do you guys from DICE even playtest your own game?
#battlefield-legacy-titles
undone lily
gray saffron
dunno i don't work at dice
keen elm
Dice should add an option to carry like 20 liberators
stoic breach
I dont think the people in charge of the update playtested it
little raptor
I thought the Liberator ended up never being used
stoic breach
Because they would've realised that the PIAT is a better midrange weapon than any automatic now
Also AT Rifles and Bolt carbines
gray saffron
okay, tanks still don't like being pew'd at by at rifles. got sniped by a tank xD
keen elm
The liberator is totally a troll item the idea that the thing was ever meant to be legitimately used is inconceivable
gray saffron
didn't instantly get spotted by the people at shot at though
stoic breach
FG42 is shit now
Its complete garbage
You have to run towards enemies to use it as an SMG
dense bone
is it? or just relative to how good it was
undone lily
how does the ttk feel now
keen elm
I'm wondering if with the new changes the 1200 rpm mg42 is more viable now
solid hinge
people are struggling to kill people in the doorways of aerodrome hanger while being on the balcony with fg42
that straight up shouldnt be happening
stoic breach
Thats actually what it is now
undone lily
makes a 20 round LMG a 13 hit kill at range
stoic breach
Despite it using full power ammunition, it does piss damage
undone lily
👏
dense bone
its a game...
stoic breach
Yes
dense bone
can people stop saying "it uses this caliber ammo irl"
modern sedge
no
sturdy osprey
I hate this game i can't believe they went that hard on the guns
sturdy osprey
It sucks so much
dense bone
im sure its INSPIRED by its counterparts
but its still a game
you gotta balance like a game
stoic breach
FG42 is now a 670rpm SMG with LMG stats
Which cant even be used as an SMG because of the low rate of fire
modern sedge
but is it right for the fg-42 to have an smg damage model with a 20 rnd magazine
dense bone
otherwise mmgs would be 2 man'ed, same with vehicles
undone lily
can you tell me how is the FG42 balanced
modern sedge
and be in the lmg class
undone lily
lmao
stoic breach
FG42 needs to be at least 800rpm now to be remotely viable
undone lily
13 hit kill
undone lily
it has a 20 round mag lmfao
sturdy osprey
I hate it
coral fiber
The Grease Gun😍😍😍
modern sedge
cause balance wise, it is terrible
stoic breach
FG42 needed to be a 4 hit kill because it was a midrange melt weapon
dense bone
not saying its viable or not, just saying the whole "well irl it does this" is silly
stoic breach
But weapons in BFV actually are generally balanced based on their caliber
keen elm
Sometimes balancing goes wrong
especially when you never test it out yourself to see whether or not you've made a huge mistake and you need to revert it immediately
gray saffron
some guy in my server is convinced the ttk only changed for assault people xd
stoic breach
None of the LMGs are CQB weapons
Because thats not what the class is for
FG42 just performed the best at closer ranges
dense bone
recon is for range, yet we have model 8, and 2 carbines
keen elm
The fg42 has a full powered rifle cartridge that should be enough to tell them it isn't meant to act like an smg
stoic breach
Recon is for information gathering
sage lagoon
did they decrease the damage of AT mines?
stoic breach
Support is for suppression
sage lagoon
what the fuck
stoic breach
Suppression generally doesnt apply in CQB
stoic breach
But the FG42 isnt a good CQB weapon
dense bone
crazier idea, not everything has to be viable or variations of eachother
stoic breach
Its a terrible CQB weapon
They didnt increase the rate of fire to match the nerfed damage
So its completely unviable now
gray saffron
support also gievs ammo and haz shotguns. he isn't solely for suppression ;D
sage lagoon
support is not for suppression
stoic breach
Shotgun support was a stupid design choice
sage lagoon
it's for resupply and building
stoic breach
The class isnt built for shotguns
undone lily
support class is stupid
keen elm
I mean, shotguns are support weapons, they fill a role normal rifles can't
gray saffron
i feel dirty with the at rifle. it's still good. better now that most people can't instant kill you
keen elm
They're meant for insane cqc power
stoic breach
Look at BF1, shotgun assault made sense
gray saffron
hell, i can even run around hipfiring it and they won't take me down.
regal sapphire
Lmao no
stoic breach
Because assaults were supposed to run towards enemies
regal sapphire
Shotguns in BF1 were too good
stoic breach
They were worse in BF1
stoic breach
They were just popular
Nah, assault should be Shotgun, SAR and SMG
DMR support sucks as well
gray saffron
yet the at rifle does puny damage against tanks, support gets a torch that burns down tanks hard
sage lagoon
i think shotgun goes well with the support and vehicle repair role
anyway did they really decrease the damage of AT mines?
stoic breach
Support shotgun doesnt fit at all, you dont want to repair and then shotgun someone who comes close, you want an LMG to stop people from getting close to begin with
icy sluice
I like this patch
regal sapphire
Just met a hacker..
sage lagoon
if you are stopping people from getting close, you aren't repairing
keen elm
Dice should just open some community testing program
stoic breach
LS26 isnt even a CQB LMG
sage lagoon
it's better to be able to quickly get rid of an enemy that got too close than to sit there shooting when a tank need repairs
stoic breach
It has the best ADS accuracy for midrange
Its just really dumb, this update is basically the epitome of DICE not knowing how to balance weapons properly
keen elm
If they just nerfed some guns, that's all they needed to do.
