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sturdy osprey
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Ridiculous

coarse oasis
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are there game modes that limit medic pick up weapons or am I just really blind

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😭

sturdy osprey
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Well all are sometimes don't be so hard on yourself bro

gray saffron
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medic pick up weapons?

coarse oasis
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picking up weapons as medic from other classes @gray saffron

gray saffron
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oohh, no. there aren't any modes that disallow weapon pickup

sturdy osprey
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No but apparently my medic teammate can or anyone that revives me lol

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Like where is my trench carbine sir?

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Here's a sten

coarse oasis
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how does that work if they grab your weapon do you actually lose it when you get revived

echo turtle
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You're given the weapon they were carrying in their primary slot

gray saffron
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yeah, you can pick up the gun from the guy you're reviving and he gets your hun xD

sturdy osprey
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I think i don't know it has to be a bug

coarse oasis
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Lmao

gray saffron
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pretty sure it's not a bug ;D

coarse oasis
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man I can't wait to play some medic tonight

high cave
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Map design is pretty bad in v though

sturdy osprey
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😓 shit

coarse oasis
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been trying to really get good at smokes too

sturdy osprey
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That is really a thing? They get to take your weapon until you die?

gray saffron
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try to smoke the guy that's giving you a hard time. and if you smoke the area around a person that needs to be revived, wait a bit so they shoot, hit nothing and then run in. (as they usally give up and forgot where the downed guy is)

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yeap. just wait till they die and pick up your gun and revive them ;D

sturdy osprey
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So does it duplicate when you respawn if they haven't been killed?

solid hinge
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Oh boy final stand

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I NEED A GOOD SQUAD

sturdy osprey
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Dice: hold my server ☺

gray saffron
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what do you mean duplicate?

solid hinge
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I’m surprised we managed to have a draw on the third day

sturdy osprey
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Like if they take it and you die do you get it back if they haven't?

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Died

gray saffron
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yeah. if you die again and respawn you just get your gun back. and they'll still use the gun they took from your corpse

sturdy osprey
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😂

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Wtf

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That's so freaky

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Like the medic is like a golden trench carbine ima take

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I'm proud of my trench carbine I've been through the depths of hell to acquire it

soft storm
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I’m missing 30k CC from completing all the coop missions difficulties

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Wtf

sturdy osprey
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Damn ripped off?

soft storm
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Yeaaa

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No wonder I was broke

sturdy osprey
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I didn't think they charged you

soft storm
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No they don’t charge you

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You receive them as reward for completing them

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I mean, it takes almost 8k to fully level up all the specs on the new vehicles

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I want my damn CC

sturdy osprey
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Oh damn

soft storm
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Yeah

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That’s like 4 vehicles I could level up for the pacific

coarse oasis
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@sturdy osprey I got a 12 gauge automatic as medic on the squad vs Squad mode the other day and it was just so right

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everything was good with the world

high cave
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I still wish Berlin, Stalingrad, London, and a few others were maps

soft storm
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Please no more factions oh god

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Not right now Atleast

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I can’t even level up vehicles cause I didn’t get any damn CC

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Why does it cost 7500 CC to level up a damn tank?!

sturdy osprey
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I have 88k cc not much like other high rollers with 300k

soft storm
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Bruh how many hours do you have

sturdy osprey
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399

soft storm
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Bruh I have 320 and I only got 13k from the CC depression repayment

high cave
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Not more factions

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Britan and Germany already exist

sturdy osprey
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Why so low?

soft storm
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I don’t know

sturdy osprey
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You grind alot?

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I do alot of tdms

soft storm
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I only played TDM and Domination for the last 100 before they removed DOM

high cave
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I just don't understand why the map design hit such a low in v

sturdy osprey
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And assignments help too

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What rank are you?

soft storm
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62 cause I quit after the rank increase

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My 300 hours were before 4.4 which came with the rank increase lmao

sturdy osprey
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Hopefully they will Takejer

high cave
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Why is there such a sharp "learning curve" to this game?

sturdy osprey
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I'm rank 84

lavish raptor
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d

sturdy osprey
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Because it's battlefield

hushed hawk
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I am leaving this community, TTK change will ultimately further degrade BFV. Its been fun everyone. Good luck!

sturdy osprey
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A skill war in bf4 it use to be all skill

soft storm
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EA Support seems to think you can buy CC

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Uhhhh

high cave
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But all that ends up happening is a fucking squad of planes and tanks

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with the unbalanced mg

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just camp 400m back

soft storm
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“We cannot validate company coin on our end, only those purchase by players”

high cave
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and shoot

sturdy osprey
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Play tdm

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No vehicles at all

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It's awesome

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When you get really annoyed just swich

high cave
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There's no swtich teams or auto balancing

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and I'm tired of the "wait till the game ends"

sturdy osprey
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No i mean swich modes

high cave
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I don't have 15 hours to play

sturdy osprey
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😂 i don't play that damn long

soft storm
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Complete the coop missions, didn’t get the rewards, ea support says sorry we can’t help you lmao

sturdy osprey
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10 hrs at least lol

soft storm
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Oh my looord

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I wonder if completing them again will fix it

sturdy osprey
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I just hope that FF works less lol

solid hinge
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breakthrough is the est for masrery assignments

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ive only played breakthrough and swuad conquest whats heat in the fire

sturdy osprey
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I like bombing shit its myife lol

digital totem
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what happened to bf4

gray saffron
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what do you mean?

coarse oasis
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Lmao @gray saffron

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excellent driving

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did you know he was coming

gray saffron
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thanks! 😄 yeah, i saw a tiger shooting there, so i figured to stay hidden for a bit and wait till he comes my way or when he starts revealing his rear to me ;D

coarse oasis
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Dat rear

gray saffron
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a tiger's rear is a sight to behold ;3

tribal cairn
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Holy shit

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That would've scared the absolute piss out of me

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Good job on the kill though

gray saffron
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thanks ^^ i would not have wanted to be in his position either haha

twin drum
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does battlefield hardline have bots

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like call of duty does

gray saffron
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don't think so

prime pine
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Out of context moments

twin drum
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...?

gray saffron
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i can't imagine seeing a bot fly a helicopter and you being it's mini gunner ;D

prime pine
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"A tigers rear is a sight to behold"

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Haha

gray saffron
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hai buwudie! ;D

prime pine
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Good morning, jer!

