Yea and that's how iwo jima started because that leader hid in Tokyo and had those dudes hide in the volcano made into a fortress basically
#battlefield-legacy-titles
sturdy osprey
soft storm
Practically everyone in the government was let off
I think one of the prerequisites was that the royal family would be let off
In fact he was allowed to continue ruling with American overlook
Plus an American airbase in mainland japan
topaz terrace
Is there a set release date on the new wake island for bfv yet?
soft storm
December
topaz terrace
👍
sturdy osprey
I think the family was worried about the bomb dropping over Tokyo so that's why they stop fighting.
soft storm
Yes of course
The royals don’t care about their citizens
They are expendables to them
The moment they care is when they themselves are at risk
upper vault
The atomic bomb’s usage is very controversial
sturdy osprey
They must had thought they was invincible
upper vault
Dropping it over a city with a lot of citizens is not good, at the same time, invading a country with thousands of islands is also not good.
soft storm
That’s probably why we let them off so damn easy, but man I don’t know I think the highly declining birth rate in modern japan is a punishment enough
upper vault
The highly declining birth rate is a result of development tbh
sturdy osprey
Yea but what would happen if the WWII didn't end?
upper vault
Women start to get jobs and become more productive
sturdy osprey
You know what i mean
upper vault
If WW2 didn’t end and Japan got invaded by the US via land
It would take some time to get rid of the emperor
Also, the USSR would happen to have a variant of the atomic bomb
Due to spies within the Manhattan project
sturdy osprey
Yea it still crazy how they lost all of the carriers
soft storm
The issue was that the US would be much more fair, their fear was the shock and awe from the USSR if an invasion happened
upper vault
Japan did actually fear the USSR would invade
soft storm
USSR would quite simply just destroy everything japan had
sturdy osprey
So after Shoe was taken out. excuse my ignorance they should had stopped
upper vault
From Siberia to Japan
soft storm
The US would still be very impactful if a mainland invasion happened
formal valve
I’m still of the firm belief that the A bombs didn’t end the war
upper vault
Yeah
formal valve
It was the Soviet declaration of war
upper vault
But then remember Japan is an archipelago of islands
formal valve
A mainland invasion would’ve been a slaughter
upper vault
Even when WW2 ended, some Japanese officers still thought they were fighting the war
sturdy osprey
Well for the Japanese against the U.S. it indeed did
soft storm
It would’ve been a slaughter but the impact on japan would’ve been worse
formal valve
A months long struggle with potentially millions of losses on each side
soft storm
It would be the same issue that germany had during the Cold War
formal valve
If the brutality of the Japanese defense of simple islands was anything to go by
The mainland invasion would be a slaughter probably more devastating that D-Day
Or Any other beach landing of the war
If the Japanese fought to the end, it would’ve ended up like Germany
sturdy osprey
So the Japanese started it when wanting U.S. soil right? I still don't understand how it was started
formal valve
The Soviets coming from one side, the West coming from the other
soft storm
They wanted territory
echo turtle
Thought they went through due to the oil cut-off
sturdy osprey
So i was right.
formal valve
They bombed Pearl Harbor and also invaded multiple amercian territories on the same day
Wake Island, The Philippines, ETc
upper vault
Yeah.
sturdy osprey
Yea but they wanted a place to launch air superiority while being near the U.S.
formal valve
I honestly can’t believe that the garrison on Wake Atoll managed to halt the initial Japanese landing
upper vault
The leader of Germany didn’t want Japan to bring the US to war
But they went ahead and did
soft storm
The threat of western invasion was very real
It wasn’t until midway that this went away
formal valve
He said so in his book
He defo wanted war with the US
But he wanted to finish in Europe first
upper vault
Ah
sturdy osprey
You know though if they would had just bombed the ship yards in pearl harbor. Shit might had not been so smooth for U.S.
Like hitting the repair shop and oil lines
sturdy osprey
Because of the admiral order
soft storm
Realistically if it’s any consolation
sturdy osprey
He didn't want all the smoke to decrease visibility. Is to my understanding
Kind of ironic
soft storm
I doubt a US or soviet take over or assassination of the emperor would work
upper vault
Yeah
formal valve
You doubt a total take over of the island would stop them?
upper vault
Well I mean
soft storm
Considering we literally had Japanese soldiers fighting 20 years later
upper vault
It’s also a strength for Japan cause no country wants to fight in individual islands
It’s difficult,
sturdy osprey
Then i heard the Japanese carriers didn't have radar?
soft storm
Did like any
formal valve
there were 3000 Japanese In hiding on Iwo Jima who didn’t surrender until 1946 If I recall
formal valve
It was fairly new at the time
sturdy osprey
Well they didn't have something the U.S. had
upper vault
The US was probably more advanced I guess?
sturdy osprey
Like they couldn't detect within a certain distance. Like something like that
formal valve
Actually the Japanese for the first part of the Pacific war had more modern weapons and vehicles
And more of them than the US
sturdy osprey
The U.S. could cover more
formal valve
Yeah but not at the time
The huge industry didn’t really kick in until mid war kinda
upper vault
The US adapted tho
formal valve
Yes, but what I’m saying is we were at a significant disadvantage in the first year or so
sturdy osprey
So did Albert einstein work on the atomic bomb?