keen elm
Ig so
stoic breach
So they might as well try to make every weapon equal
Now you cant reliably kill targets at midrange with ARs, which is what they were designed for
keen elm
But there was no reason freaking everyone out about changing the ENTIRE ttk system just cuz. And then in doing so screwed up a bunch of beloved weapons
stoic breach
Meanwhile bolt carbines havent been nerfed, so they're the best weapons in the game right now
gray saffron
they're not making every gun equal
stoic breach
But they havent balanced weapons for their intended roles either
Or have gone too far with it
gray saffron
not really
stoic breach
Thompson and Suomi didnt need to have a maximum BTK of 13, all they needed was more spread
And maybe if Suomi didnt get buffed for 2 patches in a row
It wouldnt have become so strong
Suomi and Thompson were only meta because its better to melt people with an SMG than to use a mediocre AR-lite
keen elm
Yeah, mmgs for example
Bipod for greater long ranged power
13 shots to kill from range with mg42
stoic breach
Yeah, all the weapon balance change does is highlight the problems with map design and engagement distance
The new TTK suits maps like Marita more
For CQB
Over maps like Rotterdam and Arras
They've just cut down the range of weapons without thinking how much more powerful snipers would become at closer distances
icy sluice
tbh, I don't want this reverted
stoic breach
sinful compass
O boi
keen elm
Ok
soft storm
Blocked
keen elm
Gonna add context to that
soft storm
Blocking everyone who likes these changes
stoic breach
Literally all the new TTK change did was indirectly buff snipers
gray saffron
i'd like to remind that it's 13 bullets at 100 meters. 100 METERS. your enemies are like pixels at that range. not a sane mmgers shoots at people like that, as its just asking to be headshotted by a recon
icy sluice
If you're being serious (seeing how you talk, I assume you are), congratulations on blocking a moderator lol
stoic breach
That wasnt even a necessary change
soft storm
Do you actually think I block based on this lmao
stoic breach
The only reason people were getting "sniped" by SMGs was if they were running around in the open or if they couldnt regen health fast enough
icy sluice
You think I am being serious? I know you meme lol
soft storm
Blocked
stoic breach
Do people honestly think that SMG sniping is a viable tactic
terse lintel
icy sluice
banned
stoic breach
Its a massive waste of ammo
soft storm
REPORTED TO DISCORD TRUST AND SAFETY TEAM
terse lintel
"safety"
keen elm
Honestly yeah if anything the smg range nerfs was completely justified
terse lintel
ye, that ban cut real deep 
stoic breach
All the SMG nerfs did was fuck up medic's primary weapon class
"SMGs are supposed to only be good at CQB"
keen elm
Well I hope they give them some perks
stoic breach
That makes bolt carbines better at everything else
SMGs are only good up to 15m now
keen elm
But I do like the smgs acting like smgs, as in automatic pistols
stoic breach
After that, bolt carbine time
gray saffron
smgs aren't nerfed atm though. i feel they're rebalanced. even almost buffed. their recoil is SUPER low. even on the thompson. it's easy to land your bullets now.
soft storm
SMG’s are supposed to be CQB focused but not be absolutely doo doo at mid range
gray saffron
you can still delete people at short range. you can still accurately kill people at mid.
soft storm
Did they actually buff recoil on them cause they did not mention those changes
stoic breach
If they wanted to gimp SMGs so much, they should've given them to assault and given medics Assault Rifles
I havent even launched the game
gray saffron
yes. the recoil is almost compeltely gone it feels like
stoic breach
I dont have much motivation to play it
soft storm
Hmmm
compact oxide
@icy sluice how to you compare the new ttk to bf1?
gray saffron
it's no longer like shooting a water hose when you're adsing
icy sluice
@compact oxide They feel similar, I did have 200 hours in BF1 so...
stoic breach
Oh yeah, stats arent everything, sorry I forgot, let me launch the game and feel like shit for playing Apexfield V
compact oxide
Ah fair
icy sluice
Honestly, this feels in-line with the other Battlefield games minus Hardline
stoic breach
Actually no, I can just run around with an AT Rifle and be invincible at 30m
compact oxide
BF1 is my fav so I'm hoping BFV can win me back
stoic breach
Or a bolt carbine and be able to out-heal damage from enemies at 30m
gray saffron
i much rather shoot at enemies and hit my targets reliably, than shoot at enemies and pray to rng gods that my water hose hits. which was pretty much how it was 5.2 at mid range. now if you can aim, you can kill muhc more reliable at mid range with a tommygun
icy sluice
My SPM and KD went up with this patch lmao
soft storm
Figures
gray saffron
i haven't had any unfair or frustrated kills so far in 5.2. everything feels a lot more fair. if i didn't kill a guy, it was because my aim was shit. not because my gun's recoil fucked me over or anything ;D
icy sluice
I had one, but then again I was getting shot by like 3 mfs
stoic breach
I forgot about that
Because of the low damage, you cant reliably kill multiple people anymore
icy sluice
untrue
stoic breach
You have to accurately laser people but its still a waste of ammo
terse lintel
I got behind enemy lines and killed 2 people with 1 mag before I was caught out 
icy sluice
I have had several multi-kills with the Sturmgewehr, the Tommy, the Bren (wasn't affected much)
dense bone
@terse lintel bf1 and bfv spms are not the same, i was top .1% for bf1 and that was at like 3.3k, i was at top 1% spm for bfv at 700
icy sluice
And they knew where I was
gray saffron
also, what a lot of people forget. YOU CAN LAND CRITICAL HITS. aka headshots which do massive damage. one bullet does not mean the same value each time. if you land a headshot with a fg42, you might even take the guy out midrange before he even knows that an fg42 is known as a memegun on reddit
icy sluice
It was a 'fair encounter'
gray saffron
and with lower recoil..more consistent headshots ;D
compact oxide
Agreed with nyphon, the Bf1 and BFV spm are VERY different
terse lintel
as in how
dense bone
bf1 just threw points at you
compact oxide
Had 2.7k in bf1 and 500 in bfv
dense bone
you spawned? heres 100 points
terse lintel
dense bone
lived for 10 seconds? another 100
gray saffron
you went afk? 50 points!
