why cant i send anything in #streams-and-videos
#battlefield-legacy-titles
manic sparrow
storm socket
they kept buffing the zk / suomi and its no surprise they became meta
icy sluice
@manic sparrow There's a cooldown on it
main grove
Every automatic in the game had the same 4-8btk ratio just a different distances
storm socket
autos were 4-6, smgs were 4-8
main grove
Even though you'd think so
manic sparrow
how long is the cooldown @icy sluice ?
storm socket
there was damage difference in ribey and m1907 though, you could accurately hit heads repeatedly with the rib, 1907 was a bodyshot spray gun
main grove
I would have maybe had ARs and LMGs go to 4/5-8btk
ashen ether
stg looking better?
main grove
And SMGs 5-10
ashen ether
44
prime pine
25-2 yay. I guess.
prime pine
Same ttk as the fg?
icy sluice
@manic sparrow I think it's 24 hours?
midnight nimbus
it's better ig
prime pine
What makes it so bad
manic sparrow
oki thanku
midnight nimbus
damage model, recoil
queen canopy
The BAR’s gonna be dead on arrival
main grove
It doesn't kill in an instant so it's bad
midnight nimbus
patch didn't touch recoil for a lot of guns
icy sluice
12 hours, sorry
midnight nimbus
BAR has pretty heavy recoil
main grove
Apparently
midnight nimbus
and shitty dmg model
prime pine
"Balanced"
midnight nimbus
the low fire mode isn't completely unusable ig
storm socket
have people datamined 5.2 already? @midnight nimbus
midnight nimbus
I have
prime pine
Keyword "balanced"
main grove
You're still doing fine though
haughty pawn
i like the patch so far,hope they keep it shrug
midnight nimbus
anyone who thinks this isn't a TTK nerf is on crack lmao
main grove
So I don't see why people are saying BF is dead
It is a TTK nerf
How is a TTK nerf bad
sonic rampart
haughty pawn
adjust,not that hard...
radiant pivot
some weapons feeling no good
sonic rampart
TTK is the Same
storm socket
ttk is not the same lol
shy badger
Oh yea tanking is now more balanced
terse lintel
JuSt AdApT 
shy badger
Tigers finally outclass valentines
sonic rampart
I havent played yet 
queen canopy
Because it’s infuriating to pump 10 rounds into a guy from an LMG intended to be used at range and not kill a guy
shy badger
And the assault guns have a reason to be used
midnight nimbus
https://www.twitch.tv/boccaboi/clip/WealthyPopularRavenPogChamp
this game is actually hilarious
sonic rampart
They said it was the Same but stats of guns are diff
main grove
So you're now utter shit because the damage changed for everyone
midnight nimbus
literally Apex Legends
main grove
Somehow
sturdy osprey
Why did they reduce the death meter?
storm socket
you dont seem to understand @main grove
people who are good at the game will still be good at the game
we also think the game just got worse though 🙂
main grove
What I see is that people are mad that it's easier to survive for some reason
echo turtle
If a weapon is killed by balanced then why use it?
echo turtle
If most of the weapons were killed why use them?
shy badger
My main complaint is how hard it is to win 1vx fights now
sturdy osprey
Yea its sorta dead at specific hours
storm socket
yeah good luck 1v3 now @shy badger
shy badger
Sure I can still win most of my 1v1s, but 1v2 or 3?
storm socket
good luck with that
sturdy osprey
I cant find a tdm rn
main grove
I never won 1v>1 fights anyway
sonic rampart
So you dont have enough ammo for flanks?
main grove
If they react
stoic breach
FG42 used to be able to handle 3 kills a mag
sturdy osprey
And i don't like frontlines
stoic breach
Now it can barely handle one
sturdy osprey
Arty is annoying af
main grove
Ok
midnight nimbus
went from 4-6 BTK to 5-13
sturdy osprey
This sucks
main grove
It has to be still in this
stoic breach
Literally the previous one is the ideal damage model lol
main grove
Balance
sturdy osprey
We need more people
stoic breach
Because its an LMG
sturdy osprey
All the players play the LTMs man
shy badger
ltm?
echo turtle
You get a reward for doing so
sturdy osprey
Limited time mode
shy badger
oh
main grove
I look at it from the receiving end of fire
main grove
You now don't get insta meltedn
shy badger
Glad they added it back
stoic breach
15m 4BTK would be nice as well
echo turtle
You had enough time to react before the patch I feel
sturdy osprey
But the weekly tow is garbage for me lol
echo turtle
I sure as hell did
tough tendon
anti material rifle my new favourite weapon
queen canopy
I had no problems with being melted because it generally made sense to me
icy sluice
Someone was able to fire the BAR in the Practice Range
icy sluice
Jesus that looks great
sturdy osprey
Assault rifles just became better
queen canopy
Stay in cover and don’t rush like an idiot
echo turtle
They get a video of it?
shy badger
Can you send the link raptor?
icy sluice
languid sinew
my game is preparing since 10 mins for the patch nice dice again
queen canopy
Now it doesn’t matter what you do because they have to pester you with bullets until you die
icy sluice
Type 97 also really good
shy badger
Wow
midnight nimbus
it's a bad KE7
shy badger
It has no recoil
sturdy osprey
Not a fan tbh i only think i like a few of the changes that fuck with the FF
echo turtle
How have they fucked with the FF?
