r u talking about bfv or bf in general?
#battlefield-legacy-titles
solid hinge
solid hinge
lol
i had it almost same,when i noticed that the btf5 wont have sweet spot for snipers
sturdy osprey
😆 see we are gamers then
solid hinge
im crying for martiny henry
sturdy osprey
Plays bf1 doesn't cringe
solid hinge
i was smoking hash since bfv come out,but im playing it anyway 
sturdy osprey
Lol
solid hinge
:DDD
solid hinge
xDD
fleet bloom
im having trouble doing the machine gunner assignment, 950 damage in one round
solid hinge
thats EZ ! u gotta simply shoot krauts 😄
shy badger
@fleet bloom Try to hop on a server of op underground
It should be around 10 kills so not too hard
solid hinge
more or less,im already lvl 10 with my support class,and game tells me : oh ,( lvl8) Bren will be aviable next round.....
sturdy osprey
When you care more about virtual reality on the battlefield then liver failure it's likely the new TTK challenge. 
solid hinge
I dont get how smgs are balanced now
sturdy osprey
solid hinge
They all have no recoil
shy badger
I feel like smgs are much better because everything is so much worse
solid hinge
It is just picking the higher rpm or what?
shy badger
There aren't many non smg guns that compete with them at their range
I go for the slower rof
Mp34
sturdy osprey
AT is superior
sturdy osprey
Ohk
shy badger
Don't think so, just less dropoff
shy badger
And are more ammo conservative
solid hinge
So it is just tommy gun spam again lmao
sturdy osprey
Yea but with camper specs lol
languid sigil
MAB38 and MP40 are great even at longer ranges
shy badger
Ye0
sturdy osprey
Freeman plz
solid hinge
I tried the zk with rapid fire and it was lazer
shy badger
All guns are laser tbf
solid hinge
Zk had the same recoil of the tommy gun b4 ttk
shy badger
Recoil is none existent
raw orbit
Zk rapid fire is so broke lmao
sturdy osprey
Is Freeman free from the battlefield subreddit comment section?
Moderator says hold my beer lol
solid hinge
The ag 42 is broken too
shy badger
Don't know why but slower rof smgs just work for me rn
Maybe because it's easier to land hs?
And it shortens the ttk
solid hinge
@shy badger try the zk w rapid fire
solid hinge
I have no idea what is the point of this rework
Every smg is the same now
Just mag and rate of fire is different
gun master in bfv?
shy badger
I wish
raw orbit
Gungame but ok zoomer
solid hinge
the boom stick as the second last weapon
solid hinge
Wait the at rifles didnt get a nerf?
raw orbit
Nomegalul
shy badger
They didn't
solid hinge
Lmao
shy badger
Knowing how higher ttk for other guns benefit the shotgund so much
solid hinge
I keep spamming ppl at long range with the 3 triple shot lmao
shy badger
So they tried to balance it before there's a problem
solid hinge
meh,i want it like on day on 1,with oneshotting kill for 100m 😄
Headshots yes
@raw orbit its called gun master in bf
But i just body shot and switch fire and spam with the shotgun @solid hinge
It is so broken imo
ill try out :
If u change the fire mode right after shotting they dont force u to reload
thats coool af :3
prime pine
Man oh man does it feel so good to club every useless motherfucking snake in this game
A goos smashing into the ground. What every one of them deserve.
sturdy osprey
Big brain ID
viscid crater
I haven't gotten to play all week
solid hinge
Lmao the selb06 got actually buffed
viscid crater
I'm gonna destroy motherfuckers this weekend
solid hinge
It quite broken
stable geyser
wonder if servers are coming soon, like really soon
viscid crater
Someone was talking about that but I don't remember exact details
stable geyser
i heard they were supposed to be out on the 6th
shy badger
9th
stable geyser
9th? how you betting that wont happen
shy badger
Huh?
stable geyser
*how much you betting it wont happen
shy badger
Oh
stable geyser
we all know ea are good at that
ebon trench
Okay
stable geyser
especially the lunge mine
stable geyser
i still havent got my bren gun and im level 20
shy badger
Lol...
stable geyser
so if ea is going how its going then we wont get servers till like the 15th
viscid crater
We'll see on Monday
stable geyser
true, the weapons and all that will probably be jacked
shy badger
Oh damn
restive talon
5.2 bad
raw orbit
is the lighting different on frontlines
jovial scarab
can we flood ea support with complaints so they can revert the ttk changes
raw orbit
THERE IS NO RECOIL
viscid crater
Create a safe play space - Protect your experience with a password. Kick and ban functionality is in place so that you can build a happy community of players.
That's gonna be fucking stupid
raw orbit
ITS INSAAAAN
stable geyser
probably ass for milsim guys
viscid crater
milsim is gay
gentle garnet
holly shit
viscid crater
Go play Day Z
raw orbit
it feels so fucking braindead im just out here with the mab playing a point and click adventure game
gentle garnet
the winter map, on the mountain
is so fucking trash
like, its absolutely horrible lol
solid hinge
they're missing so many features from community games, what the fuck
viscid crater
Most of the features you can already do
solid hinge
they delayed this shit for months and it's releasing barebones
stable geyser
you know its bad when the mod is pissed
viscid crater
I can already filter maps, game modes, how many players
solid hinge
what the actual fuck are they doing
stable geyser
we ask that everytime
shy badger
More features are coming soonTM
viscid crater
Yeah it's a bit dumb
stable geyser
its very dumb
shy badger
No TOW xp either
solid hinge
^
viscid crater
I already have all my presets I want, and I search and have like 100+ available servers for that
shy badger
I don't think I'll play private servers until I'm rank 40
viscid crater
I always do advanced search for servers
I only play conquest too so what they offer I'm already doing
gray glade
imagine a breakthrough server without the winter maps
thorn cipher
no one need comunity games with this shitty TTK
stable geyser
they probably wont even have the pacific maps or anything
viscid crater
I'm NOT going to join your fucking server and have you ban me either
fuck that
Kick me because I'm raping your squad and you're a mod
gray glade
would you preferre to play official server with cheaters?