icy sluice
Enemy Flares are fucking brighter now
terse lintel
my teams never destroy the flares
dense bone
yea, bf1 just chucked spm at you
gray saffron
yeah it's a nice change. and they increased the hitboxes 😄
terse lintel
@icy sluice bright green ? my teams flares show up as blue
compact oxide
The squad boosters also doubled your spm
gray saffron
so it's easier to shoot flares
dense bone
every game should benefit headshots vs body
stoic breach
BFV is terrible for headshot weapons
Halo it makes sense cause enemies move slowly enough and have shields
terse lintel
nvm, bf1 SPM is at 917
dense bone
i hate that most games have going for the head have a minimal advantage
1 second to kill vs 1.25 or some shit like that
icy sluice
@terse lintel Oh so it's the colorblind settings
dense bone
who sees who first gameplay at its finest
terse lintel
@icy sluice probably, I havent changed my colorblind settings
remote edge
remote edge
i did that
terse lintel
restart the game
pick left alternative
right alternative says "not update" at the end
digital seal
theyknowurcheating so they broke your game 😉
stoic breach
🍆
terse lintel
I miss the times when rush was one of the most popular game modes
icy sluice
Also, here's something that you guys probably haven't noticed
terse lintel
rush in bf3/4 was fire
digital seal
BFBC2? lol
icy sluice
Player icons change their size based on their altitude relevant to you
remote edge
restarting did not fix it
icy sluice
So if someone is below you, their icon gets smaller
regal sapphire
I kinda enjoy the semi-autos pre patch more
digital seal
We always wanted that in BF3/BF4 where it showed elevation on the mini-map since it was always constant and din't know what levels people were on and BF4 is very vertical in comparison to past titles
regal sapphire
I like not having so much V rec
remote edge
pls dice next time play test the game
dense bone
im sure they have
icy sluice
Yeah, I really enjoy this update
dense bone
its nearly impossible to release something so complicated without problems, and if its something you dont agree with, doesnt mean its bad
fallow cypress
Holy crap I hate this weapon update
terse lintel
hes talking bout the menu glitch/bug
prime vessel
Man I had no idea it was gonna be this bad https://old.reddit.com/r/BattlefieldV/comments/e6ildg/look_the_the_state_of_the_fallschirmjägergewehr/
prime vessel
He emptied the whole mag into the guy
little raptor
oh boy, reddit posts
terse lintel
reddit circlejerk
little raptor
"it didnt happen to me yet, so heres someone else having it"
prime vessel
but... this is a discord for the subreddit
stoic breach
Who would actually want it to happen to them
crude belfry
is anybody else experiencing this "id_sparta" menu bug?
stoic breach
I would rather watch someone else suffer than have to experience it myself
dense bone
he landed like 9 shots on someone
little raptor
no i mean just, like, "here watch this one event over and over and get mad"
terse lintel
the reddit and discord community is very different from each other
prime vessel
Nah I just won't play
dense bone
if that gun is not supposed to be used at that range, what did he expect?
coral fiber
Reddit is bad
Discord is just less bad
stoic breach
That is the range the gun was originally designed for
FG42 is literally not a CQB weapon
fallow cypress
Exactly
prime vessel
Is he supposed to be inside his armpit to not fire confetti bullets?
dense bone
idk what its originally for irl or in game
little raptor
yeah, this is pissing me off-- I'm seeing everyone flip the fuck out after seeing the patch and just deciding NOT to change their play styles
prime vessel
it seems ridiculous
stoic breach
In game
little raptor
and then suddenly "why does everything suck now"
stoic breach
Yes dont use your favourite gun 😩😩
dense bone
my favorite is determined by how effective it is, and how fun
little raptor
Good chance to both use the gun differently, and use OTHER guns
gray saffron
ir eally dislike that outrage mentality. i'm scared what they'll do if their bus ends up getting a delay or something unexpected happens ;D
stoic breach
Nice
prime vessel
I don't know about you but if a guy is on the other side of the objective, it shouldn't take half a mag to kill him
dense bone
i dont have this random attachment to guns irl to game
tough tendon
guys im recon rank 6 now but ive unlocked nothing not even the flare gun from rank 4
little raptor
You can read the patch notes
gray saffron
tried restarting the game, checking armory or whatnot?
echo turtle
The reward giver seems to be having a tough time giving out rank rewards
little raptor
they explicitly say what weapon has been adjusted at what specific range
dense bone
people picking shit that is said to not be for a certain range, then crying when that gun sucks at that range, are morons
tough tendon
oof i want me flare gun
echo turtle
If they don't appear talk to EA support, they might be able to give you what you're being given
little raptor
Bolt Actions were left almost exactly as is
prime vessel
I mean, he's inside the same building as the other guy, just looking across the walkways
tough tendon
well this is fun
prime vessel
Doesn;t that seem unreasonable to you?
regal sapphire
Nah
dense bone
not when they specifically said its not for that range...
dense bone
no one goes shotgun hunting at 30m and complains when they dont get a kill
soft storm
Michelle Obama
regal sapphire
Obama was here earlier
stoic breach
Its not good at close range either though
empty viper
because no one expects a shotgun to kill at that range
regal sapphire
Wtf?
stoic breach
Wtf
prime vessel
lol
regal sapphire
Of course all guns have to be viable
stoic breach
Thats literally the point of weapon balance
dense bone
its wishful thinking
regal sapphire
No, it's reality
dense bone
this is a casual game
stoic breach
Its not wishful thinking
dense bone
theres even less reason for all guns to be viable
prime vessel
Wasn't the point of the update to try and make room for more weapon viability
regal sapphire
This is now a casual game*
tough tendon
ive literally not unlocked anything from recon?????
dense bone
csgo doesnt even have all guns viable
stoic breach
It was always a casual game
dense bone
xD
soft storm
Guys the pistols and LMG’s have a similar TTK to SWBF2 now
regal sapphire
Yeah but CSGO sucks lol
stoic breach
Which is why its good for every weapon to be viable
In comp, not every weapon has to be viable
dense bone
typical response
prime vessel
It is a casual game. and causal games are less fun when everything is nerfed into confetti cannons
dense bone
if everything is nerfed, does that mean they were nerfed?