icy sluice
You need to be more accurate with it is all
echo turtle
Oh
icy sluice
Damage is the same but the range is phenomenal now
sturdy osprey
Projectiles have to be spot on now
storm socket
flieger has more range, only 2 rockets now, higher reload speed, and requires more accuracy
total rebalance
sturdy osprey
^
echo turtle
That's pretty good
midnight nimbus
2 salvos
sturdy osprey
Jesus has saved us all on the battlefield
solid hinge
Daaaaamn
queen canopy
So much for don’t fly low lmao
solid hinge
This new update is hella good
untold beacon
Honest question, will Dice implement a team switch option? Or at least a server rebalancing option? Trying to avoid single sided servers
storm socket
the funniest part of the update is the revive trains being put back in the game
why after a year do they make that change
queen canopy
If someone’s on right now, test the fliegerfaust for me
stoic breach
solid hinge
@untold beacon dont think any of us work at dice sorry bud
languid sinew
to help the noobs
echo turtle
What happened to revives?
queen canopy
I need to know if I’m gonna be constantly harassed now
sturdy osprey
Gud luck you need to predict them now lol
storm socket
you no longer get your revive canceled if you die in the 5 second window after a revive @echo turtle
so you can revive, die, revive, infinitely
echo turtle
Oh
viscid crater
@untold beacon If you want to switch, go to someones profile on the opposite team and try to join their session.
solid hinge
Thats a good change tho
sturdy osprey
Cool
untold beacon
interesting
viscid crater
Works for me
sturdy osprey
But why did they reduce it?
solid hinge
So many times I die off a revive to some rusher but the medic gets him
Good change imo
untold beacon
@viscid crater Thanks for that, I really wish they implement server balancing like we had in bf4
echo turtle
That's pretty dumb imo, even though it would be funny as fuck to see someone get revived and then die infinitely
viscid crater
me too
sturdy osprey
Why did they reduce it?
queen canopy
I kinda wish they’d kept it so you could be revive blocked
sturdy osprey
-___-
queen canopy
Made the stakes a little higher
echo turtle
Ngl wish they allowed us to unequip the syringe
echo turtle
Don't need to feel like an ass if you can't revive your team
sturdy osprey
Can someone answer
languid sinew
that was one of the best changes ever
queen canopy
Yeah but then teammates see a medic not reviving and get mad
echo turtle
Ik
languid sinew
that you always have sryinges with medic
sturdy osprey
Why is the timer reduced again
storm socket
what timer @sturdy osprey
echo turtle
But I felt more comfortable in bf1 with a grenade launcher and bandages
sturdy osprey
Death
storm socket
huh?
solid hinge
Why not
sturdy osprey
To ger revived
queen canopy
Now you can have those AND a syringe lol
sturdy osprey
Get*
storm socket
your "time to be revived" shouldnt have changed
echo turtle
But I don't want to revive 
storm socket
it should still be 30 seconds when holding
queen canopy
Then just don’t lol
sturdy osprey
It's not
storm socket
really?
queen canopy
Or play a different class
echo turtle
But the medic has the smgs
sturdy osprey
It's going down faster ...
echo turtle
Think bringing back that best in game thing would be a good way to encourage revives and heals
sturdy osprey
This is bs
terse lintel
imagine playing medic and not "wanting" to revive
sturdy osprey
I wish dice would make up their fucking mind
echo turtle
Or a rewarding those for reviving the most people
terse lintel
I liked old revive mechanic better, you can either quick revive or revive people with full hp
sturdy osprey
I get the TTK changes yes. But why tge rest?
viscid crater
100 points per revive
echo turtle
With cc instead :/
sturdy osprey
The -___-
sturdy osprey
Not welcome at all
sturdy osprey
I need those points
prime pine
Just use heavy load garand now
echo turtle
As in speeding up the animation?
quasi aspen
Is it 3btk?
quasi aspen
🙀🙀🙀best gun?
sturdy osprey
😡
echo turtle
Eh, I think the revive animation is fine now
quasi aspen
if have quicker revive is good too
echo turtle
Keeps revive spam down so I don't see the same dude 1 second later
sturdy osprey
Do people actually ask for this?
icy sluice
fuck
echo turtle
5-10 seconds is more than enough time to reload your weapon and to check if that guy is actually dead
viscid crater
I killed a guy who was 30 and 0 in a tank and he just instantly got revived.
viscid crater
he had a cool GT though it was mortiest morty lol
quasi aspen
How do you get the japan lmg😻😻😻😻
icy sluice
Apparently they're in the firing range, there's a reddit video with someone playing with them
Only in the firing range tho
echo turtle
Did the firing range get the tow weapons yet?
shy badger
They weren't in the firing range for me
queen canopy
Are those new SMGs there?
shy badger
And I couldn't find the tow weapons either
queen canopy
Oof
echo turtle
sturdy osprey
I wish 0ber would leave me the fuck alone. Thats why i blocked him he never knows when to stop.
Like if you don't like my opinion then just give me an angry react like the rest of the internet that is pissed off.
I play this game alot.
sturdy osprey
Mod why is discord like this he shouldn't be able to see my messages and i don't want anything to do with this individual?
Like it's ruining my experience here? I .might just leave. I can't stand this hostility and disrespect
echo turtle
You could ignore him
bleak marlin
You guys know the BF2142 Trailer ? https://imgur.com/PXab99e
solid hinge
For starters^
echo turtle
By not tapping on the blocked messages
solid hinge
and also if you dont want people to disagree with your stuff why are u on the internet
echo turtle
As tempting as they may be just don't
sturdy osprey
Well it shouldn't be a thing man. It feels like invasion of privacy
Thats my argument here
sage lagoon
So, for those of you who have played the new patch, how is it?
echo turtle
That's the internet in a nutshell nowadays
sturdy osprey
Yea sad world
slate oak
At least it’s tamer than the 2000s. It wasn’t called the Wild West for nothing...
echo turtle
The wild west sounds fun
viscid crater
Reddit is a place of toxicity beyond measure
echo turtle
Especially with all those stories appearing
slate oak
Reddit seems tame to me
sage lagoon
It’s like people expect they can just have access to sites for free
shy badger
First impression are negative for me zir
viscid crater
Plenty of people there I'd love to hit with a mustang
sturdy osprey
I don't like being called dumb and it personally hurts my feelings. I don't call no one here. That.