sonic rampart
^
upper vault
Probably
pastel lion
The Japanese dirn't have an SMG in service till 1942
sonic rampart
Germans were even better in dev
upper vault
And also, I don’t think so
formal valve
He was the mind behind how it worked, but he didn’t work directly in its construction
sonic rampart
But they couldnt keep up
upper vault
Robert J Oppenheimer was the lead of the Manhattan Project, along with some other guy
sturdy osprey
Imagine that project
upper vault
Albert Einstein predicted it
It all happened when Einstein sent a letter to Roosevelt
upper vault
Saying that there is a possibility germany can get such bomb
sturdy osprey
Damn
upper vault
And they were right
sonic rampart
Germans were developing the atomic bomb
upper vault
Germany was trying to make it with Heisenberg as the lead.
sturdy osprey
Yes but there was no evidence of Germany developing it right.
upper vault
When the allies found out that heavy water is useful in such project, they went after the facility
sonic rampart
There was evidence
formal valve
They didn’t really go with it tho @sonic rampart
sturdy osprey
Oh so they trashed it
formal valve
The production of it didn’t really go anywhere
upper vault
And the commanding officers in charge transferred the heavy water
upper vault
And the turning point comes when one of the resistance members bombed the ferry trying to transport it.
formal valve
But they concluded it was worthless
upper vault
After that the program went downwards in a spiral
sonic rampart
Pretty sure they didnt
formal valve
Hey didn’t want to expend more resources developing it
sonic rampart
They needed other stuff more than the bomb
sturdy osprey
The Manhattan project was a pain in the ass i bet
coral fiber
Ya know
That one elite in the game who shot down a zero seems pretty bs right?
It's actually possible
formal valve
They had time, they didn’t want to Work on it any more
formal valve
@coral fiber the Bomber Pilot guy?
coral fiber
The zero is pretty delicate
upper vault
When they used it, he died inside
coral fiber
Has zero armour
upper vault
Hey pilot guy, what are some maneuvers you use?
coral fiber
The zero sacrifices good protection for good maneuverability
sturdy osprey
I still can't believe that shit is possible to have a bomb go off like that. But yet it is
upper vault
It took a lot of effort from many physicists
formal valve
Also daily reminder about Pacific Storm meme:
upper vault
But then some of them were spies
coral fiber
It's outer metal skin is so thin that pilots trying to climb the zero could puncture the plane itself
sturdy osprey
When you think what it took to trigger that reaction
coral fiber
Making it difficult to get on
formal valve
Me chilling in the water between E and F at 2 HP:
The shark: 
sturdy osprey
😂 I've done that
coral fiber
So custom foot petals that could be retracted were fitted on to the plane to help pilots aboard the plane
sturdy osprey
Pilot guy what if.
They added the Lancaster
coral fiber
Since it had no armour ofc a single bullet could send to zero to flames instantly
It was shown in the pacific trailer
upper vault
I wish that Iwo Jima Breakthrough was a separate playlist
sturdy osprey
Yes i heard there is only two in existence
coral fiber
It also had no self sealing gas tank either
upper vault
Easy to bomb there and strafe
And also fun on breakthrough as infantry
Tanks also have a good time
Not many trees
sturdy osprey
Well tbh farming is common there.
Old McDonald* had zero
Lol
😂idc my phone has issue's
There
icy sluice
Demo memories inbound
flat lily
wich german tank is the best
coral fiber
Oh yeah the Zero had no hydraulic controlled alierons and elevator
icy sluice
Panzer IV
flat lily
thanks
solid hinge
What is the best long range sniper ?
autumn bane
kar98 or krag for best bullet velocity
hushed moss
@sturdy osprey eww
solid hinge
Ok thnx
sturdy osprey
Damn it
hushed moss
hushed moss
Katana is meta
sturdy osprey
hushed moss
Jungle carbine looking thick
solid hinge
flat lily
How to get katana
glossy locust
more hackers on last night
glossy locust
how does fortnite stay clean with millions more players and EA a multi billion dollar company
can't keep 15k concurrent players clean
flat lily
u mean leak EA wont invest in AC?
glossy locust
they probalby figure welp most of our base is on console so
flat lily
EasyAntiCheat is a really strong AC indeed
glossy locust
well apex still has issues
but i think it's because it's on source
i think a combination of it being on th latest unreal engine and using EAS
EAC
makes it really hard, like EAC can detect malicious code in Unreal engine quick
fact remains you play seige you play COD (which used to be the worst btw) you play overwatch you play pubg you play csgto
literally all of them are much better with anticheat
it's pathetic
didn't know that was even a thing
you can basically play bfv for free
might cost you 15 bucks
glossy locust
I am not really worreid about the ttk i think noobs will still get piked on
sturdy osprey
The new corsair skin is op 
glossy locust
i relaly don't like the recoil changes though
glossy locust
but they are out of touch like making the game more accessible does that even help a game
is csgo accessible
shit is fortnite
neither are
you get shit on for hundreds of hours
high skill ceiling is what makes a game thrive. However, I do think some deaths are infuriating in bfv. Dying from an MG in a corner feels terrible everytime it happens
sturdy osprey
This is battlefield sir no other games exist here
soft storm
I doubt dice is doing a good job
shell stone
I was wondering if it's possible to play matches against legitimate AI?
soft storm
I highly suspect this is a managerial decision
shell stone
Like in TF2
signal obsidian
there was a guy camping all match near C on the Devastation map and we completely forgot about him every single time
sturdy osprey
Well i waa excited for wake island but not now.
