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#battlefield-legacy-titles
stoic breach
Who cares if its toxic honestly
devout current
i had a trash talker in chat because he said "My whole team is a noob" him at bottom place of his team šš¼ š 
solid hinge
@stoic breach I'm hoping 2-3 btk ZH is a typo cause they said they weren't changing the damage only fire rate
uneven oxide
Theoretically couldnāt you hop out of the plane for 5 secs and shoot it then quickly hop back in?
keen spade
one thing about tomorrow's patch i'm looking Forward to is what might be hidden in the files
stoic breach
And medics could probably just out-heal it
Medic master race after 5.2
Its gonna be broken as shit
icy sluice
@devout current Sounds like sarcasm
solid hinge
inb4 ZH is slower than trombone
devout current
ikr
autumn bane
theres no reason to use zh if u have the jungle carbine
stoic breach
Probably will be
stoic breach
I dont see many people actually enjoying this update
solid hinge
š„“
keen spade
I hope we get some more updates on the files of the other pacific weapons like the Type 44 Carbine
autumn bane
they want more ppl to stay on the objectives probably. and more close range fights
keen spade
or Type 11 LMG
stoic breach
Unless you genuinely think peashooters are good weapon design
devout current
Oh shit
solid hinge
How could they say this isnt a ttk change
devout current
Wait
solid hinge
Look at this shit
stoic breach
Yeah, its literally a TTK change
solid hinge
Blatantly lying
stoic breach
Yep
solar vale
Anyone listens two steps from hell
autumn bane
nobody likes peashooters but nobody likes getting sprayed by a fully automatic weapon at 60 meters either
stoic breach
You cant get accurately sprayed at 60m by automatics anyways
solid hinge
stoic breach
Unless its Bren I guess
prime pine
Yes. Bren.
devout current
Guys tbf lets be honest that they should have a realism mod that you could pick up e.g. Rocks, Wood And Metal And Use Them As Weapons :o
prime pine
YO
I just realised something
We can go back to our old ttk's through rsp when they bring it out
prime pine
Set the weapon damage multiplier to 1.1x/1.2x and there
We should be able to change it
solid hinge
More proof they've actually given up on firestorm
coral fiber
As long as they buff my tiger
And they don't nerf my CHAD 2X 500lb bombs
Im happy
devout current
firestorm is shit in my opinion
solid hinge
This isnt gonna be balanced in firestorm at all
devout current
XD
prime pine
Its not like they care about fire storm
stoic breach
Yeah it was a stupid idea to begin with
stoic breach
Thats what it does currently
solid hinge
it probably wont be 450rpm anymore
prime pine
They never really gave up on firestorm as they never cared with it from the start
stoic breach
Its probably gonna be reduced
solid hinge
They gave it that one update
Where they added boys AT
then they went fugeddabout it
stoic breach
Remember how DICE mentioned Firestorm roadmap
solid hinge
fuck im almost out of milk
stoic breach
autumn bane
it says ag is still 4btk on the notes
coral fiber
Lol
solid hinge
Slower rate of fire though
autumn bane
hmm
devout current
Dont you think there should be a buff in the spitfire's control?
stoic breach
The patch notes states its a headshot balance weapon
prime pine
You need milk for tea
jovial scarab
what does btk stand for
stoic breach
Which is fucking stupid
prime pine
And tea is awesome
coral fiber
IMMERSED
prime pine
Bullets to kill
solid hinge
It says AGM shoots slower than m1a1 now
jovial scarab
sweet thanks
solid hinge
stoic breach
Dude legit this update is gonna kill the game
prime pine
Im going to be very harsh here and please forgive me.
autumn bane
they shudv listed all rpms
prime pine
We all need to stop bitching about this update and wait until it comes out. I am fucking pissed about it too. But we may as well sit and wait.
stoic breach
What the fuck even
devout current
XD
solid hinge
it's a recon buff
devout current
ffs
solid hinge
bolt action plus revolver is best class now
prime pine
Everyone bitching about this update does every ones fucking head in
stoic breach
Nah
solid hinge
revolver is gonna beat half these guns
stoic breach
Bolt carbine plus revolver
autumn bane
ye
coral fiber
devout current
Did anyone listen to what @prime pine said?
solid hinge
long range revolver is gonna be SICK
autumn bane
the mab looks rly attractive though
prime pine
Im going to go get ready for sleep
solid hinge
Please let this be Bodie's dream
stoic breach
5BTK MAB is a nerf
coral fiber
check mate dice
solid hinge
Wake up and save us
stoic breach
This update is just mind boggling
coral fiber
Oh yes
autumn bane
and since u dont need to ads with mab, tht cuts down kill times by 120ms
coral fiber
Guess who's not gunna play infantry anymore :D
autumn bane
its a shooting game , im playing infantry 95% of the time
coral fiber
My joy of flying planes was dying but looks like imma go back
devout current
Lol
Flying a plane is fun
xD
especially when you fuck somebodys tank up with the bombs..... ah good memorys
xD
devout current
Ikr
stoic breach
Good fucking luck coordinating planes on console
stoic breach
At least PC gets chat box
devout current
Oh shit true
xD
im pissed of because they havent added a story for the pacific for war storys
stoic breach
Thats the least of the game's problems
There should've just been no war stories
Waste of time and effort
stoic breach
Frostbite engine cant even handle singleplayer
devout current
holy shit i made my finger bleed xD
Warning: Do no be lik me i dikhead c; (p.s. grammar not included XD)
half wolf
Tfw dice makes LMGs only effective out to 15m
icy sluice
I think that we can all agree that SmƶrgƄstƄrta is a must try Swedish culinary experience.
prime pine
The fuck is that
icy sluice
icy sluice
It's more of a cake
gray saffron
Zomg, bayonet for m1 garand, guns sound more sandboxy now, aerodrome possibly less snipey. Can't wait to try it out
Hi bodie xd
I see shrimp, i approve that dish.
