devs should make what they want to make, and who plays it is there because they like what is being made
#battlefield-legacy-titles
dense bone
glossy locust
and 1v4 isn't a battle you should fight i would argue
shy badger
The community doesn't always know what it wants
dense bone
this "community controls" the devs mentality is stupid imo
buoyant fossil
newcomers are gonna get fucked anyway
viscid crater
sweats can turn a low TTK into a high though
dense bone
theres multiple games to choose from
midnight nimbus
new players don't track well enough to kill people well with high TTK
solid hinge
In conquest someone's gotta defend the point
regal sapphire
Lmao what
main grove
I associate low TTK with not being able to react at all
main grove
And smashing controllers
regal sapphire
Are you seriously doing a "If you don't like it, don't play it?"
dense bone
@regal sapphire its a pretty standard response towards anything
coral fiber
Meh
regal sapphire
Well give me an option to refund the game atleast then
main grove
Don’t like it don’t play it is not a bad quote at all
buoyant fossil
Average players don't like to do objectives at all
dense bone
dont buy game in first place?
main grove
I genuinely think that’s not that bad
coral fiber
My status says it all
glossy locust
apex ttk is too much, something in the middle something like fortnite or CSGO where body shots do little damage and headshots do a ton
regal sapphire
I already bought it before they made shit changes?
solid hinge
it's actually baffling how bad the average player is
glossy locust
i am fine with that
main grove
It’s common sense
buoyant fossil
Why did you even buy the game
viscid crater
Average players won't even blow up tanks right infornt of them as assault
dense bone
take it to court
viscid crater
Or even try
dense bone
or stop playing
solid hinge
I don't understand why you would buy battlefield and not play objectives
regal sapphire
Ah yes, take a game to court
solid hinge
That's the entire point of the game
dense bone
(you wont win in court)
buoyant fossil
Average players are the reason why Vehicles are ass
regal sapphire
If you don't like it don't play it is such a toxic mentality
dense bone
no its not
viscid crater
If a guy is 25 and 0 in a tank I'm going to blow your ass up
buoyant fossil
Then the same players cry that there op
regal sapphire
Yes it is
coral fiber
Mhmm
Is that why im always being called a crying pilot lol
dense bone
if youre a sensitive entitled gamer sure
viscid crater
Lol what
dense bone
if thats what you want to call it
regal sapphire
Till they change it back you mean
solid hinge
IT HAS SPLASH DAMAGE
glossy locust
highly highly doubt this will have any effect on the playerbase
regal sapphire
I never said I won't try it did I?
glossy locust
the sweats will stay
shy badger
Ok then why are we beating around the bush?
dense bone
90% of people that play this game probably dont even know a change is coming
regal sapphire
The changes still suck lol
solid hinge
They didnt say anything about tanks tho
glossy locust
more like 90% of the people that bought this game at launch don't play anymore
dense bone
i dont play anymore
regal sapphire
Congrats
shy badger
I didn't either, it'sweird
dense bone
weird, i dont like the game for whatever reason, i stopped playing it
midnight nimbus
^
dense bone
i lost a few nights of sleep, but im ok now
midnight nimbus
I just find it fun to follow the game and watch it collapse on itself
regal sapphire
It's just sad because BF5 was my favorite fps gun play wise
half kite
i have 10/10
solid hinge
@half kite do master assignments
regal sapphire
I won't have anything to replace it with
icy sluice
@half kite Get it to level 10 and complete the mastery challenges in the assignments menu
glossy locust
it's the only game that isn't even fun when you're dominating, I pretty much play because it's the only good combined arms FPS
that isn't a gaye milsim
dense bone
well technically youll have more time to use the gunplay since it takes longer to kill... so really its more of what you like
half kite
where i can find this
buoyant fossil
@glossy locust same here
regal sapphire
🤦
icy sluice
when you start the game
solid hinge
Sad days are upon us. Unless private servers save us.
icy sluice
go to assignments
regal sapphire
Yes of course, that's how it works
icy sluice
scroll down to your gun
solid hinge
@solid hinge YEP
icy sluice
should say mastery
midnight nimbus
Halo is a better combined arms game
solid hinge
I might have to get MW... oh the blasphemy!
dense bone
MW is campfest, fuck that game
regal sapphire
Hopefully Private servers have a toggle to the old ttk
solid hinge
tfw you can kill vehicles in halo by running up to them
icy sluice
Thankfully, I didn't pay for that game
midnight nimbus
MW is hype outside of TDM
icy sluice
What a shit waste of money that was
solid hinge
tfw cant punch the hull of a tiger in and ram a grenade inside
Battle royal will release next month. Might be better then.
buoyant fossil
I hate BR
shy badger
Yea I also hated the mw beta
buoyant fossil
It's just free for all
buoyant fossil
With 100 players
glossy locust
talk about terrible TTK and a campfest
solid hinge
I die behind walls on bfv all the time lol
glossy locust
instantly lasered
buoyant fossil
That's normally a cod thing
solid hinge
200 on mw
solid hinge
zap
midnight nimbus
kinda
solid hinge
The browning doesnt look very nerfed
solid hinge
🥴
icy sluice
MW, even if you're in a corner, you're exposed from every possible angle, pretty much because there's so many fucking sightlines on every single map
midnight nimbus
yeah it's just like BF
solid hinge
MW isnt my kinda game at all
Oh there will be a few guns that will dominate the game now. And snipers and pistols will dominate everything.
