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#battlefield-legacy-titles
main grove
raw orbit
god tier infantry gameplay
and it has mechs
hazy wasp
Titanfall 2 is the demon love child of call of duty and Quake that was then enhanced with cuyborg parts dropped from space
modern sedge
I wonder what happens if Respawn tries their hand at BF
hazy wasp
thats my elevator pitch
tight rain
If you like zooming around the map clapping people, then you will love it
gray saffron
that sounds pretty neat
sacred junco
probably has the most intuitive FPS movement in modern games
id say modern BF series is right behind it
raw orbit
my dudes at respawn was like lets turn noobtubes into normal weapons and let you bunnyhop and slingshot across the whole map and its amazing
tight rain
I definitely gotta load up the game later
sacred junco
BFV's only sin is having a lot of hard terrtain to map movements too
hazy wasp
Battlefield has better physicality to its movement over titanfall but titanfall for range of motion yeah
raw orbit
oh god bhopping on a controller i just realised 
hazy wasp
Also self nuking your own titan
sacred junco
titanfall you play quake soldiers but BFV WW2 soldiers are playing Mirror's Edge
gray saffron
(hears mirror's edge theme in his head)
raw orbit
eject from titan
you get a little message from the titan and he asks you to aveenge him
so sad
tight rain
Mirror’s edge had a odd spot for the jump button
gray saffron
wasn't it lb or something?
tight rain
Protocol 3: protect the pilot
solid hinge
I love the mech combat in titanfall
orchid stump
I wanted to come back to battlefield but I heard 5.2 is a horrible mess?
solid hinge
It's unbalanced but it's certainly fun
gray saffron
i'd say give it a try first
raw orbit
real gs play as a pilot and support their mech 
gray saffron
i personally like the new ttk
modern sedge
try 5.2 for yourself first
hazy wasp
5.2 isnt a mess, people are overreacting, try it out
modern sedge
if you dont like it, play something else honestly
agile sigil
It appears to be hit or misss depending on who you ask
orchid stump
I am used to low ttk
rare ermine
If you a good player and can aim well, 5.2 is great.
tight rain
Is my sweet sweet mg42 trash now
sacred junco
id say that cq is harder
gray saffron
it's still quite low at cqc. just not that much at range
raw orbit
you dont even need to aim well in 5.2 lmao its just point and click
sacred junco
but mid range fights the expected ttk isn't that different
because the handling buffs
modern sedge
just remember bolts are more relevant now
hazy wasp
Longer range get your friendly neighbourhood recon to clear a path
sacred junco
i can ads now with them
orchid stump
Stg 44 is my favorite gun, still good?
tight rain
Or if your me, miss every shot
sacred junco
probably at its best state since the beta
raw orbit
stg44 is easilyt the best assault weapon
gray saffron
stg44 became one of the better AR atm
modern sedge
honestly, it's good
I think the recoil is near 0 now so it's easy to control
orchid stump
I'm kinda a potato player so I don't know how the changes affect me
hazy wasp
STG44 is AK levels of decent in game
modern sedge
I'm honestly still waiting for the springfield
tight rain
I neeed the mosin
orchid stump
Makes sense. I'm kinda mad at the new cod so I thought of coming back to battlefield. Saw the subreddit rage and I hesitated
tight rain
I will do dirty things for s mosin
gray saffron
yeah, subreddit is always a cespitt when it comes to change
solid hinge
I'm waiting for dice to announce that they're rolling back the changes
tight rain
The subreddit is always reeeeing
gray saffron
you can't even reply something positive there underneath the wake island trailer unless you want to be called a shill 😦
tight rain
Some thing i cant blame them for
hazy wasp
Mods really should keep it more civil and moderate the shit out of it now
its gone too far honestly
orchid stump
I can kinda go either way for ttk, since I play games like halo, too
modern sedge
I think the mods are scared to enter that cesspit
hazy wasp
its not discussion when its an open circle jerk
solid hinge
I just struggle to look forward to new content when I'm just not enjoying how the game plays anymore
orchid stump
But I'm so used to low ttk that the changes seem weird. Why did they increase ttk?
raw orbit
ttk idk about but the reduced recoil makes the gunplay absolutely braindead and the weapon variety i can see becoming even less than before
hazy wasp
eh
sacred junco
on the other hand
marble phoenix
STG44 back to Alpha/Beta levels of cheese or?
modern sedge
@orchid stump overall, ttk was reduced to prevent guns being used at longer ranges than intended
severe wraith
TTK so Swag so cool so Dope
sacred junco
there were good optionst for low recoil/easy recoil weapons already
hazy wasp
weapon variety before was limited to the STUG 1-5, Suomi/Tommy/Lewisgun/P08
gray saffron
ttk is only really increased at range. ttk at cqc is mostly the same imo
sacred junco
most cq smgs i just hipfire
orchid stump
So the Tommy gun is no longer viable? That was one of my favorite
solid hinge
It felt like you actually made a choice when you picked your kit before. Because you didn't get SMG's on support or assault. And you didn't get assault rifles on medic or support etc.
hazy wasp
nope tommy guns are still rips
solid hinge
Now you get and SMG, and you get an SMG, everyone gets an SMG!
gray saffron
tommygun is still great. better even. it has hardly any recoil now so it's easier to land far away hits
hazy wasp
close range or select fire tapping at medium range
agile sigil
I remember when medics had LMGs, fun times
gray saffron
and close range it still rips yeah
devout current
Who Hate's this new update ?
sacred junco
most ppl
solid hinge
I do
hazy wasp
Nobody thats played it for an extended period of time
marble phoenix
Ima play some over the weekend
haughty pawn
only here and reddit lmao,most like it
sacred junco
i dunno how to feel about it
solid hinge
I've played it for an extended period of time, and I hate it even more now
orchid stump
I uninstalled the game earlier because my last rig couldn't play anything above 32 players. My new rig can now handle bf5 at 144 fps I think. Hence why I wanted to re install it
marble phoenix
Haven’t gotten a chance to see play patch
sacred junco
welcome to the club
modern sedge
I feel like this was a step in the right direction
hazy wasp
When you get used to the enw range engagements, and then realise, oh ive not been one framed ina while or ohh ive not died while already behidn a corner ina while
modern sedge
But too far
sacred junco
144hz gang
hazy wasp
youll start to enjoy it if you are still on the fence
marble phoenix
Was the flare update added too?