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How are you

gray saffron
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fine fine, you? 😄

prime pine
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Pretty good. Really warm....

gray saffron
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😮 it's really cold here :<

visual spoke
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Hi I'm new to battlefield 5 (xbox is giving out 1 month free ea access, 3 month discord nitro, 6 month spotify premium to xbox game pass members) so I'm pretty bad at the game so like any tips would be gud I just wanna get better lol

prime pine
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Dont lay on the ground like a rat

gray saffron
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never visit the subreddit, ptfo, get the fliegerfaust to deal with pesky planes..uhh

visual spoke
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@prime pine ok thanks

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What about crouching

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When should I crouch

prime pine
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Jer. You should see how fucked this facebook group is

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Only change stances when necessary

gray saffron
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also, if you're about to revive a guy as a medic, pop a smoke, so you won't get hit. use the smoke nade launcher and smokes as medic as they are your main tools for cover

prime pine
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Crouch and prone are fine when you do them sparingly

visual spoke
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@gray saffron thanks

gray saffron
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oof, i'm glad i'm not that much on fb anymore ;D

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is it bad?

visual spoke
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Thx

delicate herald
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If you want a really good K/D (and to be considered a srcub) lay prone and use an mmg.

lavish raptor
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just went 116 and 12 with the m1a1 on iwo jima

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we won

prime pine
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I should grab a screenshot

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Hang on

visual spoke
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Nice

gray saffron
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also big part of bfv is just learning the maps. once you get the general layout under your thumb, you can pretty much predict enemy movement and adjust your actions accordingly ;D like knowing how people tend to flank a capture zone etc

visual spoke
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I mean these are not like cod maps where you can easily remember after 2 matches these maps are huge so like it would be really hard to remeber

prime pine
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My internet is really damn slow

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Hang on a bit

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Jer

gray saffron
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i shall wait patiently, buwu ;D

lavish raptor
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god damn

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m1a1 forgot how just skilled it was

gray saffron
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m1a1 is fuuun

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do you use the extended or the other spec tree?

lavish raptor
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exte

icy sluice
topaz terrace
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Dang, GG!

violet dagger
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hi

solid hinge
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@icy sluice Rookiesaurus

gray saffron
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niceru!

icy sluice
gray saffron
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haha, i really dislike that headpiece xD it's so goofy

solid hinge
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Kill it

icy sluice
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It was on Fjell and the Blizzard happened

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Not really many other snow headgears

solid hinge
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I’m at tow rank 33 now almost 34 should I buy the other ranks? 🤔

violet dagger
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thanks whoever helped me

solid hinge
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@violet dagger np

violet dagger
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does anybody know how not to suck too?

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im garbage

solid hinge
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I don’t suck

gray saffron
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no, you still got plenty of weekly reward exp coming up, musti ;D

solid hinge
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Ask @gray saffron

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Idc about the weekly reward xp

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That’s just some extras

violet dagger
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i can get kills but i dont know about military tatics and not to die alot

solid hinge
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Military tactics?

violet dagger
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like i always die

delicate herald
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There are no military tactics in BFV. Lol

solid hinge
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This ain’t modern warfare or siege

violet dagger
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but i just want to know howto not die

gray saffron
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if a guy shoots at you, take cover or take him on if you feel confident with your aim. if you take cover, retreat and flank around to try to catch the guy off guard

solid hinge
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I’ll just jump on them and they die

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With the suomi

violet dagger
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im using the stg 44

solid hinge
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Good Lord..

violet dagger
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im trying to get the gold skin

gray saffron
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also, crick up your sound. you can often hear a guy coming from its footsteps. if you hear footsteps, wait, listen if he's about to turn the corner, jump around the corner and fire.

violet dagger
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ok

solid hinge
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There is a non german tank that can shot overpored and complety broken shells or it just for the german side?

gray saffron
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also, never, ever, try to stay still or camp. most cases it will just get you killed by a guy that is moving. a moving target is harder to hit than one that is sitting idle ;D

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are you talking about the sturmtiger?

solid hinge
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No idea but since i can only play as non german

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I was wondering if i can use a broken ass tank like that too

gray saffron
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the churchill gun carrier is pretty strong, good front armor and strong cannon that can take out people pretty far. just don't get assault or tanks behind your back.

solid hinge
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The churchill is the one that has the front turret

gray saffron
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yeah, fixed cannon

solid hinge
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I mean ok

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I deal 20 dmg to that thing

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They deal 90dmg

gray saffron
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but allies don't have a squad reinforcement tank like the sturmtiger. they have the crocodile tank that has a flamethrower, but is just a fairly regular tank apart from that flamethrower imo.

solid hinge
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Pretty balanced then

gray saffron
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it depends where you hit them though. hit the back or inbetween cannon and hull and you do solid damage

solid hinge
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I am waiting to see a german poland mode

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Lol

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With 32 tanks for germany

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LOL

topaz terrace
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😂

solid hinge
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They could make both side balanced w similar things but no the game must be accurate

gray saffron
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i usually take speedy tanks that can circle around quickly like that valentine tank etc. get around the back, pamper them with shells and disable their tracks and they're defenseless.

faint plover
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Just shot a Valentine AA four times at point blank range with the Panzer IV and two shots didn't do anything

solid hinge
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Everything accurate while storming ppl with female soldiers

faint plover
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They should've hit so I don't know what the fuck happened

solid hinge
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@gray saffron i play brakthough

gray saffron
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tank hits are really wonky at the moment. stuff that should hit doesn't and hits that they should have missed hit you hard. it's weird 😦

solid hinge
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Those tanks are just broken

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They snipe tanks across the map w 2 hits

gray saffron
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stug iv and valentines are tank snipers, yeah

faint plover
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You'd think after a year or two the game wouldn't be completely broken still

gray saffron
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heavy damage and long range cannon shots

solid hinge
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@faint plover tank hitreg fails all the time

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The stug has the same damage as the panzer 4

violet dagger
lavish raptor
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51-6 24k

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pacific

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we held em back with suomi and mp34 @solar blaze

gray saffron
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i assume that mp34 had a bayonet on it

lavish raptor
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better

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i was using suomi and m1a1

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finished my m1s last master

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now ima do the trombonicos mint and suomis mint and mp40 mint/master

gray saffron
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neat 😄

pastel grove
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I have all metal parts on the Tromboncino minted and all wooden parts set with paracadutista

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Best combo tbh.

gray saffron
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mine's just full gold xd

pastel grove
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How does gold look on Tromboncino anyway