luckily I got a computer so I can ignore FPS games until titanfall 3 comes out
gray saffron
i stopped playing cod after cod4. too much killstreaks bullshit afterwards. i like it when it's just about shooting. 😦
shy badger
titanfall 3?
icy sluice
Not even close to BF because the MW maps are not wide enough to make it... good
glossy locust
I have outgrown COD completely the game has zero appeal to me
icy sluice
Every MW map feels like a bastardized version of Narvik
glossy locust
the camping in BFV is bearable but in MW it's EVERYWHERE
half kite
no i dont have this
glossy locust
it's essential to success
gray saffron
Oh god. and i already "tolerate" narvik xD
solid hinge
I refuse to believe titanfall 3 wont come out
glossy locust
the bst way to play modern warefare is to camp in a building, set up a claymore behind you
shy badger
I just looked it up since I thought it's confirmed
solid hinge
maybe they can call it apexfall or something to get the crowd in
shy badger
Unfortunately it's put on ice
midnight nimbus
titanfall 2 was a masterpiece
icy sluice
One of the reasons was the release date
midnight nimbus
best EA shooter 😩
solid hinge
The only problems with the first two titanfalls were bad sales, and apex gave them a whole playerbase
gray saffron
new half-life game coming out, jurassic world gets an jurassic park expansion. i believe anything nowawadays
icy sluice
Literally launched like right next to Battlefield 1 and Call of Duty
solid hinge
They just have to transfer apex players to titanfall
glossy locust
only probles are bad sales...
literally the worst problem
yo ucan't continue to make games that don't sell well
solid hinge
god I miss titanfall 2
shy badger
I thought titanlfall 1 had great sales
solid hinge
Northstar was the second worst titan I'll have you know
scenic beacon
sad scorch main noises
shy badger
It was overhyped as shit
solid hinge
scorch was just even worse
scenic beacon
yeah but they fucking yeet their way over my thermite
glossy locust
BFV sold pretty poorly sorry to say but if the next one (most likely modern) doesn't sell well they might pull the plug on ti too
or like revamp it from the ground up in five years
scenic beacon
probably made billions off of ilse lmfao
glossy locust
lol you vastly overestimate how much they make on boins
solid hinge
I see a ridiculous amount of elites, and everyone with one elite probably has multiple of them
buoyant fossil
I don't
grim briar
VOTE ADORIA FIRST
icy sluice
I saw a Jack Culver reviving Norman Kingsley on Iwo Jima
grim briar
ADORIA FIRST
icy sluice
tf
gray saffron
and it prolly has lower sales due it's also already on ea basic. most people just get a yearly sub instead. and that will prolly be taken in account as well.
solid hinge
@grim briar dont do that binch
icy sluice
binch
glossy locust
it is one bad selling game from a full revamp
scenic beacon
binch
glossy locust
you heard it hear first
buoyant fossil
😂
unkempt plank
Noot noot
glossy locust
here*
gray saffron
hardline definitely killed battlefield, bryjoe ;D
shy badger
noot noot
buoyant fossil
Hardline did kill it
glossy locust
it didn't help it
buoyant fossil
Dice went downhill ever since
solid hinge
It wasnt a numbered entry so its fine
buoyant fossil
Medal of honor was fun
icy sluice
Ironically, hardline played better than 4
buoyant fossil
Much better Than bf4
unkempt plank
Hmm
buoyant fossil
Bf4 is over hyped
unkempt plank
You are overhyped
midnight nimbus
unlike BFV, BFH actually managed to be a top 10 selling game of its year
gray saffron
it's no longer the time where a shipped game is the end of it anymore. battlefield won't die due a bad game, it's not like ET where they can't alter and change the game anymore. they can update it, change it. make it great again #2019
buoyant fossil
Still no automatic M39 EBR
nocturne hill
does anyone know if the fortress gamemode is coming back any time soon?
gray saffron
bf4 was also seen as a terrible game at launch. and possibly "killing bf" ..we all know how that game turned out.
agile sigil
Battlefield 1942 Anthology is best Battlefield.
icy sluice
Don't think it was called the Anthology
agile sigil
Not the original, but they released anthology afterward including the dlcs
solid hinge
@midnight nimbus what was your preferred titanfall loadout out of interest
buoyant fossil
I miss her
agile sigil
That's the one I had, good times.
icy sluice
This thing costs a lot of money if it's in mint condition
agile sigil
I messed with the Vietnam files to include my music to play in vehicles
icy sluice
Okay, just $86 USD, thought it was more
since the Medal of Honor collection costs like $300 if it's in mint
gray saffron
seems to be called anthology here, raptor. it contains 1942, road to rome and secret worlds of ww2
buoyant fossil
Because medal of honor is actually respected unlike battlefield
gray saffron
so seems to miss a few expansions
icy sluice
agile sigil
I want that
icy sluice
Good gun
buoyant fossil
And soon when that VR game comes out
solid hinge
staple!