Why did they have to ruin it
Like the hype wasn't much in the begin with
signal obsidian
?
sturdy osprey
When campers camp you just swich to recon
signal obsidian
i love the bayonet charge
sturdy osprey
Shoot a flare above the church and reveal the enemie without a search
signal obsidian
killed two guys back to back with it and then knifed a camping MG
never felt so good
sturdy osprey
The screen shot looks like ps on bf4
They should had never shown it
There's ps from bf4
Here's wake island
See
north ravine
paracel storm and wake island are 2 different things
sturdy osprey
I know-___-
north ravine
wake island is pretty big
sturdy osprey
But they look the same
north ravine
not really paracel storm is just a bunch of islands wake island is a huge one
sturdy osprey
From the screen shots
Ok you win I'm gonna go yell at the wall
Is the grind gone tomorrow?
shy badger
Yes
sturdy osprey
😭 😭 😭
shy badger
And it only took me 7 or 8 games to win a single time
north ravine
they keep removing the fun gamemodes
icy sluice
Island and Island look same yes
solid hinge
they have to do limited time gamemodes
cos playerbase is too small to split
north ravine
don’t listen to a raptor
sturdy osprey
Everything is a LTM is at this point
north ravine
they don’t talk
icy sluice
Great deduction
north ravine
sturdy osprey
It still feels like beta
sturdy osprey
If they remove grind we remove lives
sturdy osprey
They can't stop us all in virtual reality
main grove
I think the idea is they know its popular
solid hinge
please god frontlines
sturdy osprey
The modes they have that are only gud is. Breakthrough that is permanent
solid hinge
rush is effectively a breakthrough variant as is
brave coral
Rush and Frontlines should be permanent
main grove
So they intently make it temporary to try and cause spikes in players
solid hinge
frontlines is actually different
sturdy osprey
But we want grind perma
brave coral
Squad Conquest could work if the player count was bumped to 32 or 24
north ravine
SC Is good to warm up
main grove
If they just release RS fucking P then we won't have all this
solid hinge
god I miss donination
brave coral
Grind I’m fine with being an LTM but they should have a better rotation
sturdy osprey
Squad cq should be replaced with grind change my mind
solid hinge
domination was squad conquest but without spawn camping, so better
brave coral
Or yeah, just RSP it
shy badger
Warming up in bf LUL
north ravine
I’d like them to add a game mode called commando’s where you destroy enemy airfieds and airplanes
they could do it in a map like hamada
sturdy osprey
Dice rn
brave coral
Sounds more like a SP mission
But Airborne as a stand-alone mode, probably LTM could be cool
sturdy osprey
They should do naval passage lol call it that
brave coral
Since Grand Ops is annoying and also dead
solid hinge
Their limited time modes arent even cool
sturdy osprey
Ship wars
solid hinge
They could be doing actual fun stuff
sturdy osprey
Well grind is
keen merlin
Does anyone else have the problem where nothing shows up in the server browser
sturdy osprey
But some of the permanent modes aren't fun at all
sturdy osprey
I would rather watch paint dry
main grove
The only problem is I imagine only sweats play on non official servers
brave coral
Outpost was pretty Zerg-y yeah
main grove
So RSP will be full of clan stacks
shy badger
I would like 'creative' gamemodes to be time limited
solid hinge
Outpost had ludicrous balancing issues
north ravine
Air superiority In bf5 pls
shy badger
Not iconic gamemodes like rush or solid gamemodes like FL
sturdy osprey
I'm waiting for the day you call them sweets lol
solid hinge
I liked it, but a single tank could shut down every outpost
There should be stuff like gun game
main grove
Didn't the post they made say that the Tommy's recoil is now pretty much halved to go with the less damage
solid hinge
yeah
brave coral
Oh
shy badger
The weapons are divided to 3 tiers*
sturdy osprey
Tomorrow is suck ass
north ravine
There shouldn’t be any limited gamemodes its not fortnite
We should have permanent gamemodes
shy badger
It was in bf3, and it was really fun
brave coral
Nah LTMs can be good but the current system isn’t ideal for them
main grove
They have to abide by the live service rules that they said when the game released
Fun fact
sturdy osprey
Watch it be outpost
brave coral
If you have a weekly rotation of several then it keeps stuff fresh and people look forward to playing one week
main grove
Live service only works if you stop making sequels and have 100% of the devs supporting the game
shy badger
Having too many gamemodes hurts the queue times
And makes many of them useless
EG bf4
north ravine
and that’s not happening ha @main grove
brave coral
I believe we are getting Outpost at some point this chapter
north ravine
outpost suck sss
brave coral
@shy badger agreed
sturdy osprey
But they could just make it perma -___-
solid hinge
main grove
You can't release games on a bi annual schedule and expect life service to work
brave coral
Nah if you have a bunch of fairly less played modes then they end up being really dead
sturdy osprey
This testing thing just feels like beta
shy badger
It'll probably feel like it too
sturdy osprey
When will grind return
north ravine
they’re still going with that TTK change?