stoic breach
Yes
dense bone
syndrome quote "if everyone is super, no one is"
regal sapphire
I don't even mind the changes that much, I actually find the semi-autos to be more fun, because they have less recoil
stoic breach
Because Bolt Carbines are now the best midrange weapons
prime vessel
Doesn't mean it doesn't look dumb compared to the old TTK
when guns felt lethal and quick to kill
midnight nimbus
yeah, the MAB is just a better StG 44 now
stoic breach
Bolt carbines, Bolt actions and AT Rifles would've been nerfed as well
midnight nimbus
for whatever reason
empty viper
now guns just feel boring to use
midnight nimbus
MP 34 is rly top tier too
regal sapphire
What's the point of the AG-42 anymore either
dense bone
its day 1, nothing id gonna be perfectly balance
midnight nimbus
AG m/42 is a flat out superior MAS-44
dense bone
if things arent where they want they will change it
regal sapphire
Wtf? No?
midnight nimbus
yeah
regal sapphire
No the MAS-44 kills alot faster
regal sapphire
I was just using it
soft storm
I saw somebody using a jittermod on a controller while using the M1 carbine and it’s literally a better AR
regal sapphire
I enjoyed the MAS alot more than the AG-42
stoic breach
Lol, pistol balance SARs
prime vessel
If the bolt actions were nerfed at all they would be completely useless compared to now. Pistol carbines and DMRs were the only good recon weapons
gray saffron
agm is definitely slower than mas
regal sapphire
I think the stat is bugged
stoic breach
Oh my god, its actually worse than I thought
dense bone
if theres 1 thing you dont argue with kht about, is stats
regal sapphire
Because it definetly feels like the AG-42 doesn't have a 300rpm
little raptor
KH i dont know what you're on, but they both have different RPMs
dense bone
feel doesnt matter compared to what it actually is
little raptor
AG is 300
midnight nimbus
oh and the MAS has more recoil
little raptor
Mas 44 is 360
midnight nimbus
UI is bugged, MAS actually has 300
little raptor
AG has more damage
regal sapphire
Is it?
little raptor
how olds this information?
regal sapphire
It feels like it fires faster than the AG
midnight nimbus
it's 300 in the files
little raptor
when did you check
midnight nimbus
this morning, after the patch
prime vessel
I just feel like there were myriad other technical issues that needed addressing, and to upend the balance this late in the game's life cycle is a wtf move
midnight nimbus
299* RPM, actually
dense bone
are you suggesting the game was balanced before?
prime vessel
No one was complaining about the TTK, to my knowledge
it was in a decent, if not perfect spot
midnight nimbus
yeah, BFV before the patch had pretty good weapon balance as far as FPS games go
gray saffron
just not for range imo
dense bone
basically the game had 90% of guns viable at all sorts of ranges, with few guns that worked exceptionally in certain aspects
prime vessel
you had good guns, great guns, underpowered ones, but it wasn;t like MW where all but one or two are worth investing into
midnight nimbus
i don't think any of the automatic guns were that much of a standout
you had several that were pretty good
dense bone
i think thats the main problem, there wasnt definitive ranges for guns, and bolts were just blown to shit by just about anything
prime vessel
Jungle Carbine was the best bolt action
midnight nimbus
oh yeah, bolts sucked ig
gray saffron
yeah. and that's what they'r epretty much fixing with this patch. recons are a threat now. they are dominating ranges now. as they should be.
midnight nimbus
but that was one big glaring issue
dense bone
^
midnight nimbus
vs the plethora of issues this creates
regal sapphire
They could've fixed that without nerfing everything else
midnight nimbus
like the MP28 is now meme tier useless
dense bone
when 90% of things are good at recons ranges, you kinda have to nerf everything else...
midnight nimbus
actually every automatic over 600 RPM that's not the KE7 is pretty useless
dense bone
or at least change, which to benefit recons would be a nerf
prime vessel
I don't think the best way to accomplish that is turning everyone elses bullets into bubbles beyond pissing range
regal sapphire
How tf do I change to other classes in the range?
midnight nimbus
pick the slowest firing gun in each class to win
dense bone
@prime vessel maybe not, but we are just casual players in a casual game
prime vessel
Recon had good close range options with the pistol carbines
gray saffron
i mean. the game doesn't really feel that different to bf4 or 3 now. ttk is still crazy fast at cqc, but at range ofcourse takes longer. but instead of going for full RNG water hose spread 4 and 3 utilize they went with a much more aim focused solution. i like it.
prime vessel
Hell my favorite weapon was the trench carbine
dense bone
i PTFO so i doubt much will change for myself
dense bone
disgusting
little raptor
at CQC theres almost no difference in anything. at long ranges, now people will ACTUALLY move around the BF without being threatened by every dot under the sun
midnight nimbus
the <600RPM SMGs and LS26 were untouched up close
pretty big diff for everything else though
little raptor
in practice, no
gray saffron
yeah exactly, shamse. you can now actually do something if you get shot at from an crazy range. pre5.2 you were essentially just fucked and caused a lot of frustrating deaths if you just spawned.
midnight nimbus
4BTK to 5 up close is a pretty big difference
little raptor
because you cant aim the LS without a bipod lmao
midnight nimbus
i used it when it came out with 3x at range w no problem
it always had less recoil than KE7
little raptor
What, the LS? Or the FG?
regal sapphire
I like the recoil nerfs
midnight nimbus
LS
little raptor
You need to bipod the LS
gray saffron
eh, the ls/26 feels mweh now. i loved it pre5.2 but it's..i prefer fg42 now
regal sapphire
wtf
midnight nimbus
quantifiably had less recoil than the KE7
little raptor
you can't aim down sights with the LS, let me make sure we're talking about the same gun
midnight nimbus
and DICE still buffed it bc players complained
sturdy osprey
Seems like MGs are more played now
uncut scroll
Does anyone knows the download size on Origin for the recent patch?
sturdy osprey
Whats the best way to get xp for medic?