How ya doing, bodie?
icy sluice
It was in the patch notes, so it's somewhat relevant to Battlefield
That's my argument for not getting warned by an admin lmao
gray saffron
Ah, must have read over it. Seems like a complicated dish to make xd
prime pine
Im a bit. Annoyed right now. But other wise im fine. Had a fucked match with my friend earlier.
You know what we did
icy sluice
You fucked?
prime pine
We got in tanks on opposing sides (due to a glitch)
Yes mac. I fucked my friend.
Due to some squad glitch it put me on the other side. So i took a panzer IV and he was in a valentine mkviii. Lemme say it was extremely awkward passing by each other and not killing each other.
prime pine
Im gonna say
It was the most temping thing to shoot his engine
I did accidentally hit him with my shell when i meant to blargh him with my machine gun.
shy badger
I would totally shoot him in the vack too
prime pine
I also forced myself onto his churchill and his team saw it all
fleet bloom
maybe dice are making all automatic weapons dogshit so bolt actions don't seem bad, big brain THINKIN from dice 
gray saffron
I always try to knife my friends if they get put in the other team. They don't like that :(
prime pine
I always try to bayonet charge mine
No remorse
How are you anyways jer and blackout
gray saffron
You forced what? You mated with his tank? That kind of crossbreeding is dangerous!
gray saffron
Im good, i like the patchnotes :(
prime pine
"Help, He's on me team"
shy badger
I hoped to get more info
prime pine
Thinking of it in a broader spectrum its really fucked
shy badger
Like about op sandbox and community games
prime pine
I dont want to get into a whole fuckfest with the ttk btk bullshit. Its really aggrovating
Aggravating
shy badger
"Smg-lmg" ha
gray saffron
Tbh the weapons changes are part of op sandbox. Each weapon of choice has its own playstyle now. Before it just felt "pick better rof or go slower for more range"
brave coral
Thereās definitely another wave of balance coming
warm egret
sigh
brave coral
I do see what you mean @gray saffron and I agree
shy badger
Is it actually jer? I was kinda hoping for more
brave coral
Just think theyāve gone a little too far potentially in some places
solid hinge
Most of the weapons arenāt changing much, itās just the MMGs/LMGs, and the fast firing weapons
prime pine
Im going to put my thoughts out here. The major limiter of the weapons was their recoil. If they're going to decrease the range massively and leave the recoil unchanged frankly they're going the wrong step.
They should decrease recoil for all the weapons if they pull this shit off
"Recoil in bf5 is piss easy to control"
Still doesnt change the fuck that its a thing that limits range
Fact
Not fuck
sonic otter
hows about they finally release the Private servers before 2020 lol we'll adapt to guns, but the comp and community side have been shit on since they started with out RSP (private games) and now I doubt we'll see it until 2020. Big ball drop.
brave coral
I think they are changing recoil values
prime pine
Hurrau
shy badger
I'm all for increased recoil with shorter ttk
sonic otter
"private servers in November"=bullshit
warm egret
On what type of weapons?
coral fiber
Ikr
shy badger
That's what made the fg great
coral fiber
Just as disspointed as you are
brave coral
Well given that itās currently December lol
coral fiber
My friends and i were so ready for custom dogfights
prime pine
I hope it isnt as bad
coral fiber
Then dice just give you the middle finger then delays it
prime pine
Im going to ignore this chat for a bit sorry. I cant deal with it all.
coral fiber
I feel you
sonic otter
@coral fiber same. weve been stuck fighting comp on 8 v 8 Squad Conquest which is fucking weak compared to the 32 v 32s we could host on BF1.
coral fiber
Fucking disappointed as hell
gray saffron
i mean, most people only really looked at 100m and went, it takes 13 bullets to kill a guy with an mmg, wtf! but if you check in-game (https://i.imgur.com/FZxvwYC.jpg) you realize, that 100m is pretty much popshooting at pixels. that isn't fun for either side. i hate those insta kill deaths from ranges where i could only really aim at a pixel. it makes sense if it's a recon that killed me, an proning mmger, not so much.
sonic otter
@gray saffron when they added recoil to the MMGs a few patches back it wasnt sooo bad. Fixed the Laser MG42 for sure.