charred heron
No need to be insulting, m'kay
raw orbit
man it just feels like all resemblance of the shooting requiring skill is gone 
theres absolutely no recoil so its just whoever has the most dudes in their zerg wins
viscid crater
Oh I wasn't insulting him
compact oxide
gray glade
i feel its easier to get higher k/d now than it was before
cuz ppl dont use optimal guns
shy badger
It easier if you can tracj
gray glade
yeah
charred heron
Just play planes only for high k/ds now lmao
shy badger
But players who dob't will adapt
stable geyser
not to mention nearly ALL of the guns were NEVER USED IN WW2
eternal peak
hi
raw orbit
theres no punishment at all for having a bad position either because you always have enough time to find cover 😒
viscid crater
The PPSH was and it's not even in here
eternal peak
has the game gone to shit like I expected?
latent siren
Fun fact, easter egg's handgun does 10 damage on every range. So basically its easier to kill someone with handgun than with fg 42 xD
compact oxide
@eternal peak na
eternal peak
okay
gray glade
people who cant adapt are complaining alot
eternal peak
oh
compact oxide
Pretty much, there's a few loud voices complaining
gray glade
though some weapons need buffs
stable geyser
EA DONT CARE THO
compact oxide
But that's about it
gray glade
like the mmgs and lmgs arent as useful anymore
shy badger
I mean, I adapted pretty quick too, but I'm still against the changes
viscid crater
Any time there is an update nothing ever changes for me
eternal peak
oh
viscid crater
I play exactly the same
gray glade
i think they nerfed some of the weapons a bit hard, but if you are fine with using for example mp40 instead of suomi or something you're fine
eternal peak
I only use the sturmgewehr and the jungle carbine lol
gray glade
those should be fine still 🙂
raw orbit
you gotta find the laser guns and then it just makes the game braindead lmao
viscid crater
Sten, and STG for me
quasi aspen
Suomi 981rpm is still very good
raw orbit
i like the stg mab and zk so far
sturdy osprey
😂
stable geyser
stg is op
gray glade
it depends more on distance now, like its not as forgiving anymore, but if you can get around that kind of stuff its still good
viscid crater
Does the suomi go up to 9oorpm?
solid hinge
Something I'm hoping for in community games is custom revive speed, I'd love to make the revives slow to match the new ttk
sturdy osprey
It kills me
solid hinge
But it's probably not there
viscid crater
It's default is 770
quasi aspen
with upgrades
eternal peak
oh
solid hinge
sturmgewehr is a 6btk now isnt it? That's awful
eternal peak
which one?
quasi aspen
yes🤡
eternal peak
the 1-5 or the 44?
quasi aspen
1-5
eternal peak
shit
primal ivy
Do the new TTK changes apply to firestorm?
solid hinge
Doesn't the Tommy Gun suck more ass then it already did now?
gray glade
yes
raw orbit
lmao
solid hinge
wow.
shy badger
@primal ivy yea
quasi aspen
M1907SF have 5btk but faster fire rate haha
sinful tusk
I thought they promised not to mess with TTK aftwe last years F up...
shy badger
That's the funniest thing
raw orbit
firestorm gonna take 12 years to get a kill 
solid hinge
hi guys im the new ttk please punch me
sturdy osprey
People don't like lol
shy badger
Firestorn rn is a meme
solid hinge
new ttk changes affect firestorm, good luck killing anyone in it now
eternal peak
I've mained the 1-5 since the game came out, how dare they desecrate my boy
primal ivy
ahahahahahahahahahaha i am gonna run a green kar98 and slaughter every fool in firestorm
eternal peak
oh
sinful tusk
Boi
gray glade
im mostly pissed about the flieger nerf than anything
eternal peak
yeah
solid hinge
good thing i unlocked the mp40 gold variant beforr this
eternal peak
that makes no sense
primal ivy
So other than snipers, what weapon is meta in firestorm?
quasi aspen
so planes are epic again?
sinful tusk
I'm pissed about this update period, they saif they were not gonna mess with TTK anymore
solid hinge
flieger was op
sturdy osprey
Bfv is a meme
gray glade
yes, they boosted the planes
sinful tusk
Said*
eternal peak
wow
sturdy osprey
After 5.1
gray glade
like the firebombs cannot be put out by diving on the ground
viscid crater
Community games is just stupid lmao
solid hinge
only thjng im happy about rn is the flaust nerf
gray glade
so even if you have 70% health left after the initial firebomb damage, you will burn alive
eternal peak
wow
solid hinge
@primal ivy anything with bayonet
gray glade
yeah, i dont get it
viscid crater
Gotta spam heals
raw orbit
selby 1906 still feels nice i think
gray glade
only get one as assault, support or recon 😄
solid hinge
if you have full health and armour in firestorm then you'll take 15 shots minimum to die from most automatics, which means you can just.. run through the bullets and bayonet people
quasi aspen
bayonet meta?..😨
solid hinge
this ttk change shows that they've literally given up on firestorm
it's not balanced for that mode at all
they've dropped it
raw orbit
bayonets useful 
thank you dice
sturdy osprey
If you're in a tdm and one plays a gud medic and successful medic and they aren't you win
Recon
sturdy osprey
😂 damn my brain is bad rn
tribal aurora
Oh damn I haven't even thought about firestorm yet 
graceful merlin
How are people enjoying the 5.2 weapon changes? 🍿 
sturdy osprey
I blame it on bdv ttlk
raw orbit
the selby 1906 is actually good lmao and the best thing is the bad ammo and reloads dont even matter because if you flank everyone will have noticed you by then anyway 
sturdy osprey
See
solid hinge
blackout
shy badger
Yea?