prime vessel
I dunno, I never used to get killed from that far out unless I was out in the open with no cover or exposing myself. And then you go medic, smoke, and flank
gray saffron
you ptfo hard, eugene
gray saffron
run to objective, annihilate people with smgs, revive fallen teammates. that's how you get the most exp ;D
sturdy osprey
And revive
gray saffron
stick with squad as well. each revive gives 200 exp
coral fiber
Fuck infantry lmfao
sturdy osprey
I have acknowledged that in tdms after i die the death timer has no value
No one cares
coral fiber
My fg 42 ahhhhhh why
sturdy osprey
Well i do
I save tickets
Thats literally the point
Freeman happened pilot
Freeman
regal sapphire
"Fuck infantry" lol
sturdy osprey
Medic is 30m away from saying that
gray saffron
pacific war is just two maps on cq and breakthrough
sooo if you want the pacific experience place that. if you want to see verything play cq
sturdy osprey
The fucking dickweed wouldn't give me no bandages either
coral fiber
Imma cry
regal sapphire
lmao
coral fiber
My fg 42 😭
solid hinge
Why is ls26 still 4btk
sturdy osprey
Kinda
solid hinge
Brutal weapon
Literally why would you ever use fg42 after this
This isn't a balancing patch
coral fiber
"Look how they massacred my boi"
solid hinge
sturdy osprey
You can only tell someone to get cancer on gamechat remember that
midnight nimbus
LS/26 WHOPS on the FG
dense bone
i assume they will balance going forward, but again, not everything has to be viable
midnight nimbus
it's hilarious
solid hinge
600rpm 4btk vs 670rpm 5btk
sturdy osprey
I told Freeman on Twitter he ruined the game
solid hinge
I thought the point of this was to make everything viable
midnight nimbus
the point was to make everyone a bullet sponge
sturdy osprey
Wel it doesn't feel like battlefield anymore
dense bone
ideally everything is viable and fills its own niche
but those are lofty expectations
solid hinge
the tank changes also sound frightening
dense bone
im not against perfect balance, why would i be, it only benefits me, but to expect it is silly imo
solid hinge
people have been saying they've been eating 1000kg bombs without much trouble
sturdy osprey
Only a few changes with the fliger fluast or Whatever is.
solid hinge
The balancing was already not bad though
dense bone
for most of the game since 90% of the guns were effective up to ridiculous ranges
hence how bolts were wack
dense bone
yea, but at least most guns dont challenge them easily now
sturdy osprey
Did those assholes extend the range of AA again?
icy sluice
Can't wait to blow up a Tiger with my repair tool 
hazy wasp
played 3 games today game felt fine
solid hinge
I'd have preferred a spread change than a damage change
hazy wasp
had no 'cheapo' deaths today either
icy sluice
Played 5 or 6, feels good
hazy wasp
comnbat range feels smoother
dense bone
ehh, i can only theory craft on how to balance, and really dont know what i prefer
stoic breach
Spread change would be vastly superior
dense bone
im just a consumer
sturdy osprey
It feels like AA is stronger and H E on the bmobers is weaker
hazy wasp
Also specifically used the edic to see the SMG's were for one game
dense bone
i think too many people (especially decent/casual players) think they know exactly what to do and that dice is just dumb
hazy wasp
they don;t cut through whole teas but they still rip enemies at their target ranges
whole teams rather
dense bone
not calling out anyone in specific here, just a general statement
hazy wasp
nah Nyph you nailed it
icy sluice
I do feel an improvement of the game, but seeing the reception, they'll probably remove the balance changes
solid hinge
I'm irritated at the essential lies they said
hazy wasp
if theyr evert it because of these shitbag crybabies I will be disappointed
stoic breach
Nothing has actually been achieved other than making players more bullet spongy at range
And ruining high rate of fire weapons
dense bone
that changes a lot...
sturdy osprey
They better because i don't even like spongebob like i use to
solid hinge
They straight up denied it was a ttk change
icy sluice
M1907 still feels good
formal valve
I like the new headshot sound
solid hinge
but this is literally a ttk change
dense bone
i think they are technically speaking with perfect aim and rof changes
stoic breach
M1907 still has its old recoil
formal valve
And he fact that they moved more US Cosmetics from Britain to USA
hazy wasp
they said they weren't doing a TTK change like they did last year
hazy wasp
instead they went to every individual weapon and changed its attributes
dense bone
its not the same TTK changes as last year
soft storm
I need Flim Flam 
stoic breach
720rpm with fast SMG damage model and 21 rounds in a mag with its old recoil
Thats pathetic
sturdy osprey
Well guns don't perform well anymore
solid hinge
They made half the guns more like other weapons
dense bone
last year was basically a univeral +1 btk and that was it
gray saffron
the last ttk change was just adding one extra bullet to every gun.
regal sapphire
Now it's even dumber imo
formal valve
Although weirdly they added the final Countdown torso for the US
stoic breach
+1BTK was shit as well
solid hinge
slap thompson damage model on fg42 and m1907
dense bone
a ttk isnt the same as the same ttk change
stoic breach
It made SLRs unviable
sturdy osprey
Like do we just have darts from a nerf gun
formal valve
I know the jacket is American, but it has Sten Mag pouch bag and British gear on top
sturdy osprey
It feels like that
solid hinge
The only things that got increased rates of fire were the pistol carbines afaik
and they got big damage decreases too
formal valve
Relax guys
hazy wasp
nobody would bat an eye
formal valve
I bet these changes will be out by next chapter
stoic breach
They would
sturdy osprey
What gud is a rate of fire when the bullet isn't really a bullet
formal valve
Mark my words
hazy wasp
and you know how we all know this? the pacific weapons have had this weapon balance since they launched
stoic breach
Because they would say it was like BF1 at launch
sturdy osprey
It's a bb
formal valve
They’ll probably revert them within he next month or two
icy sluice
Possibly, although I prefer them this way
sturdy osprey
Well guess what
coral fiber
The tiger is fucking amazing
dense bone
i bet most people complaining are essentially complaining about change and are sensitive
solid hinge
no one from dice has said anything on reddit in 14 hours
icy sluice
Even then it only took one week last time
sturdy osprey
It's Christmas noob changes
stoic breach
The pacific weapons werent balanced this way, the Type 100 just launched with a really bad damage model
little raptor
probably cause they're reading it all lol
gray saffron
if it goes back to pre5.2 i'll be playing the game a lot less it hink. it feels a lot less frustrating atm
sturdy osprey
Called it
icy sluice
I do feel more teamwork being applied
little raptor
these changes feel so good
stoic breach
Yeah about that
icy sluice
I've been revived more, people are sticking closer together...