brave coral
Yeah 100m is actually quite far
viscid crater
I've noticed it's harder to see people in games now. I'm always needing to use like at least a 2x scope
brave coral
#gitglasses
I donāt have much of an issue at any range that Iād be using most weapons at
viscid crater
Plus the red dots in BF5 are fucking stupid with dirt and glare and they're dark
shy badger
They were even worse before
brave coral
I actually prefer using irons on basically all weapons outside of bolt actions
shy badger
I'm weirdly excited to try the changes
brave coral
Yeah same
brave coral
Also opportunity for a bit of a social experiment - a friend of mine will never have experienced the current/old TTK
main grove
I'm curious about changes to the other ARd
brave coral
As he only just bought the game
main grove
And LMGs
gray saffron
same. i think it's gonna be fun. every gun is gonna feel different and viable for different situations
main grove
Does madsen stay as a 5-5
brave coral
So I might like not tell him and see what he thinks of it
shy badger
I think he wouldn't mind dr
main grove
Oof
solid hinge
Everything seems.. arguable up close
shy badger
It was 4 4 before no?
main grove
Thoufh all guns now do less damage up close so
I guess it won't change relative TTK much
The recoil best be a lot more conformable
main grove
Every gun that isn't an automatic hasn't changed right?
buoyant fossil
The MAS takes 4-5 shots to kill
buoyant fossil
And the reload was slowed but it's bullets are faster
solid hinge
It's always had fast bullets
buoyant fossil
bullet velocity
buoyant fossil
it got slowed down
solid hinge
That's how it currently is compared to the turner
buoyant fossil
but a faster reload
solid hinge
They just repeated it I think
buoyant fossil
yeah
solid hinge
Comparing it to the Turner cause it comes immediately after it in the list with the same damage stats
strong wolf
I have origin basic but I am already at 11 hours of gameplay. Not sure why I am still able to play bfV
solid hinge
Sars have had damage and rof changes, shotguns have had a damage range decrease, SLRs have had shrunk rof
main grove
Of course reddit comment section is whining like the piss babies they are
gray saffron
@strong wolf bfv is on basic. you can play it infinitely for your entire sub duration
strong wolf
@gray saffron oh that's cool
main grove
WAAAAA CHANGEEE
buoyant fossil
I think it's ass
haughty pawn
me thinks the m1a1 will have a comeback 
shy badger
We can now disable the glow of soldiers
main grove
When the fuck are you gonna be shooting at someone with the FG42 in a range that would make you do 13 damage
buoyant fossil
plus the max range for it to be effective is 15m
shy badger
It's pretty good for content creators
viscid crater
Headshots dawg
solid hinge
5btk 670rpm is now slower than 4btk 600rpm, which the ls26 is
they made it worse at killing up close than the longer range option
main grove
They want to return to BF1 levels of strict damage ranges
gray saffron
i'll prolly keep the glow on though. visibility > realism in that case ;D
buoyant fossil
Ls26 was ok in general
solid hinge
guys
haughty pawn
imo 5.2 will suck for all who can't aim,not soooo much change for the rest,guess we'll see
main grove
Where guns are useless outside of their recommended range
buoyant fossil
they didn't need to nerf it
coral fiber
I want them to get rid of the glow
buoyant fossil
Breda is gonna be ass
coral fiber
Give me realistic camo again lol
solid hinge
how to convience my mom to buy me ea acces for year XD
everything faster firing has lower damage; they're making everything have similar kill times but then faster stuff is shitter at range
main grove
Did the RPM for FG42 go up?
raw orbit
Dawn of the final day 
buoyant fossil
no
solid hinge
Theres an option in the settings to remove glow
buoyant fossil
the rpm didn't change
coral fiber
Really?
solid hinge
I dont think it changed
gray saffron
put a gun to he...no wait, that might be a bit extreme. just ask it for christmas and don't get any other gifts ;D
solid hinge
Yeah its in the patch notes
haughty pawn
no notes about rof changes
solid hinge
option to remove glow
viscid crater
Glow for what?
icy sluice
Soldier glow
shy badger
Player soldier glow
coral fiber
Dice give option to remove distance haze pls
buoyant fossil
The only thing that change for some weapons were bullet velocity
coral fiber
Imma turn it off holy hell
solid hinge
they didnt mention rof changes but multiple semi auto weapons are getting them so theoretically automatic weapons could get them too
coral fiber
It looks so unnatural
icy sluice
By the way
If you go to spectator mode you can see how it looks without the soldier lighting
solid hinge
They just didn't include them
buoyant fossil
The haze is ass especially on hamada
icy sluice
It helps a lot really
main grove
FG42 was an overused gun anyway
solid hinge
For some reason
coral fiber
Now they need to do something about distance haze
viscid crater
Luckily I have a mod pack for semi weapons lmao
solid hinge
Fg42 isnt that great
main grove
It had no recoil for its RPM
buoyant fossil
It ahs recoil
main grove
One thing I don't understand is Stg 1-5 doing 6btk now
sonic rampart
Does it take 5 bullets in the effective range?
coral fiber
Imma need to play this first before i give my final opinion on it
main grove
Wait
buoyant fossil
20rd was god tier
main grove
Does RPM upgrades now reduce damage?