viscid crater
I think the last update on Firestorm was in May?
raw orbit
damn madsen is godlike what on earth
sturdy osprey
My brain cells must had died to all the ttk changes
solid hinge
@shy badger my bet is that it would be too complicated to separate the damage values/rof changes/recoil changes, so they just gave up on it
primal ivy
it might be legit to use webley rather than many of the SARs at this point
hollow wren
Firestorm is not playable at now
solid hinge
im going back to bf4
sturdy osprey
Freemam likes memes i hear
solid hinge
the other revolver beats almost everything up to 30 metres
shy badger
Hopefully I'll find a game in FS
primal ivy
ive been holding points with webley for past two days
alpine apex
I got a question, is it possible for a player to change team on a Community Games?
sturdy osprey
Make bfVI
solid hinge
whats community games
viscid crater
Maybe
raw orbit
THE MADSEN IS SO GOOD 
shy badger
Private servers
solid hinge
nooo
viscid crater
Depends on if the moderator of that server allows it
alpine apex
RSP aka Private Servers
viscid crater
You can try to join someones session and see if that'll work when they do it
I think it will because normal servers you can
solid hinge
all the private servers gonna be like no everything no
alpine apex
Why do you hate private server @solid hinge ?
Dont play on them if you dont like em. Freedom of choice!
raw orbit
it so fucking good
viscid crater
Because you have a bunch of kids who likely suck at the game controlling the server, and being on power trips
solid hinge
the thing is that 90% of the servers are gonna be user generated
raw orbit
when most guns are 5btk at 0m
sturdy osprey
Yes of course they are fs only exists in dreams because it's already a fucking nightmare
raw orbit
and the madsen is 6btk everywhere
solid hinge
its accurate too
raw orbit
and the recoil is fucking nothing now too yeah
solid hinge
you can also just use the webley up close
alpine apex
We have always had private server in a battlefield games. That was taken away with BF1/V.
RSP in BF1 was not a very good product.
solid hinge
like webley literally has higher DPS than madsen up to ten metres
alpine apex
Its important for communities and Competitive Leagues to have that.
shy badger
Firestorm expected queue time 3 minutes 
solid hinge
webley now kills faster than the model 8 and RSC
sturdy osprey
Use weebly het 30 heath per kill beats the new TTK changes lol
alpine apex
Firestorm should be free.
solid hinge
with more bullets and a faster reload
gray glade
wait, is the madsen any good?
ebon trench
Why lock tow progression and xp out of community games
gray glade
after ttk
ebon trench
That a bit raw
solid hinge
madsen went from 5-5 to 6-6 btk
gray glade
cuz otherwise ppl would abuse it
primal ivy
did they nerf model 8 and rsc too?
solid hinge
apparently it also got more accurate
raw orbit
raw orbit
recoil is a literal non-factor now in 5.2 for every gun
sturdy osprey
I hope dice employees get presents still but feels bad for the battlefield community they let down
solid hinge
now even slower
gray glade
m1a1 feels fast enough imo
raw orbit
i like the 1906
minor jacinth
oof
raw orbit
i cant tell if its slower or not
solid hinge
new smg is 6btk though
sloppy damage
and then later on bfv releases the ussr dlc and everyond comes back again
alpine apex
@sturdy osprey What do you mean by letting down the community?
raw orbit
idk maybe going agaisnst the wishes of literally everyone
for the sake of muh new players
lol
minor jacinth
@solid hinge the grease gun?
raw orbit
just ignoring that those new players will be vets one day too and will also get fucked over by dice
minor jacinth
ah
viscid crater
How do you know aylu?
minor jacinth
So my current SMG rooster is
echo turtle
Community outrage
minor jacinth
MP40 and MAB
solid hinge
sneaky peeking at the files
minor jacinth
and I thinj the Grease will join them
minor jacinth
@solid hinge i wanna know the specs from the grease gun
sage lagoon
Why not the type 100
solid hinge
mab was good as well
sage lagoon
Type 100 is actually op now
solid hinge
t100 id good as well
raw orbit
everythying is easy to use now
solid hinge
small mag zk/sten/mp40/emp/type 100 are probably some of the most decent guns now because they have the same minimum time to kill as before
viscid crater
mp34 and mab right now are the most powerful smgs with 5-8BTK from 10-30m
raw orbit
yeah mab is feeling 👌
minor jacinth
indedd
delicate herald
MP40 feels pretty solid as well
viscid crater
Weapons: MP34, MAB38
Damage: 5-8 BTK
Effective Range: 10-30 m
Spawn ammo target: 150-180
SMGs with reduced damage drop-off at the cost of lower damage output at close range. Allows Medics to get extra range on open maps.
minor jacinth
I was holding one point on breakthrough because the enemy just died instantly tp my MAB
I hate the typ100
I hate SMG with Bipod
sage lagoon
BTK isn’t everything to consider when considering how powerful a weapon is
solid hinge
EMP kills in 4 hits up close and has 568rpm
sturdy osprey
I mean because the old TTK was the best
sage lagoon
You must also consider fire rate and accuracy
viscid crater
type 100 is 5-12 from 0-20m
sturdy osprey
This is ass
sturdy osprey
Ikr
viscid crater
Yes lol
sturdy osprey
I've notice it as well
minor jacinth
My fav weapon must have: highbfire rate and high damage, just like the suomi had it
thats why this weapon was my baby
sturdy osprey
Dices idea of cq is 1m
raw orbit
lmao
sturdy osprey
Next to the enemie
minor jacinth
but now its the MAB, highest fire rste and hoghest dmg.