And from my experience so far from playing the game i don't like.
vestal raven
#notMyTTK
sage lagoon
There is a price to pay for everything
shy badger
Some changes are good though
polar totem
Wait hold on I just got in here, whats going on
sage lagoon
I’m not calling anyone dumb
solid hinge
I mean like
shy badger
And performance was absolutely terrible at first but now it's a bit better
sturdy osprey
Not*
solid hinge
The M1 garand is broken right now it one shot kills me every game and it should be nerfed
Thats dumb
sage lagoon
I’m calling the idea of accessing free sites dumb
solid hinge
And anyone calling me dumb for saying that is justified in saying it
sage lagoon
Normal adds can’t pay for everything
slate oak
Art thou a capitalizt
echo turtle
Wish that the r word wasn't frowned upon
viscid crater
You must be low health when that happens
solid hinge
Which R word
slate oak
Rolo
sleek trail
the m1 garand 1 shot kills now?? whut
polar totem
I'm glad that it is frowned upon
solid hinge
@viscid crater It was a joke its not a real argument
sage lagoon
There are so many r words
echo turtle
The ruder version of dumb
solid hinge
But thats the type of stuff eugene says sometimes
sturdy osprey
It basically says you're IQ is less then the average to me.
solid hinge
So I just wanted to say that me personally wouldnt really pay attention to his balance talk
viscid crater
It's the internet I just assume you're serious
sturdy osprey
That's how i perceive it.
solid hinge
Yeah nw I understand
stuck plaza
@icy sluice do you have gameplay of the upcoming lmg?
sturdy osprey
This is why i don't go on reddit lol
polar totem
All I see in here is just a buncha arguing over maybe stupid shit i dunno
urban quartz
digital dragon
I want picked babys feet with some mayo
compact oxide
Yes raptor hacked the game and got the LMG early 
slate oak
I don’t like reddit because it looks like it was last update in 2004. The format is honestly crap
sturdy osprey
Dice is on it.
echo turtle
It tries to force the app on you if you're on mobile
solid hinge
The reddit app isnt too bad and tbf reddit is good for news
echo turtle
Yeah
viscid crater
The reddit community is shit
echo turtle
Depends on the subreddit you walk into
sturdy osprey
So i haven't noticed the annoying xbox freeze so far not trying to jix it
sage lagoon
Every community is shit
solid hinge
Reddit community is about the same as discord community tho
echo turtle
There's some that are really friendly
sturdy osprey
Where it shows your freind list
sage lagoon
Except the monster hunter world community
viscid crater
Because discord is made up of a lot of reddit users lol
sage lagoon
They are great
slate oak
Reddit should be deprecated. It’s been outdated for a very long time
polar totem
The monster hunter community is just great overall
echo turtle
And some that you don't want to poke with a ten inch pole that's been lit on fire
viscid crater
It's also very fickle, and made up of snoody people
polar totem
Unless you go to r/monsterhunterrage
sage lagoon
No stop
sturdy osprey
I'm friendly untill you take my plane spawn or give me high ping or call me dumb
polar totem
Its fun in there sometimes but my god fuck that place
sturdy osprey
Lol
sage lagoon
In the name of the law
compact oxide
STOP!
stoic breach
this has been a thrilling discussion
viscid crater
I sorted new on r/all and it was all dicks and shit lol like wut
compact oxide
You've violated the law!
sage lagoon
I’m friendly unless you insult my shotguns
sturdy osprey
Who?
slim summit
lol people are actually still playing this game?
sage lagoon
Yes
compact oxide
Lol no
viscid crater
What game?
compact oxide
I'm just here for the m e m e s
polar totem
Something that almost never happens but is fun when it does is honest knife fights
sturdy osprey
Who said a swear?
slim summit
😄
polar totem
Like when you run at someone with a knife and they pull out theirs as well
echo turtle
Ngl communities are much more interesting than the games
sage lagoon
Yes
polar totem
can't really be mad for losing because I respect it
slate oak
In the name of the Tsar!
sturdy osprey
It's just better here that's all I'm saying lol
sage lagoon
The community largely decides how good the game is
polar totem
however if you respond to a knife fight with spraying your MMG at me? screw you
echo turtle
I can find a game good even with a community's input
slate oak
Has the M1919A6 hipfire been nerfed yet
sage lagoon
The dev’s work is the first big factor, but once the game is out, the community can make it break a game
sage lagoon
A toxic community can easily ruin a game for many people
idle breach
just got home and experienced the patch by myself
dreamy plank
toxic devs that do the opposite of what the community wants can also ruin a game
and that's what is happening
idle breach
I don't like it.
sage lagoon
A kind community can easily make a game spread throughout the world like monster hunter
sturdy osprey
It might just be me but it personally feels like my own flares I'm getting that "YOU ARE SPOTTED " message.