solid hinge
tfw I want to get my s2 200 gold but the assignment is "kill 20 enemies beyond 50 metres in one round"
haha
haughty pawn
played half a day,and except a few minor things i really like it
solid hinge
🥴
orchid stump
My previous computer would do 64p matches at 30 fps lol
agile sigil
I enjoy it.
hazy wasp
ive stopped doing weapon assigments
modern sedge
Some assignments need to be adjusted to new ttk
gray saffron
yeah, i've had a lot less frustrating deaths. i don't feel like taking a break after a few rounds anymore ;D. (though tanks can still make me salty though. ;D)
hazy wasp
theya re bullshit and need to be redone
sacred junco
me too
raw orbit
on the other hand the headshot assignments are gonna be piss easy now 
sacred junco
i dont even want to do 20 prone kills with SLRs
hazy wasp
bring back ribbons and make assignments more about class play
sacred junco
like really
solid hinge
I honestly don't know why some people like that most weapons were nerfed, and that everything got less recoil, and that the game gives you nice red dots to fire at when you're close, because it's oh so hard to see people!
gray saffron
yeah, assignments need to be reworked for the new ttk
agile sigil
Whatever weapon assignments i can't do in combined arms or doesn't have a reasonable requirement, i avoid
hazy wasp
Also tbh
regal junco
I really enjoy getting kills i shouldnt have normally gotten before because I scan the smokes and the autohighlighting lets me shoot random red nameplates 
👍
hazy wasp
the gold skins look meh on most guns
scenic beacon
assignments really need to be reworked
hazy wasp
Chrome where its at
agile sigil
Mint and chrome is best
raw orbit
blued >>>> all
marble phoenix
There should be more XP Assignment
scenic beacon
predator
hazy wasp
chrome and night owl or blue'd combo
haughty pawn
mint 4 life
hazy wasp
mint is decent
gray saffron
the golden thompson is the most hideous thing i've ever seen xd
raw orbit
gold skins looking like bakealite
hazy wasp
oh btw the titanfall like aim and see persons name thingy or dot is great
solid hinge
Hot take: visibility was a problem blown entirely out of proportion by people
sacred junco
yeah
hazy wasp
sorry hardcore bois but it drastically improves gameplay
marble phoenix
Gold skins been played out
solid hinge
If you're not sure if there's a player there, try shooting it
haughty pawn
gold looks like hello kitty online 
sacred junco
besides rubble camping in Devestation
marble phoenix
@hazy wasp hardcore mode a thing?!
modern sedge
I think Pacific Storm raised that concern
sacred junco
and Fjell
hazy wasp
nah not yet 😛
solid hinge
Casualfield V
hazy wasp
wait until paid servers come in
modern sedge
The bushes are speaking japanese, what do I do
marble phoenix
I need that @hazy wasp
hazy wasp
I assume damage will be on the paid tier
marble phoenix
No maps
haughty pawn
get gud
dense bone
maybe youre fucking shit
hazy wasp
laughs in recon
gray saffron
beggars can't be choosers ;D
modern sedge
bolt main gang rise up
solid hinge
It's way too easy to just tear into people with the carbines, now
haughty pawn
trench carbine on auto is godmode now 
modern sedge
I got a big iron on my hip
solid hinge
I barely take enough damage to counteract my ability to self heal
modern sedge
what's the rof stat
shrewd stump
@dense bone fuckface pistols do more damage in range than rifles, this aint me being "fucking shit"
modern sedge
Woah
haughty pawn
400 smthing
dense bone
use the good guns...
hazy wasp
or like dont take it so srsly its onloy a game why you so mad
raw orbit
"youre fucking shit"
no problem
"this aint me being fucking shit"
no need to do that this aint reddit
ok brothers
solid hinge
The fact that there are clear good guns and bad guns now is a clear indicator that something is real wrong
orchid stump
Oh boy
shrewd stump
I'm dissapointed in dice, the game was perfectly fine, everybody told them not to do the TTK change, yet they do it anyways
it was perfect, it was
orchid stump
So stay away from this game until wake island releases, got it
solid hinge
Agreed
haughty pawn
wtf,you want all guns to be the same ?
dense bone
game was not perfect, you were just content
hazy wasp
it wasn't but okay
autumn bane
it was not perfect before either. the zk383 made all other smgs obsolete
the zh29 was the fastest killing weapon past 30 meters, bar nothing
shrewd stump
In my opinion it was perfect, in yours it may not have been but that doesnt change my opinion
dense bone
you have to adapt and get used to new things, dice has to balance things
solid hinge
I think I'm gonna stay away until they either make changes, or the bring in more features for community games
hazy wasp
I got so annoyed by dying while in cover i legit was going to make a 10min video montage of it happening util i thought better of it
orchid stump
I might download it again... just to see how well my new computer runs on it
shrewd stump
and maybe 99% of other peoples opinions
dense bone
perfect is not a measure of opinion
modern sedge
Also, we cant record those opinions
raw orbit
i used to go between lots of weapons and all the classes but now i really might as well use only the madsen lmao
haughty pawn
more like 1% opinion
solid hinge
Someones opinion can be that it was perfect
hazy wasp
opinion is not science lad
haughty pawn
most ppl playing aren't here or on reddit
haughty summit
Thoughts on Wake Island??
solid hinge
Most people I've talked to in game have disliked the changes
shrewd stump
thank yoiu
hazy wasp
not yet released but looking lit
dense bone
preference does not dictate perfect
shrewd stump
the majority dislikes it.
haughty pawn
says who ?
hazy wasp
its next week 😛
dense bone
congrats, majority of people are probably bad at the game
haughty pawn
3 ppl ig ?