main grove
Though I think the suomi would have made more sense
brave coral
Like in battlefront 1, stuff like droid run, supply drop, those weren’t easy to find games on later in the game’s span
sturdy osprey
80 years
brave coral
Suomi will be getting changes as well
main grove
Suomi should have been made a light recoil peashooter
brave coral
Hrec was too high on the Tommy
solid hinge
I dunno about that
brave coral
Personally at least
solid hinge
Tommy was pretty accurate for having 720rpm and 50 mag
I cant aim with it but like, it kills fast and has a big mag
brave coral
If you’re not using the 50 mag tree you don’t get ported barrel
sturdy osprey
So the tommy gun is gonna be meta more?
shy badger
Don't think so
solid hinge
It's getting a significantly slower kill time
brave coral
I think the specs that are locked to Light Bolt and big mags should have been swapped
shy badger
According to Dice, the tommy should have never been meta with the average engagement distance being 25m
sturdy osprey
It's getting it's recoile reduced
solid hinge
250ms to 330ms within 10 metres
main grove
Tommy is used by bunny hopping self heal spam medics
shy badger
But I really doubt they took into account that players who use the tommy gun already accepted the medics lack of long range capabilities so they stuck to close range
When I use it I rarely have a problem with medium range engagements since I never take them
That's not how the gun is supposed to be use
main grove
They need to release footage of it in action
I want to see how it controls now
And how fast it kills
sturdy osprey
When you throw a grenade as a revengeful attempt but remember you've switched to smoke grenades. 
brave coral
It’s still going to be fast up close
1/4 of a second to 1/3 of a second
Plus easier to control
shy badger
Up to 10m it's 330ms
brave coral
I think it will feel different, but still good
sturdy osprey
Dice 😌
solid hinge
An 80ms increase is really large when it used to be 250ms
solid hinge
oh dear
sturdy osprey
Now we phocked
solid hinge
what's the point of having a bigmag if it takes extra bullets to kill them
main grove
Tbh I don't understand ms at all
solid hinge
effectively gives you the same size magazine
main grove
Like what the hell 300ms
sturdy osprey
But that's after 100m
midnight nimbus
it's actually a lot worse than the Sten past 15m too
sturdy osprey
Right?
midnight nimbus
not just a little worse
main grove
0.2-0.3 seconds is barley perceptible
brave coral
Yeah 1000ms is 1 second
midnight nimbus
0.2 seconds is huge in fps
main grove
All automatic guns feel like they do around the same TTK up close
sturdy osprey
I said 100
midnight nimbus
take the worst CQB gun in the game, the 1916, and the fastest CQB gun in the game, the MG42
brave coral
I was co firming Ayluwu
midnight nimbus
the difference between those guns is less than 0.3s
if 0.2-0.3s isn't a big deal
why don't people just run the 1916 up close
brave coral
But that’s not the change
main grove
1 second is such a small amount of time
midnight nimbus
1s is massive in fps
brave coral
The change isn’t hundreds of ms, it’s 80
main grove
Unless it's a hyper fast FPS
brave coral
That is 8% of a second
midnight nimbus
83ms is the difference between current Sten and current Thompson
main grove
Like I don't have a fucking supercomputer brain
midnight nimbus
do you think the Sten is just as good as the Thompson up close?
soft storm
No
brave coral
You do know the Sten is being changed as well right?
solid hinge
250ms to 330ms is about a third slower
soft storm
If it had a damn silencer I’d say yes
solid hinge
It kills a third slower than it currently does
soft storm
They believe the sten is a powerhouse
solid hinge
That's a big change
soft storm
If this was Cod WW2 I’d say the sten is a powerhouse but it’s not
This is BFV
And it’s literally dropped ASAP
main grove
I don't understand how fast your brain needs to be to notice those differences
midnight nimbus
250 to 333ms is only a frame less than the difference between slow ZK and fast ZK
brave coral
It’s a large fraction of a very small number though so it’s still a small number
Inhumanly so @main grove
brave coral
Yeah I’d say so
solid hinge
if its on sale
midnight nimbus
to reference, the upcoming change is much larger than last winter's
cedar crane
Its 16 euros
solid hinge
Yeah why not
brave coral
Definitely then lol
soft storm
Never heard of a dev having an issue with players having favorite guns tho
cedar crane
Is bfv similiar to bf1
solid hinge
Is bfv similiar to bf1not rly
cedar crane
In gameplay
brave coral
But yeah they have also said they’ll do multiple balance passes after the change based on feedback and stats, because although they have put a lot of thought into it some stuff is going to end up being a little off
cedar crane
I mean
cedar crane
Ok
brave coral
Nah the gameplay is quite a lot faster
cedar crane
Are lmgs still op?
