assault nearby if you want to lone wolf
little raptor
oh man
stoic breach
Yes
stoic breach
Haha
little raptor
buuuuut I think I still miss the original lethality of BFV
this just doesnt feel... that good
little raptor
Tanks are real fun tho now
stoic breach
The visceral feeling of continually hitting your target and not confirming a kill
little raptor
although I don't think I like the new damage system
stoic breach
More effort for the same reward
little raptor
the added health to tanks feels great
stoic breach
Will never feel good
little raptor
I feel like much more a threat
favorite tank is still the Staghound, followed by the Crocodile 
sudden plinth
can i just point out how bs some of the shotguns are, i was in duel with someone and i had the lewis gun, he was at least 10 meters away from me yet still killed me within 1,5 seconds with a shotgun, like ?????
vital tulip
Slugs maybe
sudden plinth
automatic
little raptor
cause the drilling and the 1897 still fuck at 10 M
stoic breach
You can just be far enough away from people most of the time and they cant do shit
sudden plinth
fair, but i expect at least to win a trade from that distance
stoic breach
Yeah not with the new TTK
little raptor
slugs are like "like rolling dice? wanna roll some more 
"
stoic breach
Using a medic bolt carbine you can probably beat an LMG if you're far enough away
sudden plinth
true, LMG have been weaker lately anyways, except for flanks or something
sudden plinth
sure
stoic breach
Yes
sudden plinth
oh boy
stoic breach
Intriguing
little raptor
So DICE's point is that they don't like how fast the game moves. Their metrics show that players dont stick the way they want, and people die to fast, ya blah blah blah, ok
stoic breach
Yes
north ravine
DICE REVERT OR YOU GET IT
little raptor
One of the benefits of old TTK was that every weapon felt the same danger wise, and it was all about how well you did
That meant that BFV had its own unique META
north ravine
this new TTK is bad
stoic breach
Yes
little raptor
DICE, I think one of the best reasons you should stick with the Old TTK is because the META ends up being created by the player base, which is a lot more interesting than when a company tries forcing it
sonic rampart
Lmao
stoic breach
Yea
sudden plinth
little raptor
heres an odd example- Super Smash Bros Melee BEAR WITH ME ON THIS ONE
stoic breach
Slow down the game by making slow firing weapons better than fast firing weapons
It checks out
sudden plinth
+99 damage lol
sonic rampart
Ye....
north ravine
I’ll go back to bf1 till they revert
sonic rampart
Or 115..... and they dont die
sudden plinth
ugh right
little raptor
Super Smash Bros Melee is a chaotic mess of speed, so Nintendo tried making the meta more "clean" with Super Smash Bros 4
north ravine
anybody realised the amount of ammo you spawn with has been increased?
little raptor
However, I think time has told that Melee was way more interesting to play and watch than Wii U
stoic breach
That probably makes sense
little raptor
So DICE, there is something good about letting a playerbase craft its own Meta
sonic rampart
Yes
stoic breach
Yeah its nice
sonic rampart
Because it takes more bullets
stoic breach
Thats an interesting theory
north ravine
I just have one question
sonic rampart
To kill a person
plain temple
sup gang
north ravine
why the fuck the kar98 always reload bullet by bullet
little raptor
?
sonic rampart
Because its a bolt
north ravine
and once in a lifetime you load a whole clip
little raptor
oh
sonic rampart
Full clip is a whole clip
plain temple
mood
bronze rose
had to mention it
sonic rampart
When you run out
little raptor
Is there sometihng I don't know about the Kar98k?
sonic rampart
I think
sonic rampart
And when you reload while you have ammo
plain temple
its one bullet at a time
north ravine
Yea apparently the reload animation is ducked
sonic rampart
You just put some back in
plain temple
how is it ducked mate?
north ravine
you see when you run out of ammo
little raptor
so you're talking about how you sometimes load bullets in manually?