coral fiber
Still skeptical
sonic rampart
Yes
buoyant fossil
now they fucked it
brave coral
Yeah 6BTK start StG1-5 is dumb
shy badger
ey fellow 20 round user
solid hinge
only on ZK
main grove
They had the right idea I think
gray saffron
i wonder if the m1 bayonet replaces anything or just adds a third spec tree
solid hinge
cause ZK rof increase basically made it a different gun
main grove
But the numbers are too harsh I think
buoyant fossil
At least suomi players will die out now
main grove
I would have liked a toned down version of these changes
coral fiber
Yeah fucking hell lol
sonic rampart
Suomi big mag tho
shy badger
It might be instead of the heavy load jer
viscid crater
was that 5-13 bullets to kill?
solid hinge
They added garand next to the 300rpm 3btk weapons in the notes so maybe heavy load is default now
shy badger
And just make the gun with it by default
sonic rampart
Grease gun is 3 btk
viscid crater
Garand is a laser beam
buoyant fossil
not really
sonic rampart
With these changes the Grease gun will be good
coral fiber
And heavy load will be replaced by bayonet
brave coral
@main grove agreed, some do seem a little over the top
main grove
Yeah because grease gun is like 450 rpm
sonic rampart
Oh
buoyant fossil
The garand has recoil at long range
autumn bane
450rpm at 3btk is still fast
main grove
But it'll drop off fast I imagine
brave coral
But thereās another version in the works which is apparently a balance of both
main grove
Mini chauchat
solid hinge
If grease gun is 3btk with these stats itll be fuckin 350rpm or something
buoyant fossil
over hyped to hell
main grove
Oh my god grease gun is gonna be like a much less painful RSC SMG
shy badger
Why it's fun in most games
buoyant fossil
PPSH 43 is better
buoyant fossil
It was
shy badger
It wasn't a suomi clone
gray saffron
ah maybe yeah, @shy badger
buoyant fossil
The 43 was a economical 41
main grove
It was heavily inspired by the suomi
buoyant fossil
Much better and cheaper
plain temple
The Russians tried to copy it
But pretty much steered off course and did their own thing
Now we have the daddy
buoyant fossil
Yeah but they mostly used the Mab
buoyant fossil
Remember no xp is gained in RSP
feral grotto
does anyone that fly on Iwo Jima got a stutter everytime (at least as a jap) that he approach the supply area? (and sometime diving on the eastern side of the map)
buoyant fossil
š š
shy badger
I noticed it today cKy
buoyant fossil
I get the stutter both as the US and Japan
feral grotto
fking horrible..
buoyant fossil
Almost 3 weeks now
shy badger
But it happened not just near the supply area
buoyant fossil
annoying
shy badger
But pretty much everwhere
buoyant fossil
yeah
feral grotto
not to mention that the 40% 150ping + were in the server
that made it really "stable"
solid hinge
5 more days
buoyant fossil
Especially when you get a kill
viscid crater
Get him on that second burst
viscid crater
It makes sense
slate oak
Iād like the 5v5 weapons to be like.. actually added
buoyant fossil
Even when the second burst comes out you'll be dead anyway
regal sapphire
sure
solid hinge
It makes the left side spec on the breda useless
slate oak
Iāve been waiting for the Chauchat and the Sjogren to be finally added too
buoyant fossil
5v5 weapons won't come until 3 year's
solid hinge
No point having a tighter burst if they dont die in one burst
regal sapphire
^
solid hinge
Now it's just gonna be used as a bootleg auto
viscid crater
It would be too over powered.
regal sapphire
It was fine before?
solid hinge
They currently die in one burst and it's not overpowered
if anything it's a bit shit
buoyant fossil
the gun was below average
solid hinge
Recoil is meaty on it
buoyant fossil
You can do good with it but that recoil hurts
viscid crater
Be one shotting everyone
buoyant fossil
Goes to the sky
solid hinge
It janks sideways so hard
buoyant fossil
Now
coral fiber
MEATY
main grove
I use it at close to med range
coral fiber
goddamit why
buoyant fossil
10rds
coral fiber
Sometimes i wonder why i still play this godforbbiden game
buoyant fossil
RO2 had it
prime pine
So
viscid crater
the SVT?
main grove
That would be balanced in the weirdest way
prime pine
Good news
buoyant fossil
yeah
solid hinge
Semi auto breda is basically just m1a1 but worse
prime pine
coral fiber
Already posted it here :(
shy badger
They're targeting december 9th
prime pine
Oh
buoyant fossil
remember no xp is gained in rsp
gray saffron
reposter bodie! š ;D
shy badger
It'll probably be delayed again
buoyant fossil
sadly
prime pine
Password servers only
buoyant fossil
Delayed next year
prime pine
Im off. Sorry.
coral fiber
I can't trust then anymore
delicate herald
Lol
buoyant fossil
NICE
buoyant fossil
Also don't forget your gas mask
coral fiber
I am le angry
buoyant fossil
They probably huff the gasmask every day
Just to get that high and make the armory last for 5 weeks
coral fiber
Welsh saying that community games is coming on December 9th makes me laugh so fucking hard
buoyant fossil
Watch it be delayed to next week
Why do i have two goggles
I'm not a scientist at a school dice
dense bone
@main grove that sounds like a lot of work for fps cosmetics
fleet bloom
wait LOL are you serious, no xp ? do you got proof of that ?