slate oak
Your uneducated
dreamy plank
the gameplay has to be enjoyable
idle breach
I'll do okay, I literally use every gun and every class and every plane and vehicles so I'll just do finewhatever but
stuck plaza
@compact oxide nobody said he got it lmao, he himself said somebody on reddit got it
idle breach
fucking hell this patch would make winter noobs get more rekd
slate oak
I quite like the BFV gunplay. I haven’t played the new TTK update yet though
compact oxide
@stuck plaza I was trying to meme don't be mean
solid hinge
Damn I dont think the type99 got impacted by the changes, thing still wrecks at distance
echo turtle
Bolt rifles got indirectly buffed
sage lagoon
To be honest, they are actually trying to respond to complaints about the gameplay
stuck plaza
@compact oxide sorry there's just alot of dicks who love to correct people
dreamy plank
call of duty never had a problem retaining players
they have the fastest ttk in the business
echo turtle
Because their fanbase is much younger
idle breach
I don't think this is a "positive" change to new players who just have a stupid basic cosmetics and STG1-5, STEN, KE7, SMLE.
slate oak
Infinite Warfare wants to know your location
dreamy plank
you think dice would have learned something from the biggest blockbuster
compact oxide
COD is a pile of crap though 😛
slate oak
^
dreamy plank
that they wanted to outsell for 10 years
exotic inlet
echo turtle
And it's really easy to get a kids attention with explosions and gunfire
sage lagoon
For a long time now people have complained about the stupid range that all guns have in this game and the way that it makes snipers irrelevant
They are actually trying to fix it
dreamy plank
if you want to outsell cod maybe take some notes on what new players respond to
compact oxide
Bolts getting buffed is a big yes tbh
sturdy osprey
I'll drink to that
solid hinge
@sage lagoon how dare you say something so controversial yet so true
sage lagoon
It may not be in the right way, but you cannot deny that they are trying
slate oak
That new Modern Warfare looks alright, but the series started showing signs of trouble with MW3, and ended up taking a turn for the worst after Black Ops 2
compact oxide
It seems more people like the ttk than hate it from what I've seen tbh
coral fiber
Sp how's the update
echo turtle
New players are usually the ones that come in with the most complaints at times
sturdy osprey
Wait they are?
dreamy plank
wrong
sturdy osprey
Omgawed
opal pilot
is the springfield sniper rifle gonna be released ever?
sage lagoon
The devs now are not toxic, they are just misunderstood
sturdy osprey
Smg lol
stoic breach
Its just really great how snipers are completely uncontested past 30m now
echo turtle
I think that's just dice in general
stuck plaza
is that even a gun?
opal pilot
what happened to the fg 42
slate oak
People use the FG42?
sage lagoon
And I think part of it is the difficulty they have communicating their intentions to the community
sturdy osprey
Yea
opal pilot
TTK update is really bad
umbral fox
so what did they nerf now?
solid hinge
its not bad actually
stoic breach
They nerfed almost everything
dreamy plank
whoever is making the decisions fundamentally does not understand what makes games sell
sage lagoon
I’m sure they will fix it if it’s that bad
solid hinge
They nerfed fuckall
slate oak
I don’t think the live service model worked. It sounded good on paper but it’s implementation has been... interesting
sturdy osprey
Fun
solid hinge
They just changed dmg falloff
echo turtle
bolt action rifles
dreamy plank
as evidenced by call of duty outselling them every year
sage lagoon
It may take a couple weeks but I’m sure it’ll happen
stoic breach
Yes so now automatics suck past 20m
mossy ingot
So I dont know if anyone else knew but I just found out the lunge mine was replaced by a tier skip token?? Cause it wasnt ready in time. I was really looking forward to using that this week. But a tier skip token, to me anyway, seems rather useless.
solid hinge
@dreamy plank go play it then bye
slate oak
Infinite Warfare didn’t outsell BF1
shy badger
The repair torch does 10 damage per what seems like 0.5s to enemy tanks
echo turtle
You do realize that cod is more recognizable than Battlefield right?
stoic breach
Making medic bolt carbines dominate at ranges that automatics are supposed to
compact oxide
I love the armchair experts who always think they know better 
opal pilot
when are community games coming anybody knows?
versed notch
Infinite Warfare did outsell BF1 later on @slate oak
dreamy plank
if dice actually wanted to sell more games and be more accessible to new players then they would lower the ttk
echo turtle
And it's more common for parents to but their child cod than Battlefield
dreamy plank
because that's what new players have demonstrated they like
versed notch
BF1 had the sales at the beginning, cause of the Call of Duty Exosuit hate
dreamy plank
as evidenced by the success of cod
echo turtle
Mostly due to cod being more cartoonish
solid hinge
The reason cod sells is because its an established brand that casuals buy each year, its fast paced and accessible to every idiot on the planet. Its like the mcdonalds of the games industry
sage lagoon
Wait this week’s reward is a tier skip? As in the tow tier?
compact oxide
Yes, make battlefield a corner camping crapfest, sounds totally enjoyable
sage lagoon
It’s a casual game
dreamy plank
if the product was like shoving glass into your own eyes they wouldnt play
midnight nimbus
lmao the Grease Gun man
sage lagoon
I actually hate cod
solid hinge
to be honest i only played cod for the zombies
dreamy plank
it's enjoyable to new players
echo turtle
Black ops 4 gave you a kill if you actually got an assist lmao
stoic breach
yeah dude, who cares if CoD sells more, BF is clearly the more intellectual video game with clearly thought out designs and mechanics that people enjoy
solid hinge
other than that i played for the gold camos
stoic breach
dreamy plank
which is why new players have no problem with fast ttk
slate oak
The issue I see is that there isn’t enough changed in each game and that is just a rehash. The same game in a different skin, just like most sports games
compact oxide
@midnight nimbus hey man what's your view on the ttk?