heavy meadow
@sonic rampart if you don't like how it works, play with the gewehr which reloads an entire clip regardless of how much ammo you have
north ravine
you start loading bullet by bullet until you reach 5
stoic breach
I just remembered a factoid about why BFV's recoil system isnt that great
north ravine
sometimes it loads a whole clip of 5 bullets
little raptor
that was added in BF1- basically your reload with rifles is actually faster if you empty the clip
sonic rampart
@heavy meadow I didnt say I didnt like it?
stoic breach
Cause its visual recoil and not spread, you can completely negate horizontal recoil by having a high FOV
little raptor
its because of old weapons
stoic breach
Playing on a widescreen monitor gives you practically no horizontal recoil
plain temple
bruh
foggy osprey
hı
heavy meadow
@sonic rampart wrong ping, sorry
plain temple
hi
little raptor
@north ravine that answer your question? sorry if I'm assuming wrong 😅
north ravine
yea but its random
heavy meadow
@north ravine okay the gewehr m95 if you want a full clip reload regardless
plain temple
freeze you saying like all 5 bullets at once?
stoic breach
BFV needs spread back and not spread-to-recoil
little raptor
OH ok sorry then
north ravine
yes @plain temple
heavy meadow
@north ravine it's not random. if you expend all 5 bullets, you will reload the full 5 bullets in a single clip
north ravine
no
plain temple
isnt the scope above the reload thing or am i blind?
heavy meadow
other than that you'll, reload one by one
sonic rampart
Imagine using bolts tbh
plain temple
is it like ironsight only?
north ravine
OH
foggy osprey
who will come bf 5
north ravine
I GET IT
plain temple
that makes sense
urban sleet
spam comments to fix ttk
plain temple
no
north ravine
no
little raptor
just like, leave one comment and have that be it
heavy meadow
fml
little raptor
let dice figure it out
heavy meadow
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plain temple
🦮
sonic rampart
I dont think this update is that bad
plain temple
same
sonic rampart
Just need a lot of tweaking
plain temple
imo its ok
sonic rampart
Ye my Tommy and suomi feel like nerf guns now
heavy meadow
@plain temple hopefully they fix it after the christmas noobs go away
sonic rampart
So I use others
stoic breach
Thompson and Suomi are equally as bad right now
plain temple
no fuckin way thats true
sonic rampart
^
stoic breach
Theres practically no difference right now
acoustic thunder
DICE pls delete the new spotting system!!!!!!!
heavy meadow
i liked it when my heavy load m1 garand could 3 shot at any range
stoic breach
They both have 5-13BTK
north ravine
use type 100 for maximum toxicity
sonic rampart
I use the mp28
north ravine
its a laser beam
sonic rampart
Cause I want to get it to gold tbh
stoic breach
MP28 also became gigashit
plain temple
i can have the absolute advantage on a thompson and get my world ROCKED because the tommy whips around and shits on me
heavy meadow
has no recoil
north ravine
no recoil
stoic breach
True
sonic rampart
@stoic breach I still have to get the gun to gold 
north ravine
cappucino
plain temple
trombone
stoic breach
Bolt carbines are some of the best weapons in the game right now
plain temple
this ^
north ravine
jungle carbine is good
stoic breach
With Jungle Carbine being the best current weapon
plain temple
even the commando looking good
sonic rampart
Never used the carbine
plain temple
main selling point of the jungle is that its a really fast gun
sonic rampart
I dont like the fact that the medics get a sniper
heavy meadow
i never got to use the jungle carbine as of yet because the type 100
plain temple
but id rather have a grenade launcher with me
heavy meadow
just seems better
sonic rampart
I dont want bf1 medic snipers back
stoic breach
Yeah medics shouldnt have bolt carbines really
sonic rampart
Thats like
stoic breach
Recon should have them probably
north ravine
Mondragon is best bf1 medic weapon
stoic breach
Yea
heavy meadow
nerfing to 2 shot headshot would be preferential for medic bolt carbines
stoic breach
Ez fix for weapon balance
heavy meadow
at longer ranges
stoic breach
Recon gets bolt carbines as "skill snipers" for headshot players
heavy meadow
maybe from 40+
plain temple
upclose its a one hit
stoic breach
Bolt actions get sweetspots again
sonic rampart
I used that fast firing pistol in bf1
stoic breach
If you dont want to use sweetspot, just use bolt carbine
north ravine
frommer
sonic rampart
I think its called the frommer stop
north ravine
frommer very good imo
sonic rampart
Ye
plain temple
plain temple
the feeling when you never played bf1
sonic rampart
Is BfV your first bf title?