buoyant fossil
No
That's my theory
Because who knows
Dice fucks alot of people over nowadays
fleet bloom
i don't think dice are THAT dumb
glossy locust
how's the new ttk
coral fiber
Im just pissed about community games
glossy locust
oh i thought it was
shy badger
It'll be out tomorrow
coral fiber
Lol
fleet bloom
@glossy locust everything but semi autos and bolt actions are dogshit further than 15m
brave coral
@buoyant fossil donāt say something as a fact which clearly isnāt
glossy locust
I honestly see 2-3 hackers nightly on US east servers lately so I haven't been playing
brave coral
Because I know this is based entirely off that accidentally shown UI which has been in the game around 2 months and theyāve said is incorrect
regal sapphire
How fast did they revert the TTK back in last December?
coral fiber
I see no hackers
shy badger
Pretty fast
glossy locust
na west you think would be worse
dense bone
no i dont, but i hardly notice anyone doing good to where im suspicious
shy badger
But it wasn't as hard to implement as this one
regal sapphire
Hopefully it'll be pretty fast this time again..
shy badger
So you shouldn't get your hopes up
fleet bloom
i hope ttk kills the game for a month and people play BF4 again so i can unlock the shitty assignment weapons 
regal sapphire
Honestly, the last attempt was alot smarter than this one
glossy locust
look I honestly didn't see many until pacific it seems like they are in full servers all the time now
buoyant fossil
My hopes are down the drain with RSP
shy badger
It wasn't really
glossy locust
particulary when conquest grind was out
dense bone
if there are tons of hackers in my games and they arent doing better than myself they are shitty hackers
regal sapphire
Atleast we didn't have shit as 5 btk 4 burst weapons yet
glossy locust
i think denying the hacking problem is kinda silly at this point, it's the most hacked game I play
buoyant fossil
yep
dense bone
im not denying it really, i just hardly come across them
shy badger
Same here nyph
glossy locust
even influencers like jackfrags mention it
shy badger
I'm talking about the obvious aimbotting ones
dense bone
honestly though, i think most people crying hacks are just bad
shy badger
Surely there are a lot more that I don't notice
dense bone
i get called a hacker probably every other game
glossy locust
yeah it's because of hysteria
you see a rager and no everyone is
i'm talkign i see ragers probably once a week lately
like no question they are becuase they are spinbot headshotting everyone in the server
viscid crater
Most people are just bad at the game
buoyant fossil
My back hurts from carrying the team
viscid crater
Always carrying the team buddy
glossy locust
most people are sure, the hacking problem is very well documented in BFV and from playing other shooters I never notice it in those
buoyant fossil
I pulled a 70 bomb from using the sherman with the 105 on iwo
solid hinge
The load in distance is so bad on ps4 that I just got killed by a type 10 that didnt exist until the kill cam zoomed in
buoyant fossil
we won
half wolf
Press F to pay respects to the FG42
regal sapphire
F
viscid crater
I've never used it
shy badger
You were missing out
half wolf
It used to be a ton of fun
buoyant fossil
fuck that gun
half wolf
Now itās a āsmgā
regal sapphire
Oh it's already fucked
half wolf
Did DICE buff ammo capacity
glossy locust
people that say "I never see them" you are part of the problem saying stuff like that encourages DICE that your anticheat is working when by any metric it is not
half wolf
At least the M1919 isnāt too badly ruined. Still gonna stick with maining bolt action medic.
viscid crater
Yes
shy badger
I'm trying to paint the picture as I see it, I in no way, say there isn't a problem
glossy locust
let's not be facetious here no one sees cheaters in every game
has it been much worse in the last two months
?
shy badger
And I know Dice are fully aware there is
glossy locust
unequivocally
regal sapphire
I honestly have never seen a blatant cheater in any of my BF5 career
half wolf
@glossy locust as of late I see blatant cheaters in probably 2-3 games a night
viscid crater
Me either
half wolf
Itās all a crapshoot
viscid crater
Well on PC yeah
glossy locust
well no shit, console doesn't have hacks...
half wolf
Some weeks Iāll never see anyone, others every single match has someone
viscid crater
But console I've never had that issue
regal sapphire
I've seen non blatant ones like 5-6 times in my 450 career
I don't play on console :P
I play PC, Na east or SA
half wolf
Are there any LMGs or MMGs that are still viable?
buoyant fossil
Bren, M1919
glossy locust
nobody really knows how bad the new TTK will be without testing it
regal sapphire
Hopefully tomorrow's update gets delayed
viscid crater
It will be fine
shy badger
You can get a pretty good grasp though
viscid crater
They always change shit and I never really have an issue
shy badger
Kht has done an analysis with the ms change
half wolf
Assault semiautomatic rifles look to still be okay.
glossy locust
yeah similar shitstorm for the bf1 ttk and it actually made the game better
no quesiton
solid hinge
Yeet tomoro is update time
half wolf
So itās really just support and medic getting yeeted
shy badger
Wait what bf1 ttk?
solid hinge
gon b good
shy badger
It shortened it?