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imo gold looks like shit on most weapons but I'm still curious

inner ingot
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The Pacific update got me 🥴🥴🥴

gray saffron
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your set looks nice though, tire. although i'm not a huuge fan of the colors used of paracadutista. i mainly use gold, due it changes the nade launcher to gold. because once that's gold everything else looks out of place so made that gold too 😦 https://imgur.com/a/iBcEXtw

solid hinge
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attrition isn't that bad tbh

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I see people saying 'muh kdr' but like

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kdr doesn't matter

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it's teamwork

pastel grove
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That looks good actually for being gold @gray saffron

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Usually gold skins just look like shit

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And yeah, the colors on paracadutista are hard to get used to

gray saffron
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true, it's usually the engraved stuff that ruins the golden skins for me. like it's terrible looking on the thompson ;D

pastel grove
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Yeah I'm keeping my Thompson mint until I get that Pacific skin you get around level 30 WoahTea

gray saffron
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😄 i love that the skin from the tow turns your tommy into a 20-like mag if you use the 50 mag. i'm using that with the palm leaves front :3

solid hinge
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the fliegerfaust singlehandedly changed the dogfighting meta for the worse

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now you don't even have to be good to be a pilot

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if someone is shooting at you from another plane, just fly over friendly forces, they'll either have to wave off or get shot down

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@pastel grove try the new pacific camo for the tommy

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Pacific Palm

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it's fucking bullshit

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...

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almost every time I get shot down in a dogfight, it's by infantry

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Nice

sturdy osprey
lavish raptor
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i am the

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fucking dolphin

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im fucking awesome

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its da fuckin dolphin

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bitch

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i went 38-3

solid hinge
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38-3 lol

lavish raptor
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not hard

faint plover
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Alright so how does C4 work in BFV? I stuck two to an enemy halftrack, ran like 15 feet, then hit the plunger...and nothing happened

pastel grove
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@solid hinge ye I'm still grinding for Pacific Palm

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still at level 21

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honestly hate these haircuts they put in Tides

solid hinge
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why does no one seem to recognize that the fliegerfaust is ridiculously overpowered?

thorn oracle
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Whats that

solid hinge
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@pastel grove Almost rank 34 here lol

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I need 136000 xp to get the golden chapter v dog tag

feral dew
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hello friends

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this is probably a dumb question but im new to battlefield and was wondering what the deal is with sprinting and crouching

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like does crouching actually make you smaller and quieter or is it just to adjust camera height cos if it does work like traditional crouching then why can i still go at sprint speed?

solid hinge
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it's not much of that

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it's because in trenches and more lower barricades sprint-crouching hides you from sniper / enemy fire

feral dew
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ahh makes sense

solid hinge
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legit a usefull feature

feral dew
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so just to use cover more efficiently but doesn't make you quieter if you sprint?

solid hinge
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not sure about noise reduction

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tbh

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but for things like crossing trenches? very usefull

thorn oracle
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Is anyone playing?

solid hinge
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shame it wasn't used in BF1, which has legit shit tons of trenches

echo glen
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Smaller profile so you can be less noticed, but you're more vunerable to headshots

solid hinge
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I crouch run in the bushes when I'm Japanese, leaving mines and preparing my bonzai with my arisaka

raw orbit
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bonsai

solid hinge
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Danke

raw orbit
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lmao

echo glen
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Danke sehr Yes

stoic breach
coral fiber
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Bf1 feels boring to me now :(

solid hinge
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crouch running makes you way quieter

coral fiber
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At the cost of speed

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Ofc

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But eh

hollow hedge
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u need to know if RSP not come soon BFV die ) Community challenges must pay attention to what they ask all her want RSP T5 more map and stop support the random players u need to look about challenges mod

icy sluice
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What?

stoic breach
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Man, if AT Rifles were gadgets, recon could've gotten Bolt carbines

sweet socket
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.

coral fiber
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I'm so confused

stoic breach
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It would be a win for everyone

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Bolt actions could become OHK bodyshot, and bolt carbines would be fast headshot weapons, but still capable of doing bodyshots

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It would've been perfect

coral fiber
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Also do custom emblems don't work on bf1 anymore?

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Where are the custom servers?

stoic breach
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Pretty sure they work

coral fiber
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Lookin at the EoR stats screen and they don't show up lol

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Just the default country ones

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And yes the "show player content" setting is on show

stoic breach
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Weird

languid sinew
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one hit body shoot sniper rifles are a mistake

stoic breach
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Why lol

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It makes them good

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Especially since there are better weapons you can headshot people with

languid sinew
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ever heard of balance?

stoic breach
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Yes I have heard of balance

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OHK snipers arent overpowered

languid sinew
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seems not if you want 1 hit sniper rifles

stoic breach
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People need to understand that it isnt damage that makes weapons too strong, its KPM

echo turtle
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Isn't the carbines for the medics much better than the bolt action rifles or something along those lines

stoic breach
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Yeah they are

thorn oracle
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Wut

stoic breach
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Medic carbines are better headshot weapons than bolt actions

echo turtle
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Bring back sweet spots

thorn oracle
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I suck at the game so much

stoic breach
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So the logical choice is to give bolt actions sweetspot, and give bolt carbines to recon for players who want to go for headshots

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EZ

thorn oracle
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What modes are fun to play?

echo turtle
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Conquest

stoic breach
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Breakthrough

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Aight

thorn oracle
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Ok

lilac crag
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guys

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2x 20 mm cannons or 6x hmg?

thorn oracle
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Imma play

lilac crag
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which ones for which

thorn oracle
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Wth

languid sinew
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sweet spots were the worst decision in bf1

echo turtle
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Grandops if you want to lose faith in everyone that plays

languid sinew
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just no

thorn oracle
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I dont understand a thing

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Lmao

languid sinew
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makes sniping to easy

stoic breach
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Sniping right now is too useless

echo turtle
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Sweet spots made sniping more easier and fun

stoic breach
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Easy sniping makes for more useful recon teammates

echo turtle
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Hitting someone in the chest for them to topple over felt really good

stoic breach
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Then the skill comes from maximising KPM

thorn oracle
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Do u guys use the 3x or 6x?

languid sinew
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if you can not hit headshots you deserve to get punished for it

thorn oracle
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For snipers

autumn bane
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3x for tracking targets >

echo turtle
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A sniper's job is to pick off people

thorn oracle
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Ok

stoic breach
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But there are literally better weapons to headshot with

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That require less effort to use

thorn oracle
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Stg is gud?