north ravine
and the peacekeeper
sonic rampart
Peacekeeper Nice
stoic breach
Why should assault get weapons that are easier at range than recon
sonic rampart
And there was another revolver I liked
stoic breach
Just make recon bolts easy too
heavy meadow
i only got to play bf1 using a friends computer because it was a rather busy time during my short life
stoic breach
Very cool
heavy meadow
i think aim is a thing you get pretty quick once you get punished a lot
plain temple
@sonic rampart yes
heavy meadow
just like how dark souls puts you through a tutorial boss that's harder than half the game to get you ready
plain temple
i do have bf1 but
sonic rampart
Oh
plain temple
never touched it
sonic rampart
Why lmao
forest crow
i'd play
sonic rampart
I played bf1 alone lmao
north ravine
its very active @stoic breach
sonic rampart
stoic breach
Not in australia
stoic breach
Theres one server in australia
north ravine
sad
forest crow
you right
heavy meadow
@stoic breach has scomo fixed the nbn yet?
north ravine
conquest and operations are pretty lit in europe
stoic breach
Scomo has gone scomode and kill 3 people instead of fixing the internet
heavy meadow
oh yeah thats right. saw australia practically being on fire
stoic breach
Ye
ivory geyser
bronze ferry
A pétition for EA remove the 5.2 TTk and spoting
regal river
how about a petition for you to git gud
bronze ferry
I try to make the max for BFV i love and ni this 5.2BF
half wolf
Has anyone else not been able to see server names or platoon tags?
lilac umbra
why is m1 so bad now
vale sparrow
Guys do i need to buy the year 2 edition in order to play the Pacific?
vital tulip
No
autumn bane
they butchered m1a1 😩
lilac umbra
ALSO WHY IT STILL SAYS COULD NOT FETCH YOUR REPORT i played like 16games and still says that same shit
autumn bane
but nobody used it so nobody talks bout it
vale sparrow
So what's the difference between year 1 and 2
autumn bane
restart game or try changing ip with a vpn @lilac umbra
vital tulip
They butchered the fg 42
little raptor
i have a major feeling that all DICE is going to do is slightly buff the FG42 and the Tommy gun back up
lilac umbra
i had same issue yesterday and even if i restart my ps4 nothing happens
vital tulip
Year 2 you get all tow weapons and accessories from before the pacific
autumn bane
i didnt see that many ppl use fg42 before though anyways. ppl always resort to the easy to use guns and fg was not easy with 20 bullets
lilac umbra
come on whay is this shit
autumn bane
why wud they buff the tommy gun if they do that then they need to buff the suomi and zk too
little raptor
since those are the most egregious nerfs
little raptor
I'd disagree. Now that I'm using it more extensively, its just so weak to use for anything except explicitly flanking an indoor position
little raptor
i use the 50 bullet clip
vital tulip
Same
lilac umbra
so what i can do to fix this
lilac umbra
yeah real funny
stoic breach
@heavy meadow not rural
stoic breach
Im metro
little raptor
Dice, I dont like the new armory- bring back the old one
little raptor
you havent? wait you hvaent played yet?
stoic breach
I have played the new update
little raptor
oooh i just opened the game and its got the new 1942 theme 
stoic breach
I just didnt care enough about the armoury to open it
little raptor
truth be told
this new theme is cool, but only for the first part with the drums
the opening drums remind me of the halo theme
stoic breach
Haha nice
little raptor
ok but like
Razor
this new armory
what is this negative space bullshit
where are my big 16 buttons!
stoic breach
Interesting
little raptor
what is this nonsense, now you just click what nation you want like a PEASANT!
also help me out with this one- I bought Kiesuke, right?
big japanese general guy
I wanna use nothing but the sword, right?
well, the swords fuggin impossible to use unless you're a medic, so I can only equip him on the medic class
but like
I usually have my medics as women, right?
this presents a big ole problem, cause who else do I put my female character on!
cosmic stream
any other fucking role ?
little raptor
ok but like, Assault just doesnt feel right, and neither does Engineer
but putting them on the Sniper class feels so basic, right?