icy sluice
tmw someone actually uses the fucking flatline or the L-STAR
solid hinge
I was expecting car or spitfire
gray saffron
i tried MoH airborne on steam, but it's censored compared to other versions 😦
solid hinge
Flatline wasnt that bad until they nerfed it
shy badger
MoH airborne was such great fun
gray saffron
yeah, i loved the paradropping mechanic
buoyant fossil
At least on xbox
gray saffron
i really wished, this bfv did more with that. airborne mode reminded me a lot of moh airborne
buoyant fossil
Same
shy badger
I personally really liked how the more you used your guns the better they became
buoyant fossil
But knowing Dice they won't
gray saffron
i hope people will make airborne only playlists with community servers 😮
yeah, that was great too 😄
buoyant fossil
Seeing the Bar transform from a Compensator to having dual magazines was pretty cool
gray saffron
though sometimes annoying when it adds a scope on guns you prefer to just use ironsights on ;D
buoyant fossil
Like the Springfield
shy badger
I think the stg too
autumn bane
am i the only one who never uses scopes
the xtra ads time screws me over cuz im always rushing
buoyant fossil
Irons are the best
glossy locust
see cod is the only game that somehow has a yearly release and retains a competitive scene
maybe sports games too
battlefield doesn't have this
icy sluice
"CoD World League"
eternal wind
yea because theres not a whole lot of strategy in those games, at least comparatively to BF
gray saffron
i like to not use ads at all ;D i only really use it if my bullets are too puny to kill person and i'm like "fiiine, i'll aim this puppy"
eternal wind
so it attracts gamers who want to think less. Not a dig btw lol
glossy locust
no it's because it's impossible to have 32v32 esport
midnight nimbus
there is more strategy that actually matters
glossy locust
unless it's battle royale
gray saffron
battlefield is hard to have an esport mode for yeah. esport tends to be around smaller teams.
midnight nimbus
if you wanted to strategize something like BF down to a competitive level, you have too many choices to make
eternal wind
It would be dope to have atleast a 16v16 esport for like rush or something tho
glossy locust
I really wish they put more effort in firestorm...
midnight nimbus
if you have too many things to account for, you might as well not strategize anyways
too many choices is the same thing as no choices
gray saffron
and how much fun is covering 32 players all doing sorts of things. football is easy since you can just follow the people around teh ball. not so much when it's about 5 objectives and epic streaks of kills..by 64 players
squad conquest might work..but it's just not really that battlefield experience imo
midnight nimbus
having played in large organized 32s, the strategy in comp CoD is way higher
glossy locust
firestorm with vehicles can work it does in fortnite
midnight nimbus
even 8s/10s wasn't very complex
eternal wind
yea CoD has more individual strategy for sure, but on average BF series is more team and objective based, so just different goals I mean
midnight nimbus
even the macro level strategy in BF isn't that deep
soft storm
Holy shit they killed the FG42
glossy locust
they updated firestorm like one time
eternal wind
unless your getting back capped and trading objectives, getting flanked etc
in a good match with good teams theres tons of strategy
and when those lines of battle kinda organically happen over a point it came be really really intense
solid hinge
at super high level im assuming the strategy dies down again
eternal wind
granted thats a lot of IF's lololol
solid hinge
theres only so many options
glossy locust
only good if it's fun to watch
midnight nimbus
in a good match with good teams it's mega boring
you hold half + 1
there's no backcapping
eternal wind
if the other team is also good there is haha
glossy locust
CQ isn't the mode.for esports it's BR
solid hinge
if your team is good enough you dont let them back cap
midnight nimbus
yeah you either fight over the +1
or you go straight for spawn bomb
everyone but vehicles and your top fraggers just do bitch work
eternal wind
see I only see matches like that in games that are very lopsided
midnight nimbus
dump your rockets into enemy vehicles, redeploy until enemy vehicles are dead
solid hinge
These aren't average matches, these are at the top level
midnight nimbus
yeah top level with even teams you just get half +1
glossy locust
so imagine tank battles with nuance of world of tanks
plane battles like war thudner
could be entertaining to watch
i mean in older battlefields there was dogfighting complexity even
midnight nimbus
shockingly, it's not fun to watch in practice
glossy locust
even in like bf3 with it's jet skill ceiling
two good pilots would just circle all day
midnight nimbus
yeah it was shit to watch even then
it's not two good pilots circling all day
the slightly better pilot wins pretty fast
then flies circles waiting for the enemy to respawn
glossy locust
well i used to circle all day lmao
midnight nimbus
lmao
glossy locust
I was either instantly killed killed them instanlty
or circled with even matched player
proper sluice
dose anyone know why the weapon challenges are so hard
glossy locust
what we know is the only games with many players that are esports are BRs
and they also are the only esports with combined arms
glossy locust
well the gun meta was terrible was it not
midnight nimbus
in practice, your combined arms comp experience is still infy plays bitch to the vehicles
glossy locust
aek in bf4
midnight nimbus
no
it was fine
nothing wrong w/ ppl running AEKs
well in 8s and 10s you run engi
hollow wadi
Good lad @coral fiber
glossy locust
well as I have said, in fortnite the vehicles (besides the mech) are balanced so that they can be taken out by anyone not just a specialized class
and they aren't instant death machines either
main grove
And everyone just kills me instantly
hollow wadi
Cuase there's no classes
brave coral
Wait there’s like attack vehicles in Fortnite?