regal sapphire
5 BTK 4 burst rifle
glossy locust
i'm pretty sure it increased it
regal sapphire
That's all I have to say
shy badger
hmm
glossy locust
bf1 ttk 2.0 or whatever
shy badger
I think they made guns more accurate but I wasn't following the game at that time so I'm not sure
half wolf
@regal sapphire semiautos, the ARs are fucked
dense bone
ive actually came across more hackers in apex legends than bfv, and i have way less hours in apex
fleet bloom
dice should give supports bolt carbines so they are not entirely useless
half wolf
And theyāve reduced recoil across the board
AgIn
Guns already have no recoup
Recoil
glossy locust
I don't think i ever saw one in apex but only played it for literaly like 10 hours max
viscid crater
That's good for me lol
glossy locust
i have never seen one in fortnite though
not once
with 10 million concurrent
at least not a rager
dense bone
ive luckily had the hackers as teammates
even though we lost because he would solo fights and eventually die and leave us as a duo
glossy locust
hell i hardly ever seen them in CSGO anymore dude
with prime and trust factor i barely see them
viscid crater
I played with a guy who would boot the entire server on xbox in ranked on BO4
shy badger
Probably because your trust factor is high bryjoe
viscid crater
Shit was hilarious
devout current
;-; aint this a fucking battlefield only xDD
glossy locust
toxic then?
glossy locust
then why you have low trust
hot drum
Rip mmgs
shy badger
I was the friendliest out of all my friends and I had the lowest TF
hot drum
You wont be missed
royal gull
I'm liking what I am seeing of the weapon changes
shy badger
I'm not sure, but I think it's because I played at lower ranks than my skill level
I constantly got called a cheater
glossy locust
why low skill though
royal gull
I just hope that the Garand bayonet doesn't replace heavy rounds
shy badger
It wasn't as if I was smurfing though, it was my main
glossy locust
you let rank fall
royal gull
I still want a 3HK at all ranges
shy badger
I played with lower ranked friends and my rank, well, dropped
solid hinge
I think heavy rounds might be default
midnight nimbus
yeah this is completely different from BF1 TTK 2.0 lmao
glossy locust
playing with lwoer ranked friends is smurfing though
solid hinge
They grouped it with the big boys in the patch notes
polar totem
Think I need to stop looking at r/battlefield
shy badger
Not really, we just 5 manned
glossy locust
i know you ahve done analysis or whatever
royal gull
Also it seems like the MP40 will still be effective at close to medium ranges
shy badger
I used my main account too
sand smelt
I'm new to bfv, I have a gtx 1050ti, any recommended settings to make the game smoother AND look good?
glossy locust
can we play the game before we make judgements
shy badger
What was the bf1 ttk 2.0 in a nuthsell
midnight nimbus
non Automatico SMGs and LMGs got 4BTK up close
pastel lion
Yeah heavy load is probs default bc they added a bayonet to the M1 Garand
midnight nimbus
so the difference between slow RoF and high RoF was much much smaller
SLRs and LMGs got better at range
polar totem
People are crying about how the FG-42 is apparently āuselessā
glossy locust
kht would you also say that the cheating has been worse in the last two months, maybe than ever in this games lifespan
royal gull
Where did you see that?
shy badger
It's confirmed ayla?
regal sapphire
Kht what's your opinion on the TTK changes?
main grove
Obviously heās gonna hate them
sage lagoon
I am excited for the patch
glossy locust
he made a reddit post basically says they are shit
sage lagoon
I donāt agree
main grove
Less damage bad
regal sapphire
Of course you don't nooby boi
shy badger
I can't say I'm not excited
main grove
Thatās pretty much what most people think
sage lagoon
Less damage at range
shy badger
But not because I liked the changes
visual blade
Bayonet coming to the garand? Hell fkn yes boys
polar totem
Although I still think that damage graphs donāt beat in game experience
viscid crater
^
glossy locust
i do agree with developers that getting lasered by mmg and then the kill cam shows them on their belly is really just not fun, I don't care how "tactical" it is
sage lagoon
They want to make snipers viable
regal sapphire
Zir, the Breda PG, a gun that has a 4 round burst, is going from a 4btk to a 5btk
Not at range
main grove
Tommy takes like 1.5x more bullets to kill
regal sapphire
Just normally
main grove
IT ALREADY FEELS LIKE AN INSTANT
viscid crater
You can have damage graphs all you want and I'm still going to shit on you
main grove
Adding a multiplication to a really small number
regal sapphire
So you don't agree with facts? lol
main grove
Is still a really small number
dense bone
lets be honestly, not many people were landing all 4 bullets at burst to kill
regal sapphire
^
glossy locust
devs made some solid points about gameplay as it exists currently in their post. They may not be going about it in the right way, but they are correct about a lot of the unfun minute to minute gameplay in bfv
main grove
I donāt understand how people notice 100ms differences
polar totem
Iām holding judgement until I play the game and see the changes for myself
viscid crater
My accuracy is almost 25%
dense bone
ttk for breda will hardly change for most people
regal sapphire
The recoil was high on that gun, it was hard to master the 4 rounds on someone
shy badger
How can you not notice 100ms?