sturdy osprey
Fucking idiots
viscid crater
the smgs also are suffering heavy damage reduction at long range
raw orbit
feel like the meta guns are just any ones that are decent at range
i guess it makes sense if you have a choice between being better up to 10m or being better evberywehere further than 10m
lol
solid hinge
some of the smgs can pass up close pretty decently, but considering how fast drop off happens it's always gonna be to your benefit to have a ranged weapon
solid hinge
pick something good at range and take the webley, use the webley under 10 metres
minor jacinth
except you play Underground
viscid crater
A lot of my engagements are like 0-20m
solid hinge
pick something good under 10 metres and pick the model 27, use the model 27 beyond 10 metres
congrats you win this patch
sturdy osprey
I hope they get fat from all they're kids cookies that still believe in Santa. Then they will know how it feels to be let down by a change.
viscid crater
The MK Vl?
raw orbit
but its like
you kill marginally quicker under 15m
and you cant kill at all past 15m
solid hinge
mk VI is the webley, it's 180rpm 2btk up to 12 metres
model 27 (I think is the name,the new revolver) is 109rpm 2btk up to 30 metres
viscid crater
I don't think I've ever used it lol
sturdy osprey
Still gonna grind for the Tommy 
solid hinge
none of the sidearms got touched so the webley is literally better than some primaries up close
solid hinge
hos to disable emblems i hatr gettig killed by a weeb
stoic breach
sturdy osprey
Hypocrite yep i might be but i need to ask Tommy how he feels with the recent TTK changes
viscid crater
They finally fixed sliding on xbox lol
solid hinge
bf4
viscid crater
I haven't been able to slide in like years
raw orbit
o
compact oxide
You can't disable them in BF4
sturdy osprey
Yep but not the freeze on Pacific
compact oxide
Just have to live with the salt
solid hinge
oh
primal ivy
Trying to vote brigade is a bannable offence bruh
primal ivy
lol im sure the discord doesn't care but its technically against reddit rules 😄
compact oxide
Are you trying to make trouble
fleet bloom
how do i change class in practice mode
compact oxide
@fleet bloom you can't
keen gull
No trouble
fleet bloom
keen gull
Just exposing something not in the patch notes that fucks us all with high skill
severe wraith
Obama
compact oxide
Practice range is a useless appendage
gray saffron
Damn, im super excited for the custom servers. Can't wait to go 24/7 airborne or favourite maps only. The list of possibile features sound great, though we'll always have to see kf dice can actually deliver that xd
sturdy osprey
Jer9 is literally the onky optimistic individual about this new TTK change lol
Only -___-
raw orbit
how many times is dice gonna release half baked content like the training mode and coop and shit
compact oxide
Tbh I'm keen to try the new ttk
molten verge
I havent played with 5.2 yet but i heard and seen that bullets feel strange now
primal ivy
I am also super happy about the new TTK changes considering I only run bolt action + pistol
gray saffron
Eh, i'll embrace that fact then ;D
raw orbit
like its just a waste of time if youre gonna make it trash because nobodys gonna play it
sturdy osprey
Plz don't cry lol
raw orbit
sturdy osprey
Like i did
compact oxide
It sounds like BF1 which I love and sounds like they got rid of the crappy BFV gunplay
molten verge
In my opinion just looking at gameplay vids, bullets feel weak
viscid crater
I think it's good for people who only want to fly or use tanks
fleet bloom
this new TTK puts the game in a better place to balance guns from, if dice continue to adjust them
sturdy osprey
Bf1 is fun though
primal ivy
my uncle at dice gave me a nice christmas present putting these TTK changes into play 😍
gray saffron
I definitely feel more urged to be play bfv than pre5.2. It's a good change. Lot less frustrating
viscid crater
community games will be good for those who want to just do dogfights
sturdy osprey
I hope that's sarcasm
molten verge
Seems like the entire community is entirely split with the new ttk changes
dusk whale
new update has been pretty enjoyable not gonna lie
sturdy osprey
How about the majority thinks it sucks
primal ivy
no sarcasm, if you use bolt action and hate all those pesky SMG scrubs then its golden
dusk whale
played for like 5 days before it and getting crossmapped with an smg was not really enjoyable
primal ivy
also if you hate MG players
molten verge
Ye most of the community hates the new ttk
sturdy osprey
Not much of a split tbh
raw orbit
the shooting feels completely braindead now if you ask me 😒 so little recoil it doesnt even matter anymore and the single factor that determines how good a weapon is is how effective it is at range lmao
molten verge
I dont hv a opinion yet
fleet bloom
reddit and this discord is not most of the community
molten verge
Wut
molten verge
Has the type 100 changed
fleet bloom
commu auto correct to comminists, mb
sturdy osprey
Torso shots end careers lol
viscid crater
Yeah they nerfed all smgs
compact oxide
Split is actually around half half for like/dislike
gray glade
i heard the type 100 is one of the best smgs atm tho?
gray saffron
My main frustration came from being shot at at ramges that you can hardly compete at. If you're a medic and get shot at at hamada, you're absolutely fucked. No movement would save you pre5. 2. It was frustrating to spawn and then immediately die due some semi auto, mmger on the hill at F. Now it's mostly recons that are a huge threat at range (which is and feels fair) the rest of the infantry becomes a threat more medium and close range depending on class and weapons.