glossy locust
so if vehicles are kind of equally vulnerable to infy ad infy is to vehicles at least combined infy i think it works fine
brave coral
Lmao
glossy locust
would need to remove repairing though
brave coral
Last time I played the vehicles were shopping trolleys lmao
hollow wadi
I see meme potential by just shooting a tank at 1 hp with the liberator
glossy locust
there was planes with machine guns, a mech (this was OP), now there is boats with rockets
they all can be damaged with bullets
i think that is the key difference they are strong but vulnerable
a good tanker, especially in BF4 is unstoppable
same with little bird
eternal wind
ya that little bird was the bane of my existence in BF4
hollow wadi
Imagine getting killed by a LIBERATOR AS A TANK with this in place ha
soft storm
Who thought 13 BTK was a good idea
brave coral
Please stop
glossy locust
so what imagine getting farmed from an impervious tank on a hill like we do currently
soft storm
Same shit
glossy locust
so much better
soft storm
Also they nerfed rockets for some reason
brave coral
Ik some of the changes are more than were needed but at least use the figures that people are talking about lol
soft storm
I’ve seen th figures
glossy locust
would be nice to concentrate fire on a hill tank and be able to kill it with enough rounds and not have to rocket it
soft storm
I’ve seen footage
brave coral
But yeah you can actually be credited a kill on a tank with the Liberator
If you place three tnt, hit it somewhere else with the AT grenade, then switch to sidearm and hit the tnt with the Liberator it should detonate and count as a pistol kill
Same with AT mines
glossy locust
ok, I really don't think it's a bad idea though, like we can throw realism out for a second trying to make a balanced combined arms game
solid hinge
Current assignments are going to not work with weapon changes
glossy locust
maybe not let bullets damage tanks but then give everyone anti tank stuff
crisp leaf
turtles
brave coral
Agreed
Hopefully they rework some of them
Or maybe acknowledge the shit challenge design and do all of them
solid hinge
they dont seem to want to rework anything other than things that dont need reworking
soft storm
They’re assholes
I’m just at this point where I don’t care about fancy label
Only thing that’s ok with this update is some vehicle buffs
brave coral
All of the update apart from the weapon changes is very welcome
delicate herald
I really don’t see everyone’s problem with this update. I think most of the changes, including the weapon rebalancing, were sorely needed.
brave coral
I’m willing to try the weapons - although there is some stuff that is just blaringly over the tops and unneeded
glossy locust
they are changing based on two things: waning playerbase, internal analytics
delicate herald
It’s cheese to out shoot someone at 30+ meters with a sten or mp40 while they use a rifle.
brave coral
But then keep in mind that they’ve already said they’re working on a new version which is sort of a balance of the two
midnight nimbus
^ if you have an AR and you're losing to a Sten at range, gitgud
solid hinge
^
midnight nimbus
lmao
glossy locust
changing the ttk ain't gonna do shit to the player base anyone who's still playing will still be playing tomorrow
delicate herald
I’m not the one dying. I’m the one cheesing. Lol
glossy locust
might as well change the game to try and retain new players
midnight nimbus
or rather, anyone who hasn't been playing won't suddenly start playing
solid hinge
That's on them to losing to you then
glossy locust
any new ones that come in
soft storm
New players will immediately think “holy shit my bullets are fortnite bullets”
delicate herald
It. Is. Cheese.
brave coral
Will they
glossy locust
lol fortnite TTK is fast
solid hinge
It's not cheese for guns to kill people
midnight nimbus
lesson from BO4: high TTK compared to past titles is really bad for player retention
solid hinge
That is indeed what they're made for
glossy locust
no shield pretty fast for sure
delicate herald
Honestly most people are mad because they’re gonna have to shift they’re play style away from whatever gun they’ve been using since launch. Turn over a new leaf. It’s really not hard.
soft storm
No shield fast, with shield slow
brave coral
I kinda agree
There are somethings which were unneeded but I do quite like the idea behind the changes
solid hinge
The guns that are better at distances dont even seem that worse up close
brave coral
I just think they went too far or in the wrong direction in some places
solid hinge
May as well pick slow firing stuff
glossy locust
lesson from every game player retention has nothing to do with skill gap, it's mostly to do with content
soft storm
Madsen got fucked
glossy locust
games with highest skill gap are most popular
brave coral
Yep Madsen shouldn’t have been changed imo
glossy locust
dota, csgo, fortnite
brave coral
Or maybe have it 5-6 BTK
solid hinge
Being able to 6btk people at any range seems pretty good when you look at other guns
brave coral
6-6 is harsh though
brave coral
More the close range
soft storm
lmao that was a feature on all guns before this
solid hinge
faster kill time
soft storm
Now they say “oh it’s feature on this”
No you nerfed everything to make that seem good
brave coral
??