main grove
Recoil is nearly halved
regal sapphire
It's an extra bullet on a 4 burst rifle
The fuck you on
it makes the left tree completely useless
dense bone
people werent getting 1 single burst kill
glossy locust
well human reaction time is what 150ms at best? add in ping latency, monitor latency framerate latency? is 100ms really that much
dense bone
so they always needed another burst to kill
only people getting screwed by 1 more btk are people that could consistently land all 4 bullets in a single burst
polar totem
Maybe the changes will be worse than I thought, maybe they wonāt be actually that bad, time will tell
dense bone
and i bet thats not a lot of people
viscid crater
I play console so my latency is shit compared to PC obviously
Especially with a controller
main grove
I often got single burst kills up close with Breda
viscid crater
But I have a badass monitor which helps
regal sapphire
There's a thing called recoil control
glossy locust
latency is the most overhyped advantage of pc gaming
regal sapphire
Which you could learn
sage lagoon
I am excited to see what actually happens
regal sapphire
By using the weapon
sage lagoon
What it feels like
dense bone
i did
viscid crater
Well latency is key
glossy locust
watch some battlenonsense videos
regal sapphire
But now that's all in the garbo
dense bone
and i would be willing to bet theres not a lot of people out performing myself
viscid crater
It's how quickly data is delivered and received
Especially in an environment with large throughput
glossy locust
no you are probably in the top5% of players worldwide
icy sluice
lol
glossy locust
you have like a 2.2 kdr or maybe more now?
that would put you in that range on bf tracker
regal sapphire
I have a 2.5 k/d
glossy locust
anyone north of 2 is top 10% i think
regal sapphire
Most games I go 3-5 kd per match
sage lagoon
I am the bottom 35% but I donāt think thatās accurate anymore cause my K/D has been dramatically increasing since I started playing again
dense bone
stat wise theres not a lot of people that can say they would do better than myself
viscid crater
In bf4 I had 50k kills and like a 974 SPM
dense bone
and i wasnt 1 bursting people consistently enough to be worried about 1 extra btk
viscid crater
I haven't played much BF5
icy sluice
I have a 2.3 right now, mostly because I'm an aggressive recon lol
sage lagoon
Iāve increased my K/D has increased from like .85 to 1 in about a month
regal sapphire
Where's KHTs post?
dense bone
my kpm for breda is 1.8
glossy locust
reddit is the biggest overblown echochamber in the world and if you think the average person on there knows wtf they are talking about in terms of gameplay, or gun balance then you are mistaken
viscid crater
Compared to my BF4 of 900+
shy badger
My spm is also pretty low
dense bone
@viscid crater spm between bf1 and bfv is different
shy badger
But it's really gamemode depandent
dense bone
well between all games really
regal sapphire
š¤¦
viscid crater
It was BF4
regal sapphire
I can't believe there are people actually defending the new ttk
dense bone
in bf1 i had something like a 3k spm, in bfv im currently at 600
glossy locust
what do WE know about gun balance? They have analytics that track what players do how they play how they die where they go on the map
what guns they use
we know none of that shit
dense bone
i cant believe people think 1 btk for a 4 burst gun that hardly anyone is 1 bursting to kill is gonna make a big difference
icy sluice
They do
regal sapphire
They clearly don't if they think ttk changes are needed lol
glossy locust
yeah drunkkz is one of the best players in the world
dense bone
glossy locust
or was
sage lagoon
I canāt believe there are people actually talking about the new TTK like they have actually played with it and know exactly what itās gonna feel like
dense bone
^
regal sapphire
I like how people bitched about assault being OP and they're barely hit by the nerf
glossy locust
they don't know shit
viscid crater
I saw
gray totem
Wake island for BFV tommorow š
dense bone
assaults only bring kill potential
gray totem
it is time my dudes
buoyant fossil
always crying about tanks and planes
shy badger
Wake island isn't tomorrow
viscid crater
600 is good though
dense bone
youd have better chance of winning going medic
regal sapphire
Except there are already stats out there for each gun?
glossy locust
even with how god awful DICE has been over the course of BFV i'd like to think they know more about gun balance and how their players play the game than we do
sage lagoon
No one can know exactly how good or bad it will be until the TTK patch is released so just be patient
viscid crater
Tomorrow right?
midnight nimbus
just run jungle carbine lol
sage lagoon
Who knows I might even hate it
midnight nimbus
or play in a vehicle
regal sapphire
Kht where's your post?
dense bone
i wish dice would just release shit without telling people, see if anyone even notices
viscid crater
You guys play with a lot of different shit than me lol so I'm just over here like, this don't really effect me
glossy locust
doubt you will notice. Probably only the top players will notice if that
midnight nimbus
just search my username
pretty noticeable changes though
if you don't notice them, idk what you're doing
shy badger
The changes are very noticeable
sage lagoon
So just sit your ass down and let it happen, and if tomorrow itās complete shit or itās really good, only then can we tell each other that we told each other so.