deft pine
yeah ones good and another isnt
midnight nimbus
how tf is BFV faster
brave coral
Bf1 had 10x scopes?
solid hinge
ye
brave coral
Oh lol
midnight nimbus
any half decent player has like 1.5x the KPM in BF1 than they do in BFV
cedar crane
and Gewehr sniper i think
solid hinge
there's more
cedar crane
What kind of dlcs does bfv have
brave coral
There’s no dlcs
drowsy basin
Hello all
brave coral
Just content updates for everyone
cedar crane
ok
soft storm
Look at Cod lmao
brave coral
So you don’t have to buy gameplay content through Premium or whatever
midnight nimbus
almost like you pay for what you get
solid hinge
source: number of maps in BFV compared to BF1
soft storm
I expect Ardennes tbh
main grove
Nope
brave coral
More content that in the long run ends up being unplayable as it’s locked to map packs, people move on from those, and it everyone has access to them
cedar crane
😦
main grove
Bfv thanks to its free updates is definitely more of a slow burner in terms of content
I don't know what I prefer
solid hinge
@brave coral no I still play the BF1 DLCs regularly
they are on weekly rotation
main grove
Don't forget the like 6-8 months of nearly nothing in BF1
solid hinge
this is on PC in EU
little raptor
^
main grove
Then a boom of maps
solid hinge
current BF1 rotation is Apocalypse
little raptor
Isnt BFV going through its relative boom of Content?
brave coral
If they can keep up the quantity and quality of content of the Pacific going forwards it’ll definitely be very good
little raptor
Starting with Chapter 4 :shudders:
shy badger
It's the first time Dice had tried this model
soft storm
They will not keep up the quantity
brave coral
It’s just starting yeah
main grove
But I don't think this is gonna be its peak
soft storm
If it’s any indication they are fervent in irrelevant gameplay changes
little raptor
not true, I think we're all way too tunnel visioned on the weapon range changes
brave coral
Funnily enough the map designers haven’t been working on rebalancing weapons
little raptor
which BTW, we gotta stop calling it a TTK change, its a weapon range change
main grove
Every automatic barley feels different
solid hinge
it is a TTK change still
shy badger
It is a ttk change
main grove
In terms of damage
shy badger
They've said it themselves
soft storm
Maybe if dice stopped making wide open maps
little raptor
For range, very specifically
soft storm
They wouldn’t be upset about weapon range
shy badger
Close range too
brave coral
The main purpose isn’t a TTK change though
little raptor
Close Range is almost unchanged
shy badger
Up to 10m the ttk for the tommy for example is 80ms longer
soft storm
What next are they gonna be mad about tanks camping and nerf their range?
main grove
It's more of an overall gun rework
soft storm
They can’t decided
little raptor
I say almost because I know people are going to- yep, the Tommygun is pretty much getting nerfed
solid hinge
Tommy up close is literally a third slower
ye
I dunno why they said they werent changing ttk
little raptor
the rest of the weapons are receiving very minor tweaks
solid hinge
Dice just lies
brave coral
Overall they’re not tbf
main grove
Fuck fast TTK anyways
soft storm
What dice wills is what happens, which is the single dumbest decision a game dev can make: the game you make on launch is yours but after it’s the communities
main grove
I hate fast TTK up close
solid hinge
we arent gonna change ttk guys heres an example of how we arent changing it
this gun is gonna kill a third slower haha
shy badger
Dice were contradicting themselves in their post
solid hinge
It looks more like a redo of everything
Which I'm okay with
Different specialisations and stuff
brave coral
Yeah TTK is still going to be quick just not as insanely fast at slightly weird ranges
shy badger
But hey, even with all the shady stuff going on, I'm still going to try it
little raptor
We havent seen the rest of the changes-- whatever, that wasnt my original point
solid hinge
I don't mind the changes
cedar crane
Whats bfv year 2 edition
solid hinge
Just that they showed it really badly
little raptor
my original point was- Since Chapter 4, DICE has been updating at a monthly rate
solid hinge
@cedar crane skins basically
soft storm
If the changes are as bad as the damn MG42 STG and Thompson I’ll be pissed
shy badger
Basically cosmetics and content you missed from year 1
little raptor
Its just that, you know, Chapter 4 was a disaster
cedar crane
oh ok
brave coral
It’s just the main game with a bunch of the weapons from the first year
shy badger
YOu can unlock it either way (besides cosmetics)
main grove
Why are people complaining that their hyper fast gun now only kills super fast
brave coral
Might be worth getting, idk how much it is though
soft storm
Don’t care about the Thompson not being king anymore I care more about the precedent
little raptor
the year 2 bundle is worth getting if you missed out on a whole chapter like i did
cedar crane
bf1 or bfv
brave coral
@main grove because they saw a meme on Reddit saying ‘change = bad’
cedar crane
Oh ok
little raptor
Remember, Reddit encourages outrage
clear bay
I usually play rocket league on controller bcs I always sucked with keyboard, should I play bf5 on planes with controller too?
little raptor
Yes and no
soft storm
Maybe?