solid hinge
Madsens current role is to perform at the bottom of what everything else used to be capable of
ebon badge
how do you make a server in bf5? its 5 am in the morning where I am
all the servers have 200 ping
glossy locust
i think the key difference between a CSGO and BFV or something like that the game is still fun to play even when you are getting dumped on, and the high when you are playing well is higher than bfv too
solid hinge
@ebon badge you cant yet
glossy locust
BFV fundamentally isn't that fun and I can't udnerstand why
soft storm
You can’t until the 9th or when they delay it agin
ebon badge
whats happening
brave coral
We do need more gadgets agreed
soft storm
Maybe the gadgets wouldn’t of have been delayed if they didn’t need to remake the wheel
ebon badge
remind me whats happening on the 9th
solid hinge
For an allegedly sandbox game theres a pitiful amount of actual options
soft storm
RSP got delayed to the 9th
solid hinge
bf4 had a billion gadgets even if a bunch of them sucked
brave coral
10th I’m pretty sure
solid hinge
look at medic in bfv
soft storm
No it’s the 9th
polar totem
RSP?
brave coral
Why is it releasing on a Monday
solid hinge
what kind of sandbox is that
glossy locust
bf4 most overrated game in the series BF3>BF1
soft storm
FFS they’ve been doing this since BF1
glossy locust
rest are average
polar totem
What is RSP?
brave coral
Rental Server Program
solid hinge
I dont mind forcing a specific gadget type that much, but theres no options for your other gadget
brave coral
You can make your own servers with custom rules and rotations
glossy locust
hopefully with admin ban rights?
solid hinge
smoke or AP mines on medic is piss
brave coral
Yeah Medic gets screwed over with the right hand gadget slot
sand smelt
How do I send pictures I wanna share a meme lol
brave coral
I mean tbh I’d still probably run smoke launcher no matter what
soft storm
Get arbitrarily decided by the mods that they trust you
brave coral
But it’s having the option
soft storm
Meanwhile Halo is finally out for pc and they haven’t changed anything to it in a decade
glossy locust
servers with active admins are the best way to play games on PC
soft storm
So yeah have fun dice
sand smelt
Mods how can I make u trust me
glossy locust
even if you get occasional badmins
brave coral
Medic should get some way of consistently destroying fortifications
sonic rampart
!!oof
ruby trailBOT
yeet
glossy locust
every class should have a way to take out a tank really
sonic rampart
Nah
solid hinge
some method of at least damaging tanks
sonic rampart
Would take the purpose of classes away
snow monolith
snki?
brave coral
They’re built as the main pushing/aggressive room clearing class but if said room has some sandbags in he doorway, you’re screwed
snow monolith
ok
solid hinge
trombone launcher doesnt count
echo turtle
Yeah
solid hinge
@snow monolith english pls
snow monolith
no way
sonic rampart
but they should get a way to destroy forts
solid hinge
echo turtle
Be nice to have a nade launcher to scare them off
sonic rampart
Because its annoying especially in op metro
glossy locust
anti tank has best anti tank weapons still
sonic rampart
To not be able to break forts as a medic
solid hinge
With how fast you can rebuild forts now I see no reason not to have explosive tools on every class
glossy locust
i think medic should get dynamite
solid hinge
oh no someone busted this sandbag wall- clicks as support ok all good
brave coral
That could work for Medic? Have it work like a breaching charge as well
sonic rampart
They should make it like that when you pick up someones gun you pick up his whole setup
brave coral
Also with regards to forts
sonic rampart
Like before
brave coral
I do like them
glossy locust
medic get dynamite and then recon can get the plunger thing
sonic rampart
brave coral
And it’s better now they’re quicker to build
glossy locust
and just let assault run both the piat and the panzerfaust simultaneously
brave coral
But maybe add a cooldown when they’re destroyed before you can rebuild?
glossy locust
or the AA gun
solid hinge
honestly I think lunge mine should have been assault and recon
brave coral
PIAT and Panzerfaust akimbo would not work lmao
scenic beacon
only recon
solid hinge
fliegerfaust should be less shit vs anything that isnt planes
panzerfaust should be less shit in general
glossy locust
why not piat is not good versus infantry
solid hinge
It is
echo turtle
Er
brave coral
Flieger should do maybe similar damage to tanks as the frag launcher
solid hinge
Piat is the only good explosive tool vs infantry currently
echo turtle
Devastation breakthrough would like a word with you
brave coral
Or a little more
solid hinge
Not that its anywhere near it used to be
glossy locust
yeah why did they make grenades horrible
brave coral
And the Flieger should be able to kill infantry
solid hinge
Frag rifle launcher was a pain in the ass and everyone complained
glossy locust
well they are a no skill weapon
brave coral
I kinda like the frag launcher in its current state
glossy locust
i mean in csgo if you literally sit your asshole on one it does like 70 damage
i think that is good
icy sluice
Yeah, frag launcher is nice and offers great ricochet shots
brave coral
It was because you could use it as a close range insta kill gadget
But could do with maybe a little more damage/blast radius?
glossy locust
explosive spam versus infantry is never good
sonic rampart
What class is lunge mine?