compact oxide
The people that hate it are just So Damn Loud
dusk whale
i reckon they added this update to fuck with all the people who played for longer so it sort of brings new players closer to them skill-wise
viscid crater
Type 100 is good, MAB, MP34
compact oxide
It's made me want to play for the first time in 8 months
fleet bloom
MMGs didn't even get recoil reduced, dead class 
stuck plaza
@compact oxide the entire community that never asked for it is so loud*
boy im boutta get flamed
compact oxide
Which is like 10 peeps 
viscid crater
^
stuck plaza
@compact oxide Please show me ONE GUY, who said:"I want dice to change the ttk"
raw orbit
madsen is easily the best support weapon imo
shit rolls shame you cant see half your screen with it though
molten verge
@stuck plaza ~me~ jk
stuck plaza
10 peeps? what the fuck made you think like that?
unreal nebula
they broke it
solid hinge
no matter what ttk , youre gonna enjoy the game when youre on the last breakthrough sector in Pacific storm
molten verge
Ikr
solid hinge
So... I tried the new update... I really really really don't like the icons on close by enemies. It really feels like the worst solution to the visibility problems.
stuck plaza
you yourself even said you didnt try the new ttk
sturdy osprey
Please God don't let the players experience the new TTK changes
stuck plaza
go ahead and try it
raw orbit
yeah dice just gave up with visibility 
solid hinge
It feels very... Overwatch.
echo turtle
It's a tad annoying
gray saffron
Try turning off rim lighting, max. The new system makes much more sense with it off and looks visually more stunning
solid hinge
And I've been joking that they'd add red outlines to enemies next.
molten verge
I rly wanna try it but sick so ye
tall finch
So I havent been able to get on my pc since I've been busy and I'm nervous to try the new TTK out
solid hinge
seeing what direction spotted people are facing is too much
viscid crater
They changed visibility with certain AMD cards on PC
echo turtle
Plus having the player icons as arrows on the map kills the fun of predicting what they may do
viscid crater
DX12
tall finch
Wait you can see which direction spotted people are facing?
molten verge
Is DX 12 actually fixed now?
solid hinge
No
gray saffron
I do agree with that ayla. I think the arrow for players wasn't needed
tall finch
Wait that's a thing
alpine fulcrum
do you guys think they'll revert the changes?
viscid crater
Fixed a bug that would cause soldiers to not have the correct lighting and appear to stand in darkness on certain AMD cards running DX12.
stuck plaza
lets just say this: LITERALLY N O B O D Y ASKED FOR THE CHANGES
solid hinge
addthe bow in bfv
echo turtle
Depends on how vocal the community
solid hinge
I honestly didn't feel like I got killed by people I couldn't see all that often
echo turtle
Is
alpine fulcrum
they already said if the reaction is too negative they'll revert
solid hinge
im the green arroq
echo turtle
Who knows
molten verge
@alpine fulcrum they would probably quickly change to the lesser intrusive ttk change they said about in the previous livestream
gray saffron
I hope they'll stick to their guns andjust tweak the outliers
fleet bloom
the counter to that is, you know finally when you're spotted , after how many games
raw orbit
looking forward to 5.3 update where youll also get a leading icon to tell you where to shoot someone to compensate for range and bullet drop 👍
stoic breach
The spotting changes they added would've been great in BF1
echo turtle
They might just keep it just to spite us
alpine fulcrum
god.. the games just not fun anymore. 90% of the times it ends like 500-0
stuck plaza
@raw orbit ------>SHOOT HERE!
alpine fulcrum
it feels too easy now
molten verge
Haha
solid hinge
these changes still havent fixed team balancing
raw orbit
yeah its great its gonna reduce the frustration for new players so much
echo turtle
Comebacks are harder to pull off now
compact oxide
Oh yeah team balancing still isn't in
alpine fulcrum
like i dont really care tbh about the ttk, i just saying the games aren't feeling the same anymore
molten verge
Id argue it puts off new players
solid hinge
If I were to tackle the visibility problem, I'd give the metal parts of weapons a slight gleam, I'd raise the volume of enemies breathing while in prone, and I would make prone enemies a bit more animated when they're not holding down shift to hold their breath. I honestly think that would solve the issue
compact oxide
Imma just go back to not playing BFV then
molten verge
Play SWBF2 lmao
compact oxide
Lol no
viscid crater
Lol
viscid crater
The new map on apex is garbage
echo turtle
But the map just glows red in the enemy's general direction
solid hinge
Me and my friends were considering going back to BF3 hardcore, but the community servers we used to play on shut down recently
compact oxide
I've been replaying Doom 2016 and Deus Ex instead of BFV
stuck plaza
@compact oxide derrikk:"yea i didnt play bfv 5.2" also derrikk:"The TtK chANgEs ARe grEaT!"
molten verge
Lmao
stuck plaza
then play the game
molten verge
Opinions exist
alpine fulcrum
i think... thats IF they were releasing the RSP with the TTK changes and letting us set the previous TTK as "hardcore" - it would be simpler to everyone
stuck plaza
and tell me if your opinion is the same
compact oxide
Can't be stuffed updating the game
sturdy osprey
I feel bad for anyone thay hasn't but does get to experience this trash experience
compact oxide
Ain't played since April so there's a lot of updates
plush flume
At least play the update to make up your mind instead of listening to others
molten verge
I like Jackfrags new nerf gun though...
stuck plaza
@molten verge yea but like he says his opinion while never having expirience, WHAT KIND OF AN OPINION IS THAT
alpine fulcrum
i can accept the changes, but let us run the previous settings as hardcore
gray saffron
They're planning to add features that can make it a hardcore experience though, colonel
sturdy osprey
Manic save yourself a keyboard or controller
echo turtle
An uninformed opinion
alpine fulcrum
so it would be fine
molten verge
Ye
alpine fulcrum
just waiting to end of dec
viscid crater
I don't even know what game to play anymore that is a good FPS
gray saffron
Did you read the blog post about comm servers?