little raptor
Yes to playing with controllers
soft storm
I mean I like keyboards
little raptor
no to flying planes in the first place xD
shy badger
Hardcore players fly using keyboard only
solid hinge
bf1 or bfvBF1 easily
BF1 feels like the sequel to BFV
its an upgrade even though it came out first
cedar crane
Kinda obvious but always try to get behind other planes and surprise is a good tool and usually helps u win a fight. these are for dogfighting and I use these in bf1 @clear bay
cedar crane
Im not a good pilot dont kill me pls
shy badger
Even more hardcore players use arrow keys to aim
little raptor
BFV is a riproaring good time
shy badger
As infantry
cedar crane
Oof
soft storm
Lmao
shy badger
I would agree about bf1s gameplay, I also don't like it
soft storm
That’s yikes
cedar crane
Idk im kinda shit too but just practise
little raptor
I cant fly either
sturdy osprey
Law you always salty
solid hinge
@main grove they care cause it kills at the same speed as the sten now, which is a colossal change
little raptor
I fly for 5 seconds before crashing
sturdy osprey
Lol
grand reef
@cedar crane at least your flying a plane i give up using keyboard
clear bay
Well I don't crash at least lol
cedar crane
Thx lol
Irl pilots were told to always finish a fight they started, get behind the enemy and fly so that the sun is behind them. (ww1)
solid hinge
battlefield doesn't have sun in eyes as a factor
midnight nimbus
@solid hinge actually flat out slower than the Sten
cedar crane
Thats what they were told irl
midnight nimbus
oh and it's the same at 0-10m I guess
soft storm
If it’s any indication, the changes to the Thompson reflect on what they feel the sten will be like
little raptor
aka, the intended range of the tommygun
soft storm
And they think the sten is powerful
midnight nimbus
no, Sten gets a different treatment
sturdy osprey
The Tommy gun is gonna be op on the bfv sub reddit next patch. Change my mind
soft storm
?
midnight nimbus
Thompson actually doesn't get nerfed as bad as most other guns
if that's an indication of anything
sturdy osprey
No the point is they cry about everything on reddit
The reduced recoil will make it op
midnight nimbus
Thompson currently already performs well at its intended range while being meh outside of it
so it's hardly like it needed to be rebalanced
soft storm
Exactly
That’s what concerns me
Not every gun needed a full retouch
There was def some guns that needed a look over and a touching up
little raptor
according to the devs, playtests tell a different story
solid hinge
these are the same devs who playtested breakthrough panzerstorm as being fine
soft storm
I’ve been in their play tests
little raptor
apparently the STG will be way easier to use
soft storm
They aren’t as good or well coordinated as you would believe
solid hinge
I like the changes because I cant aim already
soft storm
PopCap games make better shooters some times
little raptor
was there a previous Panzerstorm Breakthrough to compare it to?
solid hinge
So any recoil buffs suit me
midnight nimbus
these are the same devs where first sector of breakthrough Panzerstorm fell 100% of the time within like 3 minutes in their playtests lmao
undone tusk
STG easier to use
Flashbacks to open beta
solid hinge
First sector of panzerstorm breakthrough got a change a while back where they changed the location of the resupply point for defenders
solid hinge
cause in playtests everyone pushed so it was fine but in actual play everyone camps with tanks because otherwise you die
little raptor
we all saw kh's post on the reddit, but testing shots on a body with an aim bot (how the fuck do you have one lol) probably tells a different story than their playtests
midnight nimbus
@solid hinge no, because no one in the play tests knows how to play assault or tank properly
it's not a test in game
solid hinge
Even better!
little raptor
wait what, I thought you said in your post thats what you did
its just straight number crunching?
midnight nimbus
because you have 27 million shots fired
in ADS alone
per variant
or 25.5* million
soft storm
This whole dev team is just a yikes
midnight nimbus
81 million shots fired, per gun
unless it has a <15 round mag, in which case it's less than that
soft storm
Personally I thought they should’ve taken a huge balance patch at the specializations on the guns
shy badger
They're doing that too
soft storm
(Yes I know they’re doing that too)
little raptor
knowing how long its taking them add the ChauChat, I bet Specs are apparently a nightmare to code
midnight nimbus
like the Model 8 gets tested by firing 27 million shots
undone tusk
No he means, seperately, like test just buffing specs
little raptor
you got a source on that?
midnight nimbus
yes
soft storm
That’s what I’m saying
midnight nimbus
they're simple multis
brave coral
Nah the Chauchat I think they’re just randomly holding back for a long time
midnight nimbus
aside from things like extended mags, you don't need to do new animation work
brave coral
They were working basically at launch, someone had it in like January
soft storm
They’re holding back for a taking back of Europe thing
midnight nimbus
like adding enhanced grips to a gun would be extremely easy
brave coral
And a full spec tree which changed stuff
midnight nimbus
Chauchat was actually fine
soft storm
They’re gonna add the Chauchat when germany is on its last legs
little raptor
wait no, what on earth makes you say "oh yeah, game dev, super easy trust me"
they talked about the nuances that goes into it, from the animations (i know what you said) to the server
midnight nimbus
because I'm familiar with how the weapon designer does things?