mossy ingot
@sage lagoon yes. They removed it from the tree. The only good thing so far is that we get the bar next week
sturdy osprey
Talking about battlefield on the battlefield server
Bringing up another game on the same battlefield server 
🤣
echo turtle
CoD is a pop culture icon
sage lagoon
I tried going back to cod after a few years of not playing it and it’s absolutely horrible compared to what it used to be in my opinion
solid hinge
@dreamy plank because the TTK is so low in that game that everyone can do well. That alongside artificial secondary goals like skins etc that are usually just there for cool factor among your friend group whom also buy the game each year. Just because CoD is mass produced garbage made to the lowest common denominator doesnt mean every other game out there should be too
echo turtle
Battlefield isn't
dreamy plank
new players have no problem with fast ttk
idle breach
oh got it
echo turtle
Battlefield requires more brainpower
dreamy plank
so if dice wants to appeal to new players they would lower the ttk
solid hinge
im on the toilet
dreamy plank
instead they did the opposite
stuck plaza
dude i literally cannot kill anyone
idle breach
new players would benefit from fast ttk because cujrrent games trend is fast ttk fast aim twitch shooter for like a decade
prime pine
I went 51-10 with the jungle carbine. All because i survived fights i shouldnt have LOL. WHAT A JOKE.
stuck plaza
i waste both of my gun's magazines
stoic breach
Yeah and Battlefield is such an intellectual game compared to CoD
compact oxide
@dreamy plank almost like you're not actually right 
dreamy plank
dice said the update was for new players
sage lagoon
@mossy ingot I know they removed it, but they replaced it with a fucking tier skip?
sleek trail
grase gun is in the game?
slate oak
Call of Duty
Medal of Honor
stoic breach
With no skins or MTX
solid hinge
im bf5 tbf new players would not benefit from fast tkk
sage lagoon
That’s outrageous
solid hinge
Ttk*
prime pine
I also bonked half the enemy team and pistol whipped them
midnight nimbus
@compact oxide can't think of a shooter that sounds less enjoyable than BFV with this TTK
stoic breach
New players dont benefit from high TTK in BF either
compact oxide
RIP
dreamy plank
so if the update was for new players they would lower the ttk, because new players historically have been addicted to fast ttk
compact oxide
Haven't tried it then?
dreamy plank
as evidenced by cod
sturdy osprey
Yea I've noticed it well my trench carbine sucks now
sage lagoon
I’m literally already tier 40 TOW via gameplay alone there are no more fucking tiers to skip
solid hinge
@dreamy plank I see your point now and youre 100% right
echo turtle
It usually takes 3 months after the launch of a cod game for it to be thrown into the garbage by most players if the last couple of years have to say something
midnight nimbus
I might play it for the meme
I haven't played BFV in months, but this sounds so shitty I have to try it
compact oxide
It's almost like you listen to literally none of the other points people are making mr mole
sturdy osprey
Zir same
dreamy plank
its almost like dice doesnt look at the market and what new players enjoy
solid hinge
The new ttk sucks
compact oxide
It's almost like Battlefield shouldn't be a shitty COD clone
echo turtle
If the cycle has anything to say it'll grab you by the shoulders and scream at you
sleek trail
@midnight nimbus grease gun is in the game rn?
pastel lion
Almost like bfv doesn't want to be COD
sturdy osprey
Well now we know
solid hinge
Wait hold on
dreamy plank
if dice wanted new players
sturdy osprey
TTK is bad
dreamy plank
then they would emulate a game that has no problem retaining new players
but they did the opposite
solid hinge
@dreamy plank are you trying to say fast TTK would or would not benefit new players?
dreamy plank
wonder how that would work out
echo turtle
It's called originality
midnight nimbus
mole is right
sturdy osprey
Christmas noobs exclusive changes 😂
compact oxide
iF dICe wAnTS pLAyeRs thEYlL rIp oFF oTHer gAmES
midnight nimbus
new players benefit from fast TTK more
dreamy plank
it doesnt matter what would benefit new players, from a business perspective it's about getting new people to buy and play the games
which is the stated intention
solid hinge
Ah I see thats your point
midnight nimbus
and making gunplay more like CoD is what made BF a big franchise
dreamy plank
and new players have demonstrated they have no problem playing cod
shy badger
There were mainstream games with high TTK too
midnight nimbus
BF was niche before BF3
dreamy plank
which has fast ttk
echo turtle
And look at how that went during the reveal of bfv
solid hinge
Yeah youre right but in this case applying that model would kill the game
pastel lion
Bf4 had a higher ttk but like most things were viable at medium ranges. Smgs were limited to close range and the slower rof smgs could go out to longer range
midnight nimbus
anyone could pick up an assault rifle and delete an enemy
and it was fun
BF4 TTK isn't that high lmao
solid hinge
Fast TTK like cod would eliminate the core audience and replace it with the cod players who stop playing after a week and go back to cod
pastel lion
Higher than what the bf5 ttk was
compact oxide
Copying the COD gunplay is a horrendous idea for those people who actually want to have fun
midnight nimbus
no its not
pastel lion
Pre patch
dreamy plank
if dice wanted new players to enjoy their game they would copy the model that has been successful in getting new players hooked
compact oxide
and have a skill gap
sturdy osprey
This is bad tbh. Iike who has been in mid range engagements after this patch went live?
midnight nimbus
BFV TTK pre patch is higher
stoic breach
The core audience for BF was people who enjoyed low TTK
stoic breach
Nobody played BF for high TTK because Halo exists
solid hinge
@dreamy plank that just wouldnt work here
stoic breach
And is actually designed for high TTK
compact oxide
Core audience for BFV isn't the same tbh
dreamy plank
so they are making the changes with no one in mind
sturdy osprey
CQ seems to be fine. But anything further I'm getting destroyed
solid hinge
Youre ignoring all the context
stuck plaza
why does it feel like everybody kills me in 3 shots but i dump an entire mag on them and its 60 dmg?