solid hinge
I really don't like the TTK changes. I don't even really understand them. They literally turned some assault rifles and LMG's into SMG's. If DICE wants Assault and Support players to have SMG's, give them a damn SMG.
alpine fulcrum
yeah but i didnt remember anything about hardcore mode
compact oxide
Community servers means hardcore
molten verge
Comm servers are abit of a let down for the initial release
echo turtle
My main concern is that the STG is more common than the other Assault weapons with the changes
alpine fulcrum
welp.. either they revert the ttk or release the RSP, both good solutions for me
molten verge
Even going as far as disabling tides of war and chapter xp progression in comm games
gray saffron
They're trying to make the classes more sandboxy. Give them tools for any situation. Like thompsons upclose, mp40 for range, mp34 for easier aim etc.
solid hinge
And I also don't see why assault and support should need them. If most kits have choices of weapons covering all ranges, then what's the point of having weapon types bound to specific kits?
molten verge
Hey but at least we can finally kick freakin hackers now right
solid hinge
this is less sandboxy though
fallow cypress
Hi here to pop in and say I’m sad and frustrated with the new update
plush flume
Join the rest
molten verge
Fairly sure majority is
solid hinge
the maps are huge but most of the guns suck after 20 metres
alpine fulcrum
i aint care about the tow shit. i can go for 2 days complete tow challanges and back to my private servers
compact oxide
@fallow cypress the other boys aren't playing through with ya?
echo turtle
What
gray saffron
The guns feel more tailored to your preferred playstyles than it did before imo
molten verge
Wait wth
solid hinge
wake island trailer probably
molten verge
Oh a short sneak peek
compact oxide
Imagine caring about TOW
viscid crater
LOL
fallow cypress
@compact oxide dude the update is real shit
stuck plaza
@compact oxide please say 10 peeps didnt want the ttk changes again. i dare you
gray saffron
Most maps have plenty of cover to close the gap though.
sturdy osprey
Yep still not fun TTK changes everything
compact oxide
@stuck plaza 10 peeps didn't want the ttk changes
sturdy osprey
Not recon though
gray saffron
Or in case of alsundan, vehicles to get closer
molten verge
@gray saffron ye true
stuck plaza
@compact oxide i am immersed
compact oxide
Good
solid hinge
I'm all for making some changes to make some of the guns more distinct from each other, but I think this update just made it silly.
stuck plaza
yes
alpine fulcrum
tanks are basically indestructible now
echo turtle
Oh yeah
solid hinge
Wake Island trailer in an hour
compact oxide
As we all know BFV is an immersive milsim
molten verge
Oh no
solid hinge
this made a lot of guns more similar to each other
alpine fulcrum
you need like huuuuuuge amount of team effort to take one down
stuck plaza
@compact oxide yes yes very yes
molten verge
If tanks are indestructible
solid hinge
tanks sound basically immortal as well
plush flume
Tanks feel the same to take down
echo turtle
What's up with that, soloing tanks was a fun activity
molten verge
The game is practically unplayable for me lmao
sturdy osprey
They are just trying to silence us pissed off individuals
echo turtle
And now it takes 3 humans to kill just one
molten verge
I can never ever take down a freakin tank ever because it shoots first
gray saffron
Wake island trailer is gonna pull some nostalgic strings. Im betting it will has some callbacks to the bf1942 intro
plush flume
How are they silencing you?
sturdy osprey
Not gonna work this time i demand 10k boins
solid hinge
people have been saying they've been being hit by large bombs in tigers and it having done far less damage than it used to
fallow cypress
Battlefield 5 was getting there with the pacific update them BOOM 5.2 patch
molten verge
Next
compact oxide
Boins
echo turtle
Just bolt to a tank bro
molten verge
Revert ttk changes - 1000 boins
viscid crater
1000 Brapples
echo turtle
Can't do shit if their turret can't train itself on you
plush flume
The only thing wrong with the 5.2 patch is the TTK
solid hinge
I honestly think they should work on a better solution for visibility (although I don't think it's as big of an issue as some seem to think), and roll back the entire TTK change.
stuck plaza
@molten verge 1000 boins- 1000 boins
plush flume
Everything else Is fine
fallow cypress
Yeah
gray saffron
You need atleast two runs on tiger tanks with fighter cannons now. They're quite strong now yeh.
compact oxide
I'd prefer BF1:2 and lootboxes and dlcs back plz
fallow cypress
Also
plush flume
No
compact oxide
Y'all still happy with live service?
solid hinge
And then maybe go weapon by weapon based on community feedback, rather than sweeping changes to everything
echo turtle
Sort of
plush flume
Yes, I am happy. I don’t have to pay extra
fallow cypress
As a tanker tanks have gotten better
echo turtle
There's a bonus for the BAR
gray saffron
They already did do this though, max
alpine fulcrum
guys guys.. some might say we are vocal minority
sturdy osprey
🤣Ten thousand boins or uninstall and never get boins. Dice 😓
molten verge
No
alpine fulcrum
because the internet saying it shit
echo turtle
So it's nice that they're trying to reward you for doing something that's unnecessary
stuck plaza
@compact oxide live service of skins yes
solid hinge
@gray saffron They already rolled back the TTK changes? That's news to me.
stuck plaza
guns? the fuck are these
compact oxide
Live service of nothing on a base game of nothing
molten verge
I don t even think no PR screw ups would have saved its launch
alpine fulcrum
you know before i buy game im checking aorund
molten verge
Nerf Field
alpine fulcrum
going youtube, reddit
gray saffron
Im talkimg about constantly tweaking the guns on seperate occasions based on feedback @solid hinge
alpine fulcrum
if everyone saying its shit, i skip
compact oxide
Honestly the chances they'll roll back the changes are pretty low tbh
solid hinge
Yeah, and I liked the TTK, so...