royal gull
Yeah STG44 still looks like a great all-arounder
midnight nimbus
yeah, Thompson will just feel like a shitty Type 100
dense bone
dont think many people will notice a millisecond difference in killing someone
viscid crater
Exactly
glossy locust
neither of you have played the game with the changes
main grove
Type 100 is already god tier at short-mid range
glossy locust
so basically just on symthic
main grove
No recoil at all
shy badger
I agree that everyone should try the changes before really coming to a conclusion though
main grove
Can hit shit consistently
dense bone
people like bitching š¤·
topaz dome
oh no, breda isn't a one burst kill now, time to retire it then
solid hinge
good god the game literally just eats your shots
viscid crater
BF5 is such an easy game though
regal sapphire
Wtf is the point of a 4 burst weapon with a 5 btk
main grove
Breda can still be used
midnight nimbus
well the performance difference between current Thompson and upcoming Thompson at 30m is similar to the performance difference between the current 1916 and MG42 at 0m
sage lagoon
Type 100 is actually ridiculously good at long range as well for an smg
midnight nimbus
so uh
main grove
You can still kill people with it
midnight nimbus
that's pretty noticeable
regal sapphire
You can outshoot it with anything else
solid hinge
peeked on a dude, had peekers advantage, we both shot at the same time with the same gun without missing but half my shots dont register and his does
sage lagoon
Oof
dense bone
again, not many people are 1 bursting killing with breda
regal sapphire
It's a learning curve though
topaz dome
you should be at close range
regal sapphire
That adds complexity to the weapon
main grove
I really donāt think whoever has the better gun really matters
solid hinge
i literally cant win straight up firefights
dense bone
close range sure
viscid crater
I don't think the point is to one shot people..
main grove
Itās who shoots first
midnight nimbus
yeah, you only hurt the players good enough to one burst š¬š¬š¬
main grove
Doesnāt matter if you have a fucking MP34 vs Suomi
dense bone
which is less than 5% of people
regal sapphire
Which takes time to learn
main grove
If MP34 gets the drop
midnight nimbus
well 4-5 -> 5-6 is pretty big
main grove
Suomi is dead
dense bone
which does suck for them, but the general complaint that it makes gun bad is silly
midnight nimbus
consider how frequently you can one burst injured players
main grove
Itās not all in the guns
viscid crater
4-5, and 5-6 is almost the same
solid hinge
next gen fucking when I want titanfall 3
main grove
Just because the guns are changing
midnight nimbus
and an extra BTK can make a sloppy player jump from 2 bursts to 3 pretty easily
glossy locust
so in a vacuum doesn't increasing the ttk, and more importantly increasing the value of headshots raise the skill ceiling rather than lower it
how could it not?
topaz dome
Breda has a 380 something rate of fire
regal sapphire
I might, but the game is not going to be nearly as enjoyable with near perfect non recoil nerf guns
dense bone
it does, but people dont want that
main grove
Titanfall is fun itās just too fast TTK for me
Way too fast
Like what the fuck is the point of soldiers wearing shit
viscid crater
That's why apex is fun and annoying
dense bone
its a BR, it should have high ttk
main grove
Ideal TTK in a game for me is just under a second
regal sapphire
Jesus just learn to play the game like it was intended
main grove
Like 600-900ms
regal sapphire
It's not hard
viscid crater
COD:MW is like the perfect TTK
midnight nimbus
ideal TTK depends on the game
solid hinge
@glossy locust in a vacuum, but this is a game where it's not 1v1 normally its 32 vs 32; getting multikills is going to be harder when guns need to reload more often
midnight nimbus
600-900ms in BF is literally disgusting
glossy locust
play modern warfare, get lasered from a window camper
midnight nimbus
where you frequently have to shoot multiple enemies
glossy locust
great game
main grove
Iām not talking about BF
viscid crater
Gotta be better than them
main grove
I mean I wish we could get a high TTK game that is not a BR
viscid crater
MW lol
main grove
Since everyone wants the ADHD fast TTK
midnight nimbus
Halo
viscid crater
Is literally that
solid hinge
that's why I like titanfall, cause titans have high TTK
solid hinge
best of both worlds
buoyant fossil
Doom
buoyant fossil
true
main grove
Halo is not even that relevant now even with the PC master chief collection
viscid crater
Red faction for playstation 2
main grove
Itās dead to me
solid hinge
delete a pilot with an smg that fires rockets in 0.2 seconds and spend 3 minutes in a shootout with a 12 metre tall hunk of metal
buoyant fossil
but the gunplay was fun
solid hinge
hnngg
glossy locust
is taking on multiple enemies and wiping a squad really what we want though
dense bone
i just hope dice sticks with making the game they want this time and doesnt cave into all the handful of people crying on forums thinking they are a majority
glossy locust
should you ideally have to kill a squad with help from your team
regal sapphire
They want? lmao
solid hinge
I hope dice know what they're trying to do
coral fiber
They're not ok
solid hinge
I dont want to be gutted because my team is shit
regal sapphire
Isn't the community more important than "What dice wants"?
topaz dome
they don't know what they are doing, they nerfed the spotting scope which is practically unused probably
main grove
Low TTK just attracts sweats and makes newcomers feel like Fucking ass
viscid crater
I think if you can take on an entire sqaud and win you should be able to do that.
dense bone
they already have sales, what do they care?
solid hinge
It's hard enough trying to 1 vs 4 on conquest when your entire team leaves the point as is, and its only going to get harder as it goes on
shy badger
There needs to a be a balance coutin