little raptor
for the spec trees?
soft storm
Literally only the reload ones maybe
cedar crane
If I buy bfv will someone play with me tomorrow and teach me a bit. Im eu
little raptor
yeah, but Animations aint the only thing- from what I get, Spec trees require playtesting to make sure balance doesnt also go out the window
solid hinge
@cedar crane BF1 is easy
get the lewis gun, lie on the floor
get kills
soft storm
Lmao
midnight nimbus
wep designer goes off hitrates
solid hinge
same but MMG
shy badger
I can play bfv with you
solid hinge
oh boy
cedar crane
or are they as op
soft storm
Yes
solid hinge
yes it is
undone tusk
Yes
soft storm
LMGs camp hard
solid hinge
battlefield is floor game
don't stand up
lie on floor
MMGs can't aim unless their bipod is active
bipod up
cedar crane
solid hinge
Easiest way to get your bipod active is to lie down
soft storm
Literally every gun is enhanced by being prone
solid hinge
this is not a game for people who like standing up
little raptor
they need to add better areas to bipod your mmgs
soft storm
You’re actually encouraged to camp
topaz dome
works on bipod knives too
soft storm
Dice and IW both made a game designed for campers
solid hinge
in BF1
I lie down on the cliffs in Sinai
easy sniping all game
little raptor
speaking of, have any of you camped the right side of the last point on Iwo Jima?
as defenders?
its the best MMG spot
undone tusk
Unrelated question but do you think they should bring back sweet spots for bolt actions, and if so, would you prefer the BF1 version where it's a specific range per gun, or BF4 style where they one shot at close range?
little raptor
hell no
midnight nimbus
yeh
midnight nimbus
made them actually competitive to use
soft storm
Sweet spots made sense they needed tweaking that’s literally it
little raptor
fuck no, you become a massive target just for being out the in open
soft storm
Good?
solid hinge
yeah then don't be in the open lol
undone tusk
I personally preferred how they were in BF4, being able to one-shot at close range(just because it makes sense) but I liked the BF1 version as well
little raptor
hell fucking no to the sweet spot mechanic- aim for the head or hit someone twice
shy badger
I feel as if bf1s snipers were too easy
sturdy osprey
I will miss the grind tomorrow. I have never said this
soft storm
Not everyone can Stodeh
undone tusk
Hit someone twice with this games TTK? No
shy badger
It kinda ruined the class balance since people naturally gravitate more to the recon
soft storm
This is the reason why everyone uses the damn semis
solid hinge
even with sweetspot
snipers were still the weakest class by far
they need the buff
midnight nimbus
even if you are a headshot god, you're better off with something that's not a bolt action
unless you're a literal aimbot, use literally anything else
undone tusk
Or one of the Medic's bolt actions
soft storm
Hell if they made neck shots instant kills it’d be a buff
midnight nimbus
wait if you have an aimbot, just use the Lewis anyways
cedar crane
Would you guys like If Bf v added a new mode that takes place in finland in the winter and you have to defend with 20-30 people against 40-50 people but you have better weapons and good spots
sturdy osprey
Irl they are
little raptor
Then don't use the bolt actions, use the SLRs and get closer. We all hate the Anti Tank rifles, why would we readd the mobile version of that but with a fixed range
cedar crane
i mean the team with less players
midnight nimbus
the anti tank rifles are annoying because people who use them have to be prone and near invisible
not because they OHK
lol
brave coral
People dislike the AT rifles bc they’re campy yeah
little raptor
I'd happily take someone i have to find over someone i have to find that 1shots me
cedar crane
Does bf v have suomi kp or suomi submachine gun
little raptor
as in they're visible and wont run back into cover /s
soft storm
Smg
brave coral
Basically same reason as MMGs, but at least those aren’t insta kill at any reasonable engagement range
cedar crane
ok im deffinately going to buy it now
little raptor
big fuck no to Sweet Spot. BFV Sniping is fine as it is.
sturdy osprey
They should rework them.
If the ff can be gud against planes but shit against infantry. Then the boys AT should be gud against tanks and shit against infantry.
idle breach
well
if it was a gadget, yes
but it's primary so.. not sure
suomi has 20/50 box round
mag box mag
it's the fastest rof smg so far, can spec up to become a superduper close quarter hipfire people deleter
sturdy osprey
Seems like favoritism 
idle breach
or 50 round all-rounder just stupid overpowered smg
cedar crane
idle breach
but I think upcoming patch would change something big but
shy badger
I had someone today who absolutely memed on me with the 20 mag suomi
shy badger
It sounded like a fucking airsoft gun
idle breach
that shit was nerfed hard but "fast firing close range SMG" the concept itself is basically can't go wrong if you know how to close up
no it's like automatico before the nerf
with fucking 50 mag
sturdy osprey
If they change anything about the high explosives cannons I'm announcing my retirement
cedar crane
ok
idle breach
he cannons are overrated
idle breach
try just 4x20 cannon and go for engine upgrade
and medic got 4~5 smoke nades... so just
fucking nade enemy and make them smell the smoke
and incoming footstep of suomi medic
sound of death
cedar crane
sturdy osprey
Why doesn't the M1 have a bayonet
idle breach
"GOT A NICE GOOD MEDIUM RANGE GUN AREN'T YA! LET'S FUCKING MEET UP CLOSE AND PERSONAL"
cedar crane
lmao
idle breach
medic with rof hipfire suomi and good reflex/aim guys tend to do like
just smoke the shit everywhere
little raptor
idle breach
blocking even the friendlies sight and just
"don't worry, I'll just murder them all"
little raptor
I'm almost done specing every gun in the game
i havent touched the suomi in so long...