solid hinge
Something can be perfect to someones preference, stop arguing semantics
haughty summit
My first Battlefield game was the 1943
raw orbit
please point me to where this majority resides so i can ask them how they feel about the update
haughty summit
And now they add wake
hazy wasp
43 was dumb fun
solid hinge
I haven't seen this supposed majority, either
modern sedge
no
dense bone
also, dont think a majority of reddit meme kids means a majority of the community
shrewd stump
majority of the people are probably bad at the game, are you joking? Every single youtuber, every single good player is complaining,
modern sedge
muh immersion
hazy wasp
when you could aim your rpg at the ground in the back of your Hummvee and flip the thing
shrewd stump
there is noone good that enjoys the new TTK
hazy wasp
or launch an ATV with mines and C4 into an enemy base
gray saffron
lol, chased a mosquito (In a fighter plane). dude bailed out, went around and then shot him when he was running on the field. no escape when you bail >:D
dense bone
you can add up all the reddit/youtube hate responses and it would be something like 10k tops, game sold over 8m copies...
shrewd stump
you just sit and strafe at 1 person while firing an entire mag
sonic rampart
Whats wrong with battlefield?
haughty summit
@hazy wasp in the trailer they show one of the tactics with the jeep we used in 1943
modern sedge
I still think you can do the propulsion glitch with a friendly boat
hazy wasp
yup
sonic rampart
it says Sparta
solid hinge
I'm not arguing about realism or immersion. I'm arguing about dumbing down gameplay and over-simplifying it.
sonic rampart
For some reason
dense bone
10k is not a majority of 8m people
hazy wasp
if im playing with the lads tonight we might try to see what we can launch with mines
shrewd stump
when you do statistics you dont exactly count every single persons opinion @dense bone
hazy wasp
launch a jeep to A on Iwo Jima
haughty summit
Lmao
modern sedge
Dice will definitely roll some parts back
solid hinge
I'm honestly okay with some of the changes, but there's just too much
dense bone
you claimed a majority of people, that means over 50% of people, and the game sold roughly 8m copies and i have certainly not seen over 4m people complaing about ttk
haughty summit
@hazy wasp imagine they add the bomber bunker
raw orbit
please find me the rest of these 8 million people and where they are voicing their resounding support for 5.2 lmao yall also claiming they love it so 
hazy wasp
hah
solid hinge
Good LORD this trench carbine
shrewd stump
thats not how it works, you dont need 4m people complaingint to claim its the majority. You need the majority of those who have their voices heard to complain. That can give you a relatively accurate image of what the community thinks @dense bone
haughty summit
@solid hinge it's crazy right?
shrewd stump
if 80% of 10.000 people asked complain, you can safely say the majority of the community dislike the update @dense bone
hazy wasp
everyones taking the game seriously and then last friday i was surfing our Sherman holding a flamethrower and firing in the air like I was in mad Max
iron oxide
I´m not getting assignments/skins for leveling up weapon....guessing it´s a problem for all....
shrewd stump
thats how statistics work, dont make me sit down and teach you jesus
solid hinge
@raw orbit I for one have not seen overwhelming support in the in-game chat
dense bone
@shrewd stump the problem is it isnt a poll, and you are ignoring majority definition
modern sedge
trench glock 18
solid hinge
Ardaam, people aren't mad because it's less realistic or less serious
rare ermine
80% of 10000 isn’t even close to a majority of bf5 players
solid hinge
when i first saw the glide bomb falling on wakes i thought it was a v22 osprey
dense bone
people are more likely to complain that anything else, and you are using reddit/youtube (complainers paradise) as some sort of unbiased pool of data to draw conclusions
shrewd stump
@dense bone then please go into the community forums on for example reddit, check twitter, check battlefield forums. See if you can find more posts supporting TTK than being against it. See the upvotes those posts have. Its obvious
solid hinge
this is so stupid
dense bone
like i said above, its more likely people complain than anything else
solid hinge
ive been running in front of like 5 guys and only taking 70 damage
vital tulip
So in general ttk good or bad?
shrewd stump
its bad
dense bone
id be willing to bet most of the people not on reddit complaining dont even care
modern sedge
@vital tulip bad but right direction imo
shrewd stump
thats because they are casual players @dense bone
sacred junco
most ppl just stop playing games if they don't find it fun
dense bone
bfv is a casual game
sacred junco
that's it
shrewd stump
its not a casual game, dice advertised it as more tactical than BF1
vital tulip
Fair enough
dense bone
MORE tactical doesnt mean its not casual still
shrewd stump
this is worse than BF1
sacred junco
its the minority that makes long posts saying stuff like "SIR I am UTTERY disappointed. You have lost a loyal customer"
rare ermine
There is no reason at all to make the game for the limited number of hardcore players.
dense bone
2 is more than 1, doesnt mean its 100
shrewd stump
feels like you are firing fucking potatoes
solid hinge
Not competitive doesn't mean casual, though
shrewd stump
it doesnt feel like a gun
dense bone
potatoes hurt
buoyant fossil
bbs actually
solid hinge
Foam
dense bone
its a 64 mp sandbox game, its casual
buoyant fossil
even better
silent olive
The fandom unanimously told them for about 2 weeks that this was a bad idea.
shrewd stump
you can have a 64 mp sandbox game being competitive as well, nothing says you cant.
hazy wasp
anyone else notice in the wake trailer the C4 jeep lol
solid hinge
It's got a more complex gameplay loop than most FPS games, hardcore
vital tulip
We can all agree that in general bfv is pretty decent
dense bone
sure, but bfv isnt
sacred junco
BF has never been competitive
lilac umbra
no its bad need more maps
tough tendon
oof i had to email ea because i cant unlock anything from any class
raw orbit
if the majority of casual players dont even care what happens to the game why cater to them anyway 
shrewd stump
there you go
dense bone
because they are a majority of the sales...
solid hinge
BFV also had the normal mode closest to previous hardcore modes in the series
lilac umbra
i got this game for 20$
dense bone
also higher ttk is less casual friendly, its not first see first kill
vital tulip
I want BFV to succeed it’s a great game with good potential
dense bone
BFV already sold at least 8m copies, it did fine
shrewd stump
higher TTK is way more casual friendly, what?