brave coral
Assault probably
glossy locust
just saying your could give assualt the most powerful anti tank shit
sonic rampart
Would make sense
glossy locust
and still ahve every class have an anti tank option
echo turtle
And buff that scrapper subclass
glossy locust
every class should it's dumb when a tank is on the point you can do nothing but run
as any other class but assault
maybe support
echo turtle
Like instead of spotting the tank why not 4 of each gadget
brave coral
Yeah combat roles could have been so much more important
glossy locust
bf4 every lclass had antitank and it worked just fine
solid hinge
tfw they'd rather rework every weapon than touch combat roles
you cant just ignore such a significant part of the goddamn it
brave coral
You could have some actual interesting ones
glossy locust
vehicles are only bad when they can't be countered easily, currently the tank meta is sit on a god damn hill in breakthrough and farm 70 kills
brave coral
Like an Assault Grenadier where you carry three grenades but less primary ammo
Maybe two
sonic rampart
@solid hinge it kind of was needed to rework the weapons, because the guns kind of looked like each other
brave coral
That’s just because there’s not really any good long range AT options
solid hinge
They're still making the guns look like each other
sonic rampart
Oh smh
glossy locust
tanks were plenty dominant in bf4 when everyone had antitank
solid hinge
It's not like suomi and Thompson are significantly different now
They got the same changes
sonic rampart
brave coral
I think. They had a good idea but it’s not very well executed and it went too far in a lot of places
solid hinge
Tfw they're increasing tank armour and still havent introduced effective ranged anti tank tools
Wheres the MORTAR
gray glade
did i understand it correctly that the mg42 with 1200 rpm spec now has 200 ammo?
brave coral
Give Support the knee mortar please
sonic rampart
Expected guns to be diff from each other, so you have every gun good at certain things another gun isnt good in, in 1 class
brave coral
Yeah that would have been good
solid hinge
Unless they swap the specs up considerably
brave coral
Instead generally they do the same things as before just a bit worse
solid hinge
they havent said which specs they're changing yet afaik
They didnt even say the recoil they were changing
sonic rampart
New specs
brave coral
Apart from a few cases where they do something no one really used them for
solid hinge
They just showed the increased btk
soft storm
They’re idiots
solid hinge
They're changing rof and that's not in the notes
brave coral
They literally said they would
glossy locust
imagine the towing system was actually useful and you could tow a six pounder and take out the tank
soft storm
WHEN?
storm socket
but they said they were doing that..
glossy locust
unfortunately it's not
soft storm
WHEN ARE WE GETTING THESE NOTES
storm socket
notes are out son
sonic rampart
Love hate relationship with BfV 
solid hinge
They said they're making spec adjustments as well
brave coral
The notes are out lol
soft storm
no shit
brave coral
Where did you think these discussions came from
soft storm
But these obviously can’t be the full ones
soft storm
Ni mention of recoil or ROF
brave coral
solid hinge
they just haven't reflected it in the notes
along with recoil changes and rof
which is STUPID
soft storm
Exactly
solid hinge
The notes literally just say the guns are weaker
soft storm
Bingo
sonic rampart
storm socket
its 100% intentional to not post all the information
soft storm
How is it intentional?
storm socket
every gun type just got nerfed
solid hinge
Its gonna be intentional when I kick some ass
storm socket
if they posted the ROF changes we'd be able to immediately see how full of shit they were
lol
soft storm
Are they intentionally slow to reception or community backlash?
soft storm
Ugh
storm socket
datamining will tell us more specifically but you dont need those specifics to see obvious things
like the breda is now a joke
good game design dice
solid hinge
soft storm
Still ass
coral fiber
Reeeeeeeee
REEEEEEE
soft storm
This would of made sense in halo or something
gray glade
well at least the mg42 and the vgo will have reduced recoil
which is what everyone using them has requested since they nerfed them
coral fiber
storm socket
dice has ruined the gameplay to make mediocre players feel better about themselves. It's the Rock Paper Scissors patch
soft storm
Ugh
coral fiber
Rock paper scissors?
I thought that was a vehicle thing
brave coral
I know it’s not the most popular but can we at least stop just saying shit that we don’t know
sonic rampart
Ye
soft storm
No
storm socket
but we do know this "shit" @brave coral
solid hinge
and pigs will fly
coral fiber
We haven't played it yet
sonic rampart
^
brave coral
Oh you’ve played the patch early? Cool
storm socket
there's absolutely no way the 5.2 gunplay will be better than the current one
coral fiber
But imma be busy killing people with my tiger
soft storm
Dice devs will suck their own dick backwards to ensure their product looks good
sonic rampart
You never know
solid hinge
It's a good patch because bolt action with revolver and throwing knives is the best loadout now
brave coral
Like yes I can agree that there is a good chance that at least some parts of it will suck
coral fiber
Pistols are more viable now
sonic rampart
The devs were pretty positive about it in the livestream
solid hinge
My default loadout got technically buffed because everything else got chunked
sonic rampart
gray glade
my one worry are the bolt actions
solid hinge
brave coral
But it’s stupid to just straight up say ‘I know exactly what’s changed’
coral fiber
I have mixed opinions
brave coral
Same
coral fiber
But my status says it all
red pulsar
LMAO a good way to piss off snipers is to just jump around in the same spot but not shoot back at them. This dude got upset and just ran away 😂😂😂
solid hinge
oh God I have to pee
coral fiber
And i will keep saying things about flight mechanics until dice does something about it
soft storm
Lmao I don’t even know if they nerfed or buffed heavy cannons
Reads like they changed functionality if anything
coral fiber
Neither really
soft storm
That’s what I’m seeing
coral fiber
Just a very slight nerf to cannons at long ranges
storm socket
6 bullet to kill minimum on STG1-5 is all anyone needs to see
soft storm
The Mosquito is still king
storm socket
game is ruined lol
soft storm
Inb4 everyone needs to learn to aim for the head
solid hinge
I'm convinced 6btk on stg1-5 is a typo
storm socket
unless it's double ROF (it wont be) the game is ruined
soft storm
Lmao skillful gameplay subsidized by nerfing everything across the board
gray saffron
*might be ruined. patch ain't out yet, we don't know how guns really feel ;D
solid hinge
Have HOPE
soft storm
I’m out
storm socket
also i LOVE how they said "Close range damage is only reduced on some very fast-firing SMGs. " but then they nerfed the MAB and the MP34
soft storm
See y’all tomorrow
solid hinge
It could always be worse than were imagining
coral fiber
I have nearly 600 hours in this game and i still intend to play it regardless how bad it is
gray saffron
damn ;D. always ruining our sentences!