stoic breach
This update prioritises ganking
dense bone
its been less than a day of change, theres very little VIABLE criticism to have been formed yet
sturdy osprey
Well name 1,000 people that like this TTK
little raptor
i mean, isnt that good?
hazy wasp
DICE have been great in ters of comunication to a community that has a very vocal part of it that are fucking assholes
stoic breach
People sticking together is fine until it becomes the only reliable way to kill people
solid hinge
from pure statistical standpoint it seems to prioritise zerging
dense bone
considering bfv is a 64 player game that makes sense...
hazy wasp
eh not really
solid hinge
1 vs 2ing has taken a hit
gray saffron
you can still insta kill squads as a solo player. just use a tommygun with a 50 mag and aim for the head ;D
stoic breach
Yes because fuck player choice right
hazy wasp
Battlefield isn;t a lone wolf game
stoic breach
Why shouldnt it be
icy sluice
Battlefield was never a lone wolf game
solid hinge
Tell that to my teammates
hazy wasp
you can try be one but you will always be at a disadvantage
stoic breach
Why wouldnt you be able to play your way in a game you paid for
A casual game, no less
hazy wasp
if you do the bare minimum of squad play you will stomp teams
sturdy osprey
Fuck dice and all who in habit there. We want the other shit back with the bf1 headshot sound. I could live with that. Just leave the FF as is
solid hinge
Wouldnt have to play lone wolf if they stopped dying
dense bone
dont use the "i paid for this, it should be how i want it" mentality
solid hinge
modern sedge
You just have to use the right weapons
hazy wasp
@solid hinge with the spice
stoic breach
Its a casual game and you should be able to play your way
And whatever happened to the "sandbox"
dense bone
its a product, the people creating it should make what they want
modern sedge
Xbox randoms are either good or holy shit why are you going 0-11
stoic breach
I guess players just need to stick together or get fucked then
hazy wasp
its a Squad based casual game
dense bone
the result of that will be in sales
hazy wasp
its not call of duty
icy sluice
If anything, this makes the game more skill-based
stoic breach
Squad based casual game where you dont actually have to play in a squad
dense bone
if you dont want a game because it doesnt have what you want, find something else
solid hinge
Some people literally cant do anything other than sprint at the nearest objective
hazy wasp
and casual is a stretch because Battlefield is far more complex than most casual games
dense bone
bfv isnt a monopoly
solid hinge
It's more than slightly irritating
stoic breach
BFV is barely complex
stoic breach
I guess overcomplicated you can probably say
dense bone
bfv is way more complex than a lot of games
tough tendon
how do you change variable zeroing on pc?
hazy wasp
if you are playign conquest and a section of your team and the other team know what they are doing
Battlefield V becomes fucking chess
solid hinge
I love actual team games and co-op, but the main reason I main recon is for the spawn beacons because people are so unreliable
icy sluice
You need to have the specialization equipped @tough tendon
stoic breach
People will argue that BF is a more intelligent game than CoD and then defend all the artificial gameplay limitations
Cant health without medic
tough tendon
i do but whats the key
gray saffron
isn't pressing v if you got the spec?
icy sluice
I think... V?
stoic breach
Cant resupply without support
tough tendon
thanks
solid hinge
oh shit throwing knives are gonna be stronger
modern sedge
Katana medic time
dense bone
its not artificial, those are more complicated gameplay aspects...
sturdy osprey
Well i got use to the trench carbine my kar98 is still as was thank God for that.
But no more red the flares are a joke tbh. And it feels like I'm always getting the "YOU ARE SPOTTED " notice. Tell me how am I "spotted" on the runway?
stoic breach
BF isnt an intelligent or complex game, its a fucking participation award
dense bone
and that teamplay lacks in other games without that press e...
stoic breach
Barely complex
dense bone
hence its more complex
gray saffron
kunais, smoke grenades, katana..TRUE NINJA.
modern sedge
I mean it ain't arma or squad
hazy wasp
yeah, have you ever played Battlefield with people who have come fresh from soemthign like fortnite or CoD?
little raptor
anyone else not able to unlock the kunai?
stoic breach
Teamplay isnt about being forced to gank, its about individuals being able to accomplish goals together
hazy wasp
its like explaining relativity to them before they stop getting mad
regal sapphire
Is there any LMG that isn't shit now?
stoic breach
Squads sticking together in CoD are much more effective than in Battlefield
gray saffron
BREN
stoic breach
Because every player has equal power
gray saffron
bren is bien
dense bone
thats not how teamplay works
stoic breach
The only thing BF does thats different is squad spawning
solid hinge
@regal sapphire ls26
dense bone
hell just look at OW
solid hinge
still is a 4btk up close
little raptor
LS26 has become the new FG42, according to the community
solid hinge
for some reason
stoic breach
Overwatch is too reliant on teamplay
dense bone
...
stoic breach
Even for a Moba, its super restrictive
hazy wasp
Razor sorry dude I'm getting the feeling you are beign contrarian for the sake of it, sorry if im picking that up wrong but Battlefield is a very effective game to demonstrate teamplay, it might not be as technical as a Siege or Squad but it is fundaentally part of the game to be played well, even if it seems simple, its its simplicity that makes it so effective
solid hinge
tfw sturm 1-5 is 6btk and ls26 is 4btk
dense bone
my god people still say that?
sturdy osprey
Dude i challenge you to play one round of TDM. Not using a squad of friends. If you aren't to the point of breaking the controller or keyboard you must be on weed.
solid hinge
what's the point of shooting faster if you do less damage
stoic breach
Right, how did I contradict myself
dense bone
@formal valve people are sensitive and scared of change
formal valve
I hated it a few hours ago
modern sedge
Other than that, its okay
formal valve
But it’s getting better for me
modern sedge
Some other stuff too
hazy wasp
@solid hinge Again I will use this as an example to back up teamplay argument, we were a 2 person squad and we managed to take 2 objectives, get double figures in kills and only got taken out when to that guys credit that tank driver nuked us
sturdy osprey
Aylu ikr
dense bone
@formal valve Ow is full of press [button] for teamplay, and you say it relies too heavily on teamplay, yet you say press E for teamplay isnt teamplay
little raptor
new BF theme is lit
hazy wasp
if either of us were lone wolfing there we'd of gotten half the kills and no objective
modern sedge
I need dudes to play battlefield with
hazy wasp
it doesn;t need to be
dense bone
its still deeper and more complex than games MISSING THOSE FEATURES
stoic breach
I'm not saying it needs to be complex
dense bone
how is that a fucking hard concept?
hazy wasp
its in the moment adaptability over pre planning
I see where youa re coming from but it is still there
coral fiber
Holy shit tanks are actually fun for once
dense bone
its a fact its more complex
no one is saying its super complex
its just MORE COMPLEx
stoic breach
Adaptability that only applies if you have the right player near you
sage lagoon
type 100 is actually op wtf
sturdy osprey
Srry but battlefield is going in the shitter slowly. EA needs to delvop new employees
hazy wasp
which if you are playing as a squad who understand even the basics of battlefield, you will
midnight nimbus
> OW
gray saffron
i think bfv is becoming better 😦
sage lagoon
i'm using it right now and it's actually crazy lethal
hazy wasp
nevermind actual comm ready teammates
sturdy osprey
Not rn
sage lagoon
like to the point where i rarly die while exerting no effort
rancid jetty
anyone else get booted offline when playing bf5 pc
small maple
Why isn't the FG42 an assault class weapon? It was used by paratroopers and did not even have a bipod for sustained fire.
modern sedge
It once was good
dense bone
BRENdan
prime pine
I did. Pre patch
dense bone
ls 26 or whatever its called
modern sedge
I'm gonna love destroying LMGs with my unchanged arisaka
modern sedge
little raptor
THIS HAS BEEN AN OPTION THIS WHOLE TIME!?
stoic breach
Thats been there since BF1
prime pine
Yes
stoic breach
Yeah no idea why its not
sturdy osprey
Was dice under the influence of T H C when they made these changes oh wait weed doesn't make you contradict your work.
Weed makes you chill and have cravings.
little raptor
Eugene, keep playing it a bit more
dense bone
then play MW
sage lagoon
there is a video by forgotten videogames that can explain why the fg 42 is a support weapon
sturdy osprey
I have but I'm still unsatisfied
stoic breach
Its actually fun
sage lagoon
in one sentence in fact
stoic breach
I feel like I've cleansed myself of BFV since playing it
sturdy osprey
MGs are fucking me over hardcore
stoic breach
The only thing that could make everything better was if BF1 became active again
stoic breach
Cause then I could just play that instead
sage lagoon
The FG 42 is supposed to be a paratrooper weapon that can fill the roll of the Kar 98 mouser and the MG 42
sturdy osprey
It feels like dice is in a loop with these changes
dense bone
cant believe OHK afk kills are still a thing in games
stoic breach
If the MW maps were in BFV, nobody would complain about them, other than them being too small
sage lagoon
^
stoic breach
MW just highlights the problems with map design that isnt completely tight and executed perfectly
MW maps would function the same way BF maps do if they were in BF
sage lagoon
that is why the FG 42 in a support weapon, not an assault weapon
dense bone
MW gunplay is solid, but everything else during the beta was questionable
stoic breach
MW just needs mechanical and map fixes and it would be close to perfect
tall finch
Holy shit I might stop playing BF
stoic breach
BFV needs complete mechanical and map overhauls for it to be better
swift geode
so you get points for shooting flares finally
tall finch
This update just killed it
swift geode
makes me happy
sturdy osprey
Well what doesn't make sense is they game certain specs more ammo. But light bolt or Whatever is still 20 a round.
Like am i just supposed to 4 shot everything as a medic
stoic breach
MW's maps have problems with too many random sightlines, a problem BF has had for years
sturdy osprey
Gave*
dense bone
even though i have 150 hours on bfv, and like 20 on mw, id rather keep playing bfv
stoic breach
MW's maps only feel bad in comparison because the gunplay is so tight
I have like 580 hours in BFV, I've had more than my share
dense bone
got your monies worth
regal sapphire
Shotguns are so dumb now
dense bone
did you spend more than 60 bucks?
stoic breach
Yeah I spent $100 for digital lol, should've waited for sale
dense bone
580 hours is pennies per hours
modern sedge
Both games are mediocre without friends honestly
stoic breach
Cheapest you could get it in australia at release was $80 on disc
$100 is always the price of digital here
sturdy osprey
They can't keep players like this
little raptor
off topic, but i actually do not like the change they made to the armory
modern sedge
Theyll revert it back
little raptor
i liked seeing 12 big buttons for characters
modern sedge
some things
dense bone
they already made the sales, getting rid of people and getting them off servers costs is probably more beneficial to them
tall finch
What was the change?
modern sedge
At least
tall finch
To the armory?
icy sluice
They probably will, although I wouldn't like if it will be reverted
sturdy osprey
Yes but doing the same loop is fucking annoying
sage lagoon
shotguns need rebuff
dense bone
its been 1 day of a change, balances will likely come
you guys act like dice said "this is it"
hell, it hasnt even been 24 hours
yall need to calm down
stoic breach
The fact that theres so much outrage in less than 24 hours is telling
stoic breach
Best they could've hoped for was a lukewarm reception
dense bone
csgo would reduce the cost of 1 weapon and the community freaked out
stoic breach
Its not about hating change, its about changing shit that already worked
stoic breach
Its basically "if it aint broke, dont fix it" mentality
dense bone
especially the annoying vocal few
imo it didnt work, there werent definitive ranges and bolts were basically used to be cool because they were shit guns compared to other guns
stoic breach
They made SMGs and ARs worse at range, now people will stick together more because their weapons arent lethal enough on their own
There were definitive ranges
solid hinge
they havent mentioned the recoil changes they made either
stoic breach
Just because you can kill someone at range with a gun, doesnt mean its good at it
solid hinge
patch notes didnt have enough information
the patch notes didnt even mention the tank rehaul
stoic breach
SMG sniping came more down to people not being able to regen health properly
dense bone
the spread of effective range was weak
midnight nimbus
you don't need definitive ranges to have each gun have a niche
sturdy osprey
No I'm not happy because they fucked with the flares with the planes and it didn't say it in the patch notes or whatever. Plus like ny character is supposed to be a soldier aka human. Flesh and bones. Not someone that has shields like in halo or something.
If I'm getting hit just kill me. I don't notice any gud other then the FF being nerfed.
midnight nimbus
plus, ranges were pretty definitive before
dense bone
guns melted and overlapped into each other for what ranges are, and bolts just got fucked because there really was no reason to run them
autumn bane
cant believe they made stg and mab the same exact weapon
midnight nimbus
they didn't overlap though...
coral fiber
You can get crit hits with the repair tool
sturdy osprey
I ran them just fine man.
dense bone
lol how can you suggest that 50+ weapons can somehow not overlap
sturdy osprey
A bullet should feel like one
dense bone
if thats the case any bullet at just about any range should be lethal if landed in the right spot
its a game
sturdy osprey
Yea
Why is dice so afraid of giving us the real shit. And not a nerfe dart or whatever.
dense bone
because its not the game dice has ever made
sturdy osprey
Dice just makes virtual reality the same. They don't include any laws of physics. Just some math problems that's contradicted in every TTK.
It's lame af
dense bone
they have bullet travel and drop
sturdy osprey
Be real
dense bone
better than most games that just have hitscan
dense bone
it would be frustrating if they werent
sturdy osprey
That seems lazy
dense bone
i think its a bit of a stretch to call them lazy when other devs dont have what bf does
autumn bane
the patch prob feels way worse on console where ppl aim like potatoes to begin with
dense bone
massive mp battles, top of the line graphics/sound, destruction, bullet travel/drop, etc
sturdy osprey
Dude but it doesn't have what battlefield was
The destruction
That's what matters to me and others
dense bone
honestly, the only way to complain about dice it to compare it to itself
idk anyone else making this level of production/complex game
hazy wasp
Battlefield is a usually 64 player, land air and soemtiems sea combat sandbox game that has pretty extensive destruction, is graphically one of the best looking AAA shooters going, is on 3 platforms, has some form of bullet moderl in the game, has 4 classes to balance, multiple vehicle classes
im sure im missing stuff
dense bone
you look at MW and the only plus it really has over bfv is weapon customization...
sturdy osprey
Well tbh if we are being real one might contradict they're aim if they aren't getting damage like they was before.
It might make them feel less confident
hazy wasp
oh
stoic breach
MW has nice player individuality
hazy wasp
Battlefields call ins are done better too
dense bone
player individuality is a preference
hazy wasp
Also its all well on good until someone finds the call of duty god weapon and everyone uses it util its patched out
dense bone
some people like cod more, thats fine, doesnt mean its TECHNICALLY a better game
hazy wasp
Also CoD and abttlefield shouldn;t be compaired, outside of them being FPS military shooters they have very little in common
i only used it as an example of a shooter without soe of the teammplay elements built in earlier, nothing more
dense bone
does cod even have dynamic lighting yet?
sturdy osprey
Just saying man not a fan. It's a shitty vibe .
I'm not the only one.
native owl
the new update fucked the game up
stoic breach
It does
native owl
the game is now officially shitty
dense bone
finally, i know ww2 didnt
hazy wasp
CoD is based around kills fundamentally from the start, Battlefield is about territory control
stoic breach
And the dynamic lighting is just as shit as it is in BFV
sturdy osprey
Yea see^
dense bone
shit dynamic lighting >>>>>>>>>>> great static lighting
sturdy osprey
People aren't happy
midnight nimbus
MW has unpozzed health regen, enough for me
sage lagoon
the type 100 is actually dummy good
dense bone
and thats a preference
sage lagoon
The type 100 is actually op
gray saffron
@sturdy osprey they did mention the flare changes. even before thepatchnotes were released they mentioned they were changing flares overall
dense bone
i do miss domination
sturdy osprey
Dice doesn't know what balance is if they did they would have more players
hazy wasp
@sage lagoon The Type 100 now has my family held hostage, please send help
sage lagoon
it's stupid accurate and does a dumb amount of damage in a short time
stoic breach
Yeah Type 100 is now better than Thompson and Suomi
hazy wasp
nah Thompson rips due to the recoil reduction
gray saffron
thompson will rek type 100 at cqc yeah. at range type 100 might win. as it should be ;D
midnight nimbus
T100 is more accurate and does more damage
hazy wasp
light bolt fast reload
sturdy osprey
It feels like favoritism for some of the weaponry 
stoic breach
Nice
Also @dense bone static lighting is better than bad dynamic lighting because the lighting remains even throughout all situations
And you can bake static lighting to look good
dense bone
im talking on a technical aspect
stoic breach
BF just benefits from dynamic lighting because of the destruction
sturdy osprey
Btw the fact you can't have heavy load with a bayonet on the M1 garand is just fucking nonsense.
dense bone
ive been avoiding the preference aspect
stoic breach
On technical aspect, they can probably achieve the same effect
gray saffron
bf with static lighting wouldn't work.
dense bone
well thats the discussion ive been having, what is technically better
stoic breach
Dynamic lighting is good if player lighting stays good
gray saffron
player visibility is pretty fine now with the new player identification system. hell i even turned off rim lighting, so it's even more immersive now ;D
stoic breach
Technically, both can be good if they achieve good player and environment lighting
teal compass
Has the mg42 always have 50 bullets for it
stoic breach
Yes