buoyant fossil
not anymore
dense bone
low ttk allows for first see first kill gameplay
raw orbit
its the massively reduced recoil that makes it noob friendly not necessesarily the ttk
solid hinge
I genuinely am laughing out loud at this
dense bone
arcade is casual...
vital tulip
Can’t wait for the BAR
shrewd stump
its really goddamn trash aint it @solid hinge
solid hinge
This is ridiculous
shrewd stump
im fucking dissapointed and the fact that people support it,
solid hinge
I shouldn't be alive in 90% of these situations
dense bone
lets make sure we are on same page, high ttk means it takes longer to kill
vital tulip
Yes agreed
sacred junco
with her health and low dps gun?
solid hinge
I'm running around in the open like someone entirely braindead and no one can kill me
tough tendon
not if you have an antimaterial rifle 😉
solid hinge
Low TTK also makes you rely more on your environment and spatial awareness, consider your actions before acting them out, and generally put more though into the game
raw orbit
lol being in the open means nothing because 90% of the time you can always get to cover before you die
scenic beacon
@solid hinge use your pistol, probably highest dps at range now
severe wagon
again with the summary fetch error everytime
shrewd stump
@dense bone listen to @solid hinge x
buoyant fossil
ID SPARTAN
shrewd stump
he knows what hes talking about
dense bone
he is right in that situation
autumn bane
300rpm 3 shot out to 50 meters aint bad. at least now theres a reason to use Garand over other semi autos like turner or mas44
shrewd stump
you said higher TTK is less casual.
dense bone
you just said low ttk is more arcadey, which is casual
solid hinge
Now you just pick medic and a carbine and just run in the middle of things and pew pew the bad boys with red dots and just heal up when they shoot at you
dense bone
or do you not understand that?
shrewd stump
low TTK is realistic, high TTK is arcadey
dense bone
games arent realistic
shrewd stump
you can make them fucking realistic
ember plinth
games aren't realistic but people still ask for it
shrewd stump
it was more realistic than it is now, do you not realize that
buoyant fossil
What is Red orchestra 2
dense bone
i do realize it was more realistic, doesnt mean anything
vital tulip
High ttk is for more fast paced games whereas Lowe ttk is for more strategic games
raw orbit
be medic
use jungle carbine
limit your engagements to outside 20 meters
always have enough time to get to cover if shot to heal
literally invincible
rare ermine
You can’t make games realistic. Because you don’t really die. That is a powerful motivator in real life.
shrewd stump
wow amazing deep quote there buddy made me shed a tear @rare ermine
dense bone
a game is made by the devs and its rules are determined by the devs
marble phoenix
Wake Island didn’t drop yet right?
solid hinge
Low TTK brings in higher risk which forces you to play more strategically. If there's no risk, you might as well go guns blazing.
vital tulip
No only on the 12
solid hinge
im losing it this is so funny
agile sigil
Real life. buy game, die once, game stop working permanently
marble phoenix
High TTK gives it that Hardcore vibe
sacred junco
low TTK you guys mean
marble phoenix
Yea low TTK I meant
shrewd stump
Low TTK is hardcore
raw orbit
we should just say quick deaths or slow deaths since veryone always confusing it
dense bone
high ttk means its takeslonger to kill
raw orbit
lol
solid hinge
I meant low TTK, I'm tired, and this is making my head spin
ember plinth
@agile sigil minecraft hardcore mode
solid hinge
Minecraft also got worse when they increased the TTK
dense bone
theres no universal "worse because higher ttk"
solid hinge
model 8 isnt doing 50 damage to people halfway across the aerodrome hanger
buoyant fossil
Bar is better
prime pine
I love ke7
solid hinge
prime pine
I love ke7
buoyant fossil
That thing has no recoil
prime pine
I love ke7
buoyant fossil
I Love Bar
dense bone
ttk essentially comes down to preference
buoyant fossil
I love Bar
marble phoenix
KE7 been Cheese since BFV dropped
buoyant fossil
Bar is god
prime pine
Past 10 m
solid hinge
I used to know how many sprint jump attacks I needed to kill a creeper. Now I just do it until I'm either old and tired, or the creeper realises his mistake and backs off, and we gain a mutual respect for one another
genuinely this feels awful
shrewd stump
imagine thinking higher TTK is more competitive, CSGO should make the same thing, increase TTK to 10 seconds.
buoyant fossil
Bar is life
solid hinge
i cant stop giggling
buoyant fossil
Ke7 is a watch
shrewd stump
its fucking trash and im mad as shit
scenic beacon
@solid hinge try using a ruby, legit better than half the primaries
buoyant fossil
with a lot of switches
raw orbit
tea only here to shill pistols lol
buoyant fossil
The ruby has better damage than the MG42
dense bone
technically if you take csgo exactly as it is and increase ttk relative to all weapons it would be more competitive, at least on a skill level
solid hinge
model 8 with rpm increase is 180rpm
webley is 180rpm
pistols now have higher damage and higher recoil than primaries
shrewd stump
im facepalming so hard right now oh my god
dense bone
the longer it takes to kill the longer you have to maintain mechanics to kill someone, which also gives more emphasis on headshot multipliers
shrewd stump
imagine thinking increasing TTK on csgo would make it more competitive
buoyant fossil
How do you get pistols better than rifles
tiny mist
gg
solid hinge
I took 12 damage to the side of my croc from a piat
tiny mist
new planes pilots still cant be hit with bullets
fleet bloom
LOL
buoyant fossil
Low calibers compared to full on rifle cartridges
onyx cave
when is tank body customisations coming out?
buoyant fossil
never
shrewd stump
fix the goddamn TTK first
onyx cave
:c
hoary condor
soon ™️
dense bone
again increasing ttk does increase the emphasis on aiming mechanics, which is a major part of competition
onyx cave
they said vehicle customisations would be out when 5.2 is out
eternal wind
guys, I played last night...and I honestly had a blast. Love the changes so far
buoyant fossil
Only tanks got buffed
fleet bloom
i wonder how the light tanks are, still dogshit i bet 
eternal wind
I can only speak for myself
hoary condor
glad to hear winter 🙂
dense bone
having an empty meme response doesnt make you right @shrewd stump
solid hinge
Snipers and carbines also got an indirect buff
shrewd stump
increasing TTK means i can run past you while you're shooting at me and then heal up before you kill me @dense bone , this aint competitive
gray saffron
Nice, winter :D always good to form your own opinion based on experience :)
solid hinge
Especially carbines because medics can just heal through damage now.