midnight nimbus
your average AR in BFV:
10m 4BTK, 50m 5BTK, 6BTK
600RPM
your average AR in BF4:
50m 5BTK, 6BTK
770RPM
pastel lion
I'm gonna save judgement on the update till I get to play it later today
dreamy plank
I'm not saying I personally want cod ttk in battlefield, what I am saying, is if the stated intention is to get new players hooked
raising the ttk will not accomplish that
solid hinge
But it wouldnt get new players hooked
dreamy plank
as demonstrated by cod
sturdy osprey
It's marketing though
dreamy plank
i understand it wouldnt work
but if they wanted sales they would do the opposite of what they were doing
dreamy plank
you can though
delicate herald
Rebalancing the game isn’t what’s gonna bring new players on. It’s what’s going to keep them on once they get the game because of content (such as the pacific).
echo turtle
Cod has maps that are mostly cqc
idle breach
the only thing new players can rely on, is their aiming skill from former experience from other shooters. and they took away that with this patch
stoic breach
Battlefield's large maps are what fuck TTK up even more
idle breach
this is literally, a death sentence to new players.
echo turtle
Battlefield has large open maps with the idea of vehicles in mind
solid hinge
take Halo 4 for example, they did what youre saying dice should do to get new players “hooked”
stoic breach
The only reason people always end up using snipers is because maps are so big
idle breach
except "totally new to shooter games" people, all the "noobs" know is "how to shoot" they don't know which gun works in which range and which place is safe and etc etc
sturdy osprey
Wake battlefield v like battlefield 1 without the sweet spot. But still have the bfv death screen.
dreamy plank
halo didnt need to make changes
sturdy osprey
Make*
dreamy plank
it was already established
and well liked with the ttk it had
battlefield v is not well liked in general for a multitude of reasons
solid hinge
Battlefield doesnt need changes either
shy badger
Wasn't halo dying though?
stoic breach
The difference with Halo is that its designed with high TTK in mind
dreamy plank
debatable
stoic breach
BFV wasnt designed with high TTK
solid hinge
Reach was very popular
stoic breach
Halo 4 was unpopular because it added sprint by default and "killstreak" ordinance
dreamy plank
if they want to sell more games then maybe they should make changes that go towards what the mainstream likes
dreamy plank
which is brainless fast ttk
sturdy osprey
I agree
dreamy plank
instead they did the opposite
stoic breach
Halo 4's TTK wasnt any different to previous games
solid hinge
Well counterpoint: fortnite doesnt have fast tkk
echo turtle
Halo 4's multiplayer wasn't even made by 343
dreamy plank
good point
glad knot
Flute theme is absolutely enchanting
solid hinge
cod makes money for the same reason as mcdonalds
dreamy plank
so are you saying the update is for the fortnite kids
dreamy plank
that would make some sense actually
echo turtle
glad knot
????
idle breach
ow
solid hinge
This balance change was made for the betternment of the game
solid hinge
It wasnt made for some specific group outside the community
shy badger
Are you talking about "I vow to thee my country"
pastel lion
In the past 15 min you've used the word opposite 7 times @dreamy plank lol
shy badger
@glad knot
dreamy plank
yea it's called hammering in a point
with the appropriate language
i'm a politician
echo turtle
By repeating the same point over and over until it's true
pastel lion
Lol
stoic breach
All the 5.2 TTK did was make bolt actions better at ranges automatics are supposed to be able to deal with
solid hinge
kek
dreamy plank
it literally is true
glad knot
@shy badger Flute theme
- I vow thee my country
2.flute theme from end of the round pacific storm (Remake of apocalyspe in BF1 #2 theme)
echo turtle
It isn't
pastel lion
Use synonyms
stoic breach
If it was truly balanced, bolt actions would be nerfed as well
solid hinge
It isnt true
coral fiber
So wtf is happening
stoic breach
Same with bolt carbines and AT Rifles
echo turtle
Touch my bolt rifles, I dare you
glad knot
Flute theme 2.0 in Pacific storm i think
coral fiber
Is the update good or not?
shy badger
Oh ok
solid hinge
@coral fiber imo its great
idle breach
good for tryhards
dreamy plank
the military shooter audience likes low ttk as evidenced by cod
idle breach
terrible for noobs
sturdy osprey
🤔 🎄 this weeks tow
shy badger
I don't think I've heard that one yet
dreamy plank
so raising the ttk is not the way to get new military shooter players
echo turtle
Have you heard of Arma?
shy badger
But I did get to hear the new menu theme
solid hinge
@dreamy plank thats just false, cods audience isnt a military shooter audience
dreamy plank
because they dont like that
shy badger
It sounds great
glad knot
How do you guy use plane properly?.