molten verge
They will
solid hinge
I think it was working
strong pecan
I have a question
echo turtle
Just give us a poll or something
molten verge
They legit said
compact oxide
Seeing as it was actually planned out
molten verge
At least a lesser nerfed version
stuck plaza
@compact oxide bread sandwich filled with bread, featuring bread crumbs
strong pecan
Will i be able to remove hud and lower the health in comunity games?
compact oxide
@stuck plaza you're assuming there's filling at all
plush flume
They won’t completely revert the TTK but they’ll do quite a bit to it I’d imagine
solid hinge
It just feels like the game was just severely dumbed down
stuck plaza
@compact oxide its litteraly just two pieces of bread you fucking dumbass
gray saffron
You will be in future. Not in current community games i think
strong pecan
Ah okay then
compact oxide
I reckon they'll fix the worst guns (cough fg42 cough)
@stuck plaza you assume there's bread
plush flume
Why’d you cough?
fallow cypress
They might revert it ya never know
alpine fulcrum
they should fix the garand
fallow cypress
I hope they do lol
compact oxide
I have a cold @plush flume
stuck plaza
@compact oxide you assume there's assumption
alpine fulcrum
its fucking terrible now
gray saffron
There's a blog post about it on #game-news i think @strong pecan
raw orbit
Max saying what I'm thinking 🗣️
alpine fulcrum
need whooooole magazine to kill someone
compact oxide
@stuck plaza assume makes an ass out of u and me
gray saffron
Only need 3. Just like before?
alpine fulcrum
no, need more
gray saffron
One if you do headshots
plush flume
I don’t need a full Grand clip
alpine fulcrum
well at least from the ranges i usually shoot
stuck plaza
@compact oxide jokes aside chapter 3 ruined live service
alpine fulcrum
im not landing a lot of headshots
fallow cypress
With longer ttk you can’t flank and take out 2-3 enemies by surprise well you can but much harder
alpine fulcrum
so im used to hit the body rapidly
gray saffron
What range do you shoot? 200m? Xd
molten verge
Nah Chapter 4 ruined it @stuck plaza
stuck plaza
@molten verge you really dont remember chp 3?
plush flume
Yeah chapter 4 was trash
alpine fulcrum
nah like 50-60
echo turtle
Chapter 4 was the one that pretty much killed it
alpine fulcrum
i swear you, i dont kill them with 3 bullets
hollow wren
I love TTK, thanks Dice
alpine fulcrum
i switched to ag42
stuck plaza
chapter 3 started the whole skin feeding, chapter 4 intensified it
molten verge
I wasnt rly there for anything before June soooo
alpine fulcrum
better
compact oxide
The game was doomed from the start imo
echo turtle
There was next to no reason to hop on for 3-4 weeks
molten verge
Wth whats skin feeding
fallow cypress
Yo Derrick
alpine fulcrum
its known - one good game, one bad game
solid hinge
cheaping out on good rewards by just giving you shitty skins
BFV was great before 5.2
raw orbit
So bf3 was the bad game 
gray saffron
Yeah. Too much outrage at launch due that terrible reveal trailer
molten verge
It has 2 more years of live service
solid hinge
chapter 4 was CRAP because of this
alpine fulcrum
sadly bad iteration fell on ww2
yes bf4 is way better
imo
then this shit cops and thiefs
then bf1
then this
stuck plaza
@molten verge skin definition of drip feeding 😄
compact oxide
@fallow cypress ye bru
molten verge
Omg
solid hinge
oh hey anyone remember firestorm
stuck plaza
lol
echo turtle
The chapter 3 was with firestorm yeah? So that would be the signs of the slow decline until the whole service nose dived
fallow cypress
Get my message?
molten verge
Ye it isnt rly alive anymore
raw orbit
compact oxide
@fallow cypress no?
echo turtle
"Hey bro, play some Firestorm to get a weapon and it's more tedious than playing the base MP"
Fuck the boys at week
solid hinge
community games has been delayed to hell and back and is releasing bare bones, this ttk patch was allegedly in construction for months but has made certain guns literally outclassed in every single way by others, tanks are now made of unobtanium, firestorm is literally dead in the water
molten verge
It has been leaked (from an uncredible source) that the next game was supposed to be Bad Company 3 but development seen fell through and they scrapped that
It just a leak so take that with 10 teaspoons of salt
molten verge
It has uncredible leak
alpine fulcrum
or it would be super wierd to make bc3 to pc
solid hinge
tanks essentially are universally stronger now
alpine fulcrum
yeah i know
solid hinge
armour-wise
plush flume
That’s better right?
molten verge
Whyyyy
alpine fulcrum
tanks? they're immortal now
molten verge
Whyyy they buff tanks
alpine fulcrum
not fun
solid hinge
@molten verge they didnt
alpine fulcrum
the only thing still the same fun is planes
molten verge
I already had so much trouble escaping from a tank
alpine fulcrum
thankefully
solid hinge
Tank to tank combat is broken
idk what it is about the vehicle meta but it's just so bad now
they boosted the armour and tweaked anti-tank tool damage to make it easier for tanks to push, but this has the side effect of making them even better at camping
molten verge
I mean infantry to tank combat
raw orbit
Dice be like "we didn't like that you would sometimes do pea damage to tanks so we made it do pea damage all the time" 
prime pine
Imagine the ke7 being the best lmg for the meta
solid hinge
yeah that's what i figured
literally nothing will dislodge a camping tiger
nothing
stuck plaza
bruh imagine bread sandwich
solid hinge
the tank meta is fundamentally off
stuck plaza
and its just a piece of plain fucking bread
gray saffron
Eh? I can kill tanks in a sherman with 3-4 shots
prime pine
Everything is off
molten verge
Except a JB-2 rocket 🙂
solid hinge
pacific tanks have it different because they have no heavies
prime pine
But they fucked it all up
alpine fulcrum
its simple, the bottom line they want more money
gray saffron
Ah true.