dense bone
csgo doesnt have healing
hoary condor
shrewd stump
its just so pointless responding to you because you honestly believe higher TTK means more competitive, there is so much more than just aiming and you dont realize that
vital tulip
CRAB RAVE TIME BOYS
gray saffron
Hope we can throw the crabs to people on wake island
dense bone
i know there is much more, ive actually played on teams for games
solid hinge
This chat is now more competitive than the game
eternal wind
I got killed plenty still but it felt that I had a chance to respond to people who were shooting me, and I liked that
marble phoenix
@solid hinge lmaooo
vital tulip
Lol
buoyant fossil
Because Dice fucked up BFV
shrewd stump
higher TTK removes the need of good map knowledge, reaction times, taking cover, bothering to look anywhere. You can just run across a field full of enemies and not die
scenic beacon
i swear to fuck at this point i'll just like main the 1911 now, shits fucking great now
shrewd stump
this aint competitive
raw orbit
❓
vital tulip
It has a whale so👌
scenic beacon
i have no need for my mmgs anymore that i took a solid year to master, i am a full supporter of the close-mid range pistol meta
rare ermine
Maybe against the players your ELO matches you against. You can run across an open field.
fleet bloom
first shoot first kil good 
vital tulip
Just like irl
solid hinge
Pacifistfield V
dense bone
xD higher ttk doesnt REMOVE the need, it just reduces the need
shrewd stump
the TTK changes are made for noob players, so they dont get pissed off and rage. Its not made to make the game more competitive
vital tulip
You guy are still on about bfv being competitive
shrewd stump
it could very much be competitive if it wanted to, the 5v5 was a good idea
dense bone
youre not reading the convo daniel
visual blade
why does the game fee like bf1 now
shrewd stump
because you're shooting fucking potatoes @visual blade
solid hinge
Tigers are tanking fucking everything
visual blade
elite nerf darts you mean
raw orbit
low ttk
rewards map knowledge, positioning and awareness
high ttk
rewards good aim
except the recoil is so inexistent now that having good aim is trivial
gray saffron
@ember plinth lol, imagine they bouncing around after a hit and getting multi kills :3
dense bone
cappy has it
solid hinge
selb 1916 has almost 0 recoil
shrewd stump
BF1 was basically everything with less range than sniper = CQC
dense bone
its not a remove situation, its emphasis
solid hinge
you can chunk everything
shrewd stump
BFV is turning into that shitshow now too
solid hinge
tigers are literally indestructible from the front
visual blade
bf1 was not a shitshow
dense bone
imagine talking game balance when the other party thinks high ttk REMOVES aspects of gameplay
shrewd stump
it has done, i dont know what you're talking about
silent olive
Angry Gamer: Sees TTK
Angry Gamer: Uninstalls
DICE: Wake Island
Angry Gamer: ......
Angry Gamer: Reinstalls
solid hinge
melee is STILL JANKY
shrewd stump
y'all are just the noobs dice tried to make the game appeal too which it has now done, good job
scenic beacon
@sonic rampart or they can't put enough bullets into you
night glade
Revert the starting ammo and increase the amount you pick up from corpses
sonic rampart
Ye prob
shrewd stump
no good original battlefield player would support the TTK change
sonic rampart
But I hit headshots
eternal wind
way to echo the sentiments
solid hinge
theres 0 bullet attrition now
sonic rampart
And the headshots are the Same
solid hinge
pouches are worthless
eternal wind
I do, played since 1942
solid hinge
you spawn with over 100 rounds
i just mauled people this match and it felt awful
and the server couldnt fetch my report either way
great
waste of xp
this feels so unbelievably bad it isnt funny
night glade
Garand starts with like 80 rounds now, it's disgusting
raw orbit
so they removed attrition now too
hoary creek
What about the game?
solid hinge
ZH is 128rpm
raw orbit
solid hinge
hoary creek
They reverting?
rare ermine
I do, played since 1942.
solid hinge
Jungle Carbine is bae
shrewd stump
Not AFAIK, they better do though
hoary creek
Or just gonna stay with the goddamn noob update
solid hinge
for almost all these guns the sidearms do more damage
buoyant fossil
Cod ww2 had 48
vital tulip
Y did the garand have it’s fire rate removed from 360 to 257
scenic beacon
@solid hinge i'm tellin ya, pistol meta!
hoary creek
What
scenic beacon
never thought that would be a thing
buoyant fossil
The Garand isn't that slow of a rifle
solid hinge
MY GOD
buoyant fossil
it's pretty fast
hoary creek
They reverting
?
solid hinge
HOLY SHIT
shrewd stump
I dont think so @hoary creek
buoyant fossil
ZH has always been slow
solid hinge
No
vital tulip
Yeah but it says 257 on the screen
shrewd stump
its sad aint it?
hoary creek
So i guess they don't care
scenic beacon
@solid hinge just take the 1911 or the webley,good replacement lmfao
shrewd stump
yeah they dont give two shits
autumn bane
Zh is still the fastest killing gun in the game past 30 meters
buoyant fossil
RSC is faster now
hoary creek
Bad i wouldn't just play this game anymore
eternal wind
Hope they don't, god I hate the whiners in gaming. Its such a shit show
solid hinge
Battlefront is better, change my mind. 
autumn bane
within 50 meters rsc is faster but after that it becomes 3 shot kill and outclassed by zh
solid hinge
@vital tulip regular garand shoots at 300rpm, heavy load garand shoots at 257rpm, they fucked the UI up
buoyant fossil
Dice took a big shit on the community
hoary creek
@solid hinge every game is better after this update
solid hinge
Battlefront is unbalanced
sinful tusk
Twice @buoyant fossil
vital tulip
Oh
shrewd stump
if they dont they'll lose their core audience @eternal wind , its clear you aint of those.