dense bone
is model 8 still 2btk?
solid hinge
Yeah but slower rate of fire
dense bone
after they buffed it?!
soft storm
If it’s as bad as I’m reading it’ll be ass cheeks for infantry and fun for vehicle players
dense bone
still sounds good
solid hinge
Arent they smart!
storm socket
it probably got its 2 tap range reduced @dense bone
midnight nimbus
yeah both of the above
storm socket
the zh is now a 2-3 like the rsc/model 8
so model 8 and rsc probably have lower 2 tap range
gray saffron
i have a feeling the subreddit is gonna be a shitshow regardless how well or terrible the ttk changes are ;D
dense bone
bunch of bad aim casuals imo
coral fiber
See...
If you wanna be an intellect after the patch
Just use pistols and meme on them
solid hinge
wait I thought they said they weren't changing the SLR damage
coral fiber
Oh boi
gray saffron
no, just use knives. apparently they did some fixes to backstabbing. so git close, git stab
sturdy osprey
I knew they wasn't gonna add wake tomorrow. But at least the skys will be clear then before
storm socket
@solid hinge the funny part is they said "
Changing damage is not viable on SLRs. Adjustments made via reduced ROF." but then they changed the damage on the selb/zh
coral fiber
Eugene if you're wondering what we're talking about
We're just having a lil hissy fit about the 5.2 patch ;)
storm socket
directly contradicted themselves
sturdy osprey
Same
solid hinge
Tbh im so happy that the Stuka BK 3.7cm have splash damage now that idc about ttk
coral fiber
Eh
gray saffron
the rockets splash damage sounds awesome. which means fighters vs infantry might now be really viable
storm socket
the flieger has twice as much range now though
coral fiber
Atleast they nerfed the incendiary bombs
THEY SHALL NOT TOUCH MY CHAD 2X 500LB BOMBS
solid hinge
@storm socket ;_;
sturdy osprey
Who cares they need skill to hit
storm socket
flieger might be even more deadly in a skilled player's hands
solid hinge
they made incendiary bombs damage tanks so it's a half buff
solid hinge
@storm socket Skilled players hands
sturdy osprey
Wait really?
solid hinge
Not every cucumber can use it now
coral fiber
And no i will not shut the fuck up about it
solid hinge
I mean
rocky verge
They always dmg tanks
coral fiber
Tired of being shut down by salty infantry players
I will keep ranting about plane physics
rocky verge
They always did damage to tanks @sturdy osprey
coral fiber
rocky verge
I even use the flamethrower to do 1dmg to a tank to stop it from reparing
When the 105mm is loading
solid hinge
Incendiary bombs didnt damage tanks before according to the patch notes
They were bugged
rocky verge
Weird I always got tank dmg when I dropped them on a tank
rocky verge
Only 1 dmg per second
solid hinge
Ok add suomi 2 please
coral fiber
Bleh
coral fiber
I want physics changes
gray saffron
might be*
rocky verge
Looks at STUG,archer,ju88 c and maskito bomber @coral fiber
solid hinge
WHY IS NOBODY TALKIN ABOUT STUAKS
gray saffron
i want vehicle spawning changes ;D
rocky verge
Thx weeo
rocky verge
Knew I messed it up
coral fiber
Still not convinced sorry
solid hinge
Tbh it took me a lotta time to get used to it lol @rocky verge
buoyant fossil
I don't fly
solid hinge
Since im not english
buoyant fossil
I like my metal box
storm socket
not maybe @solid hinge
gray saffron
tanks will grow wings and become new planes
storm socket
there was a huge post about tanks by Azura7
solid hinge
That was an odd one as well
rocky verge
Funny how pilot says they never cared about adding new tanks or planes but yet before the Pacific we got 2 new tanks and planes
sturdy osprey
This wooden plank though 🤔 and apologies
solid hinge
@storm socket ik
solid hinge
If they're actually making those tank changes why weren't they in the notes
rocky verge
storm socket
They did a major overhaul of tanks and left it out of the patch notes LUL
gray saffron
that aim before you plonked ;D
rocky verge
Might get them in a later season
solid hinge
Grille marder churchil avre nashorn hummrl bishop...
sturdy osprey
😂 ik
solid hinge
technically the planes they added before the Pacific were just variants on existing models and the tanks they added reused the medium chassis
scenic beacon
bob semple
sturdy osprey
I get jittery
rocky verge
Also wonder what there gonna do for the nashhorn
Where ya player gonna be
Unless there gonna cover the top
rocky verge
Like the archer
solid hinge
Dice
gray saffron
it's nice that the guy teleported to your plank though ,;D
sturdy osprey
😂 right
sturdy osprey
How was it still intact
rocky verge
Well the gun carrier has a what?
coral fiber
How about...