I am so suck at plane
coral fiber
It's a bf 1942 theme but in bfv
coral fiber
1942
echo turtle
Cod is not a military fps, it's an fps
dreamy plank
it's from cod
gray saffron
I'd say the new ttk makes positioning and movement more. You no longer get insta sniped the moment you set first foot on open ground. Proners and campers lose by staying still vs a moving object
dreamy plank
what do kids play first
gray saffron
Matter*
solid hinge
Fortnite
shy badger
fortnite
solid hinge
Rainbow six
shy badger
Apex too
echo turtle
Fortnite
shy badger
haha
compact oxide
Fortnite
knotty ivy
Post scriptum
glad knot
M1 garand huge nerf
echo turtle
Roblox definitely
compact oxide
Minecraft?
glad knot
Why
shy badger
oh yea minecraft
glad knot
:(
dreamy plank
kids who have played a military shooter
knotty ivy
No offence post scriptum
dreamy plank
which one will they have played first
echo turtle
Cod isn't a military shooter
dreamy plank
cod or battlefield
sturdy osprey
Is this general?
compact oxide
COD is an arcade shooter lol
solid hinge
Kids arent the only demographic who plays games
dreamy plank
it has ads with military weapons
glad knot
From the mist a ship shape of ship is taking form
dreamy plank
close enough
solid hinge
you have no idea how game development works
dreamy plank
sure thing bro
solid hinge
and how to market
echo turtle
That's like calling the assassin's Creed games historical representations of the time
dreamy plank
is that why battlefield is being outsold
compact oxide
@sturdy osprey don't bring this poison topic to general plz
dreamy plank
and selling for 8 dollars
solid hinge
your whole point is how do we pull an audience away fro CoD for a quick influx of players for BF5
dreamy plank
maybe they should take some notes on the market
sturdy osprey
I wont
echo turtle
Because the core audience isn't under the age of 12
dreamy plank
the stated changes are for new players
gray saffron
Cqc feels hardly unchanged (imhur didn't like my vids size: https://twitter.com/Jer9Carver/status/1202590284745527296?s=09) it's still faced paced and frenzy and no where near the bullet sponge like apex.
sturdy osprey
Just got confused because we are off course...
stoic breach
The only reason people get insta sniped in open ground is because of map design
dreamy plank
which has fast ttk
compact oxide
I'd argue the reason BFV did crap is they copied COD too MUCH
solid hinge
And youre assuming in 2019 new players want call of duty styled gameplay
stoic breach
Thats always been a problem with Battlefield
solid hinge
Which is not true
dreamy plank
why did cod outsell battlefield then
stoic breach
The only way to "balance" open fields is just to make weapons shit at range
solid hinge
Because dice fucked up
dreamy plank
and why do people play it every day
glad knot
STG 44
solid hinge
They fucked up the marketing
dreamy plank
if they dont enjoy it
compact oxide
BFV was a bad COD clone with bad marketing and gimmicks
dreamy plank
why do they continue to play cod then
pulsar valve
Hasn't cod always outsold Battlefield
dreamy plank
yes
pulsar valve
Even cod vs BF1?
dreamy plank
and that's part of the point
sturdy osprey
Pilot have you got flieger fausted yet?
solid hinge
Stupid
glad knot
New COD mode with Vehicle feel like battlefield experience more than COD experience
midnight nimbus
> I'd argue the reason BFV did crap is they copied COD too MUCH
LOL WHAT
shy badger
Yea cod has pretty much always outsold bf
glad knot
But thats ok anyways
dreamy plank
people enjoy arcade gameplay with fast ttk, so if the intention is to get new players hooked then they would make the game have arcade gameplay and fast ttk
midnight nimbus
they couldn't have gone further from CoD
dreamy plank
the majority does though
midnight nimbus
BF3/4 were close to CoD in many aspects of infy play and people loved it
solid hinge
Not anymore
dreamy plank
as evidenced by sales
echo turtle
Bfv shot itself in the foot with marketing
solid hinge
fortnite made what
dreamy plank
which is the only thing that matters to a business
solid hinge
A billion
glad knot
They should add more weapon
solid hinge
If we want to play this game
dreamy plank
fortnite isnt a military shooter
solid hinge
Its as much of a military shooter as cod
dreamy plank
wrong
echo turtle
Not because they didn't copy cod
solid hinge
Actually not at all
hollow cliff
both are knickers
shy badger
Why is cod not a military shooter/
tawny spear
Cod is so arcdish that it's barely give me sense to play it
compact oxide
It's almost like your argument is that the only way to get sales is to copy another successful game. That doesn't work as people would just play the original it copied off unless it has a big advantage (see Fortnite vs PUBG)
stoic breach
The reason fortnite is so popular is because it looks like its made for kids and its free
Thats literally the only reason
compact oxide
Yup
solid hinge
if cod was still this absolute giant enterprise that makes insane amounts of money each year then why did they have to make this years game the same name as their first big hit
solid hinge
Clearly if cod was still doing well they wouldnt have to piggyback off from previous titles’ success
dreamy plank
look at the sales
echo turtle
The sales don't say shit if people don't enjoy the game
solid hinge
Cods been on a decline eversince ghosts
glad knot
I always look at minimap and it say i was spotted for like 1000 thousand time
compact oxide
Look guys calm down, the Mole is obviously much smarter than us all 🙄
tawny spear
Cod doesn't have destruction
echo turtle
"Huno 7 sold over 12 million copies"
"What do the reviews look like"
"Uh"
glad knot
Battlefield destruction is the best
tawny spear
Cod tanks feel like toy
glad knot
Well maybe not..
hollow cliff
the last few incarnations of cod have been a big dissapointment for me series turned to shit after modern warfare the 4th titlte
tawny spear
I like to call MW as Modern Campware
compact oxide
I'd say you're making one point over and over and refusing to take any criticism
tawny spear
Just get some claymores and you win the game
echo turtle
Your point was just "they sold more than Battlefield so therefore it's a better series"
compact oxide
And really it's a VERY tired argument
dreamy plank
i never said it was better
glad knot
Lets say both game have its own Good side and bad side
dreamy plank
get that through your head
echo turtle
Mate
glad knot
So we can end this shitty arguement
tawny spear
BF4 didn't sell as well as Ghosts
compact oxide
Lol no
tawny spear
But It's clearly better
compact oxide
I hate BFV
dreamy plank
i said on a business perspective
compact oxide
But you're wrong
dreamy plank
if they want new players
proven rock
Dice please
nocturne hill
proven rock
revert ttk
glad knot
Marketint perspective COD won
solid hinge
@dreamy plank took a gander at the sales, CoD WW2 sold only 20M copies, Blops4 sold only 15M copies. I wouldnt say they didnt stop making money since even ghosts sold 30M
dreamy plank
how many did battlefield sell
tawny spear
How many BF1 sell
solid hinge
BF1 sold 15M
echo turtle
From a business perspective dice has been doing well for themselves
solid hinge
Indeed
tawny spear
Wait what WW2 sold more than BF1?