sinful tusk
They did this before and then promised not to do this again
eternal wind
no they really didnt, you guys just cant handle change lol
hoary creek
@solid hinge lmao better than this update
solid hinge
Cough celebration edition cough
vital tulip
Thanks @solid hinge
hoary creek
@eternal wind imagine having to spray a whole magazine for one kill
vital tulip
Lol I’m gone
sinful tusk
An LMG magazine too
hoary creek
And the spotting
raw orbit
ruining the core audience's trust for the chance to get some new players 
solid hinge
hoary creek
Wtf
eternal wind
took 2-3 shoots last night for me, hardly a whole magazine
shrewd stump
yeah thats real core audience, wanting the guns to use an entire mag to kill @eternal wind
idle breach
opening a youtube channel
and make a video like "pranking a video game playerbase by tweaking major function"
eternal wind
never had to use a full mag once last night. wtf are you guys doing?
idle breach
(gone wrong)
hoary creek
@eternal wind bruh stfu if u just speak for urself
eternal wind
I am haha. It seemed fine for me
raw orbit
killed in two shots
ok so basically youre lying because only the slrs do that lmao
hoary creek
This guy says this update is great
sinful tusk
Lol have you seen the state of the FG 42
shrewd stump
imagine thinking the update is great
hoary creek
Loooks like he is one of the Noobs Dice wanted
sinful tusk
Its completely F'ed up
buoyant fossil
@eternal wind what did you even use?
idle breach
update itself is not great but
eternal wind
Or Ive been playing forever
idle breach
I think I see what dice is trying to do.
hoary creek
Noob friendly update
eternal wind
haha
solid hinge
Yikes
idle breach
no it's not noob-friendly
hoary creek
The spotting mechanism
shrewd stump
it is noob friendly, how do you deny that
idle breach
yeah, it's not noob friendly
haughty pawn
it actually benefits those who can aim even more
hoary creek
.....
shrewd stump
oh my god
sinful tusk
How is it not noob friendly
idle breach
longer engagement time and better spotting is not beneficial to noobs
raw orbit
yeah it benefits people who cna aim but theres no fuckign recoil so everyone can aim 
hoary creek
Dice wtf
shrewd stump
oh my god
idle breach
because noobs are not experienced with spotting mechanics
solid hinge
Wintermute is master baiter lol
rare ermine
It benefits people that can focus and aim.
idle breach
it may benefit the 'lower skilled' players, but for the noobs it's not really helping
hoary creek
I am done
idle breach
why do you think this is noob friendly?
eternal wind
Hey I'm just saying I had fun. Not perfect, but it seemed ok for me
idle breach
are we talking noobs just "bad players" or "new players"
hoary creek
Not playing this game with these kind of people in playerbase now
sinful tusk
Well guys I'll just stop playing until they fix this damn problem
hoary creek
And the update
solid hinge
You guys get way too worked up over a game that has always been bad
idle breach
if it's about bad players, I can agree
but new players? no. this update is not friendly towards new players.
solid hinge
me and an enemy just failed 5 melees against each other
shrewd stump
dice disagrees with you @idle breach
hoary creek
@idle breach it is goddammit
eternal wind
ya new players still get wiped, that wont change
haughty pawn
sounds normal for melee lul
idle breach
then explain
rare ermine
Threatening to quit is a cry for attention. Just do it. Quit.
haughty pawn
was it ever different ?
hoary creek
Nice
sinful tusk
New players get better with time
shrewd stump
just give up ive been trying this for 30 fucking minutes @hoary creek
shrewd stump
they dont understand
solid hinge
Lmao
eternal wind
go on reddit, you can scream to the high heavens about how DICE killed your life and youll fit right in
hoary creek
I will just quit this game asswell
haughty pawn
solid hinge
I think they buffed tank explosive radius
idle breach
This patch basically forces players to utilize "more positioning and well chosen gun in specific situation" rather than "aiming and shooting". and of course, new players can have sick aim but positioning and knowing which gun does what is just pure experience based. And new players don't even have a large choice of guns, they only got STG1-5, STEN, KE7, SMLE, and now they are "forced" to match their playstyle on that gun(not like they choose that one), it's not fundanmentally bad idea forcing to learn something but there's lot of things to learn and this patch just made noob life hard.
hoary creek
Meh
Imagine hiding in a flank and some asshole (lvl1) points accidentally at u and spots u
👍
Gameplay lvl 100
hoary condor
sinful tusk
There is a special place in hell to those that bail out on the tank and not make sure that it is destroyed
languid sinew
tidal kindle
Thank you DICE for the worst update in the game history https://www.twitch.tv/videos/517885643
eternal wind
k bye!
rare ermine
Quit... give up. It is best.
solid hinge
Tanks are really good rn
idle breach
I do hate this patch but I don't think this patch is noob-friendly or experienced-player friendly
solid hinge
I'm certain their splash got buffed
eternal wind
I dont care what you think about me lol
solid hinge
Archer never used to be doing this much destruction
No one is playing assault either
idle breach
this patch just sucks in current state.
eternal wind
I enjoyed before, I will now
sinful tusk
@tidal kindle They did this before and promised not to do it again but here we are
solid hinge
Here we go
tidal kindle
I know, i'm a 4500 hours BF player
shrewd stump
then why would you not support those who want it to return like it was before, if you enjoy it as much? @eternal wind
clearly not everyone does
tidal kindle
DICE is , imo the worst company in the game industry
shrewd stump
why would you be against that idea
solid hinge
You should try going outside lmao
sinful tusk
I assume most people here have a lot of hours
eternal wind
Because Im OK with change and willing to see how it goes over time, not bitching and moaning and whinging instatnly anything changes
sinful tusk
I have been playing religiously since bf 1943
jovial forge
still unable to post on the forums :V
idle breach
i only have like 900 hours in bfv
shrewd stump
good change is good, this aint good change.
idle breach
yeah
solid hinge
Reddit is down so I can’t threaten dice devs 😦
rare ermine
It doesn’t matter what a small portion of mouthy players want. Remember no one is special.
eternal wind
I wouldnt hate it if they changed it back either, can blame them for trying to fix things.
sinful tusk
There was nothing to change to begin with
agile sigil
@eternal wind you're right on point with that. At least they're trying to update it for the better.
idle breach
and i think they are intending to make the entire game more like
somewhat inbetween BF1 and BFV,
eternal wind
You cant whine about how broke the game is and then whine when they change things, just makes you sound childish
tidal kindle
the only purpose of this ridiculous TTK change that irritates core players is to bring in the children to make Christmas sales
idle breach
no
tidal kindle
Medic feels like shooting paper bullets
solid hinge
Medic is best class now lmao
idle breach
why are the people keep talking like christmas noobs would benefit from this patch?
reef sail
cotton balls
rare ermine
Christmas sales aren’t going to be effected by Reddit.
jovial forge
My only issue with the update was the indirect nerf to the M1907 SF and FG42. This update makes em feel like peashooters with their 20rounds.
idle breach
just making gunfight longer won't do good for any noobs
languid sinew
fixing ttk which was not broken instead of anti cheat, team balancer and not enough content dice did great problem solving here kappa
fallow root
i like that the speed of the building stuff got improved significantly
idle breach
it's not about just noob friendly, I think dice is trying to make engagement last longer
tidal kindle
@jovial forge try THomson and all medics weapons they r worst
hoary creek
Lmao the ranting on the new update is anyways going to lower the christmas sales more
fallow root
building a sand bag is just half of the time it used to take
sinful tusk
solid hinge
MP40 is still really good
hoary creek
shrewd stump
im leaving this shitshow
eternal wind
yea to me they can change all the gunplay and TTK as needed, IDC the game still feels fun. I DO want major changes to ant-cheat and team balancing. That part needs some work for sure
jovial forge
@tidal kindle Only the Thompson needed to be toned down and they butched all of em
fallow root
resembles a Chain Chomp
idle breach
so called "christmas noobs" would have some experience on shooter genre or not, all they can do is aim and shoot. they can be good at that or they can be bad. But every noob, either pretty experienced with other shooter games so have some sick aim or not
eternal wind
oh no, he doesnt like my opinion! How hard it must be
solid hinge
Why you gotta call people bungholes
eternal wind
Oh whatever shall I do
idle breach
the noobs would actually benefit from lower TTK and gun being more useful in various range
solid hinge
Y’all have no manners
solid hinge
Smh my head
idle breach
since they don't even have much gun, they are not used to maps
hoary creek
Probably this guy just played some free to play cartoon game and then someone just gave this game to him for free
idle breach
they don't know well how gadgets work
hoary creek
Probably first time in battlefield 5 franchise
tidal kindle
I joined this discord just to spread my hate of this TTK change 😉
jovial forge
Doesn't matter how much you nerf things for new players. They will still get destroyed
fallow root
anyone remember Battlefield Heroes. Aka the cartoon shooter?
hoary creek
Lmao
jovial forge
I do actually
fallow root
haha
idle breach
why the fuck people think making specific guns useless, making average guns uselss outside of its intended range etc.. would benefit the new players
eternal wind
for sure new players will still get trashed haha
tidal kindle
latest BF game i bought
sinful tusk
@eternal wind the problem with ypu is that you call other people's opinion "whiny bitches" and now you here complaining that people don't like your opinion. That makes you a hypocrite 🤡
idle breach
new players would get wreked more with this patch
hoary creek
This is what i get for supporting the game from launch
eternal wind
lol Im sorry have you read anything In here? Give me a summary and let me know what you come up with
rare ermine
Because people aren’t getting destroyed at sniper range with a SMG.
hoary creek
DICE noce
solid hinge
I’m gonna dump 2000 dollaroos so dice know how much I support the newest updates 🙂
jovial forge
Tiger should be hitting harder now tbh. Less glancing blows for me
fallow root
9-10 years ago i was seriously addicted to Battlefield Heroes. Something i regret in retroperspective. Why didn't i play MW2 or BC2 much more instead.
hoary creek
@eternal wind stfu none agrees with u and u speak for urself
eternal wind
I didnt complain, he did call me an asshole lol
hoary creek
@solid hinge praice the update
sinful tusk
@eternal wind you did call other people a whiny bitches
hoary creek
PRaise*
eternal wind
thats fine! I can still have a diff opinion and share it
hoary creek
@sinful tusk yes XD
eternal wind
Well What would you call it? haha
jovial forge
Then again I've been on the Pacific maps and Shermans with its holy big gun is nice
tidal kindle
This is resuming perfectly the TTK update https://www.reddit.com/r/BattlefieldV/comments/e6tkhy/assault_rifle_vs_pistol_in_52/
PISTOLS ARE THE MOST OP WEAPONS NOW
hoary creek
Even though he is the only asshole who likes this update
solid hinge
You guys are a giant hate circle.
eternal wind
Stickin to my guns. Who knows? maybe in a month I will hate it
idle breach
yeah, current weapons are so fucking broken the pistols are the most op weapons
sinful tusk
Aw crap I'll get sniped by revolvers now
idle breach
so how does it make noob-friendly?
hoary creek
Just quit the game , they will understand, they learn
grave sluice
Judging from the chat, am I right to assume that the gunplay now feels like Division gunplay in BFV?
sinful tusk
@grave sluice haven't played the division
jovial forge
Model 27 "It's high noon"
raw orbit
he literally stopped shooting how are you gonna point at that video and say pistols > rifles
what
eternal wind
its not quite that bad haha
hoary creek
uninstalled
jovial forge
Howitzer cannons say hello
solid hinge
Free reign with tanks
grave sluice
@solid hinge as in insanely good or bad?
fallow root
Is the armor angling / sloped armor working better now?
tidal kindle
** PISTOL > ALL **
scenic beacon
@solid hinge their armor might actually work now and not be piat fodder
buoyant fossil
finally
hoary creek
@eternal wind thx for making me uninstall......dumb bitch making me consider uninstalling discord aswell
scenic beacon
fucking weird
solid hinge
Medic is meta
grave sluice
Oh sweet
jovial forge
Tanks can finally push the objectives.
eternal wind
lol dude dont be so sensitive
solid hinge
They have best guns and can heal through pea shooters
eternal wind
santa wont bring you any gifts
hoary creek
Just fuck off
fallow root
Do angling the armor work better now?
jovial forge
I still think Assaults should of never been given AT equipment though
shy badger
No it's dumbed down nord
shy badger
Only 3/2 levels of damage instead of a linear damage line
solid hinge
@scenic beacon two panzerfausts did 18 damage to me
eternal wind
Why? they can speak for themselves
fallow root
higher change of ricochet or not
solid hinge
I literally can't die
shy badger
No
hoary creek
@eternal wind lmao fuck off
shy badger
I don't think you can ricochet anymore
hoary creek
Everyone hates new update
scenic beacon
@solid hinge WHAT THE FUCK
jovial forge
You can still get glancing blows
grave sluice
Sweet jesus, back to tanking then!
shy badger
Or if you can it has to be extreme
hoary creek
Except u @eternal wind
scenic beacon
@solid hinge you have ascended
fallow root
damn. I remember they said they'll tweak tank battles and armor angling
eternal wind
Why you hatin? I just said I liked it haha
rare ermine
Most people don’t hate it. Reddit is not the majority.
fallow root
to the better or worse
hoary creek
I am not going to waste anymore time one some moron
eternal wind
cool story bro
shy badger
You won't out damage a tiger in 1v1 anymore with a valantine
hoary creek
Nice enjoy the game
eternal wind
thanks I will! See ya man
raw orbit
lol again please tell me where are these most people
rare ermine
As much feather fluffing we have, no one is going to quit.
tidal kindle
I'm selling my lvl 150 account
sinful tusk
You could out damage a tiger?
shy badger
With the right shell and angle yes
solid hinge
Prolly playing the game @raw orbit
fallow root
So a churchill gun carrier can sustain considerable more damage before destroyed if angled appropriatedly?
sinful tusk
Woah
idle breach
tanks are good but better tanker wins like before
shy badger
Yea a churchill gun carrier is very beafy
jovial forge
Good. Tiger1 should be able to win a 1 v 1 against a foolish Valentine using its weapon cannon
shy badger
Even with no angling
haughty pawn
yall should be playing some goat of duty,it's free this weekend on steam 
fallow root
maybe less if he angle
idle breach
valentine can destroy tiger A. no problem
scenic beacon
oh no, what did you do this time
solid hinge
They need to lower it
jovial forge
Gun Carrier is a beefy thing so its unsprising
jovial forge
Gun Carrier is the Chungus
shy badger
Yep
solid hinge
I did 17 damage to an archer with an AP round, then I did 17 damage but that one was a glance despite doing exactly the same damage, then I did SEVENTY (70) DAMAGE
scenic beacon
WHAT THE FUCK
sinful tusk
F
solid hinge
What the actual, actual fuck
haughty pawn
ap are broken
raw orbit
reworked more consistent damage model btw
fallow root
all caps -.-
raw orbit
haughty pawn
again
solid hinge
By the way you literally cant die in tiger
jovial forge
Did you at least go for the tracks first?
rocky verge
Why
shy badger
There isn't much of a damage difference now
shy badger
On some tanks AP shells were fucking ridiculous
sinful tusk
Or 2v1 you
solid hinge
I was just waltzing onto points
rocky verge
Well it's a heavy tank so yeah
fallow root
so AP is only beneficial in few situations now
solid hinge
No it's stupid
shy badger
Though the howitzer heat t for the churchill(I think it's heat t) is still fucking amazing
jovial forge
heavy tanks were paper tigers before this update
solid hinge
This is a ridiculous amount of damage reduction
rocky verge
It's a heavy tank ayl
solid hinge
I was shitting on everything
scenic beacon
@solid hinge unless someone doesn't triple dynamite the 3 tellermines on your roof, you literally can't die
jovial forge
Yolo assaults can't easily kill now
haughty pawn
sherman and type 97 doe less dmg with ap than normal rounds
rocky verge
The tiger is a heavy tank the panzer 4 is medium and Panzer the small one is a light tank
solid hinge
I literally will not die unless an assault gets behind me and they wont get behind me if I pay any attention to my surroundings
Tiger default shell velocity feels highly increased
My shots were like krag speed
marble phoenix
I’d like to think I’m a demolition man, but yea Tanks seem harder To destroy now
scenic beacon
@solid hinge or just play a paranoid tf2 engi and keep your back against a wall lmao
solid hinge
I literally haven't felt this strong in anything
jovial forge
Howitzer cannons say hello
scenic beacon
@solid hinge imagine having an engineer support repping you. IMAGINE
sinful tusk
@solid hinge clearly you never got the Arditi armor in Battlefield 1 againsy noobs
haughty pawn
german engineering
scenic beacon
IMAGINE
solid hinge
@scenic beacon I had one at one point and we outlasted 5 assaults attacking us from the front
Literally indestructible
scenic beacon
holy fuck
eternal wind
I bet they will tweak it back some eventually. Unless reddit threatens to self destruct haha
solid hinge
This is an absolute shambles of balancing
scenic beacon
tank and pistol meta!
autumn phoenix
The guns were fine before pepehands
solid hinge
I couldnt see anything apart from piat smoke but I didnt even drop below 50 hp
raw orbit
ruin game for a few weeks
people stop playing
they fall behind on tow
revert changes
all the people who fell behind now need to use boins to catch up
all part of the plan
agile sigil
Ive been aggressively tanking for years across the titles. Bfv was the most difficult at first, but now tanks can actually tank. The only thing i notice is tank on tank draws out much longer
scenic beacon
the thmmmp isn't scary anymore for the first damn time
eternal wind
nah last years was waaaaayyy worse, I didnt like that one either
sinful tusk
What
fallow root
what do you mean by aggresively tanking
sinful tusk
eternal wind
this one seems decent so far, we'll see
solid hinge
AP need a buff