coarse oasis
I need to buy the Tommy Gun I've been using the grease gun for a while but it just feels so weak
I get that it's a good gun but just aesthetically it's not enjoyable
solid hinge
No worries
It's not actually that good
Easy to use but kinda pants
It's super ugly too
I dislike it
Tube gun
brave coral
Easy to use makes it fairly good though
solid hinge
Nothing wrong with being easy to use
brave coral
Yeah
cedar crane
Btw guys if you are interested in ww1 there is a movie called 1917 coming out in december. It has high budget and I expect it to be good they have released a trailer https://youtu.be/YqNYrYUiMfg
solid hinge
More accurate and larger mag plus bipod
cedar crane
Idk if links are allowed
brave coral
ZK is very nice with extended mags
brave coral
Tbh it’s nice with the RoF upgrade as well
solid hinge
As long as you're not advertising yourself or something
coarse oasis
Medic has a bipod gun?!
solid hinge
A movie sounds pretty good
It's got TWO bipod guns
One is significantly better though
brave coral
Well
coarse oasis
Which one is the good one
solid hinge
The ZK
solid hinge
Type 100 is a very odd gun
main grove
Type 100 has nearly no recoil
brave coral
I think it might fit in a bit better with BTK5.2
soft storm
It’s a proto assault rifle
main grove
But is a 5btk minumum
main grove
And it still fucks shit up
idle breach
not a super tech laser people killer but the laser gun dermatologists use to remove warts and things
main grove
So I doubt 5.2 Tommy will be crap
main grove
I wonder what's happening to stuff like EMP and MP28
brave coral
Lol
main grove
Or Bren
brave coral
Yeah I’m curious about stuff like the Bren and the Madsen
main grove
Bren should remain a 4 shot up close I feel
brave coral
As they’re designed as long range guns
soft storm
Honestly I wouldn’t be that mad if they slowed gameplay down a wee bit
Not as big as last year
solid hinge
Type 100 taking an extra shot to kill makes it barely worth having the low recoil
solid hinge
It effectively kills as fast as the sten
main grove
Fuck recoil
solid hinge
And it's not exactly more accurate than the sten
soft storm
The recoil in this game isn’t even that obstructive
main grove
ZK has a lot I feel
brave coral
I think the change is definitely better than last year
main grove
When fast
soft storm
It’s literally just going to make lasering people at range better
solid hinge
I relate to hating recoil
brave coral
Better thought out
solid hinge
Oh yeah if you make it fast then ZK has a bunch of recoil
soft storm
Hell headshot hunters at gonna like this probably
brave coral
Than just ‘what if we stick a 0.85 multi on everything’
solid hinge
Either the most accurate smg or the most accurate fast firing smg
soft storm
In fact if they nerf headshot damage in 5.2 this will officially be terrible
brave coral
Yeah ZK is very versatile bc of the specs
soft storm
Only buff it if anything
solid hinge
I personally dont like fast fire ZK because low mag and no hipfire specs
brave coral
Yeah I don’t think they’ll be changing HS multi
soft storm
Headshots at range are going to be the sinking power of AR’s and rifles now
solid hinge
But it's super good
brave coral
I prefer to have the ZK with 40 mag
runic solar
Yknow sometimes I wish I had a console so I could go like 60 and 2 because of the auto aim lol
main grove
I usually prefer low mag
I never find myself fighting lots of people at once
I avoid that crap
20 round MAB with accuracy
brave coral
Oh 40 mag is more because it’s locked insanely accurate on the ZK
soft storm
In fact shit
idle breach
we should be more realistic and
brave coral
@runic solar lmao I wish
soft storm
I think some skill players might enjoy an increased emphasis on headshots
idle breach
just like irl soldiers don't shove the mag full but
like
26~28 rounds for 30 round mag
or like 45 round for 50 round mag
"Historical authenticity"
solid hinge
People seem to get better scores on pc than console
I dont think I've ever been in a match with someone getting some of the heinous scores I see in pc matches
main grove
Only gun that goes against the trend is MP34
idle breach
why is many players so obsessed with "historical authendfacityif" but don't really care about things that matters like
soft storm
They get better scores on infantry
idle breach
DELETE THE RIBEYROLLES
soft storm
Generally if you’re a good player on console you’ll wreck console
idle breach
it was not even existed in WW2
soft storm
Look at SWBF2
solid hinge
MP34 low mag is kinda pants
soft storm
Actually no it’s cause SWBF2 on consoles is filled with kids