coral fiber
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No

stoic breach
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Its mediocre

echo turtle
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And make sure that your team has some knowledge of where the enemies are

thorn oracle
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@coral fiberrly?

coral fiber
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1907 SF 😤👌

autumn bane
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its not the best at anything, but its good at alot of things though

echo turtle
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The head is not a big object

thorn oracle
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Ok

echo turtle
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And sweet spots relied on distance

stoic breach
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You dont deserve to get punished if you miss a headshot because if you have anything less than 100% headshot accuracy you cant use the weapon properly

thorn oracle
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Whats a gud weapon for assault?

languid sinew
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ye its not but if you want one hit body hits with sniper rifle just go play cod

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or boys at

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or panzerbüchse

echo turtle
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They do it in sniper elite

stoic breach
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M1907 SF, Breda, any SAR

thorn oracle
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Ok

echo turtle
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Where bodying someone is just as effective as the head is

thorn oracle
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Im only level 21

stoic breach
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You do realise that Boys AT makes blueberry snipers more useful

thorn oracle
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Idk i forgot

stoic breach
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Because its actually intimidating

languid sinew
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nice I dont care what it does in other games one hit body hits are too op

stoic breach
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You're ignoring KPM

echo turtle
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Sweet spots relied on your distance to the target

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Not just bam dead

stoic breach
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Weapons are only overpowered if theres a clear disparity between KPM

thorn oracle
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Im on ps4 anyone wanna play?

stoic breach
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A 31 round RSC SMG would've been more powerful than any sweetspot rifles in BF1

autumn bane
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how important is fast strafe in ur opinion

echo turtle
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If a bolt action carbine is outperforming most bolt action rifles that's really bad

autumn bane
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askin everyone

stoic breach
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Thats why RSC SMG only had 9 rounds a mag

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Its always going to suck to die, but OHK isnt overpowered

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Are you the kind of person who thinks shotguns are overpowered

languid sinew
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na they are not

raw orbit
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if you dont want to land headshots why arent you using the zh instead PTJudge

stoic breach
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Yeah, and they fire faster than bolt actions

echo turtle
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Because I want to use a bolt action rifle

stoic breach
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Uhhh because bolt actions arent good at landing headshots

languid sinew
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why do I see good snipers all the time not complaining about ohk

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you got a problem with hitting headshots toast?

stoic breach
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No, because if I want to hit headshots, I'd use a bolt carbine lmao

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Or AgM42

autumn bane
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hitting headshots consistently is not humanly possible

stoic breach
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Or any weapon that can outperform bolt actions with headshots

echo turtle
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If sweet spots added a negative experience to bf1 why weren't they removed

stoic breach
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Sweetspots were even balanced and technically nerfed

raw orbit
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none of the negative shit in that game was removed pepeLaugh

stoic breach
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Rainbow glint tipped you off to sweetspots, and suppressing a sniper would prevent them from hitting you

languid sinew
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well they removed it in bf v and also spotting and added attriton to do a more hardcore approach and not let every pepega feel gud because they dont have to hit headshots to be effective

stoic breach
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You physically cant argue against bolt carbines and SARs being more range effective than bolt actions

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Dude, what are you, a boomer?

languid sinew
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ahaha

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are we getting personal now?

stoic breach
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Nobody buys AAA for a hardcore experience

languid sinew
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I said more hardcore experience

echo turtle
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You buy actual milsims for it

languid sinew
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bf v is not hard core

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its more hardcore than bf1

raw orbit
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youre right lets turn battlefield into a party game so we can all feel good FeelsGoodMan

stoic breach
#

And when every weapon can do better than bolt actions with only bodyshots, you have a problem

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Yeah thats exactly what I said

solid hinge
#

How long will they take to nerf that infantry AAcannon?

stoic breach
#

Why would they want to nerf good AA

raw orbit
#

when 5.2 comes out

solid hinge
#

Finally

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There is a difference bween broken and good @stoic breach

stoic breach
#

Anyways, you literally cant argue about bolt actions being good weapons because other weapons can out perform them by just existing

solid hinge
#

That thing is broken

stoic breach
#

FF just kills bad pilots

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🤷

solid hinge
#

U dont even have to hit them

languid sinew
#

jungle carbine is less effective on range than bolt action rifles

stoic breach
#

Wrong

solid hinge
#

U insta deal 50+ dmg

stoic breach
#

Higher rate of fire

languid sinew
#

its only 2 shots body shots on up to 100 meters

#

after that its 3 or more hits

stoic breach
#

Thats more than enough to be useful

languid sinew
#

good luck hitting someone 3 times on 100+ meters

stoic breach
#

Anything over 100m and you're officially at the back of the map

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Or at least not anywhere useful to your team

languid sinew
#

over 100 meters its not even a 1 shot headshots

stoic breach
#

Who cares

languid sinew
#

so close its better sure

solid hinge
#

It is an aggresive sniper

#

U have health

raw orbit
#

lol pirateking its impossible to hit headshots anyway pepega Clap

stoic breach
#

It has a higher KPM under 100m where you can be useful to your team

solid hinge
#

And u dont have to scope out

stoic breach
#

Yes can you seriously tell me that the ability to headshot people from over 100m away is actually useful

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You cant even use spot flares at 100m away

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You arent actively engaging in fights if you're 100m away

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So whats the point about arguing that they have an infinite headshot range

solid hinge
#

All the medic carabines are outclassed from the scout SLRs

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Imo

stoic breach
#

Guess what, the SLRs outclass the bolt actions too

solid hinge
#

Nah

stoic breach
#

Because you can bodyshot multiple people faster than you can headshot multiple people

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The bolt carbines can headshot people faster than SLRs can bodyshot people

#

So where does that leave bolt actions

solid hinge
#

Snipers are better vs campers

stoic breach
#

Uhhhh muh skill cannon that has a low KPM but I can headshot people so I'm automatically better than the rest of the match

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Give me a break

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Everything can kill campers

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If your argument is that snipers are good against people who arent moving, thats a bad case for bolt actions

solid hinge
#

Bolt are fine

#

Carabines are fine

stoic breach
#

They are literally only good at killing bad players who arent moving

languid sinew
#

toast just wants them overpowered you can not win this discussion

stoic breach
#

How can you ignore KPM like that

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OHK snipers aren't overpowered because they dont have an extremely high KPM

echo turtle
#

Think the chart should go BAC>SLR>BAR

solid hinge
#

^

stoic breach
#

Getting instantly bodyshot as slow as a bolt action isnt overpowered, I'm sorry to say