THIS IS SERIOUS
solid hinge
wasn't BFV supposed to have dogs?
little raptor
so i just decided to put them on Assault
cosmic stream
bro thats just dumb
little raptor
the set backs of war ¯_(ツ)_/¯
cosmic stream
what will gender has to do with classses
little raptor
ah dunno
solid hinge
still a just game😂
little raptor
so equip one with the Tommy and say she picked it off a dead patient 
wait not the garand-
the Tommy
cosmic stream
okay im done
prime pine
little raptor
i see. didnt the repair tool used to jam tanks in previous BF's?
velvet lotus
so what class would be recommended for someone new to BFV
north ravine
religion sun @little raptor
little raptor
ITs a great way to get points without having to kill people
thats not something you get by plugging it into google translate lol
unless you did
north ravine
yes
ember plinth
Hello
north ravine
I know a bit of arabic 😉
little raptor
tightness, its a hard language init
north ravine
yep it is
ember plinth
If only i could send pic
Server browser lists servers but instead showing the name, it shows up as number. Anyone know how to fix it?
little raptor
but @velvet lotus more than just being free points, you also help out your teammates a lot by smoke enemy poistions
protip from me- if you hold the revive button while running to someone whos down, you'll automatically start reviving the moment you're in distance
velvet lotus
aa okay well the problem i have with medic is the moment i revive someone i get shot by some random dude Appearing out of nowhere
little raptor
aha lol
youll very quickly get used to where people are
BFV can be a bit hectic at times, but heres a cool tip from me
equip smoke grenades on medic and smoke whoevers down
that way you can revive them without being shot
velvet lotus
Neat
little raptor
👍
velvet lotus
gonna try that
little raptor
be sure to take a split second to check if the bodies got someone near them
hehe, im watching Battlefield Friends videos
hehe, the noob is stupid and its funny
pastel grove
I can't get myself to learn Arabic ngl
It's hard as shit
I love language learning but Arabic is hard shit
tacit kelp
stupid patch, games are more unbalanced than previously, noob tankers became masters..
mystic ridge
untold wraith
I like the update.
Honestly it makes the game harder which I like.
Gives it a good learning curve and I like changing my strategies to better gameplay
The TTK change doesn’t affect me and even if it did I would use different guns
pastel grove
That's good
untold wraith
SMGs feel deadly up close.
tacit kelp
@untold wraith i dont have to change stategy, everything is ok, but is see what is happend on battlefield
untold wraith
Ok.
One thing I dislike about the update is the “ID not found” after playing a round so you don’t actually get any progress
velvet lotus
also is it normal for guns to be even less deadly then a potato cannon ?
Cause it feels like it
tacit kelp
@untold wraith even reports on battetracker are broken
pastel grove
Yeah that's the biggest bullshit of the update
Ngl people should focus more on that fucking horseshit than ttk
untold wraith
I want to progress in my TOW but can’t because of the ID not found.
That’s the only criticism I have and I hope the bug can be fixed
pastel grove
Still don't have that new revolver
What I do like about the update is that Garand has bayonet
Also BF1 killsound
untold wraith
I’m trying to get the Japanese side arm but I can’t get the XP
pastel grove
Some of the ttk changes don't affect me all that much but I understand why people are mad.
shy badger
The new killsound is very nice
pastel grove
A surprise to be sure, but a welcome one
shy badger
Sadly it's one of the only good things the patch addes
pastel grove
Yeah
untold wraith
I mainly use the Semi auto rifles so the TTK is fine on those weapons mid to long range.
It’s understandable that I would be killed by an SMG at short range.
foggy crest
Hey, is this game actually good now?
autumn bane
in some ways
foggy crest
I came here to ask the pro gamers themselves
shy badger
Ha
autumn bane
i want to play it badly, prob cuz i dont have a pc at the moment
untold wraith
I’m a bootlicker so I would argue the games always been good