Doing something about the stupid stalling meta
Bring the dogfighting meta back
Get rid of vehicle attrition
sturdy osprey
solid hinge
75mm
rocky verge
While the nashhorn has a flak or pak
rocky verge
Might do little more dmg for the nash
solid hinge
And less hp
soft storm
Lmao
rocky verge
Yeah
soft storm
Meanwhile SWBF2 is having an amazing update
rocky verge
Just adding some skins to the game @soft storm
sturdy osprey
So how much damage will incidniary bombs do to tanks🤔
broken echo
What 12 CET UK time
soft storm
Check the second update this month
gray saffron
@shy badger "It's not replacing anything, the M1 Garand has 3 choices at rank 4." about the m1 garand 😮
solid hinge
WHY DID DICE WASTE SO MUCH MONEY ON FIRESTORM WE COULD HAVE GOTTEN SO MUCH SHIT FOR MP
soft storm
They’re adding CS and COOP to Sequel trilogy
solid hinge
REEEEE
visual blade
gimme my sith troopers
rocky verge
Dice when ya gonna add the panther
visual blade
and my arc skins
solid hinge
BAYONET
solid hinge
Dice when ya gonna add heavy and light tanks for usa
do you want a grenade launcher or a bayonet
like
come on
that's not balanced
storm socket
well with the new BTK changes bayonet is probably better LUL
sturdy osprey
I hope they don't mess with the combied arms progression for assignments
solid hinge
should have bayonet by default
visual blade
bayonet is hella more useful if you know how to use it
gray saffron
yeah :<
storm socket
imagine being an stg 1-5 guy and hitting 5 shots on a bayonet boy
and still dying
LOL
game is ruined
soft storm
Ayla you keep the Bayonet alongside heavy loads
gray glade
imagine hitting an enemy sniper 12 times with your mg42 but he still kills u
gray saffron
you can see a guy charging you from 100m. you fire your entire clip and only a few bullet hit him. You look at your friend and say: "do you see that guy? i fired my entire clip on him and he's still charging!" and he's like"yeah, now look in front of you" STAB
solid hinge
Now people will actually fear glint
GLINT
6 things dice doesnt care about in bfv
European uniforms
Firestorm
Grand ops
Anticheat
Team balancer
Assignments
soft storm
All the money dice has is going to SWBF2
storm socket
glint wont even matter
visual blade
what is firestorm?
soft storm
I’m sure of it
sturdy osprey
Imagine having to get all your guns gold only in mp. Because of 5.2 changes
solid hinge
What is a firestorm
storm socket
just let firestorm die
storm socket
nah they wasted potentially hundreds of thousands of dollars on that one
solid hinge
^^^
storm socket
could be millions for all we know 💩
sturdy osprey
Dice is pissing me off i might slap them
soft storm
Lmao for respawn to one up them in every possible facet
gray saffron
they worked so hard on it, they even outsourced it to another ea company!
solid hinge
If firestorm wasnt a thing we would prob have around 7 pacific maps by now and full vehicle list
for the new factions
sturdy osprey
😡 i just remembered about the flares
main grove
I mean EA is kinda pushing DICE to stop making battlefields and help with Star Wars and fifa
They probably want battlefield to suck now
solid hinge
with all the programing wasted they could have patched endless bugs
fuck god why did you let them make firestorm
Hey, star wars sucked for ages
sturdy osprey
But bugs are still there
solid hinge
and still kind of does
main grove
Probably because the release made the game dead to everyone
storm socket
battlefront 2 still looks mediocre to me
main grove
I think a lot of DICE left after BF1
solid hinge
the base classes are exactly the same as they were on release
main grove
Made enough to retire probably
sturdy osprey
Westly posted a vid about the 5.2 i might need to get some snacks and a pillow to cry on
storm socket
just a bad game with pretty stuff in it
solid hinge
aside from gun nerfs
main grove
Titanfall 2 has had not much added to it since release
sturdy osprey
Aylu so how much damage will naplam do to tanks?
main grove
I think EA just hate funding shooters
They’d rather fund their reliable income generators like FIFA
sturdy osprey
EA just cares
main grove
Than leave something to chance
sturdy osprey
Where the money is
viscid crater
EA should also team up with the american health industry lol
sturdy osprey
Exactly
solid hinge
Titanfall didnt have much added other than maps (which was a shame) but there was enough content to play it for ages
it also had a good single player
sturdy osprey
So i guess no one knows
solid hinge
@sturdy osprey probably as much as the flame thrower does
scenic beacon
A main character voiced by the one and only matt mercer
sturdy osprey
Wait you waa being serious? Lol
main grove
And how many have been inevitably drafted to the next BF
gray saffron
it's a tank, it has holes. holes allow heat in ;D
main grove
Fire is actually quite effective if it’s hot enough to cook the crew inside
magic lantern
But it was that bad the past year in bfv? I just got the game 5 days ago so I don’t know