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If you didnt want to deal with getting bodyshot in BF1, you could just suppress a sweetspot user

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Too bad suppression got nerfed in BFV

languid sinew
#

its fine it takes the randomness out of the gun fights

solid hinge
#

Lol bolt action snipers

Most of them deal low damage in the body at range. You can just pop a med kit immediately after getting hit, and their next hit won’t kill you, essentially making them take 3 shots

echo turtle
stoic breach
#

Yeah

languid sinew
#

just because a lmg guy is shooting in your general direction not hitting shots was pretty bad

solid hinge
#

They’re only good against enemies that are standing still

stoic breach
#

Sweetspots tighten up TTK and ignore healing

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They make snipers good at range

solid hinge
#

I only use bolts when there are mmgs and camping snipers

stoic breach
#

You can do better with an SLR and bodyshots than you ever can hitting headshots

solid hinge
#

My most used gun is the selb 1906

languid sinew
#

they make snipers to ez and half the server will play snipers like in bf1 and you will have less objective gameplay because ppl will sit at safe range waiting for ppl to push

stoic breach
#

Yeah and thats a great pick

solid hinge
#

But sometimes bolt are better

stoic breach
#

Uhhhh sweetspots let you attack objectives faster

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There were no sweetspots past 100m

echo turtle
#

Snipers actually scared me in bf1

solid hinge
#

There were

languid sinew
#

ye there were

stoic breach
#

There werent

solid hinge
#

Gewer 98

stoic breach
#

Longest was 100m-150m

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Gewehr 98 was 80m

solid hinge
#

And the Us one

solid hinge
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80-125

raw orbit
#

150m is now less than 100m peepoThink

languid sinew
#

Gewehr 98 Infantry

Sweet Spot: 80 meters up to 120 meters.
Damage: 100 to 80
Magazine: 5
Bullets: 5
Type: Mid Range

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they were not sure xD

solid hinge
#

The springfiled was 100 to 150

languid sinew
#

SMLE MKIII Infantry

Sweet Spot: 40 meters up to 80 meters.
Damage: 100 to 80
Magazine: 5
Bullets: 10
Type: Close Range

stoic breach
#

Yeah thats not a big deal

languid sinew
#

its not xD ofc

stoic breach
#

I'm wrong about the exact distance

solid hinge
#

Smle had 35m sweetspot

stoic breach
#

But there are no sweetspots that start after 100m

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Well, 150m

echo turtle
#

What sniper has the strongest minimum DMG in bfv?

languid sinew
#

M1903 Sniper

Sweet Spot: 100 meters up to 150 meters.
Damage: 100 to 80
Magazine: 5
Bullets: 5
Type: Long Range

stoic breach
#

Gewehr 95 with like 80

solid hinge
#

I think the ross @languid sinew

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It is more or less 55

languid sinew
#

I liked the ross

#

it was fucking ez to use

#

and you could play very offensive

solid hinge
#

They are all the same imo

#

Just different trees

languid sinew
#

the ross you had not to scope out

solid hinge
#

And bullet speed

fleet bloom
#

hold up. is attrition going away too ? what are those fools doing over thereAngry

solid hinge
#

I didn’t play bf1 but I heard there was some kind of mechanic where snipers one shot enemies in the body if they were spotted?

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Are u talking about bf1 or 5 @languid sinew

stoic breach
#

Yeah sweetspot

languid sinew
#

bf1

solid hinge
#

O

stoic breach
#

They physically werent OP because they werent that fast

solid hinge
#

All snipers had the same dmg

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That’s what they call it?

#

But

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Only the martini

languid sinew
#

it got nerfed severall times

echo turtle
#

With marksman variants you didn't need to scope out irrc might've been just the m.95 though

solid hinge
#

Or the sniper w 4 bullets

stoic breach
#

You're actually kidding yourself if you think that sweetspots made snipers more powerful than any other weapon

languid sinew
#

no one said that

#

they were too op

stoic breach
#

Then how would sweetspots now magically make snipers OP

solid hinge
#

Martini henry when the game came out was the strongest gun in the game

languid sinew
#

in meleee against a shotgun its not the strongest weapon toast but no one said that

stoic breach
#

What does that even mean

solid hinge
#

On console was just aimbot

stoic breach
#

You could still do alot better just using a Huot than a pre-nerf Martini

solid hinge
#

Have u ever u used it lmao?

stoic breach
#

Yes I have

solid hinge
#

The game aimed for u

#

And the sweetspot was bugged

#

Always 1 hit

stoic breach
#

22rpm OHK vs an automatic

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Automatics will steal beat it in terms of KPM

#

Like overall, you can still kill more people more effectively with an automatic

languid sinew
#

how if the enemy is far away and you dont see him and he just head glitches behind a stone

stoic breach
#

Than with a slow rifle

solid hinge
#

Maybe u forgot about the fact that the guns were very bad

#

B4 ttk2.0

languid sinew
#

try to kill him there with any automatioc weapon

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and he will sit there all day picking ppl off

stoic breach
#

O yea, the initial TTK lol

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I did forget

#

But yeah, comparing pre-nerf Martini to weapons now in BF1, it wouldnt be so bad

solid hinge
#

Hout was a hitmarker machine

raw orbit
#

if the best gun in the game wasnt good enough for toast then nothing will ever be pepeLaugh

stoic breach
#

Yeah, then

#

Now its not so bad because the other weapons have gotten alot better

#

So if you compare pre-nerf Martini to the current weapon set (so both are at their peak power), the current weapons would still overall perform alot better than Martini

solid hinge
#

The problem was the pre patch martini + the insane aim assist

stoic breach
#

Yeah, now aim assist is reduced

solid hinge
#

I remember that i used to trow smoke

#

And kill ppl w the aim assist

#

U always got like 5+ on amiens when the match started

languid sinew
#

sounds fun to be on the recieving end

solid hinge
#

Still better than the gas spam

#

Or the heavy tank b4 nerf

feral dew
#

man this game is fun but god does it feel janky

sweet socket
#

alright so erm has anyone notice how theres battle field 1,2,3,4 and now 5? ik they arnt in correct release order but has Dice and EA been hinting to this and is theres gonna be bf 6, 7, 8????

#

nobody will know exept when dice and EA make them

raw orbit
#

no

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battlefield is cancelled

#

no bf6

sweet socket
#

awe i thought i was getting at something 😦

icy sluice
#

lol

soft storm
#

@lavish raptor I’ve searched in the platoon thing and it didn’t come up

#

Wait never mind

#

How long has domino been spelled with an e?

lavish raptor
#

idk

tame bridge
#

So any news about firestorm becoming FFA?

#

I miss that game mode, its so empty now

solid hinge
#

I think they ditched Firestorm

#

Poor @hoary condor it was his favorite game mode

lavish raptor
#

Add that to your name tho

#

if you a real donda west

#

it makes it easier to join on friends

tame bridge
#

Firestorm was unironically best royale ive ever played. Sad.

languid sinew
#

the lootsystem was unironically the worst in any br I have ever played

solid hinge
#

Sorry, I have to disagree right there

#

Apex legends is for me the best BR

icy sluice
#

Found a pink Commando Carbine

solid hinge
#

That’s nice

lavish raptor
#

they took down the reddit meme of a v1 crashing into the dice HQ

#

that was so quality

solid hinge
#

What does a dinosaur with a pink commando carbine?

#

@lavish raptor That’s harsh

#

It’s ok to make memes but not memes like that

lavish raptor
#

why

solid hinge
#

V1 crashing into the dice hq 😐

lavish raptor
#

yea

autumn bane
#

ur a boomer if u dont find that funny

#

jk

solid hinge
autumn bane
solid hinge
slim kindle
#

in bf1 i came against a guy that had 50 service stars with the martini henry

solid hinge
#

Lol

#

I’ve 100 service stars with the hellriegel and ribeyrolles

slim kindle
#

he got 50 kills that game

solid hinge
#

That’s possible

slim kindle
#

ik

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but i was like in awe or somethinf

#

it was amazing

nocturne oriole
#

I swear fjell 652 is the worse map ever

untold wraith
#

Debatable.

soft storm
#

Cause you can’t fly?

solid hinge
#

It’s enjoyable on conquest

#

Well

soft storm
#

Most people I know who hate Fjell can’t fly

solid hinge
#

Delete the planes and it’s a good map

lavish raptor
#

like a taliban with a turban pull up all black in a suburban

untold wraith
#

I would say I probably have the least fun on Hamada, Narvik or Twisted steel, but I like all of the maps.

solid hinge
#

Twisted steel is fun

#

I love the battles on the bridge

#

Good covers

untold wraith
#

I do too, but sometimes I die a lot on that map, but that’s my fault.

#

Sometimes you just have those bad days, you know?

solid hinge
#

Oh I know

#

And playing operation underground on those bad days is horrific

untold wraith
#

I recently found my old Battlefield 4 disc so I redownloaded it, gonna see how well it aged.

#

Yeah OP underground is terrible on a bad day

solid hinge
#

I don’t like the map anymore tbh

#

It was enjoyable at first

#

Any news on DICE changing the ttk or have they not responded?

raven horizon
#

Is the S2-2000s any good

nocturne oriole
#

All they gotta do is add hardcore mode

untold wraith
#

You can probably do hardcore mode with private games.

nocturne oriole
#

And if you are us team then you will only use us weapons

raven horizon
#

It looks like it has a specialization against planes...???

solid hinge
#

Hardcore mode is probably coming with community games (RSP) in early december.

untold wraith
#

Well I’m pretty sure RSP is coming in 5.2 which I believe as you say is early DEC yeah

solid hinge
#

Along with wake island

#

AND the new TTK -.-

untold wraith
#

And the spotting shit

solid hinge
#

Oh yes

untold wraith
solid hinge
#

Noob friendly

#

Some say they do it for the christmas noobs

untold wraith
#

I never get annoyed by DICEs decisions, I’ve supported the game right up until now.

#

But this

solid hinge
#

Well they actually do something against campers with the new spotting.

untold wraith
#

No

languid sinew
#

its the lazy way

solid hinge
#

But the spotting flare feature is enough for me

untold wraith
#

^^^

#

I’ve loved battlefield V but the TTK changes and the spotting thingy is shit.

languid sinew
#

indeed

waxen mango
#

Damn, BF4 has fully ruined the new cod for me lmfao

solid hinge
#

They’ve listened to the community before they should listen now that we don’t want the new TTK to happen. The current one is good enough.

untold wraith
#

Never have I been on the hate train but this is fucked.

solid hinge
#

Remember when they changed the ttk? The community was furious.

untold wraith
#

Yeah, and they’re trying it again

solid hinge
#

And DICE listened and brought back the normal ttk

#

But has DICE responded?

#

No

#

Schieße

#

They will

#

In time

untold wraith
#

spotting probably pisses me off more than TTK

#

Like wtf

solid hinge
#

They’ve until december 10 the time to respond

languid sinew
#

the game needs more content and dice is changing the stuff which is fine

solid hinge
#

Not ttk

untold wraith
#

If I wanna sneak behind enemies I don’t want a fucking red dot on my head

solid hinge
#

ttk is good as it is. Nobody wants it to change

compact oxide
#

The spotting only affects enemies in your line of sight

#

If you're sneaking behind them it's the same

untold wraith
#

Hmm...

solid hinge
#

The only thing they should do is fixing the netcodes/remaining bugs and come up with new content

#

That’s it.

languid sinew
#

^^

untold wraith
#

The changes won’t stop me from playing but I will be annoyed.

languid sinew
#

new maps, new weapons, new faction, new theatres of war

solid hinge
#

And more company coin outfits because I’ve already spend enough on boin outfits 😂

compact oxide
#

Honestly they should just ditch BFV and keep adding things to BF1 Yikes

untold wraith
#

Lmao

tame bridge
#

The only thing they should do is let firestorm be free for all so the game could get more fanbase

solid hinge
#

From now on I only buy Elites

#

@compact oxide They should’ve done that back in 2018.

#

BFV should’ve been come out this year

#

With more content and less bugs

untold wraith
#

Well...

compact oxide
#

I may still be playing if that was the case

solid hinge
#

But now they have 3 years to develop the next bf which comes out in 2021

#

Now 2 years

#

I’ve a feeling it’s going to be set during the vietnam war and other cold war proxy wars.

#

Mix between old/new warfare.

soft storm
#

Which means they can reuse assets again

icy sluice
#

I just need maybe 2 more firestorm matches

#

I am having fun, actually

#

Got 5 kills in one match, one kill being a staghound

waxen mango
#

What’s the best BFs?

#

I’ve been playing 4 recently but I got EA Access

icy sluice
#

Personally V

waxen mango
#

@icy sluice even with this ttk thing? I’ve heard it’s pretty good but also that that’s a reason to stay away

lavish raptor
#

91-6 on iwo jima just now

simple roost
#

why doesnt the bf1 server browser seem to work properly

#

it only shows 1-2 servers with players and everything else has none

raven horizon
#

Is it true that a Grand operation for Greece actually in-game, but tehy just never turned it on!?!?!?

dire sleet
#

hmm

solid hinge
#

@raven horizon no

dire sleet
#

is it just me or is the first 2 points when attacking on devastation a paint in the but

#

for breakthrough

#

that is

soft storm
#

There was supposed to be a lot of things

raven horizon
#

:(

soft storm
#

They never came to fruition

icy sluice
#

Upcoming change will influence more ptfo behavior

#

Which is what I'm all for

raven horizon
#

:(

icy sluice
#

Now, just one more Firestorm match and I'm done with these assignments

#

Literally just survive to the last 32 lol

dire sleet
#

also is it just me or is going back to older maps whats the word

#

compared to the pacific maps

#

i think im looking for the word diffrent

#

experience

#

its not bad but its werid

icy sluice
#

Iwo Jima is a totally different experience than in 1942, yeah

dire sleet
#

but also just how like the maps the game launched with

#

like dice did something diffrent

#

from what ive seen from the content creators they are saying that they feel like older battlefield titles and i like that a lot

icy sluice
#

And I'm done playing firestorm... oh it's 11pm

#

Oh... I need to finish the match, fuck

#

Well, I'll just jump off a mountain or drown myself then

dire sleet
#

oh damn

#

also its just 11

#

you see in life their are 3 things

#
  1. work/school 2. Battlefield 3. sleep
#

pick 2

prime pine
#

First sector of devastation is a bit... Overwhelming

#

The second sector is a bit harder in my opinion

#

Sturmtigers and crocodiles are finally viable on it too

waxen mango
#

@icy sluice Why will it encourage PTFO?

odd bear
#

hi guys

waxen mango
#

Hi

odd bear
#

hi oooooooof

#

what u doing?

waxen mango
#

Not much lol, I’m watching a vid about the new BF5 changes and trying to decide if I should download it

icy sluice
#

Doing less damage at range will encourage players to close in the distance rather than attack from afar

waxen mango
#

Ah that’s super great then

#

I can’t decide between 1 or 5 tho

icy sluice
#

Personally, I like 5 a lot more

waxen mango
#

That’s interesting, why?

icy sluice
#

The gunplay, movement and vehicle combat feels more satisfying and enjoyable

compact oxide
#

I prefer 1 overall

icy sluice
#

And we have our preferences Happy

waxen mango
#

Lmao hmm

odd bear
#

I feel lonely while playing bfv

compact oxide
#

More of a skill ceiling in 1 imo

waxen mango
#

I could always do both lol

#

@odd bear why?

odd bear
#

don't have friends to play with

waxen mango
#

Ah

compact oxide
#

And you can feel like a god taking down everyone 😎

solid hinge
#

1 has a better atmosphere, 5 has better gunplay

waxen mango
#

Lmao @compact oxide

icy sluice
#

@compact oxide I already do that in V lol

solid hinge
#

1s gunplay was funky

icy sluice
#

Both games you can take everyone down

compact oxide
#

I actually prefer the gunplay in 1

waxen mango
#

I’ll probably go with 5 then lol

compact oxide
#

V it's harder to solo everyone

waxen mango
#

Hmm that makes 1 sound better then

#

Does BF4 have SBMM btw? There’s no way most players are this horrible

icy sluice
#

It depends on what weapon you really have and your skill with it, really.

odd bear
#

just asking

waxen mango
#

@icy sluice hmm

icy sluice
#

I don't think any of these games have SBMM

waxen mango
#

Huh weird

compact oxide
#

We need a "why not both?" Emote methinks

odd bear
#

you guys think bf1 is better than V?

icy sluice
#

lol

waxen mango
#

All the players I’ve been with in my first couple games have been garbage

icy sluice
#

I have over 700 hours with Battlefield V and over 200 hours in Battlefield 1

waxen mango
#

Damn, 700 hours??

#

The most I’ve ever spent in a game is like 100

odd bear
#

how do you know how long you played?

compact oxide
#

.....I've got 1.5k hours in bf1

waxen mango
#

Holy shit

#

@odd bear steam and Xbox tell you

#

Idk how it works on ps4 tho

icy sluice
#

I've put like 2k hours into Battlefield 2, maybe.

waxen mango
#

Damnn

odd bear
#

my god

icy sluice
#

Maybe more, there was no counter back then

waxen mango
#

Is BC2 still active on Xbox? I’ve heard it’s incredibly good

icy sluice
#

And that game has been out since 2007 I think

#

2005

waxen mango
#

Damnn

#

How’s conquest modes? I played some conquest large and the one game I had was way way too big IMO

midnight nimbus
#

lmao BF Twitter is no better than reddit

waxen mango
#

I kept getting killed by people I couldn’t even see

#

Lmao

midnight nimbus
#

ppl think 5.2 brings "auto spotting"

#

when it's been explicitly stated that it's not spotting at all

#

tfw no one understands what shownametag is

icy sluice
#

People have no problem with red names in CoD, why is there a problem when there's a much weaker version of it in Battlefield?

midnight nimbus
#

^

waxen mango
#

@icy sluice idk IMO red names are an amazing cod feature

midnight nimbus
#

it's literally a range extension on the current shownametag

waxen mango
#

It makes enemies way more obvious which is super useful

midnight nimbus
#

ppl buttmad they can't camp in bushes as much

icy sluice
#

If you have a perk in CoD, you can see people from literally on the opposite corner of the map

#

No one cares there

midnight nimbus
#

yeah, but you actually have to be directly looking at them

soft storm
#

And you also have ammo that hides name tags, kill feed, and increase range

midnight nimbus
#

in CoD

soft storm
#

.300 blackout counters that perk btw

#

We don’t have that luxury

midnight nimbus
#

the ammo doesn't hide nametag iirc

soft storm
#

It hides their death in the feed I believe

#

I don’t play MW

icy sluice
#

I like how that ammo doesn't work in any competitive sense

midnight nimbus
#

it hides the skull that designates where they got killed

waxen mango
#

IW really needs to learn something from DICE lol

soft storm
#

Potato potatoe

midnight nimbus
#

DICE needs to learn from IW lol

waxen mango
#

MW is literally just a shittier version of BF5

midnight nimbus
#

not the other way around

waxen mango
#

The spawns are fucked the matchmaking is fucked the gun balance is fucked the lighting is fucked

nocturne oriole
#

@waxen mango the ground war is

midnight nimbus
#

as much as certain aspects in MW can be annoying

waxen mango
#

@midnight nimbus at least you can see the people who are camping in BF

icy sluice
#

The netcode is fucked

waxen mango
#

Yep

midnight nimbus
#

a lot of mechanics in that game are just better implementations of how they were done in BF

nocturne oriole
#

Its "realistic"

midnight nimbus
#

suppression, spotting, etc.

waxen mango
#

@midnight nimbus the mechanics are better

#

But the gameplay and spawns and pretty much fucking everything else is horrible

midnight nimbus
#

eh, depends on mode

#

I vastly prefer the gameplay

icy sluice
#

I also do like how on Reddit the same image keeps getting reposted lol

midnight nimbus
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just gonna play CoD until the next BF shows up

soft storm
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Which one

waxen mango
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I’ve been loving how in BF4 I’m never spawning in fucking front of enemies guns

soft storm
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Which image

icy sluice
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Of tiggr on twitter

nocturne oriole
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@waxen mango sometimes I do

soft storm
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Lemme see

waxen mango
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@nocturne oriole damn lmao

soft storm
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Oh that’s

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Lmao

midnight nimbus
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BF4 is a great vehicle game but goddamn does infantry suck

waxen mango
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I died 5 times in a row on MW from shitty spawns right next to enemies

icy sluice
waxen mango
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@midnight nimbus damn why?

prime pine
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The fuck is even the problem with the passive red marker thing

icy sluice
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You can tell it's a repost because of the awful cropping

midnight nimbus
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I mean infy is still playable ig

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movement in BF4 is nice

prime pine
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It'll make everyones life easier

midnight nimbus
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pretty much everything else sucks

waxen mango
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@midnight nimbus what makes it bad?

icy sluice
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Microbursting HyperWeary

waxen mango
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What’s that

midnight nimbus
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gunplay is boring, playing non medic is painful

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yeah just microburst to win

waxen mango
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Huh I enjoy the gunplay

midnight nimbus
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exciting af

icy sluice
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I didn't play much of Battlefield 3 or 4

waxen mango
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Is microbursting just shooting in small bursts?

icy sluice
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Yeah

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Pretty much

midnight nimbus
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click as fast as possible

icy sluice
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With your automatic weapon

waxen mango
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That seems pretty fair, you’ve gotta counteract the recoil by waiting between shots

midnight nimbus
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no you don't

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just pull down LMAO

icy sluice
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I did have a good night playing Firestorm in 5 matches

waxen mango
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At super long range you do

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What’s firestorm?

midnight nimbus
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not rly

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just pull down

icy sluice
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Battlefield V's battle royale, it's alright for a battle royale

waxen mango
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@midnight nimbus on controller?

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Ooh that’s cool

icy sluice
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Kinda dead tho

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Everyone is on Pacific

midnight nimbus
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idk i don't play with a controller

waxen mango
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BR always die so fast

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@midnight nimbus ah that makes sense, if you wanna be competitive up close you can’t be competitive at range

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On controller

icy sluice
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Use kontrolfreeks and do magic

waxen mango
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What’re those?

icy sluice
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Thumbstick extenders, I don't think they actually help with recoil

waxen mango
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Ah yeah my elite came with those things

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Are they actually useful for anything?

icy sluice
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They apparently help with accuracy but I haven't tested it

waxen mango
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Ooh that’s pretty cool then

compact oxide
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Could just use a Xim

icy sluice
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And use keyboard and mouse

waxen mango
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@compact oxide fuck no

compact oxide
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Yes

waxen mango
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XIM players fucking suck

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It’s literally just cheating

icy sluice
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Ironically, it's only banned in a competitive sense, but uhh, according to Microsoft and Sony they literally don't care

midnight nimbus
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XIM looks mega based

icy sluice
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CronusMax is the budget version and works basically the same

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Literally only sweats will really care

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And I hate using the word, please stop me

waxen mango
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Idk apparently some people got banned

icy sluice
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It does depend on the game

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Although looking at that some more, it wasn't XIM related

midnight nimbus
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imagine choosing to use a controller when you can use mouse and keyboard instead

compact oxide
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Honestly even with a XIM I still wouldn't play on console

icy sluice
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That ban was uhh... Communication Related, that guy probably said a no-no word and got banned for it

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@waxen mango

midnight nimbus
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XBL has gotten soft

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one week suspension for trash talk?

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oof

waxen mango
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Ah @icy sluice

icy sluice
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Probably wasn't even trash talk but maybe some kinda hate speech

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or death threats

waxen mango
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Yikes

midnight nimbus
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short of straight up doxxing, who cares

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lmao imagine getting cyberbullied

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literally just turn your screen off

glad knot
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cape hill operation for ottoman be like

icy sluice
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Someone reported him for that to work

glad knot
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we will not let him

icy sluice
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I report people who send me messages under unsporting behavior

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It doesn't do anything

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Besides affect some kind of score they have, it's just for fun really.

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Also, Xim and CronusMax allows you to use other controllers onto your platforms. Like some $10 shitty PC gamepad onto your Xbox, a PS4 Controller for your Xbox, a Guitar Hero controller or a wiimote... for your playstation... ya know

maiden parrot
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rip bf incursions discord

icy sluice
brazen flint
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tf is that

waxen mango
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How’s BF3?

icy sluice
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@brazen flint Steel Battalion Controller, you need this controller to play the game

south hornet
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I'm proceeding to download battlefield 4

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even after ground war

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because ground war sucks ass

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how could IW fuck that up

waxen mango
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Agreed

icy sluice
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More like Ass War high five sound effect

brazen flint
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damn

south hornet
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next game, call of duty

soft storm
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Someone already does

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Cough cough

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Big boss

south hornet
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i'd buy MW if there wasn't that one year exclusive survival mode shit

soft storm
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Trust me, survival isn’t good

south hornet
soft storm
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I’ve tried it out, it’s literally an afterthought

south hornet
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it's not that it's bad

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it's a part of the game

soft storm
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In fact, all of spec ops is broke

south hornet
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a game that i pay full price

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yet can't receive

soft storm
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The entirety of spec ops is broke IIRC

coarse oasis
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imagine making an entire multiplayer mode exclusive to one platform

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how much worse can it get

soft storm
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You literally can’t complete one of the missions

south hornet
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and as i said

soft storm
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And the others are just enormously busted

south hornet