glad knot
What
solid hinge
Its call of duty
compact oxide
Yeah, because it's got the COD name
solid hinge
They sell on brand alone
glad knot
How
echo turtle
WW2 was 2017 wasn't it?
shy badger
even infinite warfare sold more than bf1
compact oxide
COD mostly just sells on the brand
solid hinge
These are physical sales afaik
echo turtle
^
compact oxide
Hell infinite warfare yeah
glad knot
Headquarter in COD ww2 is shit. At first
solid hinge
So add like 5M to those numbers for digital sales
nocturne hill
thanks blackout
solid hinge
BF5 sold 7M copies btw
shy badger
np
solid hinge
tawny spear
DICE marketing is very gud
candid citrus
My FG42 😭
solid hinge
Thats what they get for going woke
compact oxide
That was physical though tbh
tawny spear
Just slaps a woman on the cover and call it WWII
echo turtle
Imo they make the best trailers
compact oxide
And nobody buys physical games
pastel lion
Now a lot of games can just be bought and downloaded digitally
solid hinge
But thats prolly gonna change with time
pastel lion
Even on console
tawny spear
Can they just remove the campaign so I can save some space
solid hinge
Cuz only boomers buy discs
compact oxide
Overall it sucked and marketing was terrible, but i'd say the vast majority was digital
shy badger
"nobody buys physical games", quickly looks at my physical copy of bfv and hides it
tawny spear
Nobody cares about the campaign
pastel lion
Lol
stoic breach
solid hinge
Btw I dont think that bf5 statistic is physical only
echo turtle
Used games are much cheaper than buying something off the online store
tawny spear
If DICE let me install the campaign standalone
solid hinge
Cuz it came from dice
pastel lion
I remember buying doom in Germany bc it was cheap
pastel lion
If dice let me uninstall the campaign standalone, I'd be happy
stuck plaza
WHY DOES IT TAKE AN ENTIRE THOMPSON MAG TO KILL AN ENEMY
solid hinge
Cuz its an smg
tawny spear
Everyone know that Battlefield players don't care about campaigns
stuck plaza
???
echo turtle
Because its damage was brought down
solid hinge
Ur not supposed to shoot at insane ranges
dreamy plank
because dice dont play the game
hollow cliff
cos ure not shooting him in the head
stuck plaza
@solid hinge it was point blank
solid hinge
@stuck plaza doubt
buoyant fossil
@stuck plaza vid?
stuck plaza
@solid hinge yea im lying
echo turtle
You have to test a game to make sure it's good to go
sand smelt
Just logged onto the game and what the hell has happened.. Why does it say ID_SPARTA about just everywhere on my screen?
stoic breach
Thompson is 5-13BTK now so past 10m its gonna suck
coral fiber
Weapons to avoid:
- The Suomi
- Thompson
- FG-42
TBC...
buoyant fossil
UI Bug
stuck plaza
@sand smelt known bug its all over reddit
solid hinge
@stuck plaza thanks for being honest
tawny spear
Anyway BFV on PS Store on black friday was very cheap
shy badger
@sand smelt Update your ui
It should give you the option between 2 choices when you launch the game, choose the left one
sand smelt
ok
stuck plaza
@solid hinge i hope you understand my sarcasm, if you dont, it was point blank
sand smelt
I chose the left one
shy badger
If it doesn't work, restart origin+ game
stuck plaza
cause some people are actually shilling on the new update
sand smelt
ok
buoyant fossil
Westie is the biggest shill
echo turtle
Westie bounces back and forth constantly
tawny spear
Hey I just notice
compact oxide
I thought I was the biggest shill 
tawny spear
JackFrags is playing BFV on low settings
stuck plaza
@compact oxide fuck you
stoic breach
aight
tawny spear
Even though he has a monsterous PC
compact oxide
@stuck plaza thompson should never be able to kill people, it's a meme gun don't you understand
More FPS
stuck plaza
yes yes
of course
the MAS 44 is actually just for show, it is not intended to be used
tawny spear
But on launch he played on the highest settings
compact oxide
Exactly
stoic breach
MAS44 now has pistol dps lmao
dreamy plank
shottys and bolts, thats it now
tawny spear
So is BFV having performancd issues
compact oxide
On launch even I play games at highest settings for the pretty factor
stoic breach
Have fun with that piece of shit
compact oxide
Then turn it down for fps
dreamy plank
woe be to you for wanting to experience an authentic thompson or stg
compact oxide
Imagine wanting an authentic experience in an arcade shooter
dreamy plank
reminder that the thompson shot 45 acp which was actually a long range caliber for an smg
yea in a world war 2 game people want ww2 action
tawny spear
No I think it's more of a CPU problem since I got hitcups all the time even on Low settings
hollow cliff
that still only had an effective rang e of 50 yard s
fleet bloom
how's the new patch 
compact oxide
Depends on your CPU tbh
stoic breach
People complaining about getting sniped at long range smh, its completely dependant on map design if you get sniped from every angle
tawny spear
Mine is Ryzen 1700