alpine fulcrum
and they think this is a way
prime pine
Basicallly mediums with heavy tank armament
solid hinge
heavies are made out of diamonds now
alpine fulcrum
so they try it
solid hinge
i actually kinda like a longer TTK
nova cedar
40 minutes to wake island
solid hinge
i loved the bf1 ttk so anything closer to it is good for me
gray saffron
Im going to try panzerstorm or something
rocky wing
when does wake island come out?
gray saffron
Next week
plush flume
No it’s a trailer
solid hinge
lowkey want them to tweak out the weapon balance around it instead of revert back
molten verge
12 dec i think
plush flume
Today
elder patio
1 hour left booooooooooooooyzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
rocky wing
so trailer today?
molten verge
Ye
gray saffron
Yes
molten verge
But the actual map is next wk
rocky wing
rightio, thanks
alpine fulcrum
but... its so upsetting to play wake island with this stupid ttk
i will play it with mixed feels
molten verge
Maybe they will revert it?
nova cedar
LOL
alpine fulcrum
it would take a month
nova cedar
good one
plush flume
Yeah maybe
alpine fulcrum
they're pickng data now
molten verge
I mean surely they would have a freakin failsafe
solid hinge
doubt it'll get reverted for a couple weeks at the very least even if they do it at all
alpine fulcrum
usually such changes would take a month
plush flume
It’s literally last December TTK all over again with the backlash
alpine fulcrum
im working in tech company doing such tests
changing flows etc
it takes month
you want enough data to know if you did mistake or not
molten verge
I mean in the case of SWBF2 the lighstsaber combat was changed quite alot and people hated it so in like one or two days, they released a hotfix that reverted it all
alpine fulcrum
so 2 days its absolutely not enough. but maybe im wrong
molten verge
I assumed they would have tried to do the same thing with BF5
alpine fulcrum
i hope i wrong
plush flume
They did the same if I recall with the last TTK
solid hinge
they fuck up in swbf2 all the time though
molten verge
Its way better now
haughty pawn
i'd say 90% of the ppl like the 5.2 changes,99% of them are not on discord or reddit anyways 
molten verge
Literally released like 10 skins this wk
alpine fulcrum
you guys think swbf2 worth a play?
ebon trench
I mean seeing the obi Wan trailer again for the 10th time even though it's been out months is still a fun past time @solid hinge
molten verge
I guess
raw orbit
how to make the game less frustrating to new players
ruin the gunplay so all the veterans stop playing
game is now only new players
mission complete
molten verge
Is it still $5
alpine fulcrum
let me see
solid hinge
last ttk was- by their own admission- not thought through at all and a bandaid fix, this ttk is allegedly a big thing long in the making so I imagine it'll be here a month at the very least while they gather information on it
alpine fulcrum
30 euro
plush flume
5.2 is good, it’s just the TTK which isn’t
solid hinge
And the red icons on all players close to you
ebon trench
The music in that trailer
plush flume
I like the red icons
alpine fulcrum
@solid hinge that what i said
solid hinge
I despise them
haughty pawn
i'm good with the new ttk,but some weapons really need some fine tuning tho
alpine fulcrum
a month, at least
plush flume
Fair
main grove
I was all for making auto weapons weaker at range
molten verge
There is another edition called Celebration edition which unlocks every non pre order exclusive skin but not progression which cost 34 bucks i think
ebon trench
Actually. I got used to it I'm still ragin but it's the getting used to it
raw orbit
Dice should've raised the recoil instead and it would have been so much better than raising the ttk
solid hinge
For reference, I also hate the red outlines in overwatch.
ebon trench
I've had to respec a lot of guns
solid hinge
And the spotting in BF3
molten verge
@alpine fulcrum look at recent reviews first before deciding to buying it
alpine fulcrum
nice $20 usd
solid hinge
I actually like the icon changes
haughty pawn
spotting seems half broken ? or is this only me ?
solid hinge
I exclusively played HC in BF3
ebon trench
My mate loves the changes to swbf2
plush flume
Overwatch red outline is real shit
main grove
The close range icons are good I feel
ebon trench
He plays the shit out of it
main grove
Also being able to see their health helps
solid hinge
the amount of times I see a dead body that isnt actually a dead body is infuriating
molten verge
@alpine fulcrum check origin
solid hinge
I think the red icons doesn't so much fix visibility, as trivialise it.
molten verge
They released a new edition called Celebration edition
ebon trench
Oh jesus the back proners really fuck me over
haughty pawn
this @solid hinge
alpine fulcrum
@molten verge origin is 30 euro
main grove
I do think a damage nerd over range was needed just not to this scale
Reddit is still being cancer
As usual
ebon trench
Reddit will be cancer for a long while
It's like a nuke went off in the bfv subreddit tbh
open vigil
i think they should request a feedback from all players
like popping a message in game or somth
solid hinge
I agree wholeheartedly that players should never be completely impossible to see, but I also don't think we should get a red icon, an outline, a red circle and 15 clickbait arrows pointing to them.
nova cedar
the new ttk isnt even that bad
haughty pawn
get killed by prone campers with weird broken spines so many times 
nova cedar
everyone is just babyraging for no reason
solid hinge
when people can prone inside corpses and pretend to be dead then an icon is necessary imo
ebon trench
stuck plaza
@ebon trench who said they aren't right?
plush flume
